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Rev. Lisamarie Boncek – The Ways to God: A Spiritual Mosaic · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, a true embodiment of mind, body,
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Speaker 1: spirit integration. My guest this week on Vox Novus. Reverend
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Speaker 1: Lisa Marie Bonsek is a healer, teacher, speaker, and near
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Speaker 1: death experiencer whose life's work is dedicated to awakening the
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Speaker 1: divine within. As the founder of Perfect Health and Balance,
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Speaker 1: She's created a sanctuary for holistic healing that blends spiritual
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Speaker 1: insight with ancient healing arts. Her vast expertise spans the
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Speaker 1: realms of massage, therapy, i her veda, intuitive energy, healing, yoga,
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Speaker 1: and meditation, guiding others to return to their true state
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Speaker 1: of wholeness. Her website is Perfect Health and Balance dot com,
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Speaker 1: and she joins me this week to share her path
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Speaker 1: and powerful contribution to the near death institutes. Soon to
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Speaker 1: be published book, The Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic
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Speaker 1: discovering God through many perspectives. Please join me in Welcoming
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Speaker 1: to vox Nobus, Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsek. Welcome, Reverend Lisa Marie.
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Speaker 2: Hi, thanks for having me today, Victor.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, happy to be here. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for joining us and sharing your remarkable story. So,
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Speaker 1: Reverend Lisa Marie, what was your early path like and
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Speaker 1: how did your experiences shape your understand life and spirit.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was raised in a single parent home by
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Speaker 2: my Italian mother, and we were raised in the Catholic faith.
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Speaker 2: Later on, when I was a teenager, we started going
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Speaker 2: to a Pentecostal church. My mother was very religious, very religious,
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Speaker 2: I mean she was at church five times a week. So,
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Speaker 2: but I always felt led at a very early age
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Speaker 2: by something higher, So I wasn't really totally influenced by
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Speaker 2: the religion I grew up. And because I had this
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Speaker 2: higher guidance and I was extremely, very very fiercely independent child.
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Speaker 2: So I ended up leaving home at sixteen searching just
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Speaker 2: for more and more independent and that was just where
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Speaker 2: I was being led. So and then I did a
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Speaker 2: lot of studies. I was in nursing school. I put
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Speaker 2: myself through nursing school and hairdressing school, and knowing the
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Speaker 2: feeling I had intuitively that I was going to be
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Speaker 2: very independent. I wanted to have something to always fall
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Speaker 2: back on. So I went to school and then realized
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Speaker 2: that I wanted to be I was being drawn to Ayerveda,
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Speaker 2: which is India's holistic medicine. So I started studying Ayrveda
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Speaker 2: after going to an Irveda clinic in Iowa when I
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Speaker 2: was twenty seven years old, and that's when I started.
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Speaker 2: When I was there that week, I learned transcendental meditation
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Speaker 2: while I was there, and I did the Pancha Karma treatments,
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Speaker 2: which are cleansing treatments and balancing of the body. That's
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Speaker 2: what ayr Veda is all about. So my journey, spiritual
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Speaker 2: journey really became very profound once I started meditating and
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Speaker 2: started the Irveda Irveda when I you know, discovered that. So,
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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, when I was in my twenties,
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Speaker 2: I was being drawn to Edgar Casey's books, you know,
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Speaker 2: the Sleeping Profit. I was being drawn to the Indian culture, Irveda,
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Speaker 2: and I was wondering why I was being drawn to
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Speaker 2: all that. But I was very interested in natural medicine
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Speaker 2: at a young age. Probably when since I was a teenager.
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Speaker 1: Getting back to the teenage years, what were the lessons
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Speaker 1: that you learned on self exp Russian and assertiveness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I taught myself well. I taught myself more when
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Speaker 2: I was out of the house at maybe twenty years old.
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Speaker 2: Because I was always self employed. I was always a motivated,
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Speaker 2: driven child, and I realized, coming from a very difficult
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Speaker 2: childhood with a difficult mother, that I was very passive.
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Speaker 2: So I had to train and teach myself. I wanted
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Speaker 2: to teach myself how to be assertive, but I also
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Speaker 2: wanted to be nice, so I had to figure out
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Speaker 2: and navigate how I was going to make that happen.
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Speaker 2: So I would listen to older people and how they
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Speaker 2: were talking and how they were introducing themselves to me,
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Speaker 2: and I just picked up little things that I liked
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Speaker 2: how you know, what they said. And I had to
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Speaker 2: practice speaking to older people or my clients. And because
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Speaker 2: people would say things in life that, you know, I
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Speaker 2: didn't want to let it go. I wanted to say
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Speaker 2: something without you know, without letting it go, so I
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Speaker 2: would and end up with a stomach ache and regret
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Speaker 2: it later wonder why I didn't say anything and speak
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Speaker 2: up for myself. So I just taught myself how to
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Speaker 2: be a bit more diplomatic, h keeping the kindness, but
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Speaker 2: getting my points across in a nice way, and cured
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Speaker 2: myself of that.
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Speaker 1: So in reality, it was a combination of self advocacy
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Speaker 1: and then but doing it in a proper way exactly
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Speaker 1: so that you didn't scare people, so that you didn't
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Speaker 1: scare people away, right, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, like putting you know, you know, just like somebody
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Speaker 2: would get to leave me a check. You know, it's high.
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Speaker 2: I've always had a hard time with money because you know,
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Speaker 2: I've got this thing where money is not at the
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Speaker 2: fore point. It's not it's not at the uh priority.
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Speaker 2: I should say, I'm always you know, as a minister.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm always doing you know, sir, I'm in service.
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Speaker 2: So it's I've always had that mindset, even as child,
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Speaker 2: even as a young adult. So I have a hard
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Speaker 2: time with with money or receiving money. So somebody that
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Speaker 2: forgot to leave a check, it's kind of hard to say,
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Speaker 2: you know, you forgot to pay me? How do you
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Speaker 2: say that? So I would send a message or a text.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if texting was we had it
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Speaker 2: back then, but I would say, you know, something like
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you didn't realize it, you know, or maybe
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Speaker 2: was there a check? Did you leave a check for me?
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Speaker 2: And maybe I didn't see it, you know. So I would,
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Speaker 2: you know, figure out a way to say things nicely
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Speaker 2: without sounding abrupt to abrupt or dealing with my difficult mother,
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Speaker 2: I would say, Ma, you know, I'm on your side,
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Speaker 2: So this way it would calm her and it would
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Speaker 2: kind of stop her in her tracks. And what can
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Speaker 2: you say? What can she say to that? You know?
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Speaker 2: She could only feel at peace? And that was my mission,
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Speaker 2: even as a young a young person or a teenager
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Speaker 2: or after the teenage years when I moved out. So
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Speaker 2: it's all about navigating life. And you know, when I
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Speaker 2: found out after you know, going skipping ahead to the NDEs,
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Speaker 2: you know, I found out we're all one collective consciousness,
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Speaker 2: so we're all in it together, and I just want
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Speaker 2: everybody to feel peaceful and not. I'm not person of confrontation.
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Speaker 2: I've never been. I avoid confrontation. So I had to
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Speaker 2: figure out a way to speak my mind or what
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Speaker 2: was what I was thinking, you know, without you know,
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Speaker 2: and make everybody happy, including myself.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you had mentioned the fact that your
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Speaker 1: spiritual acknowledgment, your spiritual calling was not necessarily one about compensation.
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Speaker 1: When I was in business many years ago, a friend
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Speaker 1: of mine knew the fact that I had become an
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Speaker 1: interfaith minister and reikihaling and spiritual work. And a friend
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Speaker 1: of mine in business said, how do you balance the
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Speaker 1: fact that you have this day job in industrial business,
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Speaker 1: industrial technology and this other stuff that you do. And
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Speaker 1: without even thinking about it, I said, the day job
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Speaker 1: pays my salary. The other work pays my soulery. This
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Speaker 1: word soulery came out of me. And I'm actually in
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Speaker 1: the process of writing a book now called Solary the
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Speaker 1: Compensation of spirit.
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Speaker 2: That is a perfect word. And I'm glad I just
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Speaker 2: learned that from you, because that's what it is. And
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Speaker 2: and in my earlier days, and I'm still a singer,
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Speaker 2: but I studied opera when I was in my twenties.
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Speaker 2: I put myself, I found the best uh and I
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Speaker 2: wanted the best teacher that I could get that can
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Speaker 2: train could train me rigorously. And I trained with the
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Speaker 2: late Pascual Papano, and I was training to be an
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Speaker 2: opera singer. So he was part of my journey to
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Speaker 2: uh coming out of my shell and the and being passive,
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Speaker 2: and he really that training really boosted my confidence. And uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, I've I was born with the gift of
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Speaker 2: a voice. It was just I want, I needed the training,
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Speaker 2: and I wanted to sing all different genres of music,
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Speaker 2: but I wanted the really the best training I could get,
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Speaker 2: and that was the opera training. Uh, So I sent.
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Speaker 2: I spent several years training with him three times a week,
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Speaker 2: which was part of just a wonderful journey. You know,
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Speaker 2: it kind of all goes together, you know, the creativity
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Speaker 2: part of me, you know, the spiritual it's all integrated together.
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Speaker 2: And it goes together with my healing practice with the Aerveda,
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Speaker 2: with the massage therapy, spiritual healing massage, the King Master,
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Speaker 2: you know healing it for me, It all it all
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Speaker 2: goes together absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Now getting back to the Araveda healing practice. First of all,
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Speaker 1: what attracted you to Areveda and the Hindu culture.
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Speaker 2: I saw I have been having stes spiritually transformative experience
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Speaker 2: since I was really young, So I just thought it
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Speaker 2: was normal, you know, I just didn't think I thought
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Speaker 2: everybody saw visions. I thought everybody had premonitions, you know,
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Speaker 2: or epiphanies, and I guess I found out later that
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Speaker 2: that's not totally true. So but for me, it was
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Speaker 2: the norm. You know. I had this higher guidance. I
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Speaker 2: was very in tune with my higher self, my soul,
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Speaker 2: you know, since a young age. I could feel the
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Speaker 2: energy in my hands sitting at the edge of my
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Speaker 2: bed when I was seven years old. So this goes
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Speaker 2: way back. And I am the only spiritual person and
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Speaker 2: on either side of my families. So I wasn't raised
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Speaker 2: even though my mother was very religious. But as you know,
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Speaker 2: religion and spirituality are different so Asian. So I found
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Speaker 2: out about ayr Veda through Deepak Chopra, the Irveda physician
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Speaker 2: that came to America from India. So I saw him
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Speaker 2: ironically on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and he was talking
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Speaker 2: about his book back then, Perfect Health, and I was
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Speaker 2: drawn to what he was saying. And he had a
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Speaker 2: pendulum in his hand and was telling Oprah to look
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Speaker 2: at it and concentrate on it and she was able
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Speaker 2: to make it move. And he was talking about the
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Speaker 2: power of the mind. And I was just drawn into that,
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Speaker 2: and then he was talking about meditation. So I bought
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Speaker 2: the book, resonated with it, with the different body types
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Speaker 2: and how it's just an imbalance of the body that
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Speaker 2: we have all these health issues that we actually think
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Speaker 2: are normal, like allergies and women problems and things like that,
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Speaker 2: and it's just really toxicity of the body. Bo he's
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Speaker 2: out of balance. I was a singer, so I was
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Speaker 2: burning the candle at both ends, you know. I had
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Speaker 2: my day job, self employment, and then I was singing
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Speaker 2: at night and it was turning my body off. And
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Speaker 2: that's what made me buy the book. I resonated with
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Speaker 2: the book and what he was saying and what Ayerveda
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Speaker 2: was all about. And then at the back of the book,
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Speaker 2: it listed some Irveda centers that were in the United States.
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Speaker 2: So I just chose the one in Iowa. I figured,
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Speaker 2: let me go see what Iowa was all about. And
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Speaker 2: I went there and it was only for five days,
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Speaker 2: but it was life changing. It was totally life change,
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Speaker 2: and I said, I've got to learn this, I've got
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Speaker 2: to study this. People need to know about this. I'm
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Speaker 2: about to write I'm now about to write a book
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Speaker 2: about that. Because there's so many things I've learned in
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Speaker 2: my life, and not only from Ayrveda, that are healing
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Speaker 2: modalities that nobody knows about. So while I was at
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Speaker 2: the center, they called somebody in that taught me the
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Speaker 2: MEDATM and then you had to do that for I
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Speaker 2: don't know, about a year and a half, for two
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Speaker 2: years before you could go into the advanced it's called
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Speaker 2: Cities program sid d Hi program to do the advanced
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Speaker 2: meditation of TM. So then I went further and did that,
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Speaker 2: which takes about an hour, you know, and you do
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Speaker 2: it twice a day. And that really brought me even
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Speaker 2: much further into my connection with the divine and my
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Speaker 2: higher self and you know, resonating with where nature started
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Speaker 2: following me. And then I had the Irveda on top
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Speaker 2: of it. So my body was cleansed, which is part
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Speaker 2: of raising your consciousness too, because ideally you want to
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Speaker 2: raise your vibration, raise your consciousness to be more at
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Speaker 2: a level of what we are as spirit spirit beings,
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Speaker 2: which is enlightened. And that was my goal, perfect health
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Speaker 2: and enlightenment. And it basically had twenty five then experienced
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Speaker 2: twenty five years of that. It was very very fortunate.
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Speaker 1: And for those not familiar with TM transcendental meditation, just
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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the practice.
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Speaker 2: Sure, it's the beginning one. You just have a mantra,
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Speaker 2: and a mantra is in layman's terms, it's just a word,
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Speaker 2: a word that is a sound, so it's gonna it
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Speaker 2: may sound a little strange to you, but it has
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Speaker 2: a vibration. The mantra, whatever the instructor gives you. I
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Speaker 2: think they go by age, you know something like that.
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Speaker 2: Part of it is by your age of what mantra
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Speaker 2: you're gonna get, and you do twenty minutes of that.
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Speaker 2: And I wasn't one to really I didn't think I
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Speaker 2: was gonna stick with it. But when I started meditating,
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Speaker 2: it just resonated with me. My body was telling me
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Speaker 2: I needed that and it was the best thing that
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Speaker 2: I could have ever done for my life. And so
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Speaker 2: it's twenty minutes twice a day for the beginners, and
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Speaker 2: then the advanced one. You have the twenty minute mantra,
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Speaker 2: your same mantra that I had already, and then you
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Speaker 2: have eighteen what they call sutras, which again are words
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Speaker 2: that resonate with the body. And at the end of
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Speaker 2: the advanced meditation. The city's program. There is a ten
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Speaker 2: minute part that they call the flying and there's a levitation.
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Speaker 2: There's the different sutras for that section at the end,
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Speaker 2: and some people are levitating, some people are hopping in
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Speaker 2: a lotus position, hopping so many feet in the air.
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Speaker 2: And it is true, it is true because I've experienced that.
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Speaker 1: How may mindfulness help us to transcend the emotional component
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Speaker 1: of difficult memories?
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Speaker 2: Well, the mindfulness of the meditation, it quiets and calms
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Speaker 2: your mind for you to go within, to tap into
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Speaker 2: your higher self, which is your higher self is directly
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Speaker 2: connected to God source, the I am Creator. So that's
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Speaker 2: what you want. You want to go where that direct
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Speaker 2: connection is to God. So being in that mindful state
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Speaker 2: of existence with the meditation quiet's the mind. Therefore, and
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Speaker 2: then you know, like I didn't have a father figure
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Speaker 2: in my life, just for an example, I didn't think
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Speaker 2: it ever bothered me. I didn't think it bothered me
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Speaker 2: until I started meditating, and the memory came up and
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Speaker 2: from the back of my from the subconscious mind, and
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Speaker 2: it came out of my subconscious mind. It was buried
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Speaker 2: in there and it came forward and out, never to
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Speaker 2: be thought of again, and that needs to happen. And
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Speaker 2: that's what meditation does. It lets you heal from anything
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Speaker 2: that maybe interrupting your path to go forward. You know.
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Speaker 2: So now whatever happened in my childhood that wasn't ideal,
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Speaker 2: I practiced forgiveness. Forgiveness is another mile of mindful thing too, forgiveness, gratitude.
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Speaker 2: You know, I found out in my endes that you know, uh,
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Speaker 2: everything is already pre planned of you know, I planned
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Speaker 2: a lot of it before I got here as my
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Speaker 2: higher soul to experience certain things, including picking my parents
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Speaker 2: to go through certain lessons and experiences and for them
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Speaker 2: to also go through experiences. So I really am a
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Speaker 2: firm believer and of forgiveness for healing childhood stuff, gratitude
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Speaker 2: for the experiences. The gratitude really shifts the energy of anything.
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Speaker 2: Even when I had COVID a few years ago, I
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Speaker 2: had it pretty bad. So not until I went into
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Speaker 2: gratitude did things shift for me and I started getting
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Speaker 2: better Because we are here to experience these difficult things.
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Speaker 2: I had a lot of loss in my life. The
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Speaker 2: loss seems to be my theme, you know, So I
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Speaker 2: just go to gratitude that it helps for me in
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Speaker 2: particular because I've had the MD and so I know
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Speaker 2: there's no there is no death, and we're all going
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Speaker 2: to see each other again, So it's easy for me, easier, easier.
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Speaker 2: I'm still in a human body. The human body has
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Speaker 2: what I call negative emotions. When I was out of
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Speaker 2: my body, there are no negative emotions. As a soul farm,
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Speaker 2: there's only blisconsciousness, which is you for a happiness. There's
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Speaker 2: only love. I mean, we are love, and it's not
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Speaker 2: a love we have here. You know, if I had
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Speaker 2: to describe it, it's like the love for your children,
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Speaker 2: or you have a love of love of your life
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Speaker 2: sould me. You have to multiply that by fifty thousand
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Speaker 2: and honestly, there are no human words to describe that love.
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Speaker 2: And it's divine love. That's what I call it.
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Speaker 1: And we're going to talk more about your near death
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Speaker 1: experience when we come back into the next segment. My
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Speaker 1: guests Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsik. She's contributing to the book
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Speaker 1: The Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic discovering God through
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Speaker 1: many perspectives. Rever Lisa Marie, please share with our listeners
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Speaker 1: they can find out more about you and your work,
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Speaker 1: and also the book.
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Speaker 2: I got an email from the publisher and she said,
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Speaker 2: Lisa Marie, I've been trying to get you for two years.
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Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I think, I think I remember you
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Speaker 2: sending me an email. You know. She said, I thought
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Speaker 2: you were supposed to be on my last book. And
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Speaker 2: I said, well, I guess not. Everything is in die
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Speaker 2: divine order. I know that for a fact. So she says,
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Speaker 2: I want You've been channeled. She said it was channel
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Speaker 2: to her that I be part of this book. I said, okay,
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Speaker 2: so what's the title? When she said The Ways to God,
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Speaker 2: it just resonated right to my soul. I knew in
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Speaker 2: an instant that I was supposed to be a part
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Speaker 2: of this book. And it has been a wonderful journey.
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Speaker 2: The book has the author's all. All of the authors
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Speaker 2: have had incredible their death experiences or spiritually transformative experiences,
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Speaker 2: and it's a great book. It's coming out on the
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Speaker 2: twenty eighth of this month, June.
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Speaker 1: What is your website and how can people find out
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Speaker 1: more about you and your work?
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Speaker 2: My website is Perfect Healthandbalance dot com.
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Speaker 1: Back on Vox Novius, my guest this week is Reverend
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Speaker 1: Lisa Marie Bonsek. We're going to be talking about her
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Speaker 1: near death experience and her contribution to the book The
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Speaker 1: Ways to God, a spiritual mosaic Discovering God through many perspectives.
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Speaker 1: Reverend Lisa Marie, your near death experience occurred in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Please share with our listeners what happened and what you experienced.
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Speaker 2: Well, Like I was saying, I had line disease and
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Speaker 2: a lot of complications from that, you know, it was
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Speaker 2: coming from being the epitome of epitome of health. And
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Speaker 2: then this struck me, and I tell you, I was
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Speaker 2: shocked that my path would change so swiftly from one
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Speaker 2: thing to another. So I got bit by a tick
24:52
Speaker 2: and I didn't catch it right away. Long story shore,
24:55
Speaker 2: I ended up with a lot of complications from that,
24:58
Speaker 2: and then I started having a huge problem with not
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Speaker 2: producing cortisol, and that was what really created than their
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Speaker 2: death experiences. And immediately that day in question, I started
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Speaker 2: feeling lighter and lighter in my body, and I started
25:18
Speaker 2: hearing a wishing sound in my body and I didn't
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Speaker 2: know what it was. And then later on that night,
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Speaker 2: I was laying down and I just felt that lightness
25:29
Speaker 2: and I guess getting lighter until I was light as air,
25:32
Speaker 2: and I felt my soul come out of my body.
25:36
Speaker 2: It just resurrected out of my body between like i'd say,
25:39
Speaker 2: between my chest and my head, somewhere there. And I
25:43
Speaker 2: just instantly I could feel myself separating from my body.
25:47
Speaker 2: And I remember instantly so many things going on at once.
25:53
Speaker 2: All the divine knowledge was there for me. There were
25:56
Speaker 2: no more secrets anymore, and I felt like my life
26:00
Speaker 2: was done. And it was a snap of a finger,
26:04
Speaker 2: but quicker than a snap of a finger, I felt
26:08
Speaker 2: my lifetime, this lifetime right here. That's how fast. It
26:11
Speaker 2: went by, and it meant nothing. It wasn't important anymore.
26:15
Speaker 2: I was done now, I was getting my reward, and
26:20
Speaker 2: I was released. I was free, I was enlightened, and
26:25
Speaker 2: I was huge. I was expanded, this expanded consciousness that
26:29
Speaker 2: filled up the whole room, and I was just I
26:34
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was bliss consciousness. I was up
26:37
Speaker 2: a happiness that if I had a face it would
26:39
Speaker 2: have been. I was beamed up, you know, with this instant,
26:44
Speaker 2: permanent bright smile, and I was laughing. I was constantly laughing,
26:53
Speaker 2: and I instantly noticed that I turned into this magnificent love.
26:59
Speaker 2: And then I noticed that there was this light coming
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Speaker 2: from me. It was coming off of me, like eight
27:09
Speaker 2: or ten inches away from me. I felt this golden light,
27:12
Speaker 2: and I knew right away that I was getting the
27:15
Speaker 2: knowing or the information that I was going to be
27:18
Speaker 2: a healer, or that I was a healer. And then
27:23
Speaker 2: instantly Jesus came swooped down in front of me, put
27:30
Speaker 2: his hands out and said no, like it's not your time.
27:36
Speaker 2: And at the same time, archangel Michael, who was like
27:40
Speaker 2: I Doro twelve to fifteen feet tall, was to the
27:44
Speaker 2: left of me, and I could sense and feel. And
27:48
Speaker 2: before this I never believed with angels and angels with wings.
27:51
Speaker 2: So he had these humongous wings, ginormous wings that enveloped
27:58
Speaker 2: the side of me on the left, and I could
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Speaker 2: feel the intricate, little tiny feathers within the feathers. I mean,
28:06
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that. So he was assisting in the
28:10
Speaker 2: healing with Jesus, and then my higher self was also
28:16
Speaker 2: assisting them in my body's healing. At the same time,
28:22
Speaker 2: like I was saying, I was speaking a different language.
28:24
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Aramaic, I don't know,
28:27
Speaker 2: but it was fluent and that language. There was a theme,
28:32
Speaker 2: and I knew that I was praying for my own healing,
28:35
Speaker 2: my body's healing. At the same time, the angels, hundreds
28:41
Speaker 2: of angels were there saying together, this is the day
28:46
Speaker 2: that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be
28:48
Speaker 2: glad in it. At the same time, I sensed Mother
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Speaker 2: Mary up on my front left. I didn't pay attention
28:55
Speaker 2: to it, there was just so much going on. And
28:57
Speaker 2: then other angels I believe it was Gabriel and Raphael
29:03
Speaker 2: on my back on my right side. So while the
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Speaker 2: healing was going on, Like I say, fifty things are
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Speaker 2: happening at once. I was being shown everything. I was
29:19
Speaker 2: being shown humanity, I was being shown my purpose. I
29:21
Speaker 2: was being getting downloads for friends. You know now that
29:26
Speaker 2: I was this expanded consciousness. All the information was being
29:31
Speaker 2: downloaded to me. And I was speaking to the divine
29:34
Speaker 2: beings and God, which I will tell you about through telepathy.
29:39
Speaker 2: So telepathy is just thought to thought, which is so
29:43
Speaker 2: much easier than speaking with a mouth. Speaking with a
29:46
Speaker 2: mouth is a lot of work, and once you experienced telepathy,
29:51
Speaker 2: so I would ask a question and it would be
29:53
Speaker 2: answered before I could even finish the thought. So at
29:57
Speaker 2: the same time, I was being shown my future, and
30:01
Speaker 2: I was watching myself, which was very cool. I saw
30:04
Speaker 2: the right side of myself in the back of myself,
30:07
Speaker 2: and in my future, I was a spiritual speaker and
30:11
Speaker 2: I was talking. I could still see the audience in
30:13
Speaker 2: front of me, and I had a presentation screen behind me,
30:19
Speaker 2: which I didn't know how to do any of that
30:20
Speaker 2: back then. You know, I was a singer, so I
30:23
Speaker 2: had that create a part of me. So I saw
30:27
Speaker 2: my future. I knew that was the truth. I knew
30:30
Speaker 2: what they were showing me was the truth and whatever
30:32
Speaker 2: I was singing was going to happen. But I didn't
30:34
Speaker 2: know how it was going to happen, or how I
30:37
Speaker 2: was going to get to that day, in that moment
30:39
Speaker 2: in time that they showed me. But while I was
30:41
Speaker 2: watching myself, I noticed I used about ten words that
30:44
Speaker 2: I didn't even understand. So I thought to myself and
30:47
Speaker 2: I was laughing. I was like, gee, I sound so intelligent.
30:50
Speaker 2: I was laughing because I didn't understand some of the
30:54
Speaker 2: words I was saying. You know, little did I know
30:56
Speaker 2: I was going to go in the seminary and get
30:59
Speaker 2: my master's into viny, so there could be words from
31:01
Speaker 2: there that I learned. I don't know, but those those words,
31:05
Speaker 2: I just hadn't learned yet, some of those words. So
31:09
Speaker 2: that was fascinating to me. So I saw what I
31:11
Speaker 2: was wearing. I saw the way I would be, my
31:15
Speaker 2: hair and everything, and you know, and Jesus was telling
31:17
Speaker 2: me that I was going to be completely cured. And
31:20
Speaker 2: I'd been sick for many years, not able to get
31:23
Speaker 2: out of this state of chronic fatigue and chronic pain.
31:27
Speaker 2: So he was telling me my hair was going to
31:29
Speaker 2: grow back, and my blood work was going to look different,
31:34
Speaker 2: and I didn't need to worry about anything, and I
31:36
Speaker 2: trusted that. And I didn't even get medical help after
31:40
Speaker 2: that experience, and the doctor wanted to hospitalize me. So
31:44
Speaker 2: long story short, you know, I was watching my future
31:46
Speaker 2: and I know what I was saying. I was talking
31:48
Speaker 2: about ayr Veda and how people could keel through ayer Veda.
31:51
Speaker 2: I actually said to myself, Oh, my gosh, I sound
31:54
Speaker 2: like Wayne Dyer. You know everybody, most people know who
31:58
Speaker 2: Wayne Dyer is, and I thought that was kind of strange,
32:03
Speaker 2: you know. And I was talking about Ayurveda healing and
32:08
Speaker 2: I was like a motivational spiritual speaker. And I also
32:15
Speaker 2: felt physically. I could feel physically the health of my
32:19
Speaker 2: body in my future, and I realized that I was
32:23
Speaker 2: healthier and more energetic than even before I gotten sick,
32:29
Speaker 2: which really intrigued me. So I was thinking, well, how
32:33
Speaker 2: am I going to get there? I was in such
32:35
Speaker 2: bad shape, and so this is what was shown to me.
32:38
Speaker 2: And I was given that opportunity to see that and
32:41
Speaker 2: see that my path was going to change and my
32:44
Speaker 2: life was going to change. And I also noticed I
32:47
Speaker 2: was using a few off colored words. And I always
32:50
Speaker 2: feel the need to bring this up. And because I
32:54
Speaker 2: had meditated for so long, you know, thirty years, and
32:57
Speaker 2: I had this you know, raised consciousness, and I had
33:01
Speaker 2: I was my goal was more of a Christ's consciousness,
33:04
Speaker 2: bliss consciousness, and with that comes a purity of your soul.
33:10
Speaker 2: You get this purity, which is great, and it's great
33:13
Speaker 2: for me to live that life. But when I noticed
33:19
Speaker 2: I used a few off colored words, that was really
33:21
Speaker 2: a shock to me. So I said to Jesus, what
33:25
Speaker 2: is up with that? And he said to me something
33:28
Speaker 2: very profound. He said, first of all, you came here
33:32
Speaker 2: to learn compassion, and I think he was trying to
33:35
Speaker 2: tell me number one, that I decided that way before
33:37
Speaker 2: I came here as my higher self soul, before I
33:40
Speaker 2: went into my body. Secondly, I think he was trying
33:44
Speaker 2: to tell me that there's a lot of suffering that
33:46
Speaker 2: comes with that, because even though I had compassion before
33:49
Speaker 2: I'd gotten sick, it's not the level of compassion that
33:53
Speaker 2: I have now, and the understanding of what people are
33:56
Speaker 2: going through with illnesses, like the patient that come to
34:00
Speaker 2: me now with cancer. I had a woman, a young
34:03
Speaker 2: woman that lost her newborn baby. I mean, this is heavy,
34:07
Speaker 2: ginormous loss and now they're coming to me. Everybody's brought
34:12
Speaker 2: to me through divine intervention. And I am here with
34:17
Speaker 2: a much greater understanding because of my suffering for so
34:20
Speaker 2: many years and what I've gained and learned from that suffering,
34:24
Speaker 2: of how I could better help people now with this
34:28
Speaker 2: much deeper level of compassion to deal with anything that
34:33
Speaker 2: comes my way, so I can help them navigate how
34:37
Speaker 2: they're going to get through and how they're going to heal.
34:40
Speaker 2: So Jesus said to me, you know, you came here
34:43
Speaker 2: to learn compassion. And while I was watching myself speak,
34:49
Speaker 2: there was also a theme to the speaking engagements, and
34:52
Speaker 2: in big letters before me, it said hope. So I
34:58
Speaker 2: knew my purpose was speaking to people and I was
35:02
Speaker 2: to give them hope. And that was that's why I
35:05
Speaker 2: was meant to stay here and continue my journey. And
35:11
Speaker 2: my journey changed completely. I had a total change of careers.
35:15
Speaker 2: It totally my life went in a totally different direction.
35:19
Speaker 2: After these experiences, which were really profound, I was completely healed.
35:24
Speaker 2: Some things were I was completely healed, like immediately, but
35:28
Speaker 2: the fatigue took longer. I took up to a year.
35:31
Speaker 2: I was in bad shape with that. But it finally
35:33
Speaker 2: went in to where my cortisol levels were finally normal,
35:37
Speaker 2: which is told was told to me that I would
35:40
Speaker 2: never be normal. I would never be normal again, and
35:42
Speaker 2: you know, I'd have to take medication for the rest
35:45
Speaker 2: of my life, you know, to function to any sort
35:48
Speaker 2: of normalcy, you know, because I was basically at Addison's disease.
35:55
Speaker 2: But I was completely healed and I'm very strong now.
35:59
Speaker 2: But I have to tell you I'm not at the
36:01
Speaker 2: strength and the energy that I was in my future
36:06
Speaker 2: because that particular day that I saw hasn't come yet.
36:11
Speaker 2: And so I have to tell you a funny story.
36:13
Speaker 2: I was on a plane last year and the plane,
36:16
Speaker 2: while we were in flight, it seemed to just drop
36:18
Speaker 2: from the in the sky and everybody was screaming. They
36:21
Speaker 2: everybody thought they were going to die. I ironically was
36:24
Speaker 2: meditating at that moment that the plane dropped, and so
36:29
Speaker 2: it was very calm, and the lady next to me
36:32
Speaker 2: and her husband or whoever he was, they were just
36:36
Speaker 2: embracing each other. I thought they were going to die.
36:38
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going to happen. And she
36:40
Speaker 2: was saying to me because I started talking to her
36:42
Speaker 2: to calm them. Down, and she said to me, you're
36:45
Speaker 2: the calmest one on this plane. And I said, I
36:47
Speaker 2: have to tell you this. I had a near death
36:49
Speaker 2: experience and I saw my future and that particular day
36:54
Speaker 2: hasn't come yet, hasn't happened yet. So well, you know
36:57
Speaker 2: what that means. I'm not going to die on this plane.
37:00
Speaker 2: So that means you're not going to die on this
37:02
Speaker 2: plane today.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful.
37:04
Speaker 2: Then her husband are probably still talking about that interaction
37:08
Speaker 2: they had.
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Speaker 1: With me, Reverend Lisa Marie. There's an ancient parable from
37:12
Speaker 1: the Vedas in which Brahma was hearing the complaints of
37:16
Speaker 1: the Hindu deities about humans also having divine powers. They
37:21
Speaker 1: were urging Brahma to hide these powers from humans atop
37:24
Speaker 1: the highest mountains or at the bottom of the deepest seas.
37:28
Speaker 1: Brahma responded that humans would eventually find them there. He
37:32
Speaker 1: then said he would hide the divinity inside of humans
37:36
Speaker 1: because they would never think of looking for them.
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Speaker 2: There.
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Speaker 1: Did your near death experience reveal the divinity within?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, the one This is with God. We are
37:48
Speaker 2: our souls, we are one with God. And that was
37:52
Speaker 2: and you know, every religion starts with somebody that who
37:55
Speaker 2: has had a spiritual, a mystical experience, I should say,
38:03
Speaker 2: and I will read if I can find it quickly,
38:07
Speaker 2: the part in my book The Ways to God. What
38:11
Speaker 2: I say about that, because indeed, all the religions have
38:16
Speaker 2: started with somebody who has a mystical experience, and then
38:19
Speaker 2: the religions put all rules, you know, start adding rules.
38:22
Speaker 2: So Moses' experience is awakening and encounter with God. While
38:26
Speaker 2: alone in the mountains. Buddha sat under the body tree
38:30
Speaker 2: for years before he could say I am awake. Jesus
38:35
Speaker 2: was in the wilderness for forty days and forty nine
38:37
Speaker 2: before he could say, I and the Father are one.
38:42
Speaker 2: Mohammed came to hear God's voice via the angel Gabriel
38:45
Speaker 2: while meditating in a cave. Okay, so Jesus said, I
38:48
Speaker 2: and the Father are one. And that was my experience.
38:51
Speaker 2: When I left my body, I became one with God
38:55
Speaker 2: and God spoke to me. God was in the distance
38:58
Speaker 2: during this healing, allowing this healing to happen for me.
39:02
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure that they had to get permission,
39:05
Speaker 2: I would imagine, to let this happen for me to
39:08
Speaker 2: have this NDE experience. And God said to me and
39:12
Speaker 2: he called me Lisa Marie. He said, he said, it's
39:15
Speaker 2: in my time, Lisa Marie, not yours. I will never
39:18
Speaker 2: forget that. Yeah, I'll never forget that. And I felt,
39:23
Speaker 2: and I didn't know that before my nds Victor that
39:27
Speaker 2: you know, I thought God was separate, you know. It
39:30
Speaker 2: was like God was the pie, the whole, the whole
39:34
Speaker 2: of the universe, of whatever, all the unit I figured out.
39:37
Speaker 2: I found out there was many universes, many planets, many
39:41
Speaker 2: universes that we don't even know about. It's so advanced
39:43
Speaker 2: over there, so advanced. And I was a piece of
39:49
Speaker 2: the pie. God was the pie, the whole. I was
39:52
Speaker 2: a sliver of that pie. But so that means my
39:57
Speaker 2: spirit is a part of God, or is God. And
40:02
Speaker 2: now it went back into this body and got buried
40:04
Speaker 2: and smothered and limited in a body. And now once
40:10
Speaker 2: I went back to my body, I was turned off
40:12
Speaker 2: from all the magnificent divine information that I was being given,
40:19
Speaker 2: you know. So you know, first of all, I found
40:22
Speaker 2: out we don't die. Our spirit continues on. And I
40:25
Speaker 2: have to tell you, and I want people to know
40:27
Speaker 2: this that I didn't lose a lot of people say
40:30
Speaker 2: they lose their identity when they leave their body. I
40:33
Speaker 2: didn't lose my identity. What I became was my best self.
40:38
Speaker 2: I was void of the human body, limitations, all of
40:43
Speaker 2: the negative emotions, you know, just even time, because we're
40:48
Speaker 2: on we have circadian rhythms and our bodies that we
40:51
Speaker 2: have to go by. We have to go by, you know,
40:54
Speaker 2: light and darkness of the earth, you know time. And
40:59
Speaker 2: when I left my body, there was no time. I
41:02
Speaker 2: The way I try to explain it is I was
41:04
Speaker 2: in the now, and I've had moments of being in
41:07
Speaker 2: the now as a meditator, so I can say that
41:12
Speaker 2: that's what it was. When you're in a spirit form,
41:14
Speaker 2: you're just in the now and you're just being being
41:18
Speaker 2: and in this perfect love. So you know, I was
41:22
Speaker 2: even being shown people that I won't go into the details,
41:27
Speaker 2: but situations in my life, and I was being shown how,
41:31
Speaker 2: in a spirit form, how I was turning that situation
41:36
Speaker 2: into a very loving situation. No matter how bad it was,
41:41
Speaker 2: I was able to turn it into a loving situation.
41:47
Speaker 2: So when you know God, God had an authoritative voice,
41:52
Speaker 2: but I wasn't afraid of him. It was a male
41:57
Speaker 2: voice for me. It was a male voice. You could
42:01
Speaker 2: feel the power you can feel, you know, the omniscience
42:06
Speaker 2: of God. And I was, you know, we were in
42:12
Speaker 2: the bliss consciousness, both of us. So even though he
42:16
Speaker 2: said what he said to me whatever, I totally understood it,
42:19
Speaker 2: just how I understood what Jesus was saying to me
42:22
Speaker 2: about the humor with the off colored words he said
42:27
Speaker 2: it being on earth is very important in my work
42:31
Speaker 2: and whatever to have humor, And how important it was
42:36
Speaker 2: that whatever I was saying. You know, he said to me,
42:40
Speaker 2: you're too pure and you need to be able to
42:41
Speaker 2: relate to the people on earth. And so I'm like, okay,
42:45
Speaker 2: So I did all that meditation for nothing.
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Speaker 1: My guest is Reverend Lisa Marie Bonsek. We'll be back
42:53
Speaker 1: with more after these words on the Old Times Radio Network.
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Speaker 1: Back on Vox Novis, my guest this week is Reverend
43:31
Speaker 1: Lisa Marie Bonsek. We're talking about her near death experience
43:36
Speaker 1: and her contribution to the book The Ways to God,
43:38
Speaker 1: a spiritual mosaic discovering God through many perspectives. You know,
43:44
Speaker 1: one of the things you were talking before, we were
43:46
Speaker 1: talking about the parable about Brahma and hiding the divinity.
43:51
Speaker 1: There's the Hindu word, the greeting Nama Stay translates as
43:56
Speaker 1: the divinity within me bows and acknowledges the abnity within you.
44:01
Speaker 1: Should we all start bowing to one another and saying, Mama, stay.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. What I found out on the other side is
44:10
Speaker 2: we are all one collective consciousness. It's not about religion.
44:15
Speaker 2: If I had to say there was a religion, the
44:17
Speaker 2: religion was love. It was just love and in our
44:20
Speaker 2: spirit forms, and when we go back home, we are love.
44:25
Speaker 2: And that is the greatest tool you can have on earth,
44:30
Speaker 2: in your earthly body, human form, to manage any situation
44:35
Speaker 2: in your life. You know, we are here for the drama.
44:38
Speaker 2: We're here for all the negativity. The earth has a
44:40
Speaker 2: lot a negative vibration. It's a lower vibration then you know,
44:45
Speaker 2: so we are all you know. I think the souls
44:48
Speaker 2: that have chosen to come here are very advanced souls
44:52
Speaker 2: that chose a difficult journey, and we have to remember
44:56
Speaker 2: that and it's tough to navigate. So having that the
45:04
Speaker 2: tools like love and gratitude and forgiveness comes to your
45:10
Speaker 2: advantage to navigate situations that are very difficult in life.
45:15
Speaker 2: Like other people, you're going to encounter people that are negative,
45:18
Speaker 2: You're going to encounter issues with people. It's just an
45:21
Speaker 2: everyday occurrence.
45:23
Speaker 1: We share the connection of having studied and been ordained
45:26
Speaker 1: through a common interfaith heritage. And when I was attending
45:30
Speaker 1: the New Seminary back in nineteen ninety five, one of
45:33
Speaker 1: the things that we were taught was that there is
45:36
Speaker 1: an iteration of the Golden Rule in virtually every faith
45:40
Speaker 1: and belief system. How would it change the world if
45:43
Speaker 1: this recognition was embraced by everybody.
45:47
Speaker 2: We'd have world peace. Well ever, even have world peace,
45:51
Speaker 2: because everybody would recognize if they awakened, If everybody was
45:55
Speaker 2: awakened to their true self, which is their spirit form,
45:58
Speaker 2: which is just love, you for a happiness, bliss, consciousness
46:03
Speaker 2: and peace and a divine being. We are a divine being,
46:07
Speaker 2: spiritual beings having a human experience. So you know, it's
46:11
Speaker 2: just that a lot some people just don't know that
46:13
Speaker 2: they can awaken to that. And if we all were
46:17
Speaker 2: awakened to that, we'd have world peace.
46:18
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, absolutely.
46:21
Speaker 2: We'd be loving one another, helping one another instead of
46:25
Speaker 2: dividing one another, which has been going on in the
46:27
Speaker 2: last five years. I mean, the last five years have
46:29
Speaker 2: been so difficult. You know, I'm counseling people, counseling families
46:34
Speaker 2: that they're choosing politics over love, like what happened, What happened,
46:40
Speaker 2: you know, So people need to wake up to whatever,
46:44
Speaker 2: you know, to that state of love who they really are,
46:46
Speaker 2: and that would change everything. But I don't know if
46:49
Speaker 2: it's going to happen in my lifetime or your lifetime, victor.
46:52
Speaker 1: What have been some of your experiences as an interfaith
46:55
Speaker 1: minister and spiritual counselor Oh.
46:58
Speaker 2: It's just been I chose that because I'd had them
47:02
Speaker 2: their death experience when I found out we were all
47:07
Speaker 2: there was no religion on the other side per se.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's ascended masters, there's you know, people with
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Speaker 2: a higher vibration that have that come here. I was
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Speaker 2: even told that I came here to be a helper,
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Speaker 2: you know, and probably who knows how many lifetimes too.
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Speaker 2: So that being said, I chose I wanted to help everybody.
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to help just Christians the way I
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Speaker 2: was brought up. And what happened was, I've just had
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Speaker 2: amazing things happened to me, and it's all orchestrated by God.
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Speaker 2: I'm on a mission for God. That's what my mission is.
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Speaker 2: And I out of the blue, I'll give you an example.
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Speaker 2: Out of the blue, somebody calls me and they didn't
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Speaker 2: know I was a reverend, and they just somebody called
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Speaker 2: the business and to order a lymphatic massage. And I
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Speaker 2: went to the house because I do a lot of
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Speaker 2: house calls, and I was taking my massage table out
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Speaker 2: of my truck and the guy comes out and he says,
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Speaker 2: do you don't need your massage table? You don't need
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Speaker 2: your massage tab. I'll explain when you come in. This
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Speaker 2: was one of the divine, big, divine moments of my life.
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Speaker 2: And I walked in and he says to me, he's
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Speaker 2: the brother of the person he wants to get the
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Speaker 2: lymphatic massage he says, I have to tell you, my
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Speaker 2: thirty four year old sister is on her deathbed, in
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Speaker 2: a hospital bed in her bedroom. And I know immediately
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Speaker 2: because I get these waves that come over me from
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Speaker 2: the other side, from Heaven that tell me that this
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Speaker 2: is a divine moment in my life. I'm supposed to
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Speaker 2: be there. So what are the chances? Now, these people
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Speaker 2: are Muslims. They're talking about they're saying the word Allah
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Speaker 2: as the name for God. And I thanked God for
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Speaker 2: studying all of the religions so that at that moment
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Speaker 2: in time, I knew what they were talking about when
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Speaker 2: they said Allah. These people were very religious. The family
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Speaker 2: was so close. They were just such a wonderful, loving family.
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Speaker 2: And I went in there and did my thing, and
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Speaker 2: somebody asked the dying girl asked me, now, asked me
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Speaker 2: in front of the dying girl about my near death experience,
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Speaker 2: because somehow it had come up. Maybe I told one
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Speaker 2: of them, I don't remember, So she asked me, and
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Speaker 2: the dying girl was out of it, and all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden she opened her eyes listened to my experience
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Speaker 2: and how it felt. I think the girl had said,
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Speaker 2: you know, how did it feel? To leave your body,
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Speaker 2: and I explained how wonderful it was, and the dying
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Speaker 2: girl had a look on her face like she was
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Speaker 2: so relieved that now she was ready to leave her body.
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Speaker 2: So now I'm getting premonitions because I'm not doing only massage.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing healing on people. That is the other thing
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Speaker 2: I do. So because I came back with healing abilities
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Speaker 2: and channeling abilities, I channeled the divine. So as I
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Speaker 2: was doing healing on her at the top of her head,
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Speaker 2: I kept hearing from the divine. You know, I normally
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Speaker 2: give people hope, and the divine knows that God knows
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Speaker 2: that about me, and I kept hearing very emphatically, do
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Speaker 2: not give the family hope. This, in other words, this
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Speaker 2: was her time, and there was no There wasn't going
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Speaker 2: to be a miracle. The miracle was going to be
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Speaker 2: that she was going to die and she was going
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Speaker 2: to be in her spirit form and she was going home.
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Speaker 2: That was the miracle. And the brother kept talking to
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Speaker 2: me and saying, lista, Marie, I know you believe in miracles.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know you know we could heal her
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Speaker 2: with some natural remedy that you have and you know,
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Speaker 2: and I just I was being held back from talking.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't even say the words to give hope. Spirit, God,
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Speaker 2: the divine was even holding my words back. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this was really profound. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: you know, the doctors had said to them that she
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Speaker 2: had months to live. So I took them aside. I
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Speaker 2: took the brother and the mother of the dying girl
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Speaker 2: who was dying of cancer, and I took them aside,
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Speaker 2: and I just started channeling information. And I said to
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Speaker 2: the brother, I cannot give you hope. And I know
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Speaker 2: I would, but I can't give you hope because I'm
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Speaker 2: hearing and I'm feeling that she does not have months
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Speaker 2: to live. That a week a week felt like a
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Speaker 2: long time to me, and I knew that she was
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Speaker 2: going to die within and I had been there for
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Speaker 2: several days. They had called me back, and so I
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Speaker 2: was there for several times, and this was I was
51:58
Speaker 2: talking to this time station was happening the last day
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Speaker 2: I was there, and I knew. I had this knowing.
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Speaker 2: I call it the knowing that a week felt like
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Speaker 2: a long time. She was given several months to live,
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Speaker 2: and I knew, and I told them the family that
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Speaker 2: within two or three days of when I was going
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Speaker 2: to be leaving that day. It was going to be
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Speaker 2: her time, and it happened. I told the family that
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Speaker 2: the divine there was divine beings in the room that
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Speaker 2: I could feel and sense and see. I wanted them
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Speaker 2: to know that. And then she died two days after
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Speaker 2: I left. But I told the family, which it was
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Speaker 2: just a knowing, that you need to go in there,
52:49
Speaker 2: and it was very important for them. She was holding
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Speaker 2: on for them, you know. She was telling the people
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Speaker 2: sitting next to her, Oh, you know, go to get
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Speaker 2: a drink of water. You'll feel better. You'll I'll make
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Speaker 2: you feel better. This girl is dying. And this is
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Speaker 2: what tells you how evolved her soul was that she
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Speaker 2: was caring more about other people than her own suffering.
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Speaker 2: She was dying, She was in the active stage of dying.
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Speaker 2: So I said to them, you need to go tell
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Speaker 2: her that it's okay to leave now. She needs to
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Speaker 2: be out of her suffering. She needs to be out
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Speaker 2: of her suffering. I explained to them how much she
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Speaker 2: was suffering and in the pain she was in, and
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Speaker 2: I recalled my own suffering and why it was so
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Speaker 2: important for me to go through my own suffering to
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Speaker 2: understand what the dying was going through. What you know,
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Speaker 2: It was just everything happens at a timing. Everything is
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Speaker 2: in God's timing, and life has a timing. And I
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Speaker 2: know I was brought at that timing versus years before,
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Speaker 2: you know, so I had the experience of suffering the
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Speaker 2: deep compassion that I have now. It was just the
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Speaker 2: timing was perfect, and you know, I said to them,
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Speaker 2: you need to go in, and they must have done
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Speaker 2: that after I left, and then she was able to
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Speaker 2: leave her body and a couple of days.
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Speaker 1: Later, everything unfolding in divine order. My guest Reverend Lisa
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Speaker 1: Marie Bonsek. She's contributed to the book The Ways to God,
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Speaker 1: a spiritual mosaic discovering God through many perspectives. Reverend Lisa Marie,
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Speaker 1: please share with the listeners one more time where they
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Speaker 1: can get a copy of that book and also find
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Speaker 1: out more about you and your website.
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Speaker 2: The book is The Ways to God is being published
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Speaker 2: June twenty eighth. In a couple of weeks twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: You can now pre order the kindle version of the book,
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Speaker 2: and I believe on the twenty eighth you'll be able
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Speaker 2: to pre order the books. It's going to be in
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Speaker 2: hardcover and a softcover book and Kindle, and then in
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Speaker 2: a few months or a couple of months are going
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Speaker 2: to be doing an audible version of the book, which
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Speaker 2: is going to be great. So each author is going
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Speaker 2: to be able to speak their chapter and the chapter.
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Speaker 2: And in my chapter, I talk about my NDEs, two
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Speaker 2: of them on that Easter weekend and talk. I have
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Speaker 2: a section where I talk about how to raise your consciousness,
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Speaker 2: how to connect with source God. I talk about my
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Speaker 2: spiritually ex transformative experiences that happened throughout my whole life,
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Speaker 2: and in the end I talk about how we can
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Speaker 2: manage and get through this life, this earth life, existence
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Speaker 2: and a human body. My website is perfect Healthandbalance dot com.
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Speaker 2: You will find everything there and anybody can contact me
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Speaker 2: through Facebook Messenger. I'm under Reverend. I think it's just
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Speaker 2: our e V Lisa Marie Bonsek, b O n C
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Speaker 2: e K and they can contact me through there or
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Speaker 2: through my website. I'm happy to talk to end anybody,
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Speaker 2: and I do remote healings.
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Speaker 1: Reverend Lisa Frie, thank you so much for joining us
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Speaker 1: and sharing this amazing experience and the gifts that it
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Speaker 1: gave you.
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Speaker 2: It's my pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, and thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor the Voice Verman. Have
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Speaker 1: a wonderful week.