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- 0:06SPEAKER_02: And we're clear.
- 0:07SPEAKER_02: Good morning, good afternoon, and evening, Chicago Cubs fans, and welcome back to a traditional classic Force Fastball Monday Morning Cubs show, Monday, August 24th.
- 0:18SPEAKER_02: It is your host, Carl.
- 0:20SPEAKER_02: I am joined by Mahoney, and everything's gonna be just fine.
- 0:23SPEAKER_02: Good to see you, Phil.
- 0:24SPEAKER_00: Everything is gonna be just fine, Carl.
- 0:26SPEAKER_00: It's good to see you.
- 0:27SPEAKER_00: The weather is crisp.
- 0:29SPEAKER_00: It's like this is when I get to use that word crisp out there.
- 0:32SPEAKER_00: It's good to be you with you this morning with the Monday morning maniacs.
- 0:36SPEAKER_00: Um, and here we go, baby.
- 0:37SPEAKER_00: A massacre coming off of two walk-off losses.
- 0:40SPEAKER_00: But I'm feeling good.
- 0:41SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be a good start to the week for for you, I, and everyone.
- 0:45SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what we need to do.
- 0:47SPEAKER_02: We need to keep it nice, tight, polished.
- 0:49SPEAKER_02: Now, the two walk-off losses, you know, it is what it is.
- 0:52SPEAKER_02: It's major league baseball.
- 0:53SPEAKER_02: We've walked so many people off.
- 0:55SPEAKER_02: It sucks when Webb blows, uh, you know, and he's been awesome.
- 1:01SPEAKER_02: So, like, you got to be careful with that one.
- 1:03SPEAKER_02: The thing that's important to me is coming out of that 19-2 or 19-2-2 on Sunday, just a complete beatdown.
- 1:11SPEAKER_02: Everybody gets a piece of the party.
- 1:13SPEAKER_02: So that's the team I choose to believe in.
- 1:15SPEAKER_02: That's the team that's going to Arizona.
- 1:18SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's exactly the team that got on the bus to to to head to Scottsdale.
- 1:22SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
- 1:24SPEAKER_02: So, interesting enough, just out as we get into some big stuff from the week, right?
- 1:29SPEAKER_02: Like we'll talk a little bit about the bullpen.
- 1:31SPEAKER_02: I want to resize, reframe stuff on Swanee and Ramirez.
- 1:35SPEAKER_02: Uh, Mahoney obviously has a just a whole smorgasbord of segments prepared.
- 1:40SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we got we're gonna have to talk about the fuzz.
- 1:43SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have to talk about a number of things, and the only reason we can, and I dare you to fast forward at your at your own peril, my friend, especially those of you driving, buckle up.
- 1:51SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but this is this is officially the time to remind you guys.
- 1:54SPEAKER_02: The show is brought to us by a Mexican style soda with a signature spicy finish.
- 1:58SPEAKER_02: That's all bite, it's no rattle, it's thirsty fucking vaquero, my friends.
- 2:02SPEAKER_00: It's thirsty V, it's thirsty vaquero.
- 2:05SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can load up on a vigilante variety pack and have a little bit of a taste of each of their phenomenal flavors.
- 2:13SPEAKER_00: They come in three separate, distinct flavors.
- 2:17SPEAKER_00: I'd say Sandia, Silvahe, Mango, Muerte, Lamon, the drone.
- 2:20SPEAKER_00: Uh, all these bold flavors are going to ship to your door, and they're gonna ship to your taste buds, my friends.
- 2:25SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so let's just let's get that rolling.
- 2:28SPEAKER_00: There's a reason why the Cubs have been performing this year.
- 2:31SPEAKER_00: There's a reason why the Monday morning cub show is performing, and ladies and gentlemen, it's because of Thirsty Vaquero.
- 2:37SPEAKER_02: No doubt about it, my friend.
- 2:39SPEAKER_02: It is ship right to those taste buds.
- 2:42SPEAKER_02: Well said, Mahoney.
- 2:43SPEAKER_02: Uh, we obviously we have vigilantes of the week.
- 2:46SPEAKER_02: We're gonna give out the vigilantes of the week.
- 2:48SPEAKER_02: We obviously have 12 ounce on Amazon, obviously the classic tall boy, obviously, the three bolt flavors.
- 2:54SPEAKER_02: Here's a new wrinkle of what we do have, and this came out on Twitter, and I meant to talk to you about Mahoney.
- 2:59SPEAKER_02: I'm not even brainstorming the listen party.
- 3:02SPEAKER_02: You heard about the watch party, it's a listen party.
- 3:05SPEAKER_02: It's Ron Coomer, it's Pat Hughes, 670, 104.3 lossless.
- 3:10SPEAKER_02: If we get the big antenna out, we're in a forest preserve, we're eating hot dogs.
- 3:15SPEAKER_02: I think we're gonna do that party.
- 3:16SPEAKER_02: I tweeted about this.
- 3:17SPEAKER_02: I want to get together.
- 3:18SPEAKER_02: I want people, I'm gonna bring a cooler at Thirsty Bacero.
- 3:21SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be grilling dogs on one of those forest preserve built-ins with the charcoal.
- 3:25SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be slinging it's the first ever 999 on 99 challenge ever.
- 3:30SPEAKER_02: And everybody who does a 999 gets a t-shirt from Thirsty Bacero dogs.
- 3:35SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say TV, if you want to if you got a splash, splash.
- 3:38SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have I got so much inventory ready to move here.
- 3:42SPEAKER_02: We got t-shirts, we're gonna have a nice party in the park, but it's shit like that, Mahoney, that exists because of Thirsty Baccaro.
- 3:49SPEAKER_02: What was your reaction to that, by the way?
- 3:51SPEAKER_00: Well, my initial reaction was yes, I can't wait to participate.
- 3:56SPEAKER_00: Immediately had a vision of you in a Cubs chef hat with you know the the apron on, flipping dogs, coomb dogs, hot dogs, am radio blaring, and the forest preserve aspect is gold.
- 4:11SPEAKER_00: You're gonna have some bags going off to the side, so maybe get a couple of those old horseshoe pits dug back up, they might still be there, you know, get to get that game back in the the the ringer.
- 4:22SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I couldn't be more excited about this, and I really can't wait to share more details.
- 4:28SPEAKER_00: And like you said, if three people show up, I will be just as happy.
- 4:32SPEAKER_00: I love to have as many maniacs as possible.
- 4:35SPEAKER_00: There's a couple of you guys, me and you and Carl, I guarantee you we're still gonna have an unbelievable day.
- 4:40SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is gonna happen.
- 4:42SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be, and I should say, now I'm weary and I want to let the audience in on something here.
- 4:47SPEAKER_02: I liked that I that I got a nice response on Twitter.
- 4:50SPEAKER_02: All right, but let me be clear the the audience on Twitter, and those that I interact with, nothing to take away from anybody here that I do interact with on Twitter, is significantly different than the Monday morning cup show and the Maniacs.
- 5:03SPEAKER_02: Like the min, this is the closest you get to it.
- 5:06SPEAKER_02: This is the sauce, this is the thing I love the most.
- 5:10SPEAKER_02: So as I'm planning this party, I'm thinking to myself, maybe just putting it out on Twitter initially to get the interest is enough.
- 5:19SPEAKER_02: Maybe I don't need maybe I can just market maybe I just only want to, you know, everybody's omnichannel marketing.
- 5:25SPEAKER_02: You got to get it on fucking YouTube.
- 5:27SPEAKER_02: Let me blast it out of Instagram.
- 5:28SPEAKER_02: I haven't hit the TikTok audience yet.
- 5:30SPEAKER_02: You know, some of that stuff, it's just like Jimmy Christmas.
- 5:33SPEAKER_02: In some respect, it's like, I just want the people who are the maniacs that want to listen to the ball game.
- 5:38SPEAKER_02: I don't need to have everybody on fucking Twitter there.
- 5:41SPEAKER_02: Now, there's a couple people that I do like that I know aren't listening to the show every day because they can't get a taste of it.
- 5:48SPEAKER_02: But does that make sense when I go, maybe I just want to market it through us and just have it for the maniacs?
- 5:53SPEAKER_00: It does make sense, Carl.
- 5:54SPEAKER_00: And if you think about the old school sports radio meetups that they would do regularly, that was just all pumped through the airwaves.
- 6:02SPEAKER_00: Right, they weren't putting that out, they weren't sending flyers out to anybody.
- 6:06SPEAKER_00: It was just straight up you hear it on the score, you hear it on the SPM 1000, and you're going over to John Barley corn in Wrigleyville to catch before Cubs game or whatever it may be, you know, out in the the western suburbs at you know, we're at Ma's Papa Shop right here for that anything.
- 6:23SPEAKER_00: That's I want the true blue maniacs to come through, and the way we do that is just by talking about it on the show.
- 6:30SPEAKER_00: So that's how it's gonna go.
- 6:32SPEAKER_02: That's where I come back and go if I if I get six maniacs is way more, means is gonna be a way better time than you know, seven maniacs and 40 guys from Twitter.
- 6:46SPEAKER_02: And no expense of the guys on Twitter, it's just like it it's not it's not about it's not about that.
- 6:51SPEAKER_00: It's about you get stragglers, not the not true blues, as we call them.
- 6:56SPEAKER_00: You don't necessarily want to be, you know, make everybody everyone's show.
- 7:00SPEAKER_02: Everyone's welcome, everyone's welcome, everyone's welcome.
- 7:03SPEAKER_02: That's the point.
- 7:04SPEAKER_02: So I think I have to mainly market it on the show, mainly communicate, you know.
- 7:09SPEAKER_02: At the very least, I hope a couple maniacs show up at the very least, is like you know, lieutenants.
- 7:14SPEAKER_02: You know, look, I can't be handling, I can't be in charge of the bags, I can't be in charge of girl.
- 7:18SPEAKER_02: I need somebody to be breaking up the ice, you know, just keeping some fucking shit in order.
- 7:22SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, keep your eyes peeled for this party.
- 7:25SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be 9-9.
- 7:26SPEAKER_02: It's the Wednesday at brewers game, it's the last and I think that's appropriate.
- 7:31SPEAKER_02: It's the last brewer's game of the year, right?
- 7:33SPEAKER_02: I think it's our last brewer's game of the year.
- 7:35SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pretty sure it is.
- 7:36SPEAKER_02: Whatever.
- 7:39SPEAKER_02: Nevertheless, it should be reason.
- 7:40SPEAKER_02: Then we're off on Thursday.
- 7:42SPEAKER_02: No one's doing shit on Wednesday nights, by the way.
- 7:45SPEAKER_02: That's a guarantee.
- 7:46SPEAKER_02: So, and then the last thing on this part, hey, listen, you can I get sent this.
- 7:50SPEAKER_02: Is the type of stuff you can fast forward through it, you're not coming to the listen party.
- 7:54SPEAKER_02: But again, Wednesday 9 9, I'm getting a permit.
- 7:57SPEAKER_02: Now I think I have to do it in DuPage County, which kind of fucking blows.
- 8:00SPEAKER_02: So I might have to go through a family member who lives in DuPage County to get the permit process.
- 8:04SPEAKER_02: Hey, if this isn't Kane County, but bring the family, park the bus.
- 8:09SPEAKER_02: Nobody gives a shit at all.
- 8:10SPEAKER_02: DuPage County, now we're in permanent.
- 8:12SPEAKER_00: You're jumping through, yeah.
- 8:13SPEAKER_00: You have to jump through a couple hoops and make sure everything's all nothing, nothing.
- 8:19SPEAKER_02: Cook county, they're just happy they're not finding dead bodies there.
- 8:21SPEAKER_02: They're happy that people are in the park with the pulse.
- 8:24SPEAKER_02: The DuPage County, where you got to walk a delicate line.
- 8:26SPEAKER_02: The problem is DuPage County is center to all the foot traffic I'm gonna be asking for on a Wednesday.
- 8:32SPEAKER_02: You're gonna be coming off 355.
- 8:34SPEAKER_02: Can I interest you in 294?
- 8:35SPEAKER_02: 55 for the north, you know, south near near southwest side.
- 8:39SPEAKER_02: There's so many different angles into that little pocket, Oakbrook 88.
- 8:43SPEAKER_00: Obviously, logistically, it's it makes perfect sense for uh a maniac AM listening party.
- 8:49SPEAKER_02: It rules out the Evanson crowd, it rules out some of the North Shore.
- 8:53SPEAKER_02: And I'm sorry, that's it.
- 8:54SPEAKER_02: But you guys are hard to get to, anyways.
- 8:56SPEAKER_02: It's either come to you or ask you to take the, but I can't be calling the Glencoe.
- 9:01SPEAKER_00: Then we're not meeting in the city either.
- 9:03SPEAKER_00: So no shot, buddy.
- 9:05SPEAKER_00: Are you at parking?
- 9:06SPEAKER_02: Yeah, do you know how bad I'd feel if a maniac gets robbed?
- 9:09SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm putting it's like Oak Brook's nice, buddy.
- 9:12SPEAKER_02: Come out to Elmhurst, they they'll take care of those are gonna be clean bathrooms.
- 9:15SPEAKER_02: So, so, anyways, we're nine minutes into the show.
- 9:18SPEAKER_02: This is the Monday morning cub show.
- 9:20SPEAKER_02: It is presented by Thursday Bait Carroll.
- 9:21SPEAKER_02: Let's get into some baseball talk.
- 9:22SPEAKER_02: Who are vigilantes of the week, Mahoney?
- 9:24SPEAKER_00: All right, Carl.
- 9:25SPEAKER_00: I got some vigilantes of the week before uh put it about.
- 9:29SPEAKER_00: I have vigilantes of the week prepared for you here.
- 9:31SPEAKER_00: Let's just kick it off right away.
- 9:32SPEAKER_00: Sandy Salvaje of the Week.
- 9:34SPEAKER_00: It's our spicy watermelon.
- 9:35SPEAKER_00: Who do I have to say it again?
- 9:37SPEAKER_00: I think this is the fourth time in a row.
- 9:39SPEAKER_00: Pico Armstrong is our Sande Salvaje of the Week.
- 9:44SPEAKER_00: Uh, 32 dingers, whatever, climbing, new career highs, all that.
- 9:48SPEAKER_00: What else can I say about PCA?
- 9:50SPEAKER_00: He's just having back-to-back 30 thirsty seasons, I like to say.
- 9:55SPEAKER_00: So he's gonna be our Sandy Savaje of the week, maniacs.
- 9:58SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's just what it is, Carl.
- 10:01SPEAKER_00: A mango muerte.
- 10:03SPEAKER_02: I mean, listen, PCA, what is that?
- 10:06SPEAKER_02: Nine times in a row.
- 10:08SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's that's it.
- 10:10SPEAKER_00: He should he has to get like a Sande El Savage patch on his, you know, if not on the jersey on like some of the undergarments.
- 10:17SPEAKER_02: Well, some what you pick which one of these is Lamon Ladron, which one of these Mango Muerte?
- 10:22SPEAKER_02: All right, okay, all right, because we only give out one.
- 10:25SPEAKER_02: I'm not splitting the vote here.
- 10:26SPEAKER_02: So you get to pick.
- 10:27SPEAKER_02: I have Ass Man and I have David Peterson.
- 10:30SPEAKER_02: One of them's got to be a Mango Muerte, the other one's a Lamon Ladron.
- 10:33SPEAKER_02: Which one is which?
- 10:34SPEAKER_00: Ask Man is Mango Muerte because he's a he's sweet up front, and then he kills you, right?
- 10:40SPEAKER_00: And then you know, David Peterson, he's the Lamon Ladron because that's just gonna he's gonna rob you blind, you know.
- 10:46SPEAKER_00: He just you don't expect it, and all of a sudden you're you're hitting ground balls all over the place.
- 10:51SPEAKER_00: What the hell's going on here?
- 10:52SPEAKER_00: Ask Man does what he's does what he wants, he's sweet, but then there's that habaniero at the back end, and he's gonna give you what you need to really make that you know have it feel when it goes down, you know, your your throat into your tummy.
- 11:06SPEAKER_02: That's what I just remind that just reminds me about the about the hey here's a 10-minute ad read.
- 11:11SPEAKER_02: That just reminds me about the muerte.
- 11:14SPEAKER_02: What reminds me about the muerte is that it is a habanero based.
- 11:18SPEAKER_02: That's why it is a little bit spicier, that's why you do have to warm up to it.
- 11:21SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get to Ask Man, we're gonna get to Peterson.
- 11:23SPEAKER_02: I have some specific stuff to talk about with those guys, but uh Mahoney, good job kicking the show off.
- 11:28SPEAKER_02: It's good to have you back.
- 11:30SPEAKER_02: I think we're kind of closing down as and this is some terminology I introduced into last week's show.
- 11:35SPEAKER_02: I think we're kind of getting into the we're we're into the back end of act one as we transition into act two of the show.
- 11:41SPEAKER_02: So delightful to have you back, my friend.
- 11:43SPEAKER_00: Yep, that's correct, Carl.
- 11:44SPEAKER_00: It's delightful to be back.
- 11:46SPEAKER_00: Apologies, maniacs, for the scheduling conflict.
- 11:48SPEAKER_02: Don't ever apologize ever.
- 11:50SPEAKER_00: Hey, yo, first week of kindergarten for the the daughter, the kids were sick, it was all over the place.
- 11:55SPEAKER_00: We got them there, no tears from from the big guy.
- 11:59SPEAKER_00: But Carl, what I want to do is actually start tossing the pill around a little bit.
- 12:02SPEAKER_00: Can we play a little bit of catch?
- 12:04SPEAKER_00: This is a segment I want to introduce, and it's called Tossing Around the Pill.
- 12:08SPEAKER_00: All right, because there's a few things I really want to hit on, and I want to hear what you have to say.
- 12:13SPEAKER_02: A little disrespectful to our 2024 season.
- 12:16SPEAKER_02: I hope there's a couple maniacs out here going, wait a second, and Carl used to have a segment with Mahoney called Pitch and Catch.
- 12:22SPEAKER_00: Yes, yep, pitch and catch.
- 12:24SPEAKER_00: Just I just put it in tossing around the pill.
- 12:26SPEAKER_02: Same segment, different name.
- 12:28SPEAKER_02: You're rebranding segments without telling me.
- 12:32SPEAKER_00: It's just what I put down on paper this morning.
- 12:36SPEAKER_00: And sadly, I couldn't remember pitch and catch.
- 12:40SPEAKER_00: You go, I know there was this instant dude, and I thought, I'm like, what is the metaphor that I use when I was a kid?
- 12:47SPEAKER_02: Throwing the pill.
- 12:49SPEAKER_02: So hey Moni, I'm happy to throw the pill with you on this.
- 12:52SPEAKER_02: What do we got?
- 12:53SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's do it, Carl.
- 12:54SPEAKER_00: So, yo, this weekend there's a two gut punches, and then a what you know, the massacre, the 19 and two, whatever.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: But getting walked off two nights in a row, it's like shaking up a thirsty vaqueiro or something.
- 13:06SPEAKER_00: You know, like it's coming and that blows, and then Saturday we hand it to Webb.
- 13:11SPEAKER_00: We see that incident, but Sunday is like nothing happened.
- 13:14SPEAKER_00: So is it just paper or oh though, it makes it a lot easier when we come off of two brutal losses and then run in 19 runs down any team's throat in the big leagues, especially I think, like we said earlier, on a getaway day.
- 13:29SPEAKER_02: I think it depends if it's you know, for for guys like us, we're doing a show, so we gotta talk about this club.
- 13:37SPEAKER_02: Um, it makes that easier.
- 13:40SPEAKER_02: You know, I think for some some real maniacs, it might make a little bit harder because you go, What team is this?
- 13:49SPEAKER_02: Is this wins by 17 and then you lose two walk-offs?
- 13:53SPEAKER_02: That's why you have to go back and you have to be very precise breaking this stuff down to say, if we win two out of three, are you happy?
- 14:00SPEAKER_02: 95% say yes.
- 14:01SPEAKER_02: If you win two out of three, 95% of people say yes, and then you go, all right, did you expect to win on Saturday?
- 14:08SPEAKER_02: Jacob Webb has been perfect going in that game.
- 14:11SPEAKER_02: He was he had a zero ERA over his last 25 innings pitched.
- 14:16SPEAKER_02: So he blows that game.
- 14:19SPEAKER_02: Now, the other thing, too, is goes, would you expect to win a game like on Friday where PCA leads off with a home run?
- 14:27SPEAKER_02: You'd go, Yeah, I would expect that game to win that game.
- 14:30SPEAKER_02: Or when we lost, how many home runs?
- 14:31SPEAKER_02: Did we hit four home runs on Saturday and lose?
- 14:34SPEAKER_02: Yep.
- 14:34SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I mean, there's a whole bunch of different ways where you go, all right.
- 14:37SPEAKER_02: We're one of these games we win by 17.
- 14:39SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tell you about the other two games.
- 14:40SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tell you about some stuff that happens in those games.
- 14:42SPEAKER_02: Would you expect to win those games?
- 14:44SPEAKER_02: You know, like the Saturday game is like a 98% win expectancy.
- 14:48SPEAKER_02: So sometimes you don't cross the border on that.
- 14:50SPEAKER_02: Then the equivalency is like we've been on the other side of that where we've won plenty of games this year.
- 14:54SPEAKER_02: We're like, can't believe you won that game, right?
- 14:57SPEAKER_02: So that's just an easy way to compare compartmentalize it on my end, and I think the players compartmentalize it really right after the game.
- 15:05SPEAKER_00: I think it means more to us the way the weekend went and shaped, and easier to do the show coming off a win, and uh, you know, we're not downtrodden on whatever, so we got you know a fresher, fresher taste in our mouth, you know, a la mengo muerte.
- 15:18SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I that's how I feel too.
- 15:21SPEAKER_00: And as long as the players are fine with it, I am.
- 15:24SPEAKER_00: Let's just get the hell out of Seattle.
- 15:25SPEAKER_00: And like that's a tough place to travel to, let's be honest.
- 15:28SPEAKER_02: It it's not easy to get there, but do you know the ad read ended, Mahoney?
- 15:32SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna be trickling dripping Lamon Ladron into the show throughout the because I need to know as a co-host?
- 15:39SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm good.
- 15:40SPEAKER_00: It's probably just are you doing a bit I could reach to?
- 15:43SPEAKER_00: No, it's no bit, it's just something sometimes you're lost on analogies, and the freshest ones are you know the freshest cans, they're the most delicious ones 100%.
- 15:53SPEAKER_02: Dude, I often find myself uh comparing things to uncrustable, particularly how you got to take it out of the freezer.
- 15:59SPEAKER_02: It's not necessarily complicated, but it is a critical step.
- 16:02SPEAKER_02: It is very basic.
- 16:03SPEAKER_02: If you don't do it, you can't enjoy it.
- 16:05SPEAKER_00: So and if you microwave it too much, it ruins everything.
- 16:08SPEAKER_02: Well, I would never put I would never, I would never put well, why would you do see?
- 16:12SPEAKER_02: This is an existence good life metaphor of you complicating things instead of just taking the 30 minutes and enjoying it, Tim.
- 16:19SPEAKER_02: You're trying to nuke it.
- 16:21SPEAKER_00: Speed, man, because the kids sometimes need it quicker, and you have to just be rapid fire.
- 16:26SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna move on.
- 16:28SPEAKER_00: Two gut punches, one massacre, but whatever.
- 16:31SPEAKER_00: Um go ahead, Carl.
- 16:33SPEAKER_02: No, this is I think if I understand, we're playing catch right now, we're at 30 feet, we're gonna take a step back, we're gonna expand the conversation, would be my understanding.
- 16:41SPEAKER_00: Okay, yes, and now this one mathematically, no, of course, but are we out of the NL Central Ace?
- 16:49SPEAKER_00: And I asked because what seven back this morning?
- 16:53SPEAKER_00: I know we're playing Milwaukee seven times, can't expect to win every one of those games.
- 16:58SPEAKER_00: Um, you don't quit on it, but the build of the team does the does Craig chase Milwaukee or does he conserve energy for a wild card for the wild cards?
- 17:11SPEAKER_00: I mean, I it's a different style, isn't it?
- 17:13SPEAKER_00: To to manage if you're actually gonna get you know aggressive, or I'm interested to hear what you say.
- 17:21SPEAKER_00: Do we protect arms, lock a wild card, or is that even too close for comfort?
- 17:26SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm just mad you want to talk about Craig in this stuff.
- 17:28SPEAKER_02: What why did you go to Craig?
- 17:30SPEAKER_02: What a fuck what the fuck does Craig managing have to do I feel like with us catching Milwaukee, Mahoney?
- 17:37SPEAKER_02: We play Milwaukee seven times.
- 17:39SPEAKER_02: You start this question by telling me that statistically, you know, we're not out of it, but and so how does how does how does Craig Counsel I mean Mahoney?
- 17:51SPEAKER_00: Wouldn't it be managed differently with pitchers if you're looking to catch a team in a division?
- 17:58SPEAKER_00: Or like, are we gonna go and save everything for the Milwaukee series?
- 18:02SPEAKER_02: We just sent Ass Man down to AAA because he has options and we can do that.
- 18:07SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know.
- 18:08SPEAKER_02: We're still running Edward Cabrera out there to see what he's fucking worth, you know, while we DFA Jameson Taeon.
- 18:15SPEAKER_02: In the meantime, we get news about you know, Justin Steele and Ben Brown are throwing, and Clay Holmes looks like he could pitch one, and Gossman looks like or looks like he could pitch two, and Gossman looks like he's gonna pitch one.
- 18:27SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the the the the the we're seven games back in Milwaukee.
- 18:32SPEAKER_02: We gotta play great baseball to to beat him.
- 18:35SPEAKER_02: Uh, Craig Council has the fucking least to do with whether or not we catch Milwaukee, Mahoney.
- 18:42SPEAKER_02: He's at this point in the season, it's about the fucking players on the field right now.
- 18:46SPEAKER_02: It's about the bats in the lineup, it's about the guys playing the game right now.
- 18:51SPEAKER_02: Craig Council is, you know, where we want to start hammering council is a little bit down.
- 18:58SPEAKER_02: We play Milwaukee four fucking times.
- 19:01SPEAKER_02: We're gonna start Clay Holmes, we're gonna start Kevin Gossman.
- 19:04SPEAKER_02: You know, that those are obvious decisions.
- 19:07SPEAKER_02: There, those guys are gonna get four of the seven starts against Milwaukee, I would guess, down the stretch.
- 19:13SPEAKER_02: You know, we don't have a choice about Shodan.
- 19:15SPEAKER_02: Peterson's gonna pitch.
- 19:16SPEAKER_02: We gotta like Ass Man versus Cabrera.
- 19:19SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
- 19:20SPEAKER_02: If Ass man was on the on the team right now, you know, this is an easier thing to talk about Craig Council's influence over the rotation because then you can go, all right, do you have the fucking balls to put Ass Man over?
- 19:31SPEAKER_02: He ain't even on the team.
- 19:33SPEAKER_02: So if we're gonna say this thing, if it's about catching Milwaukee and statistically, it looks like Milwaukee, then talk about the players.
- 19:40SPEAKER_02: Craig Council, I don't give a fuck about Craig Council right now, Mahoney.
- 19:43SPEAKER_02: All right, let me rephrase.
- 19:44SPEAKER_02: Let me rephrase what I'm saying.
- 19:45SPEAKER_02: Now people think I'm mad, people may think I'm mad at Mahoney.
- 19:48SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
- 19:48SPEAKER_00: I yeah, I literally take zero.
- 19:51SPEAKER_00: I don't think you guys understand the stone cold face I have over here.
- 19:54SPEAKER_02: And I know Carl's not mad at me.
- 19:56SPEAKER_02: What I'm talking about is this is about the general concept right now that people anybody has shit to say about counsel and fucking lineups.
- 20:04SPEAKER_02: I don't like the fact that Ian Habs hit in fifth today and have Pop's grand slam.
- 20:09SPEAKER_02: I don't want to see more Tyrone Taylor.
- 20:11SPEAKER_02: I don't know this and that.
- 20:12SPEAKER_02: Listen, we have the odds on favorite to win the MVP.
- 20:14SPEAKER_02: We have two guys who can pitch at the top of a rotation in a playoff series.
- 20:18SPEAKER_02: We got a whole bunch of really good players on this roster.
- 20:21SPEAKER_02: Bregman looks like he's worth every nickel right now, is just scorching hot coming down the stretch.
- 20:26SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's just like a thousand of Michael Bush's home earnoff lefties.
- 20:30SPEAKER_02: We got shit to talk about here.
- 20:32SPEAKER_02: You know, there's good stuff here.
- 20:34SPEAKER_02: Now, if we're gonna talk about catching the that's what I wanted to say about catching the brewers and people that are going, we can't catch the brewers, we gotta play him set with seven times.
- 20:42SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all right, then shut the fuck up.
- 20:47SPEAKER_02: Let them beat us first, is my attitude.
- 20:49SPEAKER_02: Now, what are the chances we catch Milwaukee?
- 20:51SPEAKER_02: You know, not great.
- 20:53SPEAKER_02: That's where if you want to take a step back to 90 feet and keep playing catch, then then let's get into the specifics here because I got a bone to pick with Milwaukee.
- 21:00SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we are not officially out of the NL Central, if if as far as we're concerned on the Monday morning cup show.
- 21:08SPEAKER_02: We're not, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be, which would be it would be ridiculous with this team to rule out anything until it's until they themselves have taken it out themselves.
- 21:20SPEAKER_00: I 30 something games left total, too.
- 21:23SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would have liked okay.
- 21:24SPEAKER_02: We lost two walk-offs.
- 21:25SPEAKER_02: All right, we win both those extra inning games.
- 21:28SPEAKER_02: We're we're sitting here going, all right, we're hot enough.
- 21:31SPEAKER_02: I know I know Milwaukee can't lose, but then we lose the two games, or if we lose two one of the three games, you see, it's such a specific thing.
- 21:38SPEAKER_02: That's why the players don't give a fuck.
- 21:40SPEAKER_02: That's why Craig Council doesn't give a fuck.
- 21:42SPEAKER_02: Because they know we just have to go play.
- 21:45SPEAKER_02: So I don't want anybody listening to the show, much less hosting it, giving any any uh outs to council here.
- 21:55SPEAKER_02: It's on the players at this point.
- 21:57SPEAKER_00: You want to catch now let's fair fair ball.
- 22:00SPEAKER_00: I was just looking at it from an arm management standpoint.
- 22:02SPEAKER_00: And if there is a different approach to chasing a division or just staying what it is, but you're just trying to win ball games no matter what.
- 22:09SPEAKER_02: So well, here's your arm management is consider three.
- 22:13SPEAKER_02: Here's three names that came up this weekend that people were talking about this weekend.
- 22:18SPEAKER_02: Not even including Palency being added to the roster.
- 22:21SPEAKER_02: So there's four.
- 22:22SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 22:22SPEAKER_02: Palency gets added to the roster.
- 22:24SPEAKER_02: Now Ben Brown and Justin Steele are having like really positive feedback, you know, outside of the Cubs PT circuit, which by the way shouldn't mean shit because of the obliques and Danzig Swanson, but whatever.
- 22:42SPEAKER_02: People are saying these darns are healthy.
- 22:44SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, they converted Jackson Wiggins to the bullpen a couple weeks ago.
- 22:48SPEAKER_02: And I guess he's been sensational, which I said probably is his way into the big league.
- 22:53SPEAKER_02: That I remember debut this year is if that once they convert him to the bullpen in the minor leagues, and then they give him a path into the big leagues through the bullpen, and then we call him up in after Labor Day, you know, and he throws eight innings, and we're looking at this guy being like, all right, perfect.
- 23:07SPEAKER_02: This guy's ready for October.
- 23:08SPEAKER_02: And then we give him a little taste of October and see what happens.
- 23:11SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, the beast is out of the cage.
- 23:13SPEAKER_00: That would be a very nice addition if it truly is a beast, you know, breaking through those bars.
- 23:20SPEAKER_02: But in that regard, Lucisco Rodriguez with the Angels in 2001 is what we're looking for.
- 23:26SPEAKER_02: That's what the Angels did.
- 23:27SPEAKER_02: K-Rod was unhitta.
- 23:30SPEAKER_02: They knew what they had.
- 23:31SPEAKER_02: They waited till the end of the season.
- 23:33SPEAKER_02: They brought him up so that no one knew who he was, and then just let the dude run wild in the playoffs.
- 23:38SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people that guys punching out pull up his 2001 playoff states.
- 23:44SPEAKER_00: That's that's I mean, music to my ears, but also music to my eyes was just seeing Justin Steele throw a baseball, seeing Ben Brown out there.
- 23:53SPEAKER_00: There was a couple of those clips around the internet.
- 23:56SPEAKER_00: And if we have like a cavalry, but you know, we don't necessarily know what we're gonna get with Justin Steele.
- 24:01SPEAKER_00: You hope Ben Brown's neck is gonna hold up, it seems to be fine.
- 24:05SPEAKER_00: They both came back saying that they were feeling great.
- 24:08SPEAKER_00: Um, I think Brown might be heading towards a rehab assignment soon.
- 24:12SPEAKER_00: So like we start throwing those guys in the mix.
- 24:14SPEAKER_00: Let's go back to what we were saying with the side earlier.
- 24:17SPEAKER_00: Those are just options, baby.
- 24:18SPEAKER_00: And then we have the the more options and the more arms that we have that we can you know get this thing rolling.
- 24:24SPEAKER_00: Just imagine if Justin Steele is like dealing a bit out of the bullpen as well, come playoff time.
- 24:31SPEAKER_00: Like, that's the type of guy the batters would fear, I feel like.
- 24:34SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm tossing it back, I'm just tossing the ball around here.
- 24:37SPEAKER_02: Sure.
- 24:38SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe I don't know about bat, like it just depends on whatever how good the stuff is.
- 24:47SPEAKER_02: I I don't it's not it's it's a layer, it's yes, it's a layer, it's a nice thing to consider.
- 24:53SPEAKER_02: These are you want to have as many of these balls in play as possible down the stretch, right?
- 24:58SPEAKER_02: You want to have as many options as possible, and then you want to turn to the bullpen and you want to say, um, you know, once rosters expand and you can have a bunch of people up there, it can be very competitive about figuring out what the mix is down the stretch.
- 25:17SPEAKER_02: You gotta fill in the blanks, you gotta hope that Palencia can close.
- 25:21SPEAKER_02: You got to look at three guys that are back end, seventh, eighth inning, strikeout guys.
- 25:27SPEAKER_02: You know, you need two lefties.
- 25:29SPEAKER_02: So, like, if Justin Steele has a role in this, it's not gonna be like we're gonna invent some new fucking position for Justin Steele, where it's like, oh, Justin Steele's here, he's not gonna start because he's hurt.
- 25:41SPEAKER_02: He's it's just so that's not gonna happen.
- 25:43SPEAKER_02: If he plays, you know, if Ben Brown plays, these guys are gonna be coming out of the bullpen, and like I don't maybe it becomes unique for game three, you know, with a boyd.
- 25:57SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't even know.
- 25:58SPEAKER_02: It it's like that they have a far way to come.
- 26:01SPEAKER_02: The exciting part though is that they're in the mix, they're four name, like we're hearing positive reviews about them, so that's good.
- 26:09SPEAKER_02: Now, when you stack all that on top with you know, Hobie Milner, does anybody have an update on Hunter Harvey?
- 26:16SPEAKER_02: You know, you start talking about these are a lot of guys that are better than uh Caleb Thielbar is a good example, yeah.
- 26:26SPEAKER_02: So we have gross levels of improvement.
- 26:29SPEAKER_02: Now, do I want to sit here and go Justin Steele would be a great addition because hitters are afraid of him?
- 26:35SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know what he's throwing, and I don't know.
- 26:37SPEAKER_02: Now, if you're gonna tell me he's healthy and he's crisp and I've seen him at the end of the year and we can have that conversation, absolutely, but like just reeling in, he's got to get back on the mound.
- 26:47SPEAKER_02: The nice thing is the rosters expand, and when they do expand, then it's much easier to have guys uh you know pick and pop out of the bullpen.
- 26:56SPEAKER_00: So you know what then?
- 26:57SPEAKER_00: Good point, too, about guys who are actually on the mound right now, and one of which is Daniel Palencia, who came back, and we still had Jacob Webb, you know, people were chirping.
- 27:05SPEAKER_00: Why is Wait Webb closing the game in the ninth?
- 27:07SPEAKER_00: And like you'd said, he hadn't given up a run since early June.
- 27:10SPEAKER_00: So there's you don't want to get a guy Palencia coming in and throwing him in too much, but with like that closer question is going to come into play, he's activated.
- 27:20SPEAKER_00: You do you send him right out and put him in those situations?
- 27:23SPEAKER_00: I'm talking what would you do?
- 27:25SPEAKER_00: Not like what you know, Craig.
- 27:27SPEAKER_00: I don't want to bring him up right now, but what he would do in a game.
- 27:30SPEAKER_00: And like, or do you have Palencia, you know, get him in a couple high leverage situations before you put him in a safe situation?
- 27:36SPEAKER_02: I don't yeah, I know I thought he did.
- 27:39SPEAKER_02: I thought, yeah, I don't think it's it Jacob Webb doesn't lose a closing role just because Palencia is back.
- 27:47SPEAKER_02: He's got 24 scoreless straight innings in a job that you've he's like looks good.
- 27:53SPEAKER_02: Um Palencia threw Palencia threw a scoreless inning on Friday, yeah.
- 27:59SPEAKER_02: Pitch the school pitch a scoreless seventh and like look good.
- 28:01SPEAKER_02: He's just came back.
- 28:03SPEAKER_02: I mean but then people on Saturday that are going, like, why do well no?
- 28:08SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think that that's like a really low level of intelligence, and I would hope that nobody that that dumb is listening to the show.
- 28:17SPEAKER_00: He had just pitched because there was a lot out.
- 28:20SPEAKER_02: Like, he didn't.
- 28:21SPEAKER_02: What do you mean he just pitched?
- 28:22SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he pitched the day before.
- 28:24SPEAKER_02: He's he was hurt, he was fucking hurt.
- 28:26SPEAKER_02: He's off the fucking IL.
- 28:29SPEAKER_02: He was on the I.
- 28:30SPEAKER_02: We had to rehab him.
- 28:32SPEAKER_02: We've been we've been we've been pitch clocking this guy, we've been watching this guy, we've been we've been charting everything this guy's doing.
- 28:38SPEAKER_02: We've been sitting here going, we need this guy to win a world series, and people are are you telling me there's people mad that like pitching?
- 28:45SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, good on Friday, and then people are mad he didn't close the game Saturday.
- 28:51SPEAKER_02: Are you out of your gourd?
- 28:52SPEAKER_02: Swear to god you should be lucky he didn't have to pitch on Sunday because the bats won by 17.
- 28:59SPEAKER_02: People are stupid then because the point with Palency is you have to groom him into a where he can pitch back-to-back games by the end of the fucking season.
- 29:11SPEAKER_02: One, two, you have to be able to ride Jacob Webb's high like you're just gonna get up from the blackjack table because the fucking cocktail waitress on the other side's got a bigger set of hooters.
- 29:24SPEAKER_02: What are you like?
- 29:25SPEAKER_02: You're crushing right now, you're crushing.
- 29:28SPEAKER_02: So you ride the hot hand, you don't double down on the guy who's got injury history that's like fundamentally critical to us having success in October.
- 29:39SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, I mean, listen, dude.
- 29:41SPEAKER_02: People, if people are saying that, like, and you're tuning into the show.
- 29:46SPEAKER_02: I I'm the injury history is significant.
- 29:50SPEAKER_02: We need him rolling, we need to be able to ride that pony in October.
- 29:53SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
- 29:55SPEAKER_00: That's a fact, Jack.
- 29:57SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, there really isn't a closer question right now.
- 30:00SPEAKER_00: The dude literally just got back to the hood.
- 30:03SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, let him pitch out a little bit, he'll probably get a safe situation against Milwaukee, and then you know, hopefully that goes well, and then hopefully his arm is doing well.
- 30:15SPEAKER_02: Hopefully he's rested.
- 30:16SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, the training staff likes what they see.
- 30:19SPEAKER_02: Hopefully he feels comfortable, and hopefully people can like put some, you know, like can you can you be a little uh what is it?
- 30:29SPEAKER_02: Anthropo.
- 30:32SPEAKER_02: Can you can you be a little anthropomorphic here?
- 30:34SPEAKER_02: Can you put a little human, can you fucking put a little human sauce into the game and see the side of it where it's like the guy is coming back from injury, he's got a bad arm.
- 30:44SPEAKER_02: We want it to be healthy, we want him to feel good.
- 30:47SPEAKER_02: Okay, we lose a game to the mariners, and Jacob Webb blows it.
- 30:51SPEAKER_02: Like maybe Palency does pitch a scoreless, then maybe we are only six back, maybe we are three.
- 30:58SPEAKER_02: But Philadelphia's won ten in a row, nine in a row, they're red hot.
- 31:03SPEAKER_02: Palency's got nothing to do with that, and we don't need to start risking some guys' arm health because Philadelphia is sniffing our crotch.
- 31:10SPEAKER_00: They are sniffing the crotch, and that's what I want to talk about next.
- 31:13SPEAKER_00: They are hot, and we can't necessarily look at up above, as we talked about Milwaukee, got a lot of games to play, but we're holding the top wildcard spot.
- 31:24SPEAKER_00: Philly's kind of we're at their two back, and it's about who hosts in October, and that's very important.
- 31:30SPEAKER_00: A game being hosted in Wrigley, I think, is going to be critical to this team's success.
- 31:35SPEAKER_00: And it looked like we were running away with the wildcard top spot for a while, and now we have to look behind for whatever reason.
- 31:42SPEAKER_00: Too, I feel like the Cubs always kind of bring things down to the wire, or just happens in baseball in general.
- 31:48SPEAKER_00: But where are you at with the Philadelphia Phillies?
- 31:53SPEAKER_00: And you said they won nine in a row.
- 31:55SPEAKER_00: And do you like have any like are you sweating the Phillies, or are you just thinking about the games that are in front of us right now?
- 32:02SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm not sweating the Philly.
- 32:04SPEAKER_02: No, I don't, I don't I would like us to win baseball games, is it?
- 32:10SPEAKER_02: Like yesterday it was like, hey, the Phillies are up our ass a little bit.
- 32:13SPEAKER_02: We need to win today.
- 32:13SPEAKER_02: We won by 17.
- 32:15SPEAKER_02: So on Saturday, I didn't have the sentiment about the Phillies.
- 32:18SPEAKER_02: You know, yesterday we introduced this urgency around the Phillies because they're red hot.
- 32:22SPEAKER_02: You know, we've kind of ignored, okay, they've won four in a row, five in a row, six in a row.
- 32:25SPEAKER_02: You ignore that seven, eight, nine in a row.
- 32:28SPEAKER_02: Okay.
- 32:29SPEAKER_02: Now you lose back-to-back walk-offs.
- 32:31SPEAKER_02: You go, we have to win.
- 32:32SPEAKER_02: So I don't know where I'm at.
- 32:33SPEAKER_02: Where I'm at with them is I don't where I'm at with them is I want to I A don't want to play them.
- 32:40SPEAKER_02: B, if I do play him, I prefer it would be at Wrigley Field.
- 32:44SPEAKER_02: You know, I that's just a fact.
- 32:47SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't need to go see their left-handed pitching comfortable.
- 32:50SPEAKER_02: They have two lefties that that are tough, Sanchez and Lazardo.
- 32:53SPEAKER_02: So I don't need to see those guys.
- 32:55SPEAKER_02: Don't want to deal with them.
- 32:56SPEAKER_02: Would much rather be booing Kyle Schorber.
- 32:59SPEAKER_02: Would much, you know, I'd rather like that.
- 33:01SPEAKER_02: I'm fine, fine.
- 33:02SPEAKER_02: Boo these guys in the playoffs.
- 33:03SPEAKER_02: I know people love Shorber, whatever.
- 33:05SPEAKER_02: Fucking come here in October, buddy, trying to take us out of the playoffs.
- 33:08SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that would be a fun boo.
- 33:11SPEAKER_02: That would be a fun boo in Knock Pell.
- 33:13SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hey, fuck you.
- 33:15SPEAKER_02: Fucking lucky ass motherfucker.
- 33:16SPEAKER_02: They put the DH in your career.
- 33:18SPEAKER_02: You'd be you'd be slinging drinks in Tampa right now.
- 33:21SPEAKER_02: You'd be taking out a fucking Sarasota, be selling hitting lessons in Sarasota, two different baby mo shut your shut your mouth when you come back here in October, Kyle.
- 33:30SPEAKER_00: Strike out too much, Kyle.
- 33:32SPEAKER_00: You strike out, fuck you.
- 33:33SPEAKER_02: Yeah, fuck you.
- 33:35SPEAKER_02: Now that's you know, that's a spicy take brought to you by Thirsty Facero.
- 33:40SPEAKER_02: My point is this, where am I at with the Phillies?
- 33:42SPEAKER_02: Is cooldown one two, you know, they're hot because the bats are hot and they're they're masking, they're a terrible team defensively, they're atrocious in the field, and everything basically, but their power hitting and their left hand is already pitching, is average to below average, so they're not a great baseball team.
- 34:05SPEAKER_02: But like that's a that's the situation where like I would I'm happy to play the Phillies in five.
- 34:10SPEAKER_02: Seven is a guaranteed win because they're not good.
- 34:14SPEAKER_02: But three games dangerous, all right.
- 34:17SPEAKER_02: Fine.
- 34:17SPEAKER_02: If I do have to play them, then I do want to at Wrigley Field and I want it to be a complete day game zoo, or not, you can't do Phillies Cubs at night, people would get murdered.
- 34:26SPEAKER_00: No, that's too much for even me.
- 34:34SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
- 34:35SPEAKER_02: Any questions on where we're at with Philadelphia?
- 34:37SPEAKER_02: I mean, like they're hot.
- 34:38SPEAKER_02: I yeah, and it's like I just have some really good left, so it's like Pete's our best player, and I know he's okay against lefties, and he's been good against lefties, but like I would just rather have righties for Pete and for Bush.
- 34:50SPEAKER_00: And here's the fucking thing, guys.
- 34:52SPEAKER_00: They're just uh they're behind us.
- 34:54SPEAKER_00: I you gotta talk about them.
- 34:55SPEAKER_00: You want to bring about no shit.
- 34:57SPEAKER_00: I want to have the Cubs at home.
- 34:59SPEAKER_00: Like, it's like, well, what do you think about them?
- 35:01SPEAKER_00: You're we're playing in Philly, like I get it.
- 35:04SPEAKER_00: Um, so with that, uh, we have the best.
- 35:07SPEAKER_00: But am I scared about them?
- 35:08SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the question is right, as far as answers pitch up, it's like, no, not written.
- 35:13SPEAKER_02: I mean, not really.
- 35:14SPEAKER_02: I just think they're they are red hot right now, and it would suck if we played average baseball and they stayed red hot, and then we ended up having to go there when it's like we do need to keep the foot on the gas, we need to keep playing well.
- 35:26SPEAKER_02: And I think this comes back to the question of why is Edward Cabrera pitching then?
- 35:31SPEAKER_02: Peterson's been great, you know, Ass Man's been great.
- 35:34SPEAKER_02: I know we have the options, but like at what point are we realistic and going there?
- 35:38SPEAKER_02: Isn't a world where Edgar Edward Cabrera is gonna pitch a high leverage inning in a meaningful game this year.
- 35:43SPEAKER_02: So, can we not just do the same thing we did with Daeon?
- 35:45SPEAKER_02: Except can we shelve him for the rest of the year?
- 35:48SPEAKER_02: Can we be honest about that?
- 35:50SPEAKER_00: It doesn't seem like we are, so yeah, that's been kind of a kick to the dick.
- 35:55SPEAKER_02: Just what else we got, Mahoney?
- 35:56SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about Swanson real quick, and then I'm just gonna get into the old baller strikes, Carl.
- 36:00SPEAKER_00: So with this infield shuffle, I feel strongly that Horner and Ramirez can hold it all together up the middle.
- 36:08SPEAKER_00: Pedro's been, I mean, he's a plus glove, you know, at second base.
- 36:12SPEAKER_00: And are we gonna feel Dansby's loss up the middle with having somebody like Nico able to move over?
- 36:21SPEAKER_00: And I know he's so sweet at shortstop, but like what is this gonna look like, do you think, for our for our defense up the middle?
- 36:30SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, not great.
- 36:32SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's bad, it's not good, it's bad.
- 36:35SPEAKER_02: I think the more the general point here is that it blows in dance be.
- 36:42SPEAKER_02: Well, no, I mean, yeah, I've been down this path.
- 36:45SPEAKER_02: I've already done I I went down this whole thing.
- 36:47SPEAKER_02: I made everybody vow allegiance to the responsibility of people shit talking dance me.
- 36:55SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's not even what do you mean?
- 36:56SPEAKER_02: What do what do I think?
- 36:57SPEAKER_02: I think I think your uncle Gary's going to fucking prison.
- 37:00SPEAKER_02: That's what I think.
- 37:01SPEAKER_02: Go listen to the Friday show.
- 37:02SPEAKER_02: Like, my what I think is that it's like we're kind of getting to the junction where, like, okay, I know Pedro Ramirez had a good game Sunday.
- 37:10SPEAKER_02: You know, like I get Nico Horner can play the position, but like, don't ever be tempted to think otherwise.
- 37:19SPEAKER_02: Don't ever be tempted to think that the replacement between Danzby and Nico is anything like comparable to Nico at short and Pedro Mirrors at second right now.
- 37:33SPEAKER_02: Pedro Mirz is gonna have to hit over 300 down the stretch and slug over 450 down the stretch, would have to slug in meaningful to replace what Danzby Swanson does.
- 37:43SPEAKER_02: Uh defense, it would be, and then you got to ask Nico to play out where Nico's awesome at second, he's pretty good at shortstop.
- 37:50SPEAKER_02: You know, he's maybe a tick above average at shortstop, where he's like one of the best at second.
- 37:55SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's just a it's a really basic thing that people are going to be tempted when Pedro Mirz goes three for six, you know, in a 17-run game to go, well, look at that.
- 38:06SPEAKER_02: I go, nope, nope, don't do that.
- 38:08SPEAKER_02: Don't do it.
- 38:09SPEAKER_02: It's tempting.
- 38:11SPEAKER_02: It's I know you had a good time at Myrtle Beach.
- 38:13SPEAKER_02: That's all it is.
- 38:14SPEAKER_02: It's a good time at Myrtle Beach.
- 38:15SPEAKER_02: Do not get the timeshare, it's not worth the timeshare.
- 38:18SPEAKER_02: Do not be buying real, do not it.
- 38:21SPEAKER_02: All it is is just a good time at Myrtle Beach.
- 38:24SPEAKER_02: That's Pedro Ramirez at second base right now, with respect to replacing Danzby Swanson.
- 38:29SPEAKER_00: Don't buy the timeshare, just go on the vacation, save your money.
- 38:34SPEAKER_00: Yes, don't don't opt for any of the vacation club stuff that your beachfront hotel is trying to sell you.
- 38:42SPEAKER_00: You know what?
- 38:42SPEAKER_00: Don't even don't even go on the courtesy meeting with those folks ever.
- 38:48SPEAKER_00: They will suck you into a two-hour ordeal, and then you're they're good.
- 38:52SPEAKER_00: You're gonna start thinking about it.
- 38:54SPEAKER_00: Don't do it, go have fun with the family at Myrtle Beach.
- 38:57SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, just don't, yeah, like you don't need to own the time.
- 39:01SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna work out.
- 39:02SPEAKER_02: You don't, I know your son wants to go skiing.
- 39:04SPEAKER_02: I know you feel like you're you haven't been around as much as you'd like to.
- 39:08SPEAKER_02: This will give you that option, this will give you the distance from work.
- 39:12SPEAKER_02: It won't be.
- 39:12SPEAKER_00: You won't go as much as you think you will.
- 39:14SPEAKER_00: It's a fact.
- 39:16SPEAKER_02: Your son is on he only likes skiing.
- 39:18SPEAKER_02: It's he doesn't, he's gonna change his mind as soon as you get to skis.
- 39:22SPEAKER_02: You're gonna hate it.
- 39:22SPEAKER_02: He's gonna he's gonna want to jet ski, and then you're gonna be buying a lake house, and then you're gonna be looking to move a timeshare.
- 39:29SPEAKER_02: And the value on those things, trust me, impossible to move.
- 39:32SPEAKER_02: So Pedro Miras is a good player, that's what I'm saying.
- 39:36SPEAKER_02: It's myrtle, it's a fun time, it's fine.
- 39:38SPEAKER_02: Just like know what you're know what you're doing here.
- 39:41SPEAKER_02: And like, here's the thing is Pedro Mirz could be good enough.
- 39:44SPEAKER_02: What we would here's a perfect situation is Pedro Mirz plays enough that he becomes a trusted person in the lineup that we can count on in high-leverage baseball that fits into the team that is not a starter unless a matchup dictates, unless someone unless he has to be, but he can be.
- 40:05SPEAKER_02: But we don't want him to be.
- 40:06SPEAKER_02: It's it's a very delicate, unique situation here, but in no way is he like fucking you want him?
- 40:14SPEAKER_02: Danzby Swanson beat the Padres last year.
- 40:17SPEAKER_02: Just go watch the go watch the day baseball against the Padres.
- 40:22SPEAKER_02: Dan's V Swanson put the Cubs in the National League DS last year.
- 40:26SPEAKER_02: Now, Miko's a good shortstop.
- 40:28SPEAKER_02: Nico does not win the Padres series like Danzby Swanson did last year.
- 40:32SPEAKER_02: That's just a fact.
- 40:33SPEAKER_02: So please, guys, everybody, including me.
- 40:37SPEAKER_02: Including me, calm down.
- 40:39SPEAKER_00: One, I mean, just one thing, too, that I is somewhat nice is that uh that Dansby's our only position player that went down throughout the season comparatively to everything else on the pitching side of things.
- 40:52SPEAKER_00: So it's like color me lucky that we do have folks that slide around and move in, but no one uh can replace a Dansby Swanson in the field.
- 41:03SPEAKER_02: I mean, we have we've arguably the most important stretch of baseball in front of us.
- 41:11SPEAKER_00: You want him there.
- 41:13SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, you're just introducing the fact that nobody gets hurt.
- 41:17SPEAKER_02: We're so lucky.
- 41:18SPEAKER_02: We're so lucky.
- 41:19SPEAKER_02: Aren't we so lucky, Mahoney?
- 41:21SPEAKER_02: Aren't we just the luckiest team in the world?
- 41:23SPEAKER_02: Nobody gets hurt.
- 41:25SPEAKER_00: Um I mean from the the lineup side of things.
- 41:33SPEAKER_00: We're just lucky that we have players that can play the position.
- 41:38SPEAKER_02: If you're lucky if you'll be you'll be lucky if how about this, if we do the show next week, if we do the show next week, and nobody gets hurt between now and next week, you are lucky.
- 41:51SPEAKER_02: I'm like changing.
- 41:52SPEAKER_00: I'm like freaking out internally right now, looking around for wood to knock on.
- 41:57SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I'm moving on.
- 41:59SPEAKER_00: Shut up, I'm moving on.
- 42:00SPEAKER_02: No, we can't do wood mounting.
- 42:03SPEAKER_01: I won't.
- 42:09SPEAKER_02: Listen, we're not allowed to knock on wood on the shows anymore because the sound of the wood impacts the editing software, and that's why there have been echoes and clicks.
- 42:22SPEAKER_00: Do you remember when I was clicking so bad that one that one episode a few years ago?
- 42:27SPEAKER_00: Just clicking nervously on my mouse, anyways.
- 42:29SPEAKER_00: Carl, uh baller strike getting walked off two nights in a row sucks more now, only because after 11 p.m.
- 42:38SPEAKER_00: Like that's a lot worse and stings a little bit more for me.
- 42:41SPEAKER_00: That's a strike.
- 42:43SPEAKER_02: Um, you know what?
- 42:44SPEAKER_02: No, because I fell asleep on Friday, and it's a it's uh that you have it as a strike.
- 42:54SPEAKER_02: I have as a ball.
- 42:55SPEAKER_02: I didn't if I'm up, if I stayed up, then it's much worse.
- 42:59SPEAKER_02: Um I didn't like forced myself to.
- 43:03SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can't.
- 43:04SPEAKER_02: I have had uh Friday was a big night, you know, Saturday was a big, which is I've had a lot of personal stuff going on, so I can't be.
- 43:13SPEAKER_02: I gave it my best.
- 43:15SPEAKER_02: You know, I gave it my best.
- 43:16SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, they woke up.
- 43:17SPEAKER_02: Then it was too late to complain.
- 43:19SPEAKER_02: It's 3 a.m.
- 43:20SPEAKER_02: We're just like, fuck it, I'm back to bed.
- 43:22SPEAKER_02: So um I think the I think a bad walk-off is a is a Friday day game walk-off.
- 43:30SPEAKER_02: Uh but we no, no, no, we can't get walked off Friday day games.
- 43:33SPEAKER_02: We can only do the walking off.
- 43:36SPEAKER_02: So if we are gonna get walked off, I suppose I would want it to be like laid deep in the you know, I forgot about it, suppose a ball.
- 43:46SPEAKER_00: Fair fair ball.
- 43:47SPEAKER_00: Baller strike, Carl.
- 43:49SPEAKER_00: We've asked this question several times.
- 43:50SPEAKER_00: Baller strike, Alex Pregman is worth every dollar of his contract.
- 43:57SPEAKER_02: It's still a ball, but You know, with a high likelihood of being a strike, because if we do win, it's because he's uh second to PC.
- 44:09SPEAKER_02: PCA is so good.
- 44:12SPEAKER_02: So it's hard to say you're worth 35 million when PCA is getting paid.
- 44:18SPEAKER_02: I think he's still only getting like a million this year.
- 44:21SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy, and still kind of signed at what we thought was a discount, you know, leading to oh, he's PCA is worth a billion right now.
- 44:30SPEAKER_02: If you had to sign PCA to open up, Jed got one of the great deals.
- 44:34SPEAKER_02: No, he's probably worth PCA's.
- 44:36SPEAKER_02: If Kyle Tucker signed for 60 million dollars AAB, PCA is probably worth 80.
- 44:43SPEAKER_02: I mean, think of what Juan Soto got.
- 44:45SPEAKER_02: PCA's a better offensive player than Juan Soto because he steals so many bases.
- 44:50SPEAKER_02: So, and you're getting the best defensive player.
- 44:53SPEAKER_02: That's the combo.
- 44:54SPEAKER_02: It's like you have the bet the most valuable offensive player because he steals so many bases.
- 44:59SPEAKER_02: Combined with the most valuable defensive player, that's why he's the most valuable player of baseball.
- 45:06SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, what is 80 million a year?
- 45:10SPEAKER_02: Strike.
- 45:11SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter, all relative at this point, anyways.
- 45:15SPEAKER_00: He's getting so is Braggman worth 35.
- 45:17SPEAKER_02: It's like I'll say yes.
- 45:19SPEAKER_00: I say strike just because I love the way he's swinging the bat right now, man.
- 45:22SPEAKER_00: Right now, it's not my money.
- 45:25SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 45:26SPEAKER_02: Right now, it's like if he but he if he was spread this out a little bit, so that's where you know, okay, let's keep it rolling.
- 45:33SPEAKER_02: He's gonna have a he's gonna finish with a great season, and I'm much more interested in what he does in the playoffs.
- 45:37SPEAKER_02: And that's that's honestly it's like you get that guy because he can do what he's done over the last couple weeks, and he can carry that forward into the like the most into like the most unbelievably dominant stretches.
- 45:51SPEAKER_00: Baller strike.
- 45:52SPEAKER_00: Javier Assad has a Des Moines Airport parking spot now privately centered for himself.
- 45:59SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is probably why I have such a chip on my shoulder right now, is because I'm so mad at the way this work.
- 46:07SPEAKER_02: What was the first thing I said to you when this happened?
- 46:10SPEAKER_00: That Javier Assad is being treated like shit.
- 46:13SPEAKER_02: It's it's garbage the way this organization treats Assad.
- 46:17SPEAKER_02: And furthermore, how tone deaf they are to the fact that the we want I want to win and lose with Javier Assad on this team.
- 46:27SPEAKER_02: What do you mean he's back in Iowa?
- 46:29SPEAKER_02: What the fuck do you mean he's back in Iowa?
- 46:32SPEAKER_00: I was actually unironically asking you and like the couple of the dudes questions like, is he actually going back and forth every single time?
- 46:40SPEAKER_00: And I know this could be a dumb question or whatever, but are they ever like, hey man, just hang out, hang out at your apartment.
- 46:46SPEAKER_00: Don't actually go join that team.
- 46:48SPEAKER_00: We'll be calling you back up in two days.
- 46:50SPEAKER_00: Or are you really do you have to go back and forth?
- 46:53SPEAKER_02: I know no, is he like rent a house in Hinsdale?
- 46:56SPEAKER_02: You're saying he's just like, Yeah, dude, yeah, sure, I'll be back in the morning.
- 46:59SPEAKER_02: He's like fucking hanging out with Coach Quinville.
- 47:03SPEAKER_02: No, dude, I think it's I think Javier Assad is maybe the only guy you can treat as poorly as they've treated him.
- 47:10SPEAKER_02: They've treat him Tim, they treat him so it really bothers me because how many times, how many times, and if you look, he's pitched above average every single year, he's been solid at the very least, and now he's really coming up when it's like we have to DFA Jamison Taeon, like oh with 60 million dollars.
- 47:32SPEAKER_02: We couldn't see that one, we couldn't see that contract through.
- 47:34SPEAKER_02: Okay, great.
- 47:35SPEAKER_02: You know, we trade Owen Casey for Edward Cabrera.
- 47:38SPEAKER_02: That guy does not belong on the mound for the Tennessee Smokies, and he is still pitching big league innings.
- 47:44SPEAKER_02: You know, I can't even get into some of the guys in the bullpen that are even there that aren't pitching, and you're telling me somehow Javier Sad, and the reason that they're doing it is because they can, because that he has the triple-A options because who gives a fuck?
- 47:59SPEAKER_02: You know, just right out to Des Moines, and it it's at the point where it hurts because we like him so now.
- 48:06SPEAKER_02: Maybe here's a good check meet.
- 48:08SPEAKER_02: Are we wrong?
- 48:08SPEAKER_02: Am I wrong?
- 48:09SPEAKER_02: I feel like maniacs love this guy.
- 48:12SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm not alone.
- 48:14SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm standing in front of a room full of people wearing ass man jerseys.
- 48:19SPEAKER_00: No, dude, you're not wrong, given that he it's not only he's been pitching well, it's in any indifferent situations regularly and then being sent down and then being sent back up.
- 48:29SPEAKER_00: He does it with a great attitude.
- 48:31SPEAKER_00: Um, he's been pitching his ass off, you know, no pun intended there.
- 48:35SPEAKER_00: So, no, you're not wrong.
- 48:37SPEAKER_00: I look at it as like a place like if I'm in an office space and you know that this one coach, they're so nice, and you know that they're getting taken advantage of.
- 48:47SPEAKER_00: They're going around, hey, no problem, I'll go get the coffees.
- 48:50SPEAKER_00: Like, and you're like, Oh, yep, like Martha's doing it again.
- 48:53SPEAKER_00: Isn't she the best?
- 48:54SPEAKER_00: And everyone knows that they're just secretly taking advantage of Martha, she's making all your copies, she's doing everything, and then you just you feel bad, but then you're taking advantage of him too.
- 49:05SPEAKER_00: I don't know, it's it's a weird, it's a weird feeling for me.
- 49:10SPEAKER_02: He's reliable, he does it with a great attitude.
- 49:12SPEAKER_02: I just I would like to be more of an organization that rewards guys who deliver at the MLB level, and uh you know it's just something that's held back our player development for so long is the capacity that it just at some level it doesn't matter what you do.
- 49:28SPEAKER_02: At some level, you're gonna, you know, it just doesn't matter because they're never they're never gonna now, but then this is where I could be wrong because we are a 250 plus million dollar team and we do need high standards, and we do need this and that.
- 49:49SPEAKER_02: We do need to have the best talent and all that stuff, and so there's plenty of arguments, trigo Carl.
- 49:54SPEAKER_02: They're they're looking at it in the way of trying to win a World Series.
- 49:58SPEAKER_02: I just wish it just seems like it's too obvious, or I don't understand.
- 50:03SPEAKER_02: I would I would like to this is something I would actually ask Jed Horror off the record is like, does it actually bother you when the news gets to Javier Sad, when he leaves it all on the field, when we've run so many gutless motherfuckers out there year after year after year, and you got the one dude who doesn't look like it, who's everybody's discounted, who's done nothing but deliver, and you know that you have because of contract situation, you can just send this guy back to the minor leagues, even though he deserves to be at a big league club that's going to the playoffs and he's done every single thing to deserve it, and you got to be the one or Carter's got to be the one.
- 50:40SPEAKER_02: Fuck that guy, but oh buddy.
- 50:43SPEAKER_02: But it's like when you know that news is hitting him, you know, does that bother you personally, or is it just part of the game in there?
- 50:52SPEAKER_02: You just you don't give a fuck.
- 50:54SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, tell me, Jed, does it bother you?
- 50:57SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, it bothers me, but it's just it's it's the nature of the sport, it's the business of things.
- 51:01SPEAKER_00: We only have so many bench spots, yeah.
- 51:03SPEAKER_00: Fuck that.
- 51:03SPEAKER_00: No, I don't like it at all, Carl.
- 51:05SPEAKER_00: And I it like it but it bugs me.
- 51:07SPEAKER_00: I mean, I see, and I can't remember the stat line, whatever it was, but it was like whatever Hassad did, and then he was had a great game.
- 51:15SPEAKER_00: Okay, he had a great game, and then the next day, I'm like, wait, what?
- 51:19SPEAKER_00: You had to like I had to double check, you know, the announcement, and it's just it's odd.
- 51:25SPEAKER_00: And you're looking at the line, you're looking at the rest of the whole the roster.
- 51:29SPEAKER_00: Wait, what's he doing here?
- 51:30SPEAKER_00: Why is he like, why wouldn't they just keep him around?
- 51:33SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're sitting there going, wait a second.
- 51:35SPEAKER_02: Now, hopefully, again, hopefully, Isad, you know, and I've talked about this on the show extensively.
- 51:47SPEAKER_02: A lot of these guys are soft.
- 51:50SPEAKER_02: A lot of these guys are what we call where Mahoney and I are from, they're called pussies.
- 51:56SPEAKER_02: Yes.
- 51:58SPEAKER_02: All right.
- 52:02SPEAKER_02: Now I love listen, I call I collect I have them on baseball cards.
- 52:06SPEAKER_02: I love the game.
- 52:07SPEAKER_02: I'm a history buff.
- 52:09SPEAKER_02: I love the game.
- 52:09SPEAKER_02: I try I have a I treat I have an inhumane relationship with the game.
- 52:15SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you that a lot of these guys are pussies about I'll give you a good example.
- 52:21SPEAKER_02: I'll give you a great example.
- 52:23SPEAKER_02: I think one of uh the like all-time pussies relative to perception of being like a guy who'll do anything anytime is John Lester.
- 52:37SPEAKER_02: John Lester is a great example of like you probably think John Lester he's a baby, he's a big baby.
- 52:44SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a the who put the cold tub like this, and how where's the icy hot?
- 52:50SPEAKER_02: And who touched the radio and where's this?
- 52:53SPEAKER_02: And I said I want that.
- 52:55SPEAKER_02: I'm blah blah blah.
- 52:56SPEAKER_02: Who took it?
- 52:57SPEAKER_02: I'm the number one, I'm the number one.
- 52:58SPEAKER_02: Oh, buddy, story.
- 53:00SPEAKER_02: That was a thing.
- 53:01SPEAKER_02: Holy fuck, the stories of this guy.
- 53:04SPEAKER_02: So, but I'm just saying this like ripping on the screen.
- 53:08SPEAKER_02: I love Lip.
- 53:09SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know he was fundamental to signing him because it was a big signal to the rest of the league.
- 53:14SPEAKER_02: The Cubs are coming, and it kind of got the young guys in check.
- 53:18SPEAKER_02: Like, he definitely did not like any young guy except Rizzo.
- 53:22SPEAKER_02: He was definitely mean to Chris Bryant.
- 53:23SPEAKER_02: There's a reason Chris Bryant is in his conversations.
- 53:26SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, he definitely had strong opinions about Javi Baez and Addison Russell.
- 53:31SPEAKER_02: Uh Addison Russell also was like not really doing himself that much favor, and then there's a faction of guys within there that it's like it's not cool to smoke weed.
- 53:40SPEAKER_02: Well, some guys smoke weed, and then and then, but it's but it's cool to drink as much beer as you guys do, you know.
- 53:46SPEAKER_02: So, like, there's this real weird place socially where you kind of go, Okay, like how about it's just cool to like do whatever you want to do and you just leave guys alone.
- 53:54SPEAKER_02: There you go.
- 53:55SPEAKER_02: But when when I talk about getting into being a pussy and stuff, it's like, yeah, I think crybaby is a better way that people generally understand it.
- 54:04SPEAKER_02: Like, I know you and I use the term pussy fluidly just because like that's more of like the speed of our group of friends.
- 54:10SPEAKER_02: Correct.
- 54:12SPEAKER_02: But um, that's when you go back to Assad and you go, Is he a pussy?
- 54:17SPEAKER_02: Do you think he cares?
- 54:18SPEAKER_02: Do you think he hasn't now?
- 54:20SPEAKER_02: Obviously, he hasn't made a hundred million dollars and all that shit changes you, and when World Series changes you and all that stuff, but I just wish we were an organization that put more stock into guys that aren't complete pussies.
- 54:31SPEAKER_02: And when I look at our pitching staff, there's a lot of pussies.
- 54:34SPEAKER_00: And you can't not feel disrespected if you're Javier Assad, and even if you're just biting on your tongue and going through with it, you you know that you're getting fucked.
- 54:46SPEAKER_00: So hopefully he's not being taken advantage of like Martha in the office.
- 54:50SPEAKER_02: Now, hey, listen, quick thing here is that John Lester's a big game pitcher.
- 54:54SPEAKER_02: All right, yeah, let's yeah, we'll get back to that.
- 54:56SPEAKER_02: He's critical.
- 55:01SPEAKER_02: It's gonna kill me first.
- 55:02SPEAKER_00: John Lester is a pussy, is gonna be the headline of the of the.
- 55:05SPEAKER_02: So I don't mean I don't mean that.
- 55:07SPEAKER_02: I mean he's a big like every he's a you give him the ball, you get out of the way, is the point.
- 55:13SPEAKER_02: It's the four days in between and the dugouts in this kind of staying away from the beast, and then some of the social stuff that comes with having the big price top dog.
- 55:28SPEAKER_02: I'm coming you to be the number one, and then there's some weird social stuff when like uh did you start the playoff game?
- 55:36SPEAKER_02: Did you start the wild card game?
- 55:38SPEAKER_02: Why not?
- 55:39SPEAKER_02: I thought they better I thought you but I I thought they paid him to do that.
- 55:46SPEAKER_02: But he, what do you mean?
- 55:47SPEAKER_02: Someone out competed him.
- 55:49SPEAKER_02: Oh well, I'm sure he handled that well.
- 55:54SPEAKER_02: No chance.
- 55:55SPEAKER_02: No, I mean he probably did.
- 55:57SPEAKER_02: He was they won a World Series.
- 55:58SPEAKER_02: He came out, and you know what he did?
- 56:00SPEAKER_02: You know what he did?
- 56:01SPEAKER_02: This is what I give him credit for.
- 56:03SPEAKER_02: 2015.
- 56:05SPEAKER_02: John Lester does not John Lester does not pitch for the Cubs in the playoff, uh, in the wild card winner go home game.
- 56:14SPEAKER_02: So I give him a ton of credit because then we obviously go on, we beat the Cardinals.
- 56:20SPEAKER_02: Now I do think we lost his start of the Cardinals series, but that's not the point.
- 56:24SPEAKER_02: That's not the point.
- 56:25SPEAKER_02: What I give John Lester credit for is the year after he does not win the year after he doesn't start a playoff game, the wild card game, he comes back in 2016 and finishes second in the Scion and the Cubs win the World Series, and you get the best version of John Lester in a Cubs uniform.
- 56:44SPEAKER_02: Now, mentally strong, I'll be bold.
- 56:49SPEAKER_02: I'll be bold, you know.
- 56:52SPEAKER_02: No, I know this is because literally my favorite baseball player of all time is Jake.
- 56:57SPEAKER_02: Like my favorite baseball player of all time is Jake Arrietta, and you know, I'll I call him comfortably Jake with you, but the I will argue till I die that the John Lester in 2016 only exists because somebody put Johnny in a little corner and said, You're a game two pitcher, buddy.
- 57:21SPEAKER_02: Ain't no fucking game one here.
- 57:22SPEAKER_02: I'm the sheriff in town.
- 57:24SPEAKER_02: I'm the sheriff.
- 57:25SPEAKER_02: I got the six shooters on a side.
- 57:27SPEAKER_02: You can be my deputy.
- 57:29SPEAKER_02: We're gonna need you for game two.
- 57:30SPEAKER_02: But in the meantime, I'm gonna pitch game one.
- 57:32SPEAKER_02: Now, what do you think that did to John Lester in the offseason going into 16?
- 57:37SPEAKER_02: Oh, and mentally getting the ball.
- 57:39SPEAKER_02: You think he's ever gonna be humiliated like that again?
- 57:42SPEAKER_02: Deputized.
- 57:43SPEAKER_02: Yep, that's what Arietta came and just deputized John Lester.
- 57:48SPEAKER_02: And I think the 2016 version of John Lester then can be directly attributed to that.
- 57:54SPEAKER_02: But no, I shouldn't be calling anybody pussies.
- 57:56SPEAKER_02: John Lester is a great baseball player, way better than I ever was, completely fucking awesome.
- 58:01SPEAKER_02: And anything I say about pussy stuff just goes back to like, buddy, you're a game one fucking, I mean, big game, I should say, big game pitching, 200 million dollars something, world series champion, cancer surviving gangster.
- 58:15SPEAKER_02: You know, like I gotta watch my words here.
- 58:17SPEAKER_02: I can I obviously can be disrespectful and over and over the top at times.
- 58:22SPEAKER_02: I think that's kind of what I call him.
- 58:23SPEAKER_02: I'm saying relative to the perception of aircraft carrier guy.
- 58:29SPEAKER_02: I I'm no joke, Javier Assad's all-time aircraft carrier guy.
- 58:34SPEAKER_02: Meaning he'll he'll pitch wherever you put him.
- 58:36SPEAKER_02: Aircraft carriers go wherever they're stationed.
- 58:38SPEAKER_02: They just wherever you need them.
- 58:40SPEAKER_02: Would you where do you want them?
- 58:41SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they might stick around for a little longer, but they're gonna be there.
- 58:45SPEAKER_02: Like those things just go where they're told.
- 58:47SPEAKER_02: Boom, done.
- 58:49SPEAKER_02: Middle of Pacific, there.
- 58:51SPEAKER_02: That's Javier Sad.
- 58:52SPEAKER_02: When he gets there, he's gonna give you six, he's gonna give you six solid.
- 58:55SPEAKER_02: He's gonna give you a quality start.
- 58:57SPEAKER_02: He's gonna pitch out of relief.
- 59:00SPEAKER_00: I got one last baller strike for you.
- 59:02SPEAKER_00: It's kind of a fun one.
- 59:04SPEAKER_00: They're announcing the 150th anniversary team tonight.
- 59:08SPEAKER_00: PCA is on that team.
- 59:10SPEAKER_00: Baller strike.
- 59:12SPEAKER_00: Ball.
- 59:16SPEAKER_00: He's a that's a ball.
- 59:18SPEAKER_00: That's a huge ball.
- 59:19SPEAKER_02: One a year and a half or two years of service time?
- 59:22SPEAKER_02: Huge ball.
- 59:23SPEAKER_02: There's no shot PCA is anywhere near that 150th anniversary team.
- 59:28SPEAKER_02: You want to go through it?
- 59:29SPEAKER_00: Well, I got Tinker and Chance.
- 59:31SPEAKER_00: I know that much.
- 59:32SPEAKER_02: Uh I think you've got messing with that.
- 59:36SPEAKER_02: You're probably here's an interesting thing.
- 59:38SPEAKER_02: Do they put Cap Ants in at first base?
- 59:41SPEAKER_02: Known racist.
- 59:43SPEAKER_02: Holds all the team records.
- 59:45SPEAKER_02: First, I don't know.
- 59:47SPEAKER_02: He wasn't first battle in Hall of Fame.
- 59:48SPEAKER_02: He was he is a Hall of Famer, but he he's fundamental in holding back black baseball.
- 59:54SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he for single-handedly wouldn't go what to like the stadiums or whatever, or wouldn't he?
- 59:59SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then he refused to play if he showed up and they had a fucking Puerto Rican guy on the team.
- 1:00:04SPEAKER_02: Like anybody who didn't look Anglo-Saxon, nope, not getting Cap Anson's business.
- 1:00:08SPEAKER_02: So will he get action at first base?
- 1:00:12SPEAKER_02: Is a thing to be paid attention.
- 1:00:15SPEAKER_02: Now, if he does, listen, I'm not in charge of this fucking shit.
- 1:00:17SPEAKER_02: The guy holds a bunch of records.
- 1:00:19SPEAKER_02: So, and I wasn't there when he said any of this stuff.
- 1:00:21SPEAKER_02: I don't fucking like him.
- 1:00:22SPEAKER_02: You know, I've been uh very outspoken about this.
- 1:00:25SPEAKER_02: Ty Cobb got more Hall of Fame votes than Honas Wagner.
- 1:00:29SPEAKER_02: Honus Wagner was such a profound, morally pure person that the T206 baseball card is valuable because he said I won't be associated with tobacco companies, had his agent halt all product lines, and that's why that card is so popular.
- 1:00:43SPEAKER_00: I know exactly which one you're talking about.
- 1:00:46SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it doesn't exist because Honus Wagner fucking said, I will sue your tobacco company to the ground if you put my face into another one of your products.
- 1:00:54SPEAKER_02: So then they stopped, had to recut all the lines.
- 1:00:56SPEAKER_02: So there's a bunch of those.
- 1:00:58SPEAKER_02: There's a bunch of T206 cards.
- 1:01:00SPEAKER_02: The T206 is just the guy who organized them at the time.
- 1:01:05SPEAKER_02: That's why it's there's T206, 07, the next year, whatever.
- 1:01:08SPEAKER_02: I was just thinking of the artwork and the Ty Cobb went in the stands and beat up physically disabled people.
- 1:01:15SPEAKER_02: Like known piece of crap crap.
- 1:01:19SPEAKER_02: And he got more Hall of Fame votes than Honas Wagner.
- 1:01:22SPEAKER_02: So that's a whole different thing, dude.
- 1:01:24SPEAKER_02: The 150 team, let's make some predictions here.
- 1:01:27SPEAKER_02: Right field, would you say Sammy or Andre Dawson?
- 1:01:31SPEAKER_02: Or do they go?
- 1:01:33SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think of like our historic greats.
- 1:01:36SPEAKER_02: Obviously, Ernie's gonna be at short, Santo's gonna be at second.
- 1:01:42SPEAKER_02: Now your first basem options are Cap Hanson or Frank Chance or Anthony Rizzo or Mark Grace.
- 1:01:50SPEAKER_00: Or my team is Mark Grace.
- 1:01:54SPEAKER_02: Okay.
- 1:01:58SPEAKER_00: Third base Santo?
- 1:02:00SPEAKER_02: I would like to see Johnny Tinkers as second base.
- 1:02:04SPEAKER_02: Or Johnny Evers.
- 1:02:05SPEAKER_02: Johnny Evers.
- 1:02:07SPEAKER_02: Johnny Evers.
- 1:02:08SPEAKER_02: He's he's supposed to be like a hard charging complete asshole.
- 1:02:13SPEAKER_02: Like he was supposed to be the meanest guy, and he only weighed like 140 pounds.
- 1:02:18SPEAKER_02: He he looked like a hobo, dude.
- 1:02:21SPEAKER_02: This guy is all-time hobo player.
- 1:02:23SPEAKER_02: Now Sano and Banks are gonna be.
- 1:02:25SPEAKER_00: I mean, Samberg, Samberg will be at second base.
- 1:02:28SPEAKER_02: Samberg's gonna be at second base, obviously.
- 1:02:30SPEAKER_00: Over it's a marquee team thing, too.
- 1:02:33SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
- 1:02:34SPEAKER_00: So this isn't like a voted on.
- 1:02:35SPEAKER_02: Then they gotta go Frank Chance at first base.
- 1:02:38SPEAKER_02: Frank Chance was like a prize fighter in the day, and so he was like an amateur gold glove boxer, and he was the first baseman for the Cubs.
- 1:02:45SPEAKER_02: Now, at the time, he was like 6'1, 6'2, 200 pounds, which back then was like gigantic.
- 1:02:52SPEAKER_02: And apparently he would he was like the guy who would drop the gloves, and nobody went near anybody because early in his career he liked beat the shit out of a bunch of people and he kept people in order, but he was like a super clean cut.
- 1:03:06SPEAKER_02: My understanding, again, my understanding, he was a clean cut guy, Frank Chance, first baseman, power hitter, thunder, thunder in the middle of the lineup.
- 1:03:17SPEAKER_00: Mickey Morandini, maybe with an honorable mention of two.
- 1:03:21SPEAKER_02: Who's our outfielders?
- 1:03:24SPEAKER_02: Billy Williamson left.
- 1:03:26SPEAKER_02: I mean, see, this is such a complicated list.
- 1:03:28SPEAKER_02: We're just gonna fill it with guys who don't win anything.
- 1:03:33SPEAKER_02: Mordecai Brown on the mound, you gotta tell the story.
- 1:03:36SPEAKER_02: You know, farmhand loses it in a machine.
- 1:03:41SPEAKER_02: What else?
- 1:03:42SPEAKER_02: Who's our outfielders?
- 1:03:43SPEAKER_02: Does Hack Wilson get a taste?
- 1:03:46SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
- 1:03:48SPEAKER_00: Do you think Sammy for sure?
- 1:03:51SPEAKER_00: I think because I mean he's back in the fold.
- 1:03:53SPEAKER_00: I think they're gonna give Sammy a spot.
- 1:03:55SPEAKER_00: What I've had the hardest time with is catcher.
- 1:04:00SPEAKER_00: No, Gabby Harnett.
- 1:04:03SPEAKER_00: Gabby Harnett?
- 1:04:04SPEAKER_00: What yeah, what what decade was he from?
- 1:04:07SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
- 1:04:08SPEAKER_00: That's the problem with some of this historical shit for me.
- 1:04:11SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, Gabby Harnett played for broke into the big leagues in 1922 with the Chicago Cubs.
- 1:04:17SPEAKER_03: Okay.
- 1:04:17SPEAKER_02: Uh, and then played his in played almost his entire career with the Cubs, played through 1940, and then finished up with the Giants in 41.
- 1:04:24SPEAKER_02: So he played in he played in almost 2,000 games, and about nine 1,950 of them came with the Chicago Cubs.
- 1:04:33SPEAKER_02: So he's he's he's probably our best catcher of all time, I would say.
- 1:04:37SPEAKER_02: He won an MVP at 35 and went to a bunch of World Series games.
- 1:04:41SPEAKER_00: Never won any of them, but but dude, that's just a lot of time behind home play, too.
- 1:04:46SPEAKER_00: Man, did they used to stand or anything?
- 1:04:48SPEAKER_02: Just like I get a little can I get a little credit for calling Gabby out?
- 1:04:52SPEAKER_02: Like, does that matter?
- 1:04:53SPEAKER_02: Does that is that like even cool that I know that stuff?
- 1:04:55SPEAKER_00: Or yeah, no, it is cool because I have I didn't know who the fuck he was.
- 1:04:59SPEAKER_00: Like, I just like I'm like, Gab, I think I've heard the name, but I you know I'm not super familiar with the 22 squad.
- 1:05:06SPEAKER_02: No, I might have been called Gabby Hartnett.
- 1:05:09SPEAKER_02: I call might have called Hart Hartet.
- 1:05:12SPEAKER_02: No, it's Hart Hartnett.
- 1:05:15SPEAKER_02: But now this is an era of interesting clubs baseball because they go to the World Series, I want to say 13 times from the turn of the century to 1945, and they lose it every time except oh what, oh seven, oh eight, and they win it back to back years.
- 1:05:40SPEAKER_02: I know they win in 08, obviously.
- 1:05:42SPEAKER_02: They were awesome.
- 1:05:43SPEAKER_00: I do think they won it that they that was their second year in a row.
- 1:05:46SPEAKER_02: Dude, they went to the world series like seven more times, eight more times.
- 1:05:51SPEAKER_02: Gaby Hartner would have been on I I would guess at least five losing World Series teams.
- 1:05:58SPEAKER_02: Four?
- 1:05:58SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was on four.
- 1:05:59SPEAKER_02: He lost.
- 1:06:00SPEAKER_02: 29, 32, 35, and 38.
- 1:06:03SPEAKER_02: Sad.
- 1:06:04SPEAKER_02: Hit 241.
- 1:06:05SPEAKER_02: That's what you get, pal.
- 1:06:06SPEAKER_02: Could have used you.
- 1:06:11SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to see what the 150th team was, Carl.
- 1:06:14SPEAKER_00: One thing, too, I want to leave you all with this.
- 1:06:18SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm a bit rusty today, so bear with me.
- 1:06:21SPEAKER_00: But remember why we're here, and like this is the time of the year where it's a little bit tough.
- 1:06:26SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel kind of like blessed and privileged that we actually get to talk about this.
- 1:06:30SPEAKER_00: But not only that is that we have a good baseball team and we're in the thick of it.
- 1:06:34SPEAKER_00: You know, last year I made sure we didn't take that for granted, and I'm not going to again this year.
- 1:06:39SPEAKER_00: So, maniacs, Carl, myself, I'm going to remind myself like just appreciate the next couple months, right?
- 1:06:46SPEAKER_00: And appreciate where we're at and that we're competing for a division, top of the wild card, go to the playoffs.
- 1:06:53SPEAKER_00: So I'm just coming to at a place of appreciation.
- 1:06:56SPEAKER_00: And I just want to have a great week because of so, and I'm excited to see what the Cubs do, you know, in Arizona, and then what sits in this it's the brew crew.
- 1:07:06SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we have a uh we have an important weekend, uh week in front of us to tidy up, take that 19-2 win on Sunday, really, you know, make make something, make something out of it, kind of move the ball forward.
- 1:07:19SPEAKER_02: You know, and then we got the big we got the big brewer series, so that should be fun.
- 1:07:23SPEAKER_02: We should be firing on all cylinders.
- 1:07:25SPEAKER_02: And then I would just again encourage Maine X to, if you're interested, maybe I'll have Mahoney do this.
- 1:07:30SPEAKER_02: Maybe Mahoney, you've you got a second.
- 1:07:33SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe maybe you quarterback the fucking sign up for the oh yeah, baby.
- 1:07:41SPEAKER_00: I got nothing but time now.
- 1:07:42SPEAKER_00: I just got laid off from my job.
- 1:07:44SPEAKER_00: Same day as moly.
- 1:07:45SPEAKER_00: Same day as moly.
- 1:07:46SPEAKER_00: So we got that media royalty, something in common.
- 1:07:50SPEAKER_00: I got nothing but time, maniacs.
- 1:07:52SPEAKER_00: I'll put this whole thing together, Carl.
- 1:07:54SPEAKER_00: Super excited.
- 1:08:02SPEAKER_02: You're fucking unbelievable, dude.
- 1:08:04SPEAKER_00: It's the truth.
- 1:08:05SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just you know, live and let live.
- 1:08:09SPEAKER_00: Was it a good fit, dude?
- 1:08:11SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whatever.
- 1:08:12SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't really give a shit.
- 1:08:15SPEAKER_00: They weren't there wasn't, didn't work out.
- 1:08:19SPEAKER_00: Take care.
- 1:08:22SPEAKER_01: Here's a good size.
- 1:08:24SPEAKER_01: This happens all the time.
- 1:08:25SPEAKER_01: Why do you do this?
- 1:08:27SPEAKER_01: Why did you wait?
- 1:08:28SPEAKER_01: Why did you wait till you fucking were winding the show down?
- 1:08:33SPEAKER_02: Dude, I had no place to be.
- 1:08:36SPEAKER_02: I have I get some I got some client work that starts in like an hour and a half.
- 1:08:40SPEAKER_02: I got nowhere to be, buddy.
- 1:08:42SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have lunch, go for a walk, I'm gonna I'm gonna put this show up for processing.
- 1:08:47SPEAKER_02: You know, you're winding us down, and then right before we leave, you just start telling people because I got nothing but time now.
- 1:08:58SPEAKER_01: You could have just said you could have just said, sounds good.
- 1:09:06SPEAKER_01: You could have just said sounds good, I'll run the sign up.
- 1:09:09SPEAKER_01: But now you go fuck it.
- 1:09:13SPEAKER_02: You go fuck it.
- 1:09:14SPEAKER_02: I don't give a fuck.
- 1:09:15SPEAKER_02: I just got laid off.
- 1:09:16SPEAKER_02: Alright, Tim.
- 1:09:17SPEAKER_02: Do you mind?
- 1:09:18SPEAKER_02: Do you want to talk?
- 1:09:19SPEAKER_02: Do you want me to cut it?
- 1:09:20SPEAKER_02: No.
- 1:09:23SPEAKER_02: Are you doing okay?
- 1:09:25SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
- 1:09:25SPEAKER_00: Couldn't be better.
- 1:09:27SPEAKER_02: You know, I guess I should.
- 1:09:28SPEAKER_02: We should at least introduce.
- 1:09:29SPEAKER_02: I know you're doing okay.
- 1:09:30SPEAKER_02: Now people are gonna say I'm a spy.
- 1:09:32SPEAKER_02: I've been kind of a dick to show, so people are gonna say, you know what I mean, a dick to you.
- 1:09:39SPEAKER_00: It's quite alright.
- 1:09:40SPEAKER_01: You're not seeing my morning cup show.
- 1:09:45SPEAKER_00: Doing fantastic, couldn't be better.
- 1:09:47SPEAKER_00: Less stress, less pressure, not dealing with any bullshit.
- 1:09:50SPEAKER_00: It's perfectly fine.
- 1:09:51SPEAKER_00: I got all kinds of other shit going on.
- 1:09:53SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, upheld technologies is fucking rolling.
- 1:09:55SPEAKER_02: Sturk Family Farms is rolling.
- 1:09:57SPEAKER_02: We just did a huge inventory batch on that.
- 1:09:59SPEAKER_02: Thirsty Vicaros is rolling, you know, splash it across your front desk.
- 1:10:02SPEAKER_02: Mahoney's got a merch drop coming.
- 1:10:04SPEAKER_02: Keep your eyes peeled for a sign-up link for our watch list or our watch party that's actually the illicit party that's September 9th.
- 1:10:11SPEAKER_02: You know, in the meantime, guys, yeah, it's about the players.
- 1:10:14SPEAKER_02: We have great players, we got a great team.
- 1:10:16SPEAKER_02: As Mahoney said, it's a privilege.
- 1:10:18SPEAKER_02: It's a great privilege to follow this team.
- 1:10:19SPEAKER_02: And the easiest example would be back-to-back gut wrenching losses followed by a 19-2 drubbing.
- 1:10:25SPEAKER_02: That's as big league as it gets.
- 1:10:26SPEAKER_02: It's like we know we lost those two games.
- 1:10:28SPEAKER_02: We got to bounce back.
- 1:10:29SPEAKER_02: They don't just bounce back, they win by two touchdowns in a field goal.
- 1:10:33SPEAKER_02: You know, like what do you what I'm out of words?
- 1:10:37SPEAKER_02: I'm out of words.
- 1:10:38SPEAKER_02: Uh, in the meantime, honey, you're people listen to the show.
- 1:10:41SPEAKER_02: What do you what type are you looking for work?
- 1:10:43SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not particularly.
- 1:10:44SPEAKER_00: If anyone, you know, just go nuts.
- 1:10:46SPEAKER_00: Send me a couple options if you feel like it, but no, I didn't think you were through the yeah, you got something cooking, right?
- 1:10:52SPEAKER_02: I thought there was something going.
- 1:10:54SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I'll pell is it, man.
- 1:10:55SPEAKER_00: That's my that's my full-time gig from here on out.
- 1:10:58SPEAKER_02: But if you do have if you do have something for Mahoney.
- 1:11:00SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, supplemental income contract work, I'm open.
- 1:11:03SPEAKER_02: Mostly, yeah, mostly commoditized.
- 1:11:05SPEAKER_02: So consider it, guys.
- 1:11:06SPEAKER_02: He's brokered and licensed and many things.
- 1:11:08SPEAKER_02: Uh, until next time, we'll be back on Friday.
- 1:11:10SPEAKER_02: Go back.