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A Smarter Approach to Treating Cancer with Rusty Roberts · Hormone Heroes with Dr. Kelly Hopkins

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SPEAKER_01: The immune system is more powerful than we could imagine and can absolutely fight cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: The problem that most of us have is that uh cancer can cause immunosuppression.
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SPEAKER_01: So if we can revitalize these things, the immune system can be absolutely an incredible ally and kill cancer on our behalf.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Hormone Heroes, where I share testimonials from real people who have experienced bioidentical hormone therapy.
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SPEAKER_02: Men and women share the symptoms they have experienced and the difference proper hormone replacement has made.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Kelly Hopkins, and I have been in the functional medicine space for over 30 years, with a focus on hormones for 20 years.
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SPEAKER_02: Please keep in mind this podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only.
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SPEAKER_02: Please consult with your physician or practitioner for medical advice.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's get started with today's guest.
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SPEAKER_02: To have Rusty Roberts with us.
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SPEAKER_02: He is a cancer patient advocate and a former founder of an integrative oncology clinic.
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SPEAKER_02: And he has spent more than a decade helping cancer patients and their families navigate complex treatment decisions.
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SPEAKER_02: I think, Rusty, the service you're providing people when they're frightened, they've gotten a diagnosis that's so scary.
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SPEAKER_02: You help them and their family make the right decisions.
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SPEAKER_02: So welcome, Rusty.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me on, Doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And you are located out in the Phoenix area?
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SPEAKER_02: I am.
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SPEAKER_01: It's good and hot.
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SPEAKER_01: Good and hot.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Good and hot.
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SPEAKER_02: What's your hide?
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SPEAKER_02: What's your high today?
1:33
SPEAKER_01: I think it's about it's cooler.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's only going to be about 107 today, but uh it can get 116, 117, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's uh it can get really warm out here.
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SPEAKER_02: And like they say, at least it's a dry heat, like that matters, right?
1:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, we're in the monsoon, so lots of rain and the humidity goes up.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's the that's December's for us, though.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: I know your mom had lymphoma.
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SPEAKER_02: Tell us how you got into this line of work and just give us your background.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: It all started with an absolutely incredible and frightening journey that my mom went on in early 2007.
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SPEAKER_01: She's about 58 years old, totally healthy, normal looking, uh, but had a few kind of strange symptoms throughout that year leading up to it.
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SPEAKER_01: But then she had a bump here come up.
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SPEAKER_01: They biopsy that found cancer right away, sent her over to an oncologist.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, he diagnosed her as late stage four, 12 weeks to live.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is she looks totally normal.
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SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden, you got three months or less to live, unless she took aggressive chemotherapy.
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SPEAKER_01: She opted to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: It did not go well, doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: It didn't go well at all.
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SPEAKER_01: On her very first diffusion, half her hair fell out, uh, blisters on her on her head, her mouth and throat, and she was just miserable.
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SPEAKER_01: But the next week they connected her to another uh bag of chop retuxin, and it stopped her heart in the infusion chair right there.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, praise God, they were able to uh resuscitate her, they flushed her out and just said that there wasn't any options that medical science could provide for her.
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SPEAKER_01: Go ahead and prepare to pass on.
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SPEAKER_01: The next two weeks were absolutely grueling as she lay in bed rapidly fading away.
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SPEAKER_01: I watched her age 58 to probably looking above age 90 in just 14 days.
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SPEAKER_01: It was it and she actually made the room smell like dead flesh.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I didn't understand how that could be, but that's what the room smelt like.
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SPEAKER_01: And my dad didn't give up on her.
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SPEAKER_01: He was desperate to find a solution.
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SPEAKER_01: He did find a referral in a book, and he called that uh clinic up that gave him hope.
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SPEAKER_01: He loaded her in the car basically on the spot, took her down there.
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SPEAKER_01: He knew she didn't have much time.
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SPEAKER_01: Two weeks at this clinic, doctor, two weeks.
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SPEAKER_01: She's wielded in a host uh in a wheelchair, two weeks to walk, walks out on her own, two weeks later, has a PET scan, all the tumors are gone.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: She goes on to live another 12 years.
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SPEAKER_01: It's everywhere it's everyone's dream come true, right?
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SPEAKER_01: How does this happen?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The doctor, we asked him, How'd you do that?
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SPEAKER_01: He he didn't know, he couldn't tell us.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh but he certainly he took credit for it.
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SPEAKER_01: Her oncologist here uh that she went to, or conventional oncologist, he said he would have just thought she was misdiagnosed, but he had seen all of her pathology and and knew he just chalked it up as a miracle.
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SPEAKER_01: It took some time to find a doctor who said, I know exactly what happened to her.
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SPEAKER_01: And of course, I was all ears.
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SPEAKER_01: He said, Yes, she did receive a miracle, but it was rooted in science.
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SPEAKER_01: And there was clues all along the way, and and it's just a rare thing that most doctors are not going to pick up on.
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SPEAKER_01: The first clue was uh that her hair head blistered, her mouth and throat blistered.
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SPEAKER_01: These blisters show that the immune system, she's had allergic reaction.
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SPEAKER_01: The allergic reaction is called bullus drug reaction.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's very rare and it's extremely serious.
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SPEAKER_01: What it does is it can ignite the the immune system, kick it into hyperdrive.
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SPEAKER_01: I just called it berserk mode, and it just started annihilating your cancer so rapidly in the two weeks following uh that the cancer dying was the smell of dead flesh.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what that was.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: And the reason she aged so quickly is that she was the cancer's dying so quickly, she's overloaded with toxins.
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SPEAKER_01: She's basically dying of toxic syndrome.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: She gets down to the clinic.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, they didn't need to kill any cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: By the time she got there, it was probably all the cancer was probably already dead.
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SPEAKER_01: 22 tumors just gone.
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SPEAKER_01: 22 tumors.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so they stop the runaway immune response uh by you know, the typical therapies they give any cancer patient, stops that runaway immune response, flushes out her all of the toxins, they build her system up, vitamins, minerals, uh, amino acids, and she springs back to life.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: And goes on to live an extra 12 years.
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SPEAKER_01: What a blessing.
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SPEAKER_01: So she left behind that miracle of how that happened, left behind a great lesson.
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SPEAKER_01: The immune system is more powerful than we could imagine and can absolutely fight cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: The problem that most of us have is that uh cancer can cause immunosuppression.
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SPEAKER_01: So if we can revitalize these things, the immune system can be absolutely an incredible ally and kill cancer on her behalf.
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SPEAKER_01: What a great legacy that she left behind.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And you know, all of us have cancer cells roaming around, but hopefully our immune systems are strong enough to to fight it off, and that's a great story.
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SPEAKER_02: So you got to have your mom twelve years more.
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SPEAKER_01: Twelve more years.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, twelve more years.
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SPEAKER_01: And her uh her story uh gave people hope uh in a way uh to to seek out new options.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh and we still do that today.
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SPEAKER_01: We still do that because there are other options, and when a person is we just simply, Doctor, we don't know what we don't know, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And when we don't know it, we can't take advantage of it, and it does it's not there to give us hope.
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SPEAKER_01: Her conventional oncologist, I don't I don't think he didn't lie to her by saying there was nothing else that could be done.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just nothing else that he knew could be done.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: He was using what was in his toolbox.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's out out of tools, right?
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SPEAKER_01: He's out of out of tools.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So for her, she she found inadvertently, she found a very powerful, she stumbled into it, a very powerful form of immunotherapy, and doctors are using that safely today in revitalizing and helping our immune systems recognize and fight cancer today.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's quite incredible.
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SPEAKER_02: So your mother did two rounds of chemo, just two.
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SPEAKER_01: It didn't, it wasn't even fully two.
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SPEAKER_01: One in a portion.
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SPEAKER_01: One in a portion.
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SPEAKER_01: The sequence of that, Doctor, was that the chemo did not kill a cancer.
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SPEAKER_01: There was never enough for it to do it.
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SPEAKER_01: But what it did was it ignited an allergic reaction.
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SPEAKER_01: The allergic reaction sends her immune system into hyperdrive.
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SPEAKER_01: The immune system kills the cancer so rapidly she's dying from toxic syndrome.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the uh natural therapies come in, stop that.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was a it was definitely threading the needle at a hundred yards, no doubt.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: And that was the miracle.
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SPEAKER_01: She didn't have much time.
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SPEAKER_01: And many people that actually do get this bullets drug reaction pass away from the body attacking itself.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: So for her, you know, praise God, she was able to stop that runaway immune response in a short period of time.
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SPEAKER_01: And it just a sequence of events saved her life.
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SPEAKER_01: It was absolutely incredible.
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SPEAKER_02: So, based on your mother's story, that has inspired you to number one have your own clinic for a while and then to start Brio Medical.
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SPEAKER_02: It's Brio B R I O Medical.com.
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unknown: Correct.
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SPEAKER_02: And you guys are cancer patient advocates.
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SPEAKER_02: Tell us a little bit about what you do at Brio.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: There's not a lot of doctors that have dedicated themselves to go up and beyond to learn integrative oncology methods.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a short list.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh with that being the case, I had a parting of a ways uh with a medical director, and I didn't want to compromise people's care by just having anyone there.
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SPEAKER_01: So I opted to go ahead and and go ahead and close the clinic, and it was a painful experience to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: But uh during the 13 years that I've been doing this, I certainly knew which doctors I would trust with my own life or our family's life.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I simply um help people match up what uh that you know their cancer type to a to a type of a pathway that's available to them.
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SPEAKER_01: And then if appropriate, I'll make a uh introduction to a doctor that I would trust uh with my own care that if I was in their shoes.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's uh it's a great place to be.
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SPEAKER_01: And Breom Medical uh is still a valuable resource today.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's got so much great information over there to help people with and finding those pathways.
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SPEAKER_01: And I don't make it hard to connect with me and uh and have a conversation with people.
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SPEAKER_01: It's pretty simple.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so tell us your best candidate for someone that you would be able to help.
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SPEAKER_02: Who would be someone that should really seek out Rusty Roberts?
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SPEAKER_01: First of all, you gotta have hope.
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SPEAKER_01: If if you have hope in you, that's the foundational.
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SPEAKER_01: You want more time, that's the first thing you need.
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SPEAKER_01: If you want uh to fight and you want a new option and you have that in you, that that is a a character trait that we find all the way across the board.
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SPEAKER_01: Everyone has that, that uh that seeks these out.
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SPEAKER_01: Secondly, if a person is uh still able to eat, uh use the restroom on their own, they're functioning pretty independently, because a lot of these uh clinics that do this are outpatient.
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SPEAKER_01: Not all of them.
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SPEAKER_01: So we need to know what kind of physical condition the person's in.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to know the cancer type.
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SPEAKER_01: The cancer type, whether it's blood cancer or solid tumors, is extremely important because the options on natural options or holistic options are different uh depending on what type of cancer they have.
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SPEAKER_01: Predominantly the cancer types that we see would be breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate, uh there's pancreatic cancer that we see.
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SPEAKER_01: And they can be even stage four, and there's still there's still success.
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SPEAKER_01: There's still success there.
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SPEAKER_01: And it it uh if a person has been given little to no options or they're not seeing success with conventional therapy, hey, there is hope here.
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SPEAKER_01: There is.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It does depend on the cancer type on on the level of success.
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SPEAKER_01: It can it can vary, but we are seeing success across the board.
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh give us an idea of types of treatment someone could expect.
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SPEAKER_01: A great a great question.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so if let's say we have a breast cancer patient, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's predominantly it's happening a lot, unfortunately.
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SPEAKER_01: There's two pathways that they could choose.
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SPEAKER_01: One would be a holistic form of chemotherapy, right?
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SPEAKER_01: How this is done is instead of just giving someone this huge bag maximum to tolerate, right?
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SPEAKER_01: They can't take any more uh chemo, and that's typically what we see in conventional, but what they do instead is they will give the patient an infusion of insulin first.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is extremely important.
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SPEAKER_01: It's called insulin papitiation therapy.
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SPEAKER_01: And the reason to give a cancer patient insulin is to drive the blood sugar level uh down uh that's available in the bloodstream.
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SPEAKER_01: The purpose of that is cancer is hungry for sugar, so it will naturally lower its defenses to go out and scavage for trace amounts of uh glucose in the blood.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Right moment the doctor will infuse a uh glucose-based um uh chemotherapy agent.
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SPEAKER_01: It's typically maybe 10, 15, 20 percent of a full dose, and cancer has a tendency to really gobble that up.
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SPEAKER_01: It is fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we're seeing success with that when typically maybe a full dose, just full dose chemo couldn't get in, low percentages got into the cancer cell, and then there was high toxicity to um healthy cells versus with insulin being infused first.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, we're getting a lot more chemo directly into the tumor and seeing success that way.
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SPEAKER_01: So that is the first pathway that we see uh is working, and that's called insulin propitiation therapy.
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SPEAKER_01: You can learn more about it on our website.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a great resource.
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SPEAKER_01: The other method that we're seeing great uh uh success with in solid tumors and in blood cancers is the pathway that my mom accidentally stumbled into, and that is immunotherapy.
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SPEAKER_01: That's where they're actually extracting immune cells from our bodies uh through blood draws, uh cultivating those cells, enhancing their cancer killing um capability, overcoming what they're doing is overcoming immunosuppression.
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SPEAKER_01: And then they re-insert those back, reinfuse those back into the body.
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SPEAKER_01: And they're seeing they're seeing just wonderful uh success, especially combining in certain areas, we can actually combine uh insulin propitiation therapy with immunotherapy, and we're seeing fantastic results that way.
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SPEAKER_01: And these are really high quality of life.
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SPEAKER_01: They're low toxics on the body, there's low toxic burdens on the body.
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SPEAKER_01: People are having success these ways, and they're not and they're seeing a they're thriving through those therapies, and they're having a much higher quality of life.
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SPEAKER_01: These are fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, there's one third option, which is just using all of just natural holistic methods.
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SPEAKER_01: Like typically we'll see uh patients doing high dose vitamin C.
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SPEAKER_01: They can be using repurposed medications like ivermectin, uh, men vendazole, uh, armenosin.
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SPEAKER_01: These are all IVs that uh doctors can give them that can enhance chemotherapy and radiation.
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SPEAKER_01: They protect healthy cells, and they even fight cancer naturally on their own.
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SPEAKER_01: So those can be coupled together with a conventional oncology.
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SPEAKER_01: If a person wants to stay with their conventional method, they can bring in a support package.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's really helps a person thrive through those.
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SPEAKER_01: So those are the three pathways that we're seeing people have success today.
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SPEAKER_01: People need to be their own advocate, doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: They really, really do.
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SPEAKER_01: If we just go along with, okay, uh, and I'm not against conventional ecology, I see wonderful things there.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: But if a person's struggling to to thrive or see success and their cancer has beg continued to progress, you need to be your own advocate and look into these, and that's where Brio-medical uh dot com is a great resource.
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SPEAKER_01: Conversations I have with people can help zoom them through a process pretty quickly.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So and I just wanted to revisit, you mentioned high-dose vitamin C IVs, uh ivermectin, and then what was the third one?
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SPEAKER_02: Arminicin?
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SPEAKER_01: Arminicin, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It it's a uh comes from uh wormwood, and uh you people are getting IVs of those and they have anti-cancer properties.
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SPEAKER_01: So quercetin, uh curcumin, all of these things are ways that we can fight cancer from different perspectives.
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SPEAKER_01: They need to be timed right, dosed right.
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SPEAKER_01: They're it's very personal to the person.
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SPEAKER_01: They they need to be sequenced uh with other therapies to enhance each other.
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SPEAKER_01: They're kind of certain uh therapies are grouped together.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh so those need to be done by a skillful doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: It's more difficult to fight a cancer, especially when it's late stage stage four or it becomes more difficult.
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SPEAKER_01: And we need to use predominantly those are done through IVs so you can get much higher levels of dosages into a patient.
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SPEAKER_01: For instance, vitamin C.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: If we just keep taking vitamin C, now we're talking about doses in one bag of 50,000, 75,000, 100,000 milligrams in one setting.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: It's impossible to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Excuse me.
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SPEAKER_01: It's impossible to do that orally.
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SPEAKER_01: The body will downregulate what it allows in the system.
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SPEAKER_01: And the person, as they get more, uh try to get more and more vitamin C in them, the body will just stop re uh absorbing it, and the person hits a diarrhea threshold and it's not a very comfortable experience.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So to bypass that, then we look at we we do it through an IV, and we can get those therapeutic levels of vitamin C that actually have anti-cancer properties, enhance chemo, enhance radiation therapy, and protect those healthy cells.
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SPEAKER_01: It becomes a a a staple when we get into high, high doses, 50,000 and up.
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SPEAKER_01: 50,000.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: 50,000 milligrams.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: That's correct.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And and you need a skillful doctor to do that, somebody who understands how to do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure, yeah.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: Tell us about what's EBOO therapy.
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SPEAKER_01: EBU.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: Eboo.
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SPEAKER_01: EBU.
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SPEAKER_01: EBU is a wonderful therapy to where they extract a portion uh of blood from a patient.
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SPEAKER_01: They run that through of some incredible filtration.
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SPEAKER_01: And if a person's got a lot of toxins, cholesterols, and things in their blood, it will filter those out and superozone uh that blood and then reinfuse it back into the body.
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SPEAKER_01: It usually makes a person very tired.
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SPEAKER_01: It takes more than one session uh to really start feeling the effects.
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SPEAKER_01: But Ibu uh is a fantastic therapy, and you can get that in very select locations.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And that so that would Oz I've heard really great things about ozone therapy, and I see that you've used an ozone sauna before as well.
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SPEAKER_01: You can you can infuse ozone into the body.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: You don't breathe it.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you don't want to breathe that O3, uh, it'll destroy lung tissue.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
19:53
SPEAKER_03: Right.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: But uh but we could absorb it through our body, we can get it into our bodies through uh rectal and sufflication, uh uh through blood.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh they can infuse ozone into the blood and then get it back into the body.
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SPEAKER_01: It has anti-cancer properties, anti-disease.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a fantastic way of it's another tool, it's not a uh a magic bullet, but it's another tool to address fight cancer from different angles.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Are are there any other therapies or treatments that are kind of would be a surprise to hear of it?
20:26
SPEAKER_02: Stand up.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Hypothermia is a big one.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: Hypothermia.
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SPEAKER_01: Hypothermia, uh, it is scientifically proven that once you can get the tumor above 106 degrees and hold it there for about 45 minutes or more, multiple sessions of that you can actually damage uh the DNA inside of cancer cells to where it cannot replicate again.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it's actually quite quite impressive with what they can do.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: And is that done through a sauna or when a person goes whole body hypothermia, it's it's harder on the body because that may be a sustained two, three, five, six hour treatment of 125 degrees or more.
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SPEAKER_01: So when you're looking at whole body hypothermia, it's not easy to do.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: You might want to sleep through that uh but but you it takes that if you're gonna do whole body, it takes that uh to get the tumor, because you got to get the tumor to above 106 degrees and then hold it there.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: So there are certain uh places that do whole body hypothermia, and there's others that do localized hypothermia to where it's easier on the patient where they're just driving heat uh deep into the tissues uh to get that tumor above 106 degrees.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: So you're not gonna do this just at a med spa.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: It it they don't get to a therapeutic level.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh at a med spa you can get to in increasing the immune response.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: It absolutely can hypothermia can do that, but if you're gonna get to An oncology level hypothermia, you're going to do that at select locations.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm happy to have conversations with people depending on what uh their needs are.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: And what they can handle.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: And I see uh other therapies on your website that are just so interesting.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: But the point of this conversation today is that Rusty is the expert at connecting patients to the correct treatments in the correct physicians and and things like that.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: So and I I just think that's such a valuable service that you you could be an advocate or a connector when people are frightened like that.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: So what and I I also I just wanted to mention I saw on your website that you even help people consider their financial options to pay for treatment, and you even have connections where people can can stay certain places and I mean you just you have the whole package for people in their families to seek treatment.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: These cancer clinics are what I would call a destination clinic.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: There's clinics all over the country, but the state laws can make it prohibit doctors from doing therapies that can honestly help people.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh so it depends on where you go.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: So we just have a basic conversation to find out what a person's um, you know, the cancer type, what type of uh therapies that could potentially help them, their individual needs uh as far as where they're at in their journey right now, uh, but also their ability to travel, um, how long they could stay.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: Financial concerns are all in there.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it's an individual journey, and a lot of times they just need uh uh a help in hand along the way.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Because if you're gonna learn to be a great advocate for yourself, it takes time, you know.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: And when we hit stage three, stage four, time is not what we have.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: We have to make some very, very decisive, confident decisions.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: There is no guarantee, right?
24:06
SPEAKER_01: Everyone's uh different, we're not rotating tires, right?
24:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we are we're talking about complex biology, right?
24:13
SPEAKER_01: But um, then there's doctors that have been doing this exceptionally well in different areas of the country and abroad.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: It depends, not everything can be done here.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: So some people may need to go to Mexico.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: There's clinics that were started by Americans up here that are actually down there, but not everybody wants to go to Mexico.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: There are I I remember I I've asked this uh question to countless people over the years.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: Well uh if down in Mexico, you know, what was your number one challenge getting here?
24:43
SPEAKER_01: And predominantly they said family, and family was against it, right?
24:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're we're up here in the US, we believe in our U.S.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: uh system, and there's a lot of great things that happen here, and there are great clinics here, but sometimes we it it's difficult to fathom that, hey, uh that that stage four treatment may be outside of the US.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I don't necessarily lead everybody there, but it's an option that people should be considering.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: But there are clinics up here in the U.S.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: that are doing a great job as well.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: So it's just an individual conversation, find out what their uh personal needs are, what their capabilities are, what their preferences are, and then connect together with a great doctor.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: So what are some possible pitfalls that someone may encounter?
25:30
SPEAKER_01: I have seen this by the way, that's a great question.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: It really is.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: I have seen people in my own clinic when I was running it, as well as other clinics, the people who are making all these, getting all the right stuff, they're winning.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: They're winning against a very aggressive cancer, but then still make a human error and it cost them dearly.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: And um, they passed on when they really I I didn't see why that should happen.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: But here's one of them taking time off when you feel better.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: Here's why.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: Cancer never takes a break, it's got one outcome kill the host.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: That's that's it.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: It's a war.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: I had an integrative doctor tell me that one time.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: Uh, Rusty, it's a war.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: You don't don't let up.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: So when a person starts feeling better, we've killed off, successfully killed off uh the overburden of the easier cancer cells to kill.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: The lesser burden of the tougher cancer cells to kill still remain.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: But since they're not burdened by them, they feel so much better.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take a break.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: I want to take time with my family because predominantly that's what comes.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: I I I hardly ever have a person say, I feel better, so I wanna I wanna further my career.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: No, it's I I want I wanna I want to spend time with my family.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: But and and I understand and I get it.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: I really do.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: I understand.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: But with technology, uh, this could give us other options to not take a break and but still spend time with family.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: So consider those other options rather than in person while you're in a cancer program.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: Because those cancer cells that are tougher to beat, they remain.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: And if we I had a good friend of mine, she came to the clinic and we were winning against a very aggressive uh form of breast cancer, and she took time off, and we're like, please don't do that.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: But she she won, she had a little girl, right?
27:29
SPEAKER_01: And I get it.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do, I get it.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: But when she two months later, she came back to the clinic, and the the cancer that remained was able to grab a foothold, and it was tougher.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: We couldn't get back uh the gains that we got, and we lost her.
27:45
SPEAKER_01: So she's my cautionary tale, and man, we wanted such good things for her, and and she was she was winning.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: So let that experience be a cautionary tale to others.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: Taking time off when you feel good can be one of the pitfalls that human nature falls into.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: Another one is changing your dosages, right?
28:08
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't feel good, right?
28:11
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not gonna take as much of it.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: This is tip a huge mistake.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: Talk to your doctor, talk to your care team about those negative uh side effects that you're feeling because if they don't know, they can't help you.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: So there's there's a lot of times it's not just the the therapy that makes us feel bad.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: It's also the fact that we're winning, and those toxins are in our body and they make us feel bad.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: So it can be the fact that we're not feeling good can mean that we're winning, right?
28:44
SPEAKER_01: And it just doesn't feel like we're winning.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: So I caution you don't change your dosages and um without discussing that with your care team.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: And then I think one of the most important things is to be an advocate for yourself.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Take a friend with you, take a loved one with you.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: Don't go to your your doctor appointments alone.
29:03
SPEAKER_01: Take somebody needs to be there with great questions, right?
29:06
SPEAKER_01: Because in the moment, I didn't remember to ask that, I didn't think to ask that.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: Also get a second opinion.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: And if if you've uh if you've got a conventional oncologist and you go, hey, I want a second opinion, they should have no problem uh leading to one.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: But if you go down the street, down the hall and get another conventional oncologist, don't be surprised if you get the same advice.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: So if if you're looking for something outside of that, then you're gonna need uh to speak with a doctor, a second opinion with an integrative doctor that can open up an entirely new way of uh being able to fight cancer and have a high level of quality of life.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: So if you don't know of a doctor that can do that and you want a second opinion, hey, let's have a quick conversation and uh connect you to one uh introduce you to a doctor who can do that.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: Second opinion can really help.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: So for anyone that might be going through a cancer diagnosis or someone in your family, Rusty's your guy.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: He's I would highly recommend you reach out to him to just get some he's a he's a the depth of his knowledge in this and the assets he has at his fingertips are are fantastic.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: And he can he can eliminate some fear you might be having as far as and and you're not like you said, you're not against conventional treatment, but you have some offerings for what could enhance conventional treatment, in some cases replace conventional treatment, just but your wealth of knowledge is such that you would guide someone down the proper pathway is absolutely and thank you.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Those are uh kind words and yes.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: The fact is, if anyone in the audience, I'm to that's fighting cancer or loved ones fighting cancer, I'm talking to you directly right now.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: We don't know what we don't know.
31:10
SPEAKER_01: And without that, without that knowledge, it's uh hard to grab hold of hope that there's another way when we don't know that way exists.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: It's just how do we do that?
31:21
SPEAKER_01: So uh a being in this and seeing my mom, I didn't know it either.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know it either, but when we witnessed this, uh a miracle rooted in science, like wow, we immersed ourselves and it changed our lives.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: And we became different people, our careers changed, right?
31:39
SPEAKER_01: Right to help people understand what these um what these therapies can do.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: Now, it's not a cure, um, there's no magic pill.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: I wish there was a silver bullet.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: There isn't one.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Not today, maybe maybe in the future, but not today.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: But uh, when we time and pair and sequence these therapies together, we literally increase their effectiveness.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: And wow, what a difference.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, to to um to have quality of life, you for fighting cancer, even late-stage cancers, whether it's uh a solid tumor or blood cancer, um, you know, metastasized uh to multiple places, um, there is still hope.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: If you've if you want more time, this is a an option to you.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: I would suggest have a conversation with a doctor.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: Tell them, find out what they could do for you.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: That's where it all really begins.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, and uh just to have a conversation.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: If it works for you, great, take advantage for it, God bless you.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: If it doesn't, at least you know that it's there and you can start looking to um incorporate that and be a better advocate for yourself.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: One way or another, I've found that everyone was benefited at some level.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: Everyone was benefited.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: So, Rusty, what is the best way for someone to contact you?
32:58
SPEAKER_01: I make it pretty easy.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh Brio Medical, B as in boy, R-I-O.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: Then put a hyphen there, and you're gonna put those in the in the notes, I would imagine.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: But Brio Brio-medical.com.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: My phone number's right at the top.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: Call me.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: There is a form there, uh, and I got a special gift for you.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: I forgot to mention this earlier.
33:17
SPEAKER_01: For anyone that ever wanted to know what it looked like behind the curtain of one of these clinics, I have a seven-week care plan of a woman who a woman who came into the clinic, stage four, left seven weeks later, got a PET scan, all of her cancer is gone.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: It lists all the therapies she was given, the dosage, the timing for over seven weeks.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: And then I have a guide that goes along with that uh that shows the reasons that so you'll know what she got and the reason the medical uh staff gave it to her uh and what those health gains they were looking for over seven weeks.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: So, what a resource that is for you.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: If you come to the form on the website of brio-medical.com and you fill out the form there and put care plan, and I listed that in the instructions right on the form so you can't forget.
34:05
SPEAKER_01: But put care plan in the notes, and I'll know that you want it, and I'll email it to you.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: And it it would take a person months if they ever got to to a level to understand that of what you can see in this care plan.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: So uh come on.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: It's a free resource there for anybody who wants it, uh, but brio-medical.com phone number form, it's easy to contact me.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: Aaron Powell Wonderful, Rusty.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: That's the care plan, I think, would be so invaluable just to see what someone actually walked through and and the steps she took and the the outcomes she had.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: I think that would be very helpful for people to see that.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: I've seen people that the care plan may be a little difficult to understand, but you can see it.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: Don't try to memorize it or whatever, but but you can at least see, but then the the reasoning guide behind it kind of brings it together.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: You go, they did this, this, and this, so she could over a course of a week expect this kind of an outcome, right?
35:09
SPEAKER_01: And you're like, oh, okay, that kind of you couple those together, they become a fantastic tool and can just zoom a person through a process of what what is being done behind the scenes uh of an integrated clinic.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a great resource.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
35:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you for your time today, Rusty.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: I I'm quite sure that you have brought comfort and hope to someone that's listening today.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: And uh So you guys go find Rusty, he's your guy to alleviate a lot of fears and give you some options at uh brio-medical.com.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Rusty.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Before we go, I want to encourage all your listeners.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: Um it takes a lot of work to put these these podcasts on and do that uh every week.
35:52
SPEAKER_01: So to say thank you to the doctor, hey, go give her a five-star review.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: She's more than earned it.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: Go get a five-star review.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: This is important, right?
36:01
SPEAKER_01: And it helps others.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: It helps others uh get confidence in in her ability to help people.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: So please uh take the time to give her a five-star review.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Rusty.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: I appreciate you.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: Have a great day.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, guys.
36:13
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