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SMNTY Classics: The Last of Us Special, Episode 4 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny, and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I never told you a production of ihearted you, and
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: yes I am by myself today because pretty much the
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: whole Spinty team is traveling currently. I am dog sitting
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: peaches for Samantha. But we were about to meet up
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: in Seattle, which is very exciting, so I decided to
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: bring back, I know, the last classic we did around
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: the Last of Us. We weren't sure how far we're
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: going to continue in this mini series that we did
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: when season one of the show is coming out, but
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  Speaker 2: I decided to bring it back because I ended up
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: rewatching it here on Samantha Superior Television, and I just
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: it was so good. Of course, I was getting all
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  Speaker 2: emotional and all these memories were coming back of the
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: times when we were here at Samantha's place, the group
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: of us enjoying this together and talking about it and
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: eating food and drinking drinks, and it was just really nice.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of those things where I was watching
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  Speaker 2: it and I was just like, oh, yeah, this one
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  Speaker 2: was really good and this was really fun, and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Last of Us Day is coming up, also Samantha's birthday,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to go see some last of those sights,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm very, very excited. But in the meantime, please
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  Speaker 2: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to Stefan never told you a production of iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 2: and I am embarrassingly excited to continue doing this. Our
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: mini series are very special mini series about the Last
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: of Us, the TV show which currently not a sponsor
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  Speaker 2: in any way, which is a shame and really dropped
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  Speaker 2: the ball in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: But here we are anyway, so maybe they were smarter.
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  Speaker 2: There will be spoilers for the first four episodes of
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  Speaker 2: this show, but Samantha has been a really good guide
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  Speaker 2: for me about not spoiling the game. Although I maintain
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  Speaker 2: all of you who have listened to the show have
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  Speaker 2: not been spoiled.
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  Speaker 1: You are amazing, right.
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  Speaker 3: They might just bypass not realizing what it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, but I have realized.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a fun exercise for me because I've realized
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  Speaker 2: some of the things you talk about or I talk
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  Speaker 2: about specifically, but can be spoilers, even though they don't.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like they are.
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  Speaker 2: So I have to be really careful. I have to
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  Speaker 2: think about it a lot, but I'm looking out. I'm
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: looking out for you because I want all of you
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  Speaker 2: who are watching it haven't been spoiled to enjoy the ride.
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  Speaker 3: There you go, And yeah, there's a whole lot of flips,
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  Speaker 3: and as we know, when it comes to made for
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  Speaker 3: TV or translated to screen, it's a little different from
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  Speaker 3: the game. But they've done a great job in keeping
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  Speaker 3: at least the spirit by being the directors and writers
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  Speaker 3: and the creators of the show. So you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: not too many spoilers in the game. There's not too
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  Speaker 3: many things. So we will let you know of some
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  Speaker 3: of the changes because any knows them in depth. I
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  Speaker 3: do in depth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very indeed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if it's not clear like the Last of Us,
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  Speaker 2: if I had, you know, in inside Out, where she's
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: got like the here's her hockey world and here's that,
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  Speaker 2: the Last of Us would be one of mine.
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  Speaker 1: It's like one of my very favorite things, like.
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  Speaker 3: There's four parts to your world, it'd be Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: Last of Us fan fection and podcasting.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's essentially sums me up. If you've noticed these
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: come out on Saturday, we are changing up the schedule
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  Speaker 2: a little bit while this show runs, and it does
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  Speaker 2: run for nine episodes.
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  Speaker 1: It will.
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  Speaker 2: The finale is on the twelfth, so the final episode,
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  Speaker 2: which might be a part two, should be the nineteenth.
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  Speaker 2: And in the meantime, my Happy Hours, which come out
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  Speaker 2: twice a week, are replaced by these. I know it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of confusing, but essentially this is a special thing
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  Speaker 2: we're doing on Saturdays until like March mid March ish,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll return maybe to our regularly scheduled programming maybe,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who knows.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're all about flexibility. Yes, that's the key,
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  Speaker 3: and we love to switch it up for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. We got to keep you on your toes.
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  Speaker 2: I did want to throw a quick content warning in
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  Speaker 2: for this one about gun violence and death. Nothing to
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  Speaker 2: in depth, but we will be talking about that. And yes,
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: today we are talking about episode four, which was called
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: please Hold to My Hand, which was based on lyrics
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  Speaker 2: played from the song and there. We'll talk about that
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  Speaker 2: more in a minute, but they have been doing that
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  Speaker 2: for the past couple of episodes, naming.
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  Speaker 1: Them after your lyrics.
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  Speaker 2: I also want to say again we Samitha and I
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  Speaker 2: are watching this together and this was a fun one
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  Speaker 2: because we made a decaf coffee Jack because it was
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  Speaker 2: a coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Coffee was featured throughout the episode.
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  Speaker 3: Right, well, one of the things we find out in
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  Speaker 3: the game. As you would expect there, there's not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of coffee in zombie world yepost Apocalypse, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: and so Joel misses it very much and when he
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  Speaker 3: finds it, he's so happy about it and drinks the
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  Speaker 3: worst type of coffee. Yes, essentially, so to us, the
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  Speaker 3: worst type of coffee probably would be decaffed. It was tasty, though,
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  Speaker 3: it was.
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  Speaker 2: Tasty well, Ellie, yes, because we were watching at like
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  Speaker 2: nine pm, we were not gonna I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: drink caffeine at ninety that would keep me up, no,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. Yes. Also, this is coming out too late
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  Speaker 2: for anybody to really care about this. But the next episode,
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  Speaker 2: episode five, which I think is going to be one.
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  Speaker 1: Of the best, the best of.
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  Speaker 2: The series, was originally slated to play against the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: but oh no, what if I get introll for saying that?
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: Never mind, don't come at me. They moved this streaming
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  Speaker 2: release date to this Friday, the friday before the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: So what is that the tenth I don't know, you
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  Speaker 1: can figure.
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  Speaker 2: It out, but because I keep trying to glean details
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  Speaker 2: from the descriptions, so I'll look up like on TV guide,
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  Speaker 2: like tell me how long it is and what the
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  Speaker 2: title is.
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  Speaker 1: And HBO is real cagy about it.
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  Speaker 2: But they haven't released because it's only streaming on Friday. Ah, sneaky, sneaky, sneaky.
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  Speaker 3: They can't give away everything any I know, but I
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  Speaker 3: want to do all right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, shall we start as we always do with these,
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  Speaker 2: with your recapsman?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, here we go. Are you all ready? So we
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: have left dear Frank and Bill's house. They are on
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: their trip. They camp because he's like, you know, we
• 7:25
  Speaker 3: need to pull over. We're gonna do a little camping.
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  Speaker 3: We discover between all of this he's siphoning gas and
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't know the science to it. No worries, No
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  Speaker 3: one does. Ellie has found a pun book. What's the
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  Speaker 3: name of it?
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  Speaker 1: Annie, hold on, let me get it.
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  Speaker 3: She actually has a copy.
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  Speaker 2: I do, And I'm gonna read some puns at the end,
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  Speaker 2: so please stay tuned for that. I know that I'll
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  Speaker 2: see anyone away. It's called No Pun Intended, Volume two.
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  Speaker 1: T Oh. These puns Cracked me up? By Will Livingston.
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  Speaker 3: By Will Livingston. So here we see her start her pun,
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  Speaker 3: which we find Joel reticent in this process, but you
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: know whatever, she's like, oh, get ready for more. We
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: know that Ellie has stolen a gun and Joel has
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: no idea about that, so that will come into play.
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  Speaker 3: We get to their first campsite and they've eaten twenty
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  Speaker 3: year old chef Boyardi Ravioli, which you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a fan, gonna lie, I still love it. A sponsor,
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  Speaker 3: not a sponsor, but I will eat that crap, this crap,
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  Speaker 3: we know this, but I will eat it. But they
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: have a conversation. She shovels it down and Pedro Pascal
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  Speaker 3: does the thing that I hate and pretends to eat
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  Speaker 3: it but just keeps chopping away at it and never
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  Speaker 3: takes a bite. I really hate that, Like, at least
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  Speaker 3: pretend to take a bite. Anyway, they go to sleep,
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  Speaker 3: she tells a pun, which was.
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: She says, why did the scarecrow win an award? And
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  Speaker 2: then silence. Joel says because he was outstanding in his field.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: So Joel is participating when she's like, you dick my
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: favorite phrase, and she was like, are we really okay?
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: Because he said that they can do a fire, and
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: she asked, are the I don't think we're too far
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  Speaker 3: out to have any infected out here and he was like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not the infect that you need to worry about.
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  Speaker 3: She goes, oh people, and he's like yes. She as
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  Speaker 3: they're getting to sleep, she's like, are you sure we're safe,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, yes, we're safe. But then we turn
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  Speaker 3: around and see that he stays up all night even
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  Speaker 3: though that plan was so he was going to sleep,
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  Speaker 3: but to protect and keep watch. We wake up to
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  Speaker 3: him making coffee and she hates it and says it
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  Speaker 3: smells like and you know what, I can see that.
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  Speaker 3: I can see that, but I love coffee. And they
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  Speaker 3: move on and she's like, I can't believe you drank that.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe Starbucks served those people went to the
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  Speaker 3: to get this. And he takes a big slurp as
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  Speaker 3: he does to show it off. We find Hank William's
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: tape that's way back when and he puts it in
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  Speaker 3: and yes, there is uh that is in the game.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: Ye why, but I think it's a different song. Actually
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: I heard someone say that it's not the same song.
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  Speaker 3: They played a different song than what you see in
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  Speaker 3: the game, but it goes hand in hand with the episode.
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  Speaker 3: We come up on Kansas City and we see all
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: these pilots of cars and we're like, oh no, what's happening.
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  Speaker 3: There's a barricade, and so they have to take a detour.
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  Speaker 3: And during this the tour, rot row comes a man
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  Speaker 3: who is seemingly injured, and Joel is suspicious, and Elie's like,
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  Speaker 3: aren't we going to help him? And he's like no,
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  Speaker 3: and veers and almost runs him over, and yep, it
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  Speaker 3: was an ambush. Gunshots are happening, all the chaos. He
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: quickly swerves into a gas station. Yeah, yeah, abandoned building.
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: We'll go with that abandoned building. And they hide and
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: he tells her to go crawl through the hole. I'll
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  Speaker 3: cover you. And then he shoots somebody and one person dies,
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: and he shoots several other people and other people dies,
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  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, when he thought he
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: was okay, he gets jumped by a guy named Brian,
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: who was very angry because all of his friends has
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: just gotten killed by this man. And he gets the
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: jump on him and he's choking him, and oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 3: Ellie sees what's happening. She comes out in her kind
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: of hesitation, but then she does shoot not a great aim,
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: not a great name, because I'm like why, because it
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: passed through him. It would have killed Joel, but luckily
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: it just stuck in his butt and causing Brian to
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: be paralyzed. Things changed. Brian's begging for his life even says,
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: let me just take me to my mom, Take me
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: to my mom. That was probably one of the saddest lines.
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  Speaker 3: We're cool, We're cool, I'm not angry anymore. My name
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  Speaker 3: is Brian. What's her name? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. At
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  Speaker 3: this point, Joel's like, go back inside, and we see
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  Speaker 3: Joel grab a knife, which was his knife, Brian's knife,
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  Speaker 3: and then we hear a noise, so assuming that he
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: had been stabbed. This we see Ellie hiding back in
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  Speaker 3: the hole, crying but trying to get herself together. Joel
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  Speaker 3: comes in after she moves some items from the doorway
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: so he can get in. By the way, that happens
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  Speaker 3: a lot in the game, where she has to crawl
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: up things and into things to move things to let
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  Speaker 3: the adults in, essentially, and there we see them having
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: a conversation about life. Essentially, and the fact that Ellie
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: had to do that. He's trying to apologize, but he
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: can't really apologize, and he's trying to try to check
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  Speaker 3: in on her, and she kind of says, that's not
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: the first time I've done that, So r row, I
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: feel like that might be a premonition, yeah, that we're
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: we're gonna learn about. And then but she does ask
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: jol how did you know? How did you know this
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  Speaker 3: that this was a bad thing, that this would happen,
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  Speaker 3: And he was like, I've been on both sides. People
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: do whatever they can to survive. So she's like, oh,
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: so you've been the bad guy essentially, and he's like, again,
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: we did what we had to to survive. At this time, also,
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: going back, because I did forget, Joel does explain what
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: happens to Tommy about Tommy just joining things, including joining
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: the military and then joining the Fireflies, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: Tommy and he had a disagreement essentially, and that's why
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: he's searching for them. And then we find a new character, Kathleen,
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  Speaker 3: who was actually not in the game, so they brought
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  Speaker 3: a new character on and she is the leader of
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  Speaker 3: this militia because they have taken over this area which
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: was accusy by feder but they overtook them. They are angry,
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: they are taking people out. We see her interrogating a
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: doctor who had actually birthed her, and she's very angry
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  Speaker 3: because not only has people died, but her brother had
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: been killed and she's looking for a person named Henry,
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  Speaker 3: and yes, this is a big deal. Whereas Henry because
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  Speaker 3: she is sure that he had rated her brother out
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  Speaker 3: which caused his death, his murder essentially. Then they find
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  Speaker 3: out this ambush had happened. All their people had died,
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: so she rushes out, looks at the dead, including Brian,
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: which they call back on and she was like does
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  Speaker 3: a rally cry essentially with the group saying that Henry again,
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  Speaker 3: this mysterious Henry was at fault and he has brought
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  Speaker 3: in people he had called in for reinforcements. And this
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  Speaker 3: is obviously that she turns back around. At the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: she seemed hesitant to kill the doctor, but not any
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  Speaker 3: longer and just immediately executes him. Comes back says, we
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  Speaker 3: need to find Henry. And there's a dude named Perry
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  Speaker 3: who is actually the voice of Tommy Yes on the
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  Speaker 3: game and I love having people from the game in
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  Speaker 3: this movie. But yes, he plays a man named Perry
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  Speaker 3: who has been military and who is her second man
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  Speaker 3: in charge essentially in between. And so they all go
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  Speaker 3: searching because they're like, we need to find Henry. We
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: need to find Henry. Remember Henry is during this time, though,
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  Speaker 3: Perry's like, oh, we got an issue. Takes her to
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  Speaker 3: an empty room and all of a sudden we see
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: that the floor sinking in, crumbling, and it's like almost
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: like it's a volcano about to erupt. Role but she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to tell but Row just so you know.
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  Speaker 3: Later we come back and she has found a little
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  Speaker 3: what seems to be a hideout for two people, a
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  Speaker 3: boy and an older dude. We find that this is
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  Speaker 3: Henry and Sam. She is sure that they are part
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: of the problem. She's trying to find them, that she's
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: trying to see they're stealing food, all these things. So
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: they're on the hunt, yes, for Henry and Sam. We
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: come back to Ellie, and we come back to Joel,
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  Speaker 3: who has found a place to rest. They have a
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  Speaker 3: conversation about more puns. Yes, I believe there's a diarrheal one. Yep.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: At this point. I'm sure you'll share that in a minute.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: You want to share it, now, go ahead, go ahead.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Did you know diarrhea is hereditary? It runs in your genes.
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  Speaker 3: There it is, and he kind of smirks, and we
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: see them bonding. At this point. He teaches her how
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  Speaker 3: to hold a gun, shows all these things, so they're bonding.
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  Speaker 3: She had taken the gun back and actually put it
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: in her jacket. Continue probably need to remember that. Joel
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: lays out glass or at the doorway so he can
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: hear people they come in, you know, we just in
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: case they get surprised. We see them going to sleep,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, we see Ellie saying, Joel,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: wake up, and he turns to see that she's standing
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  Speaker 3: up with a man who's holding a gun to her head.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: And then he turns around and looks at a young
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  Speaker 3: boy with what looks like a paint on his eyes.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a superhero at this point, pointing a gun,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: correctly pointing a gun at him.
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  Speaker 2: Endzing once again, fantastic Freaku. There it is paints a
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  Speaker 2: picture does Okay? So I do have a lot of
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: things I want to talk about with this.
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  Speaker 3: I find it was a forty five minute episode.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but I okay, okay, okay, but it'll go quick.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I like it. Let's go okay, let's go
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the first things I saw after this
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: episode came out was a lot of discussion around and
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: not necessarily negative discussion at all, but like, what's the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: difference between an adaptation and a remake because this was
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: very like the whole first part where they're in the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: truck straight from the game, like exactly, like when she's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: looking through.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: That like gay magazine. Yep, those that's just got beat
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: by beat.
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  Speaker 3: Line for line, which I don't.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's so funny because I'm kind of like, I don't
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: have a problem with that at all, and I've I've
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: said a million times on the show, I think that
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: game is already pretty much a movie.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: With just a bunch of like wandering in between.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: But it is funny.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Supplies to supplies, read the notes, to hear people talk
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: about it. It was cool to see Tommy's voice actor
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: and if you like, if you're so inclined, if you
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: compare like Tommy his voice from the first episode to
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: this the voice actor's voice, you can hear it it's yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: it's the same.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: They are like. It was pretty impressive when we were
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: watching the first episode because it really did feel like
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, he wasn't the voice actor, but that
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: sounds just like him. And then we see Perry but here,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like the character of Perry the actor, he
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: softened it a little bit to be different. I feel
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like he did that on purpose.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the exact same, but it was cool
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: because we you know, well, I am like such a
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: huge herd and we always watch the like behind the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: scenes thing at the end.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: We love it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was cool to see the voice actors
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: say like, this is one of the surprise joys of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: my life playing this character, and I never knew I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: would be here. Like that's really cool. I like that
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a lot. I do think they are doing kind of
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a here's your huge emotional episode, here's your builder to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the next huge emotional episode, and here's your builder to
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the next one. I think the next episode is going
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to be like really long and sad.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I think so.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: But this was definitely like a bonding. This was showing
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the traveling scenes and bonding between Ellie and Joel.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: In my opinion. I did. It did crack me up.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: How many people, and I love you all, thank you
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: who contacted me. And we're just sending me headlines about
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the pun book like this is the heart of the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: last of us. This Dan jokes are saving the last
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: of us and it's great. And I was like yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and even somebody said, I can see why you love this.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: You are correct.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I love it and it is very sweet because it's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I had the look on Joel's face when she starts
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: reading him the Puns of Pure.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Panic is like joy to me, Oh God, what is
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: she doing. She's writing puns?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And I love like when he finally laughs at the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: end at the at the the punge he tells, which
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: she tells him so funny, where she's trying to pretend
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: like she's got a serious question and the pun and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: he laughs at the end and he says, I'm losing it,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and she says, you're losing it, big tig, which I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: think is a callback to the first episode, because that's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: when Sarah had called out, your shirt is on inside
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: out and Tommy joked like, oh, he's losing it, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: she said, oh yeah, big time. This is also I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: think when we're seeing the trope emerge fully of sad
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: murdered Dad, which I have talked about. Yeah, but that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: is what Joel. That is the trope and fan fiction
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that Joel would be called. Where you see like I've
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: also heard emotionally constipated man, which I like.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: That's on point.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where you see him.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: He's definitely got the protective instincts and it extends beyond
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Ellie and tests but also to Tommy, Like this whole
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: mission is like I have to be there to protect him.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: He can't protect himself. I have to do it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That scene where he's like waiting at night, can't sleep
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and guarding Ellie, like he has that with him, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: then like the whole idea of when he's trying to covert.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Eli and he says, you know, I'm not good at this.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And then we kind of get the first hints I
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: think they're gonna give us some more background, but the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: first hints of Joel's past of kind of this we
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: did what we have to do to survive and what
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: does that mean? And I also will say I've said
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it before on this podcast several times, but I've said
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: The Vandalorian is essentially the same story, and a lot
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of people sent me messages about foot Well, but it's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: a very popular It's a popular trope of kind of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the like closed off protective violence and man who sort
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of gets his shell broken by some usually like innocent
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: human or.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Creature in Broker's case, baby Otis case.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: There's definitely some dad vibes, like when he panics at
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the Puns, but also when he panics at the gay
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: magazine when she's asking him.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Why the pages are stuck together, and he's like, oh God,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: what do I do? What do I do? That's pretty good,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: It was pretty funny.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He also has some pretty dramatic lines, like saving the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: world as a pipe dream. That's when he's talking about
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Tommy and like why he thinks what Tommy is doing
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous? And then you have Ellie's response of sort
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of why bother going on without hope? And Joel says,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you keep going for a family and Ellie says I'm
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: not family and he says, no, you're a cargo. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: want to keep that in mind, but he says he's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: like doing it for tests. He's trying to get Ellie
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: where she needs to go because of tests, because test
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: was family and that was her like final wish was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that you'll you'll see if you can get Ellie to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the firefly so they can get this potential vaccine for
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: all of this terrible stuff. And then you do have
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the teaching of gun stuff. But if you've been listening
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to these, if you've been watching the show, you know
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Ellie has been pushing for this for a long time
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and he finally gives in. And this was a big
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: point in the game as well, where she has this
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: moment where she saves his life and he's just angry
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: at her because he doesn't it's a multifaceted but because
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: he doesn't.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Want her to as a child, to try exactly.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And they even have that conversation in the show where
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: she's like, well, does it get easier when you're an
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: adult and he's like, nope, not really.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But he eventually is like, you know, you were right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It was either him or me, and he teaches her
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: how how does she who? I did think this was
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: interesting because one of the first and kind of our
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: jumbled first episode I talked about this, but I read
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: an article about the difference between adapting like between a
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: video game and a show like this when it comes
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to camera angles, because in the video game you can
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: control your camera angles, but in the show obviously you can't.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And I found it really interesting and I personally am
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: glad they did it this way that a lot of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the time the camera angles, Like when Joel kills Brian,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the camera is on Ellie and you're not watching the violence,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And when Kathleen kills the doctor, the camera is on
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Kathleen and you're not seeing that. I just think that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: really interesting about choosing choosing the shot and choosing the POV.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You know, there are arguments we made about I just
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: feel like showing violence is you have to be careful
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: about it, and I do that's like in the final episode.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I've got like more thoughts on this, but I'm saving
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: them for the final episode.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: But I do think that's interesting.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And also in the kind of the behind the scenes
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: thing after this episode, they talked about how like this
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: group in the game is sort of an obstacle, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: they were trying to make them more than an obstacle.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And I think that's interesting because I do think that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the conversation around violence and video games is much more
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: than we can unpact here.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But if you're that's one of the.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Issues people have, is like if you're treating people as
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: obstacles you just have to get through, then what does
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that look like? But the Last of Us pretty good,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: not always, but pretty good about like oh, they do
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: give people in the game like the names, so like
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you'll you'll shoot.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Someone and they'll be like, oh, Brian, now.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Like it's awful, y'all, real bad it is? It is,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: So that's interesting. And then something else that Savannah saalb
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: freak out over that they said in the behind the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: scenes is that you know, Ellie took this shot to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: save Joel.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Ellie is just like Joel, which is.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: A point I have made a million times. It's true
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and I will continue to make.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: But we'll say that put a pin in that one
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: for later.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Also, one of the interesting points of this, I think
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: episode was this really hammering home of the people are
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a bad idea, like there's infected, but the people are
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the ones you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Should be really afraid of.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And they talked about that in the afterthing too, of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: like you know, the history of people being as bad
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: as the ones they replaced when it comes to like
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: for this example, they were talking about Frederick Hughsey gets overthrown,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: but then who comes over and takes over?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Is this militia? Are they better or not? And and sort.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Of that like the ugliness of violence, the cycle of violence. Again,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: these are all things that I've like ranted Samantha zero
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: off about these games.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I love it, yeah, but that kind of idea of.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You know, in theory, Henry has hurt in some way
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: led to the death of Kathleen's brother, and now Kathleen
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: is killing all these other people in his name, and like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: who do they get vengeance on? That's a big line.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I always bring up and kill Bill in the beginning
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: when she's like, one day you can grow up and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: get revenge against me, like right that cycle. Neil Jruckman,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the creator, did say that one of his favorite things
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: is humanizing villains, which did.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Crack me up. Which is true, It is absolutely true.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But I am interested to see where Kathleen goes because
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: she's not in the game, or if she is, she's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: an NPC, like she's barely in there, so I am
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: interested to see what happens with her. I did want
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to end on a couple of things that we'll touch
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on the past episode as well. One of them is
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: this idea I didn't bring up, but I do think
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: is really important in this game, and I think in
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the next episode it will become more clear why. But
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: like the idea of loneliness versus love, like are you
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: too afraid of being lonely so you find somebody and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it's not really love? Or are you truly love somebody
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: or in love with somebody? And then a line can
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: get really murky there. But certainly the idea of loneliness
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: is really important in these games and in this show,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. And then I did have the wondrous delight
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of watching the first three episodes because the fourth one
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: hadn't come out with some of my friends who hadn't
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: seen it and very much enjoyed, very much enjoyed, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I was talking to them about because they were like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the episode with the previous episode with Bill and Frank
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: is so tender and beautiful. And I had mentioned in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: one of the previous episodes that was the one where
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's where I'm going to start to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: see this kind of angry gamer emerge, which they had
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: already been there, Like we said, they kind of they
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: targeted Nico Parker, they targeted Bill A.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Ramsey. But this they.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Did come out to review bomb that episode on IMDb specifically.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But I was hardened to see a bunch of people,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I believe, like a Reddit group or something came out
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: kind of reversed. We're posting all these positive reviews to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: sort of combat at and I am loving the videos
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: people are sending me of people really embracing that relationship,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Like I showed you one where they're like playing it
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: at a like Taylor Swift dances like a montage of
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Billy Oh yeah yeah. And then somebody, a friend who
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I had shown it to just this past weekend sent me.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I think it was a TikTok of somebody slowly being
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: like going from like don't let him into your house. No,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: if that's ridiculous too, like don't let him go.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's true love. I have loved it, so thanks to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: everybody who sent me those. I do enjoy it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, so up next, I think, oh gosh,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Henry and Sam obviously are gonna be
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the big thing. Also, the much alluded to Bloater, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a sad one. But I think
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be really really good. But we'll see.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be emotional.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be emotional, and you will hear our take
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: on it a week from now. But I do want
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: to leave with a pun. I'm just gonna flip. I'm
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: just gonna flip tor random page.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: And if y'all didn't know this is specifically to the game,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: this actually doesn't exist.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm this bunch of a nerd that I
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: bought it for my Oh I love puns. So basically
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: in the game, you can ask Ellie to keep telling
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: you puns until she runs out, but it's an optional thing,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: like you have to go up to her press triangle
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and she'll tell you a pun. And I of course
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: did every single pun because I love puns and I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was just curious. All right, A book just fell on
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: my head. I only have my shelf to blame.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Only have my shelf to blame.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, but people are this book is in high demand now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Everybody's asked me to read it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: So you know, there you go. Maybe we can get
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: a pun an episode.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, listeners, would you be into that? Know
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: that's too bad.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: As Ellie says, you can never escape Will Livingston.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: That's true story, true story. All right.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope that you're enjoying these whether you watch
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the show or care about it at all or not.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And there will be more puns, more recaps, more discussion
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: in the meantime. If you have any thoughts, if you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: have any puns, oh my goodness, you can contact us
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: our emails Steffanie mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok at Stuff I've Never Told You.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: You're the best, Christina, Yes.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and thanks to you for listening Stuff I've Never
• 32:41
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• 32:43
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• 32:44
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