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BOMBSHELL: Suzanne Morphew hubby caught searching dump for missing wife's bike helmet · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom goes
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Speaker 1: missing in Colorado, of all days, on Mother's Day? How
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Speaker 1: did that happen? Of course I'm talking about Suzanne Morphew
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Speaker 1: and in the last hours breaking news in the case.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories and I want
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Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us here at Fox
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Speaker 1: Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. Right now, her brother
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Speaker 1: Andrew Mormon seemingly taking the lead and searching for his
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Speaker 1: missing sister. Take a listen now to our friend Andy
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Speaker 1: Mormon speaking to doctor Phil. Do you believe that they
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Speaker 1: have found your sister? I think there's a good possibility.
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Speaker 1: And can you describe what the area is? Is this
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Speaker 1: a mine shaft? Is it a grave site? Is it
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Speaker 1: disturbed ground? Is it an air shaft? What kind of
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Speaker 1: area did they hit on? Well, one of them the
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Speaker 1: river front, another one is a tree planting, and the
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Speaker 1: third one is an addition being put in and the
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Speaker 1: entrance area with blocks. Are these areas that would lend
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Speaker 1: themselves to hiding body or body parts? Yes? Absolutely so
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Speaker 1: when those dogs hit What was the first thing that
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Speaker 1: went through your mind? Andy, I just said, damn, I
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Speaker 1: can't believe anybody would do this. Did you think it
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Speaker 1: was something else or did you think they found her?
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance that should find out
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Speaker 1: in the coming days. And I always knew nothing good
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Speaker 1: was going to come out of this film. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: sus Anne Morphew's brother Andrew speaking publicly about the search
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Speaker 1: for Susanne. As of right now, the indications are that
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Speaker 1: when the cadaver dogs hit at that location, that it
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Speaker 1: was not Susanne Morphew. How did the whole thing begin?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. I wanted to wish certain
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Speaker 1: other happy Mother's day. Got no answer. They called their father,
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Speaker 1: said dad, we can't get ahold of the mom. He tried,
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Speaker 1: and he asked the neighbor to go over and see
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Speaker 1: if she was home. So the neighbor goes over, opens
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Speaker 1: the garage, The cars are all home. She returns to
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Speaker 1: her phone, calls Barry. Cars are home. Barry says, what
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Speaker 1: about her bicycle? Lass a lot to go back over,
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Speaker 1: So she runs back over, looks no bicycle. The odd
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Speaker 1: thing to me was at midnight on Saturday night. I
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Speaker 1: want you to realize she was seeing in town with Barry,
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Speaker 1: getting the say how much at four four pm at midnight,
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Speaker 1: somebody friended all of the guys my age on her
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Speaker 1: Facebook at midnight at midnight. Yeah. My theory is she
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Speaker 1: was killed after four Her Facebook was manipulated at midnight.
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Speaker 1: She was hidden between midnight and four am. On another'sday morning,
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Speaker 1: you were hearing her brother, Susanne Morphy's brother, speaking to
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Speaker 1: our friend Phil. Long story short, We're learning so much
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Speaker 1: more about the timeline that Susanne Morphy was seen on
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Speaker 1: Saturday around four o'clock, and that somehow and I'm just
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Speaker 1: learning this her Facebook was used at midnight to friend
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys online with me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break you down to the author I've read
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Speaker 1: flags as. She's the host of Live with Doctor Wendy
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Speaker 1: k c b Q, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining
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Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. FOPS twenty one, Colorado Springs News reporter Laurence
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Speaker 1: Sharf on the case from the beginning. Two special guests
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Speaker 1: joining us. Mike King, forty years law enforcement. He is
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Speaker 1: the co host creator of Profiling Evil at Profiling Evil
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Speaker 1: dot com with me his co host Chris McDonough twenty
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Speaker 1: five years police officer Southern California, co host Profiling Evil
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Speaker 1: Profiling Evil dot com. They've been on the case from
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Speaker 1: the very beginning. But first to crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Ellen Kill Lauren, Ellen, what can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about what? Andrew Mormon, the brother just says to Phil.
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Speaker 1: You know I've been on day one. Ellen, You and
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Speaker 1: I locked torns and went round and round and round
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Speaker 1: because I kept saying, who keeps saying? She was on
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Speaker 1: her by? Did anybody ever see her? Honor by? Our
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Speaker 1: very first conversation, the banner was was she ever honor by?
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Speaker 1: Now I'm understanding it was Barry Morphew, the husband that
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Speaker 1: first said where's her by? Did I get that right? Ellen?
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Speaker 1: Yes she did. We learned more in the last week
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Speaker 1: or so about the timeline of Susanne Morphew's disappearance than
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Speaker 1: we have in the proceeding nearly five months. We know
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Speaker 1: now that she was seen at four pm the day
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Speaker 1: before she was reported missing with her husband, Barry Morphew.
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Speaker 1: By if we compare that to what we know about
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew's activity the next Sunday, Mother's day, the day
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Speaker 1: that she was reported missing. It seems that Barry Morphew
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Speaker 1: would have had to drive either a very late Saturday
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Speaker 1: night or very early Sunday morning to go to brew Build,
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Speaker 1: Colorado for a landscaping job. Landscape escaping job that, from
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Speaker 1: what we understand, was never completed. Okay, I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to take in everything you said. Ak. It's like me
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Speaker 1: drinking from a fire hydrant. It's so much at once.
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Speaker 1: But let me just go back what you were saying.
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Speaker 1: Everything you just said is valuable to me. So the
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Speaker 1: first person that ever said what about the bike? Was
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew. Is that right? Yes, that is what we understand.
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Speaker 1: When the neighbor went to Suzanne's home to check on
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Speaker 1: her because her daughters couldn't reach her, she first looked
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Speaker 1: into the garage to see if the cars were there.
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Speaker 1: The cars were there. Apparently, Barry then contacted her and said,
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Speaker 1: but what about the bike? It was him who suggested
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Speaker 1: that the neighbor look for the bike, which of course
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Speaker 1: the neighbor didn't find. And to you, Laurence Sharff joining
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Speaker 1: me if Fox to any one Colorado Springs NISI reporter
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Speaker 1: on the case from the gig go, Lauren, what is
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Speaker 1: this about her Facebook? She go, Susanne Mourphey apparently goes
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Speaker 1: on her Facebook at midnight that night after she spotted
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Speaker 1: that day at four. Now I think we're talking about
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Speaker 1: Saturday night and she starts friending all these guys. Who
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Speaker 1: is she friending? I mean, that's a good question, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I've spoken to Barry Moore few multiple times and he
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Speaker 1: has not once ever mentioned Facebook or any activities that
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Speaker 1: Suzanne had on Facebook. He did mention that, you know,
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Speaker 1: on Sundays, she would typically like to take bike ride
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Speaker 1: interesting joining me along with Lauren shar Farks twenty one
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Speaker 1: in Ellen Klauren crime online dot Com, Mike King, and
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonnough, just both of them, one as forty years
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement, one as twenty five in as a cop.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen is homicide first, You guys just jump in and
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Speaker 1: Lauren Ek that goes for you too, if you have
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Speaker 1: a fact that is relevant to what we're talking about
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Speaker 1: at that moment. Mike, what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: Susanne Moorephew reportedly going on at midnight? Now, listen, if
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Speaker 1: I catch my husband in a closet friending people at midnight.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, I'll h double al
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Speaker 1: going to break loose because we get up at five
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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and hit the ground running, and
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Speaker 1: I would that would just make me concern. What do
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Speaker 1: you know, Mike King? Yeah, that's really the really the
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Speaker 1: big questions that keep popping up in these red flags
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Speaker 1: that we keep talking about. Nancy. We go back and
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Speaker 1: we look at probabilities versus possibilities, and there are somebody
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Speaker 1: stinking possibilities in a deal like this, but we start
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Speaker 1: thinking about what is really probable and what is probable
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Speaker 1: based on Susanne's behavior. Me making a closing argument, what's
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Speaker 1: probable and what's possible. I mean, it's possible little green
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Speaker 1: Man flew down from ours and took or right, but
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Speaker 1: that's not probable. What is probable? What's the likely? What's
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Speaker 1: her Facebook activity? What's her routine? I mean, to get
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Speaker 1: on at midnight and start friending people? Who is she friending?
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna. Yeah, So when I hey, Nanshy, when I
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Speaker 1: talked to uh Andy, he told me directly that his
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Speaker 1: older brothers started his friends started kidding Facebook messages from Suzanne,
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Speaker 1: And I mean that was just like you've got to
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Speaker 1: be kidding it, and so yeah, to your point, I'm
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Speaker 1: tracking your honor percent. It just doesn't fit when you
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Speaker 1: say Facebook messages. So is this all these people are
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Speaker 1: getting messages from her for the first time the night
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Speaker 1: before she goes missing. Yeah, not messages, I'm sorry, but
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Speaker 1: friend And they were friended, you know, for the first time.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, they grew up to
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Speaker 1: each other, right, they knew it. They known each other
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Speaker 1: all their lives, and all of a sudden they're feel
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Speaker 1: bad night. She decides to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Everybody,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the disappearance of Suzanne more few and
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Speaker 1: we've just come upon, between Lauren Sharff, Ellen Colauren and
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Speaker 1: Mike King, Chris mcdonnald something very interesting. What about it,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Suddenly she's up friending people. She's not her
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Speaker 1: whole life. This is enormously suspicious. This is a huge,
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Speaker 1: bright red flag routine custom practice. What somebody normally does
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Speaker 1: with time, they normally go to bed. And everybody that's
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Speaker 1: talking about receiving requests from Susanne. No, they're receiving friend
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Speaker 1: requests from her accounts and therein lies the rub. If
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Speaker 1: she gets up like you do, Nancy, at five am,
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you she's not up friending people at midnight,
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Speaker 1: nor do we have any indication she uses Facebook a lot.
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Speaker 1: So this is this is something that is probably one
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Speaker 1: of the pieces of evidence that's going to be most
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Speaker 1: important in trying to figure out not only who else
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Speaker 1: might have access to her account, but whether or not
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Speaker 1: she is still alive, where she is, why she would
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Speaker 1: do this, and if she has backed up to Facebook
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Speaker 1: and it's really her, this probably is not the way
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Speaker 1: she would be spending her time at this time and again,
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Speaker 1: according to Chris mcdonnah and Mike King, who are the
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Speaker 1: co hosts of Profiles, an Awesome, awesome website and podcast. Right, guys,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you about this. Chris mcdonnah, Mike King,
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Speaker 1: I'm scared to you, Mike, I'm a lot of people. Well, actually,
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Speaker 1: it's just been very more for your husband has said
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Speaker 1: law enforcement has bungled the case from the beginning and
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Speaker 1: that he's their scapegoat. I'm sure that local police have
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Speaker 1: pulled up her Facebook account and looked at her activity
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Speaker 1: to determine this kind things she would do. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And I think the thing that was troubling us is
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Speaker 1: he immediately throws out four scenarios. He talks about the
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Speaker 1: bike ride and the crash on the bike. He then
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Speaker 1: brings up this wild story of a cougar attack, and
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Speaker 1: then he brings in the boogeyman, and then finally he
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Speaker 1: starts pointing at well, maybe it's someone that's known to her.
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Speaker 1: And so what we tried to do is go down
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Speaker 1: and to start looking at those individually and breaking them down.
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Speaker 1: And of course the first one and the easiest one
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Speaker 1: to go after was the mountain lions story. Well, isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that I do a lot of camping, a
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Speaker 1: lot of rving work in the national forest. It's my
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Speaker 1: understanding when there is an animal attack, there would be
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Speaker 1: evidence of that. There would be blood at the spot
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Speaker 1: of the attack. Most likely you would see drag marks.
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Speaker 1: I mean the cougar. Cougar I'm doing that with air
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Speaker 1: quotes would not put her body in their suv and
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Speaker 1: drive off with it. You would see drag marks, You
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Speaker 1: would see indications the body being dragged, and typically they
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Speaker 1: don't drag the body that far away. They eat it
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Speaker 1: and they will leave behind maybe bones, clothing that has
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Speaker 1: torn off the body. None of that existed absolutely, and
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Speaker 1: that was troubling to us. There was no crime, see
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Speaker 1: no attack, see no artifact on the ground to suggest
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Speaker 1: there was even a scuffle. Everything that we could see
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Speaker 1: from looking at other predaceous movements is that there are
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Speaker 1: drag marks like a small deer being drug. Even this
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Speaker 1: is a woman who's over one hundred pounds and dragging
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Speaker 1: her would not be an easy feat. And the fact
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Speaker 1: is that a cat is only going to carry its
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Speaker 1: prey maybe four hundred and fifty feet in a maximum,
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Speaker 1: and then it's going to come back. And it's gonna
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Speaker 1: kind of gruesome to say, but it's going to come
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Speaker 1: back and consume that for a number of days. That
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Speaker 1: just doesn't care, you know, to you, Chris mcdonna, twenty
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Speaker 1: five years COT thirteen is homicide at the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: More of you, who has declared his innocence, let's just
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Speaker 1: be firm about that, stated that an animal attacked her.
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Speaker 1: But cop said, at the get guy, this was no
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Speaker 1: animal attack. Do I have that part right? Yes? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm learning more from Andrew Mormon than I
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Speaker 1: am through throughout the entire process. Take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to our friend Alan Janette at CBS for Denver, the
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Speaker 1: hardest thing. She's a beloved member of her family and
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Speaker 1: the sweetest person that you've ever met. The nephew of
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Speaker 1: forty nine year old Suzanne More if you talking about
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Speaker 1: what it's like to go through the difficulty of a
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Speaker 1: search that started after she went missing during a Sunday
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Speaker 1: bike cry. Family has said her husband, Barry, was out
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Speaker 1: of town in Denver. A friend called authorities when more
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Speaker 1: of you didn't return. The bike was found on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: the day as she would missing. The sheriff has not
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Speaker 1: yet shared information on the bike, but has told CBS
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Speaker 1: for the reason for her disappearances probably not animals. Extensive
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Speaker 1: searching in Chiefe County, about twenty miles west of Salida,
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Speaker 1: has not brought an answer on what happened to More
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Speaker 1: a few you know to Laurence shar Fox twenty one NS.
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Speaker 1: You spoke with Barry Morphey. He says he was devastated
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Speaker 1: looking for his wife, putting together the pieces. He refused
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Speaker 1: to do an in person interview and did not want
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Speaker 1: your phone interview recorded. Moreph you suggested Suzanne may have
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Speaker 1: been attacked by an animal, a run in with an
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Speaker 1: unknown person or someone she knew. What tell me what
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Speaker 1: happened on that phone call? Yeah, Nancy, So I've spoken
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Speaker 1: to him multiple times. In the first time, he did
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Speaker 1: mention the attack on a mountain or a mountain lion attack.
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Speaker 1: But the second interview I did with him over the
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Speaker 1: phone where I shared his audio from that, he didn't
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Speaker 1: mention the mountain lion at all. He strictly talked about
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Speaker 1: what had happened that weekend in Broomfield and how his
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Speaker 1: employees were there trying to fix a retaining wall in
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Speaker 1: Broomfield and that's where he was coming back from. Okay,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, he said he was on his way
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Speaker 1: back when he got the call about Suzanne missing back
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Speaker 1: to Salida from Broomfield. Because I thought he was in
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Speaker 1: Broomfield when he got the call. Yes, he was there,
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Speaker 1: supposedly meeting with other people to work on the construction site,
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Speaker 1: and that's when he got the call. But you're telling
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Speaker 1: me he was already on his way back, Yes, before
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Speaker 1: having even met up with his co workers. Yes, the
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Speaker 1: co workers tell me they never saw Barry that weekend.
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Speaker 1: But what does he say. Yeah, he never mentioned that
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Speaker 1: he saw his co workers out all either no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: What I mean is he goes all the way out
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Speaker 1: of town, Mike King, he goes all the way out
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Speaker 1: of town for a job, I believe, on Saturday night.
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Speaker 1: Every indication we have is that he leaves Sunday morning
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Speaker 1: at five amlie spect the lasting that we have being reported.
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Speaker 1: And then there's there's question about it what time he
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Speaker 1: hears this. Even the most optimal and the most optimistic
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Speaker 1: time is that he gets the word at five pm.
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Speaker 1: But he still doesn't get home until nine o'clock if
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Speaker 1: we follow the Draper video, and that the statements that
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Speaker 1: Barry makes in the Draper video. So that's four hours
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Speaker 1: to make a two hour drive, which is also a
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Speaker 1: little bit odd. When did he have the coworkers show up?
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Speaker 1: About eleven? Okay, so by that point he had already left,
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Speaker 1: right Chris mcdonnough, Because what Lauren Trup is saying is
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Speaker 1: that he was already on his way back home when
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Speaker 1: he got the knees. That's what he told her. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And that's one of the interesting things Shirt Nancy is
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Speaker 1: his timeline has shown messed up, and it actually gets
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Speaker 1: even a little bit better because during the search process.
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Speaker 1: There was a clerk that I actually interviewed thanks to
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Speaker 1: Lauren in terms of she she had talked to her
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Speaker 1: first out of that supermarket, but I found a boy
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Speaker 1: who works there, him outside him. What was interesting about
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Speaker 1: the conversation here was he looks out there there's store
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Speaker 1: as clones right, it's in the in the early evening hours,
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Speaker 1: and one for short. He looks out he sees Barry
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Speaker 1: going through the trash outside and he's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: who's this guy? And he knocks on the door. The
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Speaker 1: door opens, and the first thing out of his mouth,
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Speaker 1: according to this witness, was Hey, I'm looking for a
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Speaker 1: baby blue bicycle helmet as machine a baby blue bicycle
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Speaker 1: helmet in the trash. And the clerk goes what and
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Speaker 1: then the manager steps says, can we help you? And
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Speaker 1: this is where the inform note is written about my
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Speaker 1: Susan's wearing the bike helmet and Shara no description of Susanne.
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Speaker 1: That was a huge, huge rent flag at Mike and I, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, put together along with Lauren early on during
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Speaker 1: this situation show that's new Information and White Crans the
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Speaker 1: first time we're told crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we're getting a flood of information
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Speaker 1: about the disappearance of Susanne Morphew. Her brother, not her husband,
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Speaker 1: seems to be leading the crusade to find her. With
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Speaker 1: Me an awesome panel including Ellen colaurin Crime Online, Lauren
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Speaker 1: Sharf Fox twenty one, Mike King, Chris McDonough from Profiling Evil,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, and doctor Angela Arnold. I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to what you were just telling me with me,
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonoh, Mike King, Mike King. Chris is saying that
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Speaker 1: somebody who looks out a window and sees more for you,
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Speaker 1: the husband digging through trash. When asked, Hey, what are
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Speaker 1: you doing? He says, have you seen a baby blue
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Speaker 1: bike helmet? Who spotted him? Where is this and when
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Speaker 1: is it? I didn't get that. Yeah, good, But it's
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Speaker 1: the little market right in town, and it is the employee,
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Speaker 1: a young man who's working there, who first notices this
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Speaker 1: and has the first conversation, and then the store manager
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Speaker 1: actually has a conversation, provides Barry with a piece of
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Speaker 1: paper to write the note that we now have a
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Speaker 1: copy of that says he's looking for the blue helmet,
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Speaker 1: the thing that was so odd is he's in the
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Speaker 1: garbage and the first thing out of his mouth is
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a blue helmet? Holy cowhere did that
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Speaker 1: come from? What day was there? It was Tuesday, the following,
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Speaker 1: a couple of days after Suzanne was reported missing on
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Speaker 1: that Sunday. Why would he be looking in a dump
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Speaker 1: for that if he thought that she had had a
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Speaker 1: crash or been taken by an animal? Why would he
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Speaker 1: be looking in the trash behind the little market for
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Speaker 1: a blue helmet? And another thing, Lawrence sharf Am, I
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Speaker 1: correct that he told you he did not want that
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Speaker 1: phone call recorded, and he did not want to do
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Speaker 1: an in person interview. Yes, that first call that was
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Speaker 1: lasted thirty minutes. Yeah, he did not want that audio
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Speaker 1: of shared. And then a couple weeks later he called
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Speaker 1: me back for an hour, and that's the audio that
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Speaker 1: I shared. You know, I just keep thinking about everything
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Speaker 1: you're telling me right now, and I'm projecting. I'm projecting
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Speaker 1: when I learned my fiance had been murdered, I remember
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Speaker 1: the moment exactly. I'll never forget it. Maybe I wish
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Speaker 1: I could forget it. No, no, no, I need to
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Speaker 1: know and I need to remember. But after all this time.
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Speaker 1: I remember it like it was yesterday, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: able to nail down Chris McDonald, Ellen, Colorina, if you know,
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Speaker 1: just jump in, Ellen, don't hang back. Did he learn
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Speaker 1: his wife was missing at the hotel where he had
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Speaker 1: left Sunday morning from home, presumably leaving her alive and well,
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Speaker 1: he drives about three hours away for a job. Did
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Speaker 1: he learn there or was he already in or out
22:34
Speaker 1: back home? Because why do you bring a whole crew
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Speaker 1: of people to come do a construction site, build a
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Speaker 1: retainer wall, and then you don't stay to meet them.
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Speaker 1: I thought the whole point was he was going to
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Speaker 1: scope the site on Mother's Day and was going to
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Speaker 1: meet up with them. When did he learn Chris mcdonnah,
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Speaker 1: what is he saying about when he learned Suzanne's missing.
23:00
Speaker 1: There's a couple of different typees or different time frames Nancy.
23:04
Speaker 1: And one of them is around five o'clock PM Sunday.
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Speaker 1: The other is a possibility of mid afternoon Sunday. And
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Speaker 1: both of these one is from Barry himself, the five pm,
23:19
Speaker 1: and the others from employees. Because when they got up
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Speaker 1: there on Sunday, it was kind of a rushed thing.
23:26
Speaker 1: It was a situation where you know, he basically calls
23:29
Speaker 1: them and says, you know, calls one particular witness and says, well,
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Speaker 1: we've got to get up there. We've got this job.
23:35
Speaker 1: We've got to pick this wall, et cetera. Meat you
23:37
Speaker 1: up there, well, that other that other employee, and I'll
23:41
Speaker 1: let Lauren speak of this. That employee basically shays that
23:47
Speaker 1: around four am. And not to confuse the issue, but
23:50
Speaker 1: around four a Sunday morning, she believes she hears very
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Speaker 1: struck outside of her apartment, and so she gets in
24:01
Speaker 1: gold panic, like, we gotta get calling. And by that time,
24:06
Speaker 1: you know, he's on and then the phone calls comes
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Speaker 1: into this person who says, hey, get the crew together,
24:12
Speaker 1: I'll meet she up there. And by that time they're
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Speaker 1: on the road around eleven a Sunday, And so by
24:19
Speaker 1: that shows between eleven okay, this is getting very convoluted. Yeah,
24:26
Speaker 1: and that's not your fault, Chris mcdonnough is because the
24:29
Speaker 1: nature of the way we're learning the facts, we're getting
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Speaker 1: different stories. A k Ellen k Lauren Crime Online. When
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Speaker 1: do we think Morphew says he learned his wife was missing.
24:39
Speaker 1: He told me that he left around five o'clock when
24:43
Speaker 1: he learned that, you know, he had a family emergency.
24:46
Speaker 1: He called his crew around six or you're gonna have
24:50
Speaker 1: to figure it out on their own, and that all
24:53
Speaker 1: they knew was that it was a family emergency. Baby
24:55
Speaker 1: held on talking, Lauren. Okay, tell me again, did you
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Speaker 1: say fall? He learned at five pm PM Sunday and
25:04
Speaker 1: she was reported missing at least from the you know,
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Speaker 1: communication center in Chase County was at five forty six pm. Okay,
25:13
Speaker 1: wait a minute question, do you, Lauren Sharff, What time
25:16
Speaker 1: did they I'm calling them co workers. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that they actually worked together, that they were summoned by
25:21
Speaker 1: him to come to this, to the Sainted to build
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Speaker 1: a retainer ball. What time did they get there and
25:26
Speaker 1: he was already gone, Lauren. They didn't even leave Salida
25:30
Speaker 1: until six thirty, so they didn't even be each other
25:34
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, and they were leaving, they got a
25:37
Speaker 1: call saying he wasn't going to be there because of
25:39
Speaker 1: a family emergency, but to go ahead and start the
25:42
Speaker 1: project on Monday morning. Take a listen to Suzanne's brother
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Speaker 1: Andrew Mormon speaking to our friend doctor Phil the EVI
25:52
Speaker 1: information and instructed in the lineup, Phil he said, he's
25:55
Speaker 1: all or at five am and he did not. And
25:58
Speaker 1: how do you know that Tessa money from an employee
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Speaker 1: that he was rambling down the road texting people at
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Speaker 1: four in the morning trying to get him to go
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Speaker 1: to Broomfield and so can't be at home at five
26:09
Speaker 1: and talking to somebody on the road at four, right,
26:13
Speaker 1: that is so that the timeline doesn't add up at all,
26:16
Speaker 1: not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory who's now
26:20
Speaker 1: twenty two and Macy who's sixteen. Would she go off
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Speaker 1: writing by herself or would she be in contact with them?
26:27
Speaker 1: Would she go off the radar for seven days and
26:31
Speaker 1: have no social media presence, no presence electronically for that
26:37
Speaker 1: period of time with her daughters? Now? Absolutely? Ah, So
26:41
Speaker 1: what we're learning from Suzanne's mother, he says, the e
26:46
Speaker 1: V I. I guess that's the navigation on Morphey's truck
26:49
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. What are we talking about, Ellen klaurin Crime Online?
26:55
Speaker 1: That's all he said. But what it seems to be
26:59
Speaker 1: is that the whatever data tracking device was on Morphew's truck,
27:04
Speaker 1: Barry Morphy's truck does not line up with where he
27:07
Speaker 1: told police he was at any at a given time
27:11
Speaker 1: of that weekend. Now police have never once commented on
27:17
Speaker 1: his alibi or confirmed it. So I think that part
27:21
Speaker 1: of the reason why there's so much confusion about this
27:24
Speaker 1: timeline is that a big, big part of this timeline
27:28
Speaker 1: so far has come from Barry, who may be contradicting himself.
27:32
Speaker 1: There's a lot of confusion. I don't think that anyone.
27:35
Speaker 1: I certainly can't say with any certainty where I think
27:38
Speaker 1: Barry Morphy was at, you know, every hour of the
27:41
Speaker 1: Sunday that Susanne Morphey went missing. So I would really
27:46
Speaker 1: like to know what he told police and how much
27:49
Speaker 1: does what the data shows deviate from what he told police.
27:54
Speaker 1: To doctor Angel Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta,
27:57
Speaker 1: dr Angie, I can tell you're right now where I
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Speaker 1: was and where my husband was, where my children were
28:04
Speaker 1: this past Sunday and the Sunday before that. I may
28:07
Speaker 1: have to look at the calendar and figure every where
28:08
Speaker 1: we were the Sunday before that, but I know, how
28:12
Speaker 1: can there be that much confusion surrounding the space of
28:16
Speaker 1: ten hours. Well, Nancy, it sounds to me that you
28:20
Speaker 1: know when people are trying to hide something, and when
28:23
Speaker 1: they may not being be being truthful about something, they
28:27
Speaker 1: have to keep rearranging their story and then they forget
28:30
Speaker 1: what they say. And with all of the experts that
28:34
Speaker 1: you have on your panel today, and this is so
28:36
Speaker 1: hard for everybody to put together. I think it's so
28:39
Speaker 1: hard for everyone to put together because there's so many
28:42
Speaker 1: lives that are interwoven in. Thus, let me remind everybody
28:46
Speaker 1: that's Susanne Morphey's husband, Barry Morphew insists he is innocent,
28:50
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Susanne's disappearance. Crime Stories With
29:01
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about the disappearance of the
29:04
Speaker 1: gorgeous young mom, Suzanne Morphew. Now I also understand that
29:09
Speaker 1: in the last hours we are learning their family home
29:13
Speaker 1: has been put up for sale at about for about
29:17
Speaker 1: one point seven five nine million dollars. You know, to you,
29:23
Speaker 1: Mike King, I mean, I still have my fiance's pictures, baseball,
29:29
Speaker 1: glove is, baseballs letters to me, have all that that
29:34
Speaker 1: I see every day. It would be hard until I
29:39
Speaker 1: knew the answer as to her disappearance, that I would
29:42
Speaker 1: sell the home. Maybe there's some kind of financial problem
29:45
Speaker 1: that I don't know about but if she could come home,
29:48
Speaker 1: I would want the home to be there until this
29:51
Speaker 1: case is resolved. You know what, that's a personal opinion.
29:55
Speaker 1: And I know we're going round and round about the timeline, Mike,
29:59
Speaker 1: but that's the way investigations are. If you sat me
30:02
Speaker 1: down with my investigator working on a case, these are
30:06
Speaker 1: exactly the way we would be talking about, well, what
30:08
Speaker 1: is this and what is that? But didn't he say this?
30:10
Speaker 1: And didn't they say that? So, Mike, what times do
30:16
Speaker 1: we believe? More? Few claims he learned his wife was missing,
30:20
Speaker 1: Mike King, You know, I just have to go back
30:24
Speaker 1: to the one solid piece is his testimony to Lauren Sharf,
30:29
Speaker 1: where he says I left the home at five am
30:32
Speaker 1: and she was sleeping. So even with that, then we
30:36
Speaker 1: have to look at other evidence that has popped up
30:39
Speaker 1: that we haven't been able to corroborate. We were, like you,
30:41
Speaker 1: we have to live on what social media is sharing.
30:44
Speaker 1: But suggestions that she was abruptly ending conversation the day
30:49
Speaker 1: before on Facebook and then odd behavior later into the
30:53
Speaker 1: evening on Facebook that was completely out of character, so
30:56
Speaker 1: we can start to establish what seems like a more
30:59
Speaker 1: credible timeline, and then of course the idea of when
31:03
Speaker 1: did the email messages or the text messages start on
31:06
Speaker 1: Mother's Day wishing her well to kind of establish communication baseline,
31:12
Speaker 1: and then sending the neighbor over once and then twice
31:16
Speaker 1: and in the response to return home, and then again
31:19
Speaker 1: the time to get home, Nancy. I want to tell
31:23
Speaker 1: you something. Barry did admit one inconsistency to me about
31:27
Speaker 1: his timeline that he provided to investigators. But it was
31:31
Speaker 1: about it was he told me it was a mechanical
31:33
Speaker 1: thing to his Bobcat. That's the one thing that he
31:36
Speaker 1: said that he mistakenly had confused. And you know, he said,
31:43
Speaker 1: you know, I just found out my wife was missing,
31:45
Speaker 1: and I didn't have that timeline right. As far as
31:49
Speaker 1: what was wrong mechanically with his Bobcats, he wouldn't tell me.
31:53
Speaker 1: So what would a bobcat have to do with the timeline?
31:55
Speaker 1: He the one of the employees told me that he
31:59
Speaker 1: was supposed to bring that to Broomfield for that job site,
32:03
Speaker 1: but they never had it. When they got there, it
32:06
Speaker 1: was it was not there. And from what I'm understanding
32:09
Speaker 1: the brother is saying, Chris mcdonnough, is that the co
32:15
Speaker 1: workers as I'm calling them, said, they're getting texts at
32:19
Speaker 1: four a m. For barrymore few saying he is on
32:23
Speaker 1: the road heading to Broomfield and he's trying to get
32:27
Speaker 1: a team gathered to go build a retainer wall. That's
32:32
Speaker 1: contrary to him telling Lauren Sharf he left his wife
32:36
Speaker 1: at five am, alive and well asleep, soundly asleep. The
32:40
Speaker 1: co workers are saying he was texting from the road
32:43
Speaker 1: to Broomfield at four am. Chris, Yeah, no, that's a
32:48
Speaker 1: good point, man, And I think this organic goes towards
32:51
Speaker 1: that confusion where you know, he's trying to cross over
32:56
Speaker 1: in dovetail into everything. But what we have from Barry himself,
33:02
Speaker 1: like Mike said, was at zero five hundred, uh, you know,
33:07
Speaker 1: in the morning he leaves Susanne in bed. We have
33:10
Speaker 1: from one of the workers that was important to Warren
33:14
Speaker 1: that she believes she hears his trunk outside of her apartment.
33:18
Speaker 1: She says, I know it's Barry's trunk. I don't look out,
33:21
Speaker 1: but I know it's his. So that's kind of, you know,
33:24
Speaker 1: a little speculation or relationship to you know, her testimony.
33:29
Speaker 1: But so that's kind of nailed. Doubt the timeline and
33:33
Speaker 1: and you believe that it went a little bit further.
33:37
Speaker 1: I don't have that information as to how you know
33:40
Speaker 1: he came up with four am texting, but we do
33:43
Speaker 1: know there was. We're getting that from one of the
33:45
Speaker 1: co workers. They're the ones saying Morphy's texting them four am,
33:49
Speaker 1: calling them trying to get a team together to go
33:52
Speaker 1: bill a retainer. Well that's they're saying that. And certainly
33:56
Speaker 1: local police can look at their cell phones and get
34:00
Speaker 1: their cell phone records and find that out. Did they
34:03
Speaker 1: have an income and call at four am, which would
34:06
Speaker 1: be lie the statement he was still at home at
34:08
Speaker 1: five am. But you know, you just mentioned so many
34:14
Speaker 1: things that are unusual to me. Let's take a listen
34:18
Speaker 1: now to Andy Mormon speaking to doctor Phillistar, cut thirty four.
34:22
Speaker 1: What do you think happened to her? And why? I
34:25
Speaker 1: mean just say this, she's hidden too well, Phil, her
34:29
Speaker 1: bicycle has planted there. She was never on it. I
34:32
Speaker 1: think she was abducted and in this case murdered. Abducted,
34:36
Speaker 1: taken to a second location, and then ultimately murdered. Yeah.
34:42
Speaker 1: I don't think she was taken to a second location.
34:44
Speaker 1: I think it happened at home. So you think she
34:46
Speaker 1: was murdered and then the body was taken to a
34:49
Speaker 1: second location. Correct, And you think her husband is the
34:53
Speaker 1: one that did this well, based on behaviors and things
34:59
Speaker 1: that have happened. Yeah, I do, actually, and I praised
35:02
Speaker 1: on you certainly hope it's not. And I understand that
35:06
Speaker 1: you can't say that it is. But you've just been
35:09
Speaker 1: suspicious of that for quite some time, correct, I have
35:13
Speaker 1: no Let me understand something. Mike King, forty years law enforcement,
35:18
Speaker 1: profiling evil dot com along with Chris McDonough profiling evil
35:22
Speaker 1: dot com. If someone got on national TV and said
35:28
Speaker 1: I committed a crime, I would sue them immediately, immediately.
35:36
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, unless it was true, then I
35:39
Speaker 1: would hide. Okay. So has there been any fallout from
35:43
Speaker 1: the brother going on Doctor Phiel for Pete's sake and
35:46
Speaker 1: saying he thinks his brother in law committed murder. Has
35:49
Speaker 1: there been a lawsuit or any cease and desist letters
35:53
Speaker 1: that we know of? I don't know of anything, Nancy,
35:58
Speaker 1: I mean, Andy would have to ask answer that. Okay,
36:01
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question about Chris mcdonnod just said,
36:04
Speaker 1: Mike King that the female coworker said she recognized Barry
36:12
Speaker 1: morphused truck. Now, but my husband comes in the door.
36:17
Speaker 1: I know it's him. He opens the door, close it.
36:20
Speaker 1: Then there's a really long pause. I don't know what
36:25
Speaker 1: he's doing in the launder room, not the laundry. But
36:29
Speaker 1: then I hear a certain yate coming down the hall.
36:32
Speaker 1: I know that's David. Okay, different if it's John David.
36:36
Speaker 1: The door slams. The next thing, you know, running with Lucy,
36:39
Speaker 1: you don't hear anything. She's like a ghost. You don't
36:42
Speaker 1: even hear the door. Suddenly she's just there. Okay, So
36:46
Speaker 1: how does the coworker know the sound a Barry morphused truck.
36:53
Speaker 1: I'm curious is this the same female coworker that has
36:56
Speaker 1: taken to the media. I said, we're not having an affair.
37:01
Speaker 1: You know, that's really interesting, and I think about you
37:03
Speaker 1: as a prosecutor and the other prosecutor on the show
37:07
Speaker 1: with us today. There are cases where we use that
37:10
Speaker 1: kind of evidence as parts of that circumstantial evidence to
37:13
Speaker 1: prove a point. Sometimes it smells, sometimes it sounds. In
37:17
Speaker 1: this case, the individual indicated that it was a very
37:20
Speaker 1: specific sound that this vehicle has. She's been in the
37:24
Speaker 1: vehicle many times. She understands the sounds. When she heard it,
37:27
Speaker 1: there was no question in her mind. And so you
37:30
Speaker 1: got a penel weigh it pretty help. Or maybe it's
37:32
Speaker 1: because hello, she works with him. They have a construction
37:35
Speaker 1: company going and she's in that truck all the time.
37:40
Speaker 1: It reminds me, I'm sure none of you remember the
37:42
Speaker 1: Aristocrats where where one of the investigator dogs can hold
37:48
Speaker 1: his ear up and he can tell what kind of car,
37:51
Speaker 1: what model would make, and it is flat low air
37:55
Speaker 1: in one tire. I mean, when you hear something so
37:57
Speaker 1: many times, you recognize it. I want to remind everyone
38:01
Speaker 1: this is a search for the truth, not relroading anybody.
38:06
Speaker 1: Morphew says he's innocent. That's what he says. And he
38:12
Speaker 1: has not been named with suspect, and he has not
38:14
Speaker 1: been arrested. So what happened to Suzanne Morphew? Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye for him