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To Introduce Our Guest Star - Episode Twelve: Alice Dinnean · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello, I am Jared Faircloth and I'm Johannes and welcome to, to
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  introduce their guests are Muppet fan podcast for
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  topics.com back. The season 2 in this show, Joe,
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  and I were taking it in turns to surprise each other.
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  With each week, two guests, this week.
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  It is my turn. Joe, you have no idea who I
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  guessed is today, do You, we're back baby.
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  And no, I still have no idea. No, no clue and I had forgotten
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  how terrifying it is. Yeah, no, no, it's not easy.
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  Yeah, it's not-it's not fun. Not fun.
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  You guys well last season, you are only got a couple correct.
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  I think was like 12 yet. Well, you obviously have a
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  chance to guess as per usual, so Joe, take it away.
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  All right, here we go. Is it, Muppets Sesame or Henson?
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  00:03, okay, is this person? All right, let's I don't want
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  to. I want to go to obvious here.
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  So I'll ask did this person work in some capacity on Muppet
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  Treasure Island. I don't believe so.
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  No, not that, I cannot not that I can say on their mother wiki
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  page great. Okay.
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  That didn't help me in the slightest know, is this person
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  Known for having some sort of connection to a character
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  performed by Jim Henson originally performed by Jim
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  Henson. No cool.
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  I thought I would make this interesting by asking questions
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  at wouldn't reveal it. Yeah, so quickly and, and this
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  was a bad strategy. Yeah.
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  All right. Well, I'll then I'll just ask is
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  this person a performer? Yes, it's here.
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  Okay, that helps. All right.
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  I am gonna go on a limb and just make a, make a wild guess.
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  Yep. A performer, who has worked with
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  Muppets and Henson. Who probably did not work on
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  Muppet Treasure Island, is it Alice didn't Ian?
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  Joe, my guest today is a puppeteer who has worked on a
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  wide range of projects of last 25 years all the way from Sesame
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  Street to Team America World. Please she's been a grandma
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  Mouse on Big Blue House. A snake in Kermit Swamp Years,
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  you played puppet broader in community.
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  She's been a mummy and a red herring in Muppet, snorted
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  mansion, and she played the lead gelfling, and Dark Crystal age
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  of resistance. She's also worked on a billion
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  other things. I'm sure we'll talk about, Joe,
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  you've started off strong. Would you please welcome to to
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  introduce our guest star? Alice did Dean Alice.
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  Hey, hello, how are you? I'm well, thank you.
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  How are you? I'm very well, thank you for
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  being here. It's my pleasure.
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  Thank you for asking. Hi Alice.
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  I don't know if we've ever met. Have we ever met them?
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  We made met in passing once or twice but you being out in LA
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  and me being here in New York, I feel like maybe that never
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  happens your. Maybe it's possible that, that
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  hasn't happened. I mean, with, with lockdown, I
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  feel like I haven't seen anyone ever so that's I know, right?
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  Well that's yeah, that's the other thing is my memory is
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  completely shot. Yeah, for you know, everything
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  I've done before like six months ago, right.
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  So a lot of people I've met from Europe and I don't know if I've
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  met them or not. So if right let's just say that
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  we have met now and that's lovely.
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  It's so lovely to meet you. It's such a treat.
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  You are just like your one of those performers who you've done
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  so many things. You've worked on so many.
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  The amazing Muppet and Henson projects that I feel like, like,
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  we should be best friends. Like, it's like just see your
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  name in the credits and everything.
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  Well, which is, by the way, how I make friends, as I just look
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  for people's names names in the credits.
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  Now, I'm like, I'm just gonna say, yeah.
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  Me, you mean all the best friends with Steven Spielberg,
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  right? Oh, Uncle Steve.
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  Yeah. It's true though.
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  Tell certain people like actors and stuff who you'd say their
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  names in the credits and you go. Oh excellent.
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  Okay. Good like I love that person.
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  Like I'm so like someone like Judy Greer who's an actor you
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  say her name in the credits got. Okay.
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  We're in for a good time. Like your name's the same.
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  Like you see Ellis name and you go excellent.
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  Ok. Good yep.
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  Good like that. Like that person.
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  We're okay. Well that's that's very
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  flattering to hear. I appreciate that.
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  Thank you. I I do try to choose projects
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  that I think will be good. When we can't do everything but
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  I mean I try to do everything which is one of the reasons that
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  my name pops up all over the place is because I love working
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  so much and I try to do as many things as I possibly can
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  possibly to the detriment of my sanity and my child but but I do
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  just love it. So I just I do I do try to stay
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  in the mix as much as I can. Fantastic.
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  Well, I'm so grateful because that also gives us so much to
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  talk about. I guess I want to start with one
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  of your more recent roles, okay, because you were working on
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  something Mansion, which we Jared, and I both loved very
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  much. I'm so glad we have been great
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  work. A lot to us, good.
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  Yeah, one of my surprise favorite moments was the
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  introduction of PeeWee, the red herring which I performed How
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  wide what happens? What I have so many questions
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  that are only half sentences. But like where did that come
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  from? Well, I think that the character
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  itself was just a, it's just a visual joke, it's a red herring,
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  you know, and here we are in a mystery of sort of
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  disappearance. And so it's, I mean, that's very
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  much Kirk Thatcher sense of humor, I don't know for sure.
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  But I imagine that that was Kirk joke and yeah.
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  And so, he was just going to, it was, he's like, he's got a, he's
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  got a red herring in his pocket but it's a real Herring and it
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  talks and then, and then the dialogue was written in a French
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  accent. So, oh you didn't, you didn't
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  make up the French accent. No.
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  And in fact, in the table, read someone else read it.
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  I will because I wasn't at the table read and I don't think
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  anyone knew who was going to do that.
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  It was sort of going to filter down to whoever was available
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  and and so You know, and a lot of times for little things like
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  that, if someone else someone reads it in the table read and
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  someone else wins of doing it than someone else, might wind
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  up, looping it and it's all very loosey-goosey but but it just
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  sort of wound up coming together that way and I'm really glad
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  that you enjoyed it. I mean it's a funny gag but he
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  has a fish in his pocket. That's, you know, I love that
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  bit with the bottom of the card comes down and the fish signs it
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  to be right. Well and I had to consume which
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  prime I'm probably way off base, but the first time I saw it, I
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  had to assume that that Peewee was a reference to Pee-wee's
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  Playhouse, because I was also hearing the French accent of
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  Terry the pterodactyl because he's French writer.
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  He's got some sort of weird accent.
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  Yeah. Yeah, we had was Terry spelled
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  the French way, wasn't it? Yeah.
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  Robles is spelled with a pee like pterodactyl.
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  Yeah, that's right. That right.
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  It has about the spelling, right.
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  But but yeah it just like you know, another great puppet show
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  that you know is not obviously not a Henson or Muppet project
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  project but you guys share a lot of puppeteers and you know any
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  hearing the name Peewee in a French accent.
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  It just made me think like that's got to be but maybe not,
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  maybe I'm making that up. Well, it really did you sort of
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  sort of bubbled up from it's funny on stuff like that.
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  I knew I was going to be doing that mummy character but the
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  others like the the old lady at the dance and and the
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  gravediggers dog. And Even P.
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  We like, we don't really know a lot of times it's about
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  availability and who's there on what days and when that shot
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  wind up in the schedule? And so we stay very flexible
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  about some of those little things.
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  And it's just was really fun the way that they all got kind of
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  handed out very spontaneously, but that's always happened.
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  That always happened at, you know, back long time ago when I
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  was working at Sesame Street. And so, unlike at the very last
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  minute, you can get these characters that have to Voice
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  and a personality. And you have to make it up on
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  the spot and every now and then the director say, ya know, do
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  something different and do something different - I'm
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  different. So you're just figuring out, how
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  locked the that broad English accent on mummy.
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  Oh, just that, that voice is guaranteed to get Aloft.
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  Just that accent. It's just it's a it's a silly
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  voice. Yeah.
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  And it's great. I don't know how it really
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  sounds to all my English friends, you know, I spent a
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  year there. Listening to, I mean, I just
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  love hearing everyone's different accents there and I
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  don't think I got very obnoxious thing.
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  So wait, where are you from? Okay, what part of that area are
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  you from? Because they're so specific and
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  so different, and so fun to kind of play with.
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  I mean, I know they have fun doing American accents to so,
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  how much of the mummy and daddy stuff was was improvised because
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  I felt very, very impromptu and I'm sure there was like a like
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  in the script it said something about them entering and
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  Commenting on the dump, 10, tons or whatever.
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  But it felt very much like, oh, it's just you and who perform,
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  Daddy? I got personal.
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  Yeah, Bruce, yeah. Just like, saying whatever came
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  to mind and hoping maybe to get, you know, the other puppeteers
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  to break or something like that. There was, there was some of
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  that like, like when they were making excuses for why they were
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  late. That was there were a lot of
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  different excuses for why they were late and and and you know
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  the exit line of You know where they've just kind of bummed out
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  that they've missed it. There were a lot of different
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  exit lines for that too. And I think what they want of
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  keeping was just was just disappointing and that was said
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  until forever forgetting. But yeah, we try to do some
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  different things like that. But again Kirk had set up this
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  gag where they were true, they were just getting it wrong.
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  Like he was very convinced that they had to just get it wrong
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  and we keep saying, could we get it right at the said at some
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  point is like no, you get it wrong every time but can we get
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  it wrong in a different way? No, it's wrong in the same way
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  every time. So you kept raining it in and
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  there were yeah. They were, he loves to lots of
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  takes of those so we did have fun with it.
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  Good. Yeah, I have to imagine there
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  was so much gold left on The Cutting Room floor.
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  That's special. Oh yeah.
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  Was there anything that stands out that you guys recorded that,
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  that didn't make it into the final draft?
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  Every single time that that candelabra came out and was
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  floating Bill, gave it a voice and a personality was very needy
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  was very codependent Candlestick and it was sort of in love with
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  Dave goals and who isn't and it had this and this very high kind
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  of eager to please really kind of Hawk bouquets and Mike you.
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  All right, here we go. Let's go, let's go down the hole
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  here. Dave, you know, Very silly.
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  And so like Madison Stitches, the entire time.
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  And of course, it's not part of the show that all life going on.
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  That's a steric, nothing happens all the time all the time, but
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  that one was a particular favorite because the way the
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  schedule on that one worked out, we wound up shooting until the
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  wee hours frequently. And so everyone was really on
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  the hairy edge of various Huh. And that kind of stuff was
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  happening. Was so fun.
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  It's so funny the combination of of Bill and Dave one or the
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  other or both of them being in almost, everything makes for a
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  real treat for all the other performers because they're so
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  they're just always so generous and so funny and then when
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  they're together and playing off of each other it's just you just
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  feel so lucky to be there watching the show and in you're
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  right most of it doesn't wind up in the in the movie.
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  It's just What they do between takes its magical, what you got.
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  Nothing to be a fly on that wall.
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  That would have been very special.
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  You got to work obviously closely with Will Arnett as
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  well. I think you must have worked
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  very close with Will on that. Considering, you know, the fish
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  is inside his pocket. Yeah, so you've got to be like
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  right up against you for that. Yeah.
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  The pumpkin hat was a long tube that came down from the, you
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  know, from the inside of the pocket opening, it was just
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  basically a long setne tube the came.
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  So that the fish will go up through that.
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  And yes, yeah. If you think about where my hand
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  had to be starting out. It was.
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  Yes, it's closed. So it was a tight-fitting.
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  Yeah. But what was it like working
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  with Will on it because I mean, he's comedy royalty at this
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  point. Yeah.
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  I mean, I'm a super fan of Arrested Development and some of
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  this stuff that's real stuff. He's done.
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  So it was it was it was pretty exciting.
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  I mean he was very focused on his on his character and very
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  focused on staying in Character, he had fun and he had, you know,
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  he was very, he was enjoying being there, but boy he had a
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  big part and it was always on and and the costumes were
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  elaborate and the, and there was singing and there was all sorts
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  of choreography and then he tried to try to hold it together
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  with Bill and Dave, you know, doing all their buddies up.
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  So he was, he had a big job to stay focused anything, but, but
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  he's very kind and generous performer and I I felt lucky to
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  be able to, to meet him and and Darren Criss.
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  I'd worked with before tragedy Henson amazing, right?
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  I mean, oh, he was excellent. Unreal.
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  And, and then a lot of the little, the little littl cameos
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  Danny Trejo's and everything. Like, he's in every Muppet
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  thing. He just shows up Willie's, and
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  of course, he's basically a muppet at this point.
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  Yeah. Yeah, he's crazy.
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  I think it would be very insulted if you didn't call him
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  to come and do nothing. Absolutely, yeah.
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  And getting to do those little dancing with the Moonlight B
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  that showed up during the credits was really fun too
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  because people really got to kind of, I mean, I think who
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  doesn't love dancing with a muppet loads Bell.
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  Those characters in their costumes and so on we just had
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  such a good time with that. So, you know, I'm actually
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  really curious about that that segment and you know, the lot of
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  those celebrities are dancing. They, these dancing moments Like
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  some of the most obscure Muppets, like there's even a
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  couple in there who like I don't even know what their names are
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  did. They choose where they like that
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  guy looks weird. I want to do a moment with him
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  or was that someone on your end who was like you know, we don't
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  want to have the same characters here.
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  So we're going to give you someone random to just like have
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  this this you know, two seconds with yeah that was that was it
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  was I think mostly was built using you know.
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  Let's let's put this guy in. Let's put this guy dancing.
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  Lets you know then and it was it was for that very reason.
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  Like let's get this show, some new faces, let's put spring.
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  In some of these puppets that we haven't seen in a while.
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  So, yeah, great know. I love that stuff.
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  Especially, you know, we find, you know, the Muppet fan
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  Community, every Muppet, every obscure Muppet who shows up in
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  the background is someone's favorite.
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  Someone has glommed onto. Oh, yeah, beautiful day monster
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  or you know, Timmy monster or whoever and just decided like,
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  no, that's that's my guy and I love them.
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  And so you know, to have them, I don't know.
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  Dancing with Alfonso Ribeiro. Is like, oh, what's?
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  What a great moment, you know, like, that's that made someone's
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  day? Yeah, well, you guys don't know
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  this. I had, I did Dancing With The
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  Moonlight with a character whose name I didn't know.
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  And then I learned it and then I forgot it again.
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  Is it Anthony? It's the one with the long red
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  know who's had the bad eyes. So that's the one that I always
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  think of that. I don't know his name
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  hand-colored. Yeah.
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  I didn't even know what we're gonna find out.
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  We're gonna, you would recognize him?
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  Yeah, I would. Yeah, yeah.
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  He's got his people. Out there right now or Screaming
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  his name is oh yeah I think it's Anthony, it's not droop.
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  That's that's the guy with the long nose.
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  Yeah. Have you I'm pausing for a
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  moment. We can write we can and we'll
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  stop it. I feel like I need to know what
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  this guy's. No, it's not frackle.
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  He's a monster. He's tall and vertical and and
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  kind of orange etan. Oh I'm really dead giant nose.
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  Yes. A big J.
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  Yes. I do.
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  He talking about? Yeah like that's really
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  frustrating and we should note that.
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  I don't know. She hasn't named Anthony.
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  He he must have a name. It's okay, his name.
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  All right, I got it. Yeah, his name, according to the
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  Muppet, Wiki is poke that you would think would be the name of
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  the cactus or something. Never in a million years would I
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  have remembered poke. Yeah, but he, well, everyone, go
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  on the Muppet. Wiki, look up poke.
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  You'll know who were talking about you like, oh, that guy is.
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  But he is my favorite character, think he dances with Danny Trejo
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  and at the, in the credits. Yeah, I believe it.
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  Yeah. So have you got one of those
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  characters? Have you got a character like an
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  obscure one that you always go? I really want to play that one.
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  No, because those do all get passed around and then people
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  are pretty pretty disciplined about.
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  The fact that those don't belong to anyone.
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  Yeah. Because you know it's too there
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  are the, there's the main core guys.
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  And their characters are always their characters and all of the
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  other characters are always a free-for-all.
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  It's just very clearly delineated.
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  Yeah, looks weird. We interviewed Bruce lamoille
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  about Mo frackle recently and just because MO is such a, he I
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  mean, talk about obscure characters.
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  We did, we did this oral history of Mo frackle.
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  We thought it'd be fun, but Moe was one of those like yeah,
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  several people have performed him but like it's kind of at
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  this point. Bruce's character like he is
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  decided like this is my guy and I'm sure you know, Bill makes a
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  point to be like, okay well Who's here?
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  He's got to take Mo so and I hope that you get someone like
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  that. Maybe, maybe poke is your, is
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  your new guy? I don't know.
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  We were doing, we were. There was a, there's a lobster
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  that I always grab. If there's a group scene if I
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  could possibly at all, can I think he's from Muppets tonight?
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  I think he had little six shooters in a some episode.
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  Think he was a bad bad Lobster, and but it's just, it's so
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  funny. I love it so much.
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  It's just got these big dumb hands, and there's law.
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  Long antennae and I just I can't stand how much I love that
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  Lobster. So who knows?
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  So so what we need to do is give that Lobster name and then we're
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  going to make sure that that Lobster is gets an article with
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  that name on The Muppet Wiki we're going to list you as the
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  performer and it's just can't. And then in 20 years time, this
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  interview will be in the oral history there at.
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  Well I know and I can't write is already a superstar crustacean
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  so I don't know if there's room for another but that's exactly
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  right there could be two. There are two Muppet bears in
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  the main troop, right? True.
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  That's so why not? Yeah, lots of pigs.
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  Yeah, I think that's so limiting to think that they can be.
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  The only the only coach date. Crustacean well.
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  So you you've performed a few pre-existing Muppets already
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  that you didn't originate but you've had to pick up the reins
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  like I know you've played you know like Afghan hound and Wanda
• 20:17
  and yeah. London, yeah, you've played
• 20:19
  before. So what kind of research you
• 20:22
  have to do when you know? Like okay, so you know, so and
• 20:24
  so is not going to be here to play this character or this
• 20:26
  character has 40 Years of history and, you know, I have to
• 20:31
  play them in the background of the scene.
• 20:33
  Is there anything that goes goes through your mind when you do
• 20:35
  that? Or is it just kind of?
• 20:36
  Like, I don't know. It's a random character.
• 20:37
  All figured out, well, ulanda, and Wanda Wanda, you launder
• 20:41
  their sort of Julian's character, for sure.
• 20:44
  And so, it's always would be a matter of double.
• 20:48
  For her. And yeah, that that wonderful
• 20:53
  Afghan Hound again. One of many wonderful dog,
• 20:55
  puppets that are floating around and again, often don't have
• 20:59
  specific names, or specific performers, but I do like that
• 21:02
  one a lot. And yeah, I don't think she has
• 21:05
  a name other than Afghan hound. And that I think that's the
• 21:08
  name. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:09
  Also, that that gravediggers dog didn't have a name other than,
• 21:13
  you know? Oh, that really nice dog.
• 21:14
  Puppet, from Storyteller or not. Meet our buddy, picnic and and,
• 21:21
  and diggle's named it Yates after the poet.
• 21:23
  I think so now. It's.
• 21:25
  Oh, now it's okay. That's good to know.
• 21:27
  Yeah, yeah. Alright, so now everyone who you
• 21:30
  Muppet Wiki editors, you heard it here first.
• 21:33
  Uh-huh. That's that's a dog's name.
• 21:34
  Its. Yeah.
• 21:36
  And yeah, it was just one of those very again, late at night.
• 21:38
  And he's like, what's that dog's name?
• 21:39
  I said, I don't know. He said it is Yates.
• 21:47
  I love that. He gave it like such a literary
• 21:49
  name of like it's not a silly name.
• 21:51
  No, it's not. Like he looks like like where is
• 21:53
  he pulled that from? And he's bringing like he's just
• 21:56
  come out straight away with it. Did he have that like
• 21:58
  germinating for a week? And it was like, I'm going to
• 22:01
  call that thing Yates for just bang out.
• 22:04
  I don't know, that's the mystery that is that goals?
• 22:08
  Yeah, Dave's brain. You've worked like you said, you
• 22:10
  know, you'll try to pick things that are really fun.
• 22:12
  And it was interesting, you know, looking through your sort
• 22:17
  of Muppet wiki page just to see the wide range of things, you've
• 22:21
  worked on, like you were Britta in community, like the puppet
• 22:26
  Britta. How was how was that?
• 22:29
  Because the community is one of my all-time favorite shows.
• 22:33
  And God knows season for has its ups and downs but I for one love
• 22:38
  that episode. So what was it like working on
• 22:41
  it for a while? Week or whatever it was, it was.
• 22:47
  I mean it was really fun. I wasn't super familiar with the
• 22:49
  show and win another. I'd seen it, but I wasn't an
• 22:53
  enormous. You know, I certainly hadn't
• 22:56
  seen every episode. I know the characters names and
• 22:58
  that was, that was about that. But it was it was, I knew that
• 23:02
  they did these sort of stunt episodes and there's a number of
• 23:07
  other shows have done that as well, Glee did one and an angel.
• 23:12
  Um but that one felt like it wasn't you know, like it was
• 23:17
  like it was really a part of the story and like it R is really
• 23:21
  appropriate to what they were but they were trying to do and
• 23:24
  it was the humans who were, you know, the human actors all
• 23:31
  responded to it very, very differently.
• 23:33
  There were a couple of them that were there the whole time and
• 23:35
  they wanted to watch and they wanted to talk to us and they
• 23:37
  wanted to like, confab on on character and characterization
• 23:41
  that and really be a part of it. It and there were a few others
• 23:43
  who thought? Yay!
• 23:45
  We got off. I get to just do a voiceover and
• 23:49
  so it was I'm not saying who was who but it was it was shielded
• 23:56
  behind the scenes. People know nothing about the
• 23:58
  community behind the scenes we can probably guess, but we let's
• 24:02
  not get litigious. Stay in participate.
• 24:07
  It was so fun to have their input and to have them be so
• 24:12
  sort of Tickled to see themselves and each other as as
• 24:15
  puppets. Do you have to do then like
• 24:19
  maybe watch a little bit of cuz obviously Gillian Jacobs had
• 24:21
  played that role for three and a half four years at that point
• 24:24
  you have to then watch some of her characteristics so that you
• 24:28
  can translate that in puppet form.
• 24:31
  Oh sure. Yeah I wanted to know how she
• 24:33
  sat in a chair you know and if she flipped her hair if she did
• 24:35
  something with her hands or if she had any like I did yeah.
• 24:37
  You had to have to learn that. Yeah and so that's I had watched
• 24:44
  a number of episodes kind of running through them and just
• 24:47
  getting to the Jillian parts. So, and I watched a few episodes
• 24:52
  all the way all the way through but but I watched alot of
• 24:55
  specifically her scenes. Yeah, so another thing you
• 24:58
  worked on is Tim America. Now I have heard that that was a
• 25:05
  really difficult shoot. Just a lot of the
• 25:09
  behind-the-scenes of that is the like I think Trey and Matt have
• 25:11
  both said, We didn't think it would be that hard.
• 25:15
  So what was it like on a puppeteer point of view?
• 25:18
  Because I mean some of the stuff those puppets do, I don't think
• 25:21
  they realized how hard it was for puppet.
• 25:23
  Took walk across the set and pick up a glass or whatever it
• 25:26
  was. So what was it like then for you
• 25:27
  guys? Well, that was one I do.
• 25:33
  I certainly didn't work on that as much as a lot of my friends
• 25:37
  did. I may not be the right person to
• 25:39
  ask for the juiciest stories on that, and That was because I
• 25:43
  actually had a brief period of being unwell during that time,
• 25:46
  but at times that I did get to go, they did, they were people
• 25:52
  were either up in Cherry Pickers way, up high, and unable to come
• 25:56
  down and go to the bathroom, get food or anything like that.
• 25:59
  Like that would stay up there for hours, and hours, and hours,
• 26:01
  and hours, or you'd be stuffed under the set with Rod puppets
• 26:04
  and and you know, deep deep, deep under a huge set, with 25
• 26:09
  people and unable to like, come out and go.
• 26:12
  Bathroom and get it you know like if you get stuck in these
• 26:15
  places for long, long periods of time, it took a really long time
• 26:18
  to set up all those puppets and make them all look good.
• 26:21
  And then once you are in there, you couldn't leave.
• 26:23
  So there was a lot of, a lot of sort of jumped into these very
• 26:29
  dark, small spaces, and just like telling stories and hanging
• 26:33
  out maybe singing some songs. And and that's the life of a
• 26:38
  puppeteer just being crammed into a small space.
• 26:41
  Yeah. Then having to use the through
• 26:42
  my assume. Yes.
• 26:44
  But we're for people who are used to working with puppets and
• 26:46
  puppeteers all the time they sort of, they sort of work that
• 26:50
  into the system. Yeah.
• 26:52
  And they understand that that's going to happen and that's how
• 26:55
  it's going to be and I think they were learning as they as
• 26:57
  they went along. So basically I remember a whole
• 26:59
  lot of long setups like that, but I also, you know, the were
• 27:05
  some remote controls for the faces on those.
• 27:09
  And that was sort of my favorite part because I'm a little bit of
• 27:12
  a Animatronics wonk. And so I really liked doing
• 27:15
  their little, their little marionette faces with the little
• 27:18
  remote controls. So plus he didn't have to be
• 27:23
  under this date. I want to rig.
• 27:25
  Yeah. You could go out and get
• 27:25
  somebody on the bathrooms. What you wanted?
• 27:28
  Hmm. Yeah I do I do want to go back
• 27:32
  to the community for just a hot second just because we know that
• 27:35
  event Nicole Brown is such a super fan of Muppets.
• 27:39
  And so first of all, I have to assume that she was one of
• 27:43
  people who stuck around set when you were there.
• 27:46
  Yes. Just meet everybody and see how
• 27:48
  it works. And because I also remember by
• 27:50
  the time that episode came out, she had been saying in a lot of
• 27:54
  interviews when they were like, what else do you want to do?
• 27:56
  Because you've done, you know, an animated episode in a
• 27:59
  Dungeons and Dragons episode and whatever else they had done and
• 28:01
  she was like, I want to do Muppets, I just want Muppets.
• 28:03
  I want my boots. Muppets muppets.
• 28:05
  And, you know, of course it wasn't Muppets, it was puppets
• 28:09
  but Muppet it was mopping adjacent.
• 28:11
  Very similar. Yeah, yeah, exactly so well, of
• 28:14
  course, she had a wonderful role in my Dimension.
• 28:18
  Yeah, we were all So, it was good.
• 28:21
  It. Did you guys like, like touch
• 28:23
  base about that? And be like, do you remember I
• 28:24
  was there? Yes.
• 28:26
  And and she had again, Juliet had performed her character on
• 28:31
  community, so and then they were working together again on this
• 28:34
  on this project. So it's nice to see and had the
• 28:38
  feeling of, like, one of us. When we found out, she was in it
• 28:41
  because we know what, like, a massive Muppet fan.
• 28:43
  She was, it was not, wasn't she wonderful it?
• 28:48
  I just want to go. Oh, that she's terrific.
• 28:50
  Yeah, she's just such a good human being as well.
• 28:54
  Like, I mean, we all read her Twitter account and, and see
• 28:58
  just how like, you know, passionate sand and you know,
• 29:03
  she has about both like social justice as well as things like
• 29:07
  you know Muppets which that's very much, you know, up our
• 29:10
  alley, both those things. Yeah well they're very they're
• 29:14
  not unrelated I think. Right, really great.
• 29:19
  So I know that our good friend Ryan row is listening to this
• 29:24
  and wondering when we're going to ask you about snazzy, your
• 29:29
  character, from Aliens in the family.
• 29:33
  Who is I think the world's biggest aliens of the family
• 29:36
  pant. Yeah it is a deep that the
• 29:38
  world's the world's only aliens in the family fan so can you
• 29:46
  Explain a little bit about I guess like how you got the role
• 29:51
  or even just what it was like performing on this.
• 29:53
  This show that I'm actually not sure if you guys knew if it was
• 29:58
  going to be the I don't want to say failure.
• 30:03
  But like it didn't really stick around but like as you were
• 30:05
  making it, if you knew that this wasn't going to be the biggest
• 30:07
  hit, or if it was like, no, this is the next big thing.
• 30:10
  We're on TGIF. Get.
• 30:12
  It seemed like it had. It seemed like it had a shot.
• 30:14
  I mean, I thought the writing was Really good.
• 30:16
  The writing that had writer Creator.
• 30:18
  Was Andy Borowitz? His stuff is so funny.
• 30:20
  I don't know if your watch if you, if you read his stuff in
• 30:22
  the New Yorker or, you know, he's a really great humor writer
• 30:27
  and, and he was just constantly funny.
• 30:30
  The scripts were great and we had a lot of the same performers
• 30:35
  and Builders and people behind the scenes as he had done
• 30:38
  dinosaurs and that had run for a long time on, you know, on
• 30:45
  network TV. And we were all really
• 30:47
  optimistic about it. It was and, you know, Alien
• 30:51
  Family sitcom and another Network, at the very same time
• 30:55
  was producing and putting up alien family, sitcom called
• 30:59
  Third Rock From the Sun and we thought this is gonna mmmm, you
• 31:03
  know, one of these is probably going to, you know, these can
• 31:06
  both hit a pig, they were similar in flavor and theme and
• 31:13
  we all know what happened there. Well, it was a classic 30 Rock
• 31:17
  versus Studio. 60 moment of what we can't have both of these want
• 31:23
  to eat when he's got to go. Yeah, but I thought well, I'm
• 31:26
  sorry that it was you who had to go because those puppets really
• 31:29
  are, they're incredibly impressive puppets.
• 31:31
  You know. They're like really lifelike.
• 31:34
  And of course just having more Henson stuff on TV was always a
• 31:37
  good thing but but yeah, it was not meant to be unfortunately.
• 31:41
  Yeah, and there were a lot of human actors on that that have
• 31:44
  become big stars since who were Rather obscure character actors
• 31:47
  when we did it, and that's fun. It's been fun to watch them, you
• 31:50
  know, there was a Allison, it wasn't Ryan Reynolds on that
• 31:54
  show. James made that James Van Der
• 31:56
  Beek was on, that's at James. Van.
• 31:58
  Der Beek Dawson's Creek and Allison Janney before West Wing.
• 32:05
  And, hmm, you got Aaron Eckhart. You've got to Hayden Panettiere?
• 32:10
  Yeah, little tiny baby, Hayden Panettiere just for you.
• 32:13
  Wow. Really interesting.
• 32:17
  That none of those folks have really worked with the Muppets.
• 32:19
  Since I know Allison Janney did smidge.
• 32:21
  I mean, you guys were on West way.
• 32:23
  I know you were on the water with the Sesame characters and
• 32:27
  you know, she went to the to a Fraggle Rock like a photo op for
• 32:32
  fraggle, rocks, 35th Anniversary, or something like
• 32:34
  that. This is so obscure.
• 32:36
  I don't know why this information is in my brain.
• 32:39
  But I well let's maybe that's a good segue.
• 32:42
  To talk about West Wing because West Wing is also one of my
• 32:44
  favorite shows along with with These are like the two TV shows
• 32:47
  to non Muppet shows that I own on DVD.
• 32:50
  You are eating your what was it like around the edges of my
• 32:54
  girl. Yeah else.
• 32:56
  I am I am not prepared for this interview and thus he had no
• 32:59
  idea you were coming until two seconds before you were.
• 33:01
  Right? He's The Fringe items but sure.
• 33:06
  Let's do, yeah. I'm I'm All About The Fringe
• 33:10
  like I want to get to the stuff that you've literally never
• 33:13
  spoken out loud about, you know, Let's talk about the one episode
• 33:17
  of West Wing appeared on. Okay, what was it like getting
• 33:23
  to visit? Because it was a it was a huge
• 33:24
  smash hit. This is like the what the fifth
• 33:26
  season of the show. It's a smash hit this point you
• 33:28
  got to like go and hang out with like Stockard Channing.
• 33:32
  Well, he Tomlin I was gonna say that was the big though is the
• 33:35
  big, big deal for me because when I was when I was a little
• 33:39
  kid I was I was I was obsessed with grease.
• 33:43
  I just loved. I would go over night.
• 33:45
  I had that out. The album with the fold-out and
• 33:47
  I would play that I'm dating myself.
• 33:49
  But I was seeing it in theaters when I was, you know, a kid and
• 33:55
  it was it was such a thrill to meet Rizzo is very, very, very
• 34:00
  Starstruck by her and I loved it and she was really and we meet a
• 34:05
  lot of celebrities. We made a lot of slack.
• 34:07
  We're actually well, in the case of you were Will Arnett and the
• 34:12
  the Peewee we're often very close.
• 34:16
  To sort of intimate places on a lot of celebrities because we're
• 34:20
  on the floor and they're standing up and you know that
• 34:24
  it's you you get used to it, you get used to being with famous
• 34:28
  people, but every now and then somebody that meant a lot to you
• 34:31
  when you were a kid or this one thing that they did was really
• 34:35
  for some reason sticks with you and for me seeing meeting Rizzo
• 34:40
  was a big deal. So that was this a big deal?
• 34:45
  Yeah. Who doesn't love Stockard?
• 34:46
  Channing I guess maybe people who've only seen mr.
• 34:52
  Willoughby's. Christmas tree.
• 34:53
  Maybe. Don't know.
• 34:53
  Stockard, Channing? Yeah.
• 34:56
  I mean I had wiped. She hasn't been, you know, front
• 35:01
  and center for a while since Wes being really has she but that's
• 35:04
  an oversight on the part of everybody.
• 35:07
  Oh absolutely right. Okay.
• 35:09
  If there's any casting directors, listening to this
• 35:11
  podcast, go higher Stockard. Channing she's a delight.
• 35:16
  His podcast in Hollywood said, they definitely listening.
• 35:18
  It's yeah, I mean, maybe she's had it with all that, and she
• 35:22
  just is Raising alpacas somewhere.
• 35:24
  I don't know, but I ain't Joe. You need to speak to your Uncle,
• 35:27
  Steve That's right, Uncle Steve. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:31
  I got him on the horn. Yeah, all right.
• 35:35
  So let's let's will jump around again.
• 35:37
  So I see that you performed on the, the 2015, Muppets, sitcom,
• 35:44
  you performed, the original character, a Linda, which is
• 35:47
  the, I believe the young Pig that is infatuated with Miss
• 35:51
  Piggy. Now, if that show didn't really
• 35:54
  lend itself to a whole lot of original characters, So what was
• 36:00
  the process for kind of developing this like base is a
• 36:04
  new? It was a new Muppet, you know,
• 36:06
  that that's very that's rare these days.
• 36:09
  So what was that process like for you, it it, you know, sheshe
• 36:14
  needed to be a fan girl and she needed to be, she needed to
• 36:19
  actually find a way to tug Piggies heartstrings at a time
• 36:25
  when she'd gone particularly off the rails.
• 36:28
  And And yep, and I decided to do it pretty much straightforward.
• 36:32
  I decided to, you know, be be a version of, you know, I was a
• 36:35
  teenage girl at one point and it was, it was, it was fun to just
• 36:41
  sort of tap into that. And just just have that moment
• 36:44
  of being released are striking, just loving someone doesn't so
• 36:47
  excited to be in her presence and can't really believe this.
• 36:49
  And and, you know, so I just, I just decided to go really
• 36:53
  straight straight ahead without one and it was one of them and I
• 36:57
  assume, I'm sorry. Oh no.
• 36:59
  I think it was one of the puppets from Christmas Carol.
• 37:03
  Yeah, well, I was gonna ask that because it was one of the I've
• 37:06
  always wondered whether or not cuz then a, Melinda and Belinda
• 37:10
  are basically the same name I've always wondered if that was a
• 37:12
  little like, wake to the Muppet fans, I guess note that Linda
• 37:18
  was the name of the best friend of one of the writers.
• 37:21
  Okay, well, I'll, uh, I'll see myself out, fascinating, huh?
• 37:25
  I love it. It says I was wondering if Linda
• 37:27
  had a twin sister. ER named Tina and I guess not,
• 37:31
  it was just a, it was just a little Easter egg for the
• 37:34
  writers friend. Well, there you go.
• 37:37
  I love it. An Easter egg for one person,
• 37:39
  they often the best type of extracts.
• 37:42
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:42
  This come from somewhere and so absolutely well.
• 37:47
  And I imagine, it would have been easy for you to play.
• 37:50
  You know, a young person who is infatuated with Miss Piggy,
• 37:53
  because I have to assume that you much like us, grew up with
• 37:57
  the Muppets and you're looking at the real Miss.
• 37:58
  He and you're like, oh my God, like, that would have been any
• 38:01
  of us as teenagers obsessed. I still get Starstruck by them
• 38:06
  sometimes never when they're just sitting on a stand you
• 38:10
  know, never when they're just lying on a table and you can
• 38:13
  mean the difference between Kermit, all emptied out and flat
• 38:16
  on a table because it's just. Yeah.
• 38:19
  And between seeing him, you know, upright and looking
• 38:21
  around. And even if he's not talking or
• 38:23
  doing anything, just just seeing him on.
• 38:26
  Yeah. And it's You get a little bit
• 38:29
  every now and then, you think I am.
• 38:32
  I went to the set of the 2015 show and I was basically like
• 38:37
  they were filming in the like, writers room, and I was
• 38:40
  basically huddled is it into Comas office and they had a
• 38:45
  Kermit puppet the entire time. Just sitting on the stand with
• 38:48
  these little floppy head and I was like, oh yeah.
• 38:51
  That's Kermit. That's like Tim.
• 38:52
  It's a puppet. Like that's the almost the first
• 38:54
  time I really went. Yeah, he's just a puppet and
• 38:57
  then Steve Whitmire came. When I will take a photo now,
• 39:00
  put cumin on. And then I got Starstruck right.
• 39:06
  It's such a weird thing that you can't explain to people who
• 39:09
  haven't had had it happen to them.
• 39:12
  It's such a weasel phenomenon. Like, when I've been around like
• 39:17
  of interview, Cookie Monster and Elmo.
• 39:18
  When, you know, David, Rudman pulled Cookie Monster out of a
• 39:21
  bag. I was like, oh yeah, it's just a
• 39:23
  floppy. Little piece of felt puts him on
• 39:26
  and I'm like, oh my God, that's cookie.
• 39:28
  On stuff like this, turn it to that little five-year-old again.
• 39:32
  Uh-huh. Very strange.
• 39:33
  And then you completely forget that the puppeteers there, which
• 39:38
  is a credit to you guys because like I'm a 32 year old man and I
• 39:42
  will genuinely forget about David Rodman because I've got
• 39:45
  Cookie Monster next to me. Yeah.
• 39:47
  Me too. So strange.
• 39:51
  Yep. It's the aleut thing that cleat.
• 39:54
  Yeah. The thing that gets me every
• 39:57
  time that I will never be as long as I live get used to is
• 40:01
  when one of the puppets says my name.
• 40:03
  Oh yeah. Of like, it's one thing to be
• 40:05
  like, wow, there's a celebrity right there, something to be
• 40:07
  like that celebrity is acknowledging my existence.
• 40:09
  Yeah. Like like I still remember I was
• 40:13
  on the Sesame, Street set once and Peter Lynch was performing
• 40:17
  Ernie and just I'm not even paying attention to whatever
• 40:20
  they're doing, on-camera this here.
• 40:21
  Ernie Koy like woo! Hello!
• 40:23
  Joe. How you doing?
• 40:24
  And I'm just like what What, no, I can't I can't.
• 40:27
  He is like like this guy that I watched on TV taught me how to
• 40:30
  read and like, yeah, like he's not, he's my friend in my head
• 40:34
  not in real life but he knows me, so maybe he is.
• 40:38
  Oh, yes, Ting mui. Let me just, let me just send a
• 40:41
  little text here. One second.
• 40:44
  All right. Now you can edit this part out a
• 40:46
  cool. Yeah.
• 40:50
  Hang on or we can leave in the silence.
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  This is time for everyone. Who's listening to just take a
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  breath breath. You know.
• 40:57
  Meditate on the day. Yeah.
• 41:00
  Just think about fun things that can possibly happen.
• 41:06
  Hmm. Let's see.
• 41:08
  Hmm. I'm leaving to Seoul in now we
• 41:10
  said that I'm going to drop some f-bombs so you have to add in.
• 41:17
  Okay, great. What was it so exciting that he
• 41:24
  said to you yes he's nice and said.
• 41:27
  He said hello. He said my name.
• 41:28
  It was the greatest. Yeah.
• 41:30
  What did he say though? He said, hey buddy, you like, oh
• 41:34
  hello Joe. Hello there Joe?
• 41:38
  Oh, all right. Oh, is Ernie in your house?
• 41:42
  Like this gentleman right here, mr.
• 41:45
  Pate de Lins. Welcome peda.
• 41:47
  Thanks Jared hike later. I know this is better.
• 41:54
  The fact that Peter Lynn's knows, my name is better than
• 41:57
  Ernie knowing yeah, that's okay Frank.
• 41:59
  I'm happy that I know your name from Mexico.
• 42:04
  It's fine. I'll take it.
• 42:05
  I don't care. It's good.
• 42:06
  It's not, you remember. I don't know if you remember
• 42:08
  this, paid a, but you and I did a lobster.
• 42:10
  And last year we chatted, and then afterwards, we chatted for
• 42:12
  about 20 minutes, just off camera.
• 42:14
  And I said to you how much I love doing and you're like, oh,
• 42:17
  I did it back just over there and I was like, well, don't tell
• 42:20
  me that and then you've stepped off frame and then all here who
• 42:25
  Jared hey buddy. Right?
• 42:30
  This moment of my life. Oh, that's very sweet.
• 42:33
  He's still, well, he's still there, but he's not here.
• 42:36
  He's not here. It's on the other coast well,
• 42:38
  fair enough. It's okay.
• 42:40
  Yeah, okay, alright, okay. Well, he, you know, he's got it,
• 42:42
  he's got an apartment so that he lives in on here, on our on our
• 42:46
  const. You know you're here is.
• 42:47
  It's right with his risk away to La.
• 42:49
  No, he can't. Just spring doesn't know he's
• 42:51
  not a jetsetter. Not at all.
• 42:53
  Not at all. I will stop.
• 42:59
  Busted crashing. The interview here at Peter.
• 43:00
  You are you are not the focus of this.
• 43:02
  This interview I am not know. I beautiful woman so I'm going
• 43:05
  to just go back over there and my guys dice is yeah go go
• 43:09
  eavesdrop at SATA nice to say you do you too?
• 43:14
  What a great guy nice man. Yeah he's alright we like his
• 43:18
  company very much he's fine. We often say Peters the nicest
• 43:23
  man and the gnosis man out of ever met in my life.
• 43:26
  I really feel the same I'm glad head
• 43:48
  a little bit Turkey Hollow. I think once I think one of the
• 43:51
  only times you and I have ever talked to each other, we were
• 43:54
  going to set up an interview about Turkey Hollow and then for
• 43:56
  whatever reason, we just didn't get around to it.
• 43:59
  Um, so you were puppet, Captain correct.
• 44:04
  Can you explain to me? Because I've never been able to
• 44:05
  figure it out. What is a puppet Captain?
• 44:09
  Oh, okay. There are several different
• 44:12
  aspects of that job. Mostly mostly, you're in charge
• 44:17
  of the puppeteers and helping everybody, make sure that they
• 44:22
  are where they need to be. And that they're, you know,
• 44:24
  they're their monitors are in the right place and that they
• 44:27
  have the assistance that they need.
• 44:28
  Or want. And if there's any politics
• 44:30
  there that you make sure that the right people are with the
• 44:32
  right people and and you communicate with them.
• 44:36
  I would, you know, I would send out an email each evening about
• 44:40
  how the day's shoot when and what was coming up for the next
• 44:42
  day and, you know what to prepare for and what the weather
• 44:44
  was going to be like, because we're outside a lot.
• 44:47
  And then also, we would read through the set with the read,
• 44:55
  through this scene, with the director and then they would
• 44:57
  turn the set over 2. Lighting and grips and electric
• 45:00
  and so on. And I would often stay, make
• 45:03
  sure that the monitors got where they need to be in the greens.
• 45:05
  Men would cover them up and they wouldn't be in the shot and how
• 45:08
  we were going to lay track, so that we could move along dirt
• 45:11
  roads. And so, I was working with the
• 45:15
  as you work with it, with the grip department and the video
• 45:17
  text as well to set everything up.
• 45:19
  And then then the third thing that you do is coordinate with
• 45:23
  the shop. If there are any problems or
• 45:25
  issues with you know, something not fitting right or not
• 45:28
  feeling, right? Right?
• 45:29
  Or a rod that isn't working or if there's a repair that needs
• 45:31
  to be made. So we basically in charge of the
• 45:33
  puppets and the puppeteers, am the puppet setups and so there
• 45:38
  can and then there's just a certain sort of like you know,
• 45:43
  Boy Scout leader Den mother type role as well where you're sort
• 45:46
  of. Come on, guys.
• 45:49
  Don't know you're tired, but we gotta do this one more time and
• 45:53
  make decisions about, you know, even what we should and
• 45:56
  shouldn't do on Turkey Hollow. They wanted to They wanted to
• 45:59
  bury Us in the ground so that they could, the characters could
• 46:02
  be sitting on the ground in a forest and be working and moving
• 46:05
  and sort of did a survey, like, who's okay, with this and who
• 46:09
  isn't, and there was really only one person I really can't.
• 46:13
  And the rest of us were buried in holes in the ground and, and
• 46:16
  we did so. And and again, that was
• 46:19
  coordinating with with Scenic and and you know how that how
• 46:25
  the safety of that was going to work.
• 46:26
  And to make sure that we You know, if anyone had a problem or
• 46:32
  panics that there was a protocol in place to get out and get the
• 46:37
  plywood up and get the dirt off and Jesus.
• 46:39
  Yeah, yeah. So I mean we weren't did you did
• 46:43
  you get a captain's hat as the public Captain?
• 46:47
  Well again this was a Kirk Thatcher joint and if you know
• 46:50
  Kirk you know, that he wears a captain's hat, he goes oh he
• 46:53
  does where the characters and true actually frequently.
• 46:55
  I mean, he always wears somehow sometimes it's a top hat.
• 46:59
  But often it's a captain's. Yeah, so you don't you don't
• 47:05
  want to step on any toes there. No, especially not Kirk's.
• 47:09
  But was it was really, really nice to do.
• 47:11
  My first puppet Captain job. Not only with people, I didn't
• 47:15
  really know. So, I wasn't bossing my friends
• 47:17
  around but also with Canadians who are so nice, they're
• 47:22
  ridiculously nice. And, you know, even when even
• 47:26
  when one person's feelings were hurt because I hadn't All the
• 47:28
  men all day and I hadn't realized that I hadn't sort of
• 47:31
  spread the wealth out. And I got this very hurt email,
• 47:34
  but it was so polite and nice kind of thing.
• 47:39
  And so it was it was a good way to get once feet wet in the
• 47:43
  cabinet leadership world is. Yeah I highly recommend working
• 47:46
  with Canadians when you have to be the boss for the first time I
• 47:51
  love it so, but because you were in Canada you probably didn't
• 47:56
  get to work with a lot of the The regular Henson crew that I
• 48:01
  assume that you're extremely familiar with working in La.
• 48:07
  Does that make it easier or harder when you're working with
• 48:09
  people? You've never really worked with
• 48:11
  before, well, it made it easier because I was having to, to kind
• 48:18
  of, you know, be the be the leader and it's weird when
• 48:22
  you're sort of growing up with somebody and suddenly, you're
• 48:24
  making that kind of decisions for them.
• 48:28
  And and I actually had to cast those four characters.
• 48:31
  I had myself and three other puppeteers and I had to decide
• 48:33
  who was what? So that was that stuff.
• 48:36
  Yeah, it was it was it was really interesting and I knew I
• 48:41
  knew cord Robertson a little bit from one of the I think was from
• 48:44
  very merry Muppet Christmas or Muppets Wizard of Oz or both and
• 48:48
  Rob Mills name, of course, I knew from Frederick.
• 48:51
  And so on back in the day about Jason hopley, I'd never met
• 48:54
  before and he's marvelous, he's so fun, so funny.
• 48:58
  And so it was a really great team and and you know, to I Knew
• 49:05
  by name one, I knew from a little bit from having worked
• 49:07
  with and but we just, you know, was a short Chute but we bonded
• 49:13
  and it was really, really a wonderful experience.
• 49:17
  I had a great time, that's great and it's a fun.
• 49:19
  It's a fun special to. Yeah.
• 49:22
  It's you know this time of year for it.
• 49:24
  I hope it's around right now because it's a Thanksgiving.
• 49:29
  Yeah. And you perform squonk.
• 49:32
  So like what what makes squonk different from the other?
• 49:35
  The other three monsters, you know, in a lot of ways, I
• 49:39
  thought he was the he was the most sort of agile and easily
• 49:43
  and moving around a lot and, uh, and, you know, looking this way.
• 49:46
  And and that was or as some of the others who are a little more
• 49:50
  Squat and they all had their, they all had their aspects and
• 49:57
  yeah, it's Bonkers like always in motion.
• 49:58
  Ocean and always the most curious and always the most
• 50:00
  easily at noticed around. So that was that was fun, most
• 50:04
  active active one and that's fun.
• 50:07
  That's, that's another thing I want to look for him.
• 50:08
  Next time, I watched the special is like, yeah.
• 50:11
  Like those those little intricacies that you're, I'm
• 50:14
  assuming just making up while you're on set.
• 50:16
  Yeah, yeah. And I got to do that.
• 50:19
  Really fun scene with the little boy that I watched that scene in
• 50:24
  How to Train Your Dragon, a bunch of times when toothless
• 50:28
  first. He learns to, to trust my
• 50:32
  blanking on the kid's name. How to Train Your Dragon?
• 50:36
  Never mind. He had a short name like Hawks
• 50:39
  spit, or yes? Huh, cor.
• 50:42
  Yes, that's not right. Ya know what was I'm on it.
• 50:46
  I'm on it was it was it poke poke, poke hiccup hiccup that
• 50:55
  was his name. Watch that movie about 50 times
• 51:01
  with my kids. So I should know that but um, Is
• 51:04
  that great scene where Toothless and Hiccup get to know each
• 51:06
  other and they're like, they're learning to trust and learning
• 51:09
  to see what, you know, interact without harming one another, and
• 51:15
  they're both prayed with their both curious and so on.
• 51:17
  And I've really tried to do that with squonk and the little boy.
• 51:22
  So there was, there's that nice scene where he's reaching out to
• 51:24
  touch him and pulling back. And so that was it's fun too.
• 51:29
  It's fun to have one of those moments that you realize is a
• 51:31
  set piece in other movies that you know and love it's a thing
• 51:36
  you've seen before and I got to do it for sure.
• 51:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:41
  Well I mean those puppets must just be sitting in a drawer
• 51:43
  somewhere so I don't know. I don't know why we're not
• 51:45
  getting a sequel, we had a blank.
• 51:47
  We got to bring squonk back. Yeah they're in there.
• 51:49
  There are matured in there in the reception at Henson LaBrea.
• 51:53
  So oh well there you go. All right, so everyone break in
• 51:57
  and go see those my armor. Puppets.
• 51:59
  Yeah, I think I feel like I need to say for legal purposes.
• 52:02
  Do not break in to the gym and I can't have Brian Henson here.
• 52:08
  We don't, we don't officially condone it, I'm staying sighs.
• 52:14
  Um, can I ask a question then else you were talking about?
• 52:17
  You know being dug in a hole you know they have there been any
• 52:22
  sort of other places you've been like really uncomfortable or
• 52:29
  Specifically, you know where you're like, I'm not sure about
• 52:31
  this. I'm thinking specifically, you
• 52:33
  talked on Matt bogles below the frame about like at one point
• 52:37
  they wanted to put your next one elephant.
• 52:39
  And you're like, no, I'm not doing that.
• 52:41
  That wasn't a Henson show. I don't know if they would have.
• 52:44
  That was that was for those for something, something else.
• 52:47
  And we did a lot of really sort of extreme situations on that
• 52:51
  show was a choice choice, a, which oh it is, I don't know.
• 52:59
  Massey and I did a show called Cousin Skeeter for Nickelodeon
• 53:01
  then in the mid late 90s, and I'm really, really proud of that
• 53:07
  show because we push the boundaries constantly of what
• 53:12
  puppets could do. Because again, it was people who
• 53:15
  had worked with puppets a lot before.
• 53:16
  So they would write these things about how he you know you know
• 53:22
  jumps through a jump through a window and glass flies
• 53:25
  everywhere and you know, okay. We're going to do that.
• 53:28
  And we had a stunt version of him and we would throw them
• 53:31
  through candy glass and it would break everywhere.
• 53:33
  And we just, you know, we got to do a lot of sort of cartoonishly
• 53:37
  violent things with him that we wouldn't get to do on on a
• 53:42
  necessarily a Sesame Street, or a, or a Muppet thing.
• 53:45
  And, and we worked a whole lot on all of those Rigs and gags
• 53:50
  with Scott Johnson. And you're going Ferguson who
• 53:54
  are now in their Wrangler Builder, rigor, Extraordinaire
• 54:00
  team, they worked on darker, still in Fraggle Rock.
• 54:03
  And you know all the all the I mean they are there unsung
• 54:07
  heroes of so many Difficult intricate High rig high-tech
• 54:17
  situations, Happy Time murders, and that Angel episode, and they
• 54:23
  just think they're, they're everywhere.
• 54:25
  And they're wonderful and and don't get nearly enough credit,
• 54:31
  but the two of them and Drew. And I did that show for three
• 54:34
  seasons, and we had to constantly invent, and we're
• 54:37
  constantly going out on a limb. There were only a few minor
• 54:41
  Juries I dropped a hammer on Drew's once I think I told that
• 54:45
  and the episode as well and you know, we always get kicked in
• 54:51
  the face and then and things from actors and things have, you
• 54:55
  know, there's always things that happen.
• 54:57
  But but by and large we did. We did.
• 55:00
  Okay and there were only a few things that we really do the
• 55:02
  lineup. Everything else we tried to do.
• 55:04
  Yeah. And one of them was the
• 55:05
  elephant. Yeah.
• 55:06
  Yeah. It was a quick assefa sewed.
• 55:08
  And they and their and the again the stunt it actually had to be
• 55:12
  picked up in the trunk and waved around by this elephant, and
• 55:14
  they trained her to do it. Wow, but they wow.
• 55:18
  Shot to begin with him standing there petting.
• 55:20
  Her trunk. And we said, nope, can't do it.
• 55:24
  Absolutely not. Uh-huh.
• 55:28
  They didn't like you can bury me at me, but keep me away from the
• 55:33
  animal can know what is this big?
• 55:38
  She's just I know else. What else are you working on
• 55:45
  these days? Or can you tell us what you're
• 55:47
  working on right now? Let's see.
• 55:51
  I am working on petting my dog. So if you hear a weird grunting
• 55:54
  noise, that's what that is. I shamed us later.
• 56:02
  Very cute Hello, didn't he? Let's see.
• 56:09
  I'm working on a A new show at Henson that I can't.
• 56:12
  That I can't talk too much about but it's preschool show and it's
• 56:16
  with real great love it, so it's not awesome, it's not acps, it's
• 56:20
  not animatronics, it's not it's old-school fuzzy and since our
• 56:25
  puppet it's adorable, it's going to be wonderful and it's going
• 56:28
  to be on Apple. Terrific.
• 56:29
  Yeah and before that I did some teaching with with puppets with
• 56:35
  Peter and Bill and before that I was working on all spring and
• 56:39
  summer. I was working on On cranking
• 56:41
  kurz which I know it's a lip-sync show and I don't get to
• 56:46
  do the acting on it. I love love love.
• 56:50
  Creating you know, different characters, three times a day
• 56:54
  and my very favorite thing to do is just to find an animal or
• 56:58
  something. Just try to upstage everyone in
• 57:00
  the background. That's one of the best parts of
• 57:02
  that show. Just like a little characters in
• 57:04
  the background just going nuts. That's usually me like if it's
• 57:12
  knocking something over if it's if it's if there's something
• 57:15
  like but gets water poured on it or anything whatever like just
• 57:20
  If there's a message being made or if there's chaos and like, if
• 57:23
  something's breaking, I'm trying to, I'm trying to break stuff
• 57:27
  back there. You're probably maybe one of the
• 57:30
  only ones who's willing to be like, look, I'll just get
• 57:32
  myself, you know, drenched with water for this bit.
• 57:36
  Yeah. Or, or I'm willing to anger, the
• 57:40
  art Department by, you know, banging to a Shelf, full of
• 57:44
  whatever. It is a plastic cans of some of
• 57:46
  our art supplies or whatever, just like knock the whole thing
• 57:48
  down in there, like they get out there.
• 57:50
  Photos of how it looked and they put everything back the whole
• 57:54
  thing over. Again, it's just, you are the
• 57:57
  enemy of of set continuity, but I take care of the puppets.
• 58:00
  I don't damage the puppets. I'd never break puppets, some
• 58:03
  people are famous for that but I'm really, really careful with
• 58:07
  the puppets themselves. Just not stuff around them.
• 58:12
  Right. Well it totally works for sure
• 58:15
  like that. Absolutely.
• 58:17
  As if you have anything else to do it, should we go into the
• 58:19
  wrap up late? I think I am ready for the
• 58:23
  wrap-up. Excellent.
• 58:26
  Not going to ask about. Okay, that's fine.
• 58:28
  Well, we're going to ask about start Crystal belt, okay?
• 58:32
  I have Dark Crystal heat in front of me and yes, I would
• 58:34
  like, I've taped a mini to get too high, but then I'm like, I'm
• 58:36
  very wary that I'm weaving over in it.
• 58:38
  Like we've been an hour and I didn't want to take you.
• 58:40
  Okay, you're done. Nobody can I can I just say,
• 58:43
  wait a minute. I was I had it in my head.
• 58:46
  When we got when we started, we can edit this part out.
• 58:48
  And in my head I'm like right? You went to, you went to London,
• 58:51
  you worked An age of resistance, and then I'm looking at your
• 58:53
  Muppet wiki page and I'm like, am I think?
• 58:55
  I'm somebody else have it, not on here, it's not on the Muppet
• 58:57
  wiki page. No, because I had to
• 58:59
  double-check that, but there's a photo with you, and, And oh, and
• 59:04
  Brian, oh yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, okay.
• 59:14
  Okay, yes, we absolutely want to ask about is a resistance that's
• 59:17
  embarrassing for the wiki guys, that they somehow didn't list
• 59:20
  it, your Wiki pages. Yeah.
• 59:33
  Wow. I really thought that my my
• 59:36
  brain was broken that I was just misremembering, but it was not
• 59:39
  me. Well I guess that's nice to know
• 59:40
  but thank you for saying something that we asked 100
• 59:45
  people. Well, we are now okay.
• 59:52
  Alright, okay. So you spent a year and a half
• 59:55
  in the UK looking bringing back the Dark Crystal?
• 59:59
  Yeah. Which is super impressive that
• 1:00:01
  like I mean, you guys manage to, in my personal opinion, improve
• 1:00:05
  on the original. So, how did you like, just find
• 1:00:12
  that inspiration from the original movie and then create
• 1:00:14
  something new like, without Jim Henson sitting over your
• 1:00:18
  shoulder and telling you what's, what, Well, he kind of was
• 1:00:23
  because you watch the movie over and over and over again.
• 1:00:25
  You know, I mean, everything, is there everything?
• 1:00:27
  All the information that you need is in the movie and and
• 1:00:30
  I've, you know, I actually have You're talked a lot about this
• 1:00:35
  in podcast. So, you know, if you don't want
• 1:00:37
  to go into too much detail, there are certainly other
• 1:00:38
  sources for Dark Crystal stories, but I was just, I was
• 1:00:41
  just surprised that's all but yeah.
• 1:00:43
  It's Kathy Mullins performance is as Kira.
• 1:00:46
  Of course, is was the was the base document that you go to.
• 1:00:50
  And, and I avoid watched it so many times when it, when it came
• 1:00:55
  out and, you know, everyone comes into the Hudson, The
• 1:00:58
  Henson verse in their own way. Well, you know what?
• 1:01:02
  Has a favorite thing and a lot of times it has to do with, you
• 1:01:05
  know, what age, they were when they first saw something.
• 1:01:08
  But for me, it was always Dark Crystal.
• 1:01:11
  I mean, I love Muppet Show, I love Sesame Street.
• 1:01:14
  I was the wrong age for Fraggle Rock and even the wrong age for
• 1:01:17
  Labyrinth which was just a couple years after Dark Crystal.
• 1:01:19
  But that was my, that was my movie.
• 1:01:22
  And that was my project that I just loved on blood blood blood.
• 1:01:25
  And so it was, I was so thrilled.
• 1:01:31
  When I heard that it was happening, I was So
• 1:01:32
  disappointed, when I heard that it was going to England and then
• 1:01:36
  it came around and I mean I was devastated.
• 1:01:40
  When I heard that they were, she would never say because you
• 1:01:42
  thought that you weren't going to work on it.
• 1:01:44
  They said we're going to shoot it in England, English
• 1:01:46
  puppeteers. Just and that was.
• 1:01:49
  And it was, it felt it felt like a death almost.
• 1:01:56
  I mean, it was just so sad because I thought, you know,
• 1:02:00
  maybe I can just go and do a little pod.
• 1:02:02
  Somewhere sometime if they shoot it and I didn't know if they
• 1:02:05
  shouldn't. Then coover, she didn't Toronto
• 1:02:07
  wherever. But no, they wanted.
• 1:02:08
  Lisa wanted to go back to the UK, which I think was a great
• 1:02:12
  choice because the it's so informed.
• 1:02:18
  By the people who kind of people were involved the first time
• 1:02:24
  around. I mean, he still had Brian and
• 1:02:26
  Wendy and some of the some of the people that were that were
• 1:02:31
  part of the Really original project.
• 1:02:33
  And there they were doing it again and, and the crafts people
• 1:02:38
  had all just come out of the Harry Potter movies.
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  And a lot of puppeteers have been doing Star Wars movies, and
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  some Harry Potter and it was just that was just soaked in
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  deep fantasy. World, craftsmanship, and
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  techniques, and electronics, and electronics, and designers in
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  the way. They would light it in the way
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  that would shoot it. Like everyone knew exactly what
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  to do. He just walked in ready and and
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  it was, it was a really big thing to feel like you needed to
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  Carrie part of Maine, you know, relatively small, part of, when
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  you think of the fact that there are hundreds of people pouring
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  their whole lives into this, for a year, you know, you're just
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  one of those. But at the same time, there were
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  a number of times, where all of that attention is being focused
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  on right here, you know. And it's just, that's all.
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  Yeah, it's a lot pointing it. And, and it was felt like a very
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  big responsibility but one that I, that I felt that I felt ready
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  for, I felt like that. That was the job.
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  I've been preparing for all this time.
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  I didn't know that, but I didn't, I didn't think that was
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  ever going to happen and I didn't know that I Was preparing
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  for that but then I walked in there I thought you know what I
• 1:03:51
  can do this. I'm ready and it was such a
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  thrill, such a thrill. I loved it was every day of
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  especially because those gelflings are there.
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  So I mean like you say like there's a lot of close-ups, like
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  there's a lot riding on them as characters, but there doesn't
• 1:04:08
  seem to be a whole lot of options for Movement.
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  I know like these puppets seem to have a little bit more.
• 1:04:16
  I don't know. Flexibility or maybe it's just
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  more animatronics in the head than the originals did for the
• 1:04:23
  original movie. But it was that like a
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  particularly difficult challenge to like try to convey.
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  A lot of emotion with what's basically more or less, a static
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  looking puppet. Well, I first of all, I had the
• 1:04:39
  advantage of having the eyes myself and my left hand.
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  So I had them blinks in the eye up down left, right?
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  And a little controller in my left hand.
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  So that was really, really helpful because when you have a
• 1:04:51
  second person there with a, you know, with a Futaba, a model
• 1:04:54
  airplane control, trying to keep up with a head movement and
• 1:04:56
  catch and I move in at the same time they're very good at it and
• 1:04:59
  it's very shockingly accurate with all the skeksis are done
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  that way and a lot of the gelflings.
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  There were a few of us that stubbornly insisted on doing our
• 1:05:11
  own, doing our own eye movements and head movements.
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  And I think it was, I think it was effective.
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  I think it was I just think it brings a certain Unity to, you
• 1:05:23
  know, just just having the eye and the head move together.
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  Just sells it in a way that I think can't be substituted and
• 1:05:33
  then I did the same thing I did with squonk.
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  I like just made sure that there was a lot of fluidity in it and
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  just made sure that even even if there's not a lot of Bend in the
• 1:05:42
  whole situation, you know, you can still, you can still get a
• 1:05:46
  lot of motion. And why did I use that hair?
• 1:05:49
  It goes, it went everywhere. But everywhere that, you know,
• 1:05:57
  Limbs and head and torso couldn't bend or move, but boy
• 1:06:01
  that the hair translated everything every turn and every
• 1:06:04
  look, and I just used it. Use it, used it.
• 1:06:07
  So that was fun. What's it like for you to?
• 1:06:11
  Because you're obviously performing bribe, but the voice
• 1:06:15
  is being done by and your tailor Joy.
• 1:06:18
  So, What luck? Now granted, this is something I
• 1:06:22
  should probably know, but are you puppeteering to something
• 1:06:26
  she's already done? Or is she coming in afterwards?
• 1:06:30
  She wasn't cast until afterwards.
• 1:06:33
  Most of them were not cast, until the director had really
• 1:06:36
  gotten a chance to see how those characters developed is that he
• 1:06:39
  wanted. The cast the right person, for,
• 1:06:42
  as that as the as the show required at that point, and And
• 1:06:49
  I don't know if he'd had her in mind or not.
• 1:06:52
  Her career was really, I mean, it was already very prominent by
• 1:06:57
  then, but we hadn't seen the Queens Gambit or anything like I
• 1:07:00
  shouldn't have skyrocketed. Yeah and so I am not sure if
• 1:07:08
  he'd had her in mind or not and I'm not sure if today she'd even
• 1:07:11
  be able to find the time to do it.
• 1:07:12
  I just feel like we got really lucky that sweet spot in her in
• 1:07:16
  her career because I think she's wonderful.
• 1:07:17
  I think she's perfect and And so I acted all those teams live
• 1:07:23
  pradana scratch track and I fortunately was coached very,
• 1:07:29
  very heavily on what it seems by Louise gold who's such a fine
• 1:07:32
  actor and a lot of my scenes were with a lot of my most
• 1:07:36
  emotional scenes, were with Louise who plays praise mother
• 1:07:40
  the all madra. And so I really feel like, I
• 1:07:46
  feel like the feel like the acting was Is there.
• 1:07:49
  But then what what Anya Taylor Joy was able to do is if she
• 1:07:54
  needed more time, if she needed to take a beat if she needed to
• 1:07:57
  change the tempo of something, they would just cut to an over
• 1:08:00
  for a minute and they'd open the track and then they come back
• 1:08:03
  for the reaction shot and should continue the line.
• 1:08:05
  So they they edited and gave her a little more space to
• 1:08:07
  accommodate what she felt she needed to do as well.
• 1:08:10
  Yeah, so and of course improved You know, so much on some of the
• 1:08:18
  choices that I made I realized, oh, I ran through that line.
• 1:08:21
  She took a big pause in the middle of it and it's so much
• 1:08:23
  better. Kudos, I remember a certain
• 1:08:31
  specific spots, I can't come up with any off the top of my head
• 1:08:34
  right now, but where I realized, oh, she made a really different
• 1:08:38
  choice and I like it. There was nothing I disagreed
• 1:08:40
  with so happy with that. You also play the the ornament,
• 1:08:47
  excuse me, ornamental list, ask axis, which seems like, first of
• 1:08:52
  all, is a completely different set of skills than performing a
• 1:08:55
  gulf line. I'm curious how uncomfortable it
• 1:09:00
  was being inside one of those costumes and for like how
• 1:09:05
  difficult it was to play a character that technically
• 1:09:08
  exists in the original film, but not a whole lot like not quite
• 1:09:13
  enough. If to get a gist of like, who
• 1:09:16
  the character is and how to make it your own?
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, yeah. We didn't get a sense of who he
• 1:09:21
  she, it, they are. And in the, in the, in the
• 1:09:24
  movie. I mean, there's this wonderful
• 1:09:26
  little fussy bit with the but, but other than that, not, not
• 1:09:31
  really, and yeah, they made up wonderful backstories for all
• 1:09:36
  these probably skeksis. Yes, other than being able to
• 1:09:40
  keep up with your mouth and your hand.
• 1:09:41
  The skills are not related. At all.
• 1:09:44
  But I mean the mind her strapped to your chest and you're looking
• 1:09:48
  straight down is heavy. It's hot.
• 1:09:50
  It's disorient was going to ask those things were heavy.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, yeah. And every time every time we got
• 1:09:58
  used to it and we were egging each other on.
• 1:10:00
  We were we were just really, really pushing each other all
• 1:10:05
  the time. And, you know, there's a whole
• 1:10:07
  lot of, if you can do it, I can do it going on and right and
• 1:10:13
  bye. By the time, we'd all gotten
• 1:10:15
  comfortable in doing the sort of normal sex scenes.
• 1:10:18
  Then suddenly we came in one day, and they all had armor on.
• 1:10:23
  They had these plates of armor and they had dresses and things
• 1:10:25
  like that. And so suddenly the quite a lot
• 1:10:27
  heavier, there's a heat wave, it was July and when we're in an
• 1:10:31
  older wasn't a Sound Stage, because we weren't rolling
• 1:10:34
  production sound. A lot of times when we're doing
• 1:10:36
  those scenes, we're doing these very intimate scenes in.
• 1:10:41
  There's construction. Going on, literally, 30 feet
• 1:10:44
  away, you know with with power tools and that because we're not
• 1:10:48
  getting production audio with all scratch track.
• 1:10:50
  Yeah. You'd be like weeping over the
• 1:10:53
  death of your mother and you'd hear a circular saw going right
• 1:10:56
  next to because they had. So anyway, so it was hot and it
• 1:11:05
  was heavy was often very, very loud.
• 1:11:07
  There was shooting those compost cannons up through the floor for
• 1:11:10
  the battle scenes. And, and just no, just when we
• 1:11:14
  felt like we'd gotten You know, we'd like gotten our arms around
• 1:11:18
  that with the armor on it, then they put those sort of
• 1:11:21
  intimidating flag things on those spikes that rose up out of
• 1:11:24
  the off of their backs and he particularly scary.
• 1:11:28
  And those were those were these thin metal, they were sharp.
• 1:11:31
  They Tangled in the trees, in the set, the set pieces that
• 1:11:35
  were hanging down and we had to walk under these trees.
• 1:11:37
  In those flags would get just, it was almost too much.
• 1:11:42
  Like you got to be kidding me. We got, can we cut the flags?
• 1:11:45
  You like, no, we're doing the flags.
• 1:11:47
  So we just, we just push through and we just did it.
• 1:11:52
  And again, we just kept saying, you can do it.
• 1:11:53
  I can do it earlier. We're 12 adults, and I think
• 1:11:56
  everybody at some point either cried or vomited or had a panic
• 1:12:01
  attack are all three like, it was a lot.
• 1:12:04
  It was a lot, I think, I think I threw my back out, just yank,
• 1:12:09
  that story, it sounds, but it was green like we did 12 that we
• 1:12:12
  loved it. We loved it.
• 1:12:16
  Was nobody could get enough. So, well, hopefully Netflix
• 1:12:21
  comes through their senses and and does another one or someone
• 1:12:28
  because my God, like the first of all, the full season, it's so
• 1:12:32
  good. It's so good.
• 1:12:34
  I'm also like the puppets are. Oh yeah, we loved it.
• 1:12:38
  The puppets are made like they're just sitting there
• 1:12:40
  waiting. Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  For someone to just Greenlight a second season and we got to know
• 1:12:45
  what happens next, you know, you know, we need to do it sir.
• 1:12:48
  It's a crime. Uncle states, that calms Uncle
• 1:12:52
  Steve hang on. Let me get him on speakerphone.
• 1:12:55
  I think Steve. Somebody somebody's going to be
• 1:12:57
  crazy enough to do it once a generation.
• 1:13:00
  Yep. No, that's that's and we'll get
• 1:13:03
  it. We'll get it again in another 40
• 1:13:04
  years and that's, that's just going to be.
• 1:13:07
  Well, I can't wait for it. Mmm.
• 1:13:10
  So it's going to be. I hope we read it until around 2
• 1:13:15
  to review it, or do a podcast about it or whatever the You
• 1:13:19
  know, 2060 version of podcast will be while we've taken up a
• 1:13:26
  lot of heat. I'm Alice, we end with a set of
• 1:13:29
  questions. This is the first episode of
• 1:13:31
  season 2. So we have brand-new questions.
• 1:13:34
  Oh God. So as quick as you like don't
• 1:13:37
  feel they have to expand too much.
• 1:13:40
  What is the food you hate every Cuts?
• 1:13:43
  Interesting. What is your go-to karaoke song?
• 1:13:50
  True Colors. Who could a choice?
• 1:13:54
  What is the sound of one hand clapping?
• 1:13:57
  There isn't one. now, I have a list here of 250 questions, if
• 1:14:04
  you could, please pick a number between 1 and 250, 157.
• 1:14:10
  Hell is this Jared? Oh God.
• 1:14:13
  This is a deep question. I wasn't expecting this.
• 1:14:16
  All right? What life lessons have?
• 1:14:18
  You had to learn the hard way, find the nicest guy in the world
• 1:14:23
  and Don't let go, I like it in. So the lesson is find Peter
• 1:14:31
  Lynch. Yes, it is a little too
• 1:14:37
  specific. That's all right.
• 1:14:41
  Now we know Lost episode last interview, episode least of this
• 1:14:45
  podcast, we had Bill and Jean Beretta here together.
• 1:14:48
  They both asked a question each without knowing who the guest
• 1:14:52
  was going to be Jean asked, why did you accept this invitation
• 1:14:55
  to be here? Oh because a because you guys
• 1:14:59
  are important, we respect and value and need your work and any
• 1:15:06
  way we can help or contribute their IQ and likewise, thank
• 1:15:11
  you, that's very kind. Then Bill asked who does your
• 1:15:15
  hair Oh, well during lockdown. It was aisle 12 at Walgreens,
• 1:15:23
  but I got to say that in general, I spend way too much on
• 1:15:28
  my hair and maybe I should just let it go.
• 1:15:30
  Great. Fair enough.
• 1:15:34
  And finally, with that knowing who it is.
• 1:15:35
  What question would you like our next guest to answer what
• 1:15:41
  musical instrument? Do not play but really wish that
• 1:15:44
  you could I like it. Excellent, that's a good one.
• 1:15:49
  Alistair question can't thank you enough yours delightful as I
• 1:15:53
  hoped you'd be and thank you for all the amazing work you've
• 1:15:57
  done. I feel like you know I wish you
• 1:16:00
  had like a main character. Because you know, you've been
• 1:16:04
  one of the I feel like background performers but for so
• 1:16:08
  long, I just feel like we need to, we need to give you one of
• 1:16:11
  the main ones so that everyone can just rally behind that
• 1:16:13
  character. I really appreciate that.
• 1:16:17
  I would love it if that did happen but I feel like Having
• 1:16:22
  done Brea. I feel I can die happy.
• 1:16:24
  Okay, fair enough Alice again, thank you very much.
• 1:16:30
  Thank you so much for having me, and thank you genuinely, for
• 1:16:33
  everything that you do to support all of this madness.
• 1:16:36
  Thank you.