Latest / Space Nuts: Astronomy Insights & Cosmic Discoveries / #456: Safeguarding the Moon, Titan's Liquid Sounds & Dark Matter Drifts
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hi there, thanks for joining us yet again on Space Nuts.
- 0:03Speaker 1: This is a Q and a episode where we answer
- 0:06Speaker 1: your questions. You ask the questions, we as in the
- 0:09Speaker 1: Royal we as in Fred answers them. We should do
- 0:13Speaker 1: it the other way around. One day we ask you
- 0:16Speaker 1: the questions why don't you get a job for a starter.
- 0:19Speaker 1: But anyway, coming up on.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Coming up with this, we're going to answer questions about
- 0:26Speaker 2: protecting the moon, the sound of liquids on other worlds,
- 0:30Speaker 2: interesting dark matter movement, shocker dark matter question, and how
- 0:35Speaker 2: atmospheres are formed.
- 0:37Speaker 1: That's all coming up on this episode of Space Nuts.
- 0:41Speaker 3: Fifteen in Channel ten nine ignition Space Nuts side or three.
- 0:50Speaker 4: Two Space Nuts.
- 0:55Speaker 1: As can I report it?
- 0:56Speaker 5: Neils good.
- 0:57Speaker 2: One man who's got a job is professor friend, what's
- 1:00Speaker 2: an astronomer at large?
- 1:01Speaker 5: Unlike me, I don't work anymore. I've chucked at all.
- 1:05Speaker 5: This is not a job. This is fun. This is
- 1:07Speaker 5: a hobby.
- 1:08Speaker 4: Hi Fred, Yeah, it's fun for me. Excuse me, it's
- 1:12Speaker 4: fun for me too. But you're right, I do have
- 1:14Speaker 4: a job. And yes, there we go.
- 1:18Speaker 1: Yes, now we have got a lot to get through,
- 1:22Speaker 1: so I think we'll just plow straight into it and
- 1:25Speaker 1: our first question comes from a regular sender in Erra.
- 1:29Speaker 1: His name is Mikey Andrew. It's Mickey once again way
- 1:35Speaker 1: too Hot Illinois.
- 1:38Speaker 4: Got a question for you, guys.
- 1:40Speaker 3: I know we have like a planetary protection for incoming
- 1:44Speaker 3: asteroids that threatened Earth, but do we have the same
- 1:50Speaker 3: thing for the Moon, Like what it a genormous asteroid?
- 1:55Speaker 3: Where to hit the Moon and blow it the smitherenes
- 1:59Speaker 3: or knock it our course or alter it in some
- 2:02Speaker 3: huge wacas. The Moon is very important to the lake
- 2:05Speaker 3: on Earth, right, So I guess first of all, what
- 2:09Speaker 3: would happen if something happened to the Moon, would we
- 2:13Speaker 3: still have a good chance of surviving? And secondly, is
- 2:16Speaker 3: there a protection plan in place? Like there is ready
- 2:19Speaker 3: Earth for the Moon?
- 2:21Speaker 5: Thanks guys, love the bad guest. Thanks.
- 2:23Speaker 1: Mikey always asks interesting questions. The answer is no, and yes.
- 2:29Speaker 6: Well it is yeah, yeah, we've we've had questions about
- 2:34Speaker 6: the loss of the Moon before and what might happen
- 2:37Speaker 6: to us?
- 2:37Speaker 5: And I do believe that we have discussed.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Maybe once or twice, that the protection of the planet
- 2:45Speaker 1: includes the Moon.
- 2:46Speaker 5: We realize that we.
- 2:48Speaker 2: Can't just protect ourselves, We've got to protect the Moon. Otherwise,
- 2:52Speaker 2: you know, if it gets obliterated.
- 2:54Speaker 5: We're in big trouble.
- 2:56Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so obliterated that would have to be a
- 2:59Speaker 1: huge j object.
- 3:01Speaker 4: That's the point. There's nothing there's no scenario that we
- 3:06Speaker 4: can envisage at the moment that would involve such a collision.
- 3:10Speaker 4: So we're talking about asteroids. You know, even something measured
- 3:17Speaker 4: in kilometers hitting the Moon would be of concern to
- 3:21Speaker 4: us because the Moon's very close to the Earth, and
- 3:26Speaker 4: you know, that's one of the things that we need
- 3:28Speaker 4: to know about. So the bottom line is that our
- 3:32Speaker 4: protection of Earth in terms of it's not actually planetary
- 3:36Speaker 4: protection is something slightly different. That's a biological thing. Planetary
- 3:40Speaker 4: defense is what we're talking about, and defending the Earth
- 3:43Speaker 4: effectively means we defend the Moon as well in the
- 3:46Speaker 4: sense that if we are looking for hazardous objects, and
- 3:50Speaker 4: that's you know, that's a well established technology which we're doing.
- 3:55Speaker 4: We think we've discovered most of the objects that might
- 3:58Speaker 4: threaten Earth and the Moon which are more than a
- 4:01Speaker 4: kilometer in size. It's the objects of a few hundred
- 4:05Speaker 4: meters that we're looking at now.
- 4:07Speaker 5: Now.
- 4:08Speaker 4: The detection of those is parcel of modern astronomy. And
- 4:12Speaker 4: we find them with regularity. If one was on a
- 4:18Speaker 4: collision course with the Earth, then we'd do something about it.
- 4:22Speaker 4: And we've discussed that before many times, andrew.
- 4:27Speaker 5: Is the theory of deflection. Yes, indeed, it was a.
- 4:30Speaker 4: Dark mission, that's right. But if one of them was
- 4:34Speaker 4: shown to impact the Moon, we wouldn't do anything about it.
- 4:38Speaker 4: I think we would let it happen because it's just
- 4:42Speaker 4: part of the natural cycle of events. And unless there
- 4:46Speaker 4: was a threat to humans on the Moon, you wouldn't
- 4:50Speaker 4: do anything about it. And in fact, if you knew
- 4:52Speaker 4: enough about such an object going to hit the Moon,
- 4:56Speaker 4: you bring your humans back, you get them off them,
- 4:59Speaker 4: because that's a lot easier than trying to deflect an asteroid.
- 5:03Speaker 4: So it's that, you know, the lunar defense is basically
- 5:10Speaker 4: wrapped up within planetary defense of the Earth, with the
- 5:14Speaker 4: one exception that we would not try and define deflect
- 5:18Speaker 4: an asteroid. If one of any particular size was shown
- 5:22Speaker 4: to be targeting the Moon.
- 5:25Speaker 1: It gets hit a lot anyway, doesn't it.
- 5:27Speaker 6: That's right.
- 5:28Speaker 4: Yeah, it's getting and because there's no atmosphere on the Moon,
- 5:33Speaker 4: you know, they get clouded. The Moon gets clouded much
- 5:36Speaker 4: more forcefully than the Earth does by these incoming objects. So, yes,
- 5:41Speaker 4: it's a work in progress. It's happening all the time,
- 5:46Speaker 4: and sometimes there's interesting physics involved. You know, if you
- 5:51Speaker 4: can see the flash of an impact in meteor or asteroid,
- 5:56Speaker 4: then you've got you've got a new new data to
- 6:01Speaker 4: look at and to work with.
- 6:04Speaker 1: If something was big enough to destroy the Moon, we
- 6:07Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have a prayer of stopping it anyway, would we.
- 6:11Speaker 4: No, we wouldn't. There isn't anything, So it's okay.
- 6:16Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well not within our solar system. But maybe
- 6:19Speaker 1: you know, maybe something that's extra soul might come through.
- 6:23Speaker 1: We've had a couple of those over the years.
- 6:26Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 6:26Speaker 4: The thing is, the bigger the object is, the easier
- 6:29Speaker 4: it is to detect. And you know, there's just nothing
- 6:33Speaker 4: on the horizon even of that kind of.
- 6:37Speaker 1: Although the Moon being made of cheese would absorb and
- 6:40Speaker 1: impact quite easily.
- 6:44Speaker 4: Unless it was a particularly hard chadder that might that,
- 6:48Speaker 4: you know.
- 6:49Speaker 5: Yes, so that's a point.
- 6:50Speaker 1: Yes, yes, all right, I can think of a few
- 6:54Speaker 1: cheese puns.
- 6:55Speaker 5: But let's move on. Thanks Mikey, good to hear from you.
- 6:58Speaker 1: Our next question comes from somebody else, and I've actually
- 7:03Speaker 1: managed to lose it here we go. I don't know
- 7:06Speaker 1: how that happened. Thank you Windows, gooday Fred and Andrew.
- 7:11Speaker 1: As a native minnetonin Minnesotan, Minnesota, all right, Minnesotan, I
- 7:17Speaker 1: quite enjoy taking holiday time along the north shore of
- 7:21Speaker 1: Lake Superior. I love the sound of the waves washing
- 7:24Speaker 1: onto the shore, and that got me to thinking about
- 7:26Speaker 1: lakes and rivers on Titan. Would they sound comparable to
- 7:30Speaker 1: what we have on Earth, or because it's not water,
- 7:33Speaker 1: would there be some kind of distinctive difference to the
- 7:36Speaker 1: sound of the liquid ethane methane interacting with its surroundings.
- 7:40Speaker 1: I realized this is probably out of Fred's area of expertise,
- 7:44Speaker 1: but that's par for the course here on space Nuts.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Gods from James Greenfield. Yeah, James asks
- 7:52Speaker 1: an interesting question because we've talked in the past about
- 7:55Speaker 1: different types of suns and if life existed on work
- 8:00Speaker 1: surrounding those suns, you know, the trees might have different
- 8:03Speaker 1: colored leaves and things like that. But I would imagine
- 8:07Speaker 1: also that sounds on other planets and other moons would
- 8:13Speaker 1: vary depending on the conditions, would they not.
- 8:18Speaker 4: It's it's yes, they would, and there's two things at
- 8:24Speaker 4: play here. First of all, there's the liquid, which may
- 8:29Speaker 4: be quite viscous. We don't really know. It's sort of oily.
- 8:36Speaker 4: It's a hydrocarbon. We know what liquid hydro carbons are
- 8:39Speaker 4: like here on Earth. But there might be you know,
- 8:42Speaker 4: compounds within it that make it a bit more viscous.
- 8:45Speaker 4: We think we covered the story not long ago that
- 8:49Speaker 4: suggested that if you look at the shape of the
- 8:51Speaker 4: lakes on Titan, you can tell that there are waves there,
- 8:56Speaker 4: wind blown waves.
- 8:58Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, And.
- 9:01Speaker 4: But the likelihood is they're not very high, because radar
- 9:06Speaker 4: reflections from Titan's seas are very very smooth indeed, and
- 9:11Speaker 4: so I mean, I've read some papers that suggest that
- 9:13Speaker 4: the waves are only millimeters high, which probably wouldn't make
- 9:18Speaker 4: much noise. The other thing, though, that is the atmosphere,
- 9:23Speaker 4: which is a different pressure from our atmosphere on planet Earth.
- 9:29Speaker 4: One point five bars is the atmospheric pressure there, and
- 9:35Speaker 4: so it basically is fifty percent higher than our atmospheric
- 9:40Speaker 4: pressure here. So that's going to change the speed of sound,
- 9:43Speaker 4: it's going to change the way things sound. It's really
- 9:48Speaker 4: hard to imagine what the waves on Titan might sound like.
- 9:51Speaker 4: And I think, James, pose is a really interesting question.
- 9:54Speaker 1: There'd probably be a way of working it out though,
- 9:57Speaker 1: if you really needed to know that.
- 9:59Speaker 4: There would be, but it will do a simulation if yeah,
- 10:03Speaker 4: if needed, But theories theory would help as well.
- 10:09Speaker 1: It would also change the picture of your voice, wouldn't it.
- 10:12Speaker 4: Yes, probably hello and joining you.
- 10:17Speaker 1: Yeah, well you'd probably be going hell and that'd be
- 10:20Speaker 1: the end of that. Yeah, but yeah, everything would probably
- 10:25Speaker 1: be different in one way or another. So yeah, definitely, James,
- 10:31Speaker 1: would you would have a different sounding liquid scenario on
- 10:35Speaker 1: somewhere like Titan and any other place with liquid surfaces?
- 10:40Speaker 1: Good to get your question, Thank you, James. This is
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- 13:14Speaker 4: Okay, well take your space nuts.
- 13:20Speaker 5: To our next question.
- 13:21Speaker 1: An audio question, This one, Fred comes from Bill.
- 13:26Speaker 5: All right, this Bill, San Francis, Kobe area.
- 13:30Speaker 7: My question is.
- 13:33Speaker 5: Could dark matter travel through space? So dark matter that apparently.
- 13:38Speaker 7: Doesn't interact with other things through gravity, So could don't
- 13:45Speaker 7: matter get thrown around or out of a galaxy due
- 13:48Speaker 7: to other gravitational efense kind of like planets and other stuff?
- 13:53Speaker 3: Does?
- 13:55Speaker 5: That's my question? Love the show, Thanks, thank you Bill.
- 13:59Speaker 1: Bill from a very watery part of the world as well,
- 14:03Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. It would have some sloshy sounds around it. Indeed,
- 14:09Speaker 1: dark matter, we did talk about it recently in light
- 14:11Speaker 1: of the fact that they discovered that it may well
- 14:15Speaker 1: interact with itself. But that's not what he's asking. He's
- 14:18Speaker 1: asking about dark matter movement. Can it Can it move around?
- 14:22Speaker 1: We also, I think, discussed that it seems to concentrate
- 14:27Speaker 1: around galaxies and in places of saturation, I suppose of
- 14:34Speaker 1: other objects.
- 14:35Speaker 5: So it's an interesting question.
- 14:39Speaker 4: That's right. So dark matter basically is where normal mutter is.
- 14:44Speaker 4: We think that's the accident. We think that the dark
- 14:47Speaker 4: matter cosmic web provided basically gravitational centers for the for
- 14:53Speaker 4: normal mutter to collect and turn into stars and galaxies.
- 14:57Speaker 4: But you've highlighted one of the rucial aspects of this
- 15:01Speaker 4: that we did talk a couple of weeks ago. I
- 15:04Speaker 4: think it was about the idea that dark matter might
- 15:08Speaker 4: interact with itself. Some evidence that seemed to suggest that,
- 15:12Speaker 4: although I think the common view is still that it doesn't.
- 15:18Speaker 4: And the evidence for that comes from something that directly
- 15:26Speaker 4: answers Bill's question, dark matter move And the answer is, yes,
- 15:32Speaker 4: there is, if I remember rightly. I think it's called
- 15:36Speaker 4: the Pandora cluster. It's a cluster of galaxies which is
- 15:41Speaker 4: actually two galaxy clusters colliding, and what you can see
- 15:47Speaker 4: there is the material of the galaxies themselves, the gas
- 15:55Speaker 4: and dust that we can see sort of piles up
- 15:59Speaker 4: in this color. And so you've got a galaxy cluster
- 16:04Speaker 4: that's made up of two galaxy clusters in the act
- 16:08Speaker 4: of colliding, but the dark matter which is around them,
- 16:13Speaker 4: and we can detect that by means of gravitational lensing.
- 16:19Speaker 4: The dark matter just carries on. So what you've got
- 16:23Speaker 4: is this galaxy cluster. It's two galaxies that have collided
- 16:26Speaker 4: and they've wound up together. But then on either side
- 16:30Speaker 4: of them, on each side is a blob of dark matter.
- 16:34Speaker 4: The dark matter has passed through itself, the two dark
- 16:39Speaker 4: matter halos of each of the two clusters has gone
- 16:42Speaker 4: through itself and not interacted. And that's why people think
- 16:46Speaker 4: dark matter has not interact does not interact with itself.
- 16:49Speaker 4: But it does prove the answer to Bill's question that
- 16:52Speaker 4: dark matter can move.
- 16:54Speaker 5: It can move. Okay, we don't know a lot about it, Bill.
- 16:58Speaker 1: And with we're trying to find out what we can.
- 17:01Speaker 1: There's there's studies into it, but it's elusive because it's
- 17:05Speaker 1: dark matter. It's it doesn't it's not of our realm
- 17:10Speaker 1: technically speaking, does it.
- 17:12Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a.
- 17:13Speaker 4: Nice way to put it. It is not of our realm.
- 17:15Speaker 4: That's right.
- 17:16Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Bill.
- 17:20Speaker 5: Great to hear from you too.
- 17:21Speaker 1: And our final question today comes from Brady. Hello, from
- 17:25Speaker 1: the Great State of Florida. I just I have a questioned, Fred,
- 17:29Speaker 1: why does everyone who lives in Florida call it the
- 17:32Speaker 1: Great State of Florida. Most of the questions we get say, hey,
- 17:36Speaker 1: I'm from the Great State of Florida. Are they just
- 17:39Speaker 1: saying Florida abbreviate it? Is it actually called the Great
- 17:42Speaker 1: State of Florida. I'm being a bit coy here, but
- 17:47Speaker 1: it gets local pride.
- 17:49Speaker 5: I think it is too.
- 17:50Speaker 4: We go from other states as well. Everybody's you know,
- 17:55Speaker 4: happy about where they live, which is great.
- 17:59Speaker 5: Well I can I can get it.
- 18:01Speaker 1: I mean, they've got fifty states to to sort of
- 18:06Speaker 1: talk about. We've only got, you know, half a dozen.
- 18:08Speaker 1: But when we all we want, we're one country split
- 18:13Speaker 1: into states. But during the football season in New South
- 18:16Speaker 1: Wales and Queensland hate each other. So just a temporary thing. Yes,
- 18:20Speaker 1: Other than that, we're really good friends. So from the
- 18:26Speaker 1: Great State of Florida, Brady asks, I was wondering how
- 18:30Speaker 1: atmospheres are formed. How do they go from a ball
- 18:33Speaker 1: of rock and lava at having an atmosphere. Good, good question. Yeah,
- 18:38Speaker 1: I have never pondered that, and I'm glad you asked.
- 18:42Speaker 5: It is a good question.
- 18:43Speaker 4: So you know, if you've got a world at the
- 18:46Speaker 4: temperature at which the volatile material, the stuff that easily
- 18:50Speaker 4: turns into gas is gas, then you're going to have
- 18:56Speaker 4: a gas envelope around a planet. It's a good it's
- 18:59Speaker 4: a great question. H And you know when you when
- 19:04Speaker 4: you think of the way planets are formed, they start
- 19:07Speaker 4: off as dust and gas, and so you've got this
- 19:12Speaker 4: kind of bedding down process where the dust turns into
- 19:15Speaker 4: planet sysmals and they all bash into each other and
- 19:18Speaker 4: that probably heats up everything so that the temperature gets
- 19:23Speaker 4: exceeds where things like nitrogen and oxygen and carbon dioxideer gas.
- 19:28Speaker 4: Then what you end up with is is a solid
- 19:32Speaker 4: world because the the other things, the silicates and things
- 19:35Speaker 4: like that, are at temperatures that are solid, you know,
- 19:39Speaker 4: within the places like the Goldilocks zone. And so you've
- 19:43Speaker 4: you end up with this natural, natural scenario of a solid,
- 19:50Speaker 4: rocky body with a gas envelope. And that's turned on
- 19:55Speaker 4: its head when we get out to the to the
- 19:57Speaker 4: giant planets, because the rocky body there is very small
- 20:02Speaker 4: and probably has quite a lot of water ice in it,
- 20:05Speaker 4: because you'd be on the frost line and the gas
- 20:09Speaker 4: is the main part of the body. So the atmosphere
- 20:16Speaker 4: of a gas giant is formed in a rather different
- 20:18Speaker 4: way from the atmosphere of a rocky planet.
- 20:23Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 20:24Speaker 1: In fact, yeah, gas giants are very different because you're
- 20:28Speaker 1: basically looking at depending on the size. But you're getting
- 20:32Speaker 1: on towards star formations. Some of those gas giants are
- 20:35Speaker 1: actually failed stars, aren't.
- 20:37Speaker 4: They, effectively. Yeah, Jupiter's often described as a failed star.
- 20:40Speaker 4: It would have to be about ninety times bigger, I think,
- 20:43Speaker 4: if I remember rightly to be a star. If it
- 20:46Speaker 4: was only thirteen times bigger, though, it would be a
- 20:47Speaker 4: brown dwarf star, which is a different kind of category star.
- 20:52Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's got a lot to
- 20:55Speaker 1: do with proximity to the star golilock zone. All those
- 21:02Speaker 1: things come into play. Although you get you get gas
- 21:05Speaker 1: giants that are close to their parents' star too, which
- 21:08Speaker 1: is seemingly so far, fairly normal in the discovery of exoplanets.
- 21:13Speaker 4: Yeah, and you get them a long way from planets
- 21:16Speaker 4: as well, sorry, a long way from their stars. Like yeah,
- 21:19Speaker 4: like the planets and the gas giants and the solar system.
- 21:22Speaker 5: Okay, so it's just part of a process.
- 21:28Speaker 4: Yes, that's I think that's the ways to put it's.
- 21:31Speaker 4: Thank you, Brady. You've kind of highlighted my thinking about
- 21:36Speaker 4: these planets and their atmospheres and it is a process.
- 21:40Speaker 4: That's the way to putting us.
- 21:42Speaker 1: All right, good question, Brady. Look, I don't think it'll happen,
- 21:46Speaker 1: but one day someone might send a question in where
- 21:48Speaker 1: I go that's just not interesting and it's a bad question. No,
- 21:53Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened yet.
- 21:55Speaker 4: I'll get a half of our drew.
- 21:56Speaker 1: It's all right, definitely not But if you do have
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- 22:38Speaker 5: We're all done, Fred, thank you very much again.
- 22:41Speaker 4: It's a pleasure. I'm always happy to be on space Notes.
- 22:44Speaker 4: Thank you, Andrew.
- 22:46Speaker 1: I'm glad you are, otherwise you probably would have left
- 22:48Speaker 1: eight years ago.
- 22:52Speaker 5: Professor Fred wattsont Astronomer at large.
- 22:54Speaker 1: And thanks to here in the studio, who's busily making lunch.
- 22:58Speaker 5: I think, yeah, come and see. I can't see him.
- 23:01Speaker 5: He's not on the camera.
- 23:02Speaker 1: No, no, it's a brush turkey sandwich by the look
- 23:05Speaker 1: of it. Good on you and from me Andrew Dunkley,
- 23:08Speaker 1: thanks for your company. Has always catch you on the
- 23:10Speaker 1: very next episode of Space Nuts. Bye bye.
- 23:15Speaker 5: You'll be listening to the Space Nuts podcast.
- 23:19Speaker 1: Available at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart Radio, or your favorite
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- 23:29Speaker 3: This has been another quality podcast production from nights dot com.