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Planning & Managing Your Program Launch with Elisa Boogaerts · The One Small Change Podcast

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the One Small Change. I am
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really thrilled that you are, you know, wanna take this journey
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of exploration and transformation with me. And I'm your host,
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Yvonne McCoy, and I bring almost 30 years of
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entrepreneurial experience and passion for discovering growth
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through the power of seemingly small change. So thank you for
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joining me on this journey. And this week, we
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are talking to Elisa,
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and I'm not even gonna try to slaughter your last name. But
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but you're gonna find what she has to share with you
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is gonna be amazing. And, you know, I always say,
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never make it One and done. Take something from what she says One
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think about how you're gonna apply it right away. So, Elisa, thank
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you so much for coming. Thanks for having me,
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Yvonne. Yeah. Tell us what you do. Yeah. So I'm
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a launch planner, and I help coaches plan and
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execute their program launch and even events if they want me to
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help with that. So I also help them, like, set up their systems and really
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keep their business organized. And so I do it in a very structured and organized
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way, and I, in my corporate career. So I have a combined,
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16 years experience of coaching myself and launching my own programs and
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also project management. So bringing that into the coaching world and just
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being a super organized planner person,
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and and yeah. Because I just find it really comes easy to me, and I
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know that it's not a skill that that everyone has.
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So, you know, so the first lesson is you don't have to know everything
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or be able to do everything yourself, you know, if you wanna
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get good results. So so tell us what what your small
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change was that had, a a huge impact on
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you. Yeah. It was,
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it was actually becoming the launch planner. I,
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I really resisted it for quite some time because I quit my
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corporate job in 2023. And literally The
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next day, I had I went to, an an in person networking
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event called JVX. It was in Vegas, and I got to meet my business coach
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in person, which is amazing. I got to actually, like, hug him, which is so
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awesome. And, and I bounced this idea off him because I
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had heard before that that knowing that some people hire project
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managers and, like, if someone's doing a summit, they get allocated a project manager.
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And I was like, oh, I wonder if I could do that. And I I
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bounced the idea off him, and he was like, yes. Like, you need to be
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a launch planner. And it sounded great, but, you know,
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sometimes when you say something out loud The sometimes it's, like, perfect
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One you're putting it into the universe and you wanna manifest it. But other times,
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it may not really sit right. And so for me, it didn't really
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sit right. And I noticed this huge resistance to
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it, and it was like, you know what? Like, that's what I just did in
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corporate, and I just left corporate. Like, I don't want anything to do with that.
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I don't want to bring that into my business. It kinda gave me this really,
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like, ick kinda feeling. Mhmm. Mhmm. And,
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so I put, because I was still doing life coaching at the time being a
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confidence coach. And I so I put the idea kinda to the side,
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and, and I was Small sort of being encouraged to do it. One, eventually, I
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decided I was like, okay. Let's stop, like, pushing down The
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feelings. You know, we all know we should probably process our
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emotions. One, so I used, like, you know, all the tools that
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I do have to figure out what was really going on. And, yes, there was
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a lot of resistance. Excuse excuse me.
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But it was because in my corporate job, there were
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some some of the places that I worked in had a very toxic environment,
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and I had to deal with a lot of adversity. And I often
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felt, belittled by some of the people that I worked with
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because, you know, they had degrees and, you know, they were engineers or
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and I was, you know, directors, what have you. And, you know, and to become
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a project manager, you can kinda take, like, a 5 day course. You know? So
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it's something that I sort of felt like as if I was lesser than them.
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Though there are definitely some incredibly intelligent people that I worked with, and I really
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respected them. And then I also noticed that the project processes
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were really quite strict, and everybody kinda had an opinion of how they should work.
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And I often felt at a loss that I couldn't really please
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anyone. So I had all this history with all this baggage
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that kinda came with it and all the negative feelings when
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I did leave, and I was also super burnt out when I left. And
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so in my mind, it was like, I don't wanna live, like,
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go through that toxicity again. I don't wanna feel burnt out again. So I was
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associating it. Right? I was, like, taking my past and throwing it into the
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future. And so I really began to reframe it.
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And I started to use this affirmation that says,
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I'm open to using my gifts and talents. And I was
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saying that to myself, okay. I'm open to using my gifts and talents, and this
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really helped to, helped me sort of overcome it and really
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calm down and think more clearly. And I started to then have
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a a better mindset with it One knowing that,
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yeah, that I was I was projecting my past into the future One that,
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I did some journaling meditation as well, but this affirmation really helped me. And it
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gave me this perspective that, you know, if I do
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use my project management skills, that it would be my process. It would be
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my business. You know? I I could and it's a completely different
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industry, and I would get to choose who I work with. And this
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all made it sound a lot less scary and a lot more fun.
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And I was like, wait. So I can run my own business, use the skills
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that come easy to me, work with my favorite people who are coaches, and help
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them with skills that they don't have One so that they can do their amazing
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work and get their program out there? I was like, okay. That sounds pretty awesome.
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And so I was able to make that shift, which helped me to
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really you know, I could lean into my own experience of launching programs.
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So so let me let me stop you because you've hit on a couple of,
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I think, really important things. And so, you know, the
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first One, is one of the ones that, you
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know, I teach all the time is your
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uniqueness and your gift is the thing that makes you different
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from everybody else. Do you know? And
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that comes from a combination of what I usually say is my
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heart business and my head business. And so, you
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know, when you when they talked about project management, that was kind of
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your head business, and it came with all the yucky stuff that you
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know? And and your heart business was I wanna help people. You
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know? And your uniqueness is well, I get to pick them, and I get
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to pick the kinds of things that they wanna do. And now I'm
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someplace that I'm excited about, that I can really write. And
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so that is an amazing thing to know that you can
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take what you already have and reframe it
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as you said, and come up with something so much better and so much more
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powerful for you. I also One us to take a step
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back because I think the the term launch is a
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very marketing niche, you know, kind of word,
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for people who are just starting their business or, you know, maybe haven't gotten
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into marketing a whole lot. So I'd really like you
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to, talk about what a launch entails
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One also how there is a launch process
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even for something small. I mean, when we think about launching a course,
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launching a a workshop, launching a summit,
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You know? But I think that, you know, where we miss the boat a
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lot of times is that learning how to launch something from something
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small. So if you could talk about that a little bit, I
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think that would be really helpful to the audience.
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Yeah. So, yeah, I think it really starts
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with, coming up with a plan of what you want. I think that I mean,
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I I love planning, so I know I plan everything. One,
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and so what kind of goes into that plan, for
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launch can really be Let me take you let me take you back a step
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because, you know, if I could get you to talk with the
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idea of what the idea of launch is. Launch is kind
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of starting something or putting something.
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I mean, maybe I don't have the right definition, so that's why I'm asking you.
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Putting something out there so it'll happen, I guess, is what
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I'm which is Yeah. But so
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do a better one. Yeah. So launching, you're
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right. It's putting something out into the world, and it doesn't
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even have to be for the first time. It could be, you know, if you
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have a program that you like to make available to your clients,
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say, 3 times a year, each one of those could be considered
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a launch. So when you're sort of being like, okay. It's now available.
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Come work with me. And leading up to that are a whole
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bunch of steps to get people into the program. So that's kind of what the
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the launch process is. And same with, like, a summit as well. It's like, okay.
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The summit is now something that people can come to, something that you're selling.
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And, and so that's, yeah, kind of putting it out into the world and
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showing your genius, really. It's it's it's about how do you let
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people know that you're doing a thing. That a
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thing is coming up, whatever that thing is. Right. Yeah. Because we
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don't wanna be the best kept secret. Right? Because you can create your
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program, but you gotta tell people about it. So, you know, you can
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you know, the intensity of the The or how much work you put in it
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depends on if it's something that you you
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you just decide you're going to you know, I'm I'm kind of making this
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ultra simple. If you decide you're gonna do a work,
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workbook live, a Facebook live, or a LinkedIn live,
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then that's just a matter of letting people know that you're gonna do
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it. So it's a very simple form of a launch. If you're doing
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something like a workshop, you've got more steps to it, and you need
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to go into more avenues, to get it done. So that's
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kinda what I want people to start thinking. I want them to start thinking
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launch. How do I get my stuff in front of people?
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Right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And you're right. And there's, like, very varying
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degrees of it as well. And, because you could, yeah, do, like, a
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Facebook live as a form of, like, a sort of a speaking thing that you're
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doing yourself to introduce the program and, like, getting people into it.
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And you could do, like, a whole 3 month process where
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you're working with JV partners One, like, you have, like, hundreds of people
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coming to you, The event that you're putting on, like a workshop or a master
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class or even a 3 day event if you're sort of, like, you know, more
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of like a multi six figure coach. And then that all
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all roads lead to your program that you were selling.
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So so the other thing you
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talked about was
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kind of, I don't wanna say getting over
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yourself, but saying, you know, kind of discovering that people
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needed what you had. So what are the what are
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some of the things that you're discovering that people don't put into
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their launch or don't think about in terms of launching?
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I think that I think that some people don't
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think about it much at all. They're just sort of like, oh, you know, I'm
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gonna put my program out there One, yeah, you know, I'll I'll do it in
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May. They're like, okay. So it's The May's in 2
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weeks. Is are you gonna do it? Sort of you know, it's kind of, like,
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just sort of this idea, but it's like, oh, that's something in the future. I'll
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I'll worry about that later. And then I noticed that, you know, if they if
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you do actually can get them to commit to a date, then some sort of
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fears and anxieties can come up around that. And some people can be like,
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excitement. Right? Because fear is excitement on pause. One
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then, so if you kind of, like, all of a sudden you realize,
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oh, the the date's in 3 weeks, and you start to think of all the
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stuff that you may or may not wanna do, And then that kind of can,
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increase anxiety bill levels One that people feel overwhelmed and stressed out.
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And so I think that, if I were to give sort of like a tip,
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it's really think about it early and and plan it out of all the
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things that you wanna do One do it bit by bit, week by
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week so you can get everything done that you wanna get done without feeling that
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overwhelmed stress crunch time One, like, the week before you wanna
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launch your program. So let me let me tell you 2
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things that, I've encountered, which I find kinda funny.
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One is I'm like you. I love to plan. I mean, you One,
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And so the flips so there are 2 parts of that. So for
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those of you that don't like to plan One, like, you know,
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one person said to me, you say the word plan One I automatically wanna
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run. You know, what do you
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do for them? And then the other side of it is I I
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had someone say to me once, you're so
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linear, and I'm much more spiritual and holistic.
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And my answer to that was, okay. I understand The,
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but if you try to attract
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people to your program One you do it by saying, okay. This is what
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I feel like today. This is what I'm gonna do. Then your
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client has to be in the exact same mood, in the exact
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same mindset, at the exact same time you are to be able
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to find you. If you can put some consistency in
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so they know how to find where you're gonna be, then they can
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find you. So can you kind of put those 2 ideas together,
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like, why Yvonne if you might be holistic and much more, you
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know, loose, having some
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kind of a plan is is better.
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Yeah. I think that it's so important. Excuse me.
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I think it's so important to have a plan because, also, yeah, because I think
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a lot of the people that I do work with are the big picture thinkers
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and the ideas people. One, and I think that
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actually a lot of them do quite like to have someone sort of bring
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them down. One, last year, I was learning a lot about masculine
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energy and feminine energy, and we need to have a good balance of both. And
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so I think the person you're sort of describing has a more sort of, like,
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feminine energy and a little bit sort of, like, more floaty. But you do need
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some of the masculine energy to sort of anchor you down or also just kind
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of always be floating and maybe never actually
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get things out in a way or get have, like, the success that you want
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in your business, I think, if you are to use a little bit of masculine
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energy to put some things in place, be a little bit more
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tactical, because in doing so because I think The,
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people wanna feel cared for when they come into your
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world, when they come into your program, and they wanna know that you know what
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you're doing. And there's a bit of, like, you know, like, you have, like, a
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start One, and there's a bit of structure to the program. And so I think
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that if you can't deliver that to people in some
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way, that they might be a little bit more hesitant to to
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join you. At least that's kind of what I have found that people like to
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they feel a little bit more cared for being like, okay. There's, like, this person
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is gonna take me on this journey, and there's a bit
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of a plan to it. Yeah. I don't know if that answers your question. I
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think it's it's having a safety net. Do you know? It's
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like, typically, when people are getting in front of people, even if you're if
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you're relaunching something, you know, you've made a decision to
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do something different. I'm gonna either put it in front of a different audience, or
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I'm gonna do a different medium or a different way.
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So the idea of it may not have worked. You know, I
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don't know if it'll work, or it may not work again. So having
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somebody there to have, you know, that outside
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perspective has gotta be helpful. And and The
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other piece that I think people may
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not think about, and I'm just guessing here,
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is that when you help them, you're putting
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in place a process that's scalable.
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I just had I just had an interesting conversation, and they were saying, did
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you, could you take a look at this, and is The step in
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there? And I said, well, you need to add another step because of this.
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And they go, oh, well, it doesn't matter because I, you know, I don't have
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anybody that's doing that now. And I go, but you will.
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Yes. Why not build it in now? And now that you have that step, if
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somebody does come in, it you know, because one of the things that I see
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so often I'm sorry. One of the things that I see so often, especially
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with big thinkers sometimes and particularly generous entrepreneurs,
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is they have a structure in place, and then they do all these
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outside the structure things. So they'll go, oh, you
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know, I'm gonna let you in my program for free, you know, because
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of something you did for me or whatever. And so they never get them
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into the system, and so they never get the emails.
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They never get the reminders. I mean, I can't tell you how many times that's
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happened to me where it's like they were like, well, you didn't come. And I
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was like, I never got a notice. Right. You know? I
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mean, do you know? And so that's the kind of thing is you can
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actually give better service to the people that
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you're working with when you've got a system, so you've got
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consistency One your quality is good. And so
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also, you can spend more time doing what you
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do instead of trying to chase, you know,
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the the odd the one the one off things. Does that make I
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mean, does that make sense? That totally makes sense. Yeah. And I that's something I
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really like to work with people as well. It's, like, setting up those systems and
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processes, even something as simple as filing. You
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know? Like, do you have a good filing structure so you can find things? Because
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I don't know how many times people search for things. Right? Like, you have some
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assets somewhere, some image, or some document, and you spend so much time searching for
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it. And, actually, a a client of mine, he had,
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in his previous launch, had a contractor who was doing
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everything, but she was using her personal email and saving everything on
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her personal. And so when she her contract ended One
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they didn't bring her back for the next launch, she kept all that because it
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was all on her personal systems. It wasn't on his. So there wasn't the system
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for the him to have access to all of it, and so they had to
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recreate everything. And they ended up doing a little bit late and a little bit
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rushed, and he thinks that he lost about $50
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from that launch. That if he had had all those assets and hadn't had to
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spend all that time to recreate everything. And it's the same that if you lose
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something, you have to, like, spend that time to recreate it. So, like, you know,
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even just these little things because when you do scale One you do bring people
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in, you wanna have it sort of, like, in a way that they can find
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it easily as well because we all believe everybody will still. Right? We will
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all eventually have a team. So, yeah, it's good to get those systems in
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place. But, you know, I know one of the things that I'm working on is
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naming the podcast so that when I send it over to the people
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that are doing whatever they do, doing the magic that they
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do, They will be able to find my Podcast, and also I'll be able to
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file it because it's you know, someone said to me once,
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it's not where you put it that's important. It's what you think
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of when you need it. Mhmm.
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To be able to retrieve it. And I was like, oh, that makes
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sense. And so, you know, you know, I have a coach
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that's working with me on naming, you know,
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format and, you know, again, where I'm putting stuff so I can
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find it, that kind of stuff. Because I do spend an inordinate amount
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of time after after being in business over 30 years. I've got
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good lord. Good googly moogly. I got, you know, a junk draw
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that's probably as big as some people's house, you know,
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finding stuff. And I'm I'm always amazed when I do find it's like,
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oh, I remember this. This is actually pretty good. Maybe I should
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rename it so I could actually find it when I think about it. Right.
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Yeah. Yeah. I always like to say The. I'm like, if I was me, where
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would I put that? Yeah. What was I doing when I
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you know? Yeah. Who was I working with or something like that?
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So so you've got something an offer for us. So
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why don't you tell us tell us about that?
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So yeah. So I do, what I offer is
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a a planning session. So it's a program planning session, and I know we're talking
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about the word plan kind of might make people kind of like, One
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it's really so I have this amazing document that I'm super proud of, and
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it's got, like, everything. It's actually something we didn't touch on today It's about
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tracking as well. So if you can, like, track your metrics as you're
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launching or putting stuff out there, you can see if something's not working, and you
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can tweak things if you look at your conversion rates and things like that. So
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I have this template that has all different things that you can track for a
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launch. It has a plan and also,
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like, metrics. So you can look at your I call them the keys to success,
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the things that you wanna have to track. We have a revenue goal or anything
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like The. And we go through the plan together. We sit 1 by 1. We
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go go through it and actually commit to a date for your launch and,
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and put all the dates in to see if everything that needs to make it
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happen. So, yes. If anyone wants to book a call with me to talk about
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that, I will, provide a link for, to book a
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game plan Small, One we can chat about doing a program planning
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session. That will be in the notes for the show. And let me just tell
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you. First of all, if
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you're if you can't measure something, you're probably
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not doing it. And, you know, part of the measure
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is so that you can evaluate. So if you're to see whether you're doing it
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well, if you're doing it often. The other thing is,
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you know, I'm not, you know, there are a lot of people that are very
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much into journaling. I'm not a journaler. I
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will never do you know, if you've heard me talk before, you've heard me say
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that I lost The £150. Yeah. I have never been able to do a
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food journal. I have I find food journals in terms of
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data really unhelpful. It's
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kind of like, I know I ate
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it, and 2 weeks from now, I don't wanna go see what I ate. That
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doesn't, you know so I have trackers that I
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that I developed for when I was losing weight that I use for business
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now that is, like, what is my goal? What am I doing every day?
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You know? And and it's for people who are visual, and the majority of us
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are visual. Trackers are amazing. You
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can actually see the patterns. And, you know, I don't know about you,
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but, you know, when I get into my tracker, I start to color code it
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and all that kind of stuff. And and, you know, it becomes almost like a
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game. So I'm gonna really encourage you to take advantage of this
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opportunity, especially if you're saying, planning
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is not my thing. Because you may find that this experience
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will totally open your eyes. You will have an idea about
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something totally different and a way to do it. And, you know,
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one of the things that she said was, it may not be
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exactly the way you wanna do it, but she's gonna help you to customize it
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a little bit for what you're doing. And that's the key to it. You know?
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You know, I always say, if it doesn't work, it if it doesn't work for
23:06
you, it doesn't work. And so, you know, if as you're working
23:10
with people, anybody who goes, you have to do this exactly like The.
23:14
I mean, unless you're doing surgery or something.
23:18
You know, it's gotta have it's gotta have room for your personality and
23:22
your needs and and that kind of thing. So Yeah. That's almost one of the
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first things that I say in the planning session. I'm like, so I put The
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other thing, but I'm not precious about it. This is now yours.
23:32
Let's make it work for you. We can change the wording for it. We can
23:35
change everything and completely customize it so that it makes sense to them
23:39
because it is their plan for their program launch.
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Not precious about it. So you're deaf this is,
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like, an incredibly valuable gift. I may take you up on
23:50
this myself. So I'm gonna encourage everybody
23:54
to do this. It is a way to have
23:58
somebody look at your business. I gotta tell you, I
24:02
this is, like, this is a very sad story.
24:06
Especially if you're doing something big for the first time, there
24:09
are so many moving pieces, and there can be something that
24:13
is so common sense that you thought was already
24:17
baked into the the thing, only to find out that it
24:20
wasn't. Yeah. I mean, I I can't tell you how many times.
24:24
I I won't say I that I did it a lot of times, but one
24:27
time was enough The I did something in Zoom,
24:31
and I assumed that it had the same link as the other workshops that I
24:34
did, and it didn't. And so people were showing up someplace
24:38
else, and I was someplace else. Mhmm. Being Totally
24:42
avoidable. Totally avoidable with a good plan and a and a good
24:45
plan to keep place. Alright. Yeah. So, I wanna say
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to everybody, one of the things you need to do is you need to make
24:51
sure you check out the the the really
24:55
generous gift that Alicia has given you.
24:59
Alyssa. Sorry. Wasn't that wasn't a gift, though. That
25:03
was just my program I was talking about. Okay.
25:07
But if you book a call, you'll see if that's something they need.
25:11
Yes. Okay. Sorry. I I miss I misconstrued that.
25:14
There will be also be information for, any for
25:18
an upcoming workshop that she does on a fairly regular
25:21
basis, so we should talk about that. So be sure to, you know, The
25:25
the you make sure that you subscribe and you share The,
25:30
and give us comments on on Facebook, you know, because we wanna build a
25:33
community. And, you know, this is the way to give back give
25:37
back to the community and, you know, get
25:41
people involved One so you can learn something so that you, you know,
25:45
as we go along, we need different things in different times. So, you know,
25:48
the thing about the podcast is it's good because you can go into it when
25:52
you need it. Alright. So now just for kind of a fun thing before we
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end, the question that I'm gonna ask is One was the
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last time you did something new for the first time?
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That's a good one. I, well, I recently,
26:10
volunteered for my, community garden that's in my
26:14
my my building here to help The grow, like, fruits and veggies and herbs
26:18
for our building. So I hadn't, been wanting to to work with them and
26:21
volunteer with them. So that's something that I have done for the first time.
26:26
I think that's great because I think, you know, if you wanna stay curious, you
26:29
have to do different things, and you need to do things that you haven't you
26:33
haven't done before. So,
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what would be if you were you know, what would be the last like,
26:41
the, you know, practical steps people can take from what you said
26:44
today? I would
26:48
say to really take the time to set up your systems
26:52
and do it early on so So you already have it in place, and then
26:55
it can just flow so much more easily. So really, like, give yourself
26:59
that time One let yourself just sort of sit down
27:02
and think it through. You know, what do you need to do?
27:06
And then, systematize it. Okay. And
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and I think part of that has to do with,
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you know, someone said I feel really bad because I'm really
27:18
plagiarizing on this this coach. She said on her workshop,
27:22
she said The brain that created this problem is not the same brain
27:26
that can solve it by itself. So if you have not been good
27:29
at planning in the past, chances are you're not gonna
27:33
be hugely more
27:37
successful in the future because you don't have the tools,
27:41
and so you need some outside help. And there's nothing wrong with that because
27:44
none of us can do everything. So that would be my 2¢ with
27:48
The, that find out what's holding you back from planning, find out a way that
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works for you. Thank you again, and
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what I want you to everybody to remember is that
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change can be simple, but it's not always easy. And it
28:03
requires a certain amount of courage and resilience and a willingness a
28:06
willingness to step out of your comfort zone, when you
28:10
do something different. And you you made, a comment to that that fear
28:14
and excitement are kind of the same thing. We experience it the same, and
28:18
that's true. So I want you to join me for the One small
28:21
change on a regular basis where we embark on a journey of
28:25
bold vision and innovative possibilities. And so I
28:29
will see you next time, and thank you so much for spending this time
28:32
with us. And I hope we'll do this again at some
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point. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on your show, Yvonne. This has
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been fun. This was great. Thank you.