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'WE JUST WANT YOU HOME,' TRI-STATE MOM AMIE OWENS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we just want you home.
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Speaker 1: Tri State Mom Amy Owen's vanishes tonight, her family joining
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Speaker 1: us desperate for Amy's return. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: A mother of three vanishes without a trace after a
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Speaker 2: series of disturbing text messages.
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Speaker 3: This is your mama. I love you and I wanted
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Speaker 3: to just hear your handsome voice and tell you how
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Speaker 3: much I missed you.
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Speaker 1: Where is beloved mother? Amy? Put yourself in the family's shoes.
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Speaker 1: Now that's something. As a trial lawyer in criminal law,
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Speaker 1: you are never allowed to ask a jury to do
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Speaker 1: put themselves in the shoes of the victim. But tonight
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm asking you to do in our search
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Speaker 1: for Amy. Joining us an incredible panel. But first I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go out to two special guests in joining us,
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Speaker 1: Robin and Kila, the daughter and daughter in law of
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Speaker 1: Amy Owens. Ladies, thank you for being with us. First,
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Speaker 1: to Robin, this is Amy's daughter. When did you realize
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Speaker 1: your mom is missing?
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Speaker 4: If you look back at the text messages, it stopped
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Speaker 4: and I knew something was wrong. We always had a
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Speaker 4: pretty good conversation. So once that happened, I just knew
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Speaker 4: something was going on.
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Speaker 1: You knew instinctively, Yes, so you text a lot with
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Speaker 1: mom Amy and you noticed it suddenly the texts weren't
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Speaker 1: being returned, and you knew then something was wrong. Is
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Speaker 1: that what you're saying, Robin, Yes, okay, I just want
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Speaker 1: to follow up on that very quickly before we go forward,
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Speaker 1: because Robin, as you know, when you're building a case,
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Speaker 1: you look at every single fact and everything it can
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Speaker 1: show what it can prove. Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons,
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Speaker 1: joining US Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security. Why Fitzgibbons tonight.
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Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons leads a team of investigators that travel the world
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Speaker 1: literally finding and extracting missing people. He is a former
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Speaker 1: Marine an Iraqi war vet. Brian, right there. Can I
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Speaker 1: tell you how many times that I have had witnesses
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Speaker 1: tell me, well, she didn't return my call. And that's
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Speaker 1: very unusual. With my twins who are eighteen, and my
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Speaker 1: husband we text throughout the day. We rarely call, but
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Speaker 1: we text, and if I don't hear back from them,
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Speaker 1: I know something's off. It could be something as simple
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Speaker 1: as John Davids in the middle of a physics test,
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Speaker 1: or Lucy's in one of her habitat humanity meetings. It
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Speaker 1: could be anything like that. But I know something is
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Speaker 1: not the routine. And I've had a lot of cases
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Speaker 1: timelines start with failure to respond to a text. So
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Speaker 1: what Robin Hunter is saying in my mind is the
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Speaker 1: beginning of my timeline.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And we have to realize that these devices that
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Speaker 6: we live with really add into what we would call
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Speaker 6: a pattern of life. So these texts not being responded
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Speaker 6: to in a timely fashion is a major departure from
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Speaker 6: a routine in that in Amy Owen's pattern of life
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Speaker 6: in communicating with their children. And adding one thing to this,
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Speaker 6: and I know that Robin and Kylie can probably add
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Speaker 6: to this. It's been reported that there was issues with
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Speaker 6: her speakerphone, that she wasn't speaking on the phone with people,
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Speaker 6: that just texts were coming in. So a break, a
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Speaker 6: major departure in a pattern of life is certainly a
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Speaker 6: beginning of a timeline.
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Speaker 1: And you know, we've had cases start with timelines with
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Speaker 1: the barking of a dog, and the you know, ultimate
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Speaker 1: case in that is the oj Simpson double murder. Of
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Speaker 1: his wife and Ron Goldman, his ex wife. I might
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Speaker 1: add the dog Akita had a quote plaintive. Well, that
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Speaker 1: was the witnesses description, not mine. In the Nancy Guthrie case,
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Speaker 1: we have a dog her backyard. Neighbor's dog began barking
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Speaker 1: crazily around two a m. Which is around the time
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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie was kidnapped. So timelines can start in many
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Speaker 1: many ways. The significance is when you start your timeline,
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Speaker 1: you rule scenarios in or out. You will people in
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Speaker 1: or out based on their alibis, based on various players
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Speaker 1: movements at that time. For instance, if mom Amy had
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Speaker 1: been let's see, driving cross country to visit a girlfriend
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Speaker 1: at that time, that's when that's where we'll start looking.
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Speaker 1: If she had been going to the mall at that time,
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Speaker 1: that's where we start looking. So the timeline is critical.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear Amy in her own voice,
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Speaker 1: in her own words.
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Speaker 3: Listen, Yes, I am trying to reach mister Kylon Hurt.
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Speaker 3: This is your mama. I love you and I wanted
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Speaker 3: to just hear your handsome voice and tell you how
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Speaker 3: much I missed you. I was thinking about you, the
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Speaker 3: kids and Jackie and how much you just made me
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Speaker 3: smile from ear to ear. I'm so proud of you, Kylin,
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Speaker 3: to hear you have a voicemail about your own company.
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Speaker 3: You amaze me every day. I love you, I missed you,
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Speaker 3: and I just wanted you to know I was thinking
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Speaker 3: about you. Give me a call whenever you get a chance.
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Speaker 3: Kiss the kids, please, I love you.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye. You can hear the love coming out of her
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Speaker 1: voice for her son right there. And I don't believe
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Speaker 1: there's any way that she would intentionally separate herself from
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Speaker 1: her children. Back to Robin Hunter, this is Amy's daughter.
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Speaker 1: So you notice your mom is not texting back anymore,
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Speaker 1: What if anything do you do at that time?
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Speaker 4: So at that point, I didn't really have much I
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Speaker 4: was able to do, but we started making like missing
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Speaker 4: people missing person reports on Facebook. We texted a lot
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Speaker 4: of her friends asking if they've heard from her. From
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Speaker 4: her as well, we reached out to Lansar to have
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Speaker 4: them post something like a flyer for her as well.
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Speaker 1: What was her frame of mind, Robin, when you last
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Speaker 1: spoke to your mom or last texted with her, what
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Speaker 1: could you glean?
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Speaker 4: I know she was she was going through a lot
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Speaker 4: at that point in time. That's but she's always been like,
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Speaker 4: I don't know, It's really hard to explain.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Robin Hunter, this is Amy missing mom.
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Speaker 1: Amy Owens' daughter is her daughter in law. Uh two
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Speaker 1: of them, Kela Johnson and Jackie Hurt, both Amy's daughters
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Speaker 1: in law, trying to find their mother in law. Amy
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Speaker 1: Owens to Kla, thank you so much for being with
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Speaker 1: us tonight, Keyla. Now, your mom seemingly dropped off the
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Speaker 1: map around the time that she stopped texting. What do
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Speaker 1: you recall of that time period?
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Speaker 7: At one point then it just stopped and we realized that,
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Speaker 7: you know, something was wrong.
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Speaker 1: What is her relationship with her son? I know she's
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Speaker 1: got a great relationship with Robin. What about with her son.
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Speaker 7: She always had a good relationship with Michael. They always
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Speaker 7: stayed in communication. You know, they're very close.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now, Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, who
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Speaker 1: has been investigating the case for self. Sidney, let's just
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning. What do we know?
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Speaker 8: Well, we know that Amy has a close relationship with
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Speaker 8: her three grown children, with her five grandchildren, she enjoys
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Speaker 8: spending time with them. She's visiting on a very frequent basis,
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Speaker 8: and then she starts to kind of disappear. The communication
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Speaker 8: slows down, she isn't coming by as frequently. It's harder
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Speaker 8: and harder to get her to respond to your calls,
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Speaker 8: to your text messages. And the last thing they know
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Speaker 8: is she sends a text I'm with this person, I'm
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Speaker 8: in Kentucky, and that's it. That's the last time anyone
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Speaker 8: ever hears from Amy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to follow up on what you just said,
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Speaker 1: but I also want to establish Sydney, what was her
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Speaker 1: normal routine that I'll circle back to Kentucky. Rove has
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Speaker 1: Gibbons USPA Nationwide security is so important to establish the
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Speaker 1: daily routine of the victim, what they were doing on
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Speaker 1: a typical day, because when that is interrupted or disrupted,
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Speaker 1: that also helps you set your timeline. Agree, disagree, absolutely agree.
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Speaker 6: Routine habits pattern her life. Right, So we have an
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Speaker 6: event here when Amy went missing, and you know, we
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Speaker 6: can look at this leading up, the time leading up
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Speaker 6: to that event as the fuse and then the blast
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Speaker 6: is the last time we hear from her, right, So
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Speaker 6: that pattern of life, establishing the routine of where she is,
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Speaker 6: who she's with, who she's communicating with, what her plan
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Speaker 6: and locate. This is a very basic victimology that we
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Speaker 6: would start with to make sure we have a full
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Speaker 6: understanding of the full scope or.
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Speaker 9: Business books.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Well, here's an example, Brian
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Speaker 1: and the Nancy Guthrie search. When she did not show
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Speaker 1: up the morning on a Sunday morning with her group
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Speaker 1: of friends that they got together every Sunday morning to
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Speaker 1: live stream the church service. They would get together every
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Speaker 1: Sunday since COVID to live stream the church service. When
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Speaker 1: she didn't show up, that's when everyone was alerted she
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Speaker 1: was missing because she broke routine. You're absolutely right straight
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Speaker 1: out to Jackie Johnson, this is Amy's daughter in law
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Speaker 1: Jackie regarding her DLA routine. What was her last job
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Speaker 1: before she went missing?
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Speaker 10: Her last job was it was an act throwing job
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Speaker 10: that she absolutely loved.
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Speaker 1: So, Jackie hurt, you stated your mom had an ax
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Speaker 1: throwing job. What is that?
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Speaker 10: She was an instructor and so she would teach people
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Speaker 10: how to throw the axes and kind of like deal
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Speaker 10: with the parties and stuff, and it kind of became
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Speaker 10: a her own personal hobby. Honestly, she absolutely adored it.
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Speaker 1: Now, when you say she would set up deal with
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Speaker 1: the parties, what do you mean like groups?
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Speaker 10: So the way it's set up as groups of people
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Speaker 10: would come in and like, I mean it could it
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Speaker 10: could range from just it's.
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Speaker 8: Like yeah, like a group or like a person.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they just go in for like a you know,
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Speaker 7: weekend activity or something.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Two. Doctor Janey Lacey joining US, license psychotherapist, CEO of
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Speaker 1: Life Counseling Solutions, and author of How to Heal from
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Speaker 1: a Toxic Relationship. She's the host of Let's Talk About
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Speaker 1: It with Janiue Lacy daughter Jennie, Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. You know, a lot of people have varying
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Speaker 1: degrees of social connection. They go out every night, they
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Speaker 1: rarely go out their home bodies, but their job is
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Speaker 1: something that typically is routine. In other words, they rarely
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Speaker 1: miss work. And hearing about her job that she loves
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Speaker 1: so much makes me consider that part of this equation
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Speaker 1: because if she doesn't show up for the job or
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Speaker 1: she leaves the job, I find that significant.
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Speaker 11: I find that significant as well, because when women who
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Speaker 11: genuinely love their work or they enjoy that part of
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Speaker 11: their their life, they don't generally just walk away from
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Speaker 11: their lives. They tend to leave gradual signals whether they've
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Speaker 11: become distanced, there's some type of conflict or detachment. So
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Speaker 11: what it sounds like what Amy's family's describing is the.
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Speaker 9: Opposite that she was engaged, that she loved her job.
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Speaker 11: If she considered it a hobby, right, I would think
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Speaker 11: that that was probably rebuilding. So it's not typical that
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Speaker 11: you would just leave those things behind voluntarily, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And it's not just a job. She's an AX throwing expert.
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Speaker 1: And the class was near Cincinnati, about a thirty minute
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Speaker 1: drive from where she was in Goshen, So it's not
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Speaker 1: just a job, it's something she loves doing. To Jackie
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Speaker 1: Hurt joining us, this is Amy's daughter in law, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: what do you and Kila? I want to refer find
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Speaker 1: this Remember about the time the few days, the weeks
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Speaker 1: surrounding the time that Amy seemingly disappears. What is your recollection?
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Speaker 10: I recollect the communication really really slowed down. We know
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Speaker 10: that she had left her job a couple months prior
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Speaker 10: to her disappearance, and she it was around January her
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Speaker 10: phone service got shut off, and that's when we were
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Speaker 10: guessing she was on Wi Fi and it was very
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Speaker 10: very slim communication if we even got any at all.
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Speaker 10: And her last known like physical appearance with our family
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Speaker 10: was July twenty third of twenty twenty four at her
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Speaker 10: grandmother's house. After that, everything else is over the phone.
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Speaker 10: We don't really know.
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner joining us from crime stories now. According to
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Speaker 1: Ohio's Brown County Sheriff's Office, Amy was last seen on
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Speaker 1: Goshen Road in Goshen. What do we know about the
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Speaker 1: circumstances of her last known spotting?
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Speaker 8: I think that was at her grandmother's house. Amy was
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Speaker 8: visiting family. She was keeping up with her kids and
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Speaker 8: her grandchildren, and after that, that's when she disappeared. She
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Speaker 8: was communicating only over WiFi. She didn't have cell service
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Speaker 8: in between, so her phone did not work unless she
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Speaker 8: had a Wi Fi connection. And the last conversation she
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Speaker 8: had with anyone was March thirtieth. And her children are
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Speaker 8: worried at this point. They are concerned. They're threatening to
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Speaker 8: do a wellness check because they know that something is
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Speaker 8: off in their communications with their mother. But unfortunately they
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Speaker 8: don't know where she is, and Amy doesn't communicate where
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Speaker 8: she is. The only thing that they know from Amy
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Speaker 8: was that she was staying with a romantic partner in Kentucky,
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Speaker 8: and just Kentucky. She did not elaborate. And there are
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Speaker 8: several cities within two hours. Lexington Louisville are both within
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Speaker 8: two hours of Cincinnati, so those could be places where
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Speaker 8: she could end up, but she could be six hours away.
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Speaker 8: So we really are going off of very little to
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Speaker 8: try and figure out where Amy might be now.
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Speaker 1: This mom, Amy Owens, incredibly family oriented, always kept contact
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Speaker 1: with family, never missing a holiday, Christmas, Easter, Birthdays, special
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Speaker 1: occasions with all of her children. A loving mom of
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Speaker 1: three children, grandma of five children who love her, desperate
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Speaker 1: to bring her home. Amy Owens five to three, one
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds, bright hair some times highlighted,
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Speaker 1: beautiful blue eyes. The family conducting searches on their own.
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Speaker 1: How could a loving mother and grandmother just disappear vanish
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Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. I guarantee you she
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Speaker 1: didn't just vanish. Take a look at Amy Owens the
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Speaker 1: tip line nine three seven three seven eight four four
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Speaker 1: three five repeat nine three seven three seven eight four
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Speaker 1: four three five.
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Speaker 2: Amy Owens' children are distraught and desperately searching for answers
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Speaker 2: after their beloved mother disappears into thin air.
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Speaker 3: How much you just made me smile from ear to ear.
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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you, Kylen. You amaze me every day.
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Speaker 3: I love you, I missed you, and I just wanted
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Speaker 3: you to know I was thinking about you.
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Speaker 5: What's ever happened or no matter what's ever going on,
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Speaker 5: she has always come back to her safe place. So
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Speaker 5: I definitely have strong belief that this is not her will,
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Speaker 5: that this is not something she has chose to do.
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Speaker 5: It would mean the world to us if we could
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Speaker 5: get a tip of which way to look. I don't
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Speaker 5: necessarily like the word closure.
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Speaker 9: Because that could mean a multitude of things.
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Speaker 5: I would really strongly say, we want answers.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing from our friends at Fox fifty six
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Speaker 1: and Les eighteen. Amy Owen's family desperate tonight for answers.
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Speaker 1: Please put yourself just for a moment in their shoes.
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Speaker 1: Mom Gone no leads, joining us an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know about Amy's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: seemingly vanishing off the face of the earth. We've talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about tex suddenly stopping becoming sporadic as stopping.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at some of the last texts
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Speaker 1: and try to determine what, if anything, we can glean.
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Speaker 1: She says, what do you mean, what's going on with me? Response?
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to get a hold of you for
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Speaker 1: the last two days. What's going on with you? You don't
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Speaker 1: answer two days? I need to talk to you. Can
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Speaker 1: you call me? Okay, just forget it? Why are you
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Speaker 1: so distant? And it goes on. I'm going to do
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Speaker 1: a wellness check on you if you don't answer. I'm okay.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going through a lot, says Amy. And you
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Speaker 1: can't talk to me. Nobody's heard from you. I'm worried.
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Speaker 1: Erica said, you're with someone named Jeff and more. Are
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Speaker 1: you alive? Yes? Sorry, A lot going on, just checking
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Speaker 1: on you. Stay safe. We're supposed to be having bad storms.
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Speaker 1: You guys stay safe too. What have you been up
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Speaker 1: to answer? Please need to ask a serious question about
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Speaker 1: my kid? Hello? What is going on with you? Hello?
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Speaker 1: Question mark? Question mark? Question mark? And then the texts end.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that happening when you're texting your mother
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Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining us, Doctor Jane Lacy,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jamie. When that's your only connection, the only way
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Speaker 1: you're speaking to your mom, she's not calling back. You
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Speaker 1: tell all you're going to do a wellness check. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to make an impression because my mom will
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Speaker 1: say no, no, no, don't call police. I'll call you right now.
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Speaker 1: Amy didn't do that, which makes me suspicious. Was that
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Speaker 1: not even Amy on those texts? See where I'm going
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Speaker 1: with this? And then in addition to the wellness check,
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Speaker 1: they try a soft spot, Hey, I need to ask
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Speaker 1: you an important question about your grandchild. She still didn't
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Speaker 1: call doctor Janey.
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Speaker 11: Now I would agree with you, Nancy, that I would
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Speaker 11: be looking at it and to one if that was
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Speaker 11: her norm of communicating with her kids, kind of brushing
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Speaker 11: them off, And if it wasn't, then the possibility absolutely
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Speaker 11: could be with someone else that had her phone that
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Speaker 11: potentially was communicating on her behalf, or was she so
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Speaker 11: occupied or preoccupied with whatever was happening in that moment
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Speaker 11: when potentially in survival mode or just in panic mode,
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Speaker 11: was pressed to really focus on whatever is happening in
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Speaker 11: front of her. But that would be as we're talking
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Speaker 11: about patterns and routine and habits, and how someone normally communicates.
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Speaker 11: That would normally be the baseline, especially if it was
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Speaker 11: out of her norm to communicate or brush off her family,
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Speaker 11: especially when it came to her grandkids, because it sounded
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Speaker 11: like she was such a loving grandmother, which would put,
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Speaker 11: in my opinion, out of her norm.
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Speaker 1: Back to Brian fitz Gibbons, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security,
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Speaker 1: specializing in finding missing people. That's why he's joining us
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Speaker 1: here tonight along with Amy's family. I want to hear
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Speaker 1: your thoughts and how you would approach this.
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Speaker 6: The first and obvious approach here is Jeff Okay, this
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Speaker 6: individual who Amy communicated that she was with him and
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Speaker 6: by the way, also communicated to family members.
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Speaker 9: It's been widely reported that she was.
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Speaker 6: Planning on potentially leaving him, looking at vehicles on Facebook
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Speaker 6: marketplace and not having a good time with Jeff, that.
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Speaker 9: There were issues in that relationship.
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Speaker 6: So the focus really needs to be on finding out
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Speaker 6: when did she encounter this Jeff, Where did they first meet?
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Speaker 6: Someone knows who Jeff is, someone knows where Jeff is from,
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Speaker 6: someone knows where he resides, and that is the immediate focus.
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Speaker 6: Finding Jeff will unlock being able to find Amy.
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sonner joining US Crimes Toys investigative reporter Sidney, How
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Speaker 1: does this guy named Jeff facked her into the timeline?
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Speaker 8: She told her family she was staying with Jeff and
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Speaker 8: mentioned that she wasn't very comfortable with him. This wasn't
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Speaker 8: someone she trusted and she felt like she wasn't in
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Speaker 8: a great situation. But Jeff is the last known person
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Speaker 8: to be with Amy, and Amy tells her family she's
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Speaker 8: staying with him in Kentucky, so he fits in. He
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Speaker 8: is one of the last people to possibly have seen Amy.
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Speaker 1: Well, hold on beef, it's gibbons. Wouldn't this be a
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Speaker 1: matter of if she's texting I'm with Jeff. Wouldn't this
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Speaker 1: be a matter of triangulating her phone finding out where
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Speaker 1: she was? I mean, we see it happen in cases
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Speaker 1: all the time. That's move number one. Where was her
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Speaker 1: lap own last known to be?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think in this case it now becomes
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Speaker 6: a matter of resources devoted by law enforcement to this case. Now,
24:12
Speaker 6: I think the the immediate thing is the family. I
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Speaker 6: believe the family has this phone number for Jeff. If
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Speaker 6: they do, I'm certainly willing to help on any way
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Speaker 6: that I can, but the first step is finding Jeff.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me let me follow up with that to
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Speaker 1: Keyla Johnson and Jackie Hurt, the daughters in law, Amy,
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Speaker 1: Jackie or Killa. Is that correct? We have a phone
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Speaker 1: number for Jeff?
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Speaker 8: I don't know.
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Speaker 10: I don't know if we specifically have a phone number,
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Speaker 10: but they were able to locate a Jeff in her
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Speaker 10: phone with an address in Pineville, Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, hold on, that's significant. Pinesville, Kentucky. Are pine
25:00
Speaker 1: is in a pine tree? Okay? When you say they
25:04
Speaker 1: were able to locate an address for Jeff, who is they?
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Speaker 10: We heard it from the Brown County Sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: Great, that's good news. So they don't have her actual phone,
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Speaker 1: but they have accessed it through the cloud. Is that right?
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Speaker 7: It basically did, and they've got a search warrant to
25:26
Speaker 7: for a Verizon for her phone records. So we essentially
25:28
Speaker 7: had a call log of like the numbers that were
25:30
Speaker 7: in contact with Amy's phone.
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Speaker 1: That is huge. That's the first good news I've heard tonight. Okay,
25:39
Speaker 1: hold on, stop everything, Jackie Kila, I feel like it's
25:43
Speaker 1: Christmas morning. Why if it's Gibbons? If they have accessed
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Speaker 1: her phone through pursue it to search warrant, and they've
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Speaker 1: gotten Jeff's address, then what are we waiting on?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think to clarify that and the family can
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Speaker 6: correct me here. But I believe they found someone named
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Speaker 6: Jeff in her phone and a phone number, and that
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Speaker 6: phone number is registered to the location of Pineville, Kentucky.
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Speaker 6: So it brings us back to hey, resources, can the
26:19
Speaker 6: family identify who Jeff was, how they met, when they met,
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Speaker 6: where they met, where they went.
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Speaker 9: These are the next steps.
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Speaker 1: So Brian, you lost me and your reasoning. If they
26:35
Speaker 1: know where the phone was registered and address, whether he
26:40
Speaker 1: lives there or not, that is a lead. You go
26:46
Speaker 1: to that address, you find out who lives there, if
26:48
Speaker 1: they know Jeff, if they have seen Amy, and you
26:51
Speaker 1: go from there. I mean, it's got to be something
26:53
Speaker 1: to him, wouldn't you think his lka, last known address,
26:57
Speaker 1: his childhood home where he was living at the time.
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Speaker 1: It could be any number of addresses. So I'm sensing
27:05
Speaker 1: from you that's a dead end, But I don't agree.
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Speaker 1: Why are you saying that?
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Speaker 9: So here's the deal.
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Speaker 6: You can go to Walmart and buy a burner phone,
27:14
Speaker 6: right that burner phone is going to have a number.
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Speaker 6: That number will have a location assigned to it. Okay,
27:21
Speaker 6: and in this case, that location is Pineville, Kentucky.
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Speaker 9: That number was.
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Speaker 6: Saved in Amy's phone with the name Jeff, so law
27:30
Speaker 6: enforcement didn't necessarily get a registration saying Jeff with a
27:34
Speaker 6: last name, last known address.
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Speaker 9: What they had was listed in Amy's phone.
27:40
Speaker 6: Manually typed in, Jeff, here's this number. And I'm speculating here,
27:45
Speaker 6: but let's say it's a burner phone, a prepaid phone.
27:49
Speaker 6: That phone would not have a full registration. We just
27:52
Speaker 6: have an idea on where it was purchased.
27:56
Speaker 5: Mom, if you hear this, it's time to come home.
28:08
Speaker 2: From our friends at w k RC, an Ohio family
28:13
Speaker 2: is torn apart when their mother, Amy Owens, goes missing.
28:16
Speaker 2: Endless texts and calls from their children left unanswered.
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Speaker 1: The search is on for a missing mom, Amy Owens,
28:27
Speaker 1: last known to be with a new friend named Jeff.
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Speaker 1: That's all we know. Straight out to doctor Jane Lacy, psychotherapist,
28:40
Speaker 1: CEO Life Counseling Solutions. You can find her a Jane
28:45
Speaker 1: Lacy dot com. Now we are hearing her daughter, her
28:50
Speaker 1: daughter's in law, talking about how she was not happy
28:56
Speaker 1: with this relationship with Jeff and considering ending it. The
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Speaker 1: single most dangerous time for women is when they either
29:06
Speaker 1: a or pregnant. Homicide the number one cause of death
29:11
Speaker 1: amongst pregnant women. Not hypertension, high blood pressure, not just
29:17
Speaker 1: stational diabetes, No, not heart attack, It's homicide. I could
29:21
Speaker 1: not believe that stat when I first learned about it,
29:25
Speaker 1: and I actually cross examined on air the author of
29:30
Speaker 1: the article in the New England Journal of Health, and
29:33
Speaker 1: she was right. I didn't believe it until I spoke
29:36
Speaker 1: to her and questioned her doctor Jamie, but she's absolutely correct.
29:40
Speaker 1: The statistics bear it out. Pregnancy and when you're trying
29:44
Speaker 1: to leave the relationship. I learned that as a volunteer
29:48
Speaker 1: at the Better Women's Center hotline explain why that it's
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Speaker 1: such a dangerous time for women and possibly for amy well.
29:59
Speaker 11: Women with histories of domestic violence or toxic relationships, they
30:04
Speaker 11: are significantly elevated risk when they're attempting to leave or
30:08
Speaker 11: transition the relationship because the person who would be not
30:15
Speaker 11: wanting to leave is losing control. They're losing control, and
30:19
Speaker 11: then that becomes a single most important part when the
30:22
Speaker 11: person who is the batterer or the perpetrator. When they
30:26
Speaker 11: lose the control, they try to gain the control, and
30:28
Speaker 11: this is where the where the danger happens. But you
30:32
Speaker 11: know what I would want people to know and understand
30:35
Speaker 11: about this in particular, Nancy, it's not about when we
30:38
Speaker 11: think about the women in these relationships. It's not about
30:40
Speaker 11: stupidity or making a wrong choice. It is not about
30:43
Speaker 11: the choices they make when women grow up or live
30:47
Speaker 11: for years in environments where love comes with danger or
30:50
Speaker 11: the brain. It's because the brain literally wires itself to
30:53
Speaker 11: associate potentially intimacy with intensity, which is with volatility. So
30:58
Speaker 11: they keep finding men who feel familiar, even when familiar
31:01
Speaker 11: is harmful. And it's what we call a trauma bond,
31:03
Speaker 11: and without intervention, those bonds are incredibly powerful. So Amy
31:08
Speaker 11: may have known something was wrong in her relationship, especially
31:11
Speaker 11: if her family's reporting she was trying to get out,
31:13
Speaker 11: So that tells me she had an awareness, and awareness
31:16
Speaker 11: alone isn't enough. She needed support and right now that's
31:20
Speaker 11: what she needs is for someone to come forward. In
31:23
Speaker 11: my opinion, Nancy, someone knows something.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Jenny and Lacy. You
31:41
Speaker 1: just stated that, so eloquently. I have a dear friend
31:45
Speaker 1: that I worked with and on air when I was
31:48
Speaker 1: on airr and she's a producer and she was considering marriage.
31:54
Speaker 1: She called me when Nancy, I'm bored with him, I'm like,
31:57
Speaker 1: quickly marry him. Your last relationship was just, let me say, turbulent.
32:04
Speaker 1: And that's certainly a euphemism, putting perfume on the pig.
32:09
Speaker 1: Lots of arguments, breakups, makeups, that whole thing, suspicious about
32:14
Speaker 1: whereabouts what he was doing. He wants to live like that,
32:18
Speaker 1: and she was used to it, you see what I mean?
32:21
Speaker 1: And then she gets a great guy, loving, dependable, handsome,
32:30
Speaker 1: the works, and she's bored, like, don't you see what
32:34
Speaker 1: you're doing. You've been in this other cycle for so
32:37
Speaker 1: long you don't even understand how to respond when you've
32:41
Speaker 1: got real love, a real man, not somebody that drags
32:46
Speaker 1: you through the mud back and forth every other week,
32:49
Speaker 1: but somebody that treasures you and takes care of you
32:52
Speaker 1: or tries to, not that you need taking care of,
32:55
Speaker 1: but somebody that wants to help you in life. You're
32:59
Speaker 1: not you to a real relationship, a loving relationship. Guess
33:04
Speaker 1: what she's married. She just had her first baby, and
33:08
Speaker 1: she writes me all the time, Thank goodness you told
33:13
Speaker 1: me to stick with this guy. I don't mean be
33:14
Speaker 1: unhappy because you're not suitable. But when you've been these
33:17
Speaker 1: turbulent relationships, you don't know when you're in a good
33:20
Speaker 1: one because it's not what you're used to. You're missing
33:23
Speaker 1: that adrenaline up and down. Am I saying it correctly,
33:26
Speaker 1: doctor Janie? Probably not.
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Speaker 11: You are saying in a way that most people can understand.
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Speaker 5: Right.
33:32
Speaker 11: We have a nervous system, and our nervous system gets
33:36
Speaker 11: used to the routines what it and doesn't know whether
33:39
Speaker 11: it's healthy or not. So it's what we call intermittent reinforcement,
33:43
Speaker 11: which then creates these relationships to be very addictive. That
33:46
Speaker 11: intermittent reinforcement basically is when someone treats you bad, they
33:50
Speaker 11: also treat you well at times, but what you do
33:52
Speaker 11: is you hold on to those moments of when they're
33:54
Speaker 11: going to treat you well at times, so you endure
33:56
Speaker 11: those the times or they're not treating you as well,
33:59
Speaker 11: and that creates that come here, go away, and you
34:01
Speaker 11: stay for the breadcrumbs. And that usually is grounded in
34:04
Speaker 11: some level of childhood trauma. That's been untreated and unhealed.
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Speaker 1: So it makes sense in.
34:09
Speaker 11: The context of these stories if we don't just judge
34:11
Speaker 11: women with the choices of the men, but if we
34:13
Speaker 11: look at the context, there's a nervous system that says,
34:16
Speaker 11: this is safe, even though they're not safe. And as
34:18
Speaker 11: you mentioned with your example, someone who could be stable,
34:21
Speaker 11: they could be safe, they could be healthy, says the
34:23
Speaker 11: nervous system says, this is danger. That's not where we're
34:25
Speaker 11: used to. So then we hear that they're boring where
34:28
Speaker 11: you don't have chemistry, we don't have compatibility, and then
34:31
Speaker 11: they go back to what is familiar and not familiar
34:33
Speaker 11: feels like it's chemistry, it feels like all these other things,
34:36
Speaker 11: but it's usually the same familiar, toxic relationship they've had
34:40
Speaker 11: in the past.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, Brian Fitzgibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security, you have
34:46
Speaker 1: handled so many more than you can count. I'm sure
34:50
Speaker 1: missing people cases is typically women and children that go missing,
34:54
Speaker 1: and very often when it's a woman, it's on the
34:57
Speaker 1: heels of a toxic relationship.
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Speaker 6: One hundred percent, you know, it's almost nine out of
35:04
Speaker 6: ten cases involving women involve a toxic controlling relationship, and
35:13
Speaker 6: in this case, we don't know much about this last
35:17
Speaker 6: relationship other than a handful of messages exchanged with family
35:23
Speaker 6: that are deeply concerning.
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Speaker 9: And that's what.
35:25
Speaker 6: Leads me to say that every possible effort should be
35:30
Speaker 6: focused on trying to identify who this Jeff is, where
35:35
Speaker 6: he's from, and where they were in Kentucky together. That
35:39
Speaker 6: I think that major leads in this case can come
35:42
Speaker 6: from Kentucky if provided we can identify Jeff.
35:47
Speaker 1: Straight back out to Keela Johnson and Jackie Hurt, these
35:51
Speaker 1: are Amy Owen's daughters in law, and that speaks a
35:54
Speaker 1: lot to her. A lot of people hate their mother
35:57
Speaker 1: in law. I've been really blessed my mother in law
36:01
Speaker 1: and father in law since I have ever known them.
36:05
Speaker 1: We never had a single crossword, not even once, and
36:10
Speaker 1: apparently that's really rare. To Keila and Jackie, a couple
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Speaker 1: of quick questions, is your mom connected with a vehicle?
36:18
Speaker 1: Did she have a car, and if so, what was
36:19
Speaker 1: the making model?
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Speaker 10: She did not have a car. There's actually text messages
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Speaker 10: with her friend saying she's trying to get a car.
36:29
Speaker 10: And this Jeff guy, there's one text saying that he
36:32
Speaker 10: did not let her get the car she was looking at.
36:35
Speaker 10: So I don't know what that means, but I know
36:37
Speaker 10: she was trying to get a vehicle to get home.
36:40
Speaker 10: That those text messages have made that very clear.
36:43
Speaker 1: Okay, right there, if my husband told me you cannot
36:48
Speaker 1: get a car, he had put out a hand and
36:50
Speaker 1: pulled back a nub right there, telling her she can't
36:54
Speaker 1: can't get would not let her get a car. Okay,
36:59
Speaker 1: that's not good. So no car attached. The reason I'm
37:03
Speaker 1: asking Kila and Jackie is because very often we have
37:07
Speaker 1: solved cases based on getting a description of a vehicle. Okay,
37:12
Speaker 1: so that's a no go. In other cases, I've been
37:16
Speaker 1: suspicious that the victim is not the one texting. Was
37:22
Speaker 1: her language, her vernacular, the way she texted normal in
37:27
Speaker 1: her last texts.
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Speaker 10: I remember she always wrote books. She would write us
37:33
Speaker 10: like big, huge text messages. So those little short and
37:37
Speaker 10: sweet messages, it definitely did.
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Speaker 7: Like didn't feel right, Yeah, didn't feel like that was
37:44
Speaker 7: her really.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm so glad you're telling me that.
37:50
Speaker 1: In the Gabby Patito case, which is the case we
37:53
Speaker 1: investigated extensively, a red flag was raised when Gabby's texts
37:58
Speaker 1: said something like, here's an example, if my sister wrote
38:03
Speaker 1: me and said tell Elizabeth Stokes Grace hello instead of
38:10
Speaker 1: taill mother Hello, I would know something was really wrong.
38:14
Speaker 1: And that's what happened in Gabby's case. So I find
38:17
Speaker 1: it significant that you find her text pattern to be different.
38:23
Speaker 1: So do you have any idea how she met or
38:25
Speaker 1: how she knew Jeff?
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Speaker 10: We kind of always knew kind of about them.
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Speaker 7: This she was like a reoccurring She would go back
38:32
Speaker 7: to the same kind of guys a lot of the time,
38:34
Speaker 7: so you know, they would be together and then fall out,
38:37
Speaker 7: you know, like you do. And so we would normally
38:40
Speaker 7: recognize the men, but this guy was someone that we
38:42
Speaker 7: hadn't had a chance to meet, and.
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Speaker 10: We never hear his name, and it was kind of like,
38:46
Speaker 10: who's Jeff.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we never remember a Jeff or recall Jeff.
38:50
Speaker 1: So so question, why do you believe they're in Kentucky.
38:56
Speaker 7: The only thing we have to go off of is
38:58
Speaker 7: that Amy said I'm in Kentucky with Jeff, and that
39:03
Speaker 7: is so vague. And like we said, we're on the
39:04
Speaker 7: topic of talking about if it's not even Amy, I mean,
39:07
Speaker 7: could someone be pushing a story for all we know,
39:10
Speaker 7: like that's totally off from what's actually happening. We don't know.
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Speaker 7: That's like literally our only indication that she was in
39:16
Speaker 7: Kentucky and she said.
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Speaker 10: She said that to her friend and her daughter. So
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Speaker 10: we have two separate messages stating that she was in Kentucky. Yeah, so,
39:26
Speaker 10: but the messages with her friend as well, those very
39:29
Speaker 10: vague and very short as well.
39:31
Speaker 1: Just like with her daughter to Kila and Jackie. If
39:36
Speaker 1: Amy can hear you tonight, what is your message to her.
39:43
Speaker 10: That we love you and we are looking for you,
39:48
Speaker 10: and we just want you home. We just want you
39:51
Speaker 10: back with us. Your grandkids miss you, we miss you,
39:54
Speaker 10: and we're looking forward to reuniting with you.
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Speaker 1: Yellah.
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Speaker 7: We are doing everything that we can to try to
40:05
Speaker 7: find you. We're confused, we don't know what's wrong, we
40:10
Speaker 7: don't know what happened. So if anybody knows anything, please
40:14
Speaker 7: like reach out and we're doing everything we can to
40:17
Speaker 7: find you.
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Speaker 1: The family now searching for Amy on their own, in
40:24
Speaker 1: addition to law enforcement. They have a go fund Me
40:28
Speaker 1: Help us seek answers, bring our mom Amy Home. If
40:34
Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything about the disappearance
40:38
Speaker 1: of Amy Owens, please call Brown County Sheriffs nine three
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Speaker 1: seven three seven eight four four three five repeat nine
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Speaker 1: three seven, three seven, eight four four three five. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace signing off Goodbye friend,