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Pit Stop: Unforgettable Moments at the Glen (Donald C. Davidson) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  We always have a blast chatting with our guests about all sorts of different
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  topics, but sometimes we go off the rails and dig deeper into their
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  automotive and motor sports pasts.
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  As a bonus, let's go behind the scenes with this pit stop mini
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  episode for some extra content that didn't quite fit in the main episode.
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  Sit back and enjoy and remember to like, subscribe and
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  In this pit stop Mini.
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  So we return to Donald c Davidson's Storytelling with
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  a nostalgic return to Watkins.
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  Glenn reminiscing about his first visit in 1972 and subsequent visits until 1977.
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  Donald shares detailed stories about early experiences at the US Grand
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  Prix interactions with legendary drivers like Jackie Stewart and Nikki
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  Lauda, and the unique culture of the racing community at that time.
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  His anecdotes highlight the camaraderie among drivers and fans.
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  And Donald vividly recalls the vibrant atmosphere at events such as those held
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  throughout the village and the track.
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  He also reflects on the unchanged charm of the area, despite the passage
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  of time and shares, humorous and poignant incidents from the heyday
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  of Formula One at Watkins Glen.
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  It's really a kit to be here.
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  It's kind of a pinch me situation to actually be returning to Rock Glen.
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  I've never been to the research library before because my years at the Glen
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  far seed, the research library, first time I came out here was in 1972, and
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  the most recent time that I've been here private this weekend was 1977.
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  And it came about because of the fact that one of my mentors, a gentleman who
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  I had read because he wrote some, a great historian by the name of Charles Life, and
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  I know he's very, very important to the.
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  And then I think probably the majority of you are either at least
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  familiar with him and maybe some of you had interaction with him.
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  He was an extraordinary gentleman from Sharon, Pennsylvania.
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  With all due respect to everybody, of all the people that I ever met,
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  I felt that he was the best of the historians of the very early days.
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  Although he was American, he was very English in his whole approach.
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  Uh, the way that he.
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  Spoke and the fact that he had a great affection to do it and solve operas and,
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  and, uh, married a British lady, very, very British in his whole approach.
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  A delight for gentleman and he was interested in Indianapolis
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  and went back there for years.
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  But he was real in, was sort of like the road racing types of the very early days
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  and he made a number of trips to Europe.
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  I dunno when the first one would be, but certainly late.
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  Mid 50.
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  He went to Europe several times and he would go and visit
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  drivers who had participated.
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  You know, I'm not talking just before World War I, I'm talking to city Racers
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  because he was an expert on Paris to Madrid and Paris and all, and he would
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  show me these photographs and or whoever.
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  He had all the, on all these people.
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  Participated in 1898 and then, uh, through the, the very early 19 hundreds.
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  So just extraordinary hand.
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  But anyway, I had written to him private meeting, my first trip to Indianapolis.
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  I wrote to probably a half a dozen people.
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  And, uh, one of the questions that I, because I would, I would
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  read the climb year book year with the section in the back.
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  Where there would be a little brief story by Charles Light, and then these
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  photographs that typically would've 2, 3, 4, 5 people lined up to this day.
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  I can spot a rifle of print across the room because know they had their own
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  particular stamp on 'em, and what he did was to take photographs of veterans.
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  It was wonderful to be able to see what these people looked like.
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  Long before there was a 500 timers flood at the track, but
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  that wasn't formed until 1961.
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  But the Speedway was always a gathering place for all of these people and
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  that they were welcome with open arms.
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  But if you drove 25 years ago once and finished glass, you
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  were welcome with open arms.
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  And so everybody would come back and some of them just come for a few days.
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  Others would spend the entire month, they'd bring scrap books, puddle
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  album, just a huge gathering, you know, camaraderie amongst people that have
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  run 15, 20, 30, 40, 50 years before.
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  And Charlotte recall this on film.
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  And so the fact that I, I knew of.
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  Reading the planner yearbooks over a period or seven years of coming to uh,
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  realize what a great historian he was.
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  There were several questions that I had about the early days,
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  specifically some of the early writers.
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  I didn't know a first name, he just an initial or nothing.
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  So very, very European and that for those you here, I'm probably a number
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  of tangent that I'll do if auto car.
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  Or whatever it was.
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  And you go back sixties, 50 forties, the drivers went by
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  because they first name here.
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  So anyway, I was curious as to if you might know who somebody
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  in World War One era were first.
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  So came back from the fifth Pennsylvania and he answered the, uh,
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  the questions on a number of them.
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  So I can't say exactly what year that was.
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  Was probably 1962.
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  I was sort of, you know, on my way to eventually making the trip.
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  So I remember when I first arrived at the track, and it's a whole
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  long story that he was one of the first people that I encountered.
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  And I remember that when I went up and gave my name, he turned
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  around and I, he was probably, I don't know, five foot seven.
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  And as a friend of mine would describe a ground.
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  And, uh, he always had three, four cameras on around his, a quick line on that, but
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  I wasn't even gonna tell it, just me.
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  But, uh, anyway, he was, he wore this white shirt, typically
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  never a tie turned around.
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  My name.
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  He sort of turned around and almost scooted attention and said, sir,
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  I am very pleased to meet you.
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  And uh, he apparently was, was taken because of the fact that
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  I was asking about these follows from, uh, from the early days.
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  Well, from that point on, he became very important in my life as he
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  wasn't because started introducing me to a lot of the old time that.
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  Sitting there and know about what they look like.
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  White photographs and I meeting three people in full color, those of
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  you that were familiar with Vital, he would take photographs of all
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  these people and then send them it.
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  Either give the person a print when next saw him, which probably next
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  May, or he would send gifts and.
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  All time's.
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  So he had cameras, usually three or four, you know, one
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  in front, one down this side.
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  And somebody wants to ask him, why do you carry so many cameras?
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  And he said, well, this is four slides.
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  This is 35 millimeter in black and white.
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  And I can't remember what, what the third one was.
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  But anyway, the fourth one said, now this camera here is for those internal people
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  that come up and say, would you take.
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  So and so that has no film.
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  To move along a little bit, my first trip to the track was 1964, and it was
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  a three week holiday exploratory visit.
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  Things worked out so well that I return the next year, five on a one
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  ticket curve and just flying blind,
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  which.
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  Nice Day Club.
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  A very gay man named Henry Banks hired me to work at usag, so
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  that's a whole nother story.
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  But Charles, I would come and spend the great heart of the month, so I
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  spend a lot of time with him, go and so on, and wonderful, wonderful stories.
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  He had the connection with Watkins Glen, that goes back to the very,
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  very beginning, and I'm not sure about this, but I think he might
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  have been one of the original eight.
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  10 members of America when the first bomb.
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  I mean he was right in on the grand level and also involved with Blackman
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  Glen from the very start over a period of years, of course, you history to up
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  on top of the eventually United States free, and he was a part of all of that.
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  And I think his title was, he would say to, I had.
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  Free racing.
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  That's basically what I was raised on, except that to me, going free
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  racing was two 50 s and Ferrari and, and, and then, you know, rear
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  engine and the whole thing up.
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  So anyway, I also like people to say, come to Rutland.
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  And I thought one and a half liter, rear inch, little, tiny little purge.
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  And they don't do Gary power slaves like they used to, you know, Peter
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  Collins and Mike anymore, and cast lobby and muo and course our governor.
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  It's just elite bricks driving around and these little pedal car things.
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  So,
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  but anyway, uh, so he would've said year after year come to do, come.
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  And so finally 19.
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  That I went up.
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  So I ended up, I was up here in 72, 3, 4, and five, and not in 76.
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  Uh, I had a major conflict where I, I wasn't even in the country,
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  and then 77 was the final.
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  But anyway, I came up the first year and bro racing had changed quite a bit
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  from what I had fallen in love with.
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  But my guys were right here and get to be in.
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  All in really the end of yet another era because although it seems dramatically,
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  there were still the private years.
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  And uh, for those of you, and I know many, I mean, I normally don't get into
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  this except that I know that so many of you have lived through this yourself.
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  So you come to Watkins Glen, the little village of Watkins Glen
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  for the Grand pri and uh, so we went to where we were gonna get.
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  And I was thinking that it was a high school.
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  St. Mary's, St. Mary's.
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  And, uh, so we, we, we drove by that, uh, by there last
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  time, the last couple of days.
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  And building looked familiar, but I was thinking that we had gone down on another
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  street A little bit further is, um, that we went into this like a gymnasium with a
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  four just like this with card tables set.
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  The body heads.
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  And I think that there was, the basketball nets were hanging and this is where
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  you went to get your credentials.
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  Everybody.
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  And here's Jackie Stewart.
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  You know James Hunt, uh, because early, or, uh, now I'm getting myself in trouble,
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  but remember that, uh, I had met Jackie Stewart at several years before, so I
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  talking a little bit and then I remember that he was right in front of me and then
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  he turned around and then French came in.
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  And then stuck a finger in, in the back of his ribs and just did one of these.
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  And I thought, isn't this amazing?
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  Here's this little gymnasium and the drivers of, of the world, Ronnie
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  Peterson, and, you know, uh, and uh, eggs and all these other people
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  are coming here together cred.
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  Then the other thing that was just amazing was when you went
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  out to big, it's the Kendall Tech Center is up on top of the hill.
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  And the general public are permitted to go down through the middle and out the other
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  side and all of the teams land up there.
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  There's no motive coaches, there's no $500,000 followers.
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  There's no sequestered away from the general public.
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  There were all these phases, and I don't dunno if this sound wrong, but
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  it was almost like it was the state fair and that all of the places where
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  the people would show their livestock.
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  It was everybody.
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  That was just astonishing to me, and I thought, I hope you people that are
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  doing this really appreciate it because I don't know that was gonna be like this.
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  I mean, even at the time I was astounded that, that it was still like that.
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  You know, sure enough, they, they had the line of people and uh, that they would
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  go through the tech center and Ferrari.
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  You know, the, the stewards and, and, uh,
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  and everybody, you know, because they were all there and you sometimes you
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  see the drivers changing bottles and, uh, they're doing the driver, the deep
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  debriefing and there's guys sitting there in jack shorts and all with the engineers.
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  And I don't know that if anybody had a computer there,
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  but I mean, there would be you.
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  The engineers have to clipboard and these discussions going.
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  Watch all of this.
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  And then the other thing too that we've been talking about a lot the last
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  few days was that how did the CARSs get from the tech center down to the
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  pits and from the pits back up to the tech center, the mechanics drove 'em.
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  And, and then we would hear this engine would fire up and then he would,
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  uh, would be the car either going up the hill at speed or down the hill.
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  And uh, more often than not, there would be one or two other people.
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  Riding on the car, on the side car would be the follow with the tool
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  chips hanging onto the mo car.
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  I have no idea what speeds they were doing, but I mean they
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  had to be 70, 80 plus an hour.
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  And I was very surprised because already I was thinking that liability,
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  that people could just sort of stand back at the side of the road and then
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  three or four were on pretty cars would come up with the mechanic, no helmet,
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  an massive hair flying around the.
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  Just a similar color I stayed at, which was this place
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  with all kinds of character.
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  I, I'm supposed to be talking about Indianapolis,
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  what I state in the, the motel that was out in the Charles.
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  I think that I stayed in room number one.
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  I know it was on the lower level and I drove by there this morning.
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  Actually, the motel unit still there.
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  Then, uh, the Jefferson was this wonderful place, and I dunno when that
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  was, but it was pretty 1900 I think.
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  Was it like maybe 1880s or 1840s?
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  1840s.
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  Okay.
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  Well, so when we were in there.
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  There were no carpets on the floors.
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  And, and I, I think that they served food in, in, uh, I think there were
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  two or three different rooms by fall and a hard floor, no carpets.
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  And they had these strange windows and it really looked like, I mean, we
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  expected the ghost from blind skirt come in the no power to come in.
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  You had those picture, you had Rob Walker and, uh, everybody with the.
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  Were such that every clink of a plate or, or, uh, you know, when, when
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  anybody would get up and they would spray their chair and, uh, everybody
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  was on top of each other, just stick around and, and see all these people.
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  I don't think any rider stayed there except I know one year.
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  A right above me was Tom Price.
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  Not much is known about Tom Price, except that because he was very, very quiet.
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  Well, not when he was walking around.
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  He wasn't never, ever in my life stayed in a room or was ever in
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  any situation with the floor above.
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  Was somebody literally around and I mean, this was, you know,
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  over three, four day period.
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  Stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp stand, and all the, everything.
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  But, uh, I went to a, a friend of mine, I, I don't remember the first
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  time I went to the blame motor court.
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  I know this.
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  It's not that anymore.
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  And that, that's, that's, that's the blame motor court for some of this.
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  So I don't remember the first time that was in there for sure,
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  but I know that in 1975 was.
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  Station Indianapolis.
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  He was originally from Cape Cod.
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  That doesn't matter.
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  Being in several different radio stations.
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  Young guy, probably mid twenties, I suppose, his radio life off him to
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  Indianapolis, so he's a 10 70 IBC.
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  I don't think he knew anything and somebody took him out the fact one day and
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  fire going on and he met Johnny brother.
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  And then the next thing, he became a huge racing enthusiast
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  and it became a formula wind off.
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  It all happened in a hurry.
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  For some reason he hooked onto Nick Louder, and Nikki
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  louder then was just his God.
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  And so he and a lady friend who was Kenner's wife, they
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  came up here in 80, in, in 75.
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  And I had come with Charles Light because, and uh, I guess this is
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  getting a little more personal than I planned, but Charles Life, the final
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  year that he came up here was 1975.
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  And he was not able to drive anymore.
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  And it ended up that I was able to repay, you know, years and years
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  of, of favors by driving from Indianapolis to she in Pennsylvania.
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  I picked him up.
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  And then, uh, wrote him up to wa Glen and stayed in the same room with 'em.
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  And, you know, basically was Steve Ur was equally great because we
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  were allowed to park the car down at the south end of the pit and store.
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  Their marsh would come by and Chris Aon would come by and all
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  these people looking in the window.
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  And, uh, all I had to do was just sit there with Charles that time.
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  We were invited to dinner and, uh, so this friend of mine and he said, uh, we're
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  gonna have dinner at the bland motor port.
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  And I thought, I said, good luck getting in there.
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  He said, no, I, I've checked if we get there early enough,
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  we can get a good seat.
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  So.
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  I don't remember what time we got there, but it was probably like five
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  o'clock or five 30 or something.
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  The place was, I don't know, maybe half full, but it was beginning to pick up.
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  I'm sure that probably many of you, if not all, have done the Glen
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  Motor Court experience and five.
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  Then it was amazing because then drivers stayed there.
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  I remember over in the corner, Carlos Waitman and Carlos were right
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  over in the corner, just the two of them in very deep conversations.
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  Different people would come in and out.
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  I remember Jody Scheer came in in a tennis outfit with a rack and
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  he came in evidently looking for somebody that wasn't in there.
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  And then he left and then comes in with a black leather jacket with the collar
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  turned up and which reminds me of another
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  1972.
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  It was almost very, very nice guy.
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  But he gave, had a little bit of a massive look about him and black jacket.
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  Collar turned up hands in his pockets.
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  And, um, he looked like he was looking for a fight while I, you know, he was
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  a really nice guy, but I remember that.
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  So, uh, there was a table vacant next to us, and here's my friend Matt.
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  And we're looking at all these people coming in and out and then all of sudden.
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  Oh, omega God.
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  Oh, omega God.
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  Oh my God.
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  The Champion game just came in and we looked up and here's Dick Louder, who
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  just arrived with another guy with him that was Heinz Ula, who was an
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  author, I, anybody knows, name wrote.
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  And I think he did it.
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  Maybe a couple.
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  Matt is just completely, oh, okay.
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  He's in.
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  He's insane.
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  I'm insane.
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  Whatever.
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  What?
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  It got better because this vacant table louder and Hanz Kohler sat
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  right next to us and Charles was so amused because to him, you know, the
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  great drivers were, uh, you know.
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  It yours below a Christian Uchin, Schlager.
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  You know anybody that's sort of come along in, in the, in the forties and fifties
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  and sixties, he didn't take it seriously.
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  You know, Nick Lau was sort of just like the latest of the month
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  was gonna be gone in those time.
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  And then, so he was needling.
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  And I bring this up because for anyone, any of you who may have gone in, are
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  there people, in fact, that went into the Glen Motor Court in the seventies?
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  I don't know if this is still there or not, but right under where you
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  were sitting, there was a painting.
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  If anybody remember this, it is Nick Lau in a Ferrari, and I think there might have
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  been one other car instead of a racetrack.
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  It was sort of like on the beach in faded light.
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  The tie come in in, does anybody remember that?
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  It was the Ferrari with the, I don't know what this guy was saying, but uh, but
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  it was actually with the, uh, it was an action shop, so it looked like a Michael
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  Turner, but it wasn't a Michael Turner.
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  And he, and he splashed him through this water.
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  So Louder was talking to Heinz cooler and, and at one point he sort of looks
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  up at the thing and then I was able to say, why are you driving in the sea?
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  And so I don't remember what the response was, but anyway, it just
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  made that stay and I don't know.
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  Why I brought this up other than the, I'm just a horrendous name dropper.
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  Talking about the first year that I came out here.
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  It was great because Charles took me to all these places.
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  I mean, had access to everything.
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  It was the Onyx Club at the time.
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  They had a champagne party there.
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  It was the last year.
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  They had done this for several years, but because of, uh, financial considerations
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  that ended up that this, it.
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  To the last one that they had.
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  They would in invite a lot of participants to go to this thing.
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  I mean, it was very in and the Onyx Club to me, it, it was, so,
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  it was like going to a ski lodge.
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  It was the first week in October, so it would get dark, but like five 30
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  and it would be pitch black by seven.
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  And so here's.
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  Everybody under this party.
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  And I remember, uh, Ron AK was there and Sam Cozy, and on and on and on.
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  Anyway, the Ferrari team were detained because they were having a debriefing.
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  And I'll never forget this.
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  I just happened to be standing by the door and all was opening, and
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  it was a little bit, Nicky, you know, it would get frosty up here.
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  And so Carney is now in full swing.
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  And here came the three Ferrari drivers, and I'll never forget this.
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  It was, uh, Jackie s Re, and Mario with a Ferrari team, and they
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  arrived from their debriefing.
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  They still had the uniform on.
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  And then the Fred Ferrari Firestone jackets and we thought collar
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  turned out and they stood there.
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  And you know, when Mario entered her room, not the tallest guy that has ever
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  been, but he had a presence about him.
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  I've been in several situations where Mario comes in and everything stops.
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  And there's written, there's no punchline to this except that he
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  would come into a room as he did that night and he would stand there.
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  And it reminded me of Jack Counts in.
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  Mario didn't attack their pistols, he would stand there and just kind of
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  go, was on, they would just come into the room and kind of stand, make this
• 25:35
  with the polish turned up.
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  Anyway, I'll, so just these little images, I am gonna move on, but
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  I'll give you a couple more images.
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  That one that was just given to me by the son of the famous name, will
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  Shaw had a son, bill Shaw, and.
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  Of you may have ever had a connection with him.
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  Uh, he's actually Warren Wilber.
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  He's just a delightful person and he did race for a while, all posted going to
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  Ramon in sometime in the early seventies.
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  He was an instructor for Bob Bond for several years, so some of
• 26:12
  you may have run into him there.
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  But, uh, anyway, he's lived in the Indianapolis area for number years now,
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  so I told him what he needed coming.
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  About a week ago and he said, wow, the Glen.
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  I said, did you ever run up there?
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  And he said, no.
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  But he said, I actually went there once And he said, I went with a
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  student of mine who was gonna run in an SECA regional, and he said he was
• 26:40
  working in Washington at the time.
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  He said, I went in there and even though though it was a regional meet,
• 26:47
  he said I got, I started getting images of what had gone before and he
• 26:54
  said I had these flashes of grab 'em, obscure and Clark, and he said, I've
• 27:00
  never been there before, but he said it was really kind of overwhelming.
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  He said, I could hear the sounds, the smell, the smells.
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  And, uh, he said, I said, I got goosebumps thinking about it.
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  He said, yeah.
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  He said, I got goosebumps then.
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  And I got goosebumps now just talking about it.
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  This is just like a week ago.
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  And I said, I know exactly what you mean.
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  And he kept saying, wow.
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  Wow.
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  So, and, and when, when this was, I have no idea, but I mean now,
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  might have been 30 years ago.
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  So, you know, the place has this wonderful presence.
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  I got a little blank story to tell here after some of the
• 27:34
  opinions expressed herein.
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  May not necessarily be those of the management.
• 27:42
  A blank story, and I don't know if this is true or not, and I do nothing to.
• 27:47
  Be a negative about the place.
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  But I do remember the smoke in 1974 rising from a, an infamous
• 27:56
  area that, uh, that probably the locals were driving not talk about.
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  I get asked about the state, but the racetrack all the time, and I know that
• 28:05
  the locals just assume, not acknowledge that there had ever been the bob.
• 28:09
  But anyway, the reason for bringing that up was that the first year that I was
• 28:14
  up here, it rained a lot and I. By how large the crowd was, but also the makeup.
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  I mean, you would hear the foreign accents, so obviously there were people
• 28:26
  that were comfortable overseas and then you had to fall overseas that lived here.
• 28:30
  But then also there seemed to be a lot of college types, and I saw fatigue
• 28:35
  jackets, I saw long hair, and I saw a number of couples where the male and the
• 28:43
  female was joined by a piece of twine or.
• 28:48
  Remember that not making it up.
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  And you'd see the guy would have a, a wine bottle and there would be like
• 28:54
  a piece of twine around his wrist.
• 28:56
  And that the lady friend who was also wearing, uh, Danni and uh, and Pete would
• 29:03
  be, you know, a few feet preferred a mine.
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  Anybody.
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  I'm not making that up.
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  Which I think was probably 73, 7 4.
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  I didn't read this on Wikipedia or get it on a blog years later.
• 29:24
  I remember at the time the story was that there was a well to do
• 29:29
  person, uh, involved with a team.
• 29:32
  They wanted a team member.
• 29:33
  They were like a go.
• 29:35
  They were huge and eager to do anything that needed to be done.
• 29:38
  So one of the teams needed something that the fellow said, I can get it.
• 29:43
  And he went down to the village and it's at night.
• 29:47
  So he went down to the village in this very expensive automobile and
• 29:51
  he comes back, he got lost and he's at the circuit, but he couldn't find
• 29:56
  his way to the Campbell tech center.
• 29:58
  And he's driving around and he's driving around and he gets over into
• 30:02
  the block area with all thousands of.
• 30:06
  And so he's going down this little road and, and everybody's sort of,
• 30:10
  kind of just sw walking back and forth, you know, the bonfires are gone and
• 30:15
  the, the parties are in full swing.
• 30:17
  He, his progress is being impeded for the, gets to the point where he stopped and
• 30:23
  so they start making a big fuss at this car and they're banging on the roof and
• 30:28
  then they start rocking the car at night.
• 30:30
  Panic some things.
• 30:32
  I better get out of here.
• 30:33
  So he gets on with thro and as he takes off, he feels a bump and he thinks,
• 30:39
  oh my God, I think I've maneuver one.
• 30:41
  So he keeps going and he thought, well, I have to report this
• 30:45
  to the, uh, to the police.
• 30:47
  So he drove around to wherever the police were.
• 30:50
  And it seems to me that there was this little cinder block building with,
• 30:54
  uh, you know, a piece of wire with a, you know, naked light bulb in there.
• 30:59
  So the guy comes back, sees this building, goes in there and there's
• 31:04
  like three policemen sitting in there.
• 31:07
  So he said, I wanna report something.
• 31:09
  Uh, he said, I think I ran over somebody.
• 31:12
  And, uh, so they don't move particularly and.
• 31:18
  It was over in the back where all of the, uh, you know, where all
• 31:22
  the hot camps are, and they said, did you get a look at the person?
• 31:25
  And they, he said, well, no, because they looked the same all Glen
• 31:31
  jacket.
• 31:32
  But I think that I. And so they said, ah, don't worry about it.
• 31:37
  We'll find it in the morning.
• 31:38
  Or, I dunno if that's true or not, but I I probably should have called that story.
• 31:44
  Alright,
• 31:47
  let's, uh, we need to be talking about the Indianapolis people Get into that yet, so.
• 31:53
  I mean, to come to the Glen, have those experiences in in 7 3, 7 3,
• 31:57
  7 4, and then drive around today and then see how will those change.
• 32:03
  But you know, the Glen Motor Court named Subtle Change, but it's still there.
• 32:07
  I actually pulled to the parking lot and just sat there and,
• 32:10
  and just reed a little bit.
• 32:12
  And I went by, you know, the Jefferson is gone, but the motel units are, are out
• 32:17
  in Maxville and they were green, brown.
• 32:20
  But I actually sat there.
• 32:23
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