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Winter Tree Care: Snow and Ice Protection, Pruning and More · Talking Trees with Davey Tree

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Davey Tree Expert Company's podcast, Talking Trees.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Doug Oyster.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each week, our expert arborists share advice on seasonal tree care, how to make your trees thrive, arborists' favorite trees, and much, much more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tune in every Thursday to learn more because here at the Talking Trees Podcast, we know trees are the answer.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm joined this week by Luke Brunner.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's the Davy Business Developer in Detroit, Michigan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today we're talking about protecting young trees from snow and ice.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: And Luke, uh, I'm in Pittsburgh here in Detroit.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've had plenty of snow and ice.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: We got hit with two major snowstorms here in Michigan uh right before Christmas, which is unusual for us.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, in the last two snowstorms, I think we've accumulated about 10 inches of snow.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I've heard it both ways with trees.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Leave them alone or get the snow off them.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let's hear it from the expert.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I'm on the same wavelength as you, you know.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you're going to do no damage to a tree or a shrub by, you know, let's say we get a lot of um fluffy snow, you know, the stuff that's nice and easy to look at, you know, you might go out there with a broom and and and do upward strokes to to some of your leaning down, let's say your arboritis or something like that, just to help them out.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: But if there's any site, any sight of ice, uh, you know, you're going to do more damage to the tree, just leave it alone.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've got uh a lot of hemlocks in on my property, and when we get that heavy, icy the trees, they just you know they're weeping basically.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I know better than to start working on them when there's ice on them.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: You can knock off a little bit of snow, but uh the ice, you're I I think you're gonna do more damage than good, right?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had last year we had that freak uh winter storm come through in northern Michigan where it took our white pines and it just you know, the snow and the ice slowed on top of those.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: It just basically they were pretzels and they just broke off the tree and caused millions of dollars in damages.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: So specifically with young trees, is there anything different we are thinking about for young trees than mature trees in the winter, or are they treated the same?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I always treat trees the same.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: The the thing I I always do and I always recommend on a smaller tree that we've planted in the fall time is to definitely water that thing up until the frost.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's still going to receive that water.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna want to get it hydrated before the winter because now it's just gonna be sit out in the elements with the cold wind whipping through.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh you're gonna start losing a lot of moisture on that.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Luke, I need positive vibes from you.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I put in a Franklinia tree uh this year, which is I've killed one already.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a friend that's a PhD who works at one of the local uh botanical gardens here.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's killed a couple of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever planted one?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very strange tree.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's it's out of the the range of most uh trees that people would plant.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely love that tree.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but like you said, I have never seen a good big tree, I guess you can say.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: So by the time they they start, I would say, growing, they pretty much aren't um very viable.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I haven't really seen an older one in our area.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about the tree.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's got a a pretty cool history.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're going off the rails here a little bit, guys, but this is the first person I've talked to in a long time that that loves a Franklinia.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, discovered in the 1700s uh in this uh valley in Georgia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now it is no longer in the wild.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it can only be found at a nursery.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: It has these beautiful flowers late in the season, named for Benjamin Franklin.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, I think you'd be kind of crazy to plant one, but I've just always had a fascination with this tree.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know how that is, right, Luke?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's one of those things I always try to push our zone, you know.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Being in uh the Detroit metro area, we're in a uh a five, pretty much five or six zone.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my favorite thing is pine uh palm trees.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely love palm trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh way back 20 years ago when I used to work for uh an employer, he had a Chinese windmill palm.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was very small, it was planted at his yard, and every year he would wrap it with Christmas lights, and then he would pile on hay and straw through the winter to keep it warm enough, keep the roots uh you know warm enough where they weren't gonna freeze.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's had that thing for, well, when I was working for him, he had that thing for 12 years already.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's a guy here north of Pittsburgh that has the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: This tree, though, is like 25 feet tall.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty smokes, pretty amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I did a a video uh about it a couple years ago where he's into all these like you, palm trees, and palm trees they don't like it in Pittsburgh, and I certainly don't like it in Detroit.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
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  SPEAKER_01: But talk a little bit about that, about that uh that longing we have to grow something that's out of our zone that that makes us it's a tree that tree or shrub or plant that shouldn't grow here, but there are people like you with your palm trees, with me it's figs and my Franklinia, but we have this I don't know what it is, drive to grow something that shouldn't be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what is it about it for you, Luke?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I when I look at a palm tree, I think of warm weather in the ocean.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and that just makes me warm just thinking about things like that.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I have palm tree pictures at my house that I have in a frame uh every time I see it when I look out on a cold, windy day like today, and it just it it makes me warm.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Can you grow some type of palms in that climate?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something that is hardy enough, or do you have to do special things like wrapping it and putting lights around it and all that?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in my 25 years, that's the only palm tree I have seen in Michigan.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: So let's uh get back to our topic.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh as normal, when we do these podcasts, uh we often do go off the rails and talk about things that we we love.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: So for these trees with with snow and ice, um let's talk a little bit about damage and what we should do if there is damage at this time of the year.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess let's talk oaks and elms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh where when they're dormant and we have damage now, I it's not as big of a worry, right?
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: So trees are gonna be dormant.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's gonna be the biggest thing.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh our oaks are going to develop a thing called oak wool, and that's a very detrimental disease.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we'll touch on that a little bit too.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: On uh our elm trees they are susceptible to Dutch elm disease, which is a another uh uh thing that's really it was really prominent here in the 60s and 70s in Detroit.
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  SPEAKER_00: We lost a lot of our street elms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh but our our our new thing is going to be oak wilt here in the state of Michigan.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen quite a bit of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but what happens is in dormancy is now uh everything is kind of shut down.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: So when you when you prune these trees, you're making your correct cuts, you're making you know, your uh your pruning cuts, helping it with structure, helping it with balance, helping it with uh you know, getting the wind go through it.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the best time to do that is absolutely when it's dormant, because now you're gonna have less insects to compete with.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what will happen is they'll come and they'll start feeding on the sap.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: They can bring pathogens on their bodies uh that that hold that pathogen that will get sucked into that tree, and it will uh it'll call cause detrimental effects for that tree in the spring when everything wakes up and starts moving around.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: So if I get some kind of winter damage on one of those two types of trees, how do I know if I need to do something before the spring?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Or do I call my local arborist and have him come from Davy and just say, we need to get up there?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: And can you get up there in snowy weather and stuff like that?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: That in icy weather, or do you have to wait until things thaw a little bit?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: How do how do we deal with this?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so absolutely.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: We have lots of tools, we have lots of tricks that we can do.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we could bring in a bucket truck if it's accessible uh to get up there and climb in it.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna have any weight, you're not gonna have any pressure on your your uh your tree at all.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can use a backyard bucket system to lift you up into a tree for something that's not easily accessible.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um winter pruning also, let's say I I'll go off a little bit off the rails here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dormant pruning uh in the wintertime.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say you have a huge oak tree in the backyard and it's surrounded by perennial plants and annuals, and you can't get to it during the growing season.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now we'll bring this piece of equipment in and we can proactively prune your tree, do less damage uh because everything's gonna be frozen, everything's gonna be gone away.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Clean up, get the machine out of there come spring, you'll never know we are there.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yes, I I would definitely call if you have something break or you have something bend in your tree, I would definitely call local Davy Arborist, free consultation for us to come out, take a look at it, give you some good advice on how to fix it, what it's gonna look like, give you the long term of hey, it's gonna take about this long for everything to be healed up and you know going back good for you.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, definitely call your local Davy Arborist, have them come out, take a look at it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess the same would be true with any other kind of tree.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm thinking trees that have sap in them, like a maple or maybe some type of pines that have some kind of winter uh damage, and then you know, we we don't know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh call somebody who does know what to do.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: And um me personally, when I worked in the field, I love to prune maples in the uh winter time uh to uh minimize the uh spring uh bleed uh for for lack of a better word.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna it's gonna you know be like a water fountain producing that water coming out after those fresh cuts.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: So if you got to a maple, when in your climate and mine, when would you when is the best time to prune a maple?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I always worry about that.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: I worry that I'm gonna prune it, and it is gonna do that.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: It is going to release all that sap that they use to make maple syrup.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I I always love to prune maples in the fall time into the into the winter time.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, October to uh February.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I I absolutely love Japanese maples.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always try to prune those structurally in the wintertime because now you can see the branches, you can see the structure.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um you can, you know, make your finer cuts, you don't have to worry so much about uh the outside and and in getting through there, getting through the foliage to look at the structure.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: And in a winter like we've had here in the east this year, do you kind of do they kind of have to schedule around the the really cold days?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't want to be up in a tree when the wind chill is minus one or something like that.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you wait until you wait three days until it gets to be 35 degrees to do the work?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you have to work in those brutal cold temperatures?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, the work's gotta get done, and you know, you just put it on an extra jacket.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I never liked pruning trees in the in the freezing cold winter, but you know, that's it's it, you know, it's a race to the finish.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: People always ask, hey, you know, are you guys really slow in the winter?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I say, no, we're actually twice as busy because we only have a set time from mid-November to early March that we have to prune all of our oaks, all of our elms.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, unfortunately, Dutch or um uh Emerald Ash Bore came through, destroyed most of our ashes, but we do have a few left, you know, and if we have those, we want to prune them in the wintertime as well.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, what does your job entail?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me a little bit about what you do uh for Davy as a business developer.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: So um I'm a business developer, Davy.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: I help homeowners, um facility managers, uh, HOAs.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I help them come up with good proactive solutions to help with their landscapes for long-term health, pruning, maintenance, uh, and snow removal.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And will the HOAs actually listen to you about mulching the right way?
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the time, no, because they absolutely love to see if they put 100 yards on the trees last year, they want to put 120 yards on the trees this year.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that is my that is my biggest pet peeve.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: My number one pet peeve is volcano mulching, and it is absolute horrible practice, and I have no idea who thinks it looks good, but I wish we would get rid of it out of our industry.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, Luke, we talk about it almost every other show.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's just no way around it.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if I've told this story for the podcast, but there's a spot across from where I do the radio show where they were volcano mulching giant oaks.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: And my last time driving out of there, last two times driving out of there, I realized all that was left was the big volcano mulch, but there was no tree left.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say generally that's what I'll see is on our boulevards that run through our uh highways, divided highways, we have trees.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you'll see every three years, well, they'll rip out a dead tree and they'll replace that tree.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then in another three years, that tree will be dead because you just see the continuous cycle of volcano mulching.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: And in three years, you see halfway up the tree, the tree has mulch all the way around it and ultimately dies, and it's a three or five-year cycle.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: They just keep them coming back and replacing, and and I don't think they understand what is causing the death of these trees.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a level of frustration and anger for people like you and I when we see that I speak in an hoa once a year, and I get angrier and angrier every year.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's an it's like a new development for seniors.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: And every time I go, I just walk out to a tree and I start put pulling that mulch back.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and these are these are expensive trees, these are you know, three-inch caliper trees starting with, and they're just never going to make it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're just it's just it's gonna be this big waste of money.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I always I always ask people the deal with trees, what is it like if I'm driving around with you and you get into this development that has the volcano mulch?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: What will I hear in in your truck or car?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: You would hear me say, oh man, what are we gonna do to fix these trees?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: What do we have to do?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Who do we have to talk to?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Who can we educate to do the proper mulching on these trees?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because ultimately that's going to be the long-term health.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be the long-term goal is to have a safe, healthy, happy tree.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: And before we get to the cold weather, it's a great idea to have a tree mulched the right way before this weather hits.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: But what about this time of the year?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing any of that work?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing when we are we waiting until things warm up to put that mulch down?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: So personally, at my own house, I have 43 green giant arborvities that I planted uh with a hundred percent um success rate.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So in the late fall, what I do is I just get a couple extra bags of mulch and I place them around the tree.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I stay three inches away from the trunk, and I just kind of cover the rest of the the tree, the root zone up with probably three to four inches of mulch, and I let that sit through the winter.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: That way I know that the roots are going to have some kind of protection on top where they can't freeze or less likely to freeze.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the spring, I just kind of go out with the rake before I remulch for that that season, and I go out with the rake and I kind of fluff everything up.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: How many of those trees?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: 43.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: You must hate your neighbors.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted a private backyard, and I went to a local nursery and they were 50% off, so I bought three footers at$32 three years ago, and they are about 16 feet.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: What time of the year did you get that kind of deal?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I bought them right after Labor Day because I started off in the landscape industry, and I knew in Michigan that after Labor Day, most of the plants and trees go on sale.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Man, good for you.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: But you should have said it, you should have said it more proudly.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you kind of kind of glossed over that, Luke.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, come on.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: With that with that many trees to get a hundred percent uh they actually caught on.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Good for you.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, it in that period of time, how how much have they grown?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I planted them at three feet, and uh the biggest one I measured last fall, that was 17 feet.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: I did they they range about 13 to 15 feet.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they were fast.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, had to be planted the right distance apart from each other.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: When they were planted small, did they have a lot of space between them?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I planted them in a W fashion, and I went uh six foot center, and then and the I that was the back row and then the front row, I I went off center with those, so it looks like a W.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I also went six foot out and six foot between the trees.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: How long did it take to get your the privacy you wanted?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: A year, two years?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Two seasons.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I always use the adage that I learned at the nursery is first year they sleep, second year they creep, third year they leap.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the third year, and they have definitely leaped.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: That is so cool.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: That is so great.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, how about the deer?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Will deer go after that that tree or not?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely not.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: They uh the green giants, that's why I planted those.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really have a deer problem at my home, but the foliage of the green giant kind of has a uh pokey uh aspect to it.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And if something gets up and tries to feed on it or it tries to become too close to it, it pokes them and they don't like that, so they run away.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's probably the deer probably put their nose on that, and that's the end of that.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's great news.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And now you've got your nice private backyard.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Good for you.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Before I let you go, tell me a little bit about what you get out of this job and why it's right for you.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: So being a board certified master arborist means the absolute world to me.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when I was going to college, I realized that that's the certification I wanted to have, and I spent 10 years uh pursuing that.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, being a board certified arborist means I like to educate my clients on making the right decision, why they're making the right decision, and what ultimately is going to lead to them being happy with their landscapes.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I want to talk about one more thing, and it's about the cities that we live in.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was traveling and somebody asked me, well, so where do you live?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Pittsburgh.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: And the first question was like, How could you live in Pittsburgh?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're picturing a smoky, you know, uh steel city.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the same thing is true for people who live in Cleveland and Cincinnati and certainly Detroit.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: So a little shout out for Detroit from you, Luke.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: I just shout out to all my Davy uh folks here in Detroit.
• 22:24
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• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Luke.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was great to talk to you.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Great to meet you, and I'm sure we'll talk again.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for your time, buddy.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you, Doug.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have a great afternoon and happy holidays.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: You too.
• 22:42
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