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Brandon Luckett | Athletes of the 2024 CrossFit Games · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  What is going on, everybody?
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  Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast.
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  where tonight we have none
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  other than the EMOM man,
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  the Southland man, Brandon Luckett.
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  What's going on, brother?
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  Not too much, man.
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  Thank you so much for having me.
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  Yeah.
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  Excited to have you on here.
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  Heard so much about you.
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  Um,
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  the circle of people I hang out with
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  seem to hang out with you,
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  but this is the first time
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  we've ever got to talk.
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  Yeah.
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  I've seen all your stuff and
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  I'm wondering whenever
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  you're going to have me on.
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  So thank you so much for
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  finally inviting me.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So, um,
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  Corey Leonard's already in the chat.
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  I'm interviewing the burgers
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  again tomorrow evening.
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  Oh, gosh.
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  My favorite family.
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  So, yeah,
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  we're going all Southland today
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  and tomorrow.
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  Love it.
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  Love it.
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  So let's talk about that first,
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  the Southland group.
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  How did that come about?
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  Just a bunch of fit dudes
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  wanting to get together and hang out?
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  So, um, like,
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  I don't know if you're too
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  familiar with like my, my past, but, um,
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  I grew up in Louisiana.
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  I grew up in Baton Rouge, uh,
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  went to high school there,
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  went to LSU through undergrad,
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  but I moved away and went
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  to Houston for two years
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  for graduate school.
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  And then went to Oklahoma
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  for two years to get, um,
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  to do my residency.
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  And then in 2021,
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  I moved back home and that
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  was after my last CrossFit
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  games as an individual.
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  And kind of decided to kind
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  of back away from competing
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  and just kind of focus on, you know,
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  learning to run the
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  business with my father
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  that he and I run together now.
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  And it was just it was a lot on my plate.
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  And so I kind of backed away
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  from competing.
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  But while I was here in the
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  first few months,
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  two separate gym owners had
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  reached out to me and they
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  didn't like they hadn't
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  talked to each other about
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  anything about me,
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  like putting on some kind
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  of camp at their gym.
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  And so I was like, well,
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  y'all both reached out to me separately.
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  I think it'd be really cool
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  if we put on like a three
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  day continuous camp where, you know,
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  we got like some high level
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  competitors to come in and
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  help coach and run it.
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  But we just invite anyone to
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  come and learn and be in
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  the environment of like,
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  you know the community like
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  we all love the competitive
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  community and the
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  competitive community of
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  crossfit is kind of special
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  in that like I think a lot
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  of us are pretty open to
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  giving advice like what
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  works for us and what
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  didn't what not and so we
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  kind of like just kind of
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  put plans together and like
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  did our first one and
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  in the winter of 21 or 22
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  and then we've kind of done
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  like a summer or fall like
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  kind of in august and then
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  another in december january
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  february um every year
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  since then and it's it's
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  grown and we've gotten a
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  little bit better at it
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  we've got a little bit more
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  value added into it uh and
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  it's just cool to do you
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  know um we try to provide
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  a lot for the the campers in
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  terms of you know like you
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  know things that they can
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  keep you know apparel gifts
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  and things like that and
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  then we try to provide a
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  ton of value you know we
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  have nutritionists and
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  mindset coaches come in we
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  have you know shelby neal
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  and alexis johnson scott
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  tetler like as many
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  athletes as we can get in
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  there like come on like
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  just come and just share as
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  much as you can with us and
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  like let's all throw that
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  down together for for three days
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  So where I first heard of it
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  was I documented Rudy
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  burgers open in 2023.
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  They got back from the winter one.
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  Yes, sir.
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  And they were telling me
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  like what an amazing group
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  of people it was and,
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  and how cool it was to hang
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  out with everybody.
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  And that if I ever had the opportunity,
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  I needed to come down and
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  document like what goes on
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  at one of those camps.
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  absolutely absolutely yeah
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  actually Lynette she
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  started helping us run them
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  like the last winter one we
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  did uh in 2024 so like you
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  know probably in February
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  or January this year she
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  came and helped run the
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  whole thing with me um and
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  so we have like a little
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  small team of people who
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  like organize it you know
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  do orders and whatnot like
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  order the stuff and like the food the
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  you know make the schedule
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  and everything and she was
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  a big part of that this
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  year and uh her her her two
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  kids and and rudy are just
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  the best love them yeah the
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  story they brought back
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  this year was um leah got
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  her first muscle up yeah
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  because of the southland
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  camp and the and the girl
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  is helping her shelby and
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  alexis helping her out with
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  the muscle up yes sir
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  So yeah, super cool.
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  I want to rewind because you
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  went through a lot of the
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  beginning of your story like really fast.
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  Yeah.
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  So you grew up in Louisiana.
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  What made you want to be a
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  medical physicist?
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  And what is that?
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  Yeah,
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  so I'll start off with like kind of
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  defining it in pretty simple terms.
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  It's not that complicated.
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  We simply work with radiation in medicine.
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  The physics side of it is like the atomic,
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  you know,
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  nuclear physics the
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  radiation side of it the
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  medical is how it's used in
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  you know in medical
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  practice and there's three
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  different kind of divisions
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  that you can kind of like
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  Broad classify them as and
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  they're like that's
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  radiation therapy where
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  you're treating illness
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  with radiation there is
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  nuclear medicine where
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  there's treatment and
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  diagnosis using uh like
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  radioactive traced um
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  metabolic agents like maybe
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  like glucose or something
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  like that that is taken up
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  in the muscles and you can
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  image you know muscular
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  function with with that um
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  but then there's also
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  diagnostic imaging which is
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  the I would say like the
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  the simplest of the three
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  fields which is you know
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  x-rays ultrasound mri
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  mammography mri uh um cts
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  So we work in diagnostic
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  imaging and nuclear medicine.
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  We wear several different
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  hats from QA in terms of
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  quality assurance,
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  making sure that the
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  systems are running as
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  they're meant to run within
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  regulations of the state
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  and federal government.
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  we work as like a liaison
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  between the hospital and
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  the governing bodies uh we
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  we do a little bit of
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  construction in terms of
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  like calculating how much
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  lead is needed in walls to
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  block radiation from you
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  know passing through the
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  walls to the adjacent rooms
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  we are radiation safety
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  officers in terms of like
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  you know making sure
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  employees are safe we do
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  calculations for fetal doses
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  like we wear a bunch of
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  different hats but it's all
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  centered around radiation
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  and medicine and and you do
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  this with your your father
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  yes sir so that's how I got
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  into it so with the so is
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  he a medical physicist as
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  well and you just followed
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  in the footsteps
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  exactly wow yep so he got
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  into it like real early got
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  a master's in nuclear
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  science um I i had to go a
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  little bit more of a formal
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  route as they kind of uh
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  standardized the field you
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  know a couple decades later
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  so I had to get a degree in
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  physics I had to get a
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  master's in medical physics
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  and then had to get a
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  residency a two-year
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  residency after my master's
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  that I'd be eligible for
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  board certification so that
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  I could go and practice
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  Um, but yeah,
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  the only reason I did it was
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  because my dad did it, loved his job and,
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  uh, just wanted to be like him, you know?
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  So it sounds like there's a
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  lot of calculations and like formulas.
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  So is, is it,
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  you do have a deep math background?
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  Yeah, I was pretty,
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  I probably could have
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  gotten a math major in
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  undergrad and physics is
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  inherently math oriented.
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  Math is, I mean,
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  you can go theoretical with math,
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  but in terms of physics,
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  most of it's very much
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  applied to how things actually function.
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  And a lot of those can be
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  kind of mapped through
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  mathematical equations.
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  And so like, you know,
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  if you've ever interviewed
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  like Alexis Johnson, she's the math PhD.
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  I'm a physics masters.
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  They're kind of the same thing,
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  just applied differently.
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  Yeah, that was my next question.
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  You guys were teammates last year.
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  Does any of that come into
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  play in strategy or is
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  competition a completely
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  different animal?
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  So I would argue that Alexis
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  Johnson's brain works much
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  more on the mathematical
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  side than mine does.
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  I wouldn't say I'm exactly
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  gifted and my brain doesn't
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  work quite just naturally in that realm.
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  I'm more of a broad scope individual.
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  I'm not very detail-oriented.
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  so when it comes to
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  strategizing I kind of play
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  by by feel and uh
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  experience and not so much
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  by like you know looking at
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  the details of the numbers
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  and the paces and like this
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  is what I need to do to
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  attain this you know I kind
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  of I kind of have learned
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  over the years just based
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  off of feel and heart you
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  know yeah and then
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  So we're going to bounce all
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  over the place just because
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  that's how my brain works, right?
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  Same.
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  So last year at semis,
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  I was there in Pasadena.
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  You were with your Franco's team.
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  And that was one of the most
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  epic team battles I've ever
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  witnessed in person.
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  Yeah, it's pretty exciting.
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  It was pretty much a
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  three-way tie for that weekend.
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  You guys ended up winning that overall.
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  Yes, sir.
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  What...
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  Being a part of something
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  that tight and that epic,
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  do you feel that on the weekend?
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  And when it's done,
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  is there a different
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  feeling than just like a normal comp?
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  yeah absolutely and
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  especially with team um
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  there there are two
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  completely different
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  feelings after success as a
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  team like with a team
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  versus as an individual and
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  I've been on like both
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  sides of that um and
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  winning on a team
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  especially when like the
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  race is that tight and like
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  you know kind of that that
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  you feel like all that
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  pressure as an individual on your team
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  like when the team succeeds
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  like it's it's very
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  exciting and like you're
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  stoked for your team and
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  like you you I would say
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  like so like the way I
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  explain it with team versus
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  individual is I like on an
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  individual basis when you
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  win and you have success
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  you have a lot of pride in
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  what you've done but like
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  the excitement is very minimal actually
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  on the team side of things
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  whenever you have success
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  your your excitement is
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  almost tenfold but like
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  your individual proudness
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  is is kind of uh minimized
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  because like there's three
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  other people that had to do
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  their job as well and so
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  you're more proud of like
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  your teammates and you're
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  excited with your team and
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  so like that's it's
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  completely different
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  dynamic in terms of like
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  how you feel post
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  competition because like
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  the excitement with team is is magnified
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  The way you guys jumped on
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  each other at the end of that competition,
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  knowing you pulled off the win,
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  the euphoria was palpable
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  in that arena at that time.
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  And one of my favorite
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  memories from competition last year.
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  Yeah, it was definitely memorable.
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  Like I remember running to that,
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  that worm and then crossing
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  the finish line.
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  Like, dude,
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  those other teams were on our tails.
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  And like, I think we,
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  I think we were actually
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  like not winning that event
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  and going into that last
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  set of squats or burpees.
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  And so when you just see
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  your teammates pull through and like,
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  you know, exceed all expectations,
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  like it's, it's amazing.
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  It's awesome.
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  Yeah.
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  So your other teammates, Logan and Shaylin,
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  are they different?
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  You and Alexis have this analytical brain.
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  Shaylin's a law enforcement officer,
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  FBI agent, would run through a wall.
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  Oh, 100%.
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  Right.
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  And then you have Logan.
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  What are their personalities
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  in comparison to you guys?
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  Yeah.
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  Man,
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  Alexis and Shaylin were like this duo
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  of just energy, right?
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  like joking all the time
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  like laughing all the time
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  loud um almost like almost
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  to the point of like
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  obnoxious just like their
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  energy was so high and then
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  logan is like so quiet and
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  chill and then I'm just
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  like somewhere in the
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  middle of of those two um
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  groups but it was I think
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  it was like a great balance
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  because like we just we
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  worked really well together um
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  i think as a whole shaylen
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  and logan and myself I
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  think we were like a gritty
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  team as a whole alexis by
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  far had the most analytical
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  brain but like I think we
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  were all just so willing to
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  suffer for each other and
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  that made the the season
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  really fun the perception of logan is
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  And I have a best friend
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  that is like this when we compete.
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  Tell me where to be, and I'll be there,
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  and I got you.
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  100%.
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  Yeah, that's the perception he gives off.
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  Yeah.
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  And he's an insane competitor as well.
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  He's just been in the sport for so long,
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  and I think his experience is so high.
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  His depth of talent is massive.
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  He shows up on game day,
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  and he's just ready to go.
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  so the big question is what
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  the hell happened at the
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  games I I don't think we
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  ever told anybody what what
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  happened at the games um
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  Alexis either had flu or
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  covid uh was extremely sick
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  and I mean we didn't tell
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  anybody because it didn't
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  really matter like we had
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  to go compete but um like
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  she was on Dayquil she was
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  on Nyquil she was on a
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  z-pack like trying to get
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  through this um like I
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  walked into their room and
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  she's in a sweater and
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  sweatpants and the heater is on
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  like yeah she was she was
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  bad off and like her
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  attitude through the whole
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  weekend was just amazing
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  and on top of that in one
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  of our events she like she
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  had like I mean she tweaked
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  with like her shoulder and
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  was struggling on like
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  muscle ups and like every
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  event after that
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  And so, I mean,
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  it was probably from the
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  fatigue of being sick where she was just,
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  you know,
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  fighting for dear life the whole weekend.
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  But I remember on the first event,
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  which was the ski legless
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  rope climb and overhead squat event.
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  she and I were partners on
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  the synchronized overhead
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  squats and dude I remember
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  on the first set of
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  overhead squash it's like
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  looking into her eyes and
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  they were like they were
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  big her her face was pale
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  like her lips were like
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  like blue and white and I
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  was like oh no like this is
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  gonna be such a long
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  weekend for her but dude
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  like she had so much heart
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  and just fought the whole
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  weekend that like I mean I
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  couldn't have been more proud
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  So let me ask this question.
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  Your team suffers through a
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  weekend like that, right?
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  For someone who's willing to
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  fight through all of that,
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  does that make you closer as a team?
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  100%.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I think it's less so about
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  the result at the end of
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  the weekend and more so
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  about what you see your
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  friends lay out on the floor, dude.
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  like I mean we could have
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  taken a top five and if any
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  of our teammates hadn't put
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  their heart and soul out on
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  the field like you would
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  have been a little bit
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  disappointed but we took it
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  like a 12th or 11th or
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  something and the the team
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  fought so damn hard it's
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  like dude you couldn't be more proud
• 16:31
  Yeah,
• 16:31
  because after seeing you guys at West
• 16:33
  Coast or whatever it was called that year,
• 16:37
  like, man,
• 16:38
  I thought you guys were poised
• 16:39
  to fight for the podium.
• 16:41
  yeah I think we would have
• 16:43
  had a shot but you know the
• 16:46
  team the events are are
• 16:48
  structured in a way that
• 16:49
  like weaknesses are showed
• 16:51
  and you know take one
• 16:54
  teammate who's fighting you
• 16:57
  know vomiting and you know
• 17:00
  fevers and everything and
• 17:01
  just aches and chills and
• 17:03
  you should do your best man
• 17:06
  I don't know what other sports you watch,
• 17:07
  but I've been watching the
• 17:08
  Olympic trials.
• 17:10
  Those people fight for one
• 17:11
  shot every four years.
• 17:14
  To trip in an 800 meter and
• 17:16
  to lose your shot at the
• 17:18
  Olympics because of a trip,
• 17:22
  it's so brutal.
• 17:23
  Sports are brutal.
• 17:25
  Yeah.
• 17:28
  You learn a lot about your
• 17:29
  character as an individual
• 17:31
  if you pay attention to it through sports,
• 17:33
  for sure.
• 17:36
  Yeah.
• 17:37
  So speaking of sports,
• 17:38
  we're going to go back again.
• 17:39
  Any sports growing up?
• 17:42
  Yeah.
• 17:43
  The biggest sport that I
• 17:44
  played was or participated
• 17:46
  in rather was wrestling for
• 17:48
  eight years from fifth
• 17:49
  grade all the way through high school.
• 17:53
  And that was like once I got
• 17:54
  into high school and got
• 17:55
  pretty serious with it,
• 17:56
  like that was everything I thought about.
• 17:59
  Um, I did run cross country as a freshman,
• 18:02
  quit that to just focus on wrestling.
• 18:05
  My senior year,
• 18:05
  I got pulled into the swim
• 18:06
  team like midway through the season.
• 18:08
  So I swam for half a season.
• 18:10
  But other than that, dude, I just,
• 18:12
  I just wanted to be on the mat.
• 18:15
  It's funny.
• 18:15
  Cause one of the first
• 18:16
  interviews I ever did was Chris Spieler.
• 18:19
  And he said that,
• 18:20
  that wrestling puts you in
• 18:22
  positions where you have to suffer and
• 18:26
  and get out or find a way
• 18:28
  out or just live in that pain.
• 18:30
  And that helped him so much
• 18:32
  in his CrossFit career.
• 18:33
  Yeah, 100%.
• 18:36
  I think wrestling is a
• 18:37
  unique sport when you look
• 18:38
  at it as a whole.
• 18:40
  You don't have to look at
• 18:41
  just a single wrestling match,
• 18:43
  which is extremely humbling.
• 18:47
  You can't blame anybody, right?
• 18:51
  And it's such like a...
• 18:54
  So it's like a gritty sport
• 18:55
  because you're legitimately
• 18:58
  hand-on-hand combat, more or less.
• 19:00
  You're not throwing kicks
• 19:02
  and punches or anything,
• 19:03
  but you're hand-on-hand
• 19:04
  combat with another individual.
• 19:06
  Just you two.
• 19:08
  And the mental battles you
• 19:10
  play with yourself of when
• 19:12
  the going gets tough,
• 19:13
  do you want to quit or do
• 19:14
  you want to fight or...
• 19:16
  When you're down on points,
• 19:17
  are you going to fight
• 19:18
  through the last round?
• 19:19
  Are you going to give up and
• 19:20
  just let the guy take it?
• 19:21
  Are you going to let him embarrass you?
• 19:23
  Are you going to pick yourself up?
• 19:27
  Take that out of it,
• 19:28
  which is a huge part of it, but
• 19:31
  the discipline you go
• 19:32
  through in terms of like
• 19:34
  cutting weight um which is
• 19:37
  massive like to go to bed
• 19:39
  hungry is really hard um to
• 19:42
  to cut water weight for you
• 19:44
  know 24 hours before a
• 19:45
  weigh-in and like your
• 19:47
  mouth's dry and you're in a
• 19:48
  sauna and you're barely
• 19:49
  sweating anymore because
• 19:50
  your body's just kind of
• 19:51
  got nothing left you can't
• 19:53
  sleep at night because your
• 19:54
  body's the hormones are so
• 19:56
  out of whack um
• 19:58
  And you gotta go, you know,
• 19:59
  you go weigh in, it's like, and you're,
• 20:01
  you're watching what you're eating for,
• 20:04
  for six months,
• 20:05
  like that kind of mental
• 20:07
  discipline translates over
• 20:09
  into everything after it massively.
• 20:12
  Um,
• 20:13
  and so like the mental side of it is just,
• 20:16
  if you like dive into it
• 20:18
  and like you're mentally tough human,
• 20:19
  like it just,
• 20:20
  it translates over all over.
• 20:22
  Um,
• 20:23
  and I think that's really cool about
• 20:24
  Ruffling.
• 20:26
  I don't think there's any
• 20:28
  kind of mistake that some
• 20:29
  of the best CrossFitters
• 20:30
  are wrestlers and gymnasts.
• 20:33
  Because both are forced to cut weight.
• 20:35
  Both are forced to suffer through things.
• 20:39
  And it just proves that
• 20:40
  you're capable of doing
• 20:41
  hard things on any given day.
• 20:44
  I think that you can
• 20:46
  extrapolate that to sports
• 20:48
  where you don't have to be
• 20:50
  a talented human to succeed.
• 20:54
  So there is a level of
• 20:56
  talent and athleticism in
• 20:58
  sports such as baseball, basketball,
• 21:00
  even football,
• 21:01
  where I wouldn't succeed at
• 21:03
  those sports because I'm
• 21:04
  not an extremely athletic
• 21:06
  or coordinated human.
• 21:08
  But take wrestling and you
• 21:11
  emphasize your strengths as
• 21:15
  an athlete and minimize
• 21:17
  your weaknesses as an athlete,
• 21:18
  just like we do in CrossFit.
• 21:20
  so like in wrestling I
• 21:21
  wasn't the fastest or the
• 21:22
  most powerful or the
• 21:24
  strongest guy but I had
• 21:26
  flexibility I had an engine
• 21:28
  and I had like a grittiness
• 21:29
  about me where like I just
• 21:30
  kind of never gave up and I
• 21:32
  made myself successful on
• 21:34
  the mat and uh like I think
• 21:37
  sports like that where you
• 21:38
  can take like an not
• 21:40
  necessarily most talented
• 21:41
  human and create like an
• 21:43
  insane athlete I think I
• 21:45
  think those are super cool sports
• 21:48
  Yeah,
• 21:49
  and those are the athletes I
• 21:50
  appreciate the most.
• 21:52
  That's the athlete I was.
• 21:53
  You know, I was that guy that,
• 21:55
  like I was a swimmer.
• 21:56
  I did other sports growing up,
• 21:57
  but swimming was my main sport.
• 21:59
  And, you know, I would get private lessons,
• 22:02
  and the coach would be like, man,
• 22:04
  you have all the heart and
• 22:05
  all the work ethic.
• 22:06
  If you just had the talent of X,
• 22:09
  you'd be awesome.
• 22:10
  You'd be an Olympian.
• 22:12
  I always got that, like, told to me.
• 22:14
  But you don't, and so you're probably not.
• 22:16
  Yeah.
• 22:18
  Yeah.
• 22:18
  There, there,
• 22:19
  there is a level in all
• 22:20
  sports of gift and talent for sure.
• 22:23
  Um, but I,
• 22:25
  I love the athletes who just
• 22:27
  work their asses off.
• 22:28
  I don't care how talented you are, dude.
• 22:29
  I want to see you just suffer through it,
• 22:32
  you know, put the work in.
• 22:33
  I love that.
• 22:35
  Yeah.
• 22:36
  I think that's why I like
• 22:36
  Colton Mertens is so popular, right?
• 22:38
  Yeah.
• 22:39
  I love him.
• 22:39
  I love his mindset.
• 22:40
  I love his vibe.
• 22:41
  Like what do you like kind of stands for?
• 22:43
  I think he's one of the most
• 22:45
  incredible athletes, dude.
• 22:47
  And another wrestler.
• 22:49
  Yep.
• 22:50
  Yep.
• 22:52
  So there is a really big
• 22:53
  correlation there.
• 22:55
  So was it always LSU for you
• 22:57
  growing up in Louisiana?
• 22:59
  In terms of like loyalty to sports?
• 23:01
  Or going to school there?
• 23:04
  No.
• 23:05
  Um, honestly,
• 23:07
  I wasn't the best student in high school.
• 23:11
  Uh,
• 23:11
  like I wasn't going to get a
• 23:12
  scholarship anywhere on academics.
• 23:15
  Um, my brother went to Tulane.
• 23:17
  He was incredibly intelligent human.
• 23:20
  Um,
• 23:20
  he actually just finished his
• 23:22
  fellowship in ocular
• 23:23
  plastics as a surgeon.
• 23:25
  So he's finally moving home
• 23:26
  after 16 years postgraduate.
• 23:29
  Like, uh, but, uh,
• 23:36
  I wanted to go to Tulane to
• 23:37
  be like my brother and I
• 23:38
  got waitlisted there.
• 23:40
  Probably only waitlisted one
• 23:42
  because he went there and
• 23:43
  two because I lived in Louisiana.
• 23:45
  And so like I ended up going
• 23:47
  to LSU on like in-state
• 23:49
  tuition just because
• 23:50
  honestly I had in high
• 23:53
  school I had no ambitions
• 23:54
  to be an academic and I
• 23:57
  wasn't a great student.
• 23:59
  And so it just was LSU.
• 24:03
  And then it clicked in
• 24:04
  college where academics
• 24:06
  became more important.
• 24:09
  And then you went to
• 24:11
  Oklahoma next or Houston, Houston.
• 24:14
  Yeah.
• 24:15
  So, uh, yeah.
• 24:16
  And in high school,
• 24:17
  I wasn't a great student.
• 24:18
  I just,
• 24:19
  I loved wrestling and focused on that,
• 24:20
  which is, you know, I, I, I say like,
• 24:23
  I only thought about LSU.
• 24:24
  Like there were some
• 24:25
  colleges who wanted me to go wrestle and,
• 24:28
  but looking past college and
• 24:31
  wanting to be a physicist
• 24:32
  like whenever I made that
• 24:33
  decision I was like there's
• 24:34
  no doing wrestling and
• 24:36
  getting a degree in physics
• 24:37
  like those two aren't gonna
• 24:39
  there's those aren't gonna
• 24:39
  pan out together um
• 24:41
  especially the way that
• 24:42
  like I just kind of was
• 24:43
  obsessed with wrestling
• 24:46
  And so after like,
• 24:47
  after wrestling in high school,
• 24:48
  after state, like the season was over,
• 24:50
  I just went and did a few
• 24:53
  out of season tournaments
• 24:54
  just to like burn myself
• 24:55
  out and like over train for them,
• 24:56
  crush myself and like burn myself out.
• 24:59
  And so I was okay like
• 25:01
  putting that sport away.
• 25:03
  And like that summer,
• 25:04
  like I had made the
• 25:05
  decision like just to
• 25:08
  switch the effort that I'd
• 25:11
  put in to sports in high school.
• 25:13
  to pour all of that effort
• 25:16
  into academics and so like
• 25:18
  that summer I went to
• 25:19
  physics camp at lsu for
• 25:21
  like a couple weeks uh like
• 25:23
  I had tutors every semester
• 25:26
  I studied with all the
• 25:27
  smartest kids in class
• 25:29
  like I didn't party I didn't
• 25:30
  drink I never went to the
• 25:31
  bars like I didn't do any
• 25:32
  of that I did crossfit
• 25:35
  analytical affiliate
• 25:36
  started coaching there and
• 25:37
  I studied for for four
• 25:39
  years and I would say like
• 25:41
  in in high school I was
• 25:42
  like a low 3.0 student um
• 25:45
  and I graduated in physics
• 25:47
  at lsu which has an insane
• 25:49
  physics program with like a 385.
• 25:52
  And then went to MD Anderson in Houston,
• 25:55
  which is the top one in two
• 25:59
  schools for medical physics in the world.
• 26:02
  So I definitely switched my
• 26:07
  mental state there of what
• 26:08
  I poured myself into.
• 26:12
  Yeah.
• 26:13
  It's so funny.
• 26:14
  I can relate to that.
• 26:15
  You did better in high school than I did.
• 26:16
  I was like a two, six, two, seven guy.
• 26:18
  And then end up graduating three,
• 26:22
  six with my undergrad and three,
• 26:25
  eight masters, I think.
• 26:27
  Yeah.
• 26:27
  I mean, it clicked in college.
• 26:30
  and it's not that like it's
• 26:31
  not that like you just
• 26:32
  started retaining
• 26:33
  information better so you
• 26:34
  just put in more time and
• 26:36
  like more effort like oh
• 26:37
  like if I can put in the
• 26:38
  time like I'll make the
• 26:39
  I'll make the changes and I
• 26:40
  like the work ends up
• 26:42
  paying off most of the time
• 26:43
  not always but most of the
• 26:44
  time uh your buddy corey
• 26:46
  says physical camp what a
• 26:47
  nerd he already knows I'm a
• 26:49
  nerd dude he talks to me
• 26:50
  all the time he knows I'm a nerd
• 26:52
  um and then just some a
• 26:54
  couple comments uh kipping
• 26:56
  at reels in here uh sucking
• 26:58
  on an ice cube ptsd uh as a
• 27:01
  wrestler yeah dude cutting
• 27:04
  weight and sucking on ice
• 27:05
  cube just to not have a dry
• 27:08
  mouth a cotton mouth uh and
• 27:11
  then cory says I do
• 27:13
  brandon's programming can
• 27:14
  confirm he loves to watch us suffer
• 27:18
  When it comes to programming,
• 27:20
  I'm almost more on the side
• 27:21
  of I like the mental
• 27:27
  suffering of difficult training pieces.
• 27:30
  And that's not to say you
• 27:31
  should beat yourself up every day,
• 27:33
  but whenever you can tell
• 27:34
  your body to just keep moving,
• 27:39
  it translates over into
• 27:40
  competition pretty massively, I think.
• 27:44
  Yeah.
• 27:45
  So we're going to get into
• 27:46
  that in a second because I
• 27:47
  want to talk about EMOM in more depth.
• 27:51
  So you graduate and you said
• 27:52
  you found CrossFit at LSU.
• 27:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:56
  Not at LSU,
• 27:57
  but while I was going to school.
• 27:59
  Okay.
• 27:59
  Yeah.
• 28:00
  So that's where you started.
• 28:02
  Did you ever think you were
• 28:03
  going to compete in that?
• 28:04
  And when did the competition bug start?
• 28:07
  So it's funny.
• 28:08
  Well,
• 28:08
  I got into CrossFit because of my
• 28:10
  brother.
• 28:10
  He was doing CrossFit in
• 28:12
  college with his roommate, Chad Becknell.
• 28:16
  And when I was wrestling,
• 28:18
  he would come home to visit
• 28:20
  and he would make me do
• 28:21
  some Metcons for wrestling.
• 28:24
  And I remember they would hurt pretty bad,
• 28:26
  doing wall balls and burpees and stuff.
• 28:29
  then after wrestling like
• 28:31
  there was a couple month
• 28:32
  period where I was just
• 28:34
  kind of exercising just
• 28:36
  aimlessly um I always
• 28:37
  exercise on my own like I
• 28:38
  love running I love
• 28:39
  calisthenics and stuff like
• 28:40
  that and uh he brought me
• 28:43
  over to do a crossfit class
• 28:44
  at red stick crossfit in
• 28:45
  baton rouge and it was
• 28:47
  kettlebells and double
• 28:49
  unders which I couldn't do
• 28:50
  double unders of course
• 28:52
  And it was like the whole
• 28:54
  vibe of like the energy of
• 28:56
  a CrossFit class was like, dude,
• 28:58
  I was hooked.
• 28:59
  Cause it was like, it was,
• 29:02
  it was like that competition feel.
• 29:04
  And like, after like I was spent,
• 29:06
  I was sweaty.
• 29:07
  I was like out of breath.
• 29:08
  Like I got beat by like
• 29:10
  everyone in the class.
• 29:11
  And I was like, I was pretty fit.
• 29:14
  And I was like, dude, I love this.
• 29:16
  I'll never compete, but I want to like,
• 29:18
  I'll come do classes.
• 29:20
  You'll never compete is what you said.
• 29:21
  Yeah.
• 29:22
  yeah I mean dude like
• 29:23
  whenever I made the
• 29:24
  decision to stop wrestling
• 29:25
  I was like all right
• 29:25
  competition's out like it's
• 29:27
  all school and work and
• 29:28
  like that's what I'm doing
• 29:29
  so like I'm just gonna do
• 29:30
  CrossFit to stay fit and
• 29:32
  like it fed that
• 29:33
  competitive bug that I
• 29:34
  needed and uh that next
• 29:38
  year I'm pretty sure I went
• 29:39
  to to regionals on a team
• 29:42
  and so for a few years I
• 29:44
  was on regionals as a team
• 29:46
  and in 2017 I went to
• 29:48
  regionals for the first
• 29:49
  time as an individual
• 29:52
  And a year later, you made the games.
• 29:54
  Yes, sir.
• 29:57
  So you make it to the games.
• 30:01
  I don't know.
• 30:03
  Was it 48 back then?
• 30:05
  40?
• 30:06
  I can't remember.
• 30:08
  It was 40.
• 30:08
  Okay.
• 30:11
  And you finished 36th.
• 30:13
  So not the ideal finish at the games.
• 30:15
  No.
• 30:17
  No.
• 30:18
  did that give you a chip
• 30:19
  that you wanted to do better or how did,
• 30:22
  how did that feel after that?
• 30:24
  Man, it's,
• 30:26
  that's a loaded question with
• 30:28
  everything that was going
• 30:29
  on with me that year.
• 30:31
  Okay.
• 30:32
  So I would say the immediate
• 30:36
  feeling after the games was like, dude,
• 30:38
  I was so upset.
• 30:39
  And it's so crazy to say
• 30:41
  because going into that year, I was like,
• 30:42
  all I want to do is qualify
• 30:43
  for the games.
• 30:44
  That is my dream.
• 30:45
  I want to qualify once and
• 30:46
  just say I made it.
• 30:48
  And I don't care if I come in last.
• 30:49
  I just want to be there.
• 30:51
  then you go and qualify and
• 30:53
  you come in like you know
• 30:55
  second to last because I
• 30:56
  think only 38 people
• 30:58
  finished the games that
• 30:59
  year and so really I was
• 31:01
  like third to last um and
• 31:04
  like you're comparing
• 31:05
  yourself all those people like wow I was
• 31:08
  i did terribly when you're
• 31:09
  the top 40 in the world you
• 31:11
  compare yourself to the top
• 31:12
  40 and you like do that
• 31:14
  like I was so upset I was
• 31:15
  like I'm gonna be back like
• 31:16
  I'm gonna I'm gonna make
• 31:17
  this different um I want to
• 31:19
  come like actually have some success
• 31:22
  And then a week later,
• 31:25
  I take boards for medical physics.
• 31:28
  A week after that,
• 31:29
  I take my finals for my summer classes.
• 31:34
  Failed my boards.
• 31:35
  Had stomach ulcers for a
• 31:37
  couple months just from stress.
• 31:41
  Tried training.
• 31:41
  I felt terrible in the gym.
• 31:44
  And I was like, F this.
• 31:46
  I'm so done with competing.
• 31:48
  Because I told myself I would never let...
• 31:51
  crossfit get in the way of
• 31:54
  of my work of my school and
• 31:56
  here it is like I failed
• 31:57
  boards so I was like screw
• 32:00
  it like I'm not doing this
• 32:01
  anymore took the year off
• 32:03
  passed my boards again like
• 32:04
  took them again like a few
• 32:05
  months later which was
• 32:07
  totally luck because there
• 32:09
  was some issue with the the
• 32:11
  testing system and usually
• 32:12
  I would have had to wait a
• 32:13
  whole year but I got to
• 32:14
  take them in december that
• 32:16
  year instead of waiting
• 32:17
  until august again
• 32:19
  passed them got into
• 32:21
  residency and moved to
• 32:23
  oklahoma and I was I was
• 32:24
  like okay like everything
• 32:25
  panned out and it's okay um
• 32:28
  but I still had no idea of
• 32:29
  like competing again until
• 32:30
  alexis johnson pulled me
• 32:32
  back in you know it's funny
• 32:35
  you say that because I was
• 32:36
  listening to a podcast
• 32:37
  today with missy franklin
• 32:40
  and katie hoff who are olympic swimmers
• 32:43
  and how they both feel like
• 32:46
  they never met their expectations.
• 32:49
  Missy Franklin,
• 32:50
  who won five Olympic gold medals,
• 32:52
  doesn't feel like she met
• 32:54
  the expectations she was meant for.
• 32:58
  We are stupid human beings.
• 33:03
  Five Olympic gold medals and
• 33:05
  it didn't meet your expectations,
• 33:07
  so you feel like your
• 33:08
  career is a failure.
• 33:09
  Yeah.
• 33:13
  I think that's the danger of
• 33:17
  setting expectations on results.
• 33:22
  Yeah, I think that's a great statement.
• 33:25
  um I don't think the goal
• 33:26
  should be the result I
• 33:28
  think the goal should be to
• 33:30
  pour everything you have
• 33:31
  into the task that you are
• 33:32
  doing and everything you
• 33:34
  have may not be 12 hours of
• 33:37
  dedicated time per day
• 33:38
  maybe four hours a day
• 33:41
  maybe an hour maybe 30
• 33:43
  minutes um and if you have
• 33:47
  expectations of winning you
• 33:49
  know or qualifying for the crossfit games
• 33:52
  with the ability to train
• 33:54
  one hour a day your
• 33:56
  expectations are results
• 33:57
  based however the best you
• 34:00
  can do with an hour a day
• 34:01
  may not be qualifying for
• 34:03
  the crossfit games and so
• 34:04
  like yeah results based
• 34:07
  expectations are a
• 34:08
  dangerous game in my opinion
• 34:11
  Yeah.
• 34:12
  It just coincided with your story.
• 34:15
  But Alexis brings you back
• 34:16
  in after this tumultuous
• 34:18
  time from the games, the ulcers.
• 34:21
  Did the ulcers go away?
• 34:22
  Did you need any extra help with that?
• 34:25
  Did they just...
• 34:26
  yeah I had to take some some
• 34:28
  like medication to kind of
• 34:29
  deal with that like I
• 34:30
  started graying in my hair
• 34:32
  like the stress I had from
• 34:34
  that was was pretty unreal
• 34:36
  I dealt with pretty bad
• 34:37
  stress and anxiety for
• 34:38
  quite a long time um and
• 34:40
  like it manifested itself
• 34:41
  physically in a lot of
• 34:42
  different ways from stomach
• 34:44
  ulcers to I mean graying
• 34:45
  hair which I mean 29 I got
• 34:47
  quite a lot of gray um
• 34:49
  to high blood pressure like
• 34:52
  all these different
• 34:52
  physical manifestations of
• 34:55
  stress and anxiety but uh
• 34:58
  that's crazy because you're
• 34:59
  one of the fittest people
• 35:00
  in the world with high
• 35:01
  blood pressure I took
• 35:02
  medication for for a year
• 35:06
  yeah stress is an evil evil
• 35:08
  monster yeah but um I think
• 35:11
  that that's also mitigated
• 35:13
  by like a lot of internal work
• 35:17
  you can get through that for sure.
• 35:19
  So if anyone out there is
• 35:20
  dealing with stress and anxiety,
• 35:21
  you can do a lot of work internally,
• 35:24
  get through that and like
• 35:24
  the physical manifestations
• 35:26
  kind of start fading away,
• 35:27
  which is pretty dope.
• 35:29
  yeah um back to alexis she
• 35:32
  she back in sorry yeah so
• 35:35
  she texted me in september
• 35:37
  of 2020 2020 no 2019 said
• 35:41
  hey we're going team um
• 35:44
  start training and that
• 35:45
  year like the open was in october
• 35:48
  And I was like, I got time.
• 35:50
  Why not?
• 35:51
  You know,
• 35:52
  like teams a little different off
• 35:53
  the train quite as much.
• 35:54
  The pressure is not as crazy.
• 35:56
  So I started training again, did the open,
• 35:58
  had my best ever open finish,
• 35:59
  which I think is partially
• 36:00
  because a lot of the high
• 36:02
  level competitors had just
• 36:03
  competed at the games and
• 36:05
  were not in like getting
• 36:07
  back into training yet.
• 36:08
  So I finished in like 13th
• 36:10
  or something in the world.
• 36:12
  And then we went to put,
• 36:14
  put a team together,
• 36:16
  went and competed in
• 36:16
  Argentina at the South land,
• 36:20
  South fit challenge or
• 36:21
  something in Buenos Aires.
• 36:23
  We won.
• 36:24
  So we qualified for the
• 36:25
  games and then COVID happened.
• 36:27
  So no teams went to go compete,
• 36:30
  but they pulled the top 20
• 36:32
  from the open to go individual.
• 36:35
  Bless you.
• 36:36
  Thank you.
• 36:37
  So I got to compete as an
• 36:39
  individual that year based
• 36:40
  off of my open score.
• 36:43
  Okay.
• 36:43
  Yeah,
• 36:44
  and they eliminated teams altogether.
• 36:46
  Yep.
• 36:48
  Was there any hope like when
• 36:50
  Rich was going to run the
• 36:51
  comp at Mayhem or were you
• 36:53
  guys holding out hope that
• 36:54
  that would still happen?
• 36:56
  Yeah.
• 36:56
  And then as everything kind of went away,
• 36:58
  then you just had to fall
• 37:00
  back into the individual at your own gym?
• 37:02
  Yep.
• 37:03
  Yep.
• 37:05
  So now you're back in individual.
• 37:08
  You finished 23rd in 2020.
• 37:12
  And what made you sign up again for 2021?
• 37:14
  Hmm.
• 37:19
  I had fun with it I think I
• 37:20
  had a little bit more fun
• 37:21
  with it this year that year
• 37:23
  obviously a better
• 37:24
  performance I was like okay
• 37:25
  like 23rd was better than
• 37:27
  36th um it was a good time
• 37:31
  to do it because I was
• 37:32
  still just in residency so
• 37:34
  like my schedule was super
• 37:35
  fixed um so like I knew
• 37:37
  that like outside of my
• 37:38
  responsibilities I could
• 37:40
  make training happen and uh
• 37:43
  yeah I just gave it another
• 37:44
  rip for another year before moving home
• 37:47
  because I kind of figured
• 37:48
  you know moving home I'd
• 37:49
  have to like kind of put
• 37:49
  the shoes away and and
• 37:51
  focus on work and so yeah I
• 37:54
  just stuck with it for
• 37:54
  another year so that 21
• 37:57
  year you make the games
• 37:58
  again you get to go in
• 38:00
  person you finish 27th any
• 38:05
  any anxiety or anything from that
• 38:09
  yeah so that was a I was
• 38:10
  actually pretty happy with
• 38:12
  that performance based off
• 38:13
  of uh the injury that I
• 38:16
  went into it with um so
• 38:18
  2021 semis we had the
• 38:21
  snatch ladder at the West
• 38:22
  Coast Classic in in uh Las Vegas
• 38:27
  The first rep at 265,
• 38:30
  I tore my UCL in my right arm.
• 38:35
  So, like,
• 38:36
  that little tendon just came
• 38:38
  straight off the bone.
• 38:40
  I didn't finish the event.
• 38:41
  Like, I went off the floor.
• 38:43
  And I was like, dude,
• 38:44
  I don't know what I did.
• 38:44
  I can't remember that now
• 38:45
  that you say that.
• 38:47
  Yeah.
• 38:48
  Couldn't, like, every event.
• 38:50
  That was the first event of the weekend.
• 38:52
  Yeah.
• 38:53
  So, I had four more events after that.
• 38:55
  It was kind of...
• 38:57
  pretty scary like I mean I
• 38:58
  couldn't front rack a 95 I
• 39:00
  couldn't front rack a empty
• 39:01
  barbell much less 95 pounds
• 39:03
  for thrusters because
• 39:05
  bending my elbow was pretty painful
• 39:08
  couldn't do any rope climbs
• 39:09
  in in a warm-up because it
• 39:11
  hurt to hang on the rope um
• 39:13
  but then usually you're
• 39:14
  like all right I'll go see
• 39:15
  what I can do on this event
• 39:16
  you know if I have to come
• 39:18
  off the floor again it's
• 39:19
  fine but at least give it a
• 39:20
  go did well in that event
• 39:23
  um next day we started with
• 39:25
  a ruck so it didn't not too
• 39:27
  much there to be worried about
• 39:29
  But, you know,
• 39:30
  the chipper with 117 degrees
• 39:33
  was something to worry about.
• 39:35
  It may have taken your mind
• 39:38
  off the UCL for a moment.
• 39:40
  yeah but it's just you know
• 39:42
  it's like each event is
• 39:43
  like all right we're gonna
• 39:44
  take this event and see
• 39:44
  what happens um ended up
• 39:47
  qualifying um but training
• 39:50
  after that you know you're
• 39:52
  not gonna like train with
• 39:53
  the same kind of you know
• 39:55
  effort attitude that you
• 39:57
  had in competition so like
• 39:58
  I didn't snatch I didn't I
• 40:00
  couldn't front squat I
• 40:02
  couldn't really back squat
• 40:04
  not not heavy because
• 40:06
  holding the barbell on my
• 40:07
  back like getting my arm
• 40:10
  into that position hurt too
• 40:11
  bad couldn't overhead like
• 40:13
  so many things were just
• 40:14
  out of the question um and
• 40:17
  so like going into the
• 40:18
  games it was just like I
• 40:19
  hadn't touched so many
• 40:20
  things and so long that you
• 40:22
  know to finish 27th I was
• 40:24
  pretty actually happy with
• 40:26
  it's funny how the memories
• 40:27
  are flooding back now of
• 40:29
  you going through that
• 40:30
  moment because I was there
• 40:32
  and I remember you,
• 40:33
  you like getting helped off the floor.
• 40:35
  Yeah.
• 40:36
  And,
• 40:37
  and I had forgot all of that until you
• 40:39
  just rekindled that story and bam,
• 40:41
  there it is.
• 40:42
  Yes, sir.
• 40:43
  Wow.
• 40:44
  So, so you make it to the game.
• 40:46
  Yeah.
• 40:46
  27th is great.
• 40:48
  You survived.
• 40:49
  Yeah.
• 40:51
  Um, and is that after that games,
• 40:54
  is that when you started to
• 40:55
  become washed up?
• 40:57
  Yep.
• 40:59
  Yeah.
• 40:59
  Back home.
• 41:00
  Uh,
• 41:02
  moved back home, wasn't competing.
• 41:04
  My dad had gotten really sick.
• 41:06
  He got COVID at the games, was on oxygen.
• 41:09
  I had to move home from Oklahoma earlier,
• 41:12
  or earlier than I was supposed to,
• 41:14
  to start covering work that
• 41:17
  was getting pushed off
• 41:18
  because he couldn't do anything.
• 41:21
  um and so like I was done
• 41:24
  training done competing um
• 41:27
  kind of lost didn't want to
• 41:28
  do any kind of training
• 41:30
  where like I might see
• 41:31
  someone else's scores and
• 41:32
  feel bad about myself which
• 41:34
  is you know pretty you know
• 41:36
  not a great mindset to have
• 41:37
  like I was just comparing
• 41:38
  myself to everybody else
• 41:39
  all the time which is a
• 41:40
  terrible mindset to live in uh
• 41:44
  but yeah like it was it's
• 41:46
  pretty like not a I was
• 41:47
  pretty sad like losing that
• 41:49
  side of my life um and
• 41:51
  didn't really know how to
• 41:52
  channel that that energy or
• 41:55
  you know that mindset um
• 41:58
  until I started the mom company really
• 42:01
  So there's that and the
• 42:02
  Southland group all
• 42:03
  happened kind of at the same time.
• 42:05
  Yeah.
• 42:06
  And gave you a community again.
• 42:07
  It did.
• 42:08
  So let's talk EMOM before we
• 42:10
  get to this year.
• 42:11
  So you start this company
• 42:13
  and it's designed for
• 42:14
  people who don't have like
• 42:16
  all day to train.
• 42:17
  Yeah,
• 42:19
  that's what we founded it off of
• 42:20
  because that's where I was.
• 42:23
  I started training again.
• 42:25
  I would just go on like a
• 42:26
  two-mile run in the morning
• 42:27
  before I went to work.
• 42:29
  or I'd try to do a Metcon in
• 42:31
  the afternoon and I was
• 42:32
  just like comparing myself
• 42:34
  to people all the time.
• 42:36
  And then I just started
• 42:37
  doing as weird as it is,
• 42:39
  30 minute emoms where like
• 42:41
  I didn't have to compare
• 42:42
  myself to anybody else.
• 42:44
  I just compared myself against the clock.
• 42:46
  Like did I finish the workout or not?
• 42:48
  and they were insanely
• 42:50
  effective like I mean you
• 42:51
  could do pretty low output
• 42:53
  work for 30 minutes and
• 42:54
  within 30 minutes like
• 42:55
  you've done a ton of work
• 42:56
  it's just a longer time
• 42:57
  domain than we're used to
• 42:59
  um and I actually started
• 43:01
  feeling like I was getting
• 43:02
  in shape again and like my
• 43:03
  mental state was better um
• 43:06
  just because like I was
• 43:06
  doing something for myself
• 43:07
  again and like not
• 43:08
  comparing myself to
• 43:09
  everybody else and uh yeah
• 43:13
  it was just it clicked for me
• 43:16
  And so I started the
• 43:18
  Instagram account and was
• 43:19
  just putting up workouts
• 43:22
  for other people to follow.
• 43:23
  I was like, if this was working for me,
• 43:26
  maybe it'll work for other people.
• 43:28
  So we just started throwing
• 43:28
  out workouts on Instagram
• 43:31
  and it grew slowly at first.
• 43:34
  I never intended to sell it.
• 43:36
  I didn't want to sell it.
• 43:36
  I just wanted to give people
• 43:38
  some value that I found for myself.
• 43:40
  And I didn't want to be
• 43:42
  responsible for having to
• 43:43
  write us any kind of program for people.
• 43:46
  I didn't feel like I had the
• 43:47
  time or the bandwidth and
• 43:49
  just didn't want to.
• 43:52
  But it got to the point
• 43:53
  where we had enough people
• 43:54
  asking for daily workouts
• 43:56
  instead of just the one or
• 43:57
  two or three a week that I was posting.
• 44:00
  And I was like, okay, well,
• 44:01
  maybe we can try it out and see if we get,
• 44:03
  you know, 25 members or something.
• 44:07
  And so my brother-in-law and
• 44:10
  I kind of put the plan
• 44:11
  together and started
• 44:13
  putting it on Train Heroic.
• 44:14
  And we started with just
• 44:15
  like the 30-minute workout, you know,
• 44:19
  in the garage and out in under an hour.
• 44:22
  And that was,
• 44:23
  that was our mainstay program.
• 44:24
  We still have that as like our,
• 44:26
  and that is our most popular program,
• 44:28
  but it branched out, you know,
• 44:30
  into a 90 minute program,
• 44:31
  a competitive program,
• 44:32
  endurance and stuff.
• 44:34
  So we offer a lot more now, but our,
• 44:37
  our mainstay is still the
• 44:39
  30 minute session.
• 44:43
  Well,
• 44:43
  I know a lot of people who are doing
• 44:44
  it now.
• 44:45
  My nutrition coach is doing it.
• 44:48
  Corey talks about it all the time.
• 44:51
  One of my other co-hosts is
• 44:52
  dabbling with it a little bit.
• 44:55
  It's funny because the gym I go to
• 44:58
  It's not exclusively this,
• 45:00
  but they do a lot of interval work,
• 45:03
  which is essentially like EMOM.
• 45:05
  It's just EMOM 4 or EMOM 3 or whatever.
• 45:08
  And it brought a lot of fun
• 45:11
  back to working out for me.
• 45:13
  Yeah, 100%.
• 45:14
  Yeah.
• 45:16
  And my gym's owned by
• 45:18
  Christy Aramo-O'Connell.
• 45:20
  Yeah.
• 45:20
  Yeah.
• 45:21
  So that's what they do there.
• 45:23
  And I think it translates
• 45:24
  for the competitive athlete as well.
• 45:26
  You see Ariel,
• 45:27
  that's what she's doing now
• 45:28
  almost exclusively because you,
• 45:32
  you have to suffer to beat
• 45:33
  the time clock.
• 45:34
  Right.
• 45:35
  And so it translates to competition.
• 45:38
  Yes.
• 45:38
  And I love it because it's
• 45:40
  also like almost
• 45:40
  internalized competition.
• 45:43
  Yeah.
• 45:43
  You're like,
• 45:43
  it's like you against the clock, man,
• 45:44
  you and get your, like your head.
• 45:46
  And like, I love that so much.
• 45:49
  So if people are interested,
• 45:51
  they can just find you on Instagram.
• 45:52
  I know that.
• 45:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:54
  Emom Company.
• 45:55
  Yes, sir.
• 45:56
  Emom Co., right?
• 45:57
  The Emom Company.
• 45:59
  Emom Company.
• 46:00
  Yes, sir.
• 46:01
  And you're easy to find as
• 46:03
  well on Instagram.
• 46:04
  Yes, sir.
• 46:04
  You can reach out that way.
• 46:05
  And you have a website as well.
• 46:07
  Yes, sir.
• 46:09
  So there's that.
• 46:11
  Now I want to get to this
• 46:12
  year real quick because –
• 46:15
  you were washed up.
• 46:16
  You're doing your own thing.
• 46:18
  John Young says, there's no way.
• 46:21
  What brought,
• 46:22
  what brought about the shirt?
• 46:24
  Uh, honestly,
• 46:26
  whenever John Young called me washed up,
• 46:28
  dude,
• 46:29
  I had no intentions of competing as
• 46:30
  an individual.
• 46:32
  Uh, I was maybe going to do team,
• 46:34
  try to put a team together,
• 46:36
  but the end of the idea of
• 46:37
  competing as an individual actually, uh,
• 46:39
  legitimately scared me.
• 46:42
  Um, uh,
• 46:44
  It's sad to say that, again,
• 46:47
  I was just comparing myself
• 46:48
  to everybody else.
• 46:49
  The fear of putting in the
• 46:51
  time and the energy and
• 46:54
  going to compete and
• 46:55
  missing my expectation,
• 46:58
  my results-based expectation,
• 47:00
  scared the crap out of me.
• 47:05
  What would people think about if I failed?
• 47:09
  I don't want to feel like a
• 47:10
  failure and all this stuff.
• 47:12
  all this awful mindset that
• 47:14
  I had uh but something like
• 47:18
  something along the lines
• 47:18
  kind of switched and I was
• 47:19
  like I don't really care
• 47:21
  you know what the results
• 47:22
  end up being I just kind of
• 47:23
  want to see like what I'm
• 47:24
  capable of this year and so
• 47:28
  the the washed up shirt was
• 47:30
  more of just like a little
• 47:31
  bit of reminder um that like
• 47:37
  who who you know where where
• 47:39
  I was a year ago didn't
• 47:40
  really matter um where I
• 47:42
  was going really didn't
• 47:43
  matter either because like
• 47:44
  it didn't like I didn't
• 47:45
  care if anyone called me
• 47:46
  washed up like I don't mean
• 47:48
  anything to me dude it's
• 47:49
  like maybe I am but I'm
• 47:51
  gonna go see I'm gonna go
• 47:52
  see what I got you know and
• 47:55
  if I fail so what like I on
• 47:58
  wednesday I go back to work you know
• 48:01
  and so I had to put away a
• 48:03
  lot of fear and like that
• 48:04
  mindset just like constant
• 48:06
  comparison game and um for
• 48:10
  like for the first time I
• 48:11
  did it because I wanted to
• 48:13
  see what I was physically
• 48:15
  mentally and spiritually
• 48:16
  capable of and not just to
• 48:19
  you know maybe my dad will
• 48:21
  be proud of me if I qualify
• 48:22
  for the games or you know
• 48:24
  maybe my brother will be proud of me or
• 48:27
  People will think that I'm
• 48:29
  good at CrossFit if I do well at this.
• 48:32
  None of that matters.
• 48:34
  And that's where I'll be for a while.
• 48:35
  So during the season,
• 48:36
  you're killing the Open.
• 48:38
  You're killing quarterfinals.
• 48:40
  Is that like a slow build?
• 48:44
  You want to see what you can do,
• 48:45
  but it's almost like hurry up and wait.
• 48:48
  yeah it was unexpected the
• 48:51
  open performance was
• 48:52
  totally unexpected the
• 48:54
  quarterfinals performance
• 48:55
  was totally unexpected and
• 48:58
  it's we've been talking
• 48:59
  about results-based
• 49:01
  expectations like I had
• 49:02
  none and so my only
• 49:05
  expectation was like I want
• 49:06
  to see how much I can
• 49:07
  suffer on this event like I
• 49:08
  want to see what I can do I
• 49:09
  want to try to optimize it
• 49:12
  and so like I took all of
• 49:12
  that expectation of whatever out
• 49:15
  And, like, you know, as the season went on,
• 49:17
  I had more and more questions of, like,
• 49:19
  oh, dude, like, you're going to qualify.
• 49:21
  Or, like, what do you want to, like,
• 49:22
  where do you want to place at semis?
• 49:23
  Or, you know,
• 49:24
  you're going to go to the
• 49:25
  games or all this stuff.
• 49:27
  And I was like, dude,
• 49:27
  I'm not thinking about that.
• 49:29
  I'm thinking about the
• 49:30
  training session I have today,
• 49:31
  the training session I have tomorrow.
• 49:33
  Thinking about, you know,
• 49:34
  what I can do today.
• 49:36
  And, like,
• 49:36
  whenever I get to the competition floor,
• 49:37
  I'm not going to think about, like,
• 49:41
  what I it's like all I can
• 49:45
  do on the competition floor
• 49:47
  is absolutely throttle down
• 49:48
  on optimizing every event
• 49:49
  for myself I cannot control
• 49:52
  how fast the people in the
• 49:53
  lane next to me move and
• 49:56
  there are so many insane
• 49:58
  athletes and so many variables that like
• 50:01
  yes I am capable of
• 50:02
  qualifying but I have zero
• 50:04
  expectations of qualifying
• 50:06
  because I can't control
• 50:07
  that all I can control is
• 50:08
  like what's going on right
• 50:10
  now inside my body and mind
• 50:12
  and so that that's all I
• 50:13
  focused on every single
• 50:14
  event and um yeah it was
• 50:18
  stressful but it worked
• 50:20
  So for the first time you go
• 50:22
  to semis and you look
• 50:24
  across the way and there's
• 50:26
  Scott Tetlow and bill Leahy
• 50:29
  and max Krieg and all these
• 50:31
  dudes that like come hang
• 50:33
  out at your camp.
• 50:36
  Did that make the experience
• 50:37
  different this year?
• 50:39
  yeah um it was it was cool
• 50:43
  to to see so many people
• 50:44
  from our community out
• 50:46
  there um like very close friends and
• 50:52
  like whenever we first
• 50:54
  started the camp it was
• 50:55
  like you know I said we
• 50:56
  were doing this because a
• 50:58
  rising tide lifts all ships
• 51:00
  like if Scott Tetlow and
• 51:01
  Bill Leahy and Max Creed
• 51:02
  get better and we're all
• 51:03
  training together odds are
• 51:05
  that I'm going to get
• 51:05
  better as well and so like
• 51:07
  I'm not going to hide the
• 51:08
  things that have worked for
• 51:09
  me and they're not going to
• 51:09
  hide the things that have
• 51:10
  worked for them in terms of
• 51:12
  training and mindset and
• 51:13
  philosophy like we're going
• 51:14
  to share all that stuff and
• 51:16
  we're going to see what
• 51:16
  like see how good we can get
• 51:19
  And I think the results of
• 51:20
  like our tiny little region
• 51:24
  like speak for themselves.
• 51:26
  Yeah,
• 51:26
  Louisiana is now the hotbed for men's
• 51:29
  CrossFitters.
• 51:30
  I mean, dude,
• 51:31
  we had like over 10% of the
• 51:33
  competitors in the field
• 51:34
  were from our little town.
• 51:36
  Yeah, Pacific Northwest and Louisiana.
• 51:38
  Yeah.
• 51:39
  Those are like the two hotbeds right now.
• 51:42
  It's crazy.
• 51:42
  Yeah.
• 51:44
  So you get there.
• 51:47
  Was there ever a point in
• 51:48
  the weekend you felt
• 51:49
  comfortable that you were
• 51:51
  going to make the games?
• 51:52
  Or it went all the way up
• 51:54
  right until they announced your name?
• 51:56
  Yeah, dude.
• 51:57
  It was so stressful.
• 52:02
  I had to repeat to myself so
• 52:04
  much that the results are
• 52:05
  out of my hands.
• 52:06
  I've just got to do what I
• 52:08
  can and just let go of what might happen.
• 52:13
  And I never felt like I was
• 52:14
  in a position cause like
• 52:15
  going into the last event,
• 52:17
  I think I was in eighth
• 52:17
  place and I was only 20
• 52:20
  something points ahead of, of,
• 52:23
  of ninth and 20 something
• 52:25
  more points ahead of 10th.
• 52:29
  So if you make a mistake on
• 52:30
  that last event and.
• 52:33
  Which it proved could make
• 52:35
  people make mistakes.
• 52:36
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:38
  Like Cole Grieshaber was
• 52:40
  like a place ahead of me
• 52:42
  and then ended up in ninth.
• 52:43
  Like that could have been me
• 52:45
  ending up in 10th or 11th.
• 52:48
  And so like I knew that like
• 52:49
  I had to be really smart
• 52:51
  and still had to really
• 52:52
  perform on this event and
• 52:55
  just let the chips kind of
• 52:56
  fall where they would.
• 52:59
  So you make the games...
• 53:02
  Now,
• 53:02
  how do you keep the mindset when you
• 53:04
  get to Fort Worth, which actually isn't,
• 53:07
  isn't a big trip for you now, right?
• 53:09
  Is it like six and a half hours?
• 53:12
  So we're going to drive up there.
• 53:13
  Um, how did, when you get to Fort Worth,
• 53:15
  how do you keep that?
• 53:17
  Not the, it's not about the results.
• 53:20
  Yeah.
• 53:21
  So I think in years past with training,
• 53:25
  you know, once you qualify for the games,
• 53:26
  it's like, oh, like,
• 53:27
  I've got to do all this
• 53:28
  extra volume and all this
• 53:29
  extra lifting and all like all this extra,
• 53:31
  extra.
• 53:32
  And this year is the first
• 53:33
  year I'm kind of like more
• 53:35
  listening and like trusting
• 53:37
  what I've been doing and
• 53:38
  like listening to myself,
• 53:39
  like my body and mind.
• 53:42
  and letting that tell me where to go.
• 53:45
  And yes,
• 53:47
  things have changed in terms of
• 53:48
  what I'm doing.
• 53:49
  A little bit more running,
• 53:50
  a little bit more cycling,
• 53:54
  different skills that we
• 53:55
  wouldn't see in semis, quarters,
• 53:58
  or the Open.
• 53:59
  So just making sure I'm
• 54:00
  touched up on those things.
• 54:03
  but not trying to worry
• 54:04
  about like you know I see
• 54:05
  all these other people
• 54:05
  doing these crazy workouts
• 54:06
  I got to do something crazy
• 54:07
  like that because like in
• 54:09
  years past I've always I
• 54:10
  think every year I've gone
• 54:11
  to the games I've just
• 54:12
  showed up like adrenally
• 54:13
  fatigued and beat up and
• 54:15
  and burnt out and uh
• 54:18
  because I'm like I got to
• 54:19
  do what I got to do more
• 54:21
  than everybody else like
• 54:22
  that's kind of silly like
• 54:24
  what you were doing before
• 54:25
  worked pretty well.
• 54:26
  And so try not to change that too much.
• 54:29
  And then once you get out there,
• 54:31
  it's another experience
• 54:34
  that I've had is you think
• 54:35
  you're superhuman all of a
• 54:37
  sudden at the games.
• 54:38
  And you kind of throw out
• 54:41
  all the things that you
• 54:42
  learned through the year.
• 54:42
  And like, OK,
• 54:43
  everything that I've done
• 54:44
  that's worked has got to change.
• 54:47
  So now I got to go out hotter, be faster.
• 54:49
  It's like, yeah, dude,
• 54:51
  the field's a lot faster.
• 54:52
  It's a lot different than it was,
• 54:53
  but you're not Superman now.
• 54:57
  You didn't build some insane
• 54:59
  engine you didn't have before.
• 55:00
  You're not stronger than you've ever been.
• 55:03
  you still have to know yourself.
• 55:06
  So you still have to run the
• 55:07
  race that you know you should run,
• 55:11
  and you can't worry so much
• 55:13
  about what people in the
• 55:14
  lane next to you are doing.
• 55:16
  That still holds true.
• 55:18
  So Friday Night Lights has been announced.
• 55:23
  Excited about that?
• 55:23
  Because that's kind of like
• 55:25
  home field advantage for you.
• 55:26
  You train in the heat and
• 55:28
  the humidity of Louisiana.
• 55:29
  It's not that different than Texas.
• 55:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 55:33
  You ready to go outside?
• 55:36
  Yeah,
• 55:36
  I'm excited that they're doing some
• 55:37
  outdoor stuff.
• 55:38
  I was hoping they would put
• 55:39
  some stuff outside,
• 55:41
  although I figured that if
• 55:42
  they did venture out,
• 55:44
  it would have to be morning or night.
• 55:46
  Otherwise,
• 55:46
  there would be a serious safety issue,
• 55:50
  putting people throttling down 100%,
• 55:52
  redlining in 105-degree weather.
• 55:55
  There would be some pretty
• 55:56
  serious injuries.
• 55:58
  um and I think you would get
• 55:59
  pretty bad performance out
• 56:00
  of the athletes so I think
• 56:01
  it's cool that they're
• 56:02
  doing that in the stadium
• 56:03
  at night um but yeah I want
• 56:05
  to see what they give us I
• 56:07
  think the coolest part is
• 56:08
  it's a 19 000 seat stadium
• 56:11
  it's free to the public
• 56:13
  yeah yeah that'd be cool
• 56:15
  like if it's packed that is
• 56:17
  going to be like one of the
• 56:18
  biggest crowds that
• 56:19
  crossfit has performed in
• 56:21
  front of yeah that'd be dope yeah
• 56:24
  So I'm so stoked for that one.
• 56:26
  I know it's going to be hot
• 56:27
  out there even for the spectator, but man,
• 56:30
  that's going to be a good one.
• 56:32
  So we're coming up on the hour,
• 56:34
  so I want to finish up this afternoon.
• 56:36
  You got to participate in
• 56:38
  Around the Whiteboard with
• 56:40
  Peter White and Bobby Bods and Wads.
• 56:42
  Yes, sir.
• 56:44
  And spoiler alert,
• 56:45
  if you don't know who won,
• 56:47
  plug your ears for about
• 56:48
  five seconds because this dude won.
• 56:50
  Okay.
• 56:53
  I've done that show uh I've
• 56:55
  been in that seat that
• 56:56
  you're in what was it like
• 56:58
  being on there it was fun
• 57:00
  dude he sent me like the
• 57:01
  questions that he was gonna
• 57:03
  ask last night I was like
• 57:04
  bro I got no idea about any
• 57:07
  of this and so I was like
• 57:10
  all right like let me kind
• 57:12
  of see what's up kind of
• 57:13
  learn about it a little bit I mean
• 57:15
  I had some ideas of some of
• 57:17
  the other questions.
• 57:18
  They're a little bit more
• 57:20
  intuitive and whatnot.
• 57:21
  And I had a decent idea of
• 57:24
  what had been happening.
• 57:25
  But honestly,
• 57:26
  I don't watch a ton of media
• 57:28
  with CrossFit.
• 57:29
  I don't read a lot.
• 57:31
  and so I was a little bit
• 57:33
  out of the loop so I had to
• 57:34
  jump in the loop real quick
• 57:35
  make some phone calls and
• 57:36
  like get some in like some
• 57:38
  scoop so uh yeah I I was
• 57:42
  not expecting to win that
• 57:44
  and have to go back in a
• 57:45
  few weeks yeah so I
• 57:47
  actually I ended up winning
• 57:48
  two matches I made it to
• 57:50
  the finals of my quarter
• 57:53
  and ended up losing to
• 57:54
  Colton by a half a point in
• 57:56
  the finals but
• 57:59
  I guess I'll behind the
• 58:00
  curtain when he sends me the questions.
• 58:03
  So Carolyn Prevo is my cohost.
• 58:05
  I've got another cohost, Jamie.
• 58:07
  I send them the questions.
• 58:08
  I'm like, guys, any ideas?
• 58:10
  And then we kind of like,
• 58:11
  and Carolyn was on the show as well.
• 58:13
  And then we just kind of
• 58:13
  brainstorm together how to
• 58:15
  kind of come up with answers.
• 58:17
  But at the end of the day,
• 58:18
  it has to be kind of like
• 58:19
  coming from you.
• 58:20
  You have to like feel it in
• 58:22
  order to get the points.
• 58:23
  Yeah.
• 58:23
  Yeah.
• 58:23
  But at least they can get
• 58:25
  the mind rolling if you're
• 58:26
  stuck on something.
• 58:28
  Because I had to do it
• 58:28
  almost three weeks in a row,
• 58:30
  the way my episode.
• 58:32
  And the stress of that was,
• 58:33
  it didn't go to ulcer level,
• 58:37
  but it was rough.
• 58:39
  Yeah,
• 58:39
  I was a little bit nervous going into
• 58:40
  that.
• 58:40
  I was like, dude,
• 58:41
  I don't know if I'm good at
• 58:42
  debating people at all.
• 58:43
  So it went well.
• 58:45
  I'm glad.
• 58:46
  I mean, we debate stuff on our talk shows,
• 58:48
  but I was so nervous on
• 58:50
  that because you're not in
• 58:51
  control and you have 60 seconds.
• 58:54
  Yeah,
• 58:55
  that's the hard part is making a
• 58:56
  point in 60 seconds and
• 58:58
  being coherent and getting
• 59:00
  your point across.
• 59:01
  That was sketchy.
• 59:03
  You sounded so laid back and
• 59:05
  I looked at the clock and
• 59:06
  he has plenty of time.
• 59:08
  That's what I should have
• 59:09
  done is just taking my time.
• 59:11
  60 seconds is longer than you think,
• 59:13
  but the 20 goes super fast.
• 59:14
  the 20th there and it's gone.
• 59:17
  Yeah.
• 59:19
  Like I got muted a couple of
• 59:20
  times on the 20, but yeah,
• 59:23
  that it was fun watching
• 59:25
  you and you'll be on in a couple of weeks,
• 59:27
  I guess.
• 59:27
  Yeah.
• 59:29
  We'll see what questions
• 59:29
  he's got for me now.
• 59:31
  I wonder if he's because the
• 59:34
  one week we missed because
• 59:35
  he had a kid like his wife
• 59:37
  went into labor.
• 59:39
  They had to postpone that.
• 59:40
  But with the games coming up,
• 59:43
  he's going to have a hard
• 59:43
  time filling slots.
• 59:45
  I'm guessing as they get
• 59:47
  closer to the games.
• 59:48
  yeah I almost almost didn't
• 59:50
  train today because of just
• 59:54
  things that I had to like
• 59:55
  doctor's appointments and
• 59:57
  podcasts so I mean
• 59:58
  obviously that one earlier
• 1:00:00
  and this one did like now I
• 1:00:02
  forgot about the doctor's
• 1:00:03
  appointment I was like man
• 1:00:04
  I don't know if I have time
• 1:00:05
  to train today but I hear
• 1:00:08
  it it works great that's
• 1:00:09
  what I did it worked out it was great
• 1:00:13
  Awesome.
• 1:00:14
  Well, Brandon, it's been a blast.
• 1:00:16
  I mean,
• 1:00:16
  I think I could talk to you for
• 1:00:17
  another hour, but we got,
• 1:00:18
  we got the history out of the way now.
• 1:00:20
  So next time you're on,
• 1:00:21
  we can just dive into stuff.
• 1:00:23
  But it has been awesome having you on.
• 1:00:25
  Thank you so much for your time.
• 1:00:26
  Thank you so much.
• 1:00:27
  We'll be down there.
• 1:00:29
  We'll be rooting you on.
• 1:00:30
  Yes, sir.
• 1:00:30
  Can't wait to meet you in
• 1:00:31
  person this time.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Awesome.
• 1:00:34
  Thank you to everybody in
• 1:00:36
  the chat for being here.
• 1:00:37
  We'll see everybody next
• 1:00:38
  time on Clydesdale media podcast.
• 1:00:41
  Bye guys.