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Cardinals drop series to Rockies ... again · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

0:05
Speaker 1: At long last. Welcome back, Bernie, and welcome you all
0:08
Speaker 1: to Cardinal's territory. It's been a week since we've done
0:11
Speaker 1: an episode together, but it feels like so much longer.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that Rockies recap. So much to talk about.
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Speaker 2: First, I got to say this, Yeah, I thought you
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Speaker 2: had you were like ready to like designate me for
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Speaker 2: assignment or something.
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Speaker 1: Just to designate myself for assignment.
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Speaker 2: That's what happened, all right. I had to get that in. OK.
0:31
Speaker 2: Good to see you, Good to work with you again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so much to talk about after the latest Cardinals series. Look,
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Speaker 1: they were riding a high. They won two of three
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, came back big series, went over the
0:42
Speaker 1: Cubs over yachty weekend, and they promptly get rocks by Colorado.
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Speaker 1: They dropped the series to the Rockies again for the
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Speaker 1: second time, to arguably what could be one of the
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Speaker 1: most historically bad baseball teams ever. And it just takes
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Speaker 1: it just took all the excitement right out of their sales.
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Speaker 1: And the worst part about this one, the six' five
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Speaker 1: loss to The. Rockies are recording This, Wednesday august, thirteenth
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Speaker 1: WAS i don't think The cardinals could have done anything
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Speaker 1: better from a strategy standpoint to ensure a better. Outcome
1:12
Speaker 1: Alli Marvel gott McGreevy out at the right. Time he
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Speaker 1: was cruising through. Six the swings were a little better
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Speaker 1: the second time, through so you don't really want to
1:18
Speaker 1: see him go a third time. Through and then you
1:21
Speaker 1: have your most high leverage relievers rested and ready to.
1:23
Speaker 1: Go you know you're gonna Have lady for. One O'Brien
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Speaker 1: And romero haven't pitched Since, sunday so you can use them.
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Speaker 1: Accordingly you Get Jojo romero in the ninth knowing that
1:31
Speaker 1: The rockies are going to turn over their bench and
1:33
Speaker 1: put the writings. In there's nothing you can do about
1:35
Speaker 1: it because of how the bullpen set. Up Jojo romero
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Speaker 1: has been. Nails what. Happens he gives a pinch hit
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Speaker 1: home run To Undo, goodman the first home run he's
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Speaker 1: surrendered Since april twenty, first and The cardinals lose six to,
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Speaker 1: five a gup punch. Loss burning your, Thoughts, YEAH i.
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Speaker 2: Mean the bullpen is going to be a. Challenge we
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Speaker 2: all figured that would be the, case you, know when
1:54
Speaker 2: they removed three of their best. Dudes, Obviously Hell's Lee
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Speaker 2: mayton and Mattch but the bullpen had done, really really.
2:02
Speaker 2: Well but you, KNOW i think we all watched the
2:05
Speaker 2: bullpen do very very well without their, three without their former.
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Speaker 2: Teammates BUT i think we all also kind of, figured
2:13
Speaker 2: you know, This we've got to live in the real world.
2:15
Speaker 2: Here you, know there's going to inevitably there's gonna be some.
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Speaker 2: Problems and this was just one of those days where
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Speaker 2: the bullpen just wasn't good and it cost them the.
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Speaker 2: GAME i felt. BAD i really did feel bad For Jojo.
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Speaker 2: Romero See i'm not just a mean guy all the.
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Speaker 2: Time he, said he's been so great for The cardinals
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Speaker 2: since Late. April it's just. Great and it was just
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Speaker 2: one of those. Days it happens to, relievers you. Know
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Speaker 2: hecketts happened To Ryan helsley as a met already a
2:40
Speaker 2: couple of. Times so what are you gonna? Do But Katie,
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Speaker 2: man you, know The rockies had not had a shutout
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Speaker 2: if you go back into you, KNOW i think it
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Speaker 2: was Like may twenty fourth Or may fourteenth off something
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Speaker 2: like that of twenty twenty. Four so not only did
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Speaker 2: they beat The cardinals four, times but two of the
3:01
Speaker 2: wins were. SHUTOUTS i, mean if they hadn't shut anyone
3:05
Speaker 2: out until The cardinals came in against The. Cardinals, YEAH i,
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Speaker 2: mean it's just. Unbelievable and you, KNOW i was looking
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Speaker 2: this up to me, too just a very very brief
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Speaker 2: numbers nerd. Thing you, know The cardinals like the last two, days,
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Speaker 2: well in the in the in The i'm, sorry in
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Speaker 2: the two and four record against The. Rockies they only
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Speaker 2: managed to score eighteen runs and five of them came.
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Speaker 2: Today and The rockies this season right, now they're starting
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Speaker 2: their OVERALL era and they're starting pitching E ra would
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Speaker 2: be the worst in a season by a team since
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Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety Six Detroit, tigers who all who lost
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Speaker 2: like one hundred and three or four. Games so how
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Speaker 2: does this?
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Speaker 1: Happen it's so, frustrating AND i, think like you can
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Speaker 1: chalk it up to growing pains. Whatever we know what
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Speaker 1: the season's supposed to be as they transition to twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six and. Beyond but it doesn't change the fact
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Speaker 1: that this team should have performed so much better against The.
4:00
Speaker 1: Rockies and that was a sentiment inside the. Clubhouse you,
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Speaker 1: Know michael McGreevey hasn't been a major leaguer for that.
4:05
Speaker 1: Long BUT i thought he was spot on with you
4:07
Speaker 1: when he, said, like everyone's disappointed by. This we, asked you,
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Speaker 1: know is that the common sentiment in the, clubhouse and
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Speaker 1: he like looked at us if you were. Crazy he,
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Speaker 1: was of, course they know what this. IS i mean
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Speaker 1: The rockies have having won won forty. Games they Entered
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Speaker 1: tuesday's game fifty eight games under five hundred And Oli
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Speaker 1: marmo said On tuesday when The cardinals got shut, out
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Speaker 1: they had to have been much better than To Kyle,
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Speaker 1: freeland who was two and twelve coming into that, matchup
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Speaker 1: had nearway higher Than miles michaelis so disappointing it. Is,
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Speaker 1: yes they had a short, bench you know when they
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Speaker 1: were out without a New bar for a, game Without
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Speaker 1: contraraspur game Without donovan for, Aight inians for a. Game
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Speaker 1: those are three guys that are going to be instrumental
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Speaker 1: in this everyday success going. Forward but bottom line is
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Speaker 1: your next core has to figure out how to Hit rockies.
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Speaker 1: Pitching and what's more frustrating is that they played really
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Speaker 1: competitive ball against The dodgers and really strong baseball against
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Speaker 1: The cubs just to come out flat and again take
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Speaker 1: the wind out of their sales.
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Speaker 2: Here you. Know and, listener so we already talked about the,
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Speaker 2: bullpen and you, know obviously it's a very simple. Thing
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Speaker 2: if they get the three outs they, needed The cardinals.
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Speaker 2: Win BUT i don't want to let the offense off
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Speaker 2: the hook. Said they scored five runs in the first five.
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Speaker 2: Innings they did not score run the final four innings
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Speaker 2: against a wretched pitching staff and a wretched. Bullpen and
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Speaker 2: it isn't that they just got shut out over the
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Speaker 2: last four. INNINGS i, mean you've got to tack on
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Speaker 2: some runs against The. Rockies you just have. To they
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Speaker 2: were zero for twelve WITH i think four strikeouts maybe
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Speaker 2: five in the last four. INNINGS i, mean let's just
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Speaker 2: say the quality of the advats was pretty, bad you.
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Speaker 2: Know and it's just, like you, know to use The
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Speaker 2: tony larusa, thing you. KNOW i hope when The yankees
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Speaker 2: show up On, friday these guys are ready to play
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Speaker 2: a hard night, again because that was pretty. Bad just
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Speaker 2: the offense just completely shut down by A rockies. Bullpen
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Speaker 2: that's just. AWFUL i, mean The cardinals the last two
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Speaker 2: games which they, lost they didn't score a run against
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Speaker 2: The broncki's bullpen IN i think five and two thirds,
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Speaker 2: innings come, on that's, inexcusable, right, well. Stinks we'll talk
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Speaker 2: about that.
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Speaker 1: Later we, will we, will but it's, yeah, FANS i
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Speaker 1: hear your. Frustration it was not a good series that
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Speaker 1: has been backed up by the guys in the, clubhouse
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Speaker 1: just especially when you get another quality star By michael,
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Speaker 1: McGreevy who seems to be figuring things out as he,
6:23
Speaker 1: gets you, know almost a month of consistent playing time
6:25
Speaker 1: in the major league. ROTATION i liked what we saw
6:28
Speaker 1: to McGreevy again to go out and cruise to the
6:30
Speaker 1: first three and then, yeah he did get hit a
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Speaker 1: little bit harder during the, fourth, fifth and sixth. Innings
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Speaker 1: rocky scored one run in each of those. Frames but
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Speaker 1: you can play with fire when you have a pitch
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Speaker 1: to contact staff or a pitch to contact, guy and
6:41
Speaker 1: that fire doubles when you have runners on. Right but
6:44
Speaker 1: McGreevey doesn't, waiver he doesn't, scare and that's what makes
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Speaker 1: him a little different than the majority of the ground
6:49
Speaker 1: ball pitchers that we've seen from The cardinals this, year
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Speaker 1: is because he trusted stuff and he knows he can
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Speaker 1: get out of, it and we saw. That, now would
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Speaker 1: he want a couple of those pitches? Back? Sure. Absolutely
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Speaker 1: he actually wasn't super perturbed About mickey moniac home. Run
7:01
Speaker 1: just wish that he went about it the sequencing a different,
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Speaker 1: way and that's something he's going to learn this early
7:05
Speaker 1: in his. Career but for The cardinals to come out
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Speaker 1: and get a quality start from their picture and not
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Speaker 1: be able to back it, up knowing how often From
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Speaker 1: july first to now they were unable to get a
7:16
Speaker 1: quality start and we're out of games by the third
7:18
Speaker 1: or fourth inning because their starter of the day. Imploded
7:20
Speaker 1: the elect an opportunity on the. Table momentum was really
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Speaker 1: high On, monday it's falling short. Again good an off
7:27
Speaker 1: day recover and hope you can take advantage of a
7:29
Speaker 1: Flailing yankee. Squad but, yeah this one Hurts perning.
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Speaker 2: Definitely you, know if they win the, Series i'm fine with.
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Speaker 2: THAT i, mean you, know sometimes it's easy to be
7:36
Speaker 2: demanding and, say, oh you got to sweep this. Team
7:38
Speaker 2: you never demand a. Sweep you just keep stacking series,
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Speaker 2: wins you, know and you got to win that. Game
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Speaker 2: maybe you have a five to three, Lead come, ON i,
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Speaker 2: mean that. Was was that the Worst i'm gonna ask,
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Speaker 2: You i'd defer to the. Expert was that the worst
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Speaker 2: loss of their? Season i'm thinking it. Was it felt like.
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Speaker 1: It it felt like just because of what they were
7:58
Speaker 1: able to do after the trade. Deadline we all thought
8:00
Speaker 1: coming after the deadline that The, cardinals you, know they
8:02
Speaker 1: traded away their top three. Relievers the sentiment, is let's
8:04
Speaker 1: focus on the. Future that's the messaging from the. Organization
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Speaker 1: and you had a lot of players stuff, up specifically
8:10
Speaker 1: in that. Bullpen so to come out and not take
8:13
Speaker 1: advantage of a very feeble, opponent that. Sucks plan, simple
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Speaker 1: that's not. FUN i.
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Speaker 2: Think, yeah we've seen a couple of things go down
8:25
Speaker 2: in the last week or. So, YEAH i think last
8:28
Speaker 2: week or. So, ANYWAY i think this defines kind of
8:34
Speaker 2: this wacky, nature unpredictable, nature topsy turvy, nature tilt the
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Speaker 2: world nature of The. Cardinals you win the season series
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Speaker 2: from The dodgers and you lose the season series to The.
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Speaker 1: Rockies make it makes.
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Speaker 2: Sense that's the twenty twenty Five cardinals right. There huh very.
8:52
Speaker 1: Much we talked about their roller coaster. Season we're still on.
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Speaker 1: It and.
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Speaker 2: You, know in CASH i don't even know what else to.
9:00
Speaker 2: ADD i Guess i'll just leave it at. That but
9:02
Speaker 2: but we've seen this from this team all, year where you, know,
9:07
Speaker 2: gosh they get off to a terrible start and they
9:09
Speaker 2: catch fire and they're the best team in baseball In,
9:11
Speaker 2: may and then they start to fall, apart and then
9:14
Speaker 2: they're awful From june thirtieth up until. Recently we counted
9:19
Speaker 2: them out once or. Twice then we counted them out
9:22
Speaker 2: for sure after the, deadline and then they rally from.
9:24
Speaker 2: That at one point before when they Beat colorado the other,
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Speaker 2: night they The cardinals were, like had won five out of.
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Speaker 2: Seven so now we're all looking at the playoff odds
9:34
Speaker 2: and we're looking at the, schedule and we're, thinking, well
9:36
Speaker 2: it's a long, shot but that's kind of. Interesting Maybe
9:40
Speaker 2: and now you, know then just when you think you
9:42
Speaker 2: figured them, out which is stupid because we can't really
9:44
Speaker 2: figure them out because they're so, inconsistent then this they
9:49
Speaker 2: lay eggs on consecutive days against the worst, team not
9:53
Speaker 2: only this. Year maybe it'll go down as the worst
9:54
Speaker 2: team in the history of the.
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Speaker 1: Game it's not what you. Want but don't, worry, GUYS
9:58
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10:00
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Speaker 1: Promos all, Right so topic that's going to come up
11:16
Speaker 1: In cardinal's, land regardless of windsor, losses is what to
11:19
Speaker 1: do About Matthew Libertore for the remainder of the, Season
11:22
Speaker 1: libby was not able to recording out in the fifth. Inning,
11:24
Speaker 1: yesterday he threw three innings a perfect ball to start
11:27
Speaker 1: his start On. Tuesday the blow started to dip a
11:30
Speaker 1: little bit in the, fourth but it was manageable and
11:32
Speaker 1: then really had a nozable drop off in the, fifth
11:34
Speaker 1: and that's Where Ali marmel said we've seen enough and
11:37
Speaker 1: pulled them with two runners on there sustaining below as
11:40
Speaker 1: we know has been a big thing For libby coming
11:41
Speaker 1: out of the second. Half it's why The cardinals skipped
11:44
Speaker 1: his first start comming out of The All star, break
11:46
Speaker 1: and since, Then libby has not really been able to
11:48
Speaker 1: sustain much of. That his stuff has followed his command his.
11:52
Speaker 1: Velocity he has not recorded more than five innings since
11:56
Speaker 1: The All star. Break we Knew libby was it going
11:58
Speaker 1: to be reaching his career innings at some point in
12:01
Speaker 1: the second. Half The cardinals were where this could be a.
12:03
Speaker 1: Problem he will make his next, start but If Maggie
12:06
Speaker 1: libertore continues to, falter his health and his longevity next
12:10
Speaker 1: season is much more important than how The cardinals figure
12:13
Speaker 1: how to finished this. Year the, problem, Though, bernie as we,
12:15
Speaker 1: know as we've talked about all season, long The cardinals
12:18
Speaker 1: don't really have much in terms of depth to alleviate this.
12:21
Speaker 1: Problem they could turn to a piggyback role with Both
12:23
Speaker 1: Kyle lahy And Matt swhonson stretch out for, length but
12:26
Speaker 1: it is certainly not. Ideal, bernie what is your concern
12:29
Speaker 1: level About libby's below.
12:30
Speaker 2: Issues, YEAH i guess it's moderate from the. STANDPOINT i
12:34
Speaker 2: think they'll handle this. PROPERLY i don't think they're going
12:37
Speaker 2: to you, know push it or force the. Issue they've
12:39
Speaker 2: already shown their back and. Off but but you know,
12:43
Speaker 2: WHERE i guess where is the line of demarcation on.
12:46
Speaker 2: That in other, words there's a does it will there
12:51
Speaker 2: come a point sorry where they just look at this and,
12:53
Speaker 2: say you know, what just to be, safe we had
12:56
Speaker 2: to shut him down for the rest of the. Season you,
12:57
Speaker 2: KNOW i think that should be a consideration because because sometimes,
13:01
Speaker 2: listen we know that the basic reason that we all jump,
13:05
Speaker 2: on which is you, know, fine is, well he hasn't
13:08
Speaker 2: been a starting pitcher in the majors, before and he you,
13:11
Speaker 2: know he has Not he's not used to this innings.
13:13
Speaker 2: Load and you, know in his first ten starts of
13:17
Speaker 2: the season he basically averaged six innings per, start which
13:21
Speaker 2: you know He so they wrote him pretty, hard And
13:23
Speaker 2: i'm not ripping them or, Criticized i'm just saying they.
13:26
Speaker 2: Did that's a, fact the average five point nine innings
13:29
Speaker 2: for his first ten starts and then kind of hit the,
13:32
Speaker 2: wall bounce back a little, bit hit the wall. Again
13:34
Speaker 2: SO i he's a he's a precious talent that has
13:38
Speaker 2: a chance to be really outstanding in a really important
13:41
Speaker 2: memory of your rotation for years to. Come so if
13:44
Speaker 2: there's any doubt, whatsoever don't don't force, it you, know
13:47
Speaker 2: shut him down if you feel you have. To and
13:50
Speaker 2: AND i hope AND i trust that The cardinals are
13:54
Speaker 2: also going to kind of look at his off season
13:56
Speaker 2: and maybe come up with some ways that will help.
13:59
Speaker 2: Him he works, hard and he cares, deeply but maybe
14:03
Speaker 2: there's something to do with his preparation in the off
14:06
Speaker 2: season that can gird him better for you, know being
14:10
Speaker 2: a major league starting pitcher for thirty thirty three games
14:13
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. SIX i think they have to look
14:16
Speaker 2: at all of, That BUT i JUST i WOULD i
14:19
Speaker 2: think that everything can turn out just. Fine BUT i
14:22
Speaker 2: hope that they're really careful with what they do here
14:25
Speaker 2: the remainder of the, season and to.
14:27
Speaker 1: Their, credit they have. Been they have been so careful
14:30
Speaker 1: about pitching. Injuries and while a little bit of luck
14:33
Speaker 1: is involved in, that you can't control many of these extra.
14:35
Speaker 1: Circumstances they have been since day one so cognizant about
14:39
Speaker 1: how they're using pitchers the overall, innings how they're taking
14:43
Speaker 1: care of guys on the off. Days we know about
14:44
Speaker 1: that six man or six days of rest formula that
14:47
Speaker 1: they had for most of the first. Half i've said it,
14:50
Speaker 1: Before i've said it all season. Long i'm not changing
14:51
Speaker 1: my mind on. This they did, absolutely one hundred percent
14:54
Speaker 1: the right thing With Matthew libertor this. Year, Sure, no
14:57
Speaker 1: we've gone back and. Forth you needed to know what
14:59
Speaker 1: he was as a starter because starting pitching is so
15:02
Speaker 1: thin in this, organization and he has the makeup to do.
15:05
Speaker 1: It he's proved, it he's shown. It now it's about sustaining.
15:08
Speaker 1: It but if it in any means it's going to
15:09
Speaker 1: impact his health or his availability next, year you don't risk.
15:12
Speaker 1: It because he's shown The cardinals what they need to
15:14
Speaker 1: see and that's someone that you can build around for
15:17
Speaker 1: next year in twenty, seven. Etc SO i am With.
15:21
Speaker 1: JOURNEY i. AGREE i don't like it For libby BECAUSE
15:24
Speaker 1: i think he has such still such untapped, potential AND
15:26
Speaker 1: i look forward To libby. Starts he's worked, really really
15:29
Speaker 1: hard and to hear how open he was about his
15:31
Speaker 1: struggles On, tuesday about how this is not the picture
15:34
Speaker 1: he wants to, be how he doesn't know what's going.
15:36
Speaker 1: On it's a frustrating, challenge but he's determined to fix.
15:38
Speaker 1: IT i believe he, will uh And i'm glad The
15:41
Speaker 1: cardinals are giving him at least one more start to
15:43
Speaker 1: try to adjust this on the. Fly at this point
15:45
Speaker 1: what you have to. Lose but the second That libby
15:47
Speaker 1: is unable in a noticeable way for a prolonged amount of.
15:50
Speaker 1: Time and at this point we're getting there and the
15:52
Speaker 1: stuff isn't, holding the bilo isn't, holding and the command isn't.
15:54
Speaker 1: Going you need to make the best decision for his.
15:56
Speaker 1: Future AND i think The cardinals will.
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Speaker 2: Do, That AND i don't want to overreact to the
16:00
Speaker 2: loss of. Velocity and you pointed something. Else it's it's
16:03
Speaker 2: also very much about his loss of. Command it isn't
16:06
Speaker 2: just a. Velo but it's like if you look at
16:09
Speaker 2: his first ten, starts like his walk rate was one
16:11
Speaker 2: of the lost by a starting pitcher in the. MAJORS
16:13
Speaker 2: i mean it was like pinpoint. Control it was really
16:16
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing to. Watch BUT i think we're also
16:20
Speaker 2: used to, these you, know, terrible terrible pitching, injuries just
16:25
Speaker 2: the way the industry is with everyone of the high
16:28
Speaker 2: velo and everything. ELSE i, mean starting, pitchers especially breaking
16:31
Speaker 2: down all the. Time And i'm not saying that this
16:34
Speaker 2: is always the. Case obviously it's. Not but you, KNOW
16:38
Speaker 2: i think a guy's in the, past you, know the
16:41
Speaker 2: velocities dropped and the commands really, suffering and you, know
16:47
Speaker 2: the next, thing you, know you get you, know your,
16:49
Speaker 2: starter it's, like, well they're gonna look at. Him he
16:52
Speaker 2: might you, know he might have a flexer strain or,
16:55
Speaker 2: something and then that leads to an elbow an elbow,
16:58
Speaker 2: problem and it just it's just kind of mushrooms from.
17:01
Speaker 2: THERE i, mean that's what happened With Corbyn. Burns you,
17:03
Speaker 2: know he was losing V lo last year In Baltimore arizona.
17:07
Speaker 2: SIGNS i, mean he was losing more V low early
17:10
Speaker 2: this season before he finally had to come To Tommy john.
17:13
Speaker 2: SURGERY i, mean the losing vloa, thing you, know for
17:17
Speaker 2: a pitcher who was otherwise in great, shape who was trained,
17:21
Speaker 2: properly is ultra. Competitive when all of a sudden the
17:25
Speaker 2: v low, tanks that's a red flag and The cardinals know,
17:30
Speaker 2: that which is why they're backing. Off you.
17:32
Speaker 1: Know, yeah. Agreed, now the second tier to this problem
17:35
Speaker 1: is if The cardinals decide to Taper livvy, back that's.
17:39
Speaker 1: Fine you can Have Kyle lahey. PIGGYBACK i believe That
17:42
Speaker 1: kyle Lay heat will actually be when pitching the catch
17:45
Speaker 1: to report next year be reporting as a. Starter Matt
17:47
Speaker 1: sjohnson talk about a guy that's really, thrived And i'll
17:50
Speaker 1: dive more into this WHEN i have more, Information but
17:52
Speaker 1: this is just initial stuff that was brought me over this.
17:54
Speaker 1: Series if you want to look at how The cardinals
17:56
Speaker 1: new pitching development system is working in the minor, leagues
18:00
Speaker 1: look at What Matt spohson's been able to do since
18:02
Speaker 1: being called up in the first week Of. July this
18:05
Speaker 1: is what we can get excited. About So i'm excited
18:07
Speaker 1: to dive a little bit more into. That but the
18:08
Speaker 1: stuff from sponson the, effectiveness the changes that he made
18:11
Speaker 1: from a mechanic standpoint command and overall. Usage this is
18:15
Speaker 1: what The cardinals are working down In TRIPLE A DOUBLE
18:17
Speaker 1: a with new director of Pitching matt pierpont Rob'sor Folioheim.
18:20
Speaker 1: Bloom they're all over. This Matt swohnson is a very
18:23
Speaker 1: early sample size on what you can see for those new.
18:25
Speaker 1: Changes so that is. Exciting there is your positive note
18:27
Speaker 1: of the podcast of the. Day they can. Piggyback it's
18:31
Speaker 1: going to make this already complicated bullpen even more complicated to.
18:35
Speaker 1: Navigate and, HONESTLY i Think Allie marmel And Dusty blake
18:38
Speaker 1: have done a really good job given what they. Have
18:40
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of depth. Options you Have
18:43
Speaker 1: Aaron wilkerson And Curtis taylor to depth right handers that
18:47
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily a part of the, future but have been
18:49
Speaker 1: at least capable of throwing innings In, memphis so they
18:52
Speaker 1: could come up and spots. Start none of this is,
18:54
Speaker 1: ideal and it further emphasizes The cardinals need to get
18:57
Speaker 1: back on pitching development and really both their mind like
19:00
Speaker 1: system with, arms because they are severely lacking and this
19:03
Speaker 1: problem that they've created is again because of their own
19:07
Speaker 1: unavailability with players in their.
19:08
Speaker 2: System what are the odds that the card has given the,
19:12
Speaker 2: FACT i, mean his last two starts in particular have been.
19:15
Speaker 2: Fantastic i'm talking About Quinn, matthews what are the odds
19:19
Speaker 2: that They i'm not saying you call him Up august,
19:22
Speaker 2: fifteenth it's like the first day you can and where
19:25
Speaker 2: he can still maintain his rookie eligibility next. Season But
19:29
Speaker 2: i'm talking maybe the end Of august do you give
19:32
Speaker 2: him a couple of starts and do you do you
19:34
Speaker 2: handle him with? Care you know you almost have an opener.
19:36
Speaker 2: Situation you let, them you, know you let them pitch two,
19:40
Speaker 2: winnings maybe then start turning into a bullpend. Game do
19:43
Speaker 2: you get a look at? Him do you let him
19:45
Speaker 2: get acclimated to the? Majors would that expedite his development
19:49
Speaker 2: to the from the standpoint that he'll have a feel for,
19:52
Speaker 2: it he'll experience, it and then it makes, them puts
19:56
Speaker 2: them in a spot where he's he knows what to
19:59
Speaker 2: expect and have a better feel for pitching the major
20:01
Speaker 2: leagues when he goes to spring? Training is have you
20:05
Speaker 2: have you heard anything that tells you one way or the,
20:07
Speaker 2: other either yay or nay on the idea of bringing
20:10
Speaker 2: him up and Not brian, Died i'm not pushing, him
20:13
Speaker 2: just just letting him pitch a little.
20:14
Speaker 1: Bit we're talking About, matthews, right you cut out for a.
20:16
Speaker 1: Second right when he said the, NAME i was, like,
20:18
Speaker 1: oh but, yes, OKAY i Figured. SUTHEW i can see both.
20:22
Speaker 1: Sides i've said on the show. Before you don't call
20:25
Speaker 1: a top pitching prospect up based on. Team need you
20:28
Speaker 1: call him up based on player, performance And Quinn matthews
20:31
Speaker 1: has done a lot better as of, late BUT i
20:33
Speaker 1: think there are still some things to find. Too John
20:35
Speaker 1: mozelac went on one on ONE Espn The on The Morning,
20:39
Speaker 1: show and it gave a pretty good interview to those,
20:40
Speaker 1: guys The tim mc kernan out, there and also pointed
20:43
Speaker 1: out this WHICH i didn't really. Consider this is not
20:45
Speaker 1: a protection year For Quinn. Matthews he doesn't need to
20:47
Speaker 1: be added to the forty man. Roster they don't need
20:49
Speaker 1: to make those kinds of changes, yet and if they,
20:51
Speaker 1: do that's probably not a mode, decision that's a High blom.
20:54
Speaker 1: Decision SO i don't see The cardinals really rushing Up Quinn,
20:57
Speaker 1: matthews knowing how important it is for them to get
20:59
Speaker 1: their very limited TRIPLE a arms right for twenty twenty
21:03
Speaker 1: six and then burning your protection on the forty man.
21:06
Speaker 1: ROSTER i don't think that makes a lot of sense
21:08
Speaker 1: for them to do right.
21:09
Speaker 2: Now.
21:09
Speaker 1: Now If Quinn matthews absolutely shoves for the next three
21:12
Speaker 1: four weeks and as worthy of A september roster expansion call,
21:15
Speaker 1: up maybe we're having a different. Conversation but with pitching,
21:18
Speaker 1: specifically it is so much better overall for everyone to
21:23
Speaker 1: wait to call them, up maybe even wait a little too,
21:25
Speaker 1: late than to bring them up too, early as we've
21:26
Speaker 1: seen so many times here in Sy. LEWIS i.
21:28
Speaker 2: AGREE i agree with you on, principle AND i don't
21:31
Speaker 2: know if the same thing applies to a guy LIKE Jj.
21:33
Speaker 2: WEATHERHOLD i know there's a lot a lot of consternation
21:35
Speaker 2: about the forty men. ROSTER i just happen to. BELIEVE i,
21:40
Speaker 2: mean these dudes a natural born. Hitter AND i also
21:44
Speaker 2: think The, cardinals you, know at least want to try
21:46
Speaker 2: to sell some tickets for twenty twenty, Six i'd. Hope, so,
21:50
Speaker 2: yeah if you give the, people you, know a sneak
21:53
Speaker 2: preview of coming, attractions because you know they're going to
21:56
Speaker 2: market the heck out OF Jj weatherhold all off, season well, yeah,
22:01
Speaker 2: right so you gotta you got to bring them, up
22:03
Speaker 2: give the people what they want to. See you, know
22:05
Speaker 2: you want to you want to cause some or stimulate some.
22:08
Speaker 2: EXCITEMENT i think a look see WITH jj would would.
22:11
Speaker 2: Help but, uh anyway THAT i wanted to throw that
22:14
Speaker 2: in Because matthews AND jj are kind of in the
22:16
Speaker 2: same situation as far as they're unbelievable upside in terms
22:22
Speaker 2: of their potential for the major.
22:24
Speaker 1: Leagues And JJ's been. Swinging it was just named The
22:26
Speaker 1: Cardinals Minor league player of The month For. July has
22:29
Speaker 1: six lead off homers From memphis AND i think he's
22:31
Speaker 1: played there for not even a month, yet so it's.
22:33
Speaker 1: Exciting i'm all in the JJ w the whole, train,
22:35
Speaker 1: absolutely BUT i don't think The cardinals are in any rush,
22:38
Speaker 1: too because if you look at their current roster right,
22:40
Speaker 1: now where would you even play? Him? Bertie, oh we.
22:43
Speaker 1: Don't we have a roster revendency problem here In Saint.
22:46
Speaker 1: Louis never heard that.
22:46
Speaker 2: Before, yeah, yeah, boy why do you have to bring that? Up?
22:52
Speaker 1: Sorry maybe, okay, commercial we'll calm.
22:54
Speaker 2: Down, NO i, Mean i'm, kidding of, course but, yeah
22:58
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23:02
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23:04
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23:07
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23:09
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23:11
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23:13
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24:21
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24:25
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24:29
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24:32
Speaker 1: tailspoon a tailspin of their, own so it will be
24:34
Speaker 1: if anything interesting over the next were days at the, Ballpark,
24:37
Speaker 1: bertie anything you need to, express get off your mind.
24:40
Speaker 1: Bench we can make this a therapy. Session what do you.
24:42
Speaker 2: Got you, know we were talking About Heim bloom and
24:46
Speaker 2: he's going to have a crucial off season coming, up
24:49
Speaker 2: and obviously we all have to kind of adjust our
24:54
Speaker 2: expectations because this isn't going to be you, know, well Mister,
24:58
Speaker 2: DeWitt CAN i have this one to sign this free?
25:00
Speaker 2: Agent AND i want to sign that free, agent AND
25:02
Speaker 2: i want to sign this free. Agent it's it's not
25:05
Speaker 2: that off. Season they're starting the rebuild in. Earnest i'm
25:07
Speaker 2: not talking about a tear, down but they're starting their
25:12
Speaker 2: Their they've already started it really Today this year is
25:16
Speaker 2: the first, step but it really moves into overdrive With Heim.
25:19
Speaker 2: Bloom and you, Know i've used this cliche on a
25:22
Speaker 2: couple of other media appearances and even my own column
25:25
Speaker 2: So i'm sorry to use it, again but you, KNOW
25:27
Speaker 2: i like to, barbecue and you, know for a while
25:31
Speaker 2: THERE i was getting really. Fancy and you, know when
25:34
Speaker 2: you put a brisket, on or you put a pork
25:36
Speaker 2: butt on or, whatever you, know the way to do
25:38
Speaker 2: it low and, slow low and, slow don't rush, it
25:41
Speaker 2: don't turn the temperature up too. High low and, slow
25:45
Speaker 2: and that's how you come up with the perfect brisket
25:47
Speaker 2: or pork. Butt, right how do you like?
25:49
Speaker 1: That that's really?
25:50
Speaker 2: GOOD i know right, well this is going to be
25:53
Speaker 2: low and, slow And cardinals fans are gonna have to
25:56
Speaker 2: get used to. It i'm not saying they have to like.
25:57
Speaker 2: It but they hired build A wood hired And John
26:00
Speaker 2: mosaic Hired Heine bloom for a reason because he had a.
26:04
Speaker 2: Plan in, fact The deuits were blown away when you,
26:08
Speaker 2: know it's part of before he got the. Job they
26:12
Speaker 2: wanted him to present his. Plan and he made a
26:17
Speaker 2: presentation that lasted over three, hours you, know and and
26:23
Speaker 2: it's like like every detailed, COVERED i, mean step by
26:28
Speaker 2: step by. Step so he's, listen this is an incredibly smart,
26:31
Speaker 2: man And i'm going to trust what he thinks is
26:36
Speaker 2: best because The cardinals need to get out of the.
26:38
Speaker 2: Middle if it means a couple more years where it
26:41
Speaker 2: might be a little, frustrating or they're going to take
26:43
Speaker 2: a hit to tendance, wise, well they're not going to raise,
26:46
Speaker 2: playrolls so they'll be able to least financially be, fine
26:49
Speaker 2: or they're fine any way. Financially but the thing that's
26:53
Speaker 2: on my mind, is you, know we know that there
26:57
Speaker 2: will be, trades and we know that this offense has to,
27:00
Speaker 2: change not only in just bottom line. Performance it's been
27:02
Speaker 2: the worst offense in The majors statistically Since june. Thirtieth,
27:07
Speaker 2: coincidentally that's when they open that series In pittsburgh and
27:10
Speaker 2: got shut out three days in a. Row they've scored
27:12
Speaker 2: the fewest runs per game any team in The majors since,
27:14
Speaker 2: then starting, then and they're like twenty ninth and you,
27:18
Speaker 2: know twenty ninth and slugging and twenty ninth in ops just.
27:21
Speaker 2: Awful but it isn't just the bottom. Line it's also
27:24
Speaker 2: going to be AND i want to get your opinion on,
27:26
Speaker 2: this maybe this could be an upcoming segment next time we.
27:30
Speaker 2: Meet but they have to ease the log. Dam they
27:33
Speaker 2: have got to offload some left handed. Bats if Heim
27:36
Speaker 2: bloom does, ANYTHING i hope that he lands a right
27:38
Speaker 2: handed bat that can play in the. Outfield it could
27:41
Speaker 2: be part of its. Trade but you know who's he
27:45
Speaker 2: going to? Trade how aggressive will he? Be will he
27:47
Speaker 2: move two of these left handed? Bats will he be somewhat?
27:52
Speaker 2: Conservative or will he go into this thinking, no this
27:55
Speaker 2: is the time to strike, now because IF i don't
27:58
Speaker 2: move PLAYER A b see talking about left handed, bats
28:03
Speaker 2: their value may continue to. Tank and so this will
28:06
Speaker 2: be the time if there's interest in them in the
28:08
Speaker 2: car and they claim that there was a lot of
28:10
Speaker 2: interest them in them in the trade. Deadline so what's
28:13
Speaker 2: Time bloom gonna. Do we know what his bottom line job,
28:15
Speaker 2: is but what's he going to do in terms of
28:18
Speaker 2: handling this specific off season in a way that also
28:22
Speaker 2: attacks the very pressing problems that have bugged them all?
28:26
Speaker 2: Year the overload of left handed, bats the positional log,
28:30
Speaker 2: jams the lack of right handed, power you, know all
28:34
Speaker 2: kinds of. Things how does he deal with that in
28:36
Speaker 2: the near.
28:37
Speaker 1: Future, well it's a two fold thing for. Me the
28:41
Speaker 1: active roster needs to be addressed and the forty man
28:44
Speaker 1: construction and operation and how The cardinals use that has
28:47
Speaker 1: blown my mind and not in a good way for seasons,
28:50
Speaker 1: now AND i think that's going to be obviously one
28:53
Speaker 1: of the main prerogatives of the front office of Under
28:55
Speaker 1: Hein bloom to come in and address you cannot play
28:57
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty sixth season with the same rouss your
29:00
Speaker 1: construction on your active roster as you do right, now
29:02
Speaker 1: and you have to have better options on your forty
29:04
Speaker 1: MAN i could spend thirty minutes talking about the forty man,
29:08
Speaker 1: roster BUT i won't do. That and those things are
29:10
Speaker 1: not going to be addressed in the course of two,
29:12
Speaker 1: weeks Right that's going to take the entire, offseason if
29:14
Speaker 1: not into spring training to solidify. That and it's probably
29:17
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty six overall big picture as we sit
29:20
Speaker 1: here before the twenty five season even. Ends that's something
29:24
Speaker 1: that cannot be fixed in a. Month you, know that's
29:26
Speaker 1: at least an off, season if not an entire season's
29:28
Speaker 1: worth of roster. Maneuvers but the one thing that The
29:31
Speaker 1: cardinal's new front office can, do whether It's heime And,
29:34
Speaker 1: bloom whether It's Robs, orfolio whether It's Matt, pierpont whether
29:36
Speaker 1: it's whoever the NEW gm is going to be is
29:39
Speaker 1: nail the messaging and be transparent with. Fans fans do
29:42
Speaker 1: not want to be gas lit. Anymore they've had. Enough
29:46
Speaker 1: look at the. Stadium why do you think they're not showing?
29:48
Speaker 1: Up AND i think this new front, OFFICE i think
29:50
Speaker 1: every single one of these people understand, that AND i
29:52
Speaker 1: think they know they have to nail the. Messaging we
29:54
Speaker 1: haven't really heard much from. Them you, Know moe is
29:57
Speaker 1: still in charge of the organization and still is handling
29:59
Speaker 1: all of the media and all. That but behind the,
30:01
Speaker 1: SCENES i think there's a real push for the New
30:04
Speaker 1: wave to come in and be open with. Fans AND
30:06
Speaker 1: i hope this is. TRUE i hope they are and, explain,
30:09
Speaker 1: hey here's what's going on. Here because The cardinals tried
30:11
Speaker 1: to do. That they they tried to be transparent In.
30:14
Speaker 1: OCTOBER i didn't love the end of season press. Conference you,
30:17
Speaker 1: know if that they, tried it wasn't. Good but they,
30:19
Speaker 1: tried and then they went back on it and kind
30:21
Speaker 1: of did a like this applies to half the, roster
30:23
Speaker 1: but not the other. Half we're, competing but we're also.
30:26
Speaker 1: Retuneling we're not gonna call it a, rebuil but everyone
30:28
Speaker 1: knows it's a, rebuild and we have two front offices
30:30
Speaker 1: at the same, time so go get. Them that only
30:32
Speaker 1: muddied the message and they and their best attempts to
30:35
Speaker 1: try to be, transparent so it didn't. Work this office
30:38
Speaker 1: has to be a lot better than, that AND i
30:40
Speaker 1: think they understand.
30:41
Speaker 2: That, yeah And i'm not gonna whatch you, said because
30:44
Speaker 2: you laid it out very very, well but to just you,
30:47
Speaker 2: know put a point on. It i'm not Saying cardinals
30:51
Speaker 2: fans are gonna like What Pine bloom has to say in.
30:54
Speaker 2: Robesterfolio they probably won't like hearing the word. Rebuild but
30:59
Speaker 2: you know, WHAT i Think cardinals fans are good, people
31:01
Speaker 2: AND i think that they will appreciate the fact that
31:04
Speaker 2: someone is being straight with them and there's no double,
31:07
Speaker 2: talk there's no you, know making these declarations and then
31:14
Speaker 2: taking them, back you, know and you're never really putting
31:16
Speaker 2: them into. Play your fans want to be treated with.
31:20
Speaker 2: Respect the first thing to do to get their trust
31:22
Speaker 2: back is to treat them with respect and tell them the.
31:25
Speaker 2: Truth even if the truth is not what they necessarily
31:28
Speaker 2: want to. Hear they'll they'll respect respects you for respecting
31:32
Speaker 2: them instead of trying to run a con you, know
31:36
Speaker 2: or some kind of fast. Talking, well this is our,
31:38
Speaker 2: plan which really isn't a. Plan SO i am glad
31:42
Speaker 2: to hear, that And i'm not surprised to hear that
31:44
Speaker 2: they're all on board with telling the truth and being
31:47
Speaker 2: straight with. People that's the that's the, start and that's
31:50
Speaker 2: the first indication that The cardinals really will have new
31:54
Speaker 2: and better leadership running things from this point. On And jama's, like,
32:00
Speaker 2: LISTEN i, WILL i will at the appropriate time coming up,
32:06
Speaker 2: SOON i will write a tribute to him because of
32:09
Speaker 2: the work that he did for so. Long he did
32:12
Speaker 2: an excellent. Job but he's like a. Pitcher that. Happened
32:16
Speaker 2: it happens in. Sports he just kind of lost his,
32:18
Speaker 2: fastball right, well and he, YEAH i lost mine a
32:23
Speaker 2: long time. Ago then he you, know he lost his,
32:25
Speaker 2: fastball and then he was kind of like became a
32:28
Speaker 2: guy that was kind of a junk. Baller he's trying
32:31
Speaker 2: to throw this, pitch that, pitch try to sell, pitch
32:34
Speaker 2: try to try to try to hoping something will. Land
32:37
Speaker 2: and BUT i think and people will get mad at
32:41
Speaker 2: me for praising him on the way, Out But i'll
32:43
Speaker 2: be praising him for what he. Did you, know he
32:46
Speaker 2: was actually here Before Tony LaRusso Because Walt jacket he
32:49
Speaker 2: brought him From colorado and then they Hired. Larusa John
32:53
Speaker 2: mazak made some monster moves that helped The cardinals win
32:58
Speaker 2: a lot of games and a lot of big, games
33:00
Speaker 2: and the twenty Eleven World series and the twenty thirteen.
33:03
Speaker 2: Nationally so but his, time you, know has come and,
33:08
Speaker 2: gone AND i THINK i Think Bill DeWitt maybe stayed
33:12
Speaker 2: the course too. Long BUT i look forward to new.
33:15
Speaker 2: Leadership it isn't THAT i Hate John. MOZELAC i go
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Speaker 2: way way back with. Him you, KNOW i like him
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Speaker 2: a lot. Personally he does not like me very much
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Speaker 2: at this moment in. Time, yeah But i've Been i've
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Speaker 2: been pretty, uh pretty, nasty maybe too much at. Times
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Speaker 2: But i'm gonna tip The captain mo on the way,
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Speaker 2: out and Then i'm gonna be really really just as
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Speaker 2: someone the fan in me but also caring about the
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Speaker 2: fans here In Saint. Louis i'm gonna be so happy
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Speaker 2: that they get to have new people in, charge new
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Speaker 2: people THAT i think will handle so many things a
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Speaker 2: lot better from where The cardinals started to go after
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Speaker 2: their model and their methods and everything else got.
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Speaker 1: Stale, agreed and we'll end it here Because i'm with, You.
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Speaker 1: Bernie for we talk a lot about the future of
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Speaker 1: the organization because it's time for change and because it's
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Speaker 1: honestly going to be a brand new ordeal for all
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Speaker 1: of us, involved, fans media. Alike that doesn't mean That
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Speaker 1: i'm not gonna discredit What John mozilla's entire tenure has
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Speaker 1: been In Saint. LOUIS i know the last three years
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Speaker 1: have not been, great But I'm i'm not, gonna you,
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Speaker 1: know throw an, entire, respectful respectable career out the. Door
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Speaker 1: AND i hope That cardinals fans can, EVENTUALLY i understand
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Speaker 1: why you're not right, now but can eventually realize what
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Speaker 1: he did from a grand scope of, things The cardinals
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Speaker 1: had a real sick run under. Him but don't. Worry
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Speaker 1: we'll do The mosallic tribute episode to the.
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Speaker 5: End of the.
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Speaker 1: Season we'll take an off. Day Polo asensio is going
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Speaker 1: to join me talk ABOUT yachti weekend because that, was you,
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Speaker 1: know really cool of me to, miss and he's very
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Speaker 1: close To Jojo, Romero so we'll talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: more about What jo does look like in the closer.
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Speaker 1: Role we just want to talk about this, afternoon and
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Speaker 1: Then bernie AND i will hopefully have something for you
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Speaker 1: On sunday as we recap a bounce back. Series let's
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Speaker 1: manifest THAT i don't Know bertie as always super great
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Speaker 1: to have, You, Karl thanks always for. Listening we'll be
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Speaker 1: back with you.
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Speaker 2: Soon thank.
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Speaker 1: You