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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, March 8 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive John with Ashlyn Sullo Sound with
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Speaker 1: John Oceans and Brian Sexton. Jacks Drive Jo starts right now. Well,
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Speaker 1: we know who will be the next coach of the Jacks,
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson down in Jacksonville. He understands how
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Speaker 1: to build a sound organization with structure being able to move,
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Speaker 1: basically to be able from the ground up. These guys
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Speaker 1: want to win, I mean bottom line, they want to
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Speaker 1: win and it's got to be about football. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel like you're behind the eight ball in terms of
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Speaker 1: putting together a a staff no confidence wise, then in
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Speaker 1: be a little symbol very high. Our very first episode
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Speaker 1: of the Hunts of this offseason comes out this Thursday,
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Speaker 1: and we are very excited for it. You will not
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Speaker 1: get better access of what is going on inside this
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Speaker 1: building than watching them months, So tune in this Thursday.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into Jaguars Drive Time. Ashlyn, Brian and John here
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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday morning, and I laugh every single time
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Speaker 1: dots sound clip is played of Mark Long's question. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he purposefully came in and wanted to exude the short
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Speaker 1: of confidence that he wants in his team to an
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Speaker 1: organization that lacks it right now. Uh, it fit so perfectly, Um,
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Speaker 1: and it didn't take a lot of effort to just
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Speaker 1: be himself. Absolutely, it was a legitimate question in Mark's defense,
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Speaker 1: who I've known for a long time. They had hired
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Speaker 1: a coach late, and he was asking if they were
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Speaker 1: behind the eight wall a lot of time wise, But
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson has been around. He knew at the time
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Speaker 1: that he could get the staff he wanted. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: at that point that he was sitting there talking to
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Speaker 1: Mark in that question. Uh, if he had eighteen staffers
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Speaker 1: instead of the seventy five we had last year, but
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Speaker 1: if he had he had eighteen, uh coaches, he probably
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Speaker 1: had twelve or even if that came together. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it didn't require three weeks to get He was making
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Speaker 1: phone calls before that case. Yeah, but it's Doug talked
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Speaker 1: with you, I think in Indianapolis and talked about coming
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Speaker 1: in and being himself and that being enough to you know,
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Speaker 1: to convince people of what they were building here. Well,
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Speaker 1: that that's him and it was exactly what this franchise
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Speaker 1: needed at that moment. It was a very legitimate question,
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Speaker 1: but it was a timely answer. Um speaking to who
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson is a guy who knows what to do,
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Speaker 1: how to do it. If you haven't listened to his
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Speaker 1: book yet or read it, do it. It will give
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Speaker 1: you great insight into him. Absolutely, Let's get into big things,
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Speaker 1: shall we. Big thing one is the franchise tie. The
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Speaker 1: deadline is today at four pm to place the tag
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Speaker 1: on some one. We've seen other teams do so this morning.
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Speaker 1: Do we expect this to happen at Cam Robinson or
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Speaker 1: possibly d J Chark. NFL Network Cynthia Freeliness, like many
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Speaker 1: waiting to see what happens with Cam Robinson and how
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Speaker 1: it impacts the entire draft, Well, are you gonna, Are
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Speaker 1: you guys gonna tell me who you're signing in free
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Speaker 1: agency because it's Cam Robinson coming back or not? Because
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Speaker 1: you know, like because I think Evan Neil if that's
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Speaker 1: who I would pick for you guys, But if you
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Speaker 1: pay for your tackle, then I would probably say you
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Speaker 1: need a pass rusher. So it's either going to be
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson or Evan Neil. It's kind of who right now.
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Speaker 1: But of course we'll learn more this week. And the
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Speaker 1: defense hasn't even started yet, so well, there's still more
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Speaker 1: to similar to do big thing to Like Cynthia just said,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars could go many directions in the draft. Could
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Speaker 1: it be offensive lineman Evan Neil, Could it be John's
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Speaker 1: guy Ikey? Maybe Aidan Hutchinson As of now, many people
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Speaker 1: are thinking offensive line. As of now, it certainly seems
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Speaker 1: like the head of a consensus on it. Right. I
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Speaker 1: keep hearing Evan Neil's name from You're hearing that a lot, right.
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Speaker 1: It will be interesting because not only is he in
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Speaker 1: the mix, what about it? Nicky Iguana out of out
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Speaker 1: of out of North Carolina State. That's another guy that's
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Speaker 1: going to be in this mix here as they turn
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Speaker 1: and evaluated when you get you know, uh as you know,
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Speaker 1: as you go through the whole process and what Doug
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Speaker 1: Peterson's gonna want for his offense. Charles Cross from Mississippi
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Speaker 1: State is another big offensive tackle. We're locked in on
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Speaker 1: those guys because Trevor Lawrence must be taken care of.
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Speaker 1: And it's not a year where to me, you're looking
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Speaker 1: at that offensive line as Cincinnati did last year and
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Speaker 1: said we've got someone on a roster. My name of
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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams has been hurt. People don't talk about it,
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Speaker 1: but we're gonna take jamorrow chasing Steak because we think
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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams will hold up. This feels a lot more
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Speaker 1: like Jacksonville, almost certainly headed towards the big people. And
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Speaker 1: finally Big Thing three is moving on. We can officially
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Speaker 1: check off the combine off the list. And now we
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Speaker 1: get ready for free agency, which starts next week. And
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Speaker 1: from Trent Balky's comments, we're getting ready for a pretty
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Speaker 1: busy week around here. No, the plans aggressive, I think
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Speaker 1: you know again, the fan base expects it, the fan base,
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Speaker 1: but we're gonna be smart. We're not just gonna go
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Speaker 1: make a move to make it. Uh, because the locker
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Speaker 1: room and and this is what fans don't see a
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Speaker 1: lot of times. You know, the players in those locker rooms,
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Speaker 1: they know what's going on, and they know a good
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Speaker 1: player from a bad player. Turn on the film, they
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Speaker 1: see it. So just because you go out and make
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Speaker 1: a splash in free agency and everybody gets excited, how
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Speaker 1: often do those players turn out to be difference makers?
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Speaker 1: And there you have it. Those are big things. Let's
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Speaker 1: go all the way back up to Big Thing one.
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Speaker 1: The franchise tag deadline is this afternoon. We have not
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Speaker 1: heard anything. I think I can kind of speak for everyone.
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Speaker 1: We don't expect it to happen, but if it does,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised, especially if it's camera, I'd be surprised. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I think if you're gonna work,
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Speaker 1: if you if you look at where you're at, the
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Speaker 1: draft is a unique situation. You have the opportunity, I think,
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Speaker 1: to improve yourself at offensive tackle and get a lot
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Speaker 1: less expensive. Um. I don't know why, with the dearth
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Speaker 1: of tackles. UM, I don't know why you wouldn't do that. Um,
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Speaker 1: but I would be surprised if they did it. I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they announced new deals for them, right,
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna keep cam, if you're gonna keep DJ Charcolate.
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Speaker 1: We talked about the Jaguar's reporters yesterday. I wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: surprised at that. But I think the tag would surprise
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Speaker 1: me because the amount you'd be committing on another one
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Speaker 1: year deal when a distinct opportunity to improve yourself and
6:18
Speaker 1: to get less expensive is sitting right in front of you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it would, Uh, I guess I'm fifty fifty which is
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Speaker 1: bad TV. He supposed to have a take. But I
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Speaker 1: could see them franchising Cam and then working out a
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Speaker 1: new deal. Uh, that would be more than route I
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Speaker 1: would expect. I would not expect him to play on
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Speaker 1: the tag. I could easily see. Sometimes the franchise tag
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Speaker 1: is used as a tool to give you some time
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Speaker 1: to go ahead, and uh that's the does get a
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Speaker 1: long term deal. Uh. You know, I guess I still
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Speaker 1: see and think that there is a strong school of
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Speaker 1: thought for keeping Cam and then going a different direction
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Speaker 1: other than the left tackle in the draft. Uh, they
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Speaker 1: haven't given much of a clue as to how they
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Speaker 1: feel about the offensive line on that front, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: be operating. I don't have a good vibe for how
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Speaker 1: much they like or don't like Cam Robinson. Well, here's
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Speaker 1: here's my question. I guess you could say, is if
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Speaker 1: you don't use the franchise tag and you still give
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Speaker 1: Cam a new deal and you still draft Evanyl. I
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Speaker 1: heard that situation played out on tent t x L,
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Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, Okay, well is that kind
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Speaker 1: of a waste thing totally? Because you drafted a walk
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Speaker 1: a little last year and now I mean I get
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Speaker 1: the options for offensive line. That's great to have options,
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Speaker 1: but at that point I see that as a waste
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Speaker 1: of money on I think if they did that, I
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Speaker 1: don't think they would sign Cam to a long term deal.
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Speaker 1: I think if if they did that, that would be
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Speaker 1: a franchise tag Cam and then you draft Evan Neal
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Speaker 1: with the idea of playing him inside for a year
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Speaker 1: and then moving him out when Cam leaves. It's a
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Speaker 1: school thought. The Ravens did that at one point with
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Speaker 1: playing Ogden inside. They played the guard but an Tony
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Speaker 1: Jones who was making four million dollars a year back.
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Speaker 1: Then if you are hell bent this year on we're
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Speaker 1: going at the best offensive line this year and then
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Speaker 1: continue that build. That's not an absurd scenario for a
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Speaker 1: one year deal when you've got the cap space they have,
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Speaker 1: But I don't think they'll do it. But if you
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Speaker 1: have so many needs and you want to use that
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Speaker 1: cap space to attack other needs, free agency is a
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Speaker 1: good place to do that. There's not a Jamaar Chases
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Speaker 1: Charles Davis mentioned in this year's wide receiver group um,
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Speaker 1: but there are some difference making kind of guys apparently,
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Speaker 1: who are going to hit the market, Maybe you rather
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Speaker 1: spend your money there then on another tackle. This remains
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Speaker 1: a fascinating area that I'm not sure I can ever
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Speaker 1: remember this many moving parts in the Jaguars offensive line.
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Speaker 1: If you do these things we're talking about, does that
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Speaker 1: automatically when you walk a little on the right side
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Speaker 1: or which he's left? Tackle? Yeah? Can you play all
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Speaker 1: right tackle? Are you bringing Brandon Lender back? Are you
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Speaker 1: assume you're letting it Andrew Norwell go? Well? Assuming that,
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Speaker 1: but they haven't said that. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: moving parts, especially Lender and Joan Taylor, who people aren't
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Speaker 1: really talking about your future. I don't know other future,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to come out to play in the
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Speaker 1: next week or so. Those are the two guys, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean the other three guys agent Can free agent,
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Speaker 1: Norwell free agent, Cam Robinson free agent. So you're talking
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Speaker 1: about massive turnover on the offensive line. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know where you go with this, but I
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Speaker 1: think you can do yourself a real solid by drafting
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Speaker 1: Neil moving little and I think you can create a
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Speaker 1: scenario where you I just don't the Robinson and then
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Speaker 1: Neil thing. I don't see that, do you worry. Then
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Speaker 1: if that's the case where you have Neil and then
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Speaker 1: walk a little on the other side, is the offensive
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Speaker 1: line too young and that scenario. I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can be too young on the offensive line when you'd
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Speaker 1: be very good. Yeah, you can be too not good,
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Speaker 1: which but I think that would be a scenario where
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Speaker 1: I would feel like they're pretty good. Uh, two young tackles. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess if Evan Neil is worth the number one
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Speaker 1: overall pick, that shouldn't be a concern. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's
9:59
Speaker 1: quickly talk about d J Chark with the franchise tage.
10:01
Speaker 1: We don't expect that to happen. DJ Chark looking for
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Speaker 1: big money, looking for that big contract. Not sure if
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars are going to pay him that big money.
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Speaker 1: We'd like to see a deal worked out, or it
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Speaker 1: can come in the middle. I don't know if we're
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Speaker 1: gonna expect that with DJ Chark. All it takes is
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Speaker 1: one and every year there's a player that surprises with
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Speaker 1: the money he gets. All the red flags about Chark
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Speaker 1: are there, right, has done it one time, has struggled
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Speaker 1: with injuries. Um, but somebody will look at his frame,
10:28
Speaker 1: they'll look at his speed, they'll talk to him and
10:31
Speaker 1: get a feel for the kind of person he is,
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Speaker 1: and we all know he's a fantastic human being, and say,
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Speaker 1: this is where the investment to write him a big check.
10:38
Speaker 1: Here's the Yeah. Keep going back to the concern and
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Speaker 1: I don't really expect them to retain DJ. I hope
10:45
Speaker 1: they do, and you know, I sort of think it
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Speaker 1: would be a good move. I for these reasons. He's
10:54
Speaker 1: really had one significant injury and it was an ankle,
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Speaker 1: and there's no reason you can't come back from that.
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Speaker 1: I don't since DJ Chark is injury brown. I think
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Speaker 1: he was really saddled in two thousand and twenty with
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Speaker 1: a difficult quarterback situation. I think he excelled in a
11:10
Speaker 1: weird quarterback situation in two thousand nineteen, and he was
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Speaker 1: like a lot of different guys as a rookie who
11:17
Speaker 1: just sort of took a while to again. So a
11:19
Speaker 1: strong argument can be made. I keep going back. I
11:21
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a better year five through eight
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Speaker 1: receiver than he was a year one. Believe him. Yeah,
11:27
Speaker 1: but um, But at the same token, the people making
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Speaker 1: decisions here, Trent Balky included a lot of personnel people
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Speaker 1: they haven't seen DJ when they're with the team have
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Speaker 1: a huge year. So it's this is tricky. This is
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Speaker 1: really tricky to go get me Allen Robinson to put
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Speaker 1: on the other side, because he's that alpha who will fight.
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Speaker 1: He's got the physical nature to his game that I
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Speaker 1: don't believe the d J Chark does. Let Chark be
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Speaker 1: the guy that goes down the field. Let Allen Robinson
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Speaker 1: be the guy that goes across the middle. I'd like
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Speaker 1: to draft someone. I'd like that, right, But that means
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Speaker 1: you and d J Chart need to come to an agreement,
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Speaker 1: which means how much money can you spend on wide receivers? Right?
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Speaker 1: And I just here's the scenario that I see playing
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Speaker 1: out with DJ. I think the Jaguars would like him
12:13
Speaker 1: back at a certain number, and they're gonna go to
12:16
Speaker 1: him with a number, and he's gonna say, well, it's
12:19
Speaker 1: people say why should we take that number? Because there's
12:21
Speaker 1: going to be teams interested. They're gonna be above that number.
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Speaker 1: I think the jag was gonna say, well thanks, but
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Speaker 1: no thanks. That's absolutely what happened with Allen Robinson when
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Speaker 1: he left. And then you have the fear that he
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Speaker 1: goes and becomes a superstar for another teams Alan did
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Speaker 1: in Chicago. Absolutely so, Yes, it'll be tricky, to say
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Speaker 1: the least. That is big things. When we come back
12:38
Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drivetime, Mike Renner from Pro Football Focus joins
12:41
Speaker 1: us on the Jaguars Digital Network. We're back to Jaguars
12:55
Speaker 1: Drive Time and it's Tuesday morning. We are a couple
12:57
Speaker 1: of days off of the NFL Combine and this man
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Speaker 1: Will is very busy last week. Mike Runner from Pro
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Speaker 1: Football Focus joins us. Now, Mike, good morning, Hey, thanks
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Speaker 1: for having me on. And still busy here. I never
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Speaker 1: stopped free draft. Yes, we are in draft season officially,
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Speaker 1: and speaking of draft, the Jaguars had the number one
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Speaker 1: overall pick obviously, and we heard so many options at
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Speaker 1: the combine offensive line. Hutchinson, what avenue do you foresee
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars going down? And really, who's the best player
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Speaker 1: in your opinion? My opinion, the best players Aidan Hutchinson.
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Speaker 1: And when you're a team like Jacksonville jaguarris that has
13:33
Speaker 1: needs littered all over that roster, I think you just
13:36
Speaker 1: got to lean best player. There are other avenues I
13:39
Speaker 1: guess that you wanted to help out Trevor Lawrence. But
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Speaker 1: to me, there are other avenues to doing that that
13:43
Speaker 1: aren't just using that number one overall pick on that player.
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Speaker 1: To me, Aidan Hutchinson proved that he is an elite
13:49
Speaker 1: edge rusher at the combine. Obviously on tape. His tape
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Speaker 1: is Night and Dave from literally anyone else in this
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Speaker 1: draft class on the edge. You saw that high state game,
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Speaker 1: you saw that Iowa game. The way he dominated was
13:57
Speaker 1: Chase young ask in terms of how he took over
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Speaker 1: um and then he maybe he didn't blaze the fastest forty,
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Speaker 1: but his ten split, you know, get off to ten
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Speaker 1: yards down the field, that forty was the same as
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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walkers. He ran four or five one, which is
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Speaker 1: all you really needed defensive end. You really only need
14:12
Speaker 1: to go ten yards and there's three comb was almost
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Speaker 1: identical to von Miller's. At six ft seven, two sixty.
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Speaker 1: This guy can turn. This guy has that agility that
14:19
Speaker 1: you want off the edge, and to me, he's the
14:21
Speaker 1: safest thing in the draft. And with the Jaguars the
14:23
Speaker 1: way the draft the past few years, they just need
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Speaker 1: a w At this point, Hey, Mike, where did the
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Speaker 1: first round grades end? In the first round this year.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think last year, I remember hearing that
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Speaker 1: between pick eight and pick forty there wasn't that much
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Speaker 1: differentiation at any given position where how many difference makers
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Speaker 1: are they're truly elite players in this draft. That's the thing.
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Speaker 1: This year's draft does not have nearly as many as
14:47
Speaker 1: last year's. Did you think back to last year? You
14:49
Speaker 1: went to pick like thirteen, like Mica Parsons comes off
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Speaker 1: the board at twelve. You had Shann Slatter at thirty,
14:54
Speaker 1: and those guys were pro bowlers. You know, you're one,
14:57
Speaker 1: which rarely happens, and those guys were They weren't even
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Speaker 1: thought of as no one's even regretting it because the
15:02
Speaker 1: guy's Jamar Chase and they still the guys you have
15:03
Speaker 1: to ahead of them more league too. So to me,
15:05
Speaker 1: there's really only a couple i'd call blue chip prospects
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Speaker 1: that their respective positions as Aidan Hutchinson and Kyle Hamilton's
15:12
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, the safety like, those are guys that
15:14
Speaker 1: are rare for their respective positions. And there's a lot
15:17
Speaker 1: of guys who are in that first round mix. So
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Speaker 1: if once you get past the top few picks, I
15:21
Speaker 1: think the difference between like a you know, everyone's talking
15:24
Speaker 1: about this Taffle class, but like an Ikiakwana and say
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Speaker 1: a Trevor Penning out of Northern Iowa isn't too dissimilar.
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Speaker 1: So the first round grades to me and somewhere around
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Speaker 1: the mid twenties. But this is a deep class. On
15:35
Speaker 1: day two, I think second and third round grades, we
15:38
Speaker 1: had over eighty guys in that mix, So there's a
15:41
Speaker 1: lot of talent once you get past sort of like
15:43
Speaker 1: where the Jaggles would be drafted in the second round,
15:46
Speaker 1: third round, there's a lot of guys that should still
15:48
Speaker 1: be available with them. Mike, speaking of that, uh, second
15:52
Speaker 1: round pick, I'm assuming that the Jaguars are going to
15:55
Speaker 1: be taking receiver there. That could be wrong, but that's
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Speaker 1: my assumption. How strong is this group right around that area?
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Speaker 1: And sort of secondly, uh, is this is the case
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Speaker 1: where you can get a pretty good wide receiver at
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Speaker 1: the top of the third or do you need to
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Speaker 1: go top of the second to address that the top
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Speaker 1: of the third, I can see the class being cooked
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Speaker 1: at the top of the second. It's been like the
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Speaker 1: sweet spot in recent years if you think about that's
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Speaker 1: where Deebo, Samuel came off the board. That's where te Higgins,
16:22
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman came off the board, That's where Elijah Moore
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Speaker 1: came off the board last year, like there's been a
16:25
Speaker 1: lot of wide receiver talent, there's been kind of NFL
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Speaker 1: ready and could even be your number one type of
16:30
Speaker 1: wide receivers that come off the board in the second
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Speaker 1: but by the third not nearly as many. Once you
16:35
Speaker 1: get to their um people still do well of identifying
16:38
Speaker 1: the athletes that win at that position. They do go
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Speaker 1: highly so the top of the second round there could
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Speaker 1: be like a John Dotson, I could see a Crystal
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Speaker 1: LaVey being on the board, maybe like a sky More
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Speaker 1: out of Western Michigan. There will be a lot of
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Speaker 1: talent there that it's gonna be, and even more so
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Speaker 1: Initier's class than even last year's class, where you have
16:55
Speaker 1: a bunch of different body types. Last year was a
16:57
Speaker 1: lot of undersized guys that were coming off the board
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Speaker 1: and round two this year you have you know, six
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Speaker 1: ft three, uh George Pickens from Georgia who would have
17:05
Speaker 1: probably gone first round had to been healthy. This year
17:07
Speaker 1: you have Justin Ross from Clemson who had to where
17:09
Speaker 1: a thousand yards as a true freshman, like you have
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Speaker 1: anse six ft four, like you have a lot of
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Speaker 1: different body types. But I think will still be on
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Speaker 1: the board there where they're picking the top second round.
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Speaker 1: It makes too much sense to give your quarterbacks and
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Speaker 1: health there. Hey, Mike, outside of Aidan Hutchinson, whose virtues
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Speaker 1: you've already extolled, who's your favorite player in this draft?
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Speaker 1: I'm regardless, first round, second round, day three, who's someone
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Speaker 1: that you've fallen in love with for their production, the
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Speaker 1: type of person they are, what you saw from them
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Well, the guy hasn't really been talked about
17:35
Speaker 1: because I think he's everyone's fair player, and it's Kyle
17:37
Speaker 1: Hamilton's from Notre Dame. He's so unique in that he's
17:40
Speaker 1: six ft four to twenty. The amount of safeties that
17:43
Speaker 1: are playing in the NFL a day six ft four
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Speaker 1: to twenty, I don't think there are like he has
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Speaker 1: a unique size, speed, explosive, this athlete at that position.
17:52
Speaker 1: And to me, he's very like, very much like Isaiah
17:55
Speaker 1: Simmons coming out and that he's gonna be covered first versatility,
17:58
Speaker 1: But to me, it's so much smooth than Isaiah Mint,
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Speaker 1: so much more productive in terms of getting his hand
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Speaker 1: on the football at the collegiate level that I don't
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Speaker 1: really care where you play them. Whoever does draft him,
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a productive player, all kinds
18:10
Speaker 1: of options at number one overall a good place to
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Speaker 1: be for the Jaguars. Mike, thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining Jags Drive Time for sure, thanks
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Speaker 1: for having me on you guys going absolutely when we
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18:25
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18:54
Speaker 1: We are a couple of days off of the NFL
18:56
Speaker 1: Combine where we have learned a lot about these prospects.
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Speaker 1: The she's that number one overall and we are going
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Speaker 1: to sell you on our pick, and Brian is up
19:05
Speaker 1: with a guy who's very popular. Well, I mean, how
19:07
Speaker 1: could you not? I can we just rerac with Mike
19:09
Speaker 1: Renner said about Aighton Hutchinson six ft seven two and
19:13
Speaker 1: sixty pounds, was stupendous in the three cone drill, which
19:18
Speaker 1: is a great measurement for how a guy moves and
19:20
Speaker 1: changes direction and can pursue you know, a quarterback or
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Speaker 1: a running back. The guy's tremendous football player. Um made
19:29
Speaker 1: for the game right. Father Chris was Big Ten Player
19:33
Speaker 1: of the Year, kind of guy didn't get much time
19:35
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but grew up loving Michigan, played at Michigan,
19:40
Speaker 1: productive at Michigan, dominated last year. If you want a
19:44
Speaker 1: playmaker and you don't think about offensive tackles being a playmaker,
19:48
Speaker 1: this is your guy. This is the guy who can
19:50
Speaker 1: change a game in a heartbeat. M Evan neil or
19:53
Speaker 1: Ikey A Quantum was probably the you know, the guy
19:56
Speaker 1: that gives you the chance to dominate and let playmakers go.
19:59
Speaker 1: But if you want to put a on a field
20:00
Speaker 1: and what highlights this is it. He's a double digit
20:03
Speaker 1: sack guy um from the get go. And he's got
20:06
Speaker 1: a a J. J. Watt quality about him, right, He's
20:11
Speaker 1: always working. You know J. J. Watt would would go
20:14
Speaker 1: to practice and then you go lift and then you
20:16
Speaker 1: go to second practice and go lift, and then he
20:18
Speaker 1: lived on his off days. He was always doing something,
20:20
Speaker 1: uh to create the best outcome for himself. It feels
20:24
Speaker 1: like it with this guy connecting with Tom Brady before
20:27
Speaker 1: his career really even starts to get on the right
20:29
Speaker 1: track with the TV twelve and the food and all
20:31
Speaker 1: of that stuff. That that that greatest longevity, and Tom
20:35
Speaker 1: Brady is a great model for longevity. So I'm impressed
20:38
Speaker 1: with him. If you put his hand on the ground immediately,
20:40
Speaker 1: especially with Josh Allen on the other side, you have
20:43
Speaker 1: got a dynamic combination of pass rush that will make
20:47
Speaker 1: your football team better. It will put your quarterback in
20:49
Speaker 1: a great situation because he'll flip the field, he'll get
20:52
Speaker 1: a sack strip, and he'll give you the ball at
20:54
Speaker 1: a moment when you need it most. He's that kind
20:57
Speaker 1: of a guy. So if he's the numb an overall pick,
20:59
Speaker 1: people should be really excited. Yeah, And I just keep
21:03
Speaker 1: Trent Balky in San Francisco made hey with pass rushers.
21:08
Speaker 1: He likes pass rushers, He's he likes a disruptive defensive lineman.
21:12
Speaker 1: I just keep seeing scenarios in my mind where this
21:15
Speaker 1: is the pick and somehow they uh go different directions
21:19
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. But that's Briant's pick for today,
21:22
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go a different direction. I'm gonna go
21:24
Speaker 1: with my guy, Ikey. Don't call me Icky, and uh,
21:29
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's not that much of a
21:34
Speaker 1: difference between him and Evan Neil at tackle. Uh what
21:37
Speaker 1: has happened this week? If you notice you've had post
21:40
Speaker 1: combine reversal, all these mock drafters who were assuming it
21:45
Speaker 1: was Evan Neil have gone. Icky's a great interview. He
21:49
Speaker 1: worked out at the Combine. He's a mean guy, he's tough.
21:52
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, everybody's mocking Ikey to the Jags.
21:56
Speaker 1: I don't know that anything has really changed from the
21:59
Speaker 1: Combine from their perspect active. I like this guy in
22:02
Speaker 1: terms of his aggressiveness. I like him in terms of
22:05
Speaker 1: all of the things that you like in an offensive tackle.
22:07
Speaker 1: I like his personality. If they drafted him, I would
22:10
Speaker 1: have zero problem with it. I just keep going back
22:13
Speaker 1: to it. To me, I just can't get away from
22:17
Speaker 1: this thing that I see an edgeresser standing on the
22:19
Speaker 1: podium for this team in April. But if it's a tackle,
22:23
Speaker 1: I could easily see. You know a quantu. Your guy
22:27
Speaker 1: reminds me his game tape right from North Carolina. It
22:29
Speaker 1: reminds me of Quentin Nelson's tape at Notre Dame. He
22:34
Speaker 1: was a nasty finisher. He never let anyone get up
22:37
Speaker 1: off the ground without letting him know I'm still here.
22:40
Speaker 1: I love that. I love watching Quentin Nelson play. Who
22:43
Speaker 1: likes watching guards play? Well, when it's that guy, you
22:45
Speaker 1: watch it. Same thing with him. His tape is fantastic. Um.
22:49
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't have the height and the length
22:51
Speaker 1: measurables that a guy like Evan Neil does, but he's
22:56
Speaker 1: got the intangible that seek and destroy quality that a
23:00
Speaker 1: Tony Baselli great. That is making Quentin Nelson great. Um,
23:03
Speaker 1: if that's him great, all great options. You mentioned those measurables.
23:08
Speaker 1: Evan Neil six ft seven, three hundred and thirty seven pounds,
23:12
Speaker 1: but does not move like it. This is your number
23:15
Speaker 1: one overall pick. At least I'm arguing forward after the combine.
23:17
Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about it, and that's what makes me hesitate,
23:20
Speaker 1: because the combine talk you always hear, oh well, this
23:22
Speaker 1: is the pick, and then it never works out that way.
23:24
Speaker 1: So I'm a little hesitant with this mentioned the Iowa
23:27
Speaker 1: tight ends. A couple of years ago, we were for
23:29
Speaker 1: sure the Jaguars are going to take Hutchinson and then
23:31
Speaker 1: Josh Allen falls them and things always shake up that way.
23:34
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't be upset if Evan Neil is on
23:38
Speaker 1: the podium in April, because this is gonna be your
23:40
Speaker 1: left tackle. We talk about the versatility he has on
23:42
Speaker 1: the offensive line, played a couple of positions. You're drafting
23:46
Speaker 1: him to be your left tackle, and you're happy about
23:48
Speaker 1: it because we've talked all year about giving Trevor Lawrence weapons.
23:52
Speaker 1: Protecting Trevor Lawrence. It's pretty obvious that's priority number one
23:55
Speaker 1: here in this building in the city. Here's your option
23:59
Speaker 1: protect Trevor lawre with this guy. Yeah. The thing that
24:01
Speaker 1: Renters said that really resonated to me and that people
24:05
Speaker 1: were talking about the combine and it applies to all
24:09
Speaker 1: three of these players the Jaguar in a year where
24:12
Speaker 1: there is not really an absolute standout, you know, there
24:18
Speaker 1: are questions about all three of these guys, and you
24:22
Speaker 1: hear wondering at the combine if any of them are
24:24
Speaker 1: truly generational in the way that Chase Young Trevor Lawrence Bossa,
24:30
Speaker 1: guys who you know, sort of look like Hall of
24:32
Speaker 1: famers right from the start, and you know Tvior doesn't
24:34
Speaker 1: look like that yet. You know my point, Um, in
24:37
Speaker 1: a year where there's not that uh, Aidan Hutchinson from
24:42
Speaker 1: what a lot of people talk about, seems to be
24:45
Speaker 1: the safer out of the three. So again, I wonder
24:48
Speaker 1: if Trent Balky and Doug Peterson might eventually go that direction, knowing, hey,
24:53
Speaker 1: we need to make sure this guy is at least good.
24:56
Speaker 1: We can't miss on this. That was a talk about
24:59
Speaker 1: Hutchinson and is that he was the most like that
25:02
Speaker 1: of any of the three guys. Just throw it out there, Slynn.
25:06
Speaker 1: If you grade these three players and one guy has
25:11
Speaker 1: a higher grade than the other two, take that guy
25:15
Speaker 1: because these are both positions of need, because they're going
25:18
Speaker 1: to be good football players. If not, you know, um uh,
25:21
Speaker 1: you know, generational talents and you can't go wrong. I mean,
25:25
Speaker 1: there's there's what was it we talked about yesterday. There's
25:28
Speaker 1: a couple of key positions, right the quarterback, the guy
25:31
Speaker 1: who protects him, the guy that rushes him, the receiver
25:33
Speaker 1: he throws too, and the guy who covers him right.
25:35
Speaker 1: So left tackle, defensive end, corner, wide receiver, and quarterback.
25:39
Speaker 1: You've got to be great there if you're going to
25:41
Speaker 1: be a great football team. Um, the three guys we've
25:45
Speaker 1: talked about fit those two positions. Yeah. And the more
25:47
Speaker 1: we talk about it and what we heard from the combine,
25:49
Speaker 1: when you ask draft analysts who's the best athlete, they
25:53
Speaker 1: all say Hutchinson. And Charles Davis made a great point. Okay, Well,
25:56
Speaker 1: if you're the Jaguars and you know you need an
25:58
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, could that be seen as reaching when you're
26:01
Speaker 1: not taking the best athlete on the board when you
26:04
Speaker 1: put it that way, Okay, the maybe Hudgson is the
26:06
Speaker 1: right pick at that point. It's got the highest grade taken. Ye.
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Speaker 1: So that has sell us on your number one overall pick.
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Speaker 1: All great options for the Jaguars. We're gonna talk about
26:14
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