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S4 104. Josh Peck – New Age Deception, Spirit Realm & Edification · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hello folks. This is Princess.
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  right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an end
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  around between this whole corrupt informational system,
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  spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
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  and these archons in the high places.
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  Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control, because
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  we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
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  You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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  the Kingdom of Darkness. Welcome back to the Millennial
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  Mustard Seed Podcast. I'm your host, Rod and thank you
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  for being here with me for another awesome episode.
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  I am joined by the one and only Josh Pak Man.
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  He's written a ton of books, produced films.
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  He has tons of audio interviews and collaborations out in the
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  Airways with some of the most profound men and women in the
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  fringe Christian space. Literally in Josh's own words,
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  he highly regards this interview has one for the records feeling
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  refreshed and encouraged and we go a lot of different places.
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  We talk about new age to Christ. His testimony involves an
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  encounter with LA Marzulli, epic timing and how his heroes became
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  his brothers and friends and Co workers and he also shares about
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  his astral projection experience that ended the journey of new
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  age and launched him back into the arms and the will of the
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  Lord Jesus Christ. We talk a little bit about near
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  death encounters and this false experience that we believe a lot
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  of people have testimonies on that could just be a bubble
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  realm of experience where the enemy is trying to deceive
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  people with this universal one ISM of we all go to heaven no
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  matter what. It doesn't matter.
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  We yeah, there's some problems with that, especially if you're
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  a Bible person. There's one way, a tight and
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  narrow path. But listen, we also get into
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  Josh's transition from Sky Watch TV and to the mystery of
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  following God into the unknown and how that changes everything.
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  I was deeply edified and encouraged, as well as Josh on
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  this conversation. The sharpening that took place,
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  organic information just flowing, and the experiences.
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  Pod shop talk. Behind the scenes, but sharing
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  personal stories and just experiences and glorifying God
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  much more. OK, I'm not going to waste any
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  more time. I am ready to jump into this
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  episode. With Josh Peck.
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  Are you guys ready? Let's go.
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  Let's go. Hi, I am Josh Peck and welcome
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  to the Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast.
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  All right, Josh, it is an honor to be with you, man.
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  Been looking forward to this. Yeah, I've been looking forward
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  to this conversation and you've got a lot going on and you've
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  been in this space for a long time.
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  You've laid quite a foundation, so it really is an honor to have
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  you here on the podcast. Well, thank you.
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  It means a lot and I'm I'm happy to be here again.
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  You know we we've been trying to plan this for maybe like a year
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  or something at this point and and it's largely it's been it's
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  been my fault I I've just been all over the place and it's been
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  tough scheduling things but things are a little bit more
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  stable kind of calming down now. So it's a good time to do this
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  and I got to tell you too I haven't done like just the
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  traditional audio only podcast in years.
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  So I'm really excited about this.
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  This is like getting back to my roots.
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  This is awesome. Yeah.
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  This is kind of the roots in a way and I get a lot of feedback
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  from people saying like, man, I love having this audio only
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  option because a lot of people are doing YouTube, which is
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  great. Like, we love the fact that
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  video is being heavily incorporated into, you know, I
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  don't even want to call it the fringe Christian space because
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  it seems like Christianity is coming back to the root it was
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  intended to be at. But.
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  But people like the audio, they're going for the hike, you
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  know, they're working out at the gym or they're working laying
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  blocked during the week driving the truck.
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  I mean, I get this kind of feedback where people were like,
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  man, I love the audio stuff because I can keep my hands
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  moving and they don't have to watch a screen and but I can get
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  educated and edified and and really, you know, I've kind of
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  stayed in this traditional podcasting space intentionally
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  because you know, factory worker for 10 years and it's like I I
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  would listen to podcasts at work.
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  So it really reaches that that niche group of people there.
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  Man, that's awesome. And you definitely got the voice
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  for it. I mean you you like.
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  You might only be beaten out by maybe Doctor Michael Lake in in
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  Podcast Voices, but but man. That's awesome.
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  Yeah, you got an excellent voice for it.
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  Thank you, man. Really humbling.
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  And that's awesome. I I hated my voice when I first
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  heard it. I actually had Basil on a couple
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  episodes ago from Canary and we were, you know, kind of going
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  back and forth. And he's like, yeah, the first
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  time I heard my voice, he's like, it was like nails on a
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  chalkboard. And I'm like, bro, I couldn't
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  listen to myself for the first six months when I started
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  podcasting. Yeah, same here.
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  Yeah, same here. It's, it's, it's funny.
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  I think everybody has that reaction because if you think
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  about it, it's totally unnatural to to hear our voices like that.
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  I mean, it would it's it's it's almost like if you were to see
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  yourself like like as a person, like the way, like not just
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  reflection, but like as a person, like in the world, it
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  would totally freak you out. Well, I mean, I guess some
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  people have identical twins, so maybe some people are used to
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  that. But yeah, I think it takes a
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  while getting used to because it's totally an unnatural way to
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  hear ourselves. But it's really that's funny.
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  It's interesting even to think on that wavelength, because
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  we're so used to observing and taking in information around us
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  about everything but ourselves, yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, man, I believe laughter is
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  medicine. And just starting this thing
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  off, it just feels like we're old friends, man.
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  It feels like I'm connecting with you again, even though this
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  is the first time we've talked. Yeah, Amen.
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  Same here. And I just want to, you know,
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  show some honor where it is due because you have laid a
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  foundation. You've done works with some of
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  the greatest minds in this this realm of bringing truth,
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  exposing truth and just lining up information that's necessary
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  for all of the body to understand.
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  It makes me think where the scripture talks about when one
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  of us are affected by something. All of us feel the ripple of
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  that you know And so for you and and and other great names like,
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  you know Mike Heiser and Doctor Thomas Horn and Derek Gilbert
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  and LA Marzulli, the Doctor Laura Sanger.
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  There's a bunch of people that have went out and laid these
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  foundations so that we as as people as.
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  I mean I'm a podcast producer but I'm also a listener of
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  podcasts and to be able to delve into that information and pray
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  through it and and let it resonate.
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  I don't think we quite understand the significance of
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  it. Like like, actually what that is
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  doing, Like each person who listens, that's a person who's
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  downloading and listening to this and digesting this content
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  and that makes it really personable.
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  When we start to go, 'cause, you know, some people are all, oh,
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  big number, good little number, no good.
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  But it's every single person who hears this, it it, it's gonna
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  help encourage them to take the Bible seriously, take their
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  relationship and walk seriously. And this is a big deal, man.
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  It really is what what you're doing and and myself and many
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  others. That's such a good outlook.
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  You know, I remember when I was first starting out, like I I had
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  to teach myself to have that outlook because I knew it was
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  right. But when you're when, especially
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  when you're first starting out and you get, you know, 3 views,
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  like 4 views, it's it's like, man, I put so much work into
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  this and it's it's only getting 3 or 4 views.
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  But then you you got to think, you know it's more than just
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  that number on the screen. That's three or four individuals
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  that you don't know. I mean you could have changed
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  their entire life. What one of one of the craziest
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  stories that I ever heard was when when Prince died, they
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  actually found a Steve Quayle book among his things.
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  Yes, yes, I heard that. Yeah, it's like you you never
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  know your your, you never know your outreach years ago, Robert
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  Downey Junior mentioned Chuck Missler on The Daily Show.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  I mean you just, you never know, like the outreach that you have,
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  that that that those three or four people, you you might, you
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  might, you might have just given them the most important
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  information they ever heard. You might have got them saved,
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  you know? And wouldn't it be worth it if
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  it was just one person my entire life, You know, all, all of my
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  work, all of my books. If I got one person saved, that
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  would be worth it. Because I know if I was the one
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  that got saved from something like that, it would be worth it
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  to me. So that that's such a good
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  outlook and that's that's really refreshing to hear.
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  Man, that's awesome. That is so cool.
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  And then that's one of the highlights.
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  You just said a couple keywords right there.
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  Like just one more person that God has given me.
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  The humility. Like this podcast is not a huge
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  podcast by any means. You know we have very humble
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  beginnings and we maintain the humility throughout every
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  episode that gets released regardless of how far it goes.
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  But, but the keywords, you said there was one more person.
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  Because my reflection in this is like I was just one person for
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  Canary Cry radio in 2017. When I understood through
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  listening to them and the the internal tugging that's going on
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  where I'm going. Nobody else is talking about
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  this that I was aware of at the time.
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  And I really felt like if this is true, this is important.
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  We need to be bold and courageous but also meek and
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  have this humility where it's like let's reintroduce, you know
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  the calling and courageous being unashamed back to our our
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  brethren. And I remember like literally
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  only getting one or two downloads and and maintaining
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  that feeling. Now you know when you get a
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  couple 100 or a couple thousand, you know, per episode, it's it's
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  keeping that level headed mind where it's like, Lord, do you
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  approve of this message? Am I stirring up the body for
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  the right thing. There's nothing that's going to
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  be better than to hear well done my good and faithful servant at
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  the end of this life that is the ultimate right.
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  And So what we present and and how it affects people.
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  See God is mysterious and he works in strange ways.
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  Doctor Chuck Missler. Oh, my goodness, man, He was my
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  dream interview. The late Doctor Chuck Missler.
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  I mean, really, that was the guy that gave me a license to digest
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  the weird stuff in the Bible, you know, back back in the day.
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  And just we don't understand the ripple effect.
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  So I just love you know, hearing your heart on that and just kind
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  of bouncing that idea back, you know to the listeners ears here
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  that we don't know how we're going to affect one person.
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  You know, for people that are hanging out with their family
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  over the holidays this year, you could just mention a couple
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  things. And and we can't gauge it based
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  on how the physical reaction is at the time because you could
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  plant a seed and they could walk away and be like what was what
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  was Josh talking about at Christmas dinner, you know, And
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  maybe they flipped the Bible open or maybe they inquired the
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  Lord and it's all it's all good from there.
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  Yeah, that's right. I mean, and and I remember
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  because I was that person, you know, this was years ago, but I
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  I was, I was in a terrible place in my life.
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  Like I I had, it's a long story but I had just come out a new
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  age and I was just lost. And I I knew I knew that I, you
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  know I was raised in the church and stuff but I I I wasn't you
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  know, I mean I was. I was you know I don't believe
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  that I was unsaved. I was saved but I wasn't really
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  living for Christ. So it was really easy for the
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  enemy to deceive me and I got into new age stuff and
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  eventually found out that that is like a horrible path to go.
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  So I I gave up all my new age stuff and and rededicated my
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  life to Jesus. But I prayed and I said you know
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  I I need I don't know where to go like I don't know what to do.
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  I I don't know what am I supposed to be learning and I
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  just happened to flip on the TV. This was when TiVo was still a
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  thing. Oh, wow.
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  Yes, this is a while ago, but I just happened to flip on the TV
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  and I I I landed on a channel of the show I never heard of at the
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  time, which is funny now because it's such a popular show, but it
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  it's Supernatural. With Sid Roth.
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  I'd never heard of it. And then he had on this guest
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  that I never heard of before, LA Marzulli, which is funny because
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  he and I are like really good friends now.
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  But but he started just talking about Genesis 6 and giants and
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  Nephilim. This was the first time I ever
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  heard of this and how it connects with like the all the
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  aliens stuff and when I was a kid like that the the question
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  of aliens burned in my brain like I loved sci-fi still do I
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  loved anything happened to do with aliens and I I just like
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  the wonder of it like just fascinated me and I I never was
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  given a biblical answer to how to deal with that like are are
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  aliens real? Is it possible I was just kind
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  of told no, that's all demons and you know, yeah, there's
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  there's truth there, but but it's it's not a very satisfying
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  answer for, you know, somebody who's 8 years old and really,
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  really curious And so, so you know, here, here I am, you know,
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  like at this time, like an adult.
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  And I I'm finally getting the answers to the questions that I
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  had since I was a kid. Questions that New Age did not
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  answer. And I mean they have answers for
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  it but they they're they're really wishy washy and they're
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  not really solid. They're not rooted at anything.
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  It's just kind of like well it's whatever you feel and you know
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  all the space brother nonsense. And so I mean here in this in
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  this 20 minute program is like 20-30 minute program.
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  LA is just laying out all the stuff that I've been wondering
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  my whole life. And then I was hooked.
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  Like I was in and like, I I like I've I've now gotten the chance
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  to tell him that story multiple times.
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  Like we've shared stages together and stuff, and we've
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  worked together on a lot of projects.
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  Like I I actually just helped him edit one of his upcoming UFO
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  documentaries, which was such a huge honor for me because you
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  know, the guy's my hero. And from that day I I realized,
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  wow, there really is more to the Bible because I never heard of
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  the giants, never heard of Nephilim.
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  I was brought up in a church that was, you know, it was it
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  was loosely KJV, New Testament only.
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  I mean they they would get into Old Testament, but they treated
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  it as just, yeah, we don't really need to know it.
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  It's it's not that important. I mean they they didn't say it
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  like that. But that was just kind of the
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  attitude. It was more about like, you
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  know, how how to live your life and you know how to be a good
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  person, how to please God. And there was a lot of, you
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  know, respect to God and stuff and but it, you know, it didn't
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  really drill into the like the weird stuff that I I was
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  interested in and I'm not knocking that church.
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  They're the ones that that introduced me to Jesus in the
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  1st place I I I was brought up in that church.
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  And so I I hope it doesn't come off that I'm saying anything
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  bad. Every church is different.
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  Like I went to like some charismatic churches I didn't
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  like, some Baptist churches I didn't like.
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  And then I went to some charismatic churches I loved and
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  Baptist churches that I loved. So every church is a little
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  different and they speak to different people.
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  But but for me, I I had realized that that that just wasn't the
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  church for me. I stopped going when I was 12.
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  But but so so anyway, so yeah, then I was.
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  So I was watching this show and I I tivoed it.
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  I recorded it because my wife was at work.
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  I was on disability at the time. I wasn't working.
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  My wife had to bring in all the money for us.
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  It was it was just a terrible time.
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  We had our first daughter, Jackie.
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  She was only like a year old man.
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  That was a long time ago because she just turned 12.
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  But wow. Yeah, so.
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  Yeah, she she so she came home and before this we we had kind
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  of prayed together and stuff. But she, you know we we were
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  married. She she was kind of waiting for
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  me to get out of my New age phase.
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  She wasn't really into it. But at the, you know, she was
• 20:15
  more spiritually grounded than I was.
• 20:17
  But still not neither of us really had it enough to know why
• 20:21
  New Age was so bad at the time. Well, the second-half of the
• 20:24
  program, my prayer was answered because LA started talking about
• 20:28
  how he came out of New Age and he was deceived by New Age when
• 20:32
  he was much younger. And he told that whole story and
• 20:34
  it's like, Oh my gosh, that that was me, that's me.
• 20:38
  And I I was dealing with all these spiritual problems at the
• 20:41
  time. And and I had never done this
• 20:42
  before. You know, to to me, this is like
• 20:45
  some famous guy on TV. You know, I've never known
• 20:48
  anyone on TV before like, and and I I was like basically
• 20:51
  raised on TVI was almost raised to kind of idolize anybody that
• 20:54
  you see on TV. And so like, but I I took a
• 20:58
  chance. I found his website and I
• 21:00
  emailed him and I said, hey, I just basically, I saw your
• 21:04
  program. I'm coming out of New Age
• 21:06
  myself. I'm dealing with a lot of
• 21:08
  spiritual problems. I don't know what to do, you
• 21:11
  know? Did did you notice when you
• 21:13
  renounce New Age? Did you get attacked by the
• 21:15
  enemy like a lot, like like way more than you expected.
• 21:18
  And. And I got an e-mail back from
• 21:22
  from his lovely wife Peggy and she said, hey, LA actually wants
• 21:27
  to talk to you. Do you have time for a phone
• 21:29
  call because he got your e-mail and he he he just he wants to
• 21:32
  talk to you. And I was like absolutely So I
• 21:40
  yeah so so after that so this was another day that Christina
• 21:43
  came home from work. So she she was already familiar
• 21:46
  with LA by this time. And I I told her I said you're
• 21:51
  not going to believe what just happened and I'm like
• 21:54
  starstruck. I I'm like almost dizzy over it
• 21:57
  cuz I can't believe that it's happening and I was like LA
• 22:00
  Marzulli wants to talk to me on the phone.
• 22:02
  And it's so funny cuz like we call each other all the time
• 22:05
  now. I love it.
• 22:07
  I love it. But it's like, I mean, like so
• 22:11
  so she was like, wow, that's amazing.
• 22:14
  And like, you know, she was, she was amazed by it too.
• 22:17
  And she she doesn't get as starstruck as as I have before.
• 22:21
  I've only seen her get starstruck one time and it was
• 22:24
  when she when I introduced her to John Schlitt from Petra and
• 22:29
  he's he's the singer of a Christian band called Petra from
• 22:32
  like the 80s and 90s or something.
• 22:33
  I didn't grow up on their music so I didn't really.
• 22:36
  I wasn't really familiar. But she she loved them so.
• 22:39
  But that that's that's a that's a tangent.
• 22:41
  But anyway, so so she was all excited for me and everything.
• 22:45
  And so I I remember I was so nervous.
• 22:48
  So Peggy set up a time and I was, I was just like nervously
• 22:53
  waiting for the phone call. And so he called me and really,
• 22:57
  really pleasant. I mean like exactly the LA that
• 23:00
  you see on TV and you see in presentations, that's just LA.
• 23:02
  He's he's like the most genuine person I ever met.
• 23:06
  He's just exactly how he is. And so he called me and I mean I
• 23:10
  was having like a hard time even talking to him because I was
• 23:13
  just so awestruck by the whole thing.
• 23:15
  And so he asked me what was going on and I kind of gave him
• 23:18
  a little bit of my background and just said, you know, I, I, I
• 23:22
  renounce new age. I'm out of it.
• 23:23
  But, you know, and I'm I'm, I'm dedicating my life to Christ.
• 23:27
  I'm, I'm absolutely, you know, going to be a Christian for the
• 23:30
  rest of my life and not mess around with this stuff.
• 23:32
  But I'm getting attacked so hard, I don't know what to do.
• 23:35
  And LA told me a little bit about what he went through.
• 23:39
  When he came out of New Age, he was dealing with similar things
• 23:41
  and he basically gave me like a 20 minute crash course on
• 23:44
  spiritual warfare, which I never heard in in my church because we
• 23:49
  didn't really deal with like demons or anything.
• 23:51
  Like they they just didn't. It's like, you know, they would
• 23:54
  admit that they exist but they didn't really focus on it.
• 23:56
  So I didn't know I and I didn't know how to deal with it.
• 24:00
  And really, I mean it was just, you know, using the Lord's name,
• 24:03
  you know, using using Jesus's authority that he offers to us.
• 24:08
  It's Jesus's authority, it's not ours.
• 24:10
  You know, we we we can't cast demons out by our own name or
• 24:13
  anything. And it's more than just using
• 24:15
  his name like a magical word. You know, it's not, it's not the
• 24:18
  word, it's not the syllables and consonants themselves that does
• 24:20
  it. It's his authority And so LA
• 24:23
  taught me all that and he's like you know anything new age that
• 24:26
  you got in your house, even if it's just you know a a dream
• 24:29
  catcher or anything like that a book anything you need to you
• 24:32
  need to get that out of there. And he and when I was a new age
• 24:36
  my my big thing was astral projection with that like that
• 24:39
  was the thing that I was most fascinated by and LA had done
• 24:42
  that too and and for those who who who aren't familiar with the
• 24:46
  term it's basically you and I do not recommend anybody do this
• 24:50
  It's it's horrible. It is expressly forbidden by the
• 24:53
  Bible. It counts as witchcraft.
• 24:55
  Absolutely. And I mean it is it is just
• 24:58
  absolutely dangerous but it's it's I'm not going to say how to
• 25:03
  do it but it's you you you basically will your spirit out
• 25:08
  of your body and and then you like travel around and stuff and
• 25:13
  that was like my my big thing in new age.
• 25:17
  Well LA told me because he he, he would he used to do that too
• 25:20
  before he he became a Christian. Well he said, you know every
• 25:24
  time you do that you're basically punching a hole to the
• 25:28
  spirit world and you're allowing demons in like it, that's like
• 25:31
  their invitation. That's like come on in.
• 25:34
  And he said you got to close those and and it's the same
• 25:37
  thing. It's you know name of Jesus and
• 25:39
  he said you know go into every room you can use anointing oil
• 25:42
  if you want. Just just as long as you know
• 25:44
  it's not the oil that's actually doing anything.
• 25:46
  It's the, you know, the prayer and the authority of Jesus.
• 25:49
  And so he's like, you can anoint all your doorposts, go into
• 25:52
  every single room, use the name of Jesus to close any any
• 25:56
  portals that you might have opened and to banish anything
• 25:59
  out of your house, You know, dedicate it to God, pray for a
• 26:02
  hedge of protection like we read about in job, around your house
• 26:05
  and around your family. And so he went through all that.
• 26:08
  And so it was about 20 minutes long.
• 26:10
  I got off the phone with him. And so the next day I got
• 26:16
  everybody out of the house because I didn't know what was
• 26:18
  going to happen. I got everybody out of the house
• 26:21
  and I did exactly what he said and and it it was funny because
• 26:24
  in the moment while I was doing it I didn't think anything was
• 26:27
  happening like I I I wasn't nothing weird happened nothing
• 26:29
  moved like I didn't but when it was done there was a piece over
• 26:34
  we we lived in this little trailer.
• 26:36
  There was a piece in that trailer that we I had never felt
• 26:39
  in in that place before. We it was our first place.
• 26:42
  We got it really cheap because there was a murder that happened
• 26:44
  in there like a couple of months before we moved in.
• 26:48
  I mean, there was still like blood on the floor and stuff.
• 26:50
  And so we got it like really cheap because of that.
• 26:52
  But it was all I I worked at at the time.
• 26:55
  I was on disability, but I worked at McDonald's before
• 26:57
  that, so I didn't have any savings.
• 26:59
  But there was a piece after after that, that whole battle.
• 27:03
  And then I noticed I was starting to feel really sick and
• 27:07
  really tired and really weak. And so I didn't notice it at the
• 27:11
  time, but at the time I was going through a battle.
• 27:14
  But you know, Jesus was holding me up.
• 27:16
  The Holy Spirit was holding me up.
• 27:17
  And then once the battle was over, I I felt, I felt like the
• 27:20
  aftermath of it. I had to call and I had to
• 27:24
  cause. Yeah, at that time I had just
• 27:25
  gotten back off disability and I'd started working again at
• 27:29
  McDonald's and I had to call off work that day because it it
• 27:32
  affected me so much. Like it really.
• 27:34
  Like I I just felt sick and worn out and I I felt like I've been
• 27:37
  through a battle. And so then Christina came back
• 27:42
  home. She immediately noticed that
• 27:43
  there was a change and then we didn't we didn't have any any
• 27:48
  demonic problems in in that place after that.
• 27:50
  So yeah, Lala really changed my life.
• 27:54
  So all of that to say, you never know.
• 27:57
  You know, through through L as obedience of just doing this one
• 28:00
  interview. And you know, not now that I've
• 28:04
  gone out and traveled and done interviews.
• 28:05
  They're they're grueling. I mean, there there's a short
• 28:08
  period where it's kind of fun and exciting at first, but then
• 28:11
  when it becomes routine, it gets to the point where it's like,
• 28:14
  man, do I really want to do this today?
• 28:15
  Do I really want to you know go drive to South Carolina or North
• 28:19
  Carolina wherever Sid Roth is and go through that whole thing
• 28:23
  and and do this interview and it it it it does become, you know
• 28:28
  you just got to keep in mind you're you're not doing it for
• 28:30
  you you're doing it for other people.
• 28:31
  So and and LA had already been established at that point so I'm
• 28:35
  I'm, I I don't know. You know how he feels about
• 28:38
  doing regular interviews. He always seems to like him.
• 28:40
  But I know even with me, after 10 or so years, more 10 or more
• 28:45
  years of doing it, there are times where I I can get kind of
• 28:48
  tired. And so I I just have to
• 28:50
  remember, yeah, but and if LA would have skipped that
• 28:52
  interview, I don't know where I'd be.
• 28:54
  I definitely wouldn't be here. Like, if LA would have skipped
• 28:57
  that interview and I didn't catch that program, I wouldn't
• 29:01
  be doing what I'm doing now because it was that that whole
• 29:04
  phone call. And I saw the power of the Holy
• 29:06
  Spirit, and I saw the power of the authority in the name of
• 29:09
  Jesus. That was what made me want to be
• 29:11
  an author and go do presentations, do my own podcast
• 29:14
  and and really get into ministry that that was like a changing
• 29:17
  point because I didn't know what I wanted to do before that.
• 29:19
  And it was like, OK, I I I need to get into ministry because
• 29:22
  there's real power here and most Christians don't know it sounds.
• 29:25
  Like perfect timing. It's just, yeah, yeah, perfect
• 29:28
  timing. Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:30
  So, So yeah. So going back to what you were
• 29:33
  saying before, it's it's, you know, even if you only see one
• 29:35
  or two views, you you never know.
• 29:38
  That could be the person that might decide to change his life
• 29:42
  and and get into ministry and and change however many other
• 29:46
  people's lives. You know, you just never know.
• 29:47
  So, so that's that's my long story to that point.
• 29:51
  No, that I loved hearing that. Absolutely loved hearing that.
• 29:55
  Because that is, that's an echo Chamber of the way that God's
• 30:00
  working, in my opinion, in a mysterious way that's not known
• 30:04
  to the four walls. That needs to be talked about
• 30:07
  because it could let the guard down and show, like, you know
• 30:10
  what, I don't want to put God in a box, how he decides to, you
• 30:14
  know, reach out into the timeline that we're living in
• 30:17
  and stir things up and call those who belong to him back.
• 30:20
  That is God's business. But to testify on it, that's
• 30:24
  powerful. Because we overcome by the blood
• 30:27
  of the Lamb and our testimony and just, you know, as you were,
• 30:30
  you were talking about LA has been significant even in my
• 30:32
  life. I remember when he came on the
• 30:34
  show in 2020, I was like L as going to come on and talk to me.
• 30:38
  You know, I was like begging my neighbors and friends and family
• 30:40
  members, anybody to come on the podcast.
• 30:42
  It's like just me. I got a million thoughts you.
• 30:45
  Know and I'm. Like and when he came on like
• 30:48
  really early in, it blew me away.
• 30:51
  And, you know, he's been on a handful of Times Now, but he had
• 30:55
  another moment that just really knocked my socks off in the
• 30:59
  sense where he called the podcast a ministry.
• 31:02
  I had never called it a ministry prior to that.
• 31:05
  It like, literally I, everybody else was calling the Millennial
• 31:08
  Mustard seed a ministry. But I wasn't calling that.
• 31:10
  I'm like, oh, it's a podcast. But it was so funny.
• 31:13
  It was right in front of my face.
• 31:14
  Everybody was saying it, But when LA said it, it like jumped.
• 31:17
  It connected like just the way he said it, the power in his
• 31:22
  voice, you know, and just it was genuine and it was it was
• 31:25
  delivered at the right time in the right season.
• 31:27
  So it just brings me back to I'm fascinated listening to, you
• 31:31
  know, how God used LA on that Sid Roth program to get you at
• 31:35
  the right time. Because there's a timing thing
• 31:37
  that we have to consider like, wow, you know, God, you really
• 31:41
  go out of your way to line stuff up and find us, find us
• 31:46
  prodigals in the most unique manners and and it's powerful
• 31:51
  and it's noteworthy. It needs to be talked about
• 31:54
  more, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 31:57
  Yeah, I agree. I wish there were, you know,
• 31:59
  there more people would have the opportunity to talk about that
• 32:02
  stuff. Because most times when I go on
• 32:03
  podcast, you know, rarely everybody's already heard my
• 32:06
  testimony. So rarely do I ever get asked
• 32:08
  about it or about anything. With me personally, it's
• 32:11
  usually, you know, I'm usually promoting a book or something.
• 32:14
  And even for this you got me at a good time because I haven't
• 32:16
  written a book in a couple years.
• 32:17
  I'm I'm I'm kind of working on one now but I'm not promoting it
• 32:20
  yet so it's like a great time where I'm not I'm not actively
• 32:24
  trying to promote anything right now so it I I I think that kind
• 32:27
  of helps to to have like more of like a a candid like more
• 32:32
  genuine might not be the right word but but.
• 32:34
  Organic conversation. Just flow.
• 32:36
  Yeah. We're just flowing, yeah.
• 32:37
  It's a perfect time, Perfect time for that.
• 32:39
  And then and then going back to what you were saying about LA, I
• 32:42
  I think you're right. Because he is genuine.
• 32:44
  You know that when he says something like that, he's not
• 32:46
  humoring you. You know, you never really know
• 32:48
  with your friends and family because you know they're they're
• 32:50
  going to want to be nice and support you and you know, so you
• 32:53
  never really know. But when it's somebody like that
• 32:55
  who he doesn't have any reason to, you know, humor you or
• 32:59
  anything, it's not going to make or break his career.
• 33:02
  Or anything. I don't have to see this person
• 33:04
  next week at dinner. I have no obligation to make
• 33:06
  them feel well. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:10
  So when somebody like that says it, it's like OK then, now I
• 33:14
  know it's real and. Get a confirmation.
• 33:16
  It's it's been it's been the same with me.
• 33:18
  I mean LA has been like just so incredibly encouraging and and I
• 33:22
  mean now I mean I'm so blessed. I've I've, I I've I I've from
• 33:26
  that that whole experience I learned kind of like who my
• 33:30
  heroes were and then I got to meet them and now work with them
• 33:33
  and now I they're just brothers in Christ.
• 33:35
  Like I I don't, I don't have the same like the same starstruck
• 33:38
  kind of thing that I did when I first met all these people.
• 33:41
  And and I absolutely love it because I feel like this is what
• 33:44
  I was made for. Like like now it makes sense.
• 33:47
  And that was something I always wondered when I was a kid, like,
• 33:49
  God, why did you put me on this earth?
• 33:51
  I don't make any sense. I don't know what I'm supposed
• 33:53
  to do. And now it makes sense.
• 33:56
  Now it's like, OK, I was a misfit to be to be in in with
• 33:59
  these other misfits. And and I absolutely love it.
• 34:01
  There's no no other place I'd rather be.
• 34:04
  Man, I love what you just said right there.
• 34:06
  Powerful, bro. I am loving this conversation.
• 34:07
  This is edifying for me personally.
• 34:09
  This is good. Now, you did say something that
• 34:12
  I I kind of wanted to go back to when you you talked about astral
• 34:15
  projection. And I I don't recommend it
• 34:17
  either. The listeners should know that
• 34:19
  by now this we're just depicting what it used to look like in his
• 34:23
  sense. But you said to will to come out
• 34:26
  of your body. Now I had a near death encounter
• 34:29
  many, many years ago that opened up my eyes to the reality of
• 34:32
  there's so much more going on. I guess I could say the world's
• 34:35
  programming broke. And then this big question mark
• 34:39
  launched into my head. Why am I here?
• 34:42
  Why? You know, and I dealt with PTSD
• 34:44
  from it's, you know, I've talked about it recently on the show
• 34:46
  and on Strangely enough I've been getting invited on all
• 34:49
  these other shows to talk about my near death encounter.
• 34:51
  And I'm like, I thought nobody would want to hear this like,
• 34:54
  oh. Man, I want to hear it.
• 34:56
  Oh jeez. I want to hear it is can you?
• 35:00
  I know that's not probably not why you brought it up, but like
• 35:02
  what can I ask? Like what happened?
• 35:04
  Absolutely. Well, all right, so let me let
• 35:06
  me lay this seed real quick and I'll just do a real quick recap
• 35:09
  on what happened to me. But I felt like I was coming out
• 35:13
  of my body in this near death encounter and I didn't want to.
• 35:16
  I felt like I was being willed out or pulled out, but I was
• 35:20
  like stubbornly resistant to it. But you know, to save the sake
• 35:25
  of the audience's ears from like hearing the whole thing, I'm
• 35:27
  going to shorten it up. I got jumped by a handful of
• 35:29
  guys. I literally the right side of my
• 35:31
  face from my ear to the front tip of my nose.
• 35:35
  I was swollen shut for weeks. I had my brain swell up and tap
• 35:38
  the inside of my skull. So these guys tried to kill me.
• 35:40
  They stomped me into the ground and and the experience was I
• 35:44
  didn't see a tunnel. I didn't see like bright lights
• 35:46
  or it was everything was very dark and dim.
• 35:49
  But but I had this experience. Where from?
• 35:51
  Like my thighs, my waist. I'm sorry.
• 35:54
  Up was sitting up to come out of my body and I just.
• 35:57
  I just have the stubborn feeling.
• 35:59
  No, I didn't know how to operate in the realm I'm tapping into.
• 36:03
  I'm riding the veil, whatever you want to call it.
• 36:06
  I didn't have operation there that made sense to me.
• 36:08
  It didn't quite feel like it does here in the physical.
• 36:11
  Felt like a thin like being in water in this immersed in water
• 36:15
  like a really thin pressure on on my outside man and and I was
• 36:20
  just stubbornly did not want to come out of my body.
• 36:22
  So when you said you know that this like a cultic practice
• 36:25
  where they astral project and they're kind of like mind over
• 36:29
  the matter they're willing themselves out.
• 36:31
  I just, you took me right back to that experience momentarily
• 36:34
  where I was like I felt like I was being drawn out but but I
• 36:40
  was stubborn and going, no, this is not what's going to happen.
• 36:43
  And so I I just kind of wanted to to ask you on that, have you
• 36:48
  covered near death encounters? I mean is that something that
• 36:51
  you've researched? Can we just kind of play with
• 36:53
  that idea A? Little bit, absolutely.
• 36:55
  Actually my wife had one and and and it's interesting.
• 36:58
  Some of the things that you're saying was like, I mean you like
• 37:02
  took the words right out of her mouth because she said she's
• 37:04
  like, she didn't see a tunnel either.
• 37:06
  It was really brief. So she was in a a horrible car
• 37:08
  accident when she was like in 8th grade she got she got T
• 37:11
  boned by a drunk driver and it really messed her up and but she
• 37:15
  had a near death experience. She she said that it was kind of
• 37:18
  like dim and shadowy kind of like how you described and like
• 37:21
  a weird underwater kind of feeling and and she didn't even
• 37:26
  she didn't realize that she was even out of her body just yet.
• 37:31
  Just she just knew that everything was just off and it
• 37:33
  just it wasn't it just wasn't right.
• 37:35
  And so like the way that you describe it is really similar to
• 37:39
  how she described it. So that's really interesting to
• 37:43
  me but and then she she's got like a miracle story and and
• 37:46
  actually I I wrote about near death experiences in a
• 37:49
  collaboration book that I did with Ali and Donna at Skywatch
• 37:55
  called Afterlife and we we kind of got into the idea of near
• 37:58
  death experiences and and I I I do believe that I do believe in
• 38:05
  them. I believe they're real.
• 38:05
  I don't believe that every time when somebody has an account
• 38:09
  that they're interpreting it correctly.
• 38:11
  Though I do believe that things happen like I don't think
• 38:16
  there's a whole lot of people out there lying about near death
• 38:20
  experiences. I do think it happens but I
• 38:22
  don't think it happens that much.
• 38:24
  I think people most often I think where the deception is, is
• 38:27
  people will have an experience and then they'll think that they
• 38:30
  they can interpret it correctly. And one thing.
• 38:33
  Yeah, what really shattered. And and by the way, it's the
• 38:35
  same with astral projection too. So with astral projection you're
• 38:38
  actually willing yourself like you're you're actively trying to
• 38:41
  turn off that part of your your brain that says no, the soul's
• 38:45
  got to stay in the body. And again, it is a horrible,
• 38:48
  dangerous, dangerous thing to do.
• 38:51
  I mean don't do it unless you want your house infested with
• 38:53
  demons and you want to have sleeper houses every night.
• 38:55
  I mean it is horrible. We're not.
• 38:58
  We're not meant to tread on that ground.
• 39:00
  You know, we're not, we're not built for that.
• 39:02
  So astral projection, I absolutely believe it's real.
• 39:06
  I believe it's witchcraft. But when people have
• 39:08
  experiences, I believe that they they saw and heard what they saw
• 39:12
  and heard, but I don't believe that they're interpreting it
• 39:14
  right because new with New Age, they always interpret it as this
• 39:18
  wonderful magical thing. I'll tell you a story.
• 39:21
  This was actually the thing that turned me off to it.
• 39:25
  I was. So I was out of my body, and
• 39:28
  this was when I was living in the trailer.
• 39:29
  It kind of floated through the wall into the street.
• 39:31
  And then I noticed all of these people were like in the street
• 39:34
  and they were all heading towards this big bright white
• 39:39
  Oval and they were all, like heading towards it.
• 39:41
  That was just in the middle of the street, in the middle of the
• 39:44
  next adjacent street by my trailer.
• 39:47
  They're all walking towards. I mean, there's dozens and
• 39:49
  dozens of these things. Some of them look like people,
• 39:52
  some of them look like weird creatures.
• 39:54
  Some of them look like Giants. And there was a group of, I
• 39:57
  don't know, four or five or six of them closest to me.
• 40:00
  And I went up to them and it, you know, it just felt normal to
• 40:03
  me. It felt like, you know, if you
• 40:05
  go ask somebody in the grocery store like, hey, do you know
• 40:07
  where the cereal aisle is? Like, it just felt like a
• 40:09
  normal, like, it didn't feel as weird as it sounds the way that
• 40:12
  I'm telling it. So I went, I went up to a group
• 40:14
  of them and I said, hey, what? What is that thing?
• 40:16
  Where, where are all you guys going?
• 40:18
  And they didn't answer me. They didn't tell me.
• 40:20
  But they see they got really interested in me.
• 40:23
  And they were like, oh, who are you?
• 40:26
  Are you like one of us? What are you Like they could
• 40:28
  tell something was off. And I said I'm, I'm out of my
• 40:30
  body right now. I'm astral projecting.
• 40:32
  They totally disregarded my question.
• 40:34
  But they said, hey, if you ever want help leaving your body, you
• 40:38
  can ask us and we'll come help you.
• 40:41
  And like, they were all excited that I was astral projecting.
• 40:43
  And then I I just got a weird feeling about that.
• 40:45
  Because to me, I mean, even though I was basically living as
• 40:49
  a Pagan, like a new age Pagan, I still had like a foundation and
• 40:53
  the church that I was brought up in.
• 40:55
  And it just seemed too much like praying to something that's not
• 40:59
  God. And I just, I knew that was
• 41:00
  wrong. I just politely was like, OK,
• 41:03
  well keep that in mind, you know?
• 41:04
  Thanks. I got to go now.
• 41:06
  So I left, went back in my body, and then the next time I tried
• 41:10
  to astral project, it was like a couple days later or something,
• 41:13
  I just couldn't. I just absolutely couldn't.
• 41:15
  And then that offer kept rattling in my head, but I just
• 41:20
  refused to do it. Like, I was like, no, I can't do
• 41:22
  that. That that is a step too far.
• 41:26
  So I didn't. But But when I refused, that
• 41:29
  really was when literal. All hell broke loose.
• 41:34
  I mean, we were having demonic manifestations in the middle of
• 41:37
  the day. Our daughter was having night
• 41:39
  terrors, which she never had before.
• 41:41
  Me and my wife were having shared sleep paralysis
• 41:44
  encounters on almost a nightly basis.
• 41:46
  I mean, stuff. Stuff would knock stuff off our
• 41:48
  shelves there. There would be there.
• 41:51
  There was a time where oh and we at the time we had an atheist
• 41:54
  roommate and she was even seeing stuff and and she didn't believe
• 42:00
  in anything. She was a friend that we worked
• 42:02
  with that we were helping out. She didn't have a place to stay
• 42:04
  but but I mean there was like balls of light that would that
• 42:07
  would go through the house. There was there was one time
• 42:10
  there was this loud like it sounded like a bomb went off in
• 42:13
  the bathroom. It was so loud.
• 42:16
  And we went and checked and nothing, nothing was moved,
• 42:18
  nothing was touched. And I mean, it was loud.
• 42:21
  I I thought for sure somebody was going to call because this
• 42:24
  is a trailer park. I, I, I, I was thinking, surely
• 42:28
  somebody heard that we're going to get the cops called on us.
• 42:30
  No cops came. Nobody heard anything.
• 42:32
  Our neighbors to the right of us were the deacons to a church
• 42:38
  that we kind of went to and kind of not because I I was doing new
• 42:43
  age stuff so I I kind of went you know out of obligation but
• 42:47
  but but they didn't hear anything so it's just crazy
• 42:51
  crazy stuff like that And then that that was when I was like OK
• 42:54
  I am in over my head I need to stop the new age stuff and I
• 42:57
  need to I need to get back to Jesus because I cannot handle
• 43:00
  this. So those things that seemed so
• 43:02
  friendly at first what happened was and LA explained all this to
• 43:05
  me he's like well they they were trying to get you to to to pray
• 43:08
  to them to honor them and you you you didn't do it and they
• 43:11
  crave that. So they went crazy on you like
• 43:14
  they they attacked you over it they got angry and and that's
• 43:17
  exactly that's exactly what it was.
• 43:19
  So all the when I hear these new Agers that that say yeah I
• 43:22
  astral project and my spirit guides and it's like man those
• 43:24
  are demons and fallen angels and they are really tricky like they
• 43:27
  really seem like they're your friends they will tell you every
• 43:30
  nice thing that you want to hear.
• 43:32
  They they they will like encourage you and and most
• 43:35
  people get into new age because they don't have that in their
• 43:38
  normal lives. They don't have a whole lot of
• 43:39
  encouragement or or anything and so they they go to these
• 43:43
  ascended masters you know for that but but these are just
• 43:46
  demons in disguise and the way to tell if if it really was an
• 43:49
  ascended master would it care if you stopped talking to it.
• 43:53
  Like would it really care that much?
• 43:55
  You know you you think of like it's.
• 43:56
  Dependent on your response to it, for it to be magnificent,
• 44:00
  yeah, that's a fascinating take. Yeah, think about it like this.
• 44:02
  I mean, you go to a yoga class, you know, which yoga I also
• 44:05
  think Christians shouldn't be involved with.
• 44:07
  But. And I I wrote a whole book about
• 44:09
  that called Second Coming of the New Age.
• 44:10
  People are interested. But you go to a yoga class and
• 44:13
  you have your, your yoga instructor.
• 44:15
  Does he care if you don't show up the next week?
• 44:17
  You don't know. He doesn't care.
• 44:18
  Why on earth would an ascended master who's supposed to be
• 44:22
  like, above all of the, you know, humanity and and spiritual
• 44:26
  creation? I mean, this is like one of the
• 44:28
  highest things in the hierarchy of the new age, you know, where
• 44:33
  they put their characters and things.
• 44:35
  Why on earth would that ascended master care if you quit talking
• 44:40
  to it? But they get angry when you do
• 44:42
  that. Like if you if if like anybody
• 44:45
  out there that's involved in New Age and and if you're wondering,
• 44:47
  hey, I don't, I don't know if this Josh Pett guy's, you know,
• 44:50
  maybe he's just jaded and he had a bad experience.
• 44:52
  Maybe they're not all demonic. If you're involved with that, I
• 44:55
  highly suggest you give your life to Christ.
• 44:57
  But give your life to Christ and see how see, see how your
• 45:00
  ascended masters react. They're not going to be happy
• 45:02
  with it. And all of the good things that
• 45:04
  they've been telling you, all of the wonderful praises they've
• 45:07
  been giving you are going to go right out the window the second
• 45:10
  you stop paying attention to them.
• 45:12
  Because they're lying. They they don't, they don't love
• 45:15
  you, they don't care about you, They're using you.
• 45:17
  They want to deceive you and keep you away from Christ
• 45:19
  because that's where the true power is.
• 45:21
  In the name of Jesus Christ, That is where the true power is.
• 45:24
  And they fear it, they fear it and fear turns to anger.
• 45:27
  I mean, that even happens with us humans.
• 45:31
  Spirits are no different. Fear.
• 45:32
  Fear absolutely turns into anger.
• 45:34
  But but to the NTH degree, because these are demonic
• 45:36
  beings. So.
• 45:39
  So that's the astral projection thing.
• 45:40
  You you. I I'm sorry you had asked
• 45:42
  something about near death experiences.
• 45:45
  What did that answer it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it did.
• 45:50
  And and OK, one one thing I just want to add to what you were
• 45:53
  saying towards the end there because if someone is listening
• 45:58
  to this, we we have an influx of new listeners as as we kind of
• 46:01
  slowly grow. To reiterate what Josh was
• 46:04
  saying, it is God who works in and through us to cause his will
• 46:10
  to come about. He's the author and the finisher
• 46:12
  of our faith that and we're wonderfully and fearfully
• 46:15
  created in his image. So what would an enemy want to
• 46:19
  do to usurp the these conditions of what God's truth is saying
• 46:26
  about us distract us to inhabit us, right.
• 46:29
  To keep us from coming to that knowledge.
• 46:31
  So yeah, your depiction, Josh, of like, the yoga instructor,
• 46:35
  like, why would they be so obsessed and so angry if you
• 46:37
  didn't show up the next week? Yeah, it's really interesting.
• 46:40
  Think about all of this testimonial evidence that comes
• 46:43
  from people who have these experiences.
• 46:46
  And it's right. It's right there.
• 46:49
  It's like the proof is also in the personal experiences that
• 46:53
  people have. But the church, unfortunately,
• 46:56
  and I and I don't beat up on the church.
• 46:57
  We are the church. We're the body, but sometimes
• 47:00
  they don't get the right time and acknowledgement to what
• 47:05
  they're going through it. It gets written off as like, oh
• 47:07
  you both go see a psychiatrist or oh, you're just dealing with
• 47:10
  stress or PTSD from being in the military like it.
• 47:13
  They just write it off instead of genuinely taking the time to
• 47:17
  hear the story. Because the scriptures also say
• 47:19
  bear ye one another's burdens and so fulfill the law.
• 47:21
  I don't think there's a better way to bear a burden than to
• 47:24
  take a deep dive with what someone's going through.
• 47:26
  Lock arms with them, pray with them and do what LA did for you,
• 47:30
  which is give you some time. Hey, spiritual warfare is real,
• 47:33
  man. There's power in the name of
• 47:35
  Jesus. And it's like we're waking up to
• 47:37
  this. So I'm sorry.
• 47:38
  I get very excited because I feel like this ripple effect
• 47:41
  goes out. And actually people that are on
• 47:43
  the teeter totter right now, we're going to go, yeah, you
• 47:45
  know what? This is making too much sense.
• 47:47
  I'm going to call in the name that's above all names.
• 47:49
  Or that buddy who, you know, is wrestling with new age, you
• 47:52
  know, actually had a testimony. A guy, Isaiah, came on, I don't
• 47:55
  know, seven or eight episodes ago, and he was just came out of
• 47:58
  the occult, you know, rock sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, this whole
• 48:02
  lifestyle. He's a musician, right?
• 48:04
  And he, he had a buddy call him he hadn't talked to in years
• 48:08
  that grew up with him in the church together.
• 48:10
  And he asked him a couple questions about the Bible.
• 48:13
  And he was like, oh, I just kind of brushed it off.
• 48:15
  But he's like something, something was going on there.
• 48:18
  You know, he testified on that episode.
• 48:19
  I'm not going to go into the whole story, but it caused him
• 48:22
  to start looking into some of those questions.
• 48:24
  What landed him here at the Mustard Seed?
• 48:26
  And after a couple months of listening, bro, he just got
• 48:28
  baptized and dedicated him and his wife's life to the Lord.
• 48:32
  So I'm like, yes, this is working.
• 48:35
  Josh, I'm sorry. Continue.
• 48:36
  No, no this. Is good.
• 48:37
  Yeah. No, don't apologize.
• 48:39
  No, that's that that that's so encouraging like that that's
• 48:41
  amazing. And and yeah, the other thing I
• 48:44
  was going to say too about like people we're built to we're
• 48:49
  we're sheep. We're built to be sheep like,
• 48:52
  and we we are all looking for a shepherd like.
• 48:56
  I don't care if it's the most hardened atheist, they're
• 48:59
  they're looking for a shepherd and it it's something or
• 49:02
  somebody is going to fill that role, whether it's a human being
• 49:05
  or whether it's a philosophy or whether it's an ascended master.
• 49:10
  But it's never really going to fulfill it the way that Jesus is
• 49:13
  because we're made, He made us to be his sheep and him our
• 49:18
  shepherd. So when people look to these
• 49:21
  ascended masters and these, these spiritual guides and
• 49:25
  stuff, they're not. They turn that logical part off
• 49:29
  in their brain that says, hey, you need to be suspicious of
• 49:33
  everybody. I don't care if it's a spirit,
• 49:35
  if a person can lie, a spirit can lie.
• 49:37
  I mean we're really just spirits and physical bodies anyway and
• 49:41
  and nobody would just go and trust like anything just some
• 49:45
  human being says and you know a lot of times these people, they
• 49:49
  they these New Age people and I'm not I'm not dogging on them
• 49:52
  because I used to be one too so I'd be the biggest hypocrite in
• 49:54
  the world if I did. But but a lot of times I know
• 49:56
  this happened with me, I I thought myself of a pretty, you
• 49:59
  know, I thought I was a pretty critical thinking person.
• 50:02
  You know, I thought I was pretty logical and pretty critical
• 50:04
  thinking. But when it came to spiritual
• 50:07
  stuff, when it came to anything I was seeing or experiencing, I
• 50:09
  never questioned it. I just, I just accepted it.
• 50:12
  And that is such a dangerous thing to do.
• 50:14
  I mean, you won't live long on earth if you did that just with
• 50:17
  human beings, you know. I mean, you'll get taken
• 50:20
  advantage of, you'll get, you'll probably get killed.
• 50:22
  I mean, anybody, anybody can take, take advantage.
• 50:25
  So it's like, why wouldn't we think that the spirit world
• 50:28
  would be like that too? I mean, and I'm not.
• 50:31
  I'm not, I'm not talking from like a Christian standpoint
• 50:33
  right now. I'm talking I'm trying to use
• 50:35
  some of the like like the way that the new Ager would think
• 50:37
  because you know obviously as a Christian, I know there is a
• 50:40
  realm where there is no lies, no deceit you know, in heaven the
• 50:44
  the angels who haven't fallen, you know the good guys.
• 50:47
  So that does exist in the spirit world.
• 50:49
  We're not to go and talk to them but we talk to God and God
• 50:53
  alone. But but in the lower spiritual
• 50:56
  world, you know we're we're like and New Agers don't typically
• 51:00
  believe in like heaven in the way that we do.
• 51:02
  They have. They they have.
• 51:04
  Well, I mean you ask any any new Ager, you're going to get a
• 51:06
  million different answers, but this is.
• 51:08
  True, this is very. True but it's like you know to
• 51:11
  the new ages. I'd ask like if Earth is the way
• 51:13
  that it is why would you assume the spirit world would be any
• 51:17
  different? Because we are spiritual beings
• 51:19
  in a in a having a physical experience and and most I I
• 51:23
  think pretty much every new ager would agree with that.
• 51:26
  So if the earth is like this the earth is filled with spiritual
• 51:29
  beings called human humans that just have a a A3 dimensional
• 51:33
  form to operate in this world. If we're all liars and you know
• 51:38
  we're we're all no one's perfect why on earth would we assume
• 51:43
  that the the vast spiritual world would be any different.
• 51:46
  What they're all good they're they're all perfectly truthful
• 51:50
  like of course they're going to deceive.
• 51:52
  Oh, and that I remember what I was going to say about that.
• 51:55
  That ties into near death experiences too.
• 51:57
  So there are times where people will have an amazing near death
• 52:01
  experience and they're not Christian or anything, but they
• 52:04
  will that they'll have this, this amazing experience.
• 52:08
  And usually it ties into universalism.
• 52:11
  Usually it's it it, you know, they have this experience and
• 52:14
  they find out that really everybody makes it to heaven.
• 52:17
  And and and it's OK how you live your life.
• 52:19
  It's it's fine. God loves you.
• 52:22
  You know just basically you do you and don't worry about that
• 52:25
  is deception and and one one of my biggest eye openers and again
• 52:29
  I do believe in near death experiences.
• 52:31
  Absolutely. I believe yours is real.
• 52:33
  I believe my wife's is real and and when people have a deceptive
• 52:36
  one I believe those are real but I don't believe they're they're
• 52:39
  interpreted correctly. And my biggest eye opener I had
• 52:42
  this guest on and it was funny because this guy I mean he was
• 52:47
  so I I get this all the time and and I I don't mean to demean
• 52:50
  anybody but it's just if I don't recognize the name or I don't
• 52:52
  know somebody or you know I I just I get a lot of emails and a
• 52:56
  lot of messages and a lot of people that want to be on my
• 52:59
  show and a lot of times it's like I I feel like OK is it just
• 53:05
  they want my platform or like what like why me is it they
• 53:08
  think that I'm just going to be easy to get or like or like
• 53:11
  what. So I'm I'm just you know once
• 53:13
  you and you probably already experienced this but once once
• 53:15
  you're in it for a while you you just you get people like that
• 53:18
  where it's like you you you tend to know they're really just kind
• 53:21
  of trying to use you. So anyway the guy that I'm
• 53:24
  talking about is not like that but when he first started
• 53:27
  messaging me, I thought he was and I was absolutely wrong and I
• 53:29
  repent of that and now we're like really good friends.
• 53:32
  But I had I had this guy that was in my Facebook group he was
• 53:38
  commenting and messaging me and he really really wanted to be on
• 53:41
  my show and he wasn't being annoying he wasn't saying
• 53:44
  anything wrong. But I just because I I sometimes
• 53:49
  I get a little pessimistic about certain things and and at that
• 53:52
  time I was pessimistic about guests that I didn't know not
• 53:55
  anymore. But I I repented of that but for
• 53:58
  a little while I was and he just caught me at that time And so I
• 54:01
  ignored him. I just ignored him for like a
• 54:03
  long time, like a year. And he didn't he didn't bug me.
• 54:06
  He wasn't he wasn't like intrusive or anything.
• 54:09
  But I would just see his comments come up and it and it
• 54:12
  wasn't just, you know, hey I want to be on your show.
• 54:14
  Why won't you have me on your show.
• 54:15
  It wasn't like that. Like he he would actually give
• 54:17
  substance to the comment and he but he had a he had a near death
• 54:22
  experience and he really wanted to talk about it.
• 54:24
  And so I finally after like a year it it it just so happened
• 54:31
  that I started to get interested in near death experiences
• 54:34
  because I remember growing up in my aunt.
• 54:36
  Yeah my my Aunt Elaine like had a few and and I always believed
• 54:40
  her because they they weren't really anything special.
• 54:42
  I mean there was one time she said she remembered like sitting
• 54:45
  on a really pretty table looking down on her body and screaming
• 54:50
  at the doctors to stop working on her because she wanted to
• 54:52
  stay where she was. So she had a yeah she had like
• 54:56
  five or six of those before she she finally passed away.
• 54:59
  And my my anyway was awesome. But.
• 55:01
  And I totally I totally believe all that was real because
• 55:04
  there's there was there wasn't any deception in there.
• 55:06
  There wasn't anything that could be misconstrued.
• 55:08
  Well anyway so I I was just starting to kind of get
• 55:11
  interested in near death experiences about a year after
• 55:14
  this guy was commenting and stuff and and so I decided all
• 55:19
  right I will check out his near death experience.
• 55:21
  I'll just see see what it's all about.
• 55:23
  And I watched he his name is Brian Melvin and I highly
• 55:28
  suggest anybody who hasn't heard his testimony you can hear it on
• 55:32
  my channel. But he's got he also has another
• 55:35
  YouTube video. It's not his channel or mine.
• 55:38
  I don't know who it belongs to but it's got like millions of
• 55:40
  views at this point. But if if people want like a
• 55:43
  really, really detailed version of it, they can find it on my
• 55:46
  YouTube channel, but it's just youtube.com slash at Daily
• 55:52
  Renegade. But anyway, he was an atheist
• 55:55
  and he drank some really bad water on accident and it it
• 55:59
  killed him like he got really, really sick and it it he had a
• 56:03
  near death experience and at first he he he he it's not that
• 56:10
  it's not exactly like he stood before God.
• 56:12
  He didn't see God's face or anything.
• 56:14
  He but he did see someone there. And you know it was God, but he
• 56:19
  didn't see God's face because then if he saw God's face, he
• 56:21
  wouldn't be coming back. But but he was.
• 56:26
  He was, it wasn't that he was like judged.
• 56:30
  It was basically the way that the way.
• 56:33
  OK, this is like my interpretation of it.
• 56:37
  It sounds like to me God was giving him an experience and a
• 56:42
  chance to to like one last chance to repent of the way he
• 56:45
  was living his life. Not everybody gets that chance
• 56:48
  but for some reason you know Brian did so he so God said, you
• 56:54
  know basically in so in in so many words he just said
• 56:57
  basically you're you're you're going to go to hell and we'll
• 57:01
  see, we'll we'll see. You know you're going to get a
• 57:03
  tour of hell. We're going to and I'll, I'll
• 57:05
  determine later if we're going to get you out of there or not.
• 57:09
  It was something along those lines.
• 57:12
  So then he was sent to this, this like what he described as
• 57:15
  this big like portal tornado thing.
• 57:17
  And and then he said that when he first landed, he kind of
• 57:22
  forgot that this was supposed to be hell.
• 57:24
  And all of these people started. He was he was like on the grass
• 57:27
  and there was a house that he was familiar with from his
• 57:29
  childhood and all of these people like people that had
• 57:32
  died. His family members and stuff
• 57:34
  started coming out and saying hey, you're in paradise, Brian.
• 57:38
  Oh, it's so good you're here. We love you.
• 57:39
  We missed you all this wonderful stuff and and for for like a
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  minute he he forgot that he was like in hell.
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  He he thought that he was in heaven for a minute.
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  But then he when he when he looked closer at these people,
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  he realized that that these were not the people he knew.
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  These these were these were basically very Long story short
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  but these were demons that were manifesting as his loved ones to
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  to just torment him to to trick him into thinking that he was in
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  paradise so they could torment him, that he's actually in hell
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  later. And so very Long story short
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  because there's a lot more to that but his main take away is
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  he said, he said coming out of that and he became a Christian
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  immediately after he came out of that.
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  You know Jesus did save him and and he repented in everything
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  and and he's a brother in Christ now.
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  But I absolutely believe his story.
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  Every time he tells it there's a part in it where he tears up and
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  I tear up because it's just so beautiful and but I I think this
• 58:35
  was this was him like kind of like having this vision to to to
• 58:39
  teach him something it wasn't once you're dead, you're dead
• 58:42
  you don't come back. But so it wasn't, it wasn't that
• 58:45
  but it was a near death experience so but his whole
• 58:49
  thing he's like you know all these people say that they they
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  they die or they they have a near death experience and it's
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  all wonderful. They don't realize that they're
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  in a box in hell and it's all a projection.
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  It's not real like these people don't realize because they they
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  they've come out of it too early.
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  They they they weren't in it long enough to realize they're
• 59:08
  being deceived. And these demons and these
• 59:10
  fallen angels want these people to go, come back to life and
• 59:14
  then tell everybody hey, it's all good, we're all going to
• 59:17
  make it. Nobody goes to hell.
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  Hell is it real? It's all just good and
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  wonderful. And that's what a lot of them
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  do. I mean, even some so-called
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  Christian ones, when when they when they all have a near death
• 59:29
  experience, they just don't interpret it right.
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  And that doesn't mean that they necessarily went to hell.
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  But when they come back, some of them don't interpret it right.
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  Like once somebody gets to the point of preaching universalism,
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  that absolutely is a deception. I mean, there is nothing to
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  support that in the Bible. There is eternal life and there
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  is eternal contempt and eternal punishment.
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  That same word in the original language is the same word for
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  eternal life. So if there's no hell, there's
• 59:53
  no heaven either. You know, the the, the scripture
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  uses that same word, eternal. So I and hey, you don't have to
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  love it. I I, I don't.
• 1:00:02
  But hell is eternal conscious punishment.
• 1:00:04
  That's just, that's what the Bible teaches.
• 1:00:06
  And a lot of Christians have a hard time with that, and I
• 1:00:08
  understand that. I mean, there's a lot of loved
• 1:00:10
  ones I have that weren't saved, and I don't want to think about
• 1:00:12
  them burning in hell for all eternity.
• 1:00:14
  But I also know I'm seeing through a glass darkly right
• 1:00:16
  now. And once I'm there, once, once I
• 1:00:19
  pass from this life to the next, and I can see God in all his
• 1:00:23
  glory and I can really understand what he's doing, I
• 1:00:26
  trust it's going to make sense, You know?
• 1:00:28
  I trust that his judgment is going to be done, and we'll
• 1:00:31
  actually be praising him for it because it's his judgment.
• 1:00:34
  But that, that to anybody listening, if you haven't given
• 1:00:37
  your life to Christ, man, that is such a sobering, sobering
• 1:00:41
  thing to understand that the Bible absolutely preaches
• 1:00:45
  eternal, conscious punishment in hell.
• 1:00:47
  And it's not a vindictive God trying to just make you feel
• 1:00:51
  pain for all of eternity. It's it's no you can be with me
• 1:00:55
  or you can be without me. You have a choice.
• 1:00:58
  I gave you free will. If you want to be with me,
• 1:01:02
  here's how to make that happen. I've made a a way for you.
• 1:01:04
  And you really don't even have to do much.
• 1:01:06
  You know, you you just believe what I did, accept what I did,
• 1:01:10
  live for me. But if you don't want to be with
• 1:01:12
  me, if, if you don't want me as your God, fine.
• 1:01:16
  But you're not going to be with me in my home in eternity.
• 1:01:19
  You know you're going to be elsewhere.
• 1:01:20
  And that's just what that's like without God.
• 1:01:23
  It's hell. That's just what that's like.
• 1:01:26
  So it's, you know, it it it's something that, you know, I wish
• 1:01:31
  more people that had these near death experiences and any kind
• 1:01:35
  of interaction with anything spiritual.
• 1:01:38
  I just, I implore anyone listening, Don't turn off that
• 1:01:40
  critical part of your brain. That doesn't mean that you have
• 1:01:42
  to be suspicious of every little thing, but but it's good to
• 1:01:45
  question things and absolutely anything like that.
• 1:01:48
  Bring it to God and ask if it was him.
• 1:01:50
  He'll he'll tell you. He'll let you know.
• 1:01:52
  And test the spirits. You're told to test the spirits.
• 1:01:56
  And just powerful, powerful stuff.
• 1:01:57
  Man, it is interesting to think you know a near death encounter
• 1:02:03
  to be the perspective of it because there could just be a
• 1:02:06
  bubble of experience that you were in.
• 1:02:09
  That is a mercy experience that the God of all creation is
• 1:02:13
  allowing to happen, to help open your eyes to the reality of the
• 1:02:18
  condition that you were in and and and warn you know there's a
• 1:02:22
  scripture. I forget exactly where that that
• 1:02:26
  is coming to mind. I just can't remember where it's
• 1:02:28
  at. But it talks about it is it's
• 1:02:30
  God who sends dreams in the middle of the night.
• 1:02:33
  Yeah, that's in job. Yeah, and job.
• 1:02:35
  Yeah. And I don't want to quote it to
• 1:02:37
  too bad. Here, I'll put it in the details
• 1:02:38
  in the show notes. I'll look it up when when I'm
• 1:02:40
  not actually recording and add that into the details of the
• 1:02:43
  show notes for you guys. But you know it it in a
• 1:02:46
  juxtapose, talking about scaring people into repentance in a way,
• 1:02:50
  like showing them these things that they might turn from their
• 1:02:54
  wicked deeds. And it's fascinating.
• 1:02:57
  I was not living right when I had my near death encounter,
• 1:03:00
  that's for sure. I mean, I was like 19, maybe 20
• 1:03:04
  years old. And yeah, happened late at
• 1:03:07
  night. I was at a party, so, you know,
• 1:03:08
  I fell asleep and got woken up. So yeah, definitely, you know,
• 1:03:12
  smoking and drinking and and you know, being being a a late teen,
• 1:03:17
  early adult here in the Philadelphia area, I was just
• 1:03:20
  going with the culture, man. So it scared me.
• 1:03:23
  And the PTSD from that really, I feel like it's stole years of my
• 1:03:27
  life. But as I look back on it, you
• 1:03:30
  know, I'm, I'm 35 now as I'm looking back on this stuff,
• 1:03:33
  Josh, I'm going. It felt like it robbed years of
• 1:03:36
  my life from me in my immaturity.
• 1:03:39
  But I'm starting to realize that through that process that God
• 1:03:42
  allowed to happen actually restored more life unto me.
• 1:03:46
  It's like helping me redeem the time lost because now you have
• 1:03:50
  fear and trembling before the Lord.
• 1:03:51
  I'm actually seeking, you know, to be a good steward of the
• 1:03:55
  word, working out my own salvation with fear and
• 1:03:57
  trembling. Being a Berean, looking into
• 1:03:59
  these topics and being unashamed.
• 1:04:00
  I can't tell you how much lack of support this podcast still
• 1:04:04
  has but had, especially in the beginning.
• 1:04:07
  It was so hard to get churches and friends and family to
• 1:04:10
  understand what I was doing. Their life Rocker man.
• 1:04:14
  What are you? Talking about and I made a
• 1:04:16
  couple, a couple statements to him.
• 1:04:18
  Like, guys, someday I'm going to travel and I'm going to talk
• 1:04:21
  with famous people and we're going to have conversations and
• 1:04:23
  go places that you guys are scared to whisper about near the
• 1:04:27
  fire, the campfire. And they couldn't.
• 1:04:30
  And now it's like they're kind of watching and they're like,
• 1:04:32
  oh, yeah, it's kind of growing, isn't it?
• 1:04:34
  Whoa, what's happening? All glory to God.
• 1:04:37
  Amen. Don't.
• 1:04:38
  Underestimate what his calling is for you and bro, you said so
• 1:04:41
  much. That's just triggering me
• 1:04:43
  emotionally that I feel like, man, it's going to, it's helping
• 1:04:47
  me, so it's going to help other people.
• 1:04:49
  But just powerful, powerful stuff, man.
• 1:04:52
  And this, this is organic. You know what I mean?
• 1:04:55
  Like, I had an idea of things I would ask coming into this, but
• 1:04:58
  This is why I love to let the spirit lead and just make an
• 1:05:01
  organic conversation. Because yeah, there's cool
• 1:05:04
  topics. And yes, there's things I I
• 1:05:06
  really want to ask you that I think will be helpful in light
• 1:05:10
  of what is kind of resurfacing right now information wise.
• 1:05:13
  But this is the foundation on it.
• 1:05:15
  Sharing each other's testimonies, edifying each
• 1:05:18
  other, building onto it and and swelling the idea because
• 1:05:22
  there's things that clearly you see Josh, that are like in a
• 1:05:26
  blind spot for me. So already, just with this first
• 1:05:28
  time I was communicating, I'm going you will sharpen me.
• 1:05:31
  Don't you have a program called the Sharpening Report or
• 1:05:33
  something like? That, yeah.
• 1:05:36
  And that means a lot that really.
• 1:05:39
  It's so cool. It's so cool.
• 1:05:41
  One one of one of the biggest compliments that I I've ever
• 1:05:44
  gotten was from my really good friend Donna Howell is she was
• 1:05:48
  Tom Horn's daughter and and we worked together for years at Sky
• 1:05:52
  Watch and she she said, you know Josh you're you're like the Big
• 1:05:55
  Brother. You're you're like meant to be
• 1:05:57
  like the Big Brother to the to the the Misfit church.
• 1:06:01
  And they wrote a book called Misfit And I never saw myself.
• 1:06:04
  I mean I was an only child. So I I never like saw myself
• 1:06:07
  that way. But like, you know, and it's so
• 1:06:09
  it's so important to have like good friends and stuff like that
• 1:06:12
  because it helps you see yourself in a way that you
• 1:06:14
  probably wouldn't allow yourself to even see yourself in.
• 1:06:17
  Because, you know, we, we don't want to be prideful or anything.
• 1:06:20
  But but, you know, she said that it meant so much to me.
• 1:06:22
  And I I realized when she said that I was like, I that is kind
• 1:06:27
  of what I'm doing. I I didn't intend to.
• 1:06:29
  But but with my show and stuff, 'cause I I really try, I try my
• 1:06:33
  hardest to identify with people and put myself on the same level
• 1:06:36
  as as anyone else. I I don't think I'm above
• 1:06:38
  anybody. It still blows my mind every day
• 1:06:41
  that I'm even doing what I'm doing, 'cause I mean, what a
• 1:06:44
  random person to pick. You know, for God to pick to do
• 1:06:47
  what I'm doing. I'm, I'm just, I I was just some
• 1:06:51
  geek in southeast Michigan that got bullied all the time in
• 1:06:54
  school. And like, I just, I just never
• 1:06:55
  thought I was like, I just, I didn't see this for the the
• 1:07:00
  trajectory of my life. But but that's what God does.
• 1:07:03
  I mean, he, he, he takes misfits.
• 1:07:05
  He takes people that are are the least likely to do anything.
• 1:07:10
  And the reason he does that, it's it's because it's it's him.
• 1:07:13
  He gets the glory. I couldn't.
• 1:07:15
  I could not do this. I could not do this on my own.
• 1:07:18
  I couldn't do that. I would be the Big Brother to
• 1:07:20
  nobody on my own. I before, before, before I got
• 1:07:25
  on a new age. I mean, I was a jerk.
• 1:07:27
  Like I let all of the years of bullying and I I went through
• 1:07:31
  child abuse and just hold all sorts of stuff.
• 1:07:33
  I let that grow this like anger in me, this, this resentment.
• 1:07:38
  And I became like I I I would have angry outbursts.
• 1:07:41
  I never hurt anybody, but I'd hurt myself.
• 1:07:44
  I I would take it out on myself like, like, you know, with drugs
• 1:07:47
  and alcohol like you mentioned. Oh my gosh.
• 1:07:48
  I was notorious for that. I can't believe I survived it
• 1:07:52
  because I'd be really reckless with it.
• 1:07:55
  There was just some people I wasn't very nice to.
• 1:07:57
  I wasn't honest. I mean, I I was, I was just, I
• 1:07:59
  was a jerk. I just, I was an absolute jerk.
• 1:08:02
  And and I and I totally like, at the time, I just, I hated myself
• 1:08:06
  too. I I just, I hated the world.
• 1:08:09
  I hated myself. I just, I was just sick of
• 1:08:11
  everything and I just wanted it all to be done.
• 1:08:14
  And also I like I was, I was. I was born with AI, was born
• 1:08:18
  with a bone disease. So I was mad about that.
• 1:08:21
  My my own father denied me when I was like 12 years old and he'd
• 1:08:26
  absolutely just abandoned me and said that I'm not his son.
• 1:08:28
  Not because of anything I did. He he went when it when it
• 1:08:32
  turned out that I was diagnosed with the bone disease when I was
• 1:08:36
  12 years old. My mom and dad had long since
• 1:08:39
  been divorced and he already was a deadbeat dad at this point.
• 1:08:42
  But it the doctor said I might need bone marrow.
• 1:08:46
  I didn't end up needing it. But I might need bone marrow and
• 1:08:49
  that my mom had to reach out to my dad to see if he would come
• 1:08:52
  in and donate some. And right when he heard that, I
• 1:08:55
  heard him on the phone like my mom was on the phone, I heard
• 1:08:57
  him on the phone yelling and screaming at her.
• 1:08:59
  That's not my son. I'm not doing anything.
• 1:09:01
  I'm not. And it was because he was scared
• 1:09:03
  to go get AI mean yeah, bone marrow test sucks, but it's not
• 1:09:06
  like I'm not you're not going to deny your kid over it.
• 1:09:09
  But but he did. And so all of this stuff that I
• 1:09:12
  had growing up I was just angry about.
• 1:09:15
  I had so much anger and resentment and and it it it
• 1:09:19
  really, I mean I I allowed it to destroy me.
• 1:09:22
  So for God to take somebody like that and then put that person
• 1:09:27
  and and and shape that person into what I am now, I don't take
• 1:09:31
  credit for any of that. Because I would be dead.
• 1:09:34
  Like if if I was left to my own devices, I'd be dead without a
• 1:09:37
  doubt. So God does that.
• 1:09:40
  He'll take the least likely. So then we don't praise that
• 1:09:44
  person, we praise the God that that that caused that to happen.
• 1:09:48
  So I mean 100% of the credit goes to God.
• 1:09:50
  I take none of the credit. I'm just along for the ride and
• 1:09:53
  I'm just, I'm blessed to to even be able to do it.
• 1:09:57
  So I mean if there are people out there that you're just in a
• 1:10:00
  really rough spot in life, do not give up.
• 1:10:03
  Give your life to Jesus and see what he might do with you that
• 1:10:06
  you know, it doesn't mean that you're, you know, not
• 1:10:08
  everybody's going to be on TV and stuff, but maybe if you even
• 1:10:10
  get one person saved, if you even get saved, Oh my gosh,
• 1:10:14
  angels are praising God in heaven, you know, for you.
• 1:10:18
  So there you you, you. I think people get like that
• 1:10:22
  because they feel alone and they don't realize you do have a
• 1:10:25
  home. You have a home with the church,
• 1:10:26
  especially if you're a Christian.
• 1:10:27
  And if you're not you can join anytime.
• 1:10:30
  You just put your faith in Jesus and you got, I mean you got a
• 1:10:32
  whole brotherhood and sisterhood here just waiting to help you
• 1:10:36
  out and and and be your friend. So I, you know, hopefully if if
• 1:10:41
  somebody's listening that's in that spot, I was in it too.
• 1:10:44
  I get it. But it's not forever.
• 1:10:47
  It doesn't have to be forever, and you don't have to let it be
• 1:10:50
  forever. I I didn't realize it till
• 1:10:51
  coming out of it. Once I came out of it and look
• 1:10:53
  back, I I saw, you know, I I did that.
• 1:10:55
  I I allowed all of the bad things to to corrupt me.
• 1:11:00
  What I should have did was use all those things and realize,
• 1:11:04
  oh, that's bad. I'm not going to be like that.
• 1:11:06
  And I should have used that to make me stronger, that that's
• 1:11:09
  that's what we're supposed to do with bad things like that.
• 1:11:11
  But I didn't. I didn't really have my head
• 1:11:14
  around that until I started getting getting into the Bible
• 1:11:17
  and and reading how Jesus talks about this stuff and all of the
• 1:11:20
  many lessons. I mean, throughout the Bible,
• 1:11:21
  God always uses the misfit. Always.
• 1:11:24
  So if you're a misfit out there, hey man, there's there's a lot
• 1:11:27
  of hope for you. There's there's a lot of hope,
• 1:11:30
  an eternal amount of hope for you.
• 1:11:33
  I'm feeling hopeful. And yes, this.
• 1:11:36
  Is true, it's. Amazing.
• 1:11:40
  It's amazing. And I'm I'm rambling.
• 1:11:42
  But you you feel free to take the conversation wherever you
• 1:11:45
  want. I believe that this is what this
• 1:11:51
  is what is supposed to get captured and go out there today.
• 1:11:55
  I believe that how this is going to resonate with with one or or
• 1:12:01
  two or male or female, doesn't matter.
• 1:12:04
  Doesn't matter what country you're in if you're here in the
• 1:12:06
  States, if you're in Australia, Germany, hearing this is going
• 1:12:11
  to help connect the puzzle piece together about your value, your
• 1:12:15
  worth, who God says that you are, and the testimonies you've
• 1:12:21
  heard from Josh and even just a little bit of myself about how
• 1:12:25
  God uses the lowly things to confound the wise and how he's
• 1:12:32
  got a plan. The script, the word says I have
• 1:12:34
  plans to prosper you, not to harm you, to give you a hope in
• 1:12:37
  the future. We just have to make sure we're
• 1:12:38
  coming to him correctly. Listeners, make sure that we're
• 1:12:42
  repenting. We're acknowledging my way is
• 1:12:45
  not working out. I'm gonna call on the name that
• 1:12:48
  is above every name. I'm gonna see what this is all
• 1:12:50
  about. Some of you may be getting
• 1:12:52
  tormented by spirits, by sleep paralysis, by demoniac within
• 1:12:57
  your homes or within your mind. Just being demonized in the way
• 1:13:00
  that you think you may be looking at the world going.
• 1:13:03
  I don't have a positive outlook on things.
• 1:13:06
  I Why do I always tend to look to the negative?
• 1:13:08
  Maybe you can't forgive somebody who hurt you when you were a
• 1:13:10
  kid. Listen, there is one name that
• 1:13:15
  can start this journey, the faith journey.
• 1:13:17
  Because if he's the author and finisher of our faith, do not
• 1:13:21
  despise where he has you now. Cry out to him and let him do
• 1:13:24
  what it is. He's he does it like literally.
• 1:13:28
  He's molding clay. So let's cry out.
• 1:13:30
  God mold me, Father. God make me for a display of
• 1:13:36
  good works. Change me.
• 1:13:39
  Mold me. Josh, I loved what you said
• 1:13:40
  about. I won't take no credit for this
• 1:13:43
  because that's how I feel. I look at my past, what I had
• 1:13:47
  been through, how I was raised, all the stuff that got us slowly
• 1:13:50
  and still changing, believe me, by no means into into a state of
• 1:13:54
  completion. I see this thing continuing on
• 1:13:57
  and and this is the power of our testimony.
• 1:14:01
  So for whoever out there needed to hear this, you know what?
• 1:14:04
  Send me an e-mail if this resonated with you to the point
• 1:14:07
  where you felt like, man, I needed to hear this one today.
• 1:14:11
  Look, I love the topics of, you know, Bigfoot and dog, man and
• 1:14:15
  CERN and all this different. Like there's a place for that.
• 1:14:17
  We're not saying that's not important, but sometimes we got
• 1:14:20
  to get real and we got to testify and encourage another
• 1:14:24
  brother or sister to come forward because the word says if
• 1:14:29
  you belong to him, ain't nothing can snatch you out of his hand.
• 1:14:34
  Height, not depth, no demon, no alien, no doctrine, no time, no
• 1:14:39
  trauma, no betrayal can snatch you out of the hand of the
• 1:14:42
  Father. So I am trusting that being led
• 1:14:46
  by the spirit in this conversation and what we've
• 1:14:49
  captured today is for you who's listening out there right now,
• 1:14:53
  and you're worth it. You're worth the time invested.
• 1:14:56
  You're worth the production of this thing.
• 1:14:58
  You are worth more than I even have an idea.
• 1:15:04
  But come taste and see that the Lord is good.
• 1:15:07
  Josh. Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  I love I loved how this thing unfolded for us, man.
• 1:15:13
  And me too. It just this is refreshing.
• 1:15:16
  I literally my I feel risen in my spirit right now.
• 1:15:19
  I just feel like God is pleased with this conversation.
• 1:15:23
  Me. Too I I I really feel it.
• 1:15:25
  Deep. It's deep.
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  I feel the anointing on this one, brother.
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  I I do too. Absolutely.
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  Man. So I'm going to read a quick
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  piece of scripture right here in First Timothy 4.
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  I'm going to start at 12. Let no man despise thy youth,
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  but be an example of the believers in Word and
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  conversation and charity and spirit and faith and purity till
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  I come. Give attendance to reading, to
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  exhortation, to doctrine. Neglect not the gift that is in
• 1:15:55
  thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of
• 1:15:58
  hands by the to elders, and meditate upon these things.
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  Give thyself wholly to them, that thy profiting may appear to
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  all, and take heed unto thyself and unto the doctrine continuing
• 1:16:12
  them. For in doing this thou shall
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  boast save thyself and to them that hear it, you guys, get in
• 1:16:19
  your Bibles again. Let's make reading the Bible not
• 1:16:23
  only cool because it is cool, but but let's make it what it
• 1:16:27
  is. The life giving word that
• 1:16:29
  changes, man. Josh, this is the miracle.
• 1:16:31
  You ready? God is changing the hearts and
• 1:16:35
  the minds of people. The pill didn't do it.
• 1:16:38
  The economy didn't do it. The money didn't do it.
• 1:16:40
  But God is changing slowly calling his flock back in.
• 1:16:44
  So man, as we, I guess we're going to start to wind down a
• 1:16:47
  little bit. But let's just recap, you know a
• 1:16:49
  little bit on this conversation and I want to have you back in
• 1:16:52
  the future and just pick out some other ideas that you know
• 1:16:56
  just some topics in mind that I feel like are going to become a
• 1:17:00
  big deal for people. But we are laying a foundation
• 1:17:03
  right now building rapport and just inviting the listeners to
• 1:17:06
  come and be you know be the stage of this, this episode,
• 1:17:09
  this is for you guys today. But Josh, talk a little bit
• 1:17:13
  about, you know, the over cap of OF and what God's doing in your
• 1:17:19
  life right now. I know you talked about where
• 1:17:21
  you came from, what things used to look like.
• 1:17:23
  Let's let's just talk a little bit about what God's doing in
• 1:17:25
  your life right now. I want to talk about your
• 1:17:27
  transition. You had moved recently.
• 1:17:31
  God is answering some prayers and there's some prayer requests
• 1:17:34
  I believe that you and your family have.
• 1:17:36
  So let's just kind of go there and see what happens.
• 1:17:38
  Sure. Yeah.
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  So for those not familiar, I was at Sky Watch TV for seven years
• 1:17:45
  and and this is you know this goes to what you're you said
• 1:17:49
  you're you're never really done. You're never really done until
• 1:17:51
  you exit this earth. You're always a work in
• 1:17:53
  progress. When your time comes to stand
• 1:17:57
  before the the Lord and you hear those you hear those words you
• 1:18:00
  know job well done, thou good and faithful servant.
• 1:18:04
  Then then you're done. You know that then you're
• 1:18:06
  glorified. You're good but but while you're
• 1:18:10
  here on earth you are always a work in progress.
• 1:18:14
  And so right now what God is doing I don't know because this
• 1:18:20
  too I thought. I thought Sky watch was it.
• 1:18:23
  I thought Sky watch all right that I'm I'm I'm going to live
• 1:18:26
  and die here like this this is this is what God wants for me.
• 1:18:31
  And then out of nowhere out of nowhere it was it was just it
• 1:18:35
  was time it was time to it was time to move on to something
• 1:18:38
  else. And I and it wasn't it was it
• 1:18:41
  was 100% of God thing. I wasn't really even thinking
• 1:18:46
  about it. I I wasn't I wasn't like trying
• 1:18:49
  to get out. You know there wasn't any weird
• 1:18:52
  things behind the scenes at Sky Watch or anything like that.
• 1:18:55
  I mean we were we were every everything was just fine.
• 1:18:59
  I was I was even you know able to work from home which I really
• 1:19:03
  liked because I'm super introverted and IA lot of people
• 1:19:07
  actually get surprised to hear that because I I speak on stage
• 1:19:10
  and stuff. But it's it's different like I
• 1:19:12
  can be on stage and speak in front of 3000 people and I've
• 1:19:14
  done that before and that doesn't make me nervous at all.
• 1:19:18
  But if I'm like at a get together and I have to go mingle
• 1:19:21
  with people, Oh my gosh, I just, I'd so much rather just be home
• 1:19:27
  or like not like one-on-one. And it's not like I genuinely
• 1:19:31
  love people. It's not the people I just get
• 1:19:33
  anxious. I have like this crazy social
• 1:19:36
  anxiety stuff. So, so I was, I was set.
• 1:19:42
  I was like, I get to work from home.
• 1:19:44
  I don't really have to interact with anybody.
• 1:19:46
  I can, I can just take interviews as I can do my
• 1:19:48
  documentaries, write my books. Like I I was good.
• 1:19:51
  I was going to ride that out till God calls me home.
• 1:19:55
  But God had other plans in mind and just out out of nowhere.
• 1:20:00
  And I don't expect that this is even going to be the last time
• 1:20:03
  this happens because that that took me by such surprise, you
• 1:20:06
  know, coming over here to Igby Ministries.
• 1:20:10
  I can't. I definitely can't say that I'm
• 1:20:12
  just going to be here forever. Now.
• 1:20:13
  Like I don't know. That's going to depend totally
• 1:20:16
  on God. I don't particularly like
• 1:20:18
  moving. I don't, you know, the whole
• 1:20:21
  hassle of it. I don't like it.
• 1:20:22
  You know, it's it kind of be nice to just settle in one place
• 1:20:25
  but I can't say for sure that this is it.
• 1:20:27
  But so anyway, it was definitely a call from God and and I had
• 1:20:32
  known. So for those not familiar, Igby
• 1:20:37
  Ministries is run by Zach Drew and I've known Zach for a long
• 1:20:41
  time so some people might recognize him on Jim Baker.
• 1:20:46
  He was a Co host on there for a long time and then he went over
• 1:20:51
  to True News before things got well that's a whole other thing
• 1:20:55
  before things got really crazy over there.
• 1:20:57
  But but he's he's doing his own thing now and you know he has
• 1:21:00
  the Zach Drew show. Well, I had known him for a few
• 1:21:03
  years and we've we've done some ministry stuff kind of here and
• 1:21:06
  there together. But but he he ended up needing
• 1:21:13
  his, his it was just his his whole ministry was just him and
• 1:21:17
  one other guy and that other guy had to move and there was some
• 1:21:23
  there's some family stuff going on or something.
• 1:21:24
  But but he he was in need of somebody else that could do all
• 1:21:28
  like the editing and all of the stuff that I know how to do.
• 1:21:32
  And at first he just called me to ask if I just knew of
• 1:21:34
  anybody. And I said, no, I don't, I
• 1:21:37
  don't, I don't know. I'll, I'll, you know, keep my
• 1:21:40
  ear out. But I, I don't really know
• 1:21:42
  anybody in the Decatur area. And then he, he was like, he's
• 1:21:47
  like, you know, I would ask you, but I know you're with Sky
• 1:21:49
  Watch. I was like, yeah, I am.
• 1:21:51
  And and at first it just kind of ended with that And then but
• 1:21:57
  what I had forgotten is that for like months before that.
• 1:22:01
  And and my wife does not do this often but every time she's done
• 1:22:04
  this, she's been right. And it's not her.
• 1:22:06
  It's God. It's God guiding her but for for
• 1:22:09
  like two or three months before this she said you know Josh I
• 1:22:11
  just really feel like I she's like I'm not putting ideas in
• 1:22:16
  your head. I just I just feel like I feel
• 1:22:18
  like you're going to you're going to do some big things
• 1:22:20
  you're going to get some more opportunities and and I was like
• 1:22:24
  well I'm I might get opportunities but I'm here at
• 1:22:27
  Sky Watch and I can't really think of any other place I'd
• 1:22:30
  really want to be so so I you know I just I just look at it
• 1:22:35
  just the nice thing she was saying but but she's done this
• 1:22:39
  two other times before and she's been right every single time.
• 1:22:43
  Well when that. So I told after I got that phone
• 1:22:46
  call I I told Christina I was like well Zach Drew offered me a
• 1:22:49
  job and she's like oh really. And I said yeah I turned it down
• 1:22:55
  but you know it was like he he didn't directly offer me a job
• 1:22:58
  but I I know, I know that if I told him that I was up for it he
• 1:23:01
  would he would definitely take me and she's like well what's
• 1:23:05
  the job you know what what are what are all the details and
• 1:23:08
  everything. I said I don't know we didn't we
• 1:23:09
  didn't really talk that much about it.
• 1:23:12
  I said you know I offered to do some work remotely for him.
• 1:23:16
  You know stuff that I can just do here and and on off hours and
• 1:23:19
  make some extra money but and just to help him out but so so
• 1:23:25
  that like I but from that though I just I I could not get it out
• 1:23:30
  of my head and that's not that's not like the first time I've
• 1:23:33
  turned down a job offer I mean there there have been people
• 1:23:36
  that have wanted to hire me and stuff and it's just it just
• 1:23:38
  wasn't right or just didn't. I just I just wasn't tempted by
• 1:23:42
  it at all like it and not anything negative about those
• 1:23:46
  people. I was just happy where I was at
• 1:23:47
  and I felt like that's where God wanted me but but yeah for the
• 1:23:50
  for the for a couple of months before Zach called Christina was
• 1:23:53
  kind of feeling it. I sort of was too.
• 1:23:56
  But I'm I'm a late bloomer, bloomer with this stuff.
• 1:23:59
  So it's great. It's great.
• 1:24:03
  Yeah. So Christina was like, well, we
• 1:24:04
  need to pray about it. So I said, yeah, OK, no harm in
• 1:24:08
  that. I'll I'll, I'll entertain it
• 1:24:09
  enough to pray about it at least.
• 1:24:12
  And so I prayed about it and I I just, it was nagging in my head.
• 1:24:16
  I could not get it out of my head.
• 1:24:17
  I just could not get it out of my head.
• 1:24:19
  And I started to really feel like God wanted me to to take
• 1:24:24
  that job offer. And so I I I prayed and I said,
• 1:24:27
  God, you know me. I am dense as all get out.
• 1:24:31
  I need this to be so obvious that I could not possibly make a
• 1:24:35
  mistake. Like I need it to be like we
• 1:24:38
  have to do this or we're not going to have a place to live or
• 1:24:41
  something. Like it's got to be something so
• 1:24:42
  drastic. And and I and I told and you
• 1:24:45
  know, when I was praying, I said, you know, it's not you,
• 1:24:47
  God, it's me. Like I'm always like petrified
• 1:24:50
  just because of my past. I don't want to misconstrue
• 1:24:53
  something you're doing and then think that it's something that
• 1:24:56
  it's not. And I don't want to make a
• 1:24:57
  mistake. I'm fallible.
• 1:24:59
  You're not. But Lord, if you, if you want me
• 1:25:00
  to move to Decatur, IL and go work with Zach and I will
• 1:25:05
  absolutely do it. And very Long story short, but
• 1:25:09
  through through many many very obvious signs, he showed me that
• 1:25:13
  that's what he wanted to do. That's what he wanted me to do.
• 1:25:15
  So. So it was kind of heartbreaking.
• 1:25:18
  I wrote this long e-mail to Tom and this was like, right before
• 1:25:22
  he died, which man, that that that was tragic.
• 1:25:26
  I Tom was like a father to me. I mean, he really took me under
• 1:25:31
  his wing. And like, I mean, he was a
• 1:25:33
  mentor and a friend. And so this was not very long, a
• 1:25:37
  couple of months before he died. But at that time, I mean he was,
• 1:25:41
  he was fine. He seemed healthy.
• 1:25:44
  And so I emailed Tom Horn and I wrote this, like, kind of
• 1:25:46
  heartbreaking e-mail and said, you know, I love you.
• 1:25:48
  I love everybody here. I love you so much.
• 1:25:50
  It's just this is, this is a God thing.
• 1:25:52
  And I can't really see a way out of it now.
• 1:25:54
  I mean, you know, I feel like if I don't take it, I'm.
• 1:25:57
  I'm like disobeying God at this point.
• 1:26:01
  And he totally understood. He was like, he was like, oh,
• 1:26:04
  no, you hey, by all means. And actually since I started
• 1:26:07
  there and I forgot about this, Christina reminded me there were
• 1:26:10
  a lot of times where Tom said, you know, I I really hope for
• 1:26:13
  you that Skywatch is just a stepping stone to to something
• 1:26:17
  bigger. And he's like you stay here as
• 1:26:19
  long as you want. But I'm hoping, you know, I'm,
• 1:26:21
  I'm, I I just, I think that this is going to be a stepping stone
• 1:26:24
  for something bigger. And I forgot that he had told me
• 1:26:26
  that a couple times. And when he did, I was like,
• 1:26:28
  well, how do you get more than this?
• 1:26:29
  Like, I'm at Skywatch. How do you get like, how do you
• 1:26:32
  like what else is there? Like I'm at the top like that.
• 1:26:34
  You know, that's what I was thinking.
• 1:26:36
  But you know, thinking of it in terms like that, you know, at
• 1:26:38
  the top and you know that that's like the wrong way to think.
• 1:26:40
  It's like where where's God going to use you best?
• 1:26:44
  And so I I think, like, I started to feel like, wow, like
• 1:26:47
  my my time at Sky Watch is is winding down.
• 1:26:49
  Like it's it's coming to an end. And I did.
• 1:26:52
  I never expected that. So Tom totally understood.
• 1:26:55
  He's like yeah, you know what we'll still we'll still publish
• 1:26:57
  your books. We could still you know we maybe
• 1:27:00
  we can even still do documentaries if you have time.
• 1:27:02
  But sounds like this could be a deal where everybody benefits
• 1:27:05
  and he was just super optimistic about it and but that that was
• 1:27:08
  Tom. I mean he he was just the most
• 1:27:10
  pleasant guy to be around and and so we we one of one of the
• 1:27:16
  things one of the signs was I was like you know Lord how are
• 1:27:20
  we going to sell this house? Because nobody was buying houses
• 1:27:23
  at the time. Well Derek Gilbert, he, I I
• 1:27:27
  called him because he he's one of my best friends in the world
• 1:27:30
  too. And like, I I I wanted to talk
• 1:27:33
  to him because I really look up to him and I wanted to talk to
• 1:27:35
  him before I made any real decisions because it's like man,
• 1:27:40
  like I didn't have a dad. But if I if I had a dad I would
• 1:27:42
  want him to be like exactly like Derek Gilbert.
• 1:27:44
  Like that that I I'm so blessed because even though my father
• 1:27:49
  denied me when I was young I have I have so many father
• 1:27:51
  figures now like more than I know what to do with it.
• 1:27:53
  And I I'm just like my art is so full for these people.
• 1:27:56
  So I yeah, I, I I had to call Derek and talk to him and I'd
• 1:28:00
  laid it all out and we just kind of talked and went back and
• 1:28:03
  forth and and and stuff and you know he he's Derek.
• 1:28:06
  So he's not trying to guide me towards one thing or another.
• 1:28:09
  He's just like asking really good questions and kind of
• 1:28:12
  helping me come to what I already knew was the the right
• 1:28:15
  decision and well like so that's when he heard the news.
• 1:28:20
  Well a couple days later he's like, Josh you're not going to
• 1:28:22
  believe this but I have a friend who wants to move to the area
• 1:28:27
  and she's interested in your house and I was like what?
• 1:28:31
  And then and then that same day I was like well yeah have her
• 1:28:34
  come over. That same day my my wife and I
• 1:28:37
  were leaving to go run some errands and the the house next
• 1:28:42
  door to us was being worked on on some construction company.
• 1:28:44
  The previous owners like trashed the house so it had to be all
• 1:28:47
  redone. And the the the guy pulled up
• 1:28:51
  like as we were leaving the house and he pulled up and he
• 1:28:54
  said hey, I know this might seem like a strange question, but
• 1:28:56
  would you ever consider selling your house?
• 1:28:58
  I didn't know this guy. This is just some guy that
• 1:29:00
  worked for the construction company or he was the owner of
• 1:29:03
  it or something. And I was like, actually, maybe
• 1:29:06
  I don't know that it's weird that you bring that up because
• 1:29:10
  this I've been here for like 7 years and this just came up.
• 1:29:13
  But I, I, I need to, I do need to sell the house.
• 1:29:16
  But I have somebody who's interested already that
• 1:29:19
  literally 10 minutes ago I I said bring her over.
• 1:29:22
  And he's like, well, hey, can you keep me in mind?
• 1:29:25
  Because I really like this house And, you know, I, I I would buy
• 1:29:29
  it And and I was like, oh, my gosh.
• 1:29:32
  I was like, OK, So that to me was one of those, like, obvious
• 1:29:34
  signs like nobody sells a house that easy.
• 1:29:37
  I mean, it was like no work at all.
• 1:29:39
  The the lady that bought it paid cash.
• 1:29:42
  I mean, there was just, it was just easy.
• 1:29:44
  The whole process was easy. So at that point it was pretty
• 1:29:48
  obvious that God was setting stuff up.
• 1:29:50
  So then then I came here and now now I've been here for, oh,
• 1:29:54
  about six months and I love it. Zach is an awesome person to
• 1:29:58
  work for. I mean it is it it he doesn't
• 1:30:01
  even like. I respect him as a boss, but he
• 1:30:03
  also doesn't seem like a boss because we're friends.
• 1:30:05
  It just feels like like we're just two friends that get to
• 1:30:07
  work together and do ministry stuff, so.
• 1:30:09
  That's. Amazing.
• 1:30:10
  And I I I would never, not now because the sky watch thing.
• 1:30:14
  I would never say like this is it for me.
• 1:30:16
  Like I'm here now forever. I I've always got to leave the
• 1:30:19
  door open for what God wants to do and he maybe he wants to do
• 1:30:24
  something, maybe not. But where Wherever he wants to
• 1:30:27
  take me, whether it's here or somewhere else or whatever, I'm
• 1:30:30
  just along for the ride. And I'm just blessed to be a
• 1:30:32
  part of it. So that that's kind of the the
• 1:30:35
  background story of what the whole move was about and kind of
• 1:30:38
  where where I'm at with it now. That's amazing.
• 1:30:44
  Yeah. Those who are the sons of God
• 1:30:45
  are led by the Spirit. And one one of the common things
• 1:30:48
  is we're always going to get the nudge before something like that
• 1:30:51
  happens. I can testify to that in my life
• 1:30:55
  in in a couple different ways and that that's fascinating that
• 1:30:58
  God was using your wife to kind of plant the seed and then you
• 1:31:03
  know the opportunity and just everything.
• 1:31:05
  The way that came down in Skywatch.
• 1:31:07
  I love those guys over there. Absolutely.
• 1:31:09
  Talked with Derek Gilbert years ago.
• 1:31:12
  Drew Graffia when he was on. And I just there's there's no
• 1:31:18
  other place quite like what they do there at Skywatch.
• 1:31:21
  That's for sure. It's a family.
• 1:31:23
  It's it's amazing. Yeah.
• 1:31:25
  It's so cool. And then to see that God has
• 1:31:29
  showed you. You know, hey I'm going to
• 1:31:33
  change some things around and and move you place and and how
• 1:31:37
  that built this willingness now for you to say things like God
• 1:31:40
  I'm along for the ride. What are you doing, Lord?
• 1:31:42
  Like what What that that is. Oh that's so important that
• 1:31:46
  that's such a big deal because his ways are higher than our
• 1:31:50
  ways. His thoughts are higher than our
• 1:31:51
  thoughts. Yes, He's given us his word.
• 1:31:53
  Yes, we have, you know, diversity of different gifts and
• 1:31:56
  things that we're we highlight and we understand.
• 1:31:59
  But I believe God's going to do something a bit unique and
• 1:32:02
  different in this chapter to come, and I really think it's
• 1:32:06
  going to take all of us by surprise what actually ends up
• 1:32:10
  happening and how God decides to sweep the floor.
• 1:32:14
  Because what does the word say, Josh, If the enemy comes in like
• 1:32:17
  a flood, the Lord will raise up a standard against him.
• 1:32:20
  And I think there's a body standard coming.
• 1:32:23
  I think this is the body. I don't see one man or one
• 1:32:25
  organization or one ministry heading what God is going to do.
• 1:32:29
  I see it as a body thing, a wave that is coming where literally
• 1:32:34
  the body of Christ, diversity of gifts with one spirit, one mind
• 1:32:38
  and one baptism are all going to be firing on all cylinders.
• 1:32:41
  And we're going to see what the Book of Acts look like.
• 1:32:45
  But but surpassing that in this day and age we live in, I
• 1:32:48
  believe that's what's coming. I've heard it prophetically.
• 1:32:51
  I've had just the Lord impressed things upon my heart.
• 1:32:54
  But I also, you know, I've been slowing down and being like man,
• 1:32:58
  the process in the journey is important.
• 1:33:00
  You know, going through the fire to be on fire, that's important.
• 1:33:04
  Getting out of your comfort zone, that's important.
• 1:33:06
  And believe me, I'm not just saying that from a cute
• 1:33:08
  standpoint. That is my life.
• 1:33:10
  I live on the edge of the Cliff. There's so many uncertainties
• 1:33:14
  right now. But I have a confidence.
• 1:33:16
  I will boast in the Lord my God. I will boast in what He can do,
• 1:33:20
  who he is and what his plans are because me not much cool stuff
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  going on with with me, myself and I over here, but him?
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  Oh, that's a whole nother story. Hey man.
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  Josh Man, I love it, bro. Yeah, so I want you to come back
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  whenever you have time, bro, and I want to get into some other
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  topics. I want to do a bit of a deep
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  dive in the future on just some things that you've already laid
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  down. But this one right here is, is
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  close to my heart. And I appreciate your time, man.
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  Plug yourself in. Yeah.
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  Thank you so much. Plug in where you can be found
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  and and tell us, you know, one book that you feel like is let
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  me do it like this. Actually plug in where you can
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  be found and then close this out with what you believe is the
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  most important message for the millennial generation today.
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  Oh man. OK, so people can My website is
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  daily renegade.com and just hearing that website is the most
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  important message for people today.
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  No, I'm just kidding. You heard it, folks.
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  Dailyrenegade.com I do host the show called The Sharpening
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  Report. Sometimes it's just me.
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  Sometimes we have guests on. So we recently had on LA
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  Marzulli, Gary Wayne, Ken Johnson and then I just recently
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  did one and and so that's on that's on YouTube rumble
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  Facebook it's it's kind of everywhere but but because of
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  the censorship the the rampant censorship I created daily
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  Renegade so people can go there and get full episodes.
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  So there are things that I just can't talk about on YouTube
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  because they will shut me down. I mean I've had entire channels
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  deleted over this. So in response to that I I
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  created a, you know a kind of streaming website which is daily
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  renegade.com. And and right now we're going
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  through Wix and I'm not, I'm not a super big fan of of Wix and
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  just they're just how how they're running things like how
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  they're running the website it it people can watch stuff.
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  But we're going to be moving over to you screen which I think
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  is going to be a lot better fit for what we do.
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  So there are big, big things coming and really excited about
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  it. And then the most important
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  message for millennials today, I guess just to kind of reiterate
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  what, because I'm a millennial too.
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  Like I'm, I'm barely on the edge of it.
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  I'm, I'm, I'm going to be 40 in a few months.
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  I can't believe it. But I guess the the biggest
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  thing is like, you know the whole world is constantly
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  beating everyone down. I mean especially today with how
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  politicized everything is and it's really, really easy to
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  become angry and bitter. It's really easy to see the
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  world. Everybody in the world wants you
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  to believe that you're the good guy and your group is the good
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  guy and then everybody else is the bad guy and evil.
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  Now there is objective truth and there is objective evil.
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  So sometimes that's true. But don't listen to the world
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  that's telling you that. The world is trying to tell you
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  that because they want to sell you stuff and they want you to
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  stay at home and stay on your phones all day, doom scrolling,
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  because that's how they get money through their ads.
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  That that is really all it is. All of the messaging.
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  I mean of course the negative messaging is all demonically
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  driven. But but on the human side, again
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  kind of what we talked about earlier, the human side, they
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  don't care about you. You know I, I, I stopped
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  watching the news. I mean I'm I'm like I'm I'm as
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  conservative as they come. You know I'm but I and like I
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  like what The Daily Wire and stuff.
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  Like I like what they do but I had to stop watching it.
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  Like I had to stop because it's like man I am a conservative.
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  I really am. But it really seems like all
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  this is is just reaction to the next crazy thing that happened
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  and here's reaction to the next crazy thing and aren't we angry
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  about that And and like and we do need to react we do need to
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  speak up and and speak truth and and they're doing good work.
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  It's it's just for me it was it was it was bittering my heart it
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  was it was making me like really jaded against people that I need
• 1:37:30
  to be praying for. It was it was getting me to to
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  not see. It was getting me to see the
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  the, the dreaded leftist as just pure enemy and not as a lost
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  soul. I mean it was it was really
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  destroying me and I I had to stop.
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  So I I would just encourage people like these people.
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  They're not your enemy. Go, go read Ephesians 6 again.
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  We know who our enemy is. It's it's spiritual.
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  Our enemy is not other people on this earth.
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  Those are lost souls. Those are actually prisoners of
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  war, of a war that they don't even know they're in.
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  They're prisoners of a war They don't even know they're in.
• 1:38:04
  We are, we are what is life. We are engaged in a spiritual
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  battle 24/7. Even the non believers,
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  especially the non believers and and they're prisoners of that
• 1:38:14
  war that they don't even recognize as there.
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  And So what? What's our response to?
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  To be angry at them and spit at them and and fight them and
• 1:38:22
  argue like no. Our response should be to go out
• 1:38:25
  and give them the gospel and then let them decide if they're
• 1:38:28
  going to accept it or not. And if they're not, fine, shake
• 1:38:31
  the dust off your feet and go go on to the next one.
• 1:38:34
  But our job is to give them a choice and then pray, pray,
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  pray, pray, pray for them and and realize it's not your job to
• 1:38:42
  to to convince them. The Holy Spirit will convince
• 1:38:45
  them you you could, you could give somebody all the logic in
• 1:38:47
  the world and it's not going to make any bit of difference if
• 1:38:49
  that person just isn't going to listen to the Holy Spirit that's
• 1:38:52
  trying to, you know, convince them to give them this choice.
• 1:38:55
  So don't worry about not being read enough or don't worry
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  about, like, not not having all the answers.
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  None of us are going to have all the answers.
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  Have the, you know, the truth. You know who Jesus is and you
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  have humility. You know do it in humbleness,
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  even if it's especially if it's uncomfortable.
• 1:39:11
  And again, this is coming from the most introverted person in
• 1:39:13
  the world. I I don't.
• 1:39:15
  I as a human being, I don't like doing this.
• 1:39:17
  Like I don't. I don't like going out and and
• 1:39:20
  talking to strangers about Jesus but we have to we just we have
• 1:39:23
  to that's part of the that's the Great Commission.
• 1:39:25
  Like we have to do it when the opportunity is there you got to
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  do it. And so even though it's
• 1:39:29
  uncomfortable, but that person will actually have a greater
• 1:39:32
  chance of respecting you more for it because they can tell,
• 1:39:35
  you know, they they can tell you're not trying to be show
• 1:39:37
  offy and make it a big thing and, you know, make it into a
• 1:39:40
  YouTube video where oh, so and so mega pastor preached to the
• 1:39:44
  Satanist at this gay pride parade and you know, he's just
• 1:39:46
  doing it for views and it like they they, you know, and I'm not
• 1:39:50
  saying nobody, like, I'm not saying people can't get saved
• 1:39:52
  through stuff like that. But it's just when I see that,
• 1:39:54
  it's like, why did you film it, though?
• 1:39:56
  It's like when people film themselves feeding homeless
• 1:39:58
  people, it's like, OK, you're the Pharisee that you got your
• 1:40:00
  reward in this life. Like you got your views.
• 1:40:03
  That's your reward. So.
• 1:40:05
  So when you when you step out in humility and actually talk to
• 1:40:09
  somebody when there really is nothing to gain for you
• 1:40:12
  personally, they'll see that there there will be something in
• 1:40:15
  there, even if they don't listen to you.
• 1:40:16
  Even if they make fun of you, even if they beat you up.
• 1:40:19
  Like, there's still something in there where they there.
• 1:40:21
  There's a piece in there that they can't deny that you were at
• 1:40:24
  least being genuine. You were genuinely coming to
• 1:40:27
  this person out of love because you don't want to see that
• 1:40:30
  person in hell. You love that person even if you
• 1:40:33
  don't like anything about them. Like even if you don't like any
• 1:40:35
  of the things that they believe and stand for.
• 1:40:38
  So I I want, I I would really love especially millennial, the
• 1:40:41
  millennial generation because hey, we're we're getting older.
• 1:40:44
  We're now all the Big Brothers. We're the Big Brothers to to the
• 1:40:48
  next generation down. And we have to pave the path.
• 1:40:50
  We have to show the way. And it's going to be
• 1:40:53
  uncomfortable and it's going to be weird, but we have to do it
• 1:40:56
  because if we don't, the next generation won't and it'll just
• 1:40:59
  get less and less and then the whole world's going to hell at
• 1:41:01
  that point. Yeah, I guess I don't really
• 1:41:04
  know how to end it, but I guess that's that that that would be,
• 1:41:08
  that would be my my message to the millennial generation I
• 1:41:12
  guess. I love tearing your heart on it,
• 1:41:15
  man. Thank you.
• 1:41:16
  And it's true. And this is where we're at, you
• 1:41:19
  guys. And this is the end of this
• 1:41:21
  episode. So I'm going to ask you guys, as
• 1:41:23
  listeners to share this episode. I don't care how you share it by
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  word of mouth, send it in an e-mail, a text message.
• 1:41:30
  Just share this episode with your friends, Family member, Co
• 1:41:34
  worker with your pastor. Yes, share it with him and we're
• 1:41:38
  coming to you from southeastern Pennsylvania.
• 1:41:40
  God bless and goodbye. Man, I loved it.
• 1:41:55
  And. Got me on Cloud 9.
• 1:41:56
  I am too honest and not anything with you or your show.
• 1:42:00
  It's just long form interviews. I was kind of dreading it
• 1:42:03
  because well I haven't done one in so many years and like I've
• 1:42:06
  just I'm used to like the 2830 format now for TV and I thought
• 1:42:10
  man I am out of practice. I don't know if I'm going to be
• 1:42:12
  any good and you know just all that self doubt stuff so you do
• 1:42:16
  so yeah this this is this has been an absolute blast this has
• 1:42:19
  been a lot of fun. I'm I'm really glad we.
• 1:42:21
  Did in old school. Yeah, we're in old school today.
• 1:42:24
  Good old fashioned audio, good conversation, hashing it out,
• 1:42:28
  following the spirit, sharpening each other, bouncing these ideas
• 1:42:31
  and just edifying each other music.