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Which Tower? · Outcast

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All right, we're back. All right, we're back.
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Another episode for those that have been listening, God bless.
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And those that are new, God bless as well.
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And before we start, you know we're going to pray.
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Lord, I thank you so much for once again for being here, God,
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and strengthening us and lead us into the absolute truth.
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In your holy name I pray. Amen.
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So we have someone we've had before.
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Welcome, Diego. Oh yes, I'm glad to be here
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again. That's great.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's good, man. It's good stuff.
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How you been, man? How you?
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Been how's how's things so far? Now things are going all right,
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you know, I hope everybody's having a blessed starts of their
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week, by the way. Pretty much it.
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Right, right. Yeah, Whoever's listening as
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well. Absolutely.
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What's anything new with you lately?
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Well, I guess what's what you could say is new is no, I guess
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as as you guys know and some other people in our group know,
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you know recently is I was laid off from my most recent job.
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So I was laid off and I knew, I knew why I was laid off.
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But then at the same time I'm like, why is this happening?
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An interesting time, especially, Yeah.
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Because, you know, it's like the weather is getting starting to
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get nicer. And then, I don't know, just a
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lot of thoughts in my head going on and I'm thinking Nah, like I
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really won't have much to do. All right, right.
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And then and then you guys were quick to remind me.
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Yeah, but utilize. It's time to get closer to God
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or or learn to get closer to God.
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So in this time that you, you know, you got laid off, like it
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seems like, did you go out of your way to reach out to jobs or
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were you just like, I'm just going to weigh interest on God,
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Like what was your first reaction?
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Be honest, you know. I will be honest, probably in my
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first week. So I was laid off for three.
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I mean, I was laid off indefinitely, but then I found
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work 3 weeks later, which they actually started my first day at
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my new job. But the point is going back to
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that first week of being laid off, definitely some weird
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sensations there because I'm just a person that's so used to
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just going to work and I've never knew what, you know what
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not going to work is like, right?
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Knowing I don't have a job, but looking for work, I will say
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probably in the first few days of that week, I will say I was
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just looking at Indeed a lot. Just looking at a little
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scrolling and applying up whatever seemed attractive to my
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interests. Or like the first week when you
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got laid off, you say? Yeah, I'm referring to that
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week. Right, OK, OK, right, OK.
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And then after that, like what? What kind of happened after
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that? I just thought, well, mind you I
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did did get some emails back even one one job interview,
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which was prior to the week of prior to the week of getting
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laid off. I had a job interview if you
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remembered, which that seemed like it went well and it seemed
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like a promising job. Just something didn't sit right
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with me afterwards, even with especially with some of the jobs
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I was looking at, because it just it just seemed like some of
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those jobs are just going to take up too much of my free time
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or especially time with, you know, with the Lord, you know,
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like, you know, meeting up with you guys for Bible studies or or
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readings that barn and noble. Oh, I got you.
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I see what you're saying. You.
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Know that's that's it, yeah. No, yeah, I, I know, I know.
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Especially. What happened?
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A lot of thinking. Yeah, No, for believers, how do
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I say this? Because in the secular world,
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right, you can. You can pretty much just like
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how do I say this? And I've, I believe we've spoken
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it before, but we haven't spoken necessarily too deep.
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You know what I mean by like organic and artificial
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blessings? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't want to touch on that subject because I believe we've
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spoken about it before on the on the other part on the episodes,
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I'm not sure. But for a believer is
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challenging. I mean, but it depends, right,
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What kind of believer, I guess you could say, right.
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Yeah, believer is just scratching the surface.
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You know, they believe that basically the quote that I ended
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up, I ended the the previous episode like don't let your
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ambitious dictate what you want to do for God.
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Yeah, absolutely. Not only just don't let your
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ambitious dictate what you want to do for God, but also you're
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also determining that your desires and goals you you think
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that God is going to align with you in that.
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So essentially, believers have a.
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They're go getters. That's not a necessarily a bad
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thing. No, it's definitely not a bad
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thing to be a go to have the go getter personality.
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It means you know, you are determined to, you know,
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determined to get a task done or get tasks done with correct
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within a within a certain time frame.
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And, you know, it's a part of a, it's a part of somebody's
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character for sure. Yeah.
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But there can be also negative consequences to that.
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Yeah, In regards to go getter because I mean, I mean as a
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believer you're, you're not necessarily.
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I mean, we know that we have to work to to eat.
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Yeah, yeah. No, we definitely do have to
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work to eat. But here's the problem.
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Like, you know, The thing is that like, since we live, you
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know, we do live in this country where like we can find jobs
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anywhere. Literally bro.
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At at any time, right, you could get a job tomorrow and people
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and people say like, oh, you know, I ate, I ate, I ate, I
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ate, right? But the only thing about the
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physical bread and then when it comes to the spiritual bread,
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which you know comes from God, then they don't really consider
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that part of it. They don't consider that the
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part of like, is this really going to get me closer to God or
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farther away from God? They're just like, oh, wow, this
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is a higher paycheck. This is from God.
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But we look at scripture, who is the best man that has come out
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of a woman? John the Baptist, his name was
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John the Baptist. He's a hobo in the wilderness.
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Technically, yeah. The JA crickets and honey.
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Grasshoppers. Yeah, and Christ was like, he's
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one of the best man has come out of a woman.
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So we know we're so fixated on like building in the tower,
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continue to growing and building that tower.
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You know what? I want you to find that verse.
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No, I'm going to. I'm going to but.
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But back on to what Diego said and what Joe's saying, like
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having a go, you know, what was that go go go getter?
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I mean having a go getter mentality, I said it's not
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exactly a bad thing, no? It's a good thing, right?
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It's. Definitely a part of somebody's
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character, as I mentioned, but I don't think that should be
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somebody's identity either. Correct.
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I like how you said that and adding to what Joe just said
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about how like we don't consider right, if that will bring you
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closer or keep your way right, right or minimize the time or it
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will dwindle your flame before the Lord.
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And so it's almost like I had there's like, again, our brother
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Wilmer, he, he mentioned how like there's these little
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sacrifices you're going to have to make along the way.
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Yeah, so when? You walk with them, right?
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Right. Right.
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Like I did want to emphasize a little bit on the on the story.
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Like I did want to emphasize though, so one of my one of my
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good friends, one of my good friends, he was telling me about
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a job opportunity. Well, actually it was, to be
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honest, it was two job opportunities, 2 potential ones.
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But I didn't really think of much of it.
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But then he told me about it and I tried at the one spot and then
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he was then I just knew right from the bat it wasn't.
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It wasn't meant to be because somehow I few date because I
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called the guy first. I called the boss and I asked
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him, oh, you know, got openings, yes, yadda, yadda.
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And then he said, yes, I do have a job openings.
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And then then a few days later I called him back because I wanted
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to, you know, get back in touch with them to see what what he
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had to offer or what or what else was there because I wanted
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a better description of the job and then call him back.
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I think it was called him initially on a Monday, and then
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I called him on Thursday, a Thursday of that week.
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And then I call him. He picks up the phone and he
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asked me, oh, who's calling? I was like, I don't know, it's
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me Diego calling, you know, from from Monday.
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Remember our conversation. And then literally, he hangs up
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on me. Oh, really?
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Like legit. Yeah, legit.
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Like the call just like ended, so I just knew.
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Nah, he definitely hung up on me.
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That's crazy. Like.
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I don't know what. Yeah, you didn't tell us that.
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This is the first time I hear this.
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Yeah. No, this is new, Yeah.
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How'd you, how'd you feel about that, knowing that you could
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have had an opportunity? Yet it was a pretty solid
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opportunity that it was meeting. It was meeting characteristics,
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especially with good hours. But then I realized then that's
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not where God needs me. Then He doesn't want me to be
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there maybe. Yeah, 'cause The thing is, like
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we've said this before. I was convinced at that point.
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You know, for those who don't know the he, he, he likes the
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idea of, you know, driving semi trucks.
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Yeah, right. And that seems to be like his
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passion. Yeah.
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But not, you know, not just you like other believers sometimes,
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sometimes, sometimes kind of doesn't really care about your
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passions like you, not that like he doesn't care in a
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disrespectful way. No, no, no, yeah, he just okay.
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It's more like, that's great, it's cute.
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But here's what I have for you, my will, you know what I mean?
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Like, you know, the last episode we recorded, we talked about how
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like we don't have free will and we don't.
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And I'm firm with that. We only have a choice.
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And the only one that has free will is God because he can will
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to whatever he wants. He declares, like we said
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before, if that is eternal or if that is not eternal, he, he's
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God, He can do whatever he wants.
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So for you to say that you can involve your passions and
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desires and goals into his will, you know you're kind of foolish
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for that. Yeah.
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It's kind of foolish to be like. And I know that's hard to hear.
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That almost a gun. No, no, that's just hard to
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hear. I was going to say by what Brian
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just said, and now that I think about that, that almost sounds
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disrespectful. Lord, if you're trying to put
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your passions ahead of them, or if you're trying to dictate
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like, you know, you're trying to dictate the God that no, this is
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my passion, This is what I want to do, and I want you to make it
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happen. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's almost, it's almost like
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you're disrespecting God. I mean, think about it, it's
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like you're putting your goals and dreams as if it's equal to
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God. It's not that's nothing to God.
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Think about it like, not even the Seraphim's who are like,
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literally next to God, who are like way, like, you know,
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they're, they're probably so majestic.
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I bet you they don't even do that.
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They do God's will. All they do is say holy, holy,
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you know, all day long, right? Yeah.
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So it's like to say that you were going to put your goals and
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dreams right next to God's standards or God's playing
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field. You're a fool.
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Oh. Yeah, quite, quite honestly,
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like when you, when you had told us that you were, you know,
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they're letting you go, right? Yeah.
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Like I was kind of like excited for you.
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Now that's going to sound ridiculous for some people.
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Oh yeah, they're oh, you're selfish, whatever.
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But to me, but to me the reason why I was like excited was
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because like this is good in. A way like.
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The key like in my opinion is you need this.
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Yes, yes, absolutely. Right.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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Now, other people who get fired, you deserve it because you never
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got your act together. You should have known to do
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better. Yeah, but that wasn't
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necessarily your case. You were doing.
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You're giving a your. All Yeah, you were doing your
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best, yeah. Perhaps you just couldn't deal
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with the poor management or whatever that may be, But I
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thought in my head I was like, no, this is this is a good thing
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for you, man, right? Yeah, like I'm not throwing
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anybody under the bus, but yeah, that's my last job.
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Yeah, especially the environment with the management.
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Yeah, it wasn't the, IT wasn't the greatest.
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And yeah, just I did my best at my job and it just wasn't the
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place for me. And you know, God decided to put
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that in their hearts to let me go.
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No. So that's why when you told me
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that. It sounds weird, like, you know,
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somebody who like you mentioned, like somebody who's not a
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believer like me saying this or you saying I'm excited that you
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got like fired. Or no, I know.
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I don't know what they're gonna think.
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They would think. They would think it's absolutely
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stupid. Yeah.
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People would see it as like a bad thing.
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They would be like, guys, pray for me.
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Pray for you for what? Like what do you mean like so
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that you can have another job the same way or you can get a
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better job that like gives you a higher pay.
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Like what? What do you mean by praying?
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Do you mean like so God can mold you in that process?
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Like what type of prayer are we talking about?
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Yeah, because exactly. Or because I have a like, I'm
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not trying to put you on like under the bus here, but like
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when you like got the Chatham job, like wherever you're
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working, Did you initially ask God?
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No, I didn't ask God for it so. And that happens with with a lot
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of many, I would say some believers, many believers like
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then after something happens, then they want prayer now.
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Yes, yes, we. Didn't even ask prayer for the
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first time. The first time, correct?
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Or even consult. God, yeah, Now you want
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consultation. Yeah, yeah.
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Which in, in, in, yes, it's good.
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But now, now, now you want prayer because you just applied
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to another place and now you're hoping that this one pans out.
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That was my mentality right there, like, you know, just
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applying to places blindly and I'm like, I'm praying to God,
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like, like. Yeah, we got this.
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And The thing is, we don't want to be cornered or be against the
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wall with the sword because we're like, Oh my God, the bill
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is coming, right? Or I'll have to tap into my
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savings and all that. But I'm like, but you're OK,
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though. You're not sleeping in the
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street. No.
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You're not a hobo. Yeah.
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Like, you're not like John the Baptist, like, just randomly
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wandering around, right. Like you have, you know, where
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you can shower. You have money to eat.
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Yeah. And and we, we think like, like,
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because the culture's like that in America.
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We're like in this survival mode.
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Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah.
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You're tweaking. Yeah, right.
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Absolutely. I don't know what I'm just
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saying. Right, right.
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It's just the yeah, like when I, when you, you know, Brian and
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Oscar, you know, were telling me about, you know, about what I
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was going through or even at first, I was actually not
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understanding it at first. No, yeah, I could tell.
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I could tell you. You there's like friction.
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You're almost like. I was confused.
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I don't think confused. I think you were just like being
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charged because like, Oh my God, these, these kids, like these
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guys, they're just, I don't understand.
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They're willing to just give up. You know, you know, like like
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you said before, like when we hang out, you were like, dude,
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no one, no one, not even that churches have have actually
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spoken to me like this, like saying like basically what we
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were telling you is literally what every church should say.
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Just trust God. They say that, but do they
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really know what do they understand what that means?
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Like when we explained it, when we explained it to you, then you
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were like, whoa, like no one has ever really like said this to me
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and we're just going based off of what Scripture says.
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Well, I'm going to say like, you know, that's not I'm definitely
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now I know at least within our our circle, I know I'm
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definitely not the first person to say it now because, you know,
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you had a conversation with our one of our female friends in our
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group. Yeah, no names mentioned here,
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but yeah, even she said on Sunday that we had the talk with
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her and she said, well, you were especially having the talk with
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her, Oscar. And she said, wow, like, I can't
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believe no one at church and whether it's my current church
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or on my past church, like, you know, nobody's talked to me this
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way. And she's, she was almost like,
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not like. She was just like, like, I
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wouldn't even say shocked. Not shocked but couldn't
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understand what was going. On she was just like and she was
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taking it. She wanted this.
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Yes, right. Yes, she was.
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She was humble about it, too. And The thing is like, like the
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things that I said to her, Yeah. My reaction to when you lost
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your job, I just see it like it's a this is a good thing.
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A good thing, right? Yeah.
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Like a good thing because in your case, right, you have now
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time that that the job takes away from you for you to
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meditate. Thank God, read his scripture.
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Yep, right. In her case, your friend, she
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needs to slow down. She can't just escape and run
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away, right? There is a sense of resisting,
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yes, but resisting doesn't necessarily mean always to run
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away. But there there is some
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scripture where it says run from us to run away from it.
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From Lust, Yeah, right. But you can't you?
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That should be a balance. No, yeah, I mean it says run
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away from lust, but then other things like in life and
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scripture doesn't say to run away, but rather to bring it to
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God and trust God the more. You know what I mean?
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See, the more I meditate or the more I was meditating, what I
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was so affected on just looking for a job, like something like I
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was looking for something that at least originally I was
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looking for something that just paid very well.
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And I wasn't really thinking about the pros and the cons of
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how it could affect me in my daily life or spiritually.
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And then I come to find out that really like the pay.
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I mean, of course the pay does matter, but but it really it
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did. But it didn't matter at the same
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time. Like it wasn't something you
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should be focused on, is that what you're saying?
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Yes and no. I I would like to say yes and no
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because yes, definitely you should be worried about the pay,
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but in but in the in the sense no, because at least you would,
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you would want to be somewhere where, you know, you're at least
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making enough to, you know, to survive or pay your bills
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necessities. That's when I really thought
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that mattered the most in the end.
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Right. Yeah.
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So the job I'm at now, I just started.
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I stumbled across that, across that, through one of my friends.
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Yeah, I stumbled. I stumbled across it through my
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friends. And then funny thing is he
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discovered it before even me. So I wasn't even looking for
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that. And then I just walk into the
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office and they say, oh, like, oh, you're looking for a job
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then. And and then you have the job
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now, right? Yeah, you know, they just told
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me, oh, come try out one of these days.
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And let me ask you, how's your schedule?
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OK, it's, it's not your average 9:00 to 5:00, but I get in at
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5:00 in the morning and I'm getting off anywhere between
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let's say 2:00 in the afternoon or 4:00 in the afternoon.
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So you still pretty much, I still pretty much have the day
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to myself and, you know, definitely have time to, you
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know, especially catch up with Brian Oscar read scripture or
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even if it was on my own time. Yeah, so that's why.
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Or meditate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So that's why I was like excited when when you know, when he lost
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his job, because I was like, this is good for him to
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administer and administrate his time with God and being diligent
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how important it actually is, like because I'm going to tell
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you something, man. I manage.
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Our lives, our lives as believers are completely
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different from the secular world, bro.
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Like, it's not going to be the same dude.
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They're not going to understand. There's just no shot there to
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understand that, be you Catholic, Orthodox, or
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Protestant. It's just our life is different.
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It's very different. At any moment you try to make it
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similar to the secular, it's because you want it to be the
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same, correct? Absolutely.
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You know, and, and we're in America, obviously.
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Yeah, yeah. And there's a good, we were
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having this conversation too, that like the sacrifices that we
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make versus other people making sacrifices were they're
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different, they're on different levels, right.
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But over here, we live in a country that's very
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materialistic. Oh, way too materialistic.
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Very competitive. Yeah, I was going to say the
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competition because, you know, everybody wants the latest, the
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latest thing or the next best. Thing or whatever it is or you
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want to be the best at everything, it doesn't matter
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what it is. That'd be career, sports, music,
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no matter what, right, Right. It's already systematized,
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right, right. It's so artificial now.
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Mm hmm, right. And the only way to even have a
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taste of even like a taste of organic of that organic blessing
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is you kind of just have to like not trust in the system and kind
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of trust in God, not kind of like fully trusting.
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God, Fully trusting God. Yeah, absolutely.
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I. Definitely think, I definitely
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think there's a, there's a sense of lust to that, I guess.
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Lust for competition, Lust for ambition.
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The lust of life, exactly. You know, like lust doesn't only
23:31
I've realized at least maybe throughout the last two to three
23:35
years. Yeah, that's a that's a good
23:37
time frame. But yeah, I've realized that
23:41
that lust is not only not only sex related, you could have
23:47
lust, you could be lustful towards other things that are
23:50
completely unrelated to it. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
23:53
You can listen over a lot of things.
23:56
Some people lust over money, some people lust over careers,
23:59
lust over ambition. Yeah.
24:01
Well, yeah, you could. Yeah.
24:02
Like I said, you could lust for anything.
24:05
Yeah, absolutely. Do you want to read the verse?
24:07
Because I, I, I, I believe you have it.
24:09
Yes, I do go for now. Like before I read this, right?
24:14
Like we're going to read something like I, you know, when
24:21
I first read it, I was like, wow, it really amazed me.
24:25
But this right here, this what we're about to read really
24:30
reminds me of like everything that's going on right now.
24:33
So I'm about to read it right now.
24:34
It's Luke chapter 14 verse 25 all the way to 35.
24:42
OK all. Right, so it says here now great
24:48
crowds were travelling with him. So he turned and said to them,
24:55
sounds, doesn't that sound familiar, right.
24:57
A great crowd. What's happening now?
25:00
Everybody wants to follow Christ.
25:01
All of a sudden everybody. So Christ, he turns.
25:04
It's like this emotion. Yes, this emotion that like, Oh
25:06
yes, you know, this is so cool is you know, this is.
25:09
The adrenaline, that adrenaline, we're following this guy, yes.
25:12
We're following him. We're following him.
25:13
So Jesus, you know, he turns, he turns to them.
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What were you gonna? Say no you not since you read
25:21
that that verse. What book was that book?
25:23
In chapter Luke. Chapter 14 OK, yeah.
25:27
So you were just reading up on that and I like how it said
25:31
crowd and then you brought up like, oh, like a lot of people
25:34
are starting to follow Christ right now, right?
25:37
But then it makes me think for some reason I feel like on
25:40
social media especially, I mean this is going off topic a little
25:44
now, but. No, it it does tie.
25:47
Up with it. No, I'll tie up with it.
25:48
Absolutely, go for it. Eventually it will.
25:50
Yeah, you're right. You're right.
25:51
I'll take back what I said. What?
25:53
Verse is that I'm sorry before you move forward.
25:55
Luke chapter 14, verse 25 all. Right.
25:58
Cool. All the way to 35 I got it.
26:01
Go ahead and finish what you're gonna say.
26:02
Yeah. And I was saying on second
26:04
thought, yeah, I'll take back what I just said because yeah,
26:07
it does tie in very well because all of a sudden, like there's a
26:12
huge Instagram, Instagram huge trend.
26:14
So a huge. Trend so.
26:16
Like Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, you're seeing all
26:20
these reels of people following Christ.
26:23
Like I even showed my friend Brian like the other day I was
26:28
actually I thought it was quite hysterical like the thought of
26:33
this of this Instagram reel and slash idea.
26:36
I thought it was hysterical at the same time, but very
26:38
disturbing at the same time because it was like a group of
26:43
Christian women forming this nightclub, this Christian
26:47
nightclub in LA. Oh.
26:49
Christian Christian Club. Yeah, you've you've talked.
26:51
About Yeah, we, we've, we've talked about this before.
26:53
Like that was actually such a thing like.
26:56
This. There's one like in Florida, one
26:58
in Cali. The one I read I saw on
27:00
Instagram, it was apparently it was like in LA or yeah and like
27:03
that. And she said supposedly the the
27:06
girl I started, it said God told us to start a a Christian club.
27:11
That's yeah, I remember. I remember I said that.
27:13
To you I was like, I don't know what God you're listening to.
27:15
But no, no, mind you, we're, we're call meanies.
27:22
Oh, you guys are judging people like come on, man.
27:24
We're not, we're not judging anybody.
27:26
No, like you, you, you need, you need to know the difference of
27:29
like, who are you speaking to, like and who are you listening
27:32
to your own consciousness or your subconscious like, like.
27:36
Right. Yeah, yeah.
27:38
Like people forget that they have a conscience too.
27:40
Like, yeah, like you can talk to yourself in your brain.
27:41
Like don't, don't, don't, don't tell me that you don't.
27:44
Right. But that's a different
27:45
conversation, though. Exactly.
27:47
But but but what you were saying, based on what he just
27:49
read, you're noticing this trend happening in social media.
27:53
People are just coming to Christ.
27:54
You know, you're just coming to Christ.
27:56
And then you're just like, they're coming to Christ and
27:59
they don't understand what that actually, yes, genuinely means
28:02
at a deeper level. I feel like a lot of people are
28:04
doing it out of just pure emotion without even realizing
28:08
what it actually means. Like for instance, like just to
28:11
throw a little humor in there. I was actually, I was actually
28:15
laugh. I was dying at one of the
28:16
comments in that, in that reel about that Christian nightclub
28:19
in Cali. And one of the question, I don't
28:22
know, one of the comments said, if I'm not mistaken, I think it
28:26
said club. All right.
28:28
I can't even remember the name it was either.
28:34
I don't know. It was either like Club, it was
28:36
either like Club Moab or that's too far, I can't or something
28:40
like that. I can't even see.
28:42
I can't even take these. What?
28:44
Club Moab. And you know what?
28:46
Like you, Something like that. And when he reads it, you will
28:50
understand why that bro, like I understand why that came up.
28:54
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you want to continue
28:56
reading. Makes complete sense.
28:59
So it says here, I mean let me start from 25 now great crowds
29:04
that were travelling with him. So he turned and said to them,
29:11
this is Christ telling them right.
29:12
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and
29:20
mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and
29:30
even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
29:36
Are we still disciples of Christ?
29:37
Are we? Are we disciples?
29:39
Oh man, because some Christians believe that we're not
29:42
disciples. This blows my mind because
29:46
Christ was pretty clear about this.
29:48
Are we disciples? And a disciples is not just
29:50
someone who follows from a distance, no.
29:53
It's. Not you walk, think definitely
29:55
like him in every way. Yes, absolutely.
29:58
He is your blood, your breath, everything.
30:02
Not some symbol, not something that you write down, not
30:05
something that you go on a Sunday and read.
30:06
It's he's your life pretty. Much.
30:09
It's everything. It's everything.
30:11
Exactly. Now moving on, he says.
30:14
Whoever does not bear his own cross.
30:18
So everybody has to bear their own cross.
30:20
You're not, you know what I mean.
30:22
And come after me cannot be my disciple.
30:29
Now he moves on to this part, which is really interesting.
30:31
Pay close attention to what he says, and you can pause me at
30:34
any time. For which of you wanting to
30:38
build a tower doesn't first sit down and calculate the cost to
30:46
see if he has enough to complete it.
30:50
Otherwise after he has laid the foundation and cannot finish it,
30:55
all the onlookers will begin to ridicule him saying this man
31:00
started to build and wasn't able to finish.
31:03
Now what do you guys think about that one?
31:05
That's gonna be I think this play for literally first came to
31:09
my mind. That's gonna be 1 expensive
31:11
tower because. I'm.
31:14
Sorry about the way you said. This it's an expensive tower in
31:17
the sense that you know you're doing it.
31:20
Essentially, you're doing it at your at your own cost, meaning
31:27
you're building that tower at your own risk spiritually.
31:31
Oh, I see. No, I see where you're coming
31:33
from. Yeah, you see.
31:34
It's the best way I could kind of describe that, yeah.
31:37
Right, right, right. So no, it's interesting.
31:39
So you're, you're looking at it in this way, you're saying that
31:42
like when when you walk, when you walk in this walk with God,
31:46
it's you're going all in. Is that what you're trying to
31:48
say? I'm sorry, review that again.
31:51
So when you're going in this walk with God, are you trying to
31:53
say that you're going all in with this walk?
31:55
Is that what you're saying? No, with what I was saying is
31:59
that's going to be an expensive tower.
32:00
No, that's not what I was implying.
32:02
What I was implying was an expensive tower.
32:04
So pretty much it's like you're challenging God by wanting to
32:09
keep building that tower. Ah.
32:11
That's what I say with the risk, right, that's.
32:14
What I meant by? Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
32:17
You're building that tower at your own risk and that's why I
32:20
said it's gonna be expensive because the consequence will be
32:23
will be expensive. So it's.
32:24
Gonna be tough so so so you understand what this means then?
32:27
Huh. Yeah.
32:28
Yeah, Immediately. Yeah.
32:30
Immediately, so you understand. I don't know how this goes over.
32:32
No, dude, some people interpret this as like, you see, you have
32:36
to plan for your life. You see, you have to sit back
32:38
and plan because look, even Christ says you know you sit
32:41
back otherwise people are going to make fun of you.
32:43
Well, that's why in the beginning he says, hate your
32:46
life, hate your family. Hating your life would imply
32:50
that if you started with the foundation now, you just stop
32:52
building it. Yes.
32:54
So how do you how do you interpret this bro?
32:58
Well, for me, it's like, for me, it hit me really hard.
33:01
Right. I like the way Diego said it.
33:03
No. Yeah.
33:03
The way he's saying it, it's because he sees it from his
33:06
perspective. Yes to the life that he's
33:08
living. Yes, absolutely.
33:09
That's. Perfect the way you said it.
33:11
Because because of your sacrifices that you've made,
33:13
because you want to follow God, is that that's actually that's
33:16
the reason. Why?
33:17
And, and, but mind you, he's taught he's saying it from the
33:19
perspective of someone who essentially doesn't have or own
33:23
a business, right? Just building this lifestyle,
33:26
career, prepping yourself right, doing your thing, challenging
33:31
God. I like how he said that when I,
33:33
when we were reading this. I've read this so many times,
33:37
dude, right. But just recently kind of just
33:41
hit me harder because I've always been self-employed.
33:44
But at the level that I am right now, it's, it's a different kind
33:47
of self-employment because now, now that I'm self-employed, I'm
33:50
I'm also employing others. Yeah.
33:52
It's a lot much of a bigger scale.
33:56
So what happens is it feels great.
34:00
And although God gave me this, it's a blessing that he gave me,
34:03
right? And sometimes there's a tendency
34:05
for me to use that towards my advantage.
34:08
He's wicked, right? Such challenge got in those
34:11
those areas. So what starts to happen is
34:13
that, Oh well, you know, not that you care about what others
34:17
think or mostly family. I could care less what anybody
34:20
says, you know, you know, like, of course they see me, you know,
34:25
building this feels good. Yes, yeah.
34:30
But when we read this, I'm like, what?
34:33
In other words, at some point, this is something he gave me
34:36
that's foundational. Yeah, It's not a he didn't give
34:39
me a tower. He didn't say built a tower,
34:41
right? He just said this is a
34:42
foundation for now. Yes.
34:45
When I read this, read it, it reminded me like at some point
34:48
he's going to tell me you're done.
34:49
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
34:51
But see, this is from my perspective, not like from
34:53
Diego, but the way Diego said it was perfect, right?
34:55
From my perspective was coming from us as a business owner.
34:58
Uh huh. So it hit me hard.
35:00
Yeah, right. Because the following versus a
35:02
king knows when his defeat is. Right, right.
35:05
Yeah, yeah. So when I read this I was like,
35:08
bit us building the tower is our pride, our ego.
35:11
Our success, our career, absolutely.
35:13
But we want to be building that tower well, thinking we can
35:16
follow God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:18
Like that crowd so. Exactly.
35:20
And you know what, when I was reading this, I'm, I'm not even
35:22
joking, I had to read it like like a good like 15 times or I
35:26
don't even know how many times I read it, but I was like, what in
35:29
the world does this mean? And then they hit me.
35:31
I was like, ah, so I understand this now.
35:33
So when he says for which one of you wanting to build a tower
35:36
doesn't first sit down and calculate the cost, You know,
35:39
what do we do in our life? We're always calculating.
35:42
We're always calculating this risk, that risk, this outcome,
35:45
and that outcome. We're always calculating.
35:46
Every little right, calculating every little thing right but.
35:50
We always calculate. But we do it because either
35:53
we're helping our folks, our siblings.
35:58
Yes. It's because of someone.
36:00
Yes, yes, we're always trying to calculate this and.
36:03
That so in the context of all of this, because a lot of believers
36:06
like to say in the context, right, but in this in this
36:11
Christ is describing absolute loyalty.
36:13
Yes, it's what he's describing. Absolutely right.
36:16
Like undivided attention to him while at the same time bearing
36:21
your own cross. Yes, absolutely now.
36:24
And what happens when you come to Christ?
36:26
What does Christ say to us? Deny yourself.
36:30
Pick up your cross and follow me.
36:33
So that means that tower that you were planning on building
36:35
or. If you were already.
36:37
In it, or if you were, yeah, already in it, pretty.
36:39
Much destroy it. Now you gotta be like, well, I'm
36:42
not gonna build it anymore. And that, right there, is why I
36:45
was happy when Diego got fired, no offense.
36:52
I mean, now I think it's just the I just look back and I'm
36:54
like, Oh, yeah, it happened, yeah.
36:57
Yeah, and also remember, like even though God provided you
36:59
this job. Oh yeah, yeah.
37:01
And you in the beginning weren't OK with it when I asked you, are
37:04
you, would you be OK if you did, you know, sanitary stuff?
37:08
Yeah. So yeah, you just like, you
37:11
know, like I felt I never desired.
37:13
I didn't really feel bad, but of.
37:15
Course you didn't. But but yeah, I kind of was
37:19
like, this is good, this is good.
37:21
Yeah, this is good. Yeah, it's like.
37:23
This is the job I have right now.
37:25
Yeah, and you've learned this because you also know that it
37:28
can happen with this job too. Yeah, and if it could happen,
37:31
they could decide not to keep me.
37:33
To be like, you know, you'd be like, OK.
37:34
Yeah, no, when you're. No, no, no, go ahead, Go ahead.
37:37
I. Was like, I could walk in
37:38
tomorrow and they could say no, we don't need you anymore.
37:41
I know we can. Yeah, I know it can happen.
37:44
I mean hopefully not the case, but if God allows it then have
37:49
to deal with it. Well, so like man, like with God
37:52
bro, it's. Get challenge.
37:55
It's like what I'm getting out of this is basically like, yeah,
37:59
legit don't care what people say.
38:02
Yeah, because I mean, if you think about it, previous
38:04
episode, we're saying you don't have free will, David says.
38:07
I am going to give you sacrifice.
38:10
I'm a sacrifice, my free will. I'm gonna give my free will as
38:13
an I'm. Gonna give my free will as an
38:15
offering. As an offering, yes.
38:19
He's giving up his decisions. Yes.
38:22
OK. Once you recognize that, now
38:24
comes the application. Absolutely.
38:27
And that's the application that we're talking about.
38:28
I guess you could say that, right?
38:30
Yeah, how if you recognize and you say, right, I don't have
38:34
free will, just have choices. Yeah.
38:37
I think what I could say, I think what I really learned from
38:39
getting laid off is that was like the moment I realized, man.
38:43
So nothing really is forever here.
38:47
No, no. And and you know, you know what
38:50
man? Like honestly, that verse that
38:51
we've been hearing almost our whole life, we are not of this
38:55
world. How true?
38:56
Do we really believe that that verse?
38:57
You know what I mean? Like, do we really like see that
39:02
as like, no, we are not of this world.
39:05
So why, why should I be conformed to this world?
39:08
So whatever happens is going to happen.
39:09
Yeah, it's like, it's almost like we just give in too easily
39:12
to our thoughts and then it just leads us to making rational
39:16
decisions. And we start or.
39:18
At least we think they're rational, yeah.
39:20
We think they're rational. Right, right, right.
39:22
Absolutely. It's rational.
39:23
So continuing to it says or what king this is verse 31.
39:28
If people are following it Or what king when he sets out to
39:30
meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and
39:34
consider whether he is strong enough with 1010 thousand men to
39:39
face 1 coming against him with 20,000.
39:44
Otherwise, while the other is still far away, he sends a a
39:48
delegation and requests terms of peace.
39:51
So then none of you can be my disciple who does not give up
39:56
all his possess his own possessions.
39:59
Wow, look at that. Even a king, A king who has
40:02
dude, a king who has so much to lose, even he understands the
40:07
concept of surrendering. So being a disciple of him at a
40:12
certain level in your walk with Kud, uh huh.
40:15
As you abide in Him, you have to be OK with not occasionally, all
40:23
the time letting, letting, letting go of your possessions.
40:26
Not seasonally like how they like saying it every season in
40:29
this and that. It's daily.
40:30
Daily. It's a daily walk.
40:32
And I know even by the look you're giving, you're like, oh
40:34
God not. Like I remember, like I remember
40:38
like, you know, when I was, I was laid off and I realized,
40:41
man, like, you know, we could have everything and then just
40:45
lose it all in an instant. Yeah, that's what I really
40:49
learned. Like I always heard people say
40:51
that for the longest time, but I never really actually believed
40:56
it till that time. I'm like, oh, like, I'll be
40:59
honest, in my whole life, like granted, I've I've only lived
41:05
about 30 years, turned 30 in three weeks.
41:08
But the point is, I used to say to myself a lot, I don't think
41:13
I'm ever going to be let go from a job.
41:16
And it happened. Good.
41:19
I hope you learned. I hope you learned your lesson.
41:21
I. Hope you learned.
41:22
Literally, I challenged God with that, with saying that even
41:25
though it may have been a long time ago, but he remembers that.
41:28
He remembers everything. Yeah, yeah.
41:30
And mind you, being an employee, you at least have some sense of
41:36
security of being an employer. That's totally.
41:40
Difficult. Sometimes there's a sense of
41:41
just ambiguity and. Ambitious.
41:44
And you don't want to do and kind of like it's a lot of
41:48
things are happening, a lot of things are happening.
41:51
I think as an employer or the being an employer or being the
41:55
owner of your own business, of course more is demanded.
41:59
Yeah, definitely. But I think it's easier to be,
42:02
it's much easier to be more ambitious at that point.
42:06
Of course, yeah. So therefore that's why he says
42:09
this based on the exactly what you just said.
42:12
Therefore, salt is good. Yes, yeah.
42:15
But even if salt has become tasteless, because salt can
42:19
become tasteless, Yeah, with that it will be.
42:23
With what? Will it be seasoned?
42:25
It is useless either for the soil or for the manure pile, so
42:30
it is thrown out. The one who has ears to hear,
42:34
let him hear. So basically saying if you were
42:36
a believer that is salt and it's tasteless, you're pretty much
42:41
useless. Yes, absolutely.
42:43
I thought that was a little funny and.
42:46
Salt is. And you know.
42:47
Salt is good. And you know what, You know
42:49
what? This this last part makes so
42:51
much sense with what everything Christ said.
42:52
Because like, if you're a follower of Christ and you're
42:56
out here pursuing your dreams and goals, what difference does
42:59
it make for the one in the world also doing the same thing?
43:03
Are you not a follower of Christian?
43:04
You'd be different. You, you should, you should.
43:06
You almost don't taste. There's no difference.
43:08
There's no taste is the same. Exactly.
43:09
It's like the world you should. Be a different taste.
43:11
Yes, absolutely. So you should look, you should
43:14
look different. Are you kidding me?
43:16
When they see, when they see like that you are giving up
43:19
things for God. That doesn't make sense.
43:21
People are going to be like, what are you doing?
43:23
Why are you doing this? What's going on?
43:25
They're going to be interested and they're going to look at you
43:28
like there's something wrong with this guy, but it's going to
43:32
grab attention. It's going to be that salt that
43:35
that people will taste. But I feel, but I feel like
43:37
definitely you'll, you'll definitely run into that one
43:39
person who will be very intrigued and they may, they may
43:44
not be the ones that think it's weird, right?
43:46
I think they'd be more intrigued.
43:47
They're thinking it's weird. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
43:49
They might be like wow, like why are you giving everything up for
43:52
something you can't see? You're a salt.
43:54
Yes, that's the season. Yes, you become salt and then
43:56
they're just like interesting. Can you explain to you know,
43:59
then then you know, things start to happen and how how can you be
44:04
salt? How can you taste like salt if
44:05
you're pursuing your goals and dreams, if you're still building
44:08
that tower, if you still haven't surrendered your possessions,
44:11
all these things, how can you, how can you really, truly be
44:14
sold? Yeah, The world is going to look
44:16
at you like, oh, he's. Yeah, he he's a cultural
44:19
Christian. Or, you know, they don't even
44:21
know that word, but they just automatically see it with their
44:23
eyes. Oh, these guys, just like, you
44:24
know, he just checks off the list probably on Sundays when
44:28
there's that one guy, it goes all out for God.
44:30
And they're just like, this guy is weird.
44:32
What is this? Why is the guy doing all?
44:34
Yeah. Why is the guy doing all this?
44:35
Why is he so happy or such at peace all the time when he's
44:39
giving up all these things? What doesn't make any sense?
44:42
That's true. So that verse at the end and in
44:46
some translations, the 34, when it talks about the salt, it
44:51
actually says that that salt is useless.
44:53
It's just to be trampled underneath the feet.
44:55
Oh, no, no, no. That's in another gospel.
44:58
But it is. That's what it's.
44:59
Meant, oh, that's in a different gospel.
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Oh yeah, yeah. Imagine it's to be thrown.
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Thrown. That's it's use to be trampled.
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To be trampled under the feet. Useless.
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Christ calls it useless. Useless.
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Useless. Yeah, useless salt.
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So as believers that we give up possessions, obviously everybody
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will give them up accordingly on their walk with guys.
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Like it's not like that's one of our brothers who just like left
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everything and came to to New Jersey, right?
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Everybody, yeah, to turn capacity God works with.
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Yes, right. And that's a good point you're
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making because you don't want to do anything with false pretense.
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Even the tree in nature, you see that it has its moment of
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growing. Stop growing.
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You know, like what I mean by that is like it, it has its own
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like pace, it's own pace of growing.
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So keep that in mind. We are also trees in the eyes of
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God and. Because you said pace.
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This is why I wanted to read this, this, this verse right
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here. Hebrews actually 11.
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I mean, if you can find it, you can find.
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I'll just read it. I got.
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You basically, but without faith it is impossible to please him,
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for he who comes to God must believe that he is and that he
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is a rewarder of those who diligently keyword diligently,
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diligently seek him, right. You can't do things cold Turkey
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in certain things, yes, exactly. You, you walk with him, abide in
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him, right, right. You follow his commandments, all
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of that. They're abiding him, yes.
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Believing in Him, trusting in Him.
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You might not know all the answers.
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Yeah, that's OK. But as you're trusting in Him,
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you will recognize diligently to seeking Him.
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Absolutely. Right.
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And there's, there's another verse here too that I wanted to,
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if you don't mind me sharing with you guys.
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The end of all things is near like this is Peter 2 speaking
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to. But even in our time this can
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also be very true. Be as be of sound judgement.
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Discern well right, right and sober spirit for the purpose of
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prayer. So even in your prayer, your
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prayer has to be purposeful. Fear.
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Above all things, keep fervent in your love for one another,
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because love covers a multitude of sins.
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But could you OK say that again? Go for it.
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No that since you you just said make your prayer meaningful.
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Because if you are, if you ever sound judgement and sober
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spirit, you should be able to, yeah, pray diligently.
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I mean, James, James makes it pretty clear too.
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He says. You guys pray, but you guys pray
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for the wrong things. Oh, you see, you took it out of
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you took it out of my mouth because the I was I was just
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thinking. I feel like a lot of Christians
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pray for meaningless, meaningless things went out for
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a second. Yeah, I feel a lot of Christians
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pay pray for meaningless things, right, Right.
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Or things that shouldn't matter. Exactly, no, that's why I said I
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was like when people when they get let go of their jobs, they
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pray and and I'm just like, well, what are you praying for?
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You praying for another higher pay for a higher pay or another
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job? Like what are you praying for?
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Like I'm, you know, clearly right there in that verse, it
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says if you're going to pray, pray with purpose.
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Yeah. That's what it says.
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It's got to make sense. Sober spirit for the purpose.
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Yes. Of prayer.
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Why? For the purpose of prayer.
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Because if you're not in sound judgement or sober spirit,
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you're going to just speak nonsense in your prayer.
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Yeah. Yeah, It's for the purpose of
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prayer because you have a clear mind, you can discern.
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Yeah. Your spirit is sober.
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Right. And we can dive into that in
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other podcasts. What that actually means.
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Yeah. But in order to make a prayer,
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you, you have to have a clear mind.
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Absolutely. You can't let your thoughts run
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or your mind run amok. And that means it's like, like
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just spin. Yes, go too fast.
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Exactly. I realized like how meaningless
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some prayers can be. Like, for instance, I remember
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old an old Catholic friend of mine, he was, he said, well, at
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least when he used to go out and party, go to bars, clubs with
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his friends, he would say he needed to be in the right
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mindset spiritually to go out to a bar.
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And he said he would pray before going out to the bars or clubs.
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I'm like I've. Never heard of that so.
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You know, that's what I realized.
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Wow. So people actually pray for
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things that make no sense. That's wow.
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I don't even know how to. I don't even know how to react
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to that. Me me bro.
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You just blew my mind. I'm.
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Sure, people have prayed for crazier things.
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You're still blowing in my mind, but you could.
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But that's. Crazy.
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But you could definitely think definitely.
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Can't make this up. Nah man, can't make.
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It up though. I wish.
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I wish this was a joke. I wish, yeah.
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Oh man, so I'm sure. There are people who have prayed
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for more meaningless things. Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely. So I mean, as you know, no,
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Yeah, as you know, like the the the take away here is as a
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believer. Mm Hmm.
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All you need to know is that our lives are different.
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They're not the same like the secular word.
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As much as we want, if God decides to present something
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that he will use, like a vehicle if you will.
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Yes. For you to do his will in the
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Kingdom. That's it.
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The purpose of it is to, to, to, to, to make known to the souls
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so they can be guided. Yeah, right.
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So the Spirit of the Lord will guide them to Christ.
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We can't save them. Exactly.
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God that saves them. Exactly.
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Our job is to just be vessels, yes, Overseers, watchmen's,
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healers, whatever that may be, the deeper we go with God.
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And so don't build that tower. Yes, and surrender all your
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possessions. Seek God diligently, right?
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Right. I guess either you just knock
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that tower down or just don't just leave it.
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And be clear minded or sound of judgement sober and spirits so
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that so that your prayer. It can be.
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Me, me, me meaningful. Thank you, Diego, for for being
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here with us. So it's a great, great pleasure.
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Oh. No, thank you for definitely
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thank you for you guys having me.
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Yeah, of course. Again, you know, definitely it
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was a we're. Gonna have many others coming
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in. Yeah, man, absolutely.
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I. Would definitely love to have
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more guests. I mean, I would definitely love
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to not be the only guest. No, no, of course I.
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Would love to be around maybe some other guests that.
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Of course. So we're gonna close it with a
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prayer. All right, All right.
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Thank you, Father, for this opportunity for bringing us
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together to talk about the challenges that believers go
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through, even we go through at whatever level that we're in, in
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that walk with you and that you always have mercy upon us and
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that you always lead us away from temptation and, and, and
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help us forgive us. Forgive those so that you
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forgive us, right? And your name be glorified above
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all things. And that your name be blessed
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above all things. And that tonight we have a
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blessing night and that we go to sleep in peace.
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May the Holy Spirit be with us, protect us today and tomorrow
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will be another day because tomorrow has its own worries.
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Amen. Thank you guys.
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Until next time, follow us. Subscribe and till the next time
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