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- Lucas: So there's a headline from yesterday that I think captures something odd about this moment in private markets. Cyera — the cloud data security startup — is reportedly targeting a twelve billion dollar valuation in its next funding round. Luna: Twelve billion. That's a big number. What's their revenue look like? Lucas: That's the thing. According to the reporting, they're at about one hundred and fifty million in annual recurring revenue. So the implied multiple is roughly eighty times ARR. Luna: Eighty times. On a company that's still operating at a loss, if I remember correctly. Lucas: You remember correctly. They're not profitable. And yet private market investors are reportedly lining up at that price. Now, Cyera is in a hot category — cloud data security, AI workloads, compliance — so there's a narrative premium. But eighty times is still eye-popping. Luna: Yeah, it makes you wonder: who's buying at that level, and what do they expect the exit to look like? Lucas: Exactly. That's the question for this episode. We're going to use Cyera as a case study to understand how valuation math works in today's private markets, especially for companies that are growing fast but burning cash. And then we'll talk about what it means for founders who are thinking about selling secondary shares before a potential IPO. Luna: Because if you're a founder at Cyera, or at a company like it, you're sitting on paper worth a lot — but it's not liquid yet. Lucas: Right. And the multiples are so high that the public markets might not support them. So there's this tension: do you try to go public and hope the market agrees with the private valuation, or do you cash out some shares in a secondary sale while the private price is still frothy? Luna: Let's start with the multiple itself. Eighty times ARR — how does that compare to what we've seen historically? Lucas: For a company growing at, say, fifty to seventy percent year-over-year, the rule of thumb in a hot market used to be ten to thirty times ARR. Eighty is outlier territory. You see it in AI infrastructure, in certain security categories — but it's not the norm. For context, Snowflake went public at around fifty times revenue. CrowdStrike was in the twenties. Luna: So eighty is above even those peak-pandemic levels. What justifies it for Cyera specifically? Lucas: Two things. One: the category. Cloud data security is benefiting from a regulatory wave — think GDPR, CCPA, and now the new federal data privacy bill that's moving through Congress. Companies have to secure their data, and Cyera has a product that maps and classifies data across cloud environments. Two: they have high gross margins — software margins, north of seventy percent — and a land and expand model. So investors are betting that the current one hundred and fifty million in ARR grows to a billion-plus within a few years. Luna: But they're losing money. So the question is: will the growth outrun the burn? Lucas: That's the bet. And it's a bet that has paid off for some companies — think Datadog, which was unprofitable at IPO and is now solidly in the black. But it's also burned investors in cases like UiPath, which went public at a high multiple and then traded down. Luna: So if you're a founder at Cyera, you're looking at this twelve billion dollar valuation and thinking: is this my exit window? Or should I hold out for an IPO? Lucas: Right. And this is where the concept of secondary sales comes in. In the past, founders often had to wait for an IPO or acquisition to get liquidity. But now, tender offers and secondary markets let them sell a portion of their shares ahead of time. For Cyera's founders, if they can sell, say, ten percent of their stake at this twelve-billion valuation, they can de-risk personally without signaling weakness to the market. Luna: And the market doesn't penalize them for it, because it's seen as prudent — especially when the company is still burning cash. Lucas: Exactly. There's actually a growing norm where founders sell ten to twenty percent of their stake in the round before an IPO. It's become a signal of confidence — not desperation. The founder is saying, 'I'm still heavily invested, but I'm also being responsible about my personal finances.' Luna: Let me push back on that a little. If the company is growing at eighty times ARR, why not hold out for an even higher valuation at IPO? Isn't selling early leaving money on the table? Lucas: It can be. But the risk is that the public market doesn't accept that multiple. We've seen that play out with a lot of the 2021 IPOs — companies like Rivian came public at high valuations and then traded down. So if you're a founder, you have to ask: is the private market peak higher than what the public market will pay? And if the answer is yes, you take some chips off the table. Luna: And that's exactly what we're seeing more of. Founders are getting smarter about timing. They're not waiting for the IPO as the single liquidity event. Lucas: Let's look at what's happening in the broader market to put Cyera in context. Just this week, we saw Palantir up nearly fifteen percent in five days, and Shopify up almost ten percent. So there's appetite for growth tech. But then you have Meta down six percent, Amazon down five and a half. The market is discriminating. Luna: It's rewarding companies with clear AI narratives and strong fundamentals, but punishing ones that are seen as lagging or overvalued. Lucas: Right. And that's the environment Cyera would enter if it goes public. So the founders have to gauge whether the public will see them as the next Datadog or the next UiPath. Luna: And in the meantime, they can use secondaries to get liquidity. It's a hedge. Lucas: Exactly. And this is where the conversation ties back to the exit landscape more broadly. We've talked before about direct listings, about tender offers, about revenue-based financing. Each of these tools gives founders more optionality. Cyera is just a current, vivid example of the math at work. Luna: It also raises a question for investors: if you're buying at eighty times ARR, what's your expected return? You're basically betting on the company growing into that multiple over five to seven years. Lucas: Yeah, and that means the company needs to reach at least a billion in revenue to justify a similar multiple in the public market. It's a high-conviction bet. But the investors in this round are likely large crossover funds — the same ones that buy in IPOs — so they have a long time horizon. Luna: And they also get access to secondary shares, which can be a way to get a slightly better price or to get allocation in a hot round. Lucas: That's a good point. The secondary market isn't just for founders. It's also for late-stage investors who want to increase their position or get into a company they missed earlier. Luna: So where does this leave the typical founder listening to this? Let's say you're running a B2B SaaS company growing at forty percent year-over-year, twenty million in ARR, not yet profitable. Does Cyera's story give you any actionable takeaway? Lucas: I think it does. The key lesson is: understand the multiple that your category commands. Cloud security is hot right now, so Cyera gets a premium. If you're in a less hot category — say, HR software — your multiple might be ten to fifteen times ARR. That's fine. But you need to know that number, because it determines whether a secondary sale makes sense. Luna: And you need to know your own burn rate. If you're growing fast but burning a lot, selling some secondary shares can extend your runway personally. Lucas: Exactly. And that's actually a theme we've touched on in past episodes — how founders are using secondaries to de-risk. Cyera is just an extreme example because of the multiple. Luna: It's also a reminder that the market for private company stock is more liquid than it's ever been. You don't have to wait for an IPO anymore. Lucas: Right. And that's a structural shift that benefits founders and employees alike. If this show is useful for what you're building or running, by the way, listener support is what keeps it ad-free and independent. If you find value in these conversations, you can toss a few bucks in the hat at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It really does help. Luna: Yeah, and it's a small way to say these episodes matter. We appreciate it. Lucas: So back to Cyera. The question that lingers for me is: will they actually go public this year or next? Or will they continue to raise private capital at escalating multiples, kicking the IPO can down the road? Luna: My guess is they'll try to go public within twelve to eighteen months, because the private market window might not stay this wide open. Especially with interest rates where they are. Lucas: Yeah, the Fed hasn't cut rates yet in 2026, and if anything, there's chatter about holding steady. That puts pressure on high-multiple stocks. So if Cyera wants to IPO, they probably want to do it while the narrative is hot and while their growth rate is still accelerating. Luna: And if they do, we'll be watching that debut closely. Because an eighty times arr company entering the public markets will be a real test of appetite. Lucas: It will. And either way, it's a fascinating case study in how valuation and timing intersect. For founders, the takeaway is: know your multiple, know your burn, and use the tools available to manage your personal risk. Luna: Well said. That's all for this episode of The Startup Exit Podcast. We'll be back with another angle soon.