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Sharri | 29 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Spin News, This is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Good Evening. I'm Caroline Marcus, filling in for Shari.
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Speaker 2: Coming up to night. An October seven rape survivor confronts
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Speaker 2: the UN over its hypocrisy.
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Speaker 3: Your report speaks of a valence against woman. Way is
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Speaker 3: there no mention of commas.
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Speaker 2: Alana Gritsewski joins me exclusively tonight and she'll respond to
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Speaker 2: Grace tame A Bondeye massacre survivor shot in.
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Speaker 4: The head, then smeared online.
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Speaker 2: As a crisis actor tonight the sick deep fakes exposed
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Speaker 2: at the Anti Semitism Royal Commission and the fallout of
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Speaker 2: the latest News poll, the coalition have slipped so far
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Speaker 2: even the Greens are breathing down Angus Taylor's neck my panel,
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Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd and Kayla Bond joined me shortly.
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Speaker 4: But first tonight.
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Speaker 2: The Royal Commission's public hearings resumed today, this latest bloc
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Speaker 2: focusing on anti Semitism in both traditional media and social media.
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Speaker 2: The bloc opened with confirmation that the Commission would call
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Speaker 2: witnesses from the ABC and SBS to take the stand.
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Speaker 2: Council assisting Richard Lancaster said the Commission had received submissions
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Speaker 2: that were highly critical of the public broadcaster's role in
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Speaker 2: stoking anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: There are complaints that the ABC and the SBS have
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Speaker 1: produced coverage that is inaccurate or unbalanced, both in their
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Speaker 1: selection of stories and focus and in the reportage that
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Speaker 1: they produce.
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Speaker 2: We also heard shocking testimony a victim of the Bondye
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Speaker 2: terror attack was subjected to a relentless online campaign using
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Speaker 2: manipulated AI images to make him look like he was
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Speaker 2: faking his injuries. Arson Ostrowsky miraculously survived a bullet wound
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Speaker 2: to the head during the December fourteen attack and took
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Speaker 2: a photograph of himself lying on the ground during the
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Speaker 2: massacre and a warning the image is graphic.
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Speaker 4: This picture of the Jewish human.
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Speaker 2: Rights lawyer was shared on x by a friend Ostrovski
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Speaker 2: had sent it to and it quickly went viral. Then,
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Speaker 2: as he was being prepped by doctors to go into surgery,
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Speaker 2: conspiracies were already abounding online. The Huneker attack was a
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Speaker 2: false flag operation and Ostrovsky was a crisis actor an
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Speaker 2: Israeli spy.
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Speaker 1: Within hours, he was subjected to online harassment and abuse.
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Speaker 1: Within a day, deep fake images were created and posted
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Speaker 1: across several social media platforms.
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Speaker 2: The commission was shown some of these deep fakes, which
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Speaker 2: included one appearing to show Ostrovsky having red paint applied
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Speaker 2: by a makeup artist on a set, Ostrovsky posing with
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Speaker 2: an Academy Award for his acting, photos, insinuating his blood
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Speaker 2: was really tomato sauce, and tweets calling him a Mossad agent.
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Speaker 2: Ostrovsky also testified how New South Wales police failed to
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Speaker 2: take action against an Islamic preacher for helping to spread
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Speaker 2: the false flag conspiracy in a video posted to x
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Speaker 2: which the survivor warried would incite further violence against him.
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Speaker 5: Film an actor amongst the civilians amongst the victims at
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Speaker 5: Vondo Beach that he painted his face with blood. I
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Speaker 5: think this is script that was scripted a while back,
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Speaker 5: planned for Warlme.
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Speaker 6: The actors were chosen, hand picked.
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Speaker 7: The police had said that they would investigate the matter further.
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Speaker 7: I was informed that they would be further police protection
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Speaker 7: provided in the sense of vehicles driving past our home
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Speaker 7: to monitor the situation. I'm not aware of anything further
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Speaker 7: that had been done well.
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Speaker 2: We reached out to New South Wales police to find
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Speaker 2: out why charges were never pursued, but a spokesperson told
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Speaker 2: us that since the matter is subject of the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission inquiry, New South Wales Police won't be able to
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Speaker 2: make any comment.
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Speaker 4: Ostrovsky also testified that.
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Speaker 2: Of the social media giants he lodged complaints with, only
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Speaker 2: Meta took action to remove the deep fakes from Facebook
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Speaker 2: and Instagram. He never even heard back from x or YouTube.
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Speaker 2: Outside the hearing, Ostrovsky broke down as he spoke of
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Speaker 2: being targeted while healing from the worst trauma of his life.
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Speaker 8: Was there with me at Bondai, who held our children?
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Speaker 7: Who's the real hero to deal with? This is inexcusable?
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Speaker 2: It's criminal prominent businessman Stephen Lowey, the son of one
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Speaker 2: of the country's most highest, most highest profile Jewish figures.
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Speaker 2: So Frank Lowe testified about the overwhelming number of threats
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Speaker 2: his family received simply for being Jewish.
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Speaker 9: In the last year alone, Commissioner has been more than
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Speaker 9: fifteen thousand very unpleasant attacks on online. Amongst those, fifteen thousand,
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Speaker 9: two hundred persons of interest have been followed very clearly
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Speaker 9: and those have been referred to police and intelligence.
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Speaker 2: The Commission was shown a number of highly disturbing examples
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Speaker 2: of this, which included an image of Sir Frank among
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Speaker 2: a number of Jewish Australians and a comment reading when
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Speaker 2: We'll start killing them, another with a comment kill this mother,
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Speaker 2: please and kill him. An image of Stephen Lowey with
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Speaker 2: his father had the comment public execution please and thank you,
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Speaker 2: and another commenter referred to Luigi Mangioni, the American standing
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Speaker 2: trial for allegedly fatally shooting a healthcare executive. It truly
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Speaker 2: is beyond sick, the Commission heard. The Lowey family is
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Speaker 2: now required to maintain a security team. One of its
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Speaker 2: functions is to monitor online abuse around the clock, which
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Speaker 2: Stephen Lowey said escalates every time a member of his
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Speaker 2: family is mentioned in the media. No Australian family should
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Speaker 2: have to live like this, no matter their background.
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Speaker 4: The online abuse.
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Speaker 2: Is truly confronting, but it will sadly not be surprising
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Speaker 2: to anyone who knows what a sewer social media can be,
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Speaker 2: especially for Jews. I believe the testimony from the ABC
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Speaker 2: and SBS later this Fortnight will prove particularly illuminating. Organizations
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Speaker 2: that have the responsibility under their charter to be impartial
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Speaker 2: and which is still trusted by millions of Australians. These
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Speaker 2: same broadcasters only last month refuse to adopt the definition
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Speaker 2: of anti Semitism endorsed by the Federal Government and the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission. But despite receiving more than a billion dollars
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Speaker 2: in taxpayer funding, our Prime Minister doesn't seem bothered by
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Speaker 2: what they do, declining to answer this part of a
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Speaker 2: reporter's question before walking off stage.
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Speaker 10: Would it help if social media giants and media organizations
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Speaker 10: adopt the the I hate are a definition? Is that
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Speaker 10: something that you would encourage all media organizations and tech companies.
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Speaker 2: To do well?
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Speaker 11: Firstly? Yet yes, in a word, in terms of compliance
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Speaker 11: or or commission of course is independent of government. It's
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Speaker 11: very important to be allowed to do its work, which
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Speaker 11: it's doing very effectively.
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Speaker 4: Thanks very much, and on definition, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: So even if the Royal Commission makes recommendations addressing the
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Speaker 2: biases of our public broadcasters, do you have any confidence
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Speaker 2: this government will hold them to account? The One Nation
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Speaker 2: wave has hit a reef so to speak.
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Speaker 4: The latest news.
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Speaker 2: Polls showing Labor back in front in the primary vote
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Speaker 2: after Anthony Alberanzi dumped parts of his unpopular budget tax agenda.
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Speaker 2: Labor is up three points to thirty three percent, while
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Speaker 2: One Nation has slipped to twenty nine. The Coalition has
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Speaker 2: crashed to a historic low of seventeen, The Greens are
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Speaker 2: on thirteen and minor parties are on eight. Environment Minister
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Speaker 2: Murray what reckons Pauline Hansen's National Press Club speech is
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Speaker 2: what turned voters off One Nation?
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Speaker 12: I think that Press Club speech was a bit of
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Speaker 12: a reality check for a lot of Australians who were
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Speaker 12: thinking about voting for One Nation, because they got to
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Speaker 12: see that as much as people are under pressure at
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Speaker 12: the moment, things could get a whole lot worse under
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Speaker 12: One Nation with all of the cuts that they were
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Speaker 12: talking about imposing.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is associate editor at The Australian Graham
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Speaker 2: Lloyd and Skyny's host Caleb Bond. Gentlemen, welcome Caleb. Do
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Speaker 2: you agree first of all that Pauline's speech is responsible
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Speaker 2: for this drop in support for One Nation?
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Speaker 13: Well, it may be in part responsible, whether it is
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Speaker 13: the speech itself that's caused that or sort of the
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Speaker 13: fallout of speech when a lot of people have taken
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Speaker 13: the monocultural line and run with it and tried to
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Speaker 13: use it as an attack. So yes, to some degree,
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Speaker 13: I expect it has played into it. But you've also
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Speaker 13: got to look at the other numbers in that poll,
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Speaker 13: which is that Labor is no better off than it
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Speaker 13: was before the election in terms of primary votes. They've
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Speaker 13: basically gone back to the status quo. So yes, they've
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Speaker 13: gained a little, but that's not a major win for them.
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Speaker 13: The coalition going down further would indicate that there is
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Speaker 13: no loss of people from one nation to the coalition.
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Speaker 13: In fact, the opposite. What you've seen is a small
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Speaker 13: number of votes moved from one nation back to Labor
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Speaker 13: in this poll, which is probably a result of that speech.
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Speaker 13: But we've got at least, not at least two years.
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Speaker 13: We've got a little less than two years at maximum
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Speaker 13: until another federal election, potentially even one late next year
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Speaker 13: if the government decided to go early. So there's a
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Speaker 13: lot of time to recover three percent. So short answer, yes,
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Speaker 13: but I wouldn't be worried about it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, Graham. I think this Labor, this
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Speaker 2: is a warrior. I mean it's a warror in particular
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Speaker 2: for the coalition because how much trouble are they in
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Speaker 2: that Labor can lie about what they're going to do
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Speaker 2: to negative gearing and capital gains tax and still seem
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Speaker 2: to get away with it. I mean, there was this
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Speaker 2: blowback immediately after these tax reforms were announced in the budget,
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Speaker 2: but now they seem to have recovered to the position
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Speaker 2: they were in before the election. Meanwhile, Coalition is at
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Speaker 2: a huge a huge low in the polls, a historic low.
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Speaker 8: That's right, Caroline.
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Speaker 14: I think that the takeout from the pole very much
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Speaker 14: is that it's good news for Anthony Albanesi and the government.
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Speaker 14: They've stabilized and got a bit of support back after
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Speaker 14: a pretty rocky period through the budget. I mean, we
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Speaker 14: have to bear in mind it's only one pole and
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Speaker 14: we're looking at a couple of percent shifts. But good
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Speaker 14: news for the government, terrible news for us Taylor and
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Speaker 14: the Coalition. They're bouncing around the bottom down near the
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Speaker 14: level of the Greens. Pauline Hanson, I think she would
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Speaker 14: look at it and say, well, it's still a very
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Speaker 14: high number and what it's done in effect that showed
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Speaker 14: that the competition is still very much between one nation
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Speaker 14: and the coalition parties and as they continue to fight
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Speaker 14: it out the beneficiary is going to be labor.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, an attempt by Pauline Hansen to hold up Paul
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Speaker 2: Hogan as the model Australian under a monoculture, as she
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Speaker 2: mentioned in her speech, well that's backfired. Hogan told the
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Speaker 2: Financial Review that Hanson is a Pelican and quote so racist,
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Speaker 2: saying a good Australian is simply someone who wants to
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Speaker 2: be one. Caleb, do you think it's a bit rich
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Speaker 2: for Paul Hogan to lecture Australia on multiculturalism from his
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Speaker 2: mansion on Bennet's Beach?
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Speaker 13: To some degree he's but you know, Pauling Hanson and
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Speaker 13: kind of invited this in some way. She directly said
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Speaker 13: he was the model of sort of what we wanted
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Speaker 13: to go back to. So the man does have a
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Speaker 13: right to say, well, actually I don't agree with Pauline Hanson. True.
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Speaker 13: Is anyone going to particularly care that Paul Hogan has
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Speaker 13: said this about Pauline Hanson? I don't think so. I mean,
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Speaker 13: I give people enough credit to think that when they
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Speaker 13: go to the ballot box, they're not going Now what
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Speaker 13: does Paul Hogan think I should do in this election?
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Speaker 13: So look, you know, really I'd say, who cares. Pauline
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Speaker 13: Hanson's not going to worry about it. She'll probably use
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Speaker 13: it in her own campaign material and get some mileage
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Speaker 13: out of it and say, you know, look at these
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Speaker 13: celebrities having a go at me. When the cultural elites
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Speaker 13: are having a go at you, it means you're doing
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Speaker 13: something right. So in the grand scheme of things, I
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Speaker 13: wouldn't be concerned.
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Speaker 6: If I were.
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Speaker 2: Look, there's an element of truth to that, Caleb, and suddenly,
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Speaker 2: how very clever team will find a way to spin
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Speaker 2: it in their favor. But Graham, it is a bit
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Speaker 2: embarrassing still though, isn't it when someone you're trying to
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Speaker 2: hold up as a positive example of a policy that
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Speaker 2: you're pushing here case monoculture hits back like this.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think it is. But what it shows is
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Speaker 14: people got no idea what Pauline Hanson's talking about when.
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Speaker 6: She says monoculture.
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Speaker 14: If you look for a definition, I think the one
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Speaker 14: that paul Hogan gave for it's basically everybody who wants
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Speaker 14: to be an Australian. And I think Pauline Hanson is
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Speaker 14: probably on that page. What it's doing, it's keeping her
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Speaker 14: profile front and center, and the message that goes out
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Speaker 14: is the message that people want to hear. So I
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Speaker 14: think Paul Hogan really isn't close enough to what's going
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Speaker 14: on to really have a view on Pauline Hanson in
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Speaker 14: contemporary times.
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Speaker 13: Can I also just say that an Australian is more
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Speaker 13: than just someone who wants to be a citizen of
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Speaker 13: the country, because you can want to be a citizen
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Speaker 13: of the country because it would give you access to
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Speaker 13: all sorts of benefits and rights and whatever, and still
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Speaker 13: fundamentally hate the country. So I think to run that
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Speaker 13: argument as though anyone could possibly be Australian is wrong.
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Speaker 13: And I think people most people in Australia, apart from
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Speaker 13: those who perhaps fit into this category that I'm talking about,
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Speaker 13: would disagree with that definition of an Australia.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's over simplistic. And of course there are
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Speaker 2: many people all over the world, millions who would love
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Speaker 2: to come here and benefit from our country in the
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Speaker 2: very generous welfare system that we have, but we don't
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Speaker 2: accept everyone as Australians.
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Speaker 4: It takes a lot more than that.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, in this case, Paul Hogan maybe isn't the model
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Speaker 2: example of the monocultural Australian that Pauline wanted him to be.
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Speaker 2: But never mind, he is still crocodile Dundee. Let us
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Speaker 2: turn to France, where a brutal heat wave above forty
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Speaker 2: degrees has somehow turned air conditioning.
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Speaker 4: Into a culture war.
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Speaker 2: Only a quarter of French homes have AC but politicians
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Speaker 2: on the right like Marine La Penn are now pushing
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Speaker 2: for it in hospitals, schools and age care homes, while
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Speaker 2: those on the left say it's environmentally reckless. Graham, and
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Speaker 2: this seems crazy, I think to us in Australia, why
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Speaker 2: would you sacrifice people, especially the elderly, the vulnerable, their
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Speaker 2: lives at the altar of this net zero madness.
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Speaker 6: Well, here we go again.
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Speaker 14: I think one thing we know about the climate change
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Speaker 14: cold is that they don't want people to fly, or
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Speaker 14: drive nice cars or call themselves with air conditioning. The irony,
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Speaker 14: of course in France is that they get their electricity
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Speaker 14: from nuclear so they can pretty much use the electricity
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Speaker 14: they want without any CO two emissions. But really it's
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Speaker 14: a virtue argument. There's two angles there. One is that
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Speaker 14: people believe if you go from cold temperatures in the
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Speaker 14: hot temperatures and back it makes you get a cold,
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Speaker 14: but really it's just a reflection of the fact that
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Speaker 14: doesn't get particularly hot over in France.
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Speaker 2: Very often, Caleb, I mean it is there is a
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Speaker 2: huge heap wave obviously now across Europe. But how absurd
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Speaker 2: is it that keeping the idea keeping cool during that
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Speaker 2: is somehow decried as right wing.
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Speaker 13: I thought the whole point of advancement was that we
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Speaker 13: found ways to make life easier and more comfortable, and
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Speaker 13: continually we are now told that no, actually we should
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Speaker 13: make life less comfortable because we've advanced too much and
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Speaker 13: what we're now doing is allegedly harming the planet. I mean,
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Speaker 13: you and I were talking about this on Outside Is
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Speaker 13: yesterday morning, where you will find us again the following
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Speaker 13: Sunday about the indeed, who isn't watching at nine am
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Speaker 13: on a Sunday morning, particularly when you've got Caroline Marcus
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Speaker 13: and Caleb mon and James More on the program, But
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Speaker 13: like the EU building, for instance, where they've said, oh,
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Speaker 13: you know, we've got to make sure we do our
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Speaker 13: bit for the world and the climate during this heat wave.
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Speaker 13: So we're going to turn off all the air con
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Speaker 13: on floors zero to seven, but it just happens that
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Speaker 13: the management are all on floor nine, so you know,
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Speaker 13: they get to have the air con, but everyone else
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Speaker 13: has to suffer and bit. These people, if they could
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Speaker 13: put an eircon on their homes, would be doing it.
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Speaker 13: But they tell everyone else in France and elsewhere in
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Speaker 13: Europe no, no, no, you shouldn't have air con because it's
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Speaker 13: bad for the planet.
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Speaker 4: I mean it's communism, isn't it. That's how they act. Look,
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Speaker 4: let's talk.
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Speaker 2: About Karl Stefanovic, because reports now suggest he may never
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Speaker 2: appear on commercial TV again.
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Speaker 4: We know he's been.
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Speaker 2: Parted ways with nine, but now the Australian is reporting
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Speaker 2: seven and ten executives have ruled out hiring him as well,
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Speaker 2: over fears advertisers could target their network with boycotts after
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Speaker 2: his recent podcast interview with Tommy Robinson. Nine and Stepanovik
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Speaker 2: are also understood to have avoided a courtroom fight, agreeing
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Speaker 2: to a six figure settlement after he was dumped with
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Speaker 2: six months to go on his contract.
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Speaker 4: Graham, what do you.
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Speaker 2: Make of these reports that other commercial networks have ruled
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Speaker 2: out working with Karl.
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Speaker 4: I mean it's not like.
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Speaker 2: I'd expect him to turn up on the ABC and
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Speaker 2: he's probably not going to attract the money that he
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Speaker 2: ever attracted. But do you think we'll ever see him
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Speaker 2: on our free to air air waves again?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think it's a bit too soon to say.
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Speaker 14: Carl has said that he wants to set up his
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Speaker 14: own podcasting thing and make a controversial name for himself
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Speaker 14: in that space. The commercial networks are saying, well, they
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Speaker 14: don't want to be subject to campaigns by these mad
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Speaker 14: witches who target their advertisers. The truth is that they
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Speaker 14: probably don't have the sort of money that they need.
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Speaker 8: To get him.
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Speaker 14: Anyway, We'll have to see how he goes as a
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Speaker 14: podcaster and where it.
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Speaker 4: Goes from there, Caleb.
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Speaker 2: I mean, some people were talking about him possibly getting
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Speaker 2: the four one million that's left on his contract a
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Speaker 2: six figure some could be a fair bit less.
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Speaker 4: We don't know.
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Speaker 2: But at least they avoided a lengthy court battle which
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Speaker 2: is very expensive.
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Speaker 13: Well indeed, and how much do you actually end up
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Speaker 13: with in the end if you go through all of that,
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Speaker 13: And I mean look at him at Carl Sandlands of
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Speaker 13: course wanted the rest of his contract paid out, and
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Speaker 13: he got what tenth of the remainder of his contract
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Speaker 13: or something like that paid out, so it wouldn't be
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Speaker 13: worth going through the rhythm role. I don't think, and
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Speaker 13: I'm not surprised that other broadcasters are not interested. Well, actually,
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Speaker 13: I think other broadcasters would be really interested in Carl
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Speaker 13: the talent and would love to have him. But the
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Speaker 13: commercial reality, unfortunately, is that the broadcasters aren't the ones
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Speaker 13: who get to choose the content they put to air.
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Speaker 13: Sometimes because the people who are paying the bills, who
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Speaker 13: are the advertisers, have these activists breathing down their neck,
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Speaker 13: and so when they pull rank, well, they don't have
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Speaker 13: a lot of choice in these matters.
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Speaker 4: I think that's true to an extent.
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Speaker 2: But also nine did see the way he was pooh
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Speaker 2: poohing all over their investigations into Ben Robert Smith, neurosurgeon
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Speaker 2: Charlie Tier, and no company really wants to take on
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Speaker 2: board someone who could be a liability in that aspect.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Boycott's underwear brand, Bonds is now facing their
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Speaker 2: own one after choosing Adam Hyde, who's better known as
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Speaker 2: Helly Holiday or Abby Chatfield's other half, for its twenty
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Speaker 2: fifth anniversary campaign. Shoppers are asking how the brand went
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Speaker 2: from Robert Irwin to this, the bloke who has recently
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Speaker 2: denied entry to the United States due to national security concerns,
21:17
Speaker 2: suspected to be due to some of Chatfield's more unhinged comments,
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Speaker 2: but also some of Hyde's own. I mean, Chatfield did
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Speaker 2: suggest someone should assassinate Donald Trump.
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Speaker 4: Some are calling it the worst move that Bonds has
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Speaker 4: ever made.
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Speaker 2: Graham, what do you think of this move from one
21:32
Speaker 2: of our most loved brands.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think certainly Irwin and this new fellow chalk
21:39
Speaker 14: and Cheese. I have to admit I haven't heard of it,
21:43
Speaker 14: so I'm not kind with all that stuff. Sorry, it's
21:47
Speaker 14: a bit difficult for me to comment around.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you who you may have heard from. I've
21:53
Speaker 2: heard of because I've got an idea for an alternative
21:56
Speaker 2: poster boy for Bonds. Can you just see the campaign
21:59
Speaker 2: now Bonds Kale Bond are available.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's got my name on it.
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Speaker 13: The whole thing I was I was going to say tonight,
22:07
Speaker 13: I've got to distance myself from this. I do not
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Speaker 13: have any shares or ownership of Bonds, so I made
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Speaker 13: no decision in this matter. But yeah, I mean, if
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Speaker 13: they want me as a pin up I'll do it.
22:18
Speaker 13: I'll do the set of fold and.
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Speaker 6: The whole thing.
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Speaker 4: Okay, well I do so. Maybe Bonds don't give him
22:23
Speaker 4: a call. There might be a lot of change had
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Speaker 4: it work.
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Speaker 13: Hang on, I think there's a lot of people at home.
22:29
Speaker 2: Be quite please, I'm sure, I'm sure Sky News viewers
22:33
Speaker 2: would love it. Kaler, Bond, Graham, Lloyd, thank you by
22:35
Speaker 2: it so much for your time. Now Anger Taylor says
22:38
Speaker 2: the Coalition needs time to rebuild trust after its worst
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Speaker 2: news poll result on record, with support crashing to just
22:46
Speaker 2: seventeen percent.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think they're being public's angry. They're angry with
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Speaker 15: everything everyone at the moment, and understandably so we have
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Speaker 15: to rebuild trust over time. We have to just keep
22:59
Speaker 15: working and playing away at acting Labour's toxic taxes, at
23:05
Speaker 15: scrapping ned zero, at ending mass migration, at putting Australians first.
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Speaker 15: I know that's what Australians want to see. They have
23:12
Speaker 15: to trust us.
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Speaker 2: But Taylor is blaming voter anger at all political parties,
23:19
Speaker 2: even though Labor and the Greens are both polling higher
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Speaker 2: than they were previously. Joining me in our shadow Cabinet
23:25
Speaker 2: Secretary Zoey Mackenzie Zoe, Welcome to the show. Look, I'm
23:29
Speaker 2: sure you have to defend your leader Angus Taylor here,
23:33
Speaker 2: but is he really being honest with.
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Speaker 4: Voters about how bad the polling is.
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Speaker 2: Surely it shows there is a particular anger and frustration.
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Speaker 4: Towards the Liberals.
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Speaker 16: Oh look, I don't actually read that at all, but
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Speaker 16: I suppose I've just come through a by election in
23:50
Speaker 16: my state seat of Nepeon and the move, the curiosity,
23:54
Speaker 16: the interest, and the reach out frankly for the one
23:57
Speaker 16: nation how to vote hard was really clear. But may
24:02
Speaker 16: I say it was also clear why they were reaching
24:04
Speaker 16: for the one nation how to vote card is that
24:06
Speaker 16: people are desperate. They are doing it tough. They see
24:10
Speaker 16: a very difficult labor government that has made their lives
24:15
Speaker 16: more difficult. Cost of living pressures are crushing them. Fifteen
24:19
Speaker 16: interest rate rises and about twenty nine thousand dollars additional
24:22
Speaker 16: every year in interest alone sits heavily, especially in my area.
24:26
Speaker 16: A lot of small businesses in particular, and they look
24:30
Speaker 16: to us and they think, well, you know where your solutions,
24:32
Speaker 16: how can you fix it? And they're desperate, desperate to
24:35
Speaker 16: send the loudest possible message that somebody's got to do
24:38
Speaker 16: something differently to make their lives better. So yes, in
24:42
Speaker 16: part its anger, but from what I saw in the
24:44
Speaker 16: conversations I've had, it was largely desperation. And so we
24:48
Speaker 16: must all do better. The Liberal Party must do better,
24:51
Speaker 16: the National Party must do better. The government has got
24:54
Speaker 16: a long way to go in terms of doing better.
24:56
Speaker 16: Like this last budget will crush aspiration, crush assets, crush wealth,
25:03
Speaker 16: crush all those people who work their butts off to
25:05
Speaker 16: try and get ahead. It's our job to make sure
25:08
Speaker 16: we speak plainly and consistently, but with a plan for
25:13
Speaker 16: the future. May I say, only a plan that a
25:15
Speaker 16: Liberal National coalition can deliver with an experienced team to
25:20
Speaker 16: get the job done.
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Speaker 4: But so on that.
25:23
Speaker 2: Talking about the tax reforms, I mean, there was such
25:25
Speaker 2: a huge backlash to them, and of course labor were
25:28
Speaker 2: exposed for the lies that they told about not touching
25:31
Speaker 2: negative gearing and capital gains. But there's latest poll seems
25:34
Speaker 2: to show voters might already be forgiving them. They were
25:37
Speaker 2: you surprised by the bounce pack in support for labor
25:41
Speaker 2: after just a few amendments to the tax changes, No.
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Speaker 16: Not particularly. I think that there's a new poll literally
25:50
Speaker 16: every day at the moment. I never remember this much polling,
25:54
Speaker 16: you know, in the nineties and the two thousand and
25:56
Speaker 16: twenty tens. We sent to have developed a polling addiction
26:00
Speaker 16: in twenty twenty six, and so every week and sometimes
26:02
Speaker 16: every day, there's a different one. So I don't put
26:05
Speaker 16: too much store in it. I put much more faith
26:08
Speaker 16: in what I hear on the street when I'm walking
26:09
Speaker 16: around my electron and talking to people, And may I
26:12
Speaker 16: say there the verdict on this budget is all of
26:16
Speaker 16: one voice. Yes, there were slight changes announced last week
26:21
Speaker 16: in relation to the enormous backlash, and I think people
26:24
Speaker 16: are still trying to kind of come to groups numbers
26:26
Speaker 16: and a financial year crush. For many of my small businesses,
26:29
Speaker 16: they haven't followed the fine print of what was announced
26:32
Speaker 16: last week, but when they realized, for example, any business
26:34
Speaker 16: small business's got a discretionary trust setting behind it, they're
26:37
Speaker 16: still going to be slapped with heavier taxes and all
26:40
Speaker 16: those vehicles they may have used in the past to
26:43
Speaker 16: turn their wage into a nest egg to afford a deposit,
26:48
Speaker 16: or when they realize, as we discussed today in the Parliament,
26:51
Speaker 16: that you've actually invested with a five percent deposit and
26:54
Speaker 16: now you face a negative equity environment. I have never
26:57
Speaker 16: seen dodging and weaving like we got today from the
27:00
Speaker 16: Minister of Housing in relation to what's your answer, What
27:02
Speaker 16: are you going to say to people who have locked
27:05
Speaker 16: themselves into a mortgage with a five percent deposit who
27:08
Speaker 16: are now in a negative equity situation, Because there'll be
27:10
Speaker 16: plenty of them already and plenty more to come. So
27:16
Speaker 16: I don't think people have really absorbed the fine detail
27:18
Speaker 16: yet of what Labor has done, but they will and
27:20
Speaker 16: we will make sure that they do well.
27:21
Speaker 2: We will be discussing some of that with a real
27:23
Speaker 2: estate analyst coming up on the show, because the negative
27:26
Speaker 2: equity is a major concern and the auction clearance rates
27:30
Speaker 2: are at a huge low.
27:31
Speaker 4: So we'll come back to that.
27:33
Speaker 2: But I want to ask you about the senior Liberal
27:35
Speaker 2: frontbencher Melissa McIntosh has said the Liberal Party is stuck
27:38
Speaker 2: in the past and should consider rebranding with a new
27:42
Speaker 2: name and logo, and she also said she was inspired
27:44
Speaker 2: by our own rebranding here at Sky News to News
27:47
Speaker 2: twenty four, which led to this reaction from Albow in
27:50
Speaker 2: question time.
27:53
Speaker 11: I just was inspired by Sky News.
27:57
Speaker 6: That's the problem ordered the treasures.
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Speaker 4: Something tells me he's not a huge fan of ours.
28:08
Speaker 2: Melissa, what do you think of a new name for
28:10
Speaker 2: the party and a new logo.
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Speaker 16: I don't think we need to consider a new name.
28:16
Speaker 16: Our party has been going on for eighty years and
28:18
Speaker 16: it has a well understood place in the political market,
28:22
Speaker 16: if I can put it that way. I heard you
28:25
Speaker 16: talking about France and it's bizarre opposition to air conditioning
28:28
Speaker 16: a little while ago. The other thing the French are
28:30
Speaker 16: very good at is renaming their center right party, and
28:32
Speaker 16: as a result you've got this whole blam one might
28:35
Speaker 16: say of non socialist parties in France, and I can't
28:38
Speaker 16: quite remember which one does which thing, and I would
28:41
Speaker 16: not want us to land in the same situation. So
28:44
Speaker 16: the Liberal Party brand will continue well, but we must must,
28:48
Speaker 16: as Melissa rightfully pointed out today, find a way to
28:51
Speaker 16: explain what the Liberal parties values mean in a contemporary context,
28:55
Speaker 16: particularly for young people, particularly for women. And now, Amy,
28:58
Speaker 16: I say to the people I saw take those one
29:00
Speaker 16: Nation how to vote cards in the open, largely people
29:03
Speaker 16: you know, tradees, people in high views, people with maybe
29:05
Speaker 16: their business brand on their T shirt, right, we must explain.
29:09
Speaker 16: We just assume people know the difference between Labor and
29:12
Speaker 16: Liberal Party. They don't. They don't have civic education, they
29:15
Speaker 16: don't necessarily talk about politics around the dinner table as
29:18
Speaker 16: much as we used to do thirty or forty years ago.
29:20
Speaker 16: Theys carially aren't watching Legacy news at night, so we
29:23
Speaker 16: have to have a broad plane speaking conversation with the
29:29
Speaker 16: historian public about what the Liberal Party means. But that
29:32
Speaker 16: doesn't mean changing, that just means explaining it in today's language.
29:35
Speaker 2: Well, you're right, because every time I take to the
29:38
Speaker 2: streets before an election, I talk to people. Some people
29:40
Speaker 2: can't even identify who the Prime Minister is, but plenty
29:43
Speaker 2: of engage Sky News political viewers and they are on
29:47
Speaker 2: board with a rebrand I think. But look Sory mackenzie,
29:51
Speaker 2: at least for us. Sorry McKenzie, thank you very much
29:54
Speaker 2: for your time tonight. We do appreciate it. Like coming
29:58
Speaker 2: up on the show a later, going to have a
30:00
Speaker 2: look at what's coming up. We've got Australia's housing market,
30:04
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, it is flashing red after the worst
30:08
Speaker 2: auction rates in years. Real estate analyst Tom Panos joins
30:13
Speaker 2: me later and a former her mass hostage and rape
30:16
Speaker 2: victim goes viral for confronting the United Nations over its
30:21
Speaker 2: silence on October seven atrocities. Alana Gritzewski joins me after
30:26
Speaker 2: the break, where she'll also respond to Grace Tame. Former
30:33
Speaker 2: hostage Alana Gritzewsky was kidnapped by her Maatz by her
30:38
Speaker 2: mask from kabbutznir Oz and held in captivity for fifty
30:42
Speaker 2: five days in Gaza, during which time she was raped. Now,
30:47
Speaker 2: her testimony at the United Nations has gone viral after
30:51
Speaker 2: she confronted the Special rappertoire on violence against Women for
30:56
Speaker 2: minimizing the rapes of Israeli women. So just a warning,
31:00
Speaker 2: the following is graphic and can be distressing to watch.
31:06
Speaker 3: In October seven and him captivity, Jewish women were rapid,
31:11
Speaker 3: abused and humilated. And you special Rapeter, you choose silence
31:17
Speaker 3: and the nail Miss al Salem, you say there was
31:20
Speaker 3: no evidence of sexual violence on October seven. I'm standing
31:23
Speaker 3: here today, not as a report, not as a statistic.
31:28
Speaker 8: I am a woman who survive.
31:30
Speaker 3: I am the living proof of sexual violence by Hamas
31:33
Speaker 3: when I another israel woman begged not to be rapid.
31:38
Speaker 8: Why were you silent? Please look at me. Do you
31:42
Speaker 8: believe us? Now? Will you apologize?
31:45
Speaker 4: I'm pleased to say.
31:46
Speaker 2: Alana joins me now from Israel. Alana, thank you so
31:50
Speaker 2: much for coming on. First of all, what do you
31:53
Speaker 2: want Australian viewers to understand about what Hamas.
31:58
Speaker 4: Did to you and to other women?
32:03
Speaker 3: Hey Hamas take a part of me, Hey I was
32:10
Speaker 3: Abus said on seven on October. Me and my boyfriend
32:13
Speaker 3: need to jump from the window to try to selve.
32:15
Speaker 8: Our life from our home till they pick me.
32:20
Speaker 3: They broke my hip, they broke away my job. I
32:25
Speaker 3: lose the earrings from the explosure. They kicked me, They
32:28
Speaker 3: bore my leg with the motorcycle. They take a big
32:33
Speaker 3: part of me that I ain't trying to healing. They
32:36
Speaker 3: take me on a motorcycle to Gasa in the middle.
32:40
Speaker 3: They start to make sexual abuses, so I shut down.
32:45
Speaker 3: And there are terrorists that come into my home, breaking
32:51
Speaker 3: destroying every piece everything.
32:53
Speaker 8: That they found. And I need to raise our voice.
33:00
Speaker 3: The hardest part that after two years and a half,
33:03
Speaker 3: I need to continue standing and open the heart a
33:09
Speaker 3: scare that is instilled on me to the people believe us.
33:13
Speaker 8: Why when woman's Jewish woman begged not to be rapid.
33:21
Speaker 3: Why the word shot, Why I need to improve to
33:25
Speaker 3: prove everyone what happened to me so they can.
33:28
Speaker 8: Believe us is very hard to me.
33:32
Speaker 3: Also, notice enough all what I thrink with Hamas in captivity,
33:37
Speaker 3: under the ground with no food, I lost twenty four
33:41
Speaker 3: pounds in fifty five days.
33:44
Speaker 8: I go all the time psychology mentally that they make me.
33:50
Speaker 3: They make interrogations of the made it than the night
33:53
Speaker 3: with kicking you, pulling you. I have to be to
33:59
Speaker 3: show my body to then that I don't have nothing
34:01
Speaker 3: with me, that they make clothes out to see that
34:04
Speaker 3: I don't have anything with me. I wake up in Massa,
34:07
Speaker 3: half naked with seven terrorists above me. We didn't know
34:12
Speaker 3: what happened in that moment. They only think I say
34:14
Speaker 3: that please don't rape me. I'm from Mexico, so it's
34:21
Speaker 3: very hard to me all the time to reopen the
34:24
Speaker 3: scurs of that day, of the two months in captivity
34:30
Speaker 3: so the word can believe us.
34:32
Speaker 2: It must be like having to relive that trauma, having
34:36
Speaker 2: to try and justify yourself or try to convince people
34:42
Speaker 2: of what you went through over and over again. Your
34:46
Speaker 2: testimony at the United Nations Human Rights Council last week
34:50
Speaker 2: went viral. You confronted the Special rapertoire on violence against women,
34:55
Speaker 2: rem Al Salam over her silence and her minimization of
35:00
Speaker 2: her mass's sexual violence on October seven, and you asked
35:04
Speaker 2: the un a very simple question, why no mention of
35:08
Speaker 2: her masks?
35:10
Speaker 3: Special Rapperture, your reporter speaks of a violence against women.
35:14
Speaker 3: Why is there no mention of hamas or October seven?
35:18
Speaker 3: Terror is storm a working boots, murdering, kidnapping and burning.
35:23
Speaker 3: They touched me and central Abusmi I was waten and
35:26
Speaker 3: multilated before bleacking out.
35:30
Speaker 2: You could also see the Special Rappertoire's reaction. She just
35:34
Speaker 2: appeared to be completely unmoved and she wouldn't look at
35:38
Speaker 2: you despite you asking her to look at her at
35:41
Speaker 2: you and the eye many times. How did it feel
35:44
Speaker 2: for you to give that testimony and to get that
35:47
Speaker 2: reaction from her.
35:50
Speaker 3: It's very shocking because Zoom is supposed to be for
35:54
Speaker 3: all the people in the world with no devotova share relations,
35:58
Speaker 3: scholars or wherever they are are, and see the woman
36:02
Speaker 3: who that's supposed to protect all the womans around the
36:06
Speaker 3: world is silenced when it's about from Jewish women.
36:11
Speaker 8: Why our pain is more or less? Why are our pain?
36:14
Speaker 8: I need to prove everyone so they can denail all
36:18
Speaker 8: the time. What happened on the.
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Speaker 3: Seven and October? There were sexual abuses there. They keep
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Speaker 3: the more they born. Why why the U N can't
36:32
Speaker 3: respect all the people in the world, no matter if
36:35
Speaker 3: we are Jewish, Christian or no matter or Muslim, no
36:40
Speaker 3: matter which are our religions.
36:43
Speaker 8: We are people.
36:44
Speaker 3: We have all people have her own life. He's sold,
36:51
Speaker 3: All people are sold.
36:52
Speaker 8: Why our pain is less?
36:55
Speaker 3: Why I need to prove them all the time and
36:58
Speaker 3: go to there and he because he can look in
37:02
Speaker 3: and my eyes at least.
37:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was shocking.
37:07
Speaker 2: And I know that she has now said that she
37:09
Speaker 2: would meet you in person, but not with you and
37:12
Speaker 2: watch which was the group that brought you to the commission.
37:17
Speaker 4: The Council last week?
37:18
Speaker 2: Look speaking of denials and minimization about what happened, our
37:23
Speaker 2: own former Australian of the Year, Grace Tam made some
37:26
Speaker 2: shocking comments on our public broadcaster, the ABC, calling reports
37:31
Speaker 2: of sexual violence by hamass propaganda that had been debunked.
37:36
Speaker 4: Let's take a look.
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Speaker 17: Timney's texted in saying can you please ask Grace why
37:42
Speaker 17: she's selective in her outrage. She says, I've never heard
37:44
Speaker 17: her condemn or speak out on behalf of the Israeli
37:47
Speaker 17: women who were raped and killed by hamass I'm not going.
37:50
Speaker 12: To sink to the level of entertaining any kind of
37:52
Speaker 12: propaganda Hamish.
37:53
Speaker 15: There have been those things have been debunked.
37:57
Speaker 4: Well, Grace Tame has since been rewarded.
38:00
Speaker 2: Instance that conversation with the podcast with the ABC, that
38:04
Speaker 2: same broadcaster, Alana, what is your response to Grace time
38:08
Speaker 2: calling your experience debunked propaganda and how does it make
38:12
Speaker 2: you feel that she still has a big role with
38:16
Speaker 2: our public broadcaster after that.
38:20
Speaker 3: Is very distrusting because she she go over rape and
38:28
Speaker 3: she said that she needs the woman needs to believe
38:31
Speaker 3: the other woman's. So I asked him why you need
38:35
Speaker 3: to believe women's to woman's and I am a woman
38:37
Speaker 3: from a Jewish woman, that you don't believe that there
38:40
Speaker 3: were rape and sexual abuses in the seventh or October,
38:44
Speaker 3: that were kidnapped, there were mourning, there were born in people.
38:48
Speaker 8: Why when he.
38:51
Speaker 3: Is come from the Jewish woman Judy Nail, and you
38:55
Speaker 3: said there is propaganda.
38:56
Speaker 8: We are not politications. We are survivors. Are people who.
39:01
Speaker 3: Take it from our home and destroy every piece for
39:06
Speaker 3: our souls? Why I need again to talk to that
39:12
Speaker 3: people that they.
39:14
Speaker 8: Go through this to also for rape.
39:17
Speaker 3: And she said that womans need to believe woman's and
39:20
Speaker 3: I need again stand from another woman that have to
39:23
Speaker 3: protect other women and say it.
39:26
Speaker 8: Look to my eyes and say that you are not.
39:31
Speaker 3: Delaying the sexual abusis that has from the group of Hamas,
39:36
Speaker 3: that is an organization of terrorism.
39:39
Speaker 2: That must be extremely distressing to hear all sorts of things.
39:43
Speaker 2: But thank you for your courage and speaking up about
39:45
Speaker 2: these atrocious things that happen to you and to the
39:49
Speaker 2: other hostages and women. On October seventh and in captivity,
39:53
Speaker 2: we really appreciate your time. Atlina great sexy there from
39:57
Speaker 2: Israel coming up. Auction rights a plumber under Labour's tax changes,
40:02
Speaker 2: with sellers already panicking. Real estate analyst Tom Panos after
40:06
Speaker 2: the break. The housing market is buckling under Labour's tax changes,
40:14
Speaker 2: with auction clearance rates in Sydney and Melbourne falling to
40:18
Speaker 2: their lowest level since the COVID pandemic. One Sydney agent
40:22
Speaker 2: said clearance rates in his area have dropped from ninety
40:26
Speaker 2: three percent to as low as thirty to forty percent.
40:30
Speaker 2: Real estate market analyst Tom Panos joins me. Now, Tom,
40:34
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show. This was the worst
40:38
Speaker 2: auctions week in five years. How much of that is
40:41
Speaker 2: due to buyers being spooked by these tax changers.
40:46
Speaker 6: So, Carolyn, let's be very clear.
40:48
Speaker 18: The price drops actually started happening in October and November
40:52
Speaker 18: last year when rates started to go up.
40:55
Speaker 6: Obviously the war actually was another layer of it.
40:58
Speaker 18: But now what we're clearly seeing years sentiment has totally
41:02
Speaker 18: collapsed due to the budget, and not just the budget, Caroline,
41:07
Speaker 18: It's been the things that have happened part after the budget,
41:10
Speaker 18: such as things such the self managed super fun changes.
41:14
Speaker 6: So it is concerning.
41:15
Speaker 18: I'd go as far as saying in some of the
41:17
Speaker 18: parts of Australia, clearance rates have actually gone past COVID
41:22
Speaker 18: and back to the global financial crisis of two thousand
41:26
Speaker 18: and eight. So there is a total loss of confidence
41:29
Speaker 18: in the current market. Bar probably Adelaide is the one
41:33
Speaker 18: marketplace that's performing reasonably.
41:35
Speaker 6: Okay, well that.
41:37
Speaker 4: Is very groom.
41:38
Speaker 2: I mean to take one example in Sydney, fewer than
41:41
Speaker 2: half of properties failed to sell it auction according to
41:44
Speaker 2: figures that came out yesterday. I mean, how concerning is
41:48
Speaker 2: that in the Sydney market.
41:51
Speaker 18: It's very concerning because once you in real estate, Caroline,
41:55
Speaker 18: once we start hitting a number under fifty percent in
41:58
Speaker 18: the clearance rate, that becomes very concerning. It means that
42:02
Speaker 18: vendors and buyers don't have confidence in a marketplace, and
42:06
Speaker 18: that's not good because if we start getting a marketplace
42:09
Speaker 18: that gets into a gridlock, it affects a lot of industries,
42:12
Speaker 18: and might I say it also affects the government because
42:16
Speaker 18: a large amount of revenue comes out of stamp duty.
42:20
Speaker 18: So everyone's impacted. And one of the unintended consequences that
42:23
Speaker 18: I'm not quite sure whether the government thought through was
42:26
Speaker 18: if there was a reduction in the volume of real estate,
42:28
Speaker 18: what that impact would be in revenues. But also, Carolyn,
42:33
Speaker 18: I've got to say it's not just the clearance rate
42:35
Speaker 18: that we're hearing on the weekend. This number is revised
42:37
Speaker 18: down by around Tuesday or Wednesday when we get more results.
42:41
Speaker 18: So as that agent has indicated that you've mentioned, there
42:44
Speaker 18: is a strong possibility that we might have actually have
42:47
Speaker 18: two true clearance rates in the thirties.
42:51
Speaker 2: Mid thirties that that will be dire.
42:55
Speaker 4: Tom, could buyers be at risk of negative equity?
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Speaker 2: This is something Soey mackenzie talked about earlier on the show,
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Speaker 2: and that is when a mortgage exceeds the property value.
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Speaker 4: Is that a real risk?
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Speaker 18: It absolutely is a big risk, and it's a big
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Speaker 18: risk for the most vulnerable cohort of people, the people
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Speaker 18: that have borrowed ninety five percent, which have used the
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Speaker 18: five percent deposit scheme that the federal government's got. Of course,
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Speaker 18: I mean basic mathematics. If you bought a property for
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Speaker 18: a million dollars and you had a five percent deposit,
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Speaker 18: that meant fifty thousand. You borrowed ninety fifty. Now, with
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Speaker 18: the way the market's going, if this property reduces its
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Speaker 18: value from one million to say nine hundred, which is
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Speaker 18: only a ten percent reduction, that borrower has borrowed nine
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Speaker 18: hundred and fifty thousand.
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Speaker 6: This is called negative equity.
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Speaker 18: This is very, very concerning, and we're already seeing around
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Speaker 18: the country transactions and there's not just one or two
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Speaker 18: of them. There's many of them that are being sold
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Speaker 18: lower that want people have paid them for. But I'm
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Speaker 18: mainly concerned about that first buyer cohort of peace people.
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Speaker 18: They're the vulnerable people because they're the ones that have
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Speaker 18: risked their life savings to get into the marketplace, and
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Speaker 18: now they're facing the possibility that the properties that they've
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Speaker 18: bought are lower than what they've paid for them.
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Speaker 2: And all the while, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has tried to
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Speaker 2: play this down, saying it's best not to overreact from
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Speaker 2: data from a week or two ago. Tom Panas, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time in analysis. Tonight coming up,
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Speaker 2: Iran claims it has the exclusive right to control the
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Speaker 2: Strait of Hormus, just as it supposedly agrees to further
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Speaker 2: talks Kosher Gata on that after the break. Now to
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, where Axios reports the US and Iran
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Speaker 2: have agreed to stop attacks and meet again in Doha
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday after fresh clashes over the Strait of Hormuz,
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Speaker 2: but Tehran is already claiming it has sole control over
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Speaker 2: the waterway, while the Americans insist vessels must move freely.
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Speaker 2: More on this, I'm joined by Sky News contributor Kosha Gada.
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Speaker 2: Kosha always great to check in with you. Now, is
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Speaker 2: Iran actually serious about peace or is it just trying
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Speaker 2: to bank its leverage over the Strait of hor moves.
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Speaker 2: And how do you think this bodes for the peace
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Speaker 2: agreement given that both sides, yet again, the Americans and
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Speaker 2: the Iranians, have a completely different version of what's been
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Speaker 2: agreed to.
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Speaker 19: Not great, for sure, And if it weren't such a
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Speaker 19: serious matter, Karlin, I think we could say that this
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Speaker 19: is like a bad video game. It just never ends.
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Speaker 19: You think you're making it to the final level of
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Speaker 19: the game, and then we're back down to level one,
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Speaker 19: starting all over again. I think both parties probably are
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Speaker 19: interested in peace insofar as this does become existential, certainly
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Speaker 19: for Iran, and it's just very hard to operate without
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Speaker 19: some sort of stability. But at the same time, it
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Speaker 19: is all about leverage and flexing. Iran has definitely shown
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Speaker 19: through this conflict that not the nuclear threat, but the
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Speaker 19: other area where they can't flex is their control over
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Speaker 19: the Strait, which processes twenty percent of shipping of oil
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Speaker 19: in the world. They know that they've seen how they
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Speaker 19: could make world powers come to their knees just by
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Speaker 19: closing that straight, and so I think this was sort
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Speaker 19: of a reminder that they still do have that control
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Speaker 19: even though there was this fragile cease fire in place,
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Speaker 19: peace steal in place, and they are sort of haggling
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Speaker 19: on the terms of what that entails and which corridors
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Speaker 19: people are allowed to sail through. And it was sort
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Speaker 19: of like a warning shot, I think, as they know
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Speaker 19: that more deeper negotiations are still to come to fruition
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Speaker 19: past the MoU and this was sort of a signal
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Speaker 19: to the US side by them that they've got a
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Speaker 19: lot of leverage and they intend to use it.
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Speaker 2: Well, no doubt there will be many more updates before
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Speaker 2: the next time we speak Kosher. Things changing all the
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Speaker 2: time of in the Middle East. Let's talk about Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump unfailing. What the White House is calling a patriot
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Speaker 2: passport America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday, with his portrait
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Speaker 2: inside the front cover, surrounded by words from the Declaration
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Speaker 2: of Independence. This limited edition passport will be issued from
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Speaker 2: July sixth while supplies last, and naturally, the usual Trump
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Speaker 2: critics are already having meltdowns over it. What are the
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Speaker 2: left saying about this? And why can't they just celebrate
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Speaker 2: a little bit of fun.
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Speaker 19: Trump's certainly having fun with it. Look, they'll say that
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Speaker 19: it's very self aggrandizing and very gouch and there's a
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Speaker 19: kernel of truth there. I mean, that is very very trump.
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Speaker 19: They have a point sort of he's slapping his name.
47:42
Speaker 19: He loves to see his name on everything. You know,
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Speaker 19: we know that from when he was in the private
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Speaker 19: sector as well. But my view, my personal view is
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Speaker 19: the reason for this ultimately is he does like toa troll.
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Speaker 19: He's lucky that since he didn't win in twenty twenty
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Speaker 19: and he's in now, he's presiding over the two hundred
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Speaker 19: and fiftieth anniversary, so he's sort of seizing that our
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Speaker 19: tunity for a little bit of fun. And you know,
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Speaker 19: he feels like he's come back with a vengeance after
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Speaker 19: everything they tried to do to him. They mugshott at
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Speaker 19: him and raided him and almost bankrupted him and tried
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Speaker 19: to throw him off the ballot, almost assassinated him.
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Speaker 4: He's back.
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Speaker 19: He won in a landslide, and he's saying, you know what,
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Speaker 19: this is what it is.
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Speaker 4: It's peedback.
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Speaker 2: If I want to put my name and face on
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Speaker 2: a passport, I will, That's what he's saying.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: Staying with America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. Paul Murray
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Speaker 2: has a new one hour documentary, Trump's America two hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty Years in the Making, premieres on Sky News
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Speaker 2: this Wednesday at eight pm. What does America's two hundred
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Speaker 2: and fiftieth anniversary mean at a time when the country
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Speaker 2: feels so divided?
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Speaker 19: Kosher great question. You know, it is a little bit checkered.
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Speaker 19: It's certainly the big pictures. It's a feat. It is,
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Speaker 19: I believe, the most exceptional country in modern history that
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Speaker 19: came about and just everything that it's been through and
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Speaker 19: it's achieved, and I think most people would recognize that.
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Speaker 19: But it is mired in a lot of division. A
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Speaker 19: lot of the trend lines are not great right now,
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Speaker 19: debts and deficits and immigration, cost of living and crime,
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Speaker 19: all the stuff that's plaguing much of the Western sphere.
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Speaker 4: So it's a little bit there is kind.
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Speaker 19: Of that dark cloud over it. However, it is a
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Speaker 19: great story of a country. It still is a young country,
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Speaker 19: and I do think it's sebasties can still be ahead
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Speaker 19: if it sort of heals this division and gets back
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Speaker 19: on the right track on some of those dimensions that
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Speaker 19: are not trending. Well, but never discount I think American spirit,
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Speaker 19: ingenuity and hopefully it'll be a good moment for the
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Speaker 19: country to come together despite being very divided.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think look, there's a lot of shame
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Speaker 2: and guilt being felt around the whole Western world here
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Speaker 2: in Australia, included over Australia Day and the date and
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Speaker 2: all the rest of that. I think we can watch
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Speaker 2: closely what's happening over there and maybe take some pride
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Speaker 2: in people celebrating their country.
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Speaker 4: Kosha Gada, thanks for your.
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Speaker 2: Time tonight, and just to remind it that special from
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Speaker 2: Paul Mariray will be airing on Wednesday night in this
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Speaker 2: time slot at eight pm. Make sure you tune in.
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Speaker 2: But right now it is time to cross over to
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Speaker 2: the great man himself, Paul Murray for the Paul Murray Live.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you back here tomorrow at eight