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Chapter 3, Part 2: A New Frontier - AI, Creativity, and Ebooks · On the Same Page: A KCPL Podcast

• 0:03
  So now that we talked about the— I've got the Wild West books,
• 0:06
  and I know I mentioned we were going to have a little brief discussion
• 0:10
  on artificial intelligence. I know, Kelsey,
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  you mentioned that you're working on a list of resources for people
• 0:17
  who may have questions about that. It's been something
• 0:21
  that has kind of seems like it's gotten here all fast,
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  all of a sudden. I mean, I know it hasn't been that way. It sure
• 0:29
  feels like it, though. But it feels like it. It feels like it was just
• 0:33
  like we blinked and here we are. Absolutely. That means
• 0:37
  anytime there's something like that where it changes so fast,
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  it can be hard to, you know, keep up with. I mean, we were
• 0:45
  information professionals and we don't really know what the future
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  holds with it. I mean, and, you know,
• 0:53
  within the library world, and I don't know if they changed it, I guess it
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  was maybe last year, Libby. Started doing
• 1:01
  where they would recommend you books. It was based on like
• 1:04
  an artificial intelligence that you could talk to, like say,
• 1:08
  you know, here's what I'm looking for. And people really were
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  not, not pleased with that. It was pretty polarizing,
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  the reactions to it, I think. Yeah, it was, it was definitely polarizing.
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  In instances like that, it's one of those things artificial intelligence in
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  that way has been around a long time.
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  Aggregating information has been something that has been available
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  for a while. Absolutely. And that's not something
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  new. It's just, uh, in that regard, it's coming to us
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  in a different package. Exactly. Yeah, because like, you know, people talk
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  about artificial intelligence. I mean, Siri's been around
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  for a long time. Siri is artificial
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  intelligence. It is AI. It's just a different kind
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  of AI, but it is the same thing. It's just,
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  you know, a different form of it, a different package, like you said.
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  Yeah, and I think that's something that honestly makes
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  it difficult to have conversations about AI is
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  because it's an umbrella term that covers
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  such a wide range of things, including technology that
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  has been around for decades. But being
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  wrapped up in these, these maybe new presentations
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  of it, the large language models that are new,
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  you know, like we said earlier, feel like they've all of a sudden popped up
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  in the blink of an eye. And somebody might say, well, I hate AI and
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  mean one very specific aspect of it. And another person
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  might say, well, AI makes my job 1,000 times easier and mean
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  a completely different aspect of it. And so that's why
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  it's important to as information professionals and
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  just as, as people who want to be informed
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  to take the time to try to parse a little bit
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  of what that, what that means. But I know that we have so
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  much information about everything all the time.
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  Information overload is a very real thing. So that's what I hope to be
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  able to, to help people navigate as the technology librarian
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  is helping people find, like we said before, those resources that
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  maybe can point them in the right direction. I'm not here to tell anybody how
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  to feel about any technology, AI or otherwise,
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  but being able to navigate kind of the information landscape
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  about it is no easy feat. And so that's
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  what I hope to be able to help people navigate. It is definitely,
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  uh, no easy feat. And, you know, thinking back when
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  I read Jurassic Park, in the very beginning, the very
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  first chapter of that book where it talks about How We Got Here.
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  And it's talking about, you know, in that it was genetic testing
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  of, you know, and they were doing all these resources on genomes and
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  like cloning and all this stuff. And it talks about how
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  like all of a sudden you see this company, that company,
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  here, here, here, they're all popping up everywhere. And I'm like,
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  this sounds really familiar, um,
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  to what I'm seeing Currently. And so
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  I think that's another reason that it's important to stay connected
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  and understand what this stuff is, is because it can have a big impact on,
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  you know, where we go from here and how
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  we get there. Um, absolutely the same thing as in Jurassic
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  Park, you know, like some dangerous stuff happens
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  if you let things get out of control. So, and that was written a long
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  time ago, but it's still reflective today and how we see this going.
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  So When we started this podcast, that was one of the things,
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  you know, Tanya brought to the table and I appreciated
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  that was like, we want this to be a podcast that does not
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  use AI for creativity. Like creativity
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  should be human-led. And so,
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  you know, we don't use AI in any of the promotion.
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  We don't use AI in any of our coming up with episode topics.
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  You know, we, we do all that in-house.
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  Creativity is a beautiful thing. And absolutely,
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  it's when we do it, it's just more special. So,
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  and that's, that's kind of our commitment to what
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  we've been doing, uh, this entire time and we will continue
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  to do. We want this to be something for people,
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  by people, you know. Yeah, I love that. We can— yeah.
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  And it's not something I really even thought about until, until she,
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  uh, brought that up and I was like, you know, that, that makes, that makes
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  sense. Let's keep it human-led
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  and creative in that aspect. So we have a lot of fun coming
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  up with the ideas and stuff too.
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  We do. We do. It is fun being able to like figure
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  out like, well, how are we gonna blend this together? And like, you know,
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  the new frontier in the Wild West, like that was just our discussion when we
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  were planning the episode. We just were like, let's blend these 2
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  things together. I think it makes it even more special when it's us versus computers.
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  So, and I will say that, Kelsey, the presentation
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  you gave on First App Development Day, that was about AI.
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  I think that it was very good and balanced
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  and— Thank you. I appreciate it. So I trust that if people
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  come to you looking for information, it's going to be a great resource
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  for them, whatever they want to know. So I
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  didn't sit in on that session because I was leading a different session. You were
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  doing your own. Yeah. But I will say I did attend one of the
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  misinformation escape room programs that you put on and talking
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  about how, you know, to find out whether things are real or not based on
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  artificial. So I've heard you talk and share about passion
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  for giving people the information to make their decisions informed. And so
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  I can vouch as well. I think if people come to you, you are a
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  great resource for that and for them. Thank you both. I so
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  appreciate that. What I, what I try to keep in mind
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  for myself as well as when I'm helping people find resources resources is
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  AI is a tool when it boils down to it, and that tool
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  can be great for some very specific things. But especially,
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  I love that the both of you pointed out that at least for this project
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  you're working on, it's important for it to be something by people for
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  people. And I think especially in libraries, that's something where,
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  you know, resources are always limited— budget, staffing,
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  whatever the case may be— and it might be easy to say,
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  well, let's just outsource this task to AI. But like Tanya
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  said, creativity especially is something that's
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  really fun. And it's something that brings people together. And it's
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  a joyful act, even when it's something you're doing for work. I think whether you
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  have the opportunity to be creative, you know, in your personal
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  life, in your professional life, ideally, all aspects
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  of life, I think creativity is a unique joy for
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  people that I think maybe, you know,
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  not to again make any sort of sweeping statements, but I
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  think maybe tech companies are trying to convince us that we need to outsource that.
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  And I think it's really important that we, we hold on to those
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  opportunities for joy because we all know what life is like.
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  Joy can be fleeting. And so when we have an opportunity to
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  hold on to that and to be creative for the sake of creativity,
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  I think that's really important. And so not to keep plugging my
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  spaces, but come to the Idea Lab. We have lots of opportunities to be creative
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  there as well. Oh, absolutely. And creativity
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  is, is good for the soul. And I feel like a
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  lot of like, just seems like now we all need to find those things that
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  are good for the soul and creativity is one of them. So if,
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  if AI robs that from you, then it's robbing that source of joy
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  and good and being good for your soul. So even if it's your first
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  time doing something, don't be afraid. Just go try it.
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  Go try to edit your photo project or make your own podcast.
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  I tell people if they come in for programs or if they're coming in
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  to try something and they are subjected to me talking to them in here,
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  I say one of my number one rules for the space is you have to
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  come in here and be bad at something because I'm trying new things all day,
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  every day in the Idea Lab. I had never so much
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  as looked at a 3D printer before I started here. There's a lot of trial
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  and error with 3D printing. And with all the stuff we
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  have here. And I tell people, I joke about it, but I'm like, I'm bad
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  at stuff every day. So if you come in and you only do stuff that
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  you're perfect at, like, you're gonna make me feel bad. So come in here and
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  do like a really, even if you just sit down at our craft table and
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  do like a really horrendous drawing, like,
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  that's a form of library joy and we're all about library joy. So come
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  like do stuff you're good at, but also come do stuff you're bad at.
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  And that is really freeing as well. So creativity,
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  isn't just about what sort of polished end product you can present to
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  the world. It's about the process.
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  100%. I agree. I remember a couple of years
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  ago there was a mapmaking class for
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  the Summer Library Club and like, I am not an artist by any
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  stretch of the means. I draw stick figures like I am not,
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  you know, that's not, it's not what I do. But however,
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  you know, the, the aspect of like writing and fantasy
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  and creating your own world Like, I like
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  that. So I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go to this mapmaking class,
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  and it doesn't matter what it looks like. It doesn't matter that
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  it's not, you know, the best drawing in the world. It's that, you know,
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  I can still use my creativity and come up with interesting
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  concepts in that world, you know. Like, it can
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  be a form of, you know, it doesn't have to look the best. It's just
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  still an opportunity for me to do something creative. So Absolutely. I like
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  that. I can agree. I can agree with that. Okay,
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  so now we're going to move on to our next segment. This is one of
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  our recurring segments that we have
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  on the podcast, and it is called Overdue
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  Conversations. So today we're going
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  to have a conversation about 2 different forms
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  of reading and how people read physical
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  books versus ebooks.
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  That is a, you know, 2 different sides of the same
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  thing. And talk about, you know, which team are you on?
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  And if you are on one particular,
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  or maybe you're both, you know, kind of discuss
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  that and maybe some of the pros and cons and all that fun stuff.
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  I don't mind going first. I'll, I'll be in the hot seat,
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  um, and share maybe my controversial
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  opinions. Um, as much as a cop-out answer as
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  this is, I think library disclaimer: all
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  reading counts as reading, whether you're reading a physical book, an ebook,
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  audiobook, comic book. That's all, you know, you're taking in information,
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  and that's good. For me personally, like I said in my intro,
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  I tend to be a little more low-tech in my personal life. I love
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  a physical book. I always have a stack of books
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  that I, you know, fingers crossed, maybe I'm gonna have time to sit
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  down and read. But I did get really into taking
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  advantage of my Libby app, specifically when my
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  kids were really little, because when you're always holding a kid, you are lucky
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  if you have one hand free. So that's when I started to
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  really appreciate that I could hold my phone,
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  read a book, scroll with one finger, and still be getting,
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  getting my stories in. I can't live without my stories. So it's
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  a bit of a cop-out, but I do love both. I think pros and cons
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  to both. I personally am not as much of an audiobook
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  girly, but I can respect that that is
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  also some people's preferred form.
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  So for me, until recently— and this is what's the craziest
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  part— until recently, I was 100% ebooks.
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  That's it. I, I read ebooks. I didn't
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  do physical, uh, just because, you know, the, the convenience
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  factor of it and having them, you know,
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  on your phone, on my Kindle, on my, you know,
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  whatever, like I did strictly ebooks,
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  but I've recently started a new category of books.
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  Usually before I would do one book I was reading
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  physically or like with my eyes reading
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  in traditional sense, one I was listening to on audio.
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  I used to just have 2 books going at all times. Now I have
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  3. And this 3rd category that I've
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  added is what I like to call my lunchtime books,
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  because those are books that I will not be
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  upset that I have to stop reading them because my lunch is over, you know,
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  uh, because there would be sometimes I would finish a chapter in my ebook and
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  I've got like 5 minutes left. I'm like, I'm not gonna start a new chapter
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  because I'm not going to be able to finish it. So now, smart. So now
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  I have these books that are like, like graphic novels,
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  Uh, I've been doing a lot of like behind-the-scenes books,
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  like some of my favorite, like, uh, you know, Broadway plays,
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  favorite TV shows, movies, and, you know,
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  books that go a deep dive in behind the scenes on this stuff because I've
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  already seen it. I already know, you know, I'm not going to be upset if
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  I have to stop. And so those have all been physical
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  books because a lot of them are very visual. They are very,
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  you know, they have pictures of behind-the-scenes photos and,
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  you know, things like that. So I've been doing physical books for
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  those ebooks, for my personal reading, and then audiobooks for
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  my nonfiction. So I'm across the board.
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  But the reason I will say that I do love ebooks, one thing about
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  them that you cannot do in a physical book, search for
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  things. Mm-hmm. Like if you remember they talked about
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  a character like so bad, like you can flip back and you can try and
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  find it. But on ebook you can find it like
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  that because you can just type in a keyword or type
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  in the person's name and find the first instance where they mention that character's
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  name. And so you can go back really, really easily.
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  Or if there is a word that you're not familiar with,
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  and you don't know what it means. Yeah, if you have a physical book,
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  you could set your book down and go look it up. Like, that's a possibility.
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  But on the ebook version, you can just click right on it and
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  it will allow you to do that.
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  Also, another ebook pro that I'll give is
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  highlighting. Like, if you're borrowing a library book,
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  you should not be highlighting it. You should not be adding notations
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  to it. PSA. PSA.
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  But if you have the ebook, even if you borrow
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  that ebook and you don't, you know, you're not keeping it forever, you can still
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  make highlights and you can pull those up through like, you know, your Kindle
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  or your Goodreads or like you can sync that stuff up
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  to where you can still keep those, those quotes and those parts that meant something
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  to you. Uh, so that's another pro for
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  ebooks. I'm, I'm really, really, uh,
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  all about those ebooks, but I am understanding now
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  that physical books, there's something about them sometimes that you just,
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  just need. It's funny that you mentioned looking things up and
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  highlighting them and all of that, because my take on ebooks
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  is I don't really think to buy them anymore,
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  I guess. But when I was in college, all of my textbooks I
• 17:28
  would download to my Kindle because all I had to remember is my
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  Kindle. And I could highlight things
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  or look something up, go back in the
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  chapters really easy for whatever class I was doing.
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  So that's when I used the ebooks the most, so I wouldn't have
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  to carry around big heavy textbooks and forget them
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  when I was going to class.
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  Yeah, if, if you are someone who has tried
• 17:58
  ebooks and they're not really your thing, and my
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  question to you is this: were you trying to read on your phone or
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  an iPad where it's like giving you notifications every 37 seconds?
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  Because that has been my biggest difference because I
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  switched over to, you know, an e-reading device that is just
• 18:20
  for e-reading. Most— I mean, it's a Kindle,
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  but there's also other ones. There's like Kobo has one.
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  You know, there's other e-reading devices that just are for
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  reading. So you don't get interrupted by every little thing.
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  And that, that I think is a lot of people—
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  I know a lot of people who I've talked to and they're like, I've tried
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  it. If you're trying to read on your phone, it can be very distracting.
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  Absolutely. Having a dedicated e-reader is a different experience
• 18:53
  for sure. Yeah, it definitely is. And,
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  you know, I think sometimes
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  one physical advantage that there might be that I've noticed
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  here lately is the wait times.
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  Sometimes wait times on ebooks Because there's so many people who are
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  using them, they can be a really long time. But if you go physical,
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  you might be able to get it sooner. I mean,
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  there's usually still a wait if it's a really popular one.
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  But, you know, I would, I would say that some of
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  those are going to be— you're going to get them quicker if you do physical
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  versus ebooks. So, you know, there's, there's pros to
• 19:34
  each of them. I will say, as someone who
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  100% has bought books just based on the COVID before,
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  There is a certain, a certain enjoyment that
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  I take from just— I go to the library, I just browse the stacks,
• 19:50
  and I just pick a book that maybe the title speaks to me or maybe
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  the COVID art. And you see the COVID art on Libby, but I feel like
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  it's a different experience browsing the physical stacks.
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  So 100%, I'm a proponent of ebooks.
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  I love Libby. I'm a convert to it, but I You know, I've come
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  to love it, but I do still recommend if you can make it to your,
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  your physical library, whatever your closest KCPL branch is,
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  go browse the stacks and pick a book based on how pretty it looks
• 20:22
  on the shelf. I've seen some sprayed edge books lately
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  too. Oh, I love a sprayed edge. I'm a sucker for those.
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  Love a sprayed edge. Absolutely. You do not get a sprayed edge with an ebook.
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  So that is absolutely true. That is not something that you
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  can do. I bought this cover of Sunrise on
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  the Reaping. Gorgeous. I haven't read it yet,
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  but you can decorate your Kindle and make it cute. Decorate your e-reader.
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  Oh, oh yeah, yeah, you definitely can.
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  And a matter of fact, on a future episode, we will be talking about some
• 20:56
  of those things. That's a plan we have, uh, for the future.
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  So one more plug for the Idea Lab: come make stickers on
• 21:03
  our nice inkjet printer and sticker your Kindle.
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  Yes, you could make your stickers in the Idea Lab. I'll keep
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  that in mind. It's all coming full circle. It is. Well, and I
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  will mention, you know, Kelsey, you said that they could
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  come into the library and, you know, find a physical
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  book. And, you know, there's an opportunity coming up that you
• 21:29
  could do that if you can come visit, if you are someone who does e-reading.
• 21:33
  I wanted to mention that in August at the
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  St. Albans Library, I'm doing a class that
• 21:41
  I call Digital Library Deep Dive, which is all about mastering
• 21:46
  Libby and Hoopla, or as the young folks might say,
• 21:49
  Libby maxing, you know, and getting
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  Hoopla pilled. Uh-huh, exactly,
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  exactly. Like, how can you take advantage
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  of those services and be able to, you know,
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  use them in a way where you're always
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  having something there. And how do you manage your holds list? How does
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  it work behind the scenes? What happens when you hit that Notify Me?
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  You know, what does it mean when a license is expired? And just like
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  all of these, you know, behind-the-scenes information. And I'm
• 22:24
  also going to share As someone who is a big e-reader,
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  I have some other resources that I'll talk about where that
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  can help you find free and low-cost ebooks.
• 22:37
  If there's something you don't— you're too impatient, you don't want to
• 22:41
  wait on it, or if, you know,
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  it's something the library doesn't offer, like how can you get those things
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  for low cost? So I'm going to do a whole e-reading class
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  on August 15th at 11 AM. So if
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  you are someone who is an e-reader or you want to maybe think about trying
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  it out, like, you know, this could be a class
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  for you. If that intimidates you and you're like, no, no, no,
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  I'm very like, I don't even know where to begin.
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  I don't even have an e-reader. I'm going to be doing another class later this
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  fall here about, you know, getting started
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  on e-reading and that as well. So I'm doing both
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  of those because I'm trying to get people
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  who might not visit the library because they use
• 23:33
  our e-reading services to give us a chance and come out and
• 23:37
  visit us. And so this is a way that maybe this
• 23:41
  program is just for them. So I love that. Yeah.
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  And you've told me some of the tips you plan on sharing, some of the
• 23:49
  secrets. And I like— they're pretty cool. We won't give them away yet,
• 23:53
  but yeah, yeah, I was impressed. I've got— I mean, listen,
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  I've been doing this e-reading game for a while, so, uh, you know,
• 24:00
  I've got some tips and tricks on how to, you know,
• 24:03
  save some moolah there and also
• 24:07
  support your library at the same time, even when you are impatient. I want to
• 24:11
  come make a Libby maxing sticker in the Idea Lab.
• 24:16
  Absolutely. That needs to be something we design, a Libby
• 24:19
  maxing sticker. We'll make t-shirts or something.
• 24:23
  Yeah. I could give out the stickers at my program.
• 24:27
  Oh, absolutely. Libby Maxey.
• 24:30
  Hoopla Pilled. Oh my goodness.
• 24:35
  Well, that was our discussion on physical versus ebooks. You know, I,
• 24:39
  I think we all pointed out pros
• 24:43
  and cons and it's a
• 24:46
  new frontier for me. So yeah, exactly. So new frontier
• 24:50
  for you. So, and if it's, it's new frontier for
• 24:55
  you, I've got the classes for you. Yep,
• 24:59
  I definitely do. Well,
• 25:02
  that is going to conclude the main portion of our episode.
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  So, um, does anybody have anything
• 25:09
  they want to share before we sign off and close this thing out?
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  I know we want to thank Kelsey for coming today and agreeing to
• 25:17
  be our guest. We are very glad you stopped by. Of course.
• 25:22
  Thank you both. I had a blast. The Idea Lab booth
• 25:25
  sounds amazing. And it does. It does.
• 25:28
  It's definitely— it definitely sounds super clear.
• 25:31
  So, okay, something— yeah, that's something that patrons
• 25:35
  can take advantage of as well. And so
• 25:39
  as part of our sign off today, there's several
• 25:42
  things. First, we want to shout out just for
• 25:46
  a moment, I'm just gonna shout out other libraries, just other
• 25:50
  libraries on social media. On our podcast,
• 25:53
  we've been trying to do some different things on social and, you know,
• 25:57
  trying to get it out there. And a lot of that's inspired by,
• 26:00
  if you're not following other libraries on social media, you should
• 26:04
  give it a shot because there's some that like do Instagram Reels or
• 26:09
  TikToks, and they've got some really creative and fun stuff
• 26:13
  that just will make you laugh out loud. And so we're
• 26:18
  using them as inspiration for our new endeavor here.
• 26:21
  So we just wanted to shout out that there are lots
• 26:25
  of libraries around the world who are, you know,
• 26:29
  killing the social media game. So they are an
• 26:33
  inspiration. For us. Also,
• 26:37
  we are going to be putting out a podcast survey because
• 26:42
  if you're listening, we want to know, we want to hear your feedback.
• 26:45
  If you're a guest and you've been a guest on this
• 26:49
  podcast, we want to hear your feedback too. We want feedback
• 26:52
  from everybody. And so we're going to be sending out
• 26:56
  a survey through social media. We're going to
• 27:00
  have it on our podcast page. Like, we will have that
• 27:04
  out for you. We're hoping to have it out when this
• 27:08
  episode releases. It might be a few days later,
• 27:12
  but pay attention to our social media and you'll find that
• 27:17
  podcast survey. And the reason we're doing it— I'm going to— I'm finally sharing
• 27:21
  the story, Tanya. Finally, because I told you this at the
• 27:25
  beginning. When we were first starting planning this, but I never actually shared it on
• 27:28
  the podcast. So when I was growing up,
• 27:32
  I had a nickname. My neighbor down the street gave
• 27:37
  me a nickname, and that nickname was Windjammer.
• 27:42
  And I looked that up and what that meant.
• 27:46
  And well, someone who talks a
• 27:50
  lot with little or no substance. That was— I mean,
• 27:53
  I was probably about 4 at the time that he gave me that nickname,
• 27:56
  so I imagine what I was saying did have
• 27:59
  little or no substance to him. But, uh, we're sending out the survey to,
• 28:03
  to see if that name still applies.
• 28:08
  Um, and if you're enjoying the podcast, if you're getting something out
• 28:12
  of it, if you have ideas of things you would like to see us do,
• 28:16
  all those fun things. So We're going to be sending that out
• 28:20
  your way. Yeah, that story really
• 28:24
  made me laugh the first time I heard it. Yeah. So Windjammer,
• 28:28
  that was my nickname from my neighbor down the street.
• 28:32
  So, and with that, this has been
• 28:36
  On the Same Page KCPL podcast.
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  My name is Evan. I'm Tanya.
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  And thanks for listening.