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BYE WEEK SPECIAL with Hugh Millen and Greg Cosell · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: You're home for the twelfth Man in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's Hugh with the Infernets on Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in here you go, hardcore football
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  Speaker 3: on a Monday afternoon. No a hardcore game to talk
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  Speaker 3: about yesterday, because why well, the Seahawks got a bye week.
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  Speaker 3: Next up, I hit the road against the Commanders. We
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  Speaker 3: did half of this on Friday, and in all this
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  Speaker 3: an all transparency, we tape the second half on Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Why because Great co Sale's a busy man. Hugh Millon's
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  Speaker 3: a busy man. But Great Cosell was on Hardcore on
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Millons with Great co Sale segment on Friday talking
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks defense through seven games. Great Cosales now on Hugh
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  Speaker 3: Millen's segment Hardcore Football on this Monday. And basically, that's
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  Speaker 3: what these two guys do, is hardcore football. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna get the hell out of the way and let
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  Speaker 3: these guys for the next seventeen to eighteen minutes talk
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  Speaker 3: about the Seahawks offense seven games into the season, Hugh Millen,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna turn it over to you to get after
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  Speaker 3: it with Greg Cosell and chop it up, fire away back.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk offense here, and I think I think
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  Speaker 4: the uh we talked about the rush defense Greg last
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  Speaker 4: week that rush defense might be the best part of
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  Speaker 4: the team on the Seahork team, I think rush offense
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  Speaker 4: is the worst part. And just some numbers to reflect,
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  Speaker 4: So the run percentage, the frequency the Seahawks at forty
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  Speaker 4: eight point nine percent run, that's number one in the
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  Speaker 4: NFL break rushing yards a game. They're nineteenth rush yards
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  Speaker 4: per attempt, they're thirtieth. What do you see And we'll
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  Speaker 4: get to granule on some schemes, but just as a
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  Speaker 4: general view, you're looking at thirty one other teams, you're
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  Speaker 4: comparing it. You're seeing these struggles by the Seahawks rush offense.
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  Speaker 4: What do you see from that perspective?
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  Speaker 5: Well, just as a quick aside before I answer that you,
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  Speaker 5: I think that Mike McDonald, And again I don't listen obviously,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not out there. I don't listen to press conference,
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  Speaker 5: so I don't know what the coach says, but I
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  Speaker 5: thought it was fascinating that they opened up the game
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  Speaker 5: against the Texans in twenty one personnel and ran isol
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  Speaker 5: lead week. Okay, because that's an attitude play. As you know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you've been with a lot of teams that
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  Speaker 5: ran the ball, you know, you were the Cowboys, And
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  Speaker 5: I think McDonald pretty much started that game with the
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  Speaker 5: idea that I want to run the ball and I
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  Speaker 5: want to develop more physicality, and I think that's probably
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  Speaker 5: something they want. But I would answer your question in
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  Speaker 5: a more you know, macro way by saying that I
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  Speaker 5: think that one of the issues with Walker, Kenneth Walker,
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  Speaker 5: who's obviously very gifted in terms of quickness, burst, all
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  Speaker 5: those traits that you look for in a running back,
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  Speaker 5: is he's not an innate, natural downhill runner. And he's
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  Speaker 5: not a guy that immediately and innately gets harder in
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  Speaker 5: the yards. He's a bouncer. So what happens a lot
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  Speaker 5: instead of hitting it and getting two three yards and
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  Speaker 5: by the way, as you know, you every yard matters
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL. He's a guy that looks to bounce
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  Speaker 5: a lot, and there's too many you know, minus ones
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  Speaker 5: or no gains, and that really hurts an offense and Charboney.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's just not gifted enough as a runner
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  Speaker 5: to be a guy that to my based on my
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  Speaker 5: tape study that you want to give the ball to
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  Speaker 5: a lot, He's just not gifted enough. So I think
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  Speaker 5: that Walker is the guy that and I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if you can change a guy sort of innate mentality,
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  Speaker 5: but he's the guy that needs to be the guy.
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  Speaker 5: But he's at times it's a struggle with him because
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  Speaker 5: he just does not hit it up inside.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's some money observation. And first of all,
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  Speaker 4: for those that are wondering, what is an iso meaning,
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  Speaker 4: obviously that's a term for isolation, and what that is
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  Speaker 4: is depending on the defensive front, the offensive guard on
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  Speaker 4: the play side will generally block down with the center
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  Speaker 4: to create a double team.
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  Speaker 1: And then the full back.
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  Speaker 4: Now in this case, Greg that that was that's your
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  Speaker 4: backup fullback, right, I mean that was that was Brady Russell.
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  Speaker 4: But the fullback is leading up on the middle linebacker
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  Speaker 4: generally depending on the front, and it's a it's probably
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  Speaker 4: the most violent playing football, And you're right, Emmitt Smith
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  Speaker 4: had more rush rush rushing yards and his cowboy career
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  Speaker 4: on ISO than probably any other run with Moose Johnson.
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  Speaker 4: Uh clear in the way in that regard, So it
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  Speaker 4: and and you're you're right to point out hey first
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  Speaker 4: play of the game. It reflects what the discussion has
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  Speaker 4: been all week. So I'm glad that you pointed that out.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get granular on on K nine and and and Greg.
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  Speaker 4: As you know, there was a lot of talk in
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  Speaker 4: the off season about Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator, UH,
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  Speaker 4: that he's gonna come in, He's going to bring in
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  Speaker 4: the outside zone. So let's let's let's talk about some
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  Speaker 4: numbers in that regard the outside zone. The person the
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks at twenty five point two percent, that's seventh in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. They got fifty one attempts, that's about seven
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  Speaker 4: point three a game.
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  Speaker 1: They now their.
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  Speaker 4: Average on all running plays there is three point seven
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  Speaker 4: yards and that's thirtieth. Their average on the outside zones
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  Speaker 4: a little better at four point two. Average was about eighteenth.
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  Speaker 4: But Canine averages five point five and Charbonnet averages one
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  Speaker 4: point nine on the outside zone. Let me say it again,
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  Speaker 4: five So Canine, there are nineteen running backs who have
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  Speaker 4: twenty or more rush attempts on the outside zone in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL five point five average.
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  Speaker 1: That's fourth.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, Bjeon Robinson is the king of the outside zone,
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  Speaker 4: as you know. But but but as we're getting granular
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  Speaker 4: on that running game that we're told about the outside zone,
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  Speaker 4: the presence, they are actually you know a little bit
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  Speaker 4: better in that regard, and Canine's a lot better and
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  Speaker 4: maybe reflective of your observation about the bounce nature, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: he's you know, he's kind of there's a built in
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  Speaker 4: opportunity for a bouts on a stretch. Maybe just talk
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  Speaker 4: about that what you see from the outside zone specifically.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, as you know, you I mean outside zone
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  Speaker 5: at some point, I mean unless it's totally clear to
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  Speaker 5: the perimeter, which rarely happens. At some point you've got
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  Speaker 5: to stick your foot in the ground and you've got
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  Speaker 5: to get your shoulder square and you've got to hit
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  Speaker 5: it up. You know, that's essentially outside zone. And I
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  Speaker 5: just you know, Walker to me is uneven in that regard.
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  Speaker 5: And the thing is is he's so explosive. There's such
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  Speaker 5: natural quickness to him, and I don't think he and
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  Speaker 5: I think he does have some natural power to him
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  Speaker 5: as well, but he just too often, you know, when
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  Speaker 5: he feels that it's muddy, he just doesn't hit it
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  Speaker 5: up in there. And I think that, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: know the difference. I mean, I hope people listening know
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  Speaker 5: the difference. There's a big difference between second and eight
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  Speaker 5: and second and twelve. It's a big difference in terms
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  Speaker 5: of play calling, play calling options, how your quarterback feels
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  Speaker 5: about the play. And I just think that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I learned this. I worked with Merrillhidge for years and
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  Speaker 5: years and years, and you know, he used to tell
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  Speaker 5: me that when he first started in the league, Joe
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  Speaker 5: Green was still playing, and Joe Green made it very
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  Speaker 5: clear to him. And I imagine when Joe Green spoke
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  Speaker 5: that people listened and Joe Green told him that, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 5: if you get one yard, that's better than gaining no yards.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that that has to be the attitude
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  Speaker 5: of backs. You know, you can't search for big plays.
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  Speaker 5: They have to come naturally. And I think, again, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what's in Kenneth Walker's head. Obviously I don't,
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  Speaker 5: but I think when I watch his tape, I always
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  Speaker 5: feel you as if he's searching.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Coseil with us. I agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: And and by the way, just a thought on Greg,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna embarrass him here for a second. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: know I was going to say this, but he is
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  Speaker 4: the one guy, one analyst in all of football on
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  Speaker 4: any network anywhere, local, national, that did not play the game,
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  Speaker 4: but knows the game to the level of coaches and quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: And so when Greg Cosel talks, I listened because I
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  Speaker 4: know he's looking at thirty two teams and we're getting
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  Speaker 4: a wonderful perspective from him looking at the Seahawks before
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  Speaker 4: we transition into the passing game. And obviously Sam Darnold, Greg,
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  Speaker 4: let's let's kind of hit a point that's kind of
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  Speaker 4: in between those and that's play action pass. Now you
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  Speaker 4: and I on the thirty third team, and we saw
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  Speaker 4: a presentation not terribly long ago, and thirty third team
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  Speaker 4: is kind of a think tank of former GMS. There's
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  Speaker 4: some few players, a lot of GM's former head coaches.
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  Speaker 4: When you know when Bill Pollian is talking, you know
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  Speaker 4: you listen to him. A Hall of Fame GM, among
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  Speaker 4: many others. I mean, Chris Peterson's been on it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so so, but we saw a presentation and there was
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  Speaker 4: very firm statistics that said that it doesn't. Play action
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  Speaker 4: success is the number one thing you can do to
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  Speaker 4: help your passing game is to go out of play action.
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  Speaker 4: But play action success is not determined on how well
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  Speaker 4: you run the football. If that's true, that's good for
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks because right now they're not running their ball
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  Speaker 4: real well. But it seems counterintuitive. I want Greg Cosell
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  Speaker 4: to tell us about your opinion in that regard about
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  Speaker 4: the specific facet play action effectiveness. How important is it
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  Speaker 4: that you are running the ball well to have that
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  Speaker 4: yes or no?
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, it's been proven overtime you that there's really
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  Speaker 5: no correlation whatsoever between running the ball effectively and play
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  Speaker 5: action success. Because think of it this way. If you're
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  Speaker 5: a defense, if you're a linebacker and it's the middle
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  Speaker 5: of the second quarter, no linebacker goes into the huddle
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  Speaker 5: and says, hey, you know what, guys, they've had eight
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  Speaker 5: rushers for eleven yards, so we don't have to worry
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  Speaker 5: about the run game. It doesn't work like that. You know,
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  Speaker 5: defensive players, particularly second and third level players, they're taught
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  Speaker 5: how to react to indicators and cues, and they react
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  Speaker 5: to what they see in front of them. They're not
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  Speaker 5: reacting to whether it's been great or not. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 5: you played with the Cowboys. Obviously they had a great
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  Speaker 5: run game with them at Smith, but their run was
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  Speaker 5: established before they even stepped on the field. They didn't
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  Speaker 5: have to run the ball well in a given game
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  Speaker 5: for play action to work. That was already just built
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  Speaker 5: into how they played football. So there's really no correlation whatsoever.
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  Speaker 5: And I will say this. You know, when Klint Kubiak
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  Speaker 5: was hired, we all talked about the play action and
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  Speaker 5: I would say over the last month, probably the last
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  Speaker 5: four games, we have definitely seen an increase in the
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  Speaker 5: play action element, especially with Donald under center. And to me,
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  Speaker 5: I think play action with the quarterback under center it's
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  Speaker 5: far more effective than play action with the quarterback and
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  Speaker 5: the gun. And Donald has been phenomenal in those four
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  Speaker 5: games with under center, play action and he pushes the
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  Speaker 5: ball down the field. I mean, he said fourteen completions
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  Speaker 5: you in the last four games play action under center.
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  Speaker 5: Fourteen completions for three hundred and eighty three yards. Think
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  Speaker 5: about that for a minute. Yeah, fourteen completions three hundred
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  Speaker 5: and eighty three yards. That is unbelievable. So I think
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  Speaker 5: we're seeing more and more of it. Probably Klint Kubiak
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  Speaker 5: and Donald just had to get comfortable with the whole system.
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  Speaker 5: You now you can go through OTA's trading camp. Until
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  Speaker 5: you play in the games, you don't really know.
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  Speaker 3: All right again, once again you're listening to Greg co
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  Speaker 3: Sale Hugh Mill and it's a boy special edition of
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  Speaker 3: Hardcore Football. We brought it over from Friday and we
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  Speaker 3: had Hugh Won talking with Gregor and the bye week
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  Speaker 3: we did this last year. People loved it. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: get the hell out of the way. Greg was talking
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  Speaker 3: about Sam Donald in the play action game, Hugh fire Away.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Following up on that free the play Action, Greg, you
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  Speaker 4: go back to a year ago when Donald was with
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  Speaker 4: the Vikings. Every way I filtered play Action, you always
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  Speaker 4: came up with this that Jared Goff is number one
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  Speaker 4: in terms of frequency on all the play action numbers,
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  Speaker 4: but Sam Donald was number two in frequency and number
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  Speaker 4: one in terms of passer rating. I mean filtering for
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  Speaker 4: what I think is almost the hardest thing at quarterbacking,
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  Speaker 4: filtering the fall away Greg under center play action and
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  Speaker 4: throwing the ball between the numbers, Sam Donald had a
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  Speaker 4: passer rating of one hundred and forty three. And to
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  Speaker 4: turn your back on the defense. I'm glad you talked
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  Speaker 4: about that because it's happening again this year and here
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  Speaker 4: Donald is number one in the NFL in yards pert tempt,
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  Speaker 4: number one in yards per completion, and number one in
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  Speaker 4: terms of the percentage of his completions that are ten
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  Speaker 4: or more yards. He's pushing the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 4: As you said, let's just kind of put the spotlight
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  Speaker 4: on him. What you think about Donald relative to other
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  Speaker 4: quarterbacks and what he's bringing to Seattle.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the last two years, I've loved the way Donald
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  Speaker 5: has played, and you're one hundred percent right, And I
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  Speaker 5: think that's one reason why they wanted to go get Donald,
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  Speaker 5: because they knew they were going to They hired Kubiak,
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  Speaker 5: and they wanted to play action pass game under center,
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  Speaker 5: which is, as you know, you was a learned to
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  Speaker 5: trade because you know, when you turn your back to
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  Speaker 5: the defense. Not every quarterback fields very good about that
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  Speaker 5: because the defense is not in the same place they
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  Speaker 5: were before you turned your back. So that's a learned
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  Speaker 5: trait and that's hard to do, you know, And I
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  Speaker 5: think that Donald The one thing I've always liked about
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  Speaker 5: Donald these last two years is that he pushes it
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  Speaker 5: down the field of play action. He's not looking to
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  Speaker 5: check it down. He's looking to throw it down the field.
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  Speaker 5: And you made a great point about throwing between the numbers.
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  Speaker 5: You know, that's hard to do in this league. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's different than college football, where the hash marks are wider,
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  Speaker 5: and it seems like, you know, it seems like you
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  Speaker 5: don't have to throw in the middle of the field,
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  Speaker 5: you just work outside in the NFL. The NFL game,
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  Speaker 5: both the run game and the pass game for the
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  Speaker 5: most part, are played in the middle of the field
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  Speaker 5: because of the hash marks, and those are hard throws.
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  Speaker 5: Those window throws versus own coverage between people, or you
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  Speaker 5: have to layer it just over a second level defender.
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  Speaker 5: Those are difficult throws and Donald's made those throws really well. Now,
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  Speaker 5: one final point I think is really important about this offense,
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  Speaker 5: and it allows them to get more predictable looks. This
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  Speaker 5: is a base personnel offense. They've only run eleven personnel
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  Speaker 5: meeting three wide receivers on the field about thirty five
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  Speaker 5: percent of the time. They are a base personnel offense
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  Speaker 5: and by that, I mean they play with multiple tight ends,
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  Speaker 5: two and three tight ends, and Arroyo can line up
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  Speaker 5: anywhere the rookie and Barner is actually an interesting player
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  Speaker 5: as well. But the point is is you tend to
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  Speaker 5: get defenses that play base defense, and so as you
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  Speaker 5: know you from when you played, you know when you
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  Speaker 5: defense is in base you tend to get more predictable fronts,
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  Speaker 5: you tend to get more predictable coverages. The playbook isn't
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  Speaker 5: as extensive in your base defense as it is in
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  Speaker 5: your sub defenses. And I think that that's really helped
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 4: No, it really hasn't. And you made the point about
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  Speaker 4: checkdown percentage. Out of thirty two quarterbacks, Darnald is thirtieth
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  Speaker 4: in his percentage of checking down right, So he does
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  Speaker 4: want to push the ball down the field, and yet
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  Speaker 4: his off target even though he's pushing the ball down
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  Speaker 4: the field.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: The average off target this is coming from the NFL
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  Speaker 4: stat portal is ten point four percent of quarterbacks or
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  Speaker 4: of passes rather our off target, UH, Darnld just six
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  Speaker 4: point three percent. That's second best in the NFL. But
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  Speaker 4: let's shift to the targets you mentioned. Barnard, I want
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  Speaker 4: to get to him. But before we do that, Jackson
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  Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba leading the NFL in I mean, think
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  Speaker 4: of this, There's only two receivers that are over one
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  Speaker 4: hundred yards a game, Poka Nicoa at one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: three and JSN at one hundred and seventeen. Now there's
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  Speaker 4: so much to like. I want to get your take
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  Speaker 4: on what you see from him and the tape before
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  Speaker 4: we talk about maybe a concern there, but just in
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  Speaker 4: a general general thought, what do you see from JSN
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  Speaker 4: and how does he compare to the actual you know,
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  Speaker 4: handful half a dozen of very best receivers in the
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  Speaker 4: NFL today.
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  Speaker 5: I love watching him you because to me, first of all,
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  Speaker 5: I think he understands how to use his vertical stem
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  Speaker 5: to set up corners. And secondly, he's so quick in
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  Speaker 5: and out of breaks at the top of his stem.
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  Speaker 5: I remember watching him in Ohio State and thinking, boy,
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  Speaker 5: this guy is so quick and that has translated to
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  Speaker 5: the league. That's what he looks like. And I think
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  Speaker 5: he's faster than I thought that he was when he
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  Speaker 5: came into the league. I mean, I remember the touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: It was a couple of weeks ago. There was probably
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  Speaker 5: Jacksonville when he ran the about a sixty yard touchdown
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  Speaker 5: and he ran by Newsom like he wasn't there on
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  Speaker 5: the post route to deep post. And you know, he's
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  Speaker 5: just to me the way he sets up corners. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: look what he did this week. You know, he had
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  Speaker 5: a number of matchups against Stingley. Now they didn't end
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  Speaker 5: up playing matchup football the Texans. They had Stingley play
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  Speaker 5: left corner and lasted to play right corner, but he
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: worked against both guys. I mean he ran an outcut
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: I think it was nineteen yards. It was kind of
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: a flood concept against using where he just angled his
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: stem a little bit inside and all it took was
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: for Stingley just to turn his body just a little
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: bit to the inside and then he knew immediately he
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: had the outcut and Stingley couldn't play it. He just
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: has such a great feel for route running. Had to
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: use his stem, had to snap out of his brakes.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: He's a really really good receiver.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and the thing for him when you
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: see him in person, what struck me when I first
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: laid eyes on him is whoa that dude is a
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: low cut guy. You know, relatively short legs, you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: good size at six'. One not, elite but not, short
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: but a low cut. Guy and you, Know i've played
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: with Ten Pro bowl, receivers you, know on the field
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: with The seahawks, watching you, know all the best for
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: a few. Decades i've put my eyes on a lot
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: of wide. Receivers Don schneider says body profiling is a
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: huge part of what we. Do that's a direct. Quote
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: and the body profile FOR jsn with that low center of,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: GRAVITY i, said a low cut guy just allows for
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: that body control when he's speak cutting out just, yeah
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: he can just turn that and then of course HIS
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: iq and his his. HANDS i, mean there's a lot
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: of elite factors in this.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Guy. Yeah and it's funny you say that because he
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: doesn't look six to. One because of, that you, know
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: you almost feel like he's a smaller. Guy but he's.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Not that's the, thing you, know so's He's AND i
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: actually saw him in person a number of years, ago
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: he was still At Ohio, state and he just doesn't
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: look big in, person but he is six to, one you,
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Know and, that's LIKE i, said it's kind of.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Surprising, yeah a couple more minutes With Greg cosell And. Greg,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: now if there is a concern here, Here i've kind
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: OF i, thought wait a, minute he has if you
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: take his targets and he's, seventy he's got seventy. Targets
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: his catch percentage is nineteenth in THE. Nfl, right so
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: there's been fifty, catches so there's been twenty. Incompletions but
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: but the way they are are feeding.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: The ball to.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Him the next closest, Guy Cooper, cup in terms of,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: targets has forty seven point one percent of the targets
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: THE jsn, OKAY i take the top eight teams in
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: terms of the division leaders right, now they average their
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: second most targeted guy is seventy nine point four percent
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of their most targeted. Guy and again The seahawks are
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: way at forty seven point one, percent almost less than
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: half the number three. Guy the average is sixty three
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: percent of the eight division. Leaders the third, guy which
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: is Aj, barner he has thirty one percent of the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: targets that you see FROM. Jsn the average for the
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: division leaders is sixty three. Percent going back to the
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: number two guys over the Last Super bowl on winners
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: that this number two guy averages a little over eighty
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: percent of the top guy and so for for the
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: next closest, Guy cup to be at only seven percent
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: of the targets THAT jsn is. Seeing is that something
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: where is that like your cowboys riding for a fall
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: type of a concern or just what do you think
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: about the imbalance in that?
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: REGARD i think that that's somewhat camouflaged and compensated for
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: by their use of base, personnel BECAUSE i think it's
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: harder for teams to do a lot of different things
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: defensively if they're in their base. Defense so is that
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: something they probably would like to work on and change
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: a little? Bit? Probably BUT i would think that right
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: now they don't view, that you as a big issue
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: because you know the thing About smith And jigba AND
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: i talked about this With ian when the trade when
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: they ended up Getting, cup and right away a lot
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: of people immediately, said, oh, well what are they? Doing
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: they got two slot. Receivers, well first of All smith
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: and jig but they knew what he was and he's
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: lined up about eighty percent of his routes on the,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: outside you, know not in the, slot because they knew
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: he could do. That So i'm curious to see if that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Changes but you, KNOW i don't think they're going to
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: dramatically change how much they play at a base personnel
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: with multiple tight, ends BECAUSE i think that's been really
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: successful for them and they're going to make teams defend.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: That my last question for we make a real last
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: one because we don't want to lose time here to
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: you fire, AWAY i don't get yeah, right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah fireway three two. One my last question For.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Greg you Mentioned barnard hit on him, quickly and Then
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: i'm going to leave it open end at any other
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: personnel or schematic things that you see From seattle that
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: either impress you or if there's a concern if you're
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: A sea ok, fan what you see from this.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Offense, well the guy That i'm most intrigued is the
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: season progresses Is, arroyo the rookie tight end From, miami
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: BECAUSE i think that he has a vertical dimension to his.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Game he can stretch it. OUT i think he's got
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: the ability to be what we, called you, know the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: b on the back side of, trips where he's the
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: single receiver to the short side of the field and
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: you can put three wide outs to the wide side
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: of the field and that can dictate to the quarterback
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: pre snap. Exactly So i'm really anxious to see you
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: how they deploy You arroyo as the season progresses and
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: as he continues to develop in the.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Offense, Well i'll tell You, Ian greg AND i have
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: had these kind of conversations on the, phone just kind
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: of talking shop and talking. BALL i Think greg we
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: have a kinship and then we just we just can't get, enough,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: right just love talking, ball and so we've had these
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: type Of we've had these discussions over the. Phone tried
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: to bring a little bit of that to the station here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Today And greg can't thank you. Enough awesome. Stuff as,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: always it's never not awesome and and certainly appreciate your
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: time spending with us and giving your thoughts on the sea.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Ours, OH i loved. You it's always great talking with.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: You.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah you, Guys i'll just say. This we did this
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: last year in The seahawk bye. Week we came up
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: with the idea to have these two guys just go
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: for it and go and let you kind of take it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Over AND, i as a football, FAN i love. IT
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: i learned from both of you guys every WEEK i
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: learned From greg Every. FRIDAY i learn from you Every
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: monday WHEN i have you. On and you, know football
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: to me is more enjoyable when you kind of have
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a better understanding what's going. On and you guys do
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: both a great job of articulating how it. Works AND
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: i love having you guys. ON i love the fact
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you're both part of my show. Man it makes, ME i,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: mean it's you add to what we do in a
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: LEVEL i can't even. Express so thanks both of you
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: guys for coming. On we appreciate. It, Greg greg will
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: talk to you On friday before The hawks commanders And
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: hugh will talk to you a week for today and my,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: friend thank you so much.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Much there you. Go, thanks, guys really appreciate.
• 23:37
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• 23:57
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• 24:00
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• 24:02
  Speaker 3: we previews A seahawk game and you're saying to yourself
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: in there's No seahawk game this, Weekend i'm, saying you're,
• 24:06
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  Speaker 3: Fantastic greg Co cell is here and last year during
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the bye, WEEK i had, this this. BRAINSTORM i don't
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: come up with a lot of good, Ideas, greg BUT
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: i THOUGHT i had one last. Year it, Works so,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: well we're gonna do it. Again can we bring our
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Friend Hugh millen in for a conversation? Today how does that? Sound?
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well finally get some intelligent conversation. Here then about The.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Seahawks so, Yeah greak And Green.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Newland you're hitting your lines, Already, greg, Good you're.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Right you's got to scrap here all, weekend you, know you,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: know just.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Tip your, server try the, veal have some. Fun, Okay,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: uh here's what we're gonna. Do we're gonna spend AND
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: i know it's gonna. Take we'll spend some time on. This,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: today we're gonna talk just kind of defense and, all
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: and what we kind of. Liked WHAT i like doing
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: is Let hugh kind of take over sometimes and he
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And greg talk and THEN i just sit back and
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you me all the. Listeners we learned something in general.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Terms we're gonna do part of a defense and then
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: part of an, offense And hugh all kind of toss
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: it to you with what you want to go with
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: with With, greg But i'll just say this that you
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: told us you When mike McDonald was, hired he thought
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: he was maybe the best defensive mind or one of
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the best defensive minds you've seen in a. While we're
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: really seeing that come to fruition this. Season to, You
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: i'll turn it over to you And. Greg your thoughts
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: on the defense so far five game or seven games
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: into the.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Season, YEAH i want.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: To Get greg's take because he's you, know he looks
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: at all thirty two, teams so he can be in
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: many ways more objective than the rest of. Us but But,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: greg let's just start with the rush. DEFENSE i think
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: there's five parts of. Football how you pass the, ball
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: how you run, it how you defend the, pass how
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: you defend the, run and then special TEAMS i think
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: are all about a fifth AND i think that the,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: best If i'm right on, that my contention would be
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: the rush defense is the best component of C adams football.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Team they're number one in THE nfl in rushing yards
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: per game around allowed it at just under ninety six
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: or excuse, me seventy. Six seventy six rushing yards per
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: temp their. Second but in RUSH epa there's expected points
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: that's emerging as a high correlation, statistic they're.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: By far number one in THE.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Nfl just kind of what's your take when you watch
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: the tape about how they stopped the?
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: Run, well, ACTUALLY i really love the way certain players
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: have really. DEVELOPED i, mean to, me the one player
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: that really stands, out, guys is Is Byron. Murphy you,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: know he was the number one pick last, year the
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: second defensive player chosen in the. Draft struggled in his
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: rookie season with, injuries you, know couldn't play every single.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Week and just WHEN i watch him now on film
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: taking on double, TEAMS i, mean there was a play
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: this week and it just WHEN i noticed, IT i
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: actually called in some of the guys from my matchup
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: show because the way he was able just to hold
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: his ground and therefore maintain his gap integrity when he
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: was being double team by probably seven hundred tounds of offensive,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: LINE i thought was just. Incredible AND i think you're
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: seeing all the traits that he brings to the table
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: BECAUSE i obviously evaluated him in detail coming out Of
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: texas probably for two, years AND i think he's been
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: a major force we know About. Williams williams is just
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: a very versatile. Player you, know he can line up
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: AT d n he can line up AT d. Tackle
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: and clearly they made the change at. Linebacker what was
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: that about three weeks? Ago where Now Drake thomas is
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: now the starter and instead Of Night AND i think
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: you're dealing with a guy that's just got more quickness
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: to him or athleticism to. HIM i think he has
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: a quicker. Trigger SO i think that these are the
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: things that stand out to.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Me.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: You i'm sure there's other things that have stood out
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: to you as.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Well, Yeah i'd like to get your take on let's
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: talk About Byron murphy there for a, second because you,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: know here's a guy that At texas was primarily a
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: three tech right he played.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Nose, tackle but primarily it was a three.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Tech but At, Seattle Leonard williams is your three, tech, Right,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: so So Byer murphy having to play the shade the one,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: tech you, know guys in the a gap between the
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: center and the guard and really over the center, shoulder
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: that that's not maybe his ideal. Spot but WHEN i
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: watch how The seahawks build a, wall you, know it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: it's like they play a gap and a.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Half, greg you, know the the idea of a single.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Gap, okay we just want to penetrate and get up
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: into and be, disruptive and then there's the two. Gap all,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: right let's just play center cut on the offensive lineman
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: be able to react to either. Gap The seahawks they
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: build that wall by playing a gap and a. Half
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: they get into the, gap but the main contact with
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: the offensive lineman and they're in a position to still
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: throw the lineman and get into the other. Gap it
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: takes a lot of strength to do, that but when
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: you have everybody doing, it man that they are really
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: building the, wall forcing running backs to.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Spill talk About.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Murphy in that, regard and then just the overall scheme
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: that you see as it compares to the thirty one
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: other teams and how they defend the.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Run, YEAH i, mean you, KNOW i don't know schematically
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: they're you, know there's not as you, know you there's
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: not one hundred ways to play your defensive. Front but
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: that gap in a half is a very common way
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: teams want to play, now just because you, know in
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: a sense it requires one less player to be able
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: to cover all the gaps and that allows you to
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: do more with your pass, defense and particularly the way
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: they play pass, defense WHICH i think we need to
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: talk about in detail as, well because What mike McDonald
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: does they ARE i find. Phenomenal but, anyway you, Know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: murphy even though he's not a pure three, technique he's
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: still lining up essentially in a, gap and that's the
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: way he plays best because he has great initial quickness
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: off the, Ball so even if he's not just penetrating a,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: gap he at least has explosion off the ball and
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: can use because he's so low cut to the, ground
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: with such a low center of, gravity he can still
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: be explosive and use that strength and be a. Factor
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: so you, KNOW i think he to, ME i GUESS
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: i would, say you, know based on my, study and
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: you might go through it a little more in, detail
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: you but in my, STUDY i think that he's a
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: major difference from a year ago in what they run
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: defenses this year because he's now playing at a really high.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Level, YEAH i think his, RECOGNITION i think his. STRENGTH
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: i think he's adopted to the McDonald the gap and a,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: half the idea that he's he's more in the middle
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: of the. Defense let's let's shift you you touch on
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: the pass. Defense touch on some. Statistics opponent. Attempts The
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: seaks are thirty so they're seeing a lot of pass,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: attempts but passing yards per attempt The seaks are fifth
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: best in the. League yards per completion their third, Best
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: so there's things that are showing. Up and then also
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: obviously this relates to pass. Defense they're number one in
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: hurries at sixteen point four presser percentage they're number, Four
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: so a lot of good things happening in the past.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Defense what do you see that give that catches your?
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Eye And Greg cosel's with us Comparing seattle to the
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: other thirty one.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Teams, well a couple of things really stand out to.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Me first of, all this team plays nickel at a
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: higher percentage than any team in the, league and obviously
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: With nick m And Warri, back WHO i thought was
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: the best safety prospect in the. Draft he is an
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: incredibly versatile. Player AND i don't know If mike McDonald
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: sees him similarly To Kyle, hamilton who he had In,
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: baltimore BUT i see him that, way and my guess
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: is that the coach does somewhat as. Well the other
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: THING i would say is what's really stood out is
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: the way they've made a change on the back. End
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: josh job is now clearly the boundary. Corner he was
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: not the boundary corner a year, ago when he was
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: essentially their nickel who played on the, outside and now
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: he's seen as their best outside, corner AND i think
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: he's played that. Way and the other thing that really
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: stands out to, me and this is WHAT i love
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: about watching tape and about seeing the way guys. Coach
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: and it's why SOMETIMES i WISH i just had the
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: batphone and can call up the coach While i'm watching,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: tape you, know because you go back two weeks you
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: and they Play, jacksonville, okay and in that game they
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: rarely ever Blitzed. OKAY i think they rushed five or
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: more on five Of lawrence's, dropbacks and they had an
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: unbelievable four man d line pass rush with a very
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: high pressure rate as you. Remember but then this week
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: they played The Houston texans and they amp up the.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Pressure this was a big pressure week in terms of.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Blitz and, see to, ME i always love, it not
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  Speaker 5: That Mike mike McDonald needs me to, say you, know
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: whether he's good or bad at. Something believe, me you
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  Speaker 5: know there's a lot more THAN i. Do BUT i
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: love that he's not beholden to just one way of
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: playing every week like this is what we, do no matter,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: what you, know he changes up what he does based
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: on his sense of the oppoe. It he can come
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  Speaker 5: up with different tactics and different schematics AND i just,
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  Speaker 5: think to, me that's just a sign of really good.
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  Speaker 4: Coaching, YEAH i couldn't agree. More and to put some
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: numbers to that five man. Rushes coming into the, Game
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: mike McDonald had just averaged five and a half per
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: game Against houston thirteen thirteen, dropbacks produced two sacks on
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: those five man, rushes AND. Cj stroud was seven eleven
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: sixty two yards and a seventy nine sub eighty passer
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  Speaker 4: rating and then the six man rush Greg all, Season
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  Speaker 4: mike McDonald only four six man, rushes two Against, arizona
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  Speaker 4: two Against New.
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  Speaker 1: Orleans Against houston.
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  Speaker 4: He had Five stroud goes one for five for five
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  Speaker 4: yards and an interception and a rating of, zero which
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: is actually worse than if you just threw the ball
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  Speaker 4: on the ground because you get a thirty nine because
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: he didn't throw an. Interception so there's some numbers to.
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  Speaker 4: That what about the personnel that might have impressed do
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: you in? That you Mentioned Emon worriy' let's touch on
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: that because because we've only seen five plays With seattle
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: With Emon worry and With witherspoon both, Healthy witherspoon has
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: been the.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Nickel now you Project Emon worry to be the.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Nickel you know we're gonna see Probably spoon more outside
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  Speaker 4: or more dime like like, like.
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  Speaker 5: What are you going to be a really interesting, question
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Right and Because Emmon worry to, ME i, mean is
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: that kind of? PLAYER i, mean because Obviously love's going
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: to be, Back bryant's a solid. Safety just a quick.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: ASIDE i also think it's a sign a really good,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: coaching when you put your backups in Like okada and
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: he plays well for a couple of, weeks you, KNOW
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  Speaker 5: i think that's a good sign of how you prepare
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: guys and how they when they get the, opportunity they play.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Well but just getting back to the original, Point i'm
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: really curious to see what they do When witherspoon is,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: back because obviously he's been the slot corner when they
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: go nickel and em and. Worry that's kind of what he.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: IS i, mean he's sort of that that kind of
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  Speaker 5: movable chess piece on the, board AND i think he's
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: really good at. That so the question, becomes you, KNOW
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: i don't know what THEY i, know there's probably been
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: a lot of talk On i'm not out. There you, Know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: ian you could probably addressed this far better THAN. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: i don't know if there's talk, about you, Know woolen
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: possibly being traded BECAUSE i Think job has clearly been
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: their number one corner for most of their, season and,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: yeah you, Know witherspoon stay on the. OUTSIDE i personally
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: would not like to see him And ory come off the.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: FIELD i don't know what the coaching staff, thinks BUT
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: i think he's such a unique player that can do
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: multiple things for. YOU i don't think you want him
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: playing twenty snaps a.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Game, yeah Just i'll jump, in by the, way if you're,
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  Speaker 3: listen just tuning in right, now That's Greg. Cosel you Know.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Greg On fridays at this, time That's. Humillan he's he's
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: with us. Today we did this last year in The
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: seahawk bye. Week and trust, Me i'm just getting the
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: hell out of the way BECAUSE i love listen to
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: these two guys talk. Football, man this is awesome for
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: me to answer Question. GREG i think there has been
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that conversation out. There you, know we've talked about it
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: amongst the media out there at the facility and so.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Forth THEY i think what they saw In hugh you
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: know this as well AS i. Do LIKE i think
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: what they saw when all of a sudden they lost
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a couple of guys When wolan was out and they're
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: down to The pritchett world and stuff like, that it
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: got a little, dicey and So i'm not. SURE i
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: think depth at corner might be something that they'd cherish
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: more than a fourth or fifth or sixth round draft.
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  Speaker 4: Pick, Yeah, greg you, KNOW i Think wolan had a
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: pretty good, GAME i thought Against. HOUSTON i think this
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: ceiling is, high his floor is. Low the gap, between you,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: KNOW i think there's an inconsistency. Issue but you, know
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: there's not a lot of guys walking around in a
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: mall that can step on AN nfl field and shadow you,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: KNOW nfl wide, Receivers SO i think they may. Be you,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: KNOW i don't think That wolan is McDonald's. STYLE i
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: don't think he's you, KNOW i don't think he's gritty
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: and tough the way he'd like. Him but he's a
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: hell of an, athlete you. KNOW i JUST i think
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: you're right to be curious about. That BUT i want
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: to hit you up back on a follow up on
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: him and warr because you said he was your favorite
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: safety coming Out Kyle, hamilton just as a, reminder the
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: first Team All pro safety for The Baltimore. Ravens obviously
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: That mike McDonald coach In. Baltimore you had an expectation
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  Speaker 4: when you watch on his tape At South. Carolina now
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: you're seeing him on the field for a few weeks
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: he'd been. Injured let's really get granule On nick amm
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: and worry what you see how he differs From Kyle,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: hamilton how he may be like or unlike what you
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: expected when you watch the tape coming out of.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: College, well the one thing he's not doing In, seattle
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  Speaker 5: which he did At South carolina was play on the back,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: end WHICH i think he's capable of as. Well but
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: he's mostly been used as a you, know depending on
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: what the offensive formation is that down in distance the field,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: location he's either been in the, box he's been an
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: overhang player just outside the, box or he's lined up
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: over the slot. Receiver so he's essentially lined up in
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: those three. Areas they move him around a. Bit you,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: KNOW i guess it's funny talking about what happens When
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: witherspoon comes. Back it raises the. Question you, know they've
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: not been a dime defense in pure pass. Situations they've
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: only played sixteen snaps of dime all season. Long they're a,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: high high percentage nickel defense at about eighty eight. Percent the,
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: question you, is When witherspoon comes, back do they perhaps
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: become more of a dime defense and Play you, Know
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: jones obviously would be the linebacker that would stay on
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: the field because he's kind of a do it all
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: guy as. Well but maybe that's the. ANSWER i don't. Know,
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  Speaker 5: again that's up to the. Coach but you, know LIKE i,
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  Speaker 5: SAID i don't feel And witherspoon is a really good player,
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  Speaker 5: too who brings a, swagger a toughness and competitiveness to your,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: defense and you want him out. There he's just a
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: good football. Player BUT i just don't believe you want
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: to take em And warry off the field for meaningful, Snaps.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: No, Doubt greg cosel with us And, GREG i Think
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Imon warry is just a star in the, makings just a,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: big beautiful after, all very, fluid the acceleration in that sword,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: area you, know twelve. Yards his tackling has been a.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: LEAD i think his recognition is getting better and. Better
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: you saw that deflected play where he was the curral
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: defender on the back. Side he jumps with his, length
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: he has. Recognition he hits a skid route coming from
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: the opposite side on a big pass.
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  Speaker 1: BREAKUP i love. That let's close on the.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Defense with a final thought of concern THAT i have
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: and it's reflected in these numbers the pressure rate for The.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Seahawks this is their defense against, Quarterback their number two
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: in THE nfl in quarters one to, two and. Three,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: however in quarter number, four their twenty second The Houston Houston,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: texans they had fourteen drives in the. Game their longest
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: two drives were the last two drives Against Tampa bay
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  Speaker 4: three drives of seventy plus yards all in the second
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: half Against arizona two touchdown drives of seventy three and
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: fifty seven yards in the fourth, quarter the fourth down
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: collapsing in the forty nine ers that they have consistently
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: been a very sub average, defense you, know particularly in
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: past defense in the fourth, Quarter what do you see
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  Speaker 4: in terms of those, PRESSURES i think Maybe Derek hall
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: just to get the, rotation you, know maybe missing one
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: guy because maybe they're getting gas because they play it
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: such a high energy before you see on you see the,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: tape you see a lot of.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Teams what are you seeing in that?
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Regard, well WHAT i would say is, THIS i would
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: say that for the most, part none of their edge
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: rushers AND i don't think they're bad, players you by any.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Means it's not as if they're bad, players BUT i
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: don't think they have that one, guy you, KNOW i
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: go back To Bill walsh talking, about you, know the
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: key to defense is pass rush in the fourth, quarter
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: and you just hit on a really important. POINT i
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: don't think they have that one guy that you necessarily
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: have to account for as an offense where you, say,
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: hey we better block. Him you might mean we have
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: to chip, him we might have to double team. HIM
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  Speaker 5: i don't think they have that one guy on the
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: edge that has stepped forward at this point to be
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: that guy that you have to deal with in that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Way SO i think there's some guys that have some good,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: traits And Derek hall has been out AND i don't
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: know if he can develop into that. Guy but you,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: KNOW i think up to this, Point nuuosu and And
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: mafi have not necessarily shown that they're that. Guy they're
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: not bad, players BUT i don't think they've shown that
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: they're the guy you have to account for by you,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: know from a defensive, perspective excuse, me from an offensive.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Perspective, yeah, Agreed and we spent a lot of time
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: in the summer talking, about, hey they don't have, that you,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: know let's use a baseball term aircraft carry in the
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: middle of the lineup at defensive. End but BUT i,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: thought you, know getting back to McDonald's coaching acumen coming
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: off of that brutal game against Against Tampa. BAY i,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: mean it's like their, defense you, know every other game
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: they look Like Megan. Fox and they had one week
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: where they looked Like rosie. O'Donnell you. Know you, know
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: so there's a lot of THINGS i have not been
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: able to U, yeah you, know, hey just want to
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: keep make sure that you're paying. Attention but he got,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: me get, Right but but just always looks Like Megan,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: fox by the. Way but, yes but but the, uh
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: let's let's talk about the scheme adjustments we talked. About
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: there was a lot more pressure against The texans the
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: week before Against. Jacksonville seven sacks Against Trevor, lawrence a
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: lot of, stunts AND i Thought DeMarcus, lawrence as we're
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: talking about, inns that was like the Fastest i'd seen
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: him on tape in a long. Time he looked, LIKE
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: i don't, KNOW i, SAID i don't know if he's
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: playing in front of his, home you, know his high,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: school hometown crowd or whatever it. Was SO i thought
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: all those, stunts the outside, stunts the inside stunts they
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: schemed up to Get mike McDonald should, say schemed up
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: to get a lot of sacks, there and that's where
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: the pass rush really came alive a lot due to
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: just the.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Scheming AND i think that's the critical. PIECE i thought
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: they had a high volume stunt game versus The, texans
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: and we'll see if they continued to do, that and
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: THEN i think it's a matter of pressure scheming. UP i,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: mean you talk about the fourth, quarter and, again obviously
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: there is a delineation point between third and fourth. Quarter
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: but look what they did on third and ten with
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: The okada. Sack the late in the third quarter of
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: this past, week it was a six man, front it
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: became a five man overload. Pressure, obviously the way they
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: chose to the way The texans chose to pass, Protect
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: okata ended up being a free hitter because of the,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: way you, know the overload. Concept so the question, is
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: do you start doing more of those? Things do you
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: start trying to create more overload pressure? Concepts understanding our
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: teams pass?
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Protect all, right we gotta jump in here real quick
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: and take you know what we gotta. Do we're gonna do.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: This we're gonna carry this thing over To monday because
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: we got to talk about the. Offense all. Right we're
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: gonna carry this thing over To. Monday so here's the.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Deal hugh was on your segment, Today, Greg, Greg you're
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: gonna be In hughes segment On monday On Hardcore. Football
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: does that sound?
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Okay sound's okay to me