Latest / Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield / Can the Boks Make History at Eden Park? Women’s RWC Action & Viewer Q&A!

Transcript

Can the Boks Make History at Eden Park? Women’s RWC Action & Viewer Q&A! · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

• 0:00
  How good is this week? I haven't been excited by a game of rugby like this for a long, long time.
• 0:06
  What do you think Rusty's going to do, Victor?
• 0:09
  I think that aerial contest is going to be so important.
• 0:12
  So happy for our girls and I mean, you see that the emotion after that game,
• 0:16
  that's a big turn around for women's rugby and South Africa.
• 0:19
  How many Kiwi backs would make a rugby championship all-stars team?
• 0:24
  I'd put Bowden.
• 0:26
  You sure?
• 0:27
  Well, you can't even decide who your first five is,
• 0:29
  maybe at least we can.
• 0:36
  Right, welcome to Rivals and when you're talking about rivalry,
• 0:41
  that's what this week ends all about.
• 0:43
  The All Blacks versus South Africa at Eden Park.
• 0:47
  The Fortress. So it'll look at them.
• 0:50
  Look how excited they are.
• 0:52
  Oh, boys, go to the box down.
• 0:57
  I knew that I was going to come out early.
• 0:59
  Like, it doesn't honestly look at that, mate.
• 1:03
  Did you hand make that?
• 1:04
  It's a saying world champions, let's say.
• 1:07
  Yeah, it probably says it four times, like you do.
• 1:09
  It says world champions, like you do four times every show, Victor.
• 1:14
  I had the New Zealand fans are very happy to have four time world champions there.
• 1:20
  And you can't do it on it.
• 1:21
  It's a real cool.
• 1:23
  For the first time in a year,
• 1:24
  favorites, mate.
• 1:25
  World champions, your favorites.
• 1:27
  Your favorites.
• 1:28
  Can you both calm down?
• 1:29
  I can't calm down.
• 1:31
  Ricardo, how good is this week?
• 1:33
  I haven't been excited by a game of rugby,
• 1:36
  like this for a long, long time.
• 1:38
  It's amazing.
• 1:40
  It's so like there's so much at stake.
• 1:42
  It doesn't get much bigger than this, honestly.
• 1:45
  You know, we'll cut, yeah, Victor, we were both over there.
• 1:48
  And, you know, those quarter final games were great.
• 1:50
  The final was great, but this is amazing.
• 1:52
  This is like history.
• 1:53
  I'm worth it.
• 1:54
  So John Kerwin on this one.
• 1:57
  I think the bull that has been for so long,
• 2:00
  everyone's been waiting for this.
• 2:02
  I mean, this is a record that all blacks are really proud of.
• 2:08
  If these one team that can maybe come do it, maybe.
• 2:12
  I still think the all blacks are the favorite to defend their record.
• 2:16
  Then there's this team that's won everything that's come through so many things
• 2:24
  to be successful.
• 2:25
  And again, after that Australian loss,
• 2:28
  they had to go a bit back and have a look at themselves.
• 2:32
  And, yeah, let's see the base of the springboard question.
• 2:36
  I think that interesting thing for me, Victor,
• 2:40
  is I don't think both teams are in their best form at the moment,
• 2:44
  which makes it even more intriguing, you know.
• 2:47
  You saw the performance against Argentina,
• 2:53
  and we saw your performance against Australia, and the second test, you know,
• 2:58
  it was like a contrast, wasn't it?
• 3:00
  Like, we were pretty good in the first test, and the second test,
• 3:02
  Argentina got up and better.
• 3:03
  And I don't think either teams are actually on form.
• 3:08
  So I still think you guys are slight favorites.
• 3:12
  And I know that you're scared of being favorites,
• 3:15
  because you don't believe the team handles it.
• 3:17
  But, like, for me,
• 3:20
  it is just like the lineups are exciting.
• 3:23
  What are we going to do selection-wise?
• 3:24
  What are you guys going to do selection-wise?
• 3:26
  You know, like, for me, it's just like one of those weeks where you go,
• 3:30
  bring it on, just how quickly can we get to Saturday?
• 3:33
  Yeah, I think the whole week's going to be great.
• 3:35
  The ball's up, like you say.
• 3:37
  It's New Zealand going to stick with exactly the same side.
• 3:42
  They've played the last three, four games.
• 3:44
  The spring boxer has played around to the team.
• 3:46
  And they can make a few adjustments.
• 3:50
  They even brought a guy, like, far from the outside, all of a sudden.
• 3:53
  He can bring something different to a test match.
• 3:56
  I mean, he brings a lot of energy to any test match and to any team.
• 3:59
  Will they throw him in off the bench, maybe to breathe in something different for us?
• 4:05
  So, yeah, it's going to be great.
• 4:08
  But like we say, I think we all love history.
• 4:11
  And there's so much history between the All Blacks and the spring box.
• 4:16
  I mean, the All Blacks are really proud of the record that they've got at Eden Park.
• 4:20
  And I've said it a few times on the show.
• 4:22
  I've gone to this venue where we were the favourites.
• 4:25
  Peter, New Zealand, three times in a row going into it.
• 4:29
  Having the bulls and the stormers playing.
• 4:31
  Super at refining.
• 4:33
  Just thinking everything has gained great.
• 4:35
  And then we walked ourselves into a very motivated New Zealand team.
• 4:40
  And I actually think that was probably the start of that run for them to win the two World Cup
• 4:46
  back-to-back as well.
• 4:47
  So, yeah, it's going to be massive.
• 4:50
  I can't wait to see what Rossi's plans are, what's Razor going to do.
• 4:56
  So, yeah, it's great.
• 4:57
  And I think the risk that these for both teams, from both countries is just unbelievable as well.
• 5:04
  What do you think Rossi's going to do, Victor?
• 5:08
  It's interesting to, we need to see, we've got one or two injuries.
• 5:11
  So, Bungie's not there.
• 5:13
  He stayed behind.
• 5:16
  So, we'll probably see Malcolm Marks there.
• 5:18
  Atatete, I wonder if you'll go with Thomas Etouard again.
• 5:24
  Go for a long time or will he start with a walk of love and then bring on Thomas a bit later.
• 5:30
  We might even have to move Thomas to the Lucy as well.
• 5:33
  Second Ross is going to be a very interesting.
• 5:36
  I think Evan will be back in the starting lineup.
• 5:39
  It will be interesting if he goes for Louis the Yacht,
• 5:42
  who's the bigger, more experienced car or will he go for a run or care.
• 5:48
  I think he'll run or care every time he had an opportunity with just outstanding.
• 5:52
  He's almost like a Franco-Morsitz.
• 5:54
  He's got this big engine on him.
• 5:56
  He can run for days.
• 5:58
  He's always there.
• 6:00
  Very high work rate and at line-up time, I think he always comes up with a very good plan as well.
• 6:06
  So, that's going to be an interesting selection.
• 6:10
  Luckily, Peter Steph and CR's back in.
• 6:13
  So, it will be interesting to see
• 6:15
  Quachara, a very good game at eight starting, but we know his impact of the bench
• 6:22
  are preferring off the bench.
• 6:25
  But Jasper, Viser can still not go.
• 6:27
  So, that will be interesting.
• 6:29
  And then, 19.
• 6:30
  I can't see him not going with Andre polarity.
• 6:33
  I just can't see it.
• 6:35
  But he might still do it.
• 6:36
  Maybe he starts with Marnie, starts with open game and then bring Andre on.
• 6:41
  I don't know, but I don't think so.
• 6:42
  I think we'll go with Andre.
• 6:44
  We'll be conservative.
• 6:45
  So, in the background, we'll probably see pretty much the same faces that we used to.
• 6:50
  Isn't it interesting, though, Victor, that he's got so many options,
• 6:54
  so many decisions to make.
• 6:56
  You know, most international coaches, really, there's like 15, 18 players,
• 7:00
  that are going to likely start most test matches.
• 7:02
  But what's that advocate?
• 7:04
  You know, that's both a strength and is of the weakness,
• 7:06
  because it's hard to get those combinations and that cohesion going on.
• 7:10
  Well, I think it's a great point, Ricardo, and for me, the interesting thing is
• 7:18
  we spoke about this a couple of episodes ago.
• 7:21
  New Zealand doesn't really do the experiments like Russi's done, right?
• 7:27
  We stick with our players, but what happens is when you get in a situation like this,
• 7:31
  when you're coming off the loss to Argentina, it means that the guys haven't played.
• 7:38
  So, you know, what Victor's talking about is this internal competition,
• 7:43
  and most of those have played over the series, right?
• 7:46
  So, it's like, well, which one are you going to pick?
• 7:48
  Whereas, I think the dilemma for the All Blacks is,
• 7:52
  I won't say panic, because I don't think it's panic.
• 7:55
  So, do you stick with the same side?
• 7:57
  Or do you go, actually, I'm going to bring...
• 8:01
  I'm going to put...
• 8:02
  So, here are some of the choices that I think Razor's got to make.
• 8:05
  Do I put Rico back to centre?
• 8:13
  All right, putting him back to centre, he's our best-defending centre,
• 8:15
  and I think Proctor's going to be amazing,
• 8:18
  but I think it's South Africa, and I think he's still learning the trade at the next level.
• 8:24
  And if you're going to do that, what do you do on the wing?
• 8:26
  Do you actually bring in someone like, no, do you?
• 8:30
  Or do you give someone like Lee Roy Carter ago, who's incredibly fast, you know?
• 8:36
  So, in the midfield, you put those two guys back together.
• 8:38
  I think, Krista, we've got a lot of injuries at Half-Ex,
• 8:40
  I think Krista starts with Barrett.
• 8:42
  And then, number eight, I don't think they'll back up with the young guy.
• 8:46
  I think they'll go back to Satiti, Viand, and Adi at seven.
• 8:54
  I think you've sort of got to go there.
• 8:56
  And then, I think the locking combination will stay the same in the front.
• 9:00
  You see, Vi is working on the Blindside Flanker.
• 9:04
  Won't it be better to move him back to second row?
• 9:06
  Well, for who?
• 9:09
  That's trouble.
• 9:13
  Well, that's your options.
• 9:16
  But we haven't seen too much of the other guys at Loose Forward.
• 9:23
  So, what do you do there?
• 9:26
  And so, for me, Holland has been a revelation.
• 9:31
  And I just think he was a bit, I think he was a bit overplayed.
• 9:34
  So, he got a bit tired towards the end of the Argentinian test,
• 9:37
  but he's had a bit of time to refresh.
• 9:39
  So, we need big bodies against you guys, right?
• 9:42
  We need big bodies.
• 9:44
  And that's where I think, and you would have played them,
• 9:47
  you know, Rochelleck and Whitelock, that combination there,
• 9:49
  they were big men, right?
• 9:51
  So, we had big men against big men.
• 9:54
  And I think that's important.
• 9:55
  So, you know, Holland's a big body.
• 9:57
  He's going to move bodies.
• 9:58
  He's going to do stuff like that.
• 10:00
  But for me, the selection is not, or who's playing best.
• 10:03
  It's, oh, wow, am I going to take a risk
• 10:05
  in putting someone new out there and change some combinations?
• 10:08
  Or is he just going to go, actually, it was a one-off.
• 10:12
  So, I'm just going to stick with the side that started.
• 10:15
  But if we don't sort our high ball kick out,
• 10:18
  our infield tactical kicking, you know,
• 10:22
  the first thing that South Africa is going to do
• 10:24
  is going to go to that high ball.
• 10:26
  And we need to catch it, right?
• 10:27
  So, yeah, it's actually recorders.
• 10:30
  For me, as well, I watch that, it's Southlands versus
• 10:34
  Waikato game on Saturday morning.
• 10:36
  So, I think New Zealand do have just as much talent as we do.
• 10:40
  It's just they don't get the opportunity to play.
• 10:43
  I think Gracie has started something here.
• 10:46
  We give his guys the opportunity.
• 10:48
  And he backs him to being in the number one team.
• 10:50
  Doesn't matter if we put out there,
• 10:52
  he'll be 15 changes, but he backs him as number one.
• 10:56
  And he just, he doesn't racely say his first 15 plays all over.
• 11:01
  He's just mixing and maxing and matching
• 11:03
  and giving everyone opportunities and telling them,
• 11:06
  listen, if you play you, the number one springboard.
• 11:08
  You know the standard.
• 11:10
  And I think that gave a lot of guys confidence to play at this level.
• 11:13
  But, yeah, watching that Southland game versus
• 11:17
  he said, there was a 12-centre from Southland
• 11:20
  that was just killing everyone and not thinking,
• 11:23
  why haven't we seen him playing all black jersey yet?
• 11:26
  I understand.
• 11:27
  And I mean, that's just about the culture
• 11:30
  that Razer just got at the moment.
• 11:33
  We doesn't really give taste capture.
• 11:36
  Why?
• 11:37
  Gracie decided, listen, I'm going to give guys opportunity.
• 11:39
  I'm going to let him be comfortable at this level.
• 11:42
  And let him believe when they play,
• 11:44
  they're the number one choice.
• 11:46
  But I think the talent for us in New Zealand this day
• 11:49
  is just we've given a lot more players opportunity at this stage.
• 11:53
  To give you an idea how long ago it is
• 11:55
  since the All Blacks lost it even park.
• 11:58
  JK, you actually played in that game.
• 12:02
  I knew you were going to bring that up, mate.
• 12:04
  I knew that I just knew.
• 12:06
  I just knew you were going to bring that up.
• 12:09
  Yeah, I also, my last game for New Zealand was a 19-all draw
• 12:13
  against South Africa.
• 12:15
  So that we lost Andrew.
• 12:18
  And so for me,
• 12:21
  you know, France were one of those unstoppable moves that day.
• 12:24
  It was incredible.
• 12:24
  They were really incredible.
• 12:26
  It was like chasing shadows at times.
• 12:29
  And we were, you know, I think those years,
• 12:32
  too, we hadn't settled on a football team,
• 12:34
  or Laurie hadn't settled on a football team.
• 12:37
  And he made a lot of changes in that year.
• 12:39
  So not dissimilar to what, sort of,
• 12:42
  Russ is doing more guys with getting opportunities.
• 12:46
  Yeah, but it's been an amazing record.
• 12:48
  And that, that actually adds to the week,
• 12:52
  because 1990 as a player,
• 12:56
  how can a ground make a difference?
• 12:59
  You know, like, you play the lot of Eden Park JK.
• 13:02
  So how does it make a difference?
• 13:03
  Why are the All Blacks so good there?
• 13:06
  You travel a lot, Ricardo.
• 13:07
  What's the light getting home to your own bed?
• 13:11
  Yeah, I can sleep on the couch.
• 13:13
  Most of the All Blacks are normally crusaders, I think.
• 13:15
  Why are they so good there?
• 13:17
  In Auckland.
• 13:18
  Victor, you don't need to throw that parochial stuff in, right?
• 13:21
  You don't need to wind me up this early in the piece.
• 13:24
  Come on, mate.
• 13:25
  Give me the answer, JK.
• 13:27
  Yeah, no, so I did actually answer my own way, Ricardo.
• 13:30
  You know, if you ever traveled and you've been away for a few weeks,
• 13:33
  you can't get wait,
• 13:34
  can't wait to get home to your own bed.
• 13:36
  And that's what Eden Park's like for the All Blacks.
• 13:38
  It's our home ground and it's somewhere where we feel comfortable.
• 13:43
  It's our biggest stadium.
• 13:44
  We have the crowd behind us.
• 13:46
  You sit in the seat where you always did.
• 13:51
  And I think it's a positive motivation, you know?
• 13:56
  Like when the All Blacks go to Wales,
• 13:57
  we always stop on the seventh bridge.
• 13:59
  Don't we, Ricardo?
• 14:00
  When you remember that, when you were All Black media manager,
• 14:03
  we always stop halfway across the bridge
• 14:05
  and say you never lose here, right?
• 14:08
  There are traditions that are amazing to grow
• 14:11
  and amazing to have behind you.
• 14:13
  So it helps your motivation and helps your week
• 14:16
  and being comfortable in a ground.
• 14:20
  Because the South Africans will be feeling that.
• 14:22
  They'll be feeling it'll add to the pressure of their week.
• 14:26
  Not only will they want to beat the All Blacks,
• 14:27
  but they'd love to, I mean,
• 14:29
  Victor would be smiling for a week.
• 14:31
  I probably won't turn up next week
• 14:34
  because as a player, something you would have absolutely loved, right?
• 14:37
  You would have loved to take in that scalp.
• 14:39
  It's like going to took him and winning.
• 14:41
  You know, they're just things in the game
• 14:42
  that you just, as players,
• 14:44
  just give you that extra, extra motivation and extra week.
• 14:48
  So Victor, tell me what South Africa's game plan
• 14:51
  to beat the All Blacks of Eden Park?
• 14:53
  Well, I think like J.K. I said earlier,
• 14:56
  I don't think any of the two teams
• 14:59
  is as comfortable as they would want it
• 15:03
  to be going to the stage match.
• 15:05
  I think that Australia losses put us back a little bit.
• 15:09
  But again, I think this is all going to be about that mindset,
• 15:14
  about achieving something.
• 15:16
  No one has achieved in South Africa for a very long time.
• 15:19
  And you get external motivation.
• 15:21
  And sometimes you need that.
• 15:22
  If you've been in a team
• 15:24
  that's been so successful as one so many things,
• 15:28
  sometimes you just need that extra motivation.
• 15:30
  And I mean, this is it.
• 15:32
  This is definitely it.
• 15:33
  Now we need to make a plan.
• 15:35
  Now we're going to do it.
• 15:36
  I will beat New Zealand.
• 15:37
  Can we outplay ball in hand?
• 15:40
  Maybe not.
• 15:40
  Maybe we can.
• 15:41
  Or are we going back to the old South Africa DNA,
• 15:45
  put them under pressure, back our forwards,
• 15:49
  great kicking game?
• 15:50
  I think that aerial contests
• 15:52
  is going to be so important.
• 15:54
  Are we going to, we will let it go to that.
• 15:56
  And then from there,
• 15:58
  we'll open it up and let the guys go
• 16:00
  and try and play from turn over.
• 16:02
  So I think we'll probably see
• 16:04
  much the same as we've seen
• 16:06
  against Australia in that second test match.
• 16:10
  For you, JK, what did the all blacks,
• 16:11
  what's the all blacks game plan,
• 16:13
  the beats out of Africa?
• 16:15
  So the game plan that we had
• 16:16
  in the World Cup final and the game plan
• 16:18
  that we had for the two tests last year in South Africa,
• 16:21
  I thought was perfect, right?
• 16:23
  So obviously you've got to win your set pieces
• 16:27
  and that's a given.
• 16:28
  But what we did last year is we had this
• 16:30
  incredibly fast game plan.
• 16:32
  And I think it was really working.
• 16:33
  What happened in the critical moments
• 16:36
  is we got a bit loose and we gave away
• 16:38
  some penalties and South Africa came back
• 16:40
  with the DNA kicked us to the corners.
• 16:42
  So for me, I reckon a high game plan,
• 16:46
  I think in the World Cup and the second half,
• 16:48
  we probably lost a little bit of nerve
• 16:50
  around throwing it around,
• 16:51
  especially when the, you know,
• 16:52
  especially when the bomb squad comes on.
• 16:54
  So for me, a really fast game plan,
• 16:56
  get them running early,
• 16:57
  get them going across the field,
• 16:59
  our kicking games incredible,
• 17:00
  but should be a turn in kicking game,
• 17:03
  where it's on the ground,
• 17:04
  in behind South Africa,
• 17:06
  the fullback eyes, that's come forward,
• 17:07
  we're rushing on to stuff,
• 17:09
  trying to create some fumbles.
• 17:11
  And we need to keep that intensity up
• 17:12
  and then we need to have confidence in that
• 17:14
  in the second half and win the critical moments, right?
• 17:18
  You've got to win those critical moments
• 17:20
  because we know exactly
• 17:22
  what South Africa would do in the second half.
• 17:24
  And we can't let them settle down into that game.
• 17:27
  We've got to keep them off their game
• 17:29
  all for the 80 minutes.
• 17:31
  And so it makes for an exciting game, right?
• 17:33
  And just getting back to what Victor said,
• 17:35
  I think we will know,
• 17:37
  I mean, the players will already know,
• 17:38
  but the team will be named on Thursday.
• 17:41
  Who the South African number tenors
• 17:44
  will be very much the sign on what sort of game
• 17:47
  they're going to play, right?
• 17:49
  And I'm with you, I think,
• 17:50
  you know, the problem will be selected.
• 17:53
  And that means they will play hopefully,
• 17:56
  I believe, a combination of that South African DNA,
• 17:59
  but they'll play a little bit more rugby
• 18:02
  than normal, I believe.
• 18:03
  Yeah, it also depends who's on 15.
• 18:05
  I think it's very, very rare to see.
• 18:11
  You always brings that attack out of 100,
• 18:13
  for all of this communication.
• 18:16
  I do like Fassia's 15.
• 18:18
  He's so good under the high ball.
• 18:21
  But again, I don't think South Africa
• 18:24
  will worry too much if New Zealand go that white white.
• 18:26
  With our, I still haven't seen anyone play around
• 18:29
  or rush to things.
• 18:31
  I think what's more dangerous for us is
• 18:34
  if they go get momentum with some big,
• 18:37
  and I mean,
• 18:39
  Audi is a great career.
• 18:40
  So Titi last year against us were unbelievable.
• 18:43
  So they start getting momentum with those forwards.
• 18:45
  And then the clevers, almost like you say,
• 18:47
  turning kicking go,
• 18:49
  where it's kicked for the wings,
• 18:50
  kicking behind us,
• 18:52
  make us turn.
• 18:53
  I think that can put us under pressure.
• 18:55
  I still don't think New Zealand
• 18:57
  know exactly how to play ball in hand
• 19:01
  against this rush to things.
• 19:03
  So this is a game that's going to happen.
• 19:06
  But the will cut, the women's will cups on at the moment.
• 19:08
  And there's been some amazing games.
• 19:10
  And South Africa winning today against Italy,
• 19:13
  which is a huge turnaround for South African women's rugby.
• 19:17
  And then obviously the Black Furns,
• 19:19
  you know, a strong win against Japan,
• 19:21
  but still some work required.
• 19:22
  But a tremendous performance by Porsche.
• 19:26
  Yeah, I'm unbelievable.
• 19:27
  So she has the top New Zealand Tri-Score
• 19:30
  with 50 test tries.
• 19:31
  She's amazing.
• 19:32
  I love her.
• 19:32
  I thought a few years ago,
• 19:34
  you know, she was the best wing
• 19:36
  across both male and female.
• 19:38
  I just loved the way she plays.
• 19:40
  Yeah, what I watched the Japanese game.
• 19:42
  And I think, you know, New Zealand started really poorly.
• 19:45
  They gave away about four or five penalties.
• 19:47
  Japanese scored first.
• 19:48
  There was a couple of technical things.
• 19:50
  Like, I think there was seven or eight penalties
• 19:52
  in the first 20 minutes, right?
• 19:54
  And they were, I think when they were hitting the racket,
• 19:57
  it looked like they were like closing it off a bit.
• 20:00
  But then once they got into their stride
• 20:02
  and then in the second half, you know,
• 20:03
  when you look at a Japanese side,
• 20:07
  they were very good,
• 20:08
  but they scored a lot of points.
• 20:10
  And I don't think as you get further down the tournament,
• 20:13
  they will be able to do the mistakes
• 20:16
  that they did against Japan.
• 20:17
  But it was a great win, great, great Porsche.
• 20:19
  I mean, it makes the, it makes the next game an important one.
• 20:23
  You know, they've got, they've got through,
• 20:24
  but it'll, it'll decide which side of the draw you play.
• 20:28
  So that's going to be really interesting.
• 20:30
  Is it getting attention?
• 20:31
  And so they ever get a victory?
• 20:33
  Yeah, it's getting, it's getting much more than a year or two ago.
• 20:37
  And I mean, if you saw the interviews
• 20:40
  after how emotional we both were,
• 20:43
  it's, I'm just unbelievable.
• 20:45
  That Libby Young's a foreign spoof,
• 20:47
  but to a man of the match, he jumps with me as well.
• 20:49
  I mean, she's been so passionate about women's record for a long time.
• 20:54
  And yeah, to see them go out there,
• 20:57
  make the quarter finals, it's unbelievable.
• 20:59
  I think that was the aim,
• 21:01
  but hopefully they can say to each other now,
• 21:03
  let's try and upset someone.
• 21:05
  Let's see if we can go one step further.
• 21:09
  Again, Swaster Brain moving the team around a bit in the loss.
• 21:14
  Few weeks we had to rehearse,
• 21:16
  we played 15 at 10, and we had Libby at 12.
• 21:19
  And these two are main plane makers.
• 21:21
  And this week he moved him back to their regional positions
• 21:24
  with Libby at 10 and rehearse at 15.
• 21:26
  We are, I think, wrists do have more space.
• 21:29
  And we've seen in the seven Skymas watch,
• 21:32
  it's very dangerous, it's this, it's into space.
• 21:36
  So, so happy for our girls.
• 21:39
  And I mean, to see that emotion after that game,
• 21:42
  now they went around the park, sang together,
• 21:46
  dance together, it's just unbelievable.
• 21:48
  I mean, that's a big turn around for women's record.
• 21:52
  So that's okay.
• 21:53
  I mean, that's, that's already a big upset.
• 21:54
  Victor, I watched the,
• 21:56
  I mean, the Italians would be disappointed.
• 21:58
  They'll be disappointed with the tournament so far.
• 22:00
  I watched the Italian French game,
• 22:03
  and there was some really good,
• 22:05
  some really good rugby in that as well.
• 22:07
  France won it.
• 22:09
  So it'll be disappointed,
• 22:10
  but that's a massive win from the rankings side of things.
• 22:13
  And it makes them incredibly dangerous.
• 22:15
  If they get some confidence,
• 22:17
  you know, they've got nothing to lose.
• 22:18
  They've probably had a great tournament.
• 22:19
  So, you know, go through and who cares?
• 22:23
  You know, the pressure's off,
• 22:25
  and you can just really play for it.
• 22:26
  It's been, I think it's good for them
• 22:28
  in terms of how many people have showed up at the games,
• 22:30
  the support of the teams.
• 22:31
  But there was a beautiful moment where
• 22:33
  your Englander are looking
• 22:34
  and pretty an ominous form at home.
• 22:37
  But, and they ran over the top of Samoa,
• 22:40
  which was expected.
• 22:42
  But then Ramsey Tomokino that, you know,
• 22:44
  that we know J.K.
• 22:46
  speaking after match press conference,
• 22:47
  he just broke down on tears.
• 22:49
  He was just saying that this is just such an incredible
• 22:52
  opportunity for his, for his woman
• 22:55
  that are playing for the Samoa team.
• 22:56
  They may have lost a billion to three, I think.
• 22:58
  They scored their first points.
• 23:00
  But just for them to get the chance
• 23:03
  to get off the bus, to be chaired by the crowd,
• 23:05
  to play in front of all those people
• 23:07
  was just an amazing, amazing occasion.
• 23:09
  And sometimes you forget about those things in the World Cup.
• 23:13
  It was like Portugal in the last World Cup, you know.
• 23:18
  Coach Bipax, let's say, like, how good were they?
• 23:22
  And so, especially when the, when the female
• 23:25
  gamers in growth, like these World Cups,
• 23:28
  just expedite its growth.
• 23:30
  And you have young women in the crowds going,
• 23:32
  I can do that, you know.
• 23:34
  It's also great for, you know,
• 23:36
  you've got netball in your family, Victor.
• 23:39
  You know, your girls play netball.
• 23:40
  And so, when they see a pathway,
• 23:43
  the cross talent that they can take from netball to rugby,
• 23:47
  I mean, a lot of the woman sports over here
• 23:50
  have, rugby's a real threat,
• 23:52
  because you're on the world stage.
• 23:53
  You've got a world cup, you know.
• 23:54
  And if you're a sprinter or you're a netball player,
• 23:57
  then you can cross those skills over.
• 24:01
  So, it's amazing.
• 24:02
  And the English, I believe, an incredible squad, right?
• 24:06
  And they're still hurting from the last World Cup.
• 24:09
  But the way the English public are actually
• 24:11
  supporting it is awesome as well.
• 24:12
  What the most important thing for me is,
• 24:14
  how do we galvanize that?
• 24:16
  How do we galvanize that enthusiasm
• 24:19
  and create a new sector for our female game?
• 24:23
  You know, new sponsors, new way they want to play,
• 24:26
  new stadium types and stuff like that.
• 24:29
  So, I don't think we should look at the female game,
• 24:32
  like we look at the male game, you know.
• 24:34
  I think the crowds are amazing.
• 24:36
  You know, I love seeing dads there with their daughters.
• 24:39
  So, how do we galvanize that once again after this World Cup?
• 24:44
  Because I don't know if it was galvanized
• 24:47
  as it should have been after the New Zealand World Cup.
• 24:50
  I think we went down a traditional path,
• 24:52
  whereas I think we need to look at the female game differently.
• 24:55
  From a competition point of view,
• 24:57
  from an audience point of view,
• 25:00
  from an entertainment point of view.
• 25:01
  But the English are showing that, you know,
• 25:03
  if you get that product right, they'll turn up.
• 25:08
  You know, what you're trying to say is humility
• 25:11
  that comes in on the show,
• 25:12
  but not mentioning the fact that we won the last World Cup.
• 25:15
  You know, it's not even,
• 25:17
  it's not even something we've discussed in the show.
• 25:19
  It's not even something we're talking about at the moment,
• 25:21
  the fact that we won that World Cup.
• 25:23
  And we haven't even mentioned it.
• 25:24
  That's how humble we are as a nation.
• 25:26
  So, you know, well done New Zealand.
• 25:28
  I've got some questions here.
• 25:30
  So, we've had some...
• 25:31
  Quickly, absolutely.
• 25:33
  We've got to... Just maybe on that.
• 25:34
  I think this World Cup for us,
• 25:36
  as well, South Africa, is so important.
• 25:38
  Just because we need women's rugby
• 25:41
  to grow ground level.
• 25:43
  And to see how girls go out there,
• 25:46
  to see the crowds.
• 25:47
  It's there.
• 25:48
  All of the sudden, girls were like,
• 25:49
  jk say,
• 25:50
  say, listen, we can bat this stage.
• 25:52
  This is an opportunity for us to do something special.
• 25:54
  So, I think this World Cup is going to
• 25:58
  mean a lot too, so that's going to actually women's rugby.
• 26:01
  That's the World Cup that New Zealand won last time.
• 26:04
  So, some questions from the audience, from the viewers.
• 26:09
  So, the first question is from someone on Instagram
• 26:12
  called Nick Dance's Tango.
• 26:14
  And he's wondering where the jk has the receipt for his glasses,
• 26:17
  so he can get his money back.
• 26:18
  So, just if you've got the receipt for those glasses.
• 26:21
  No.
• 26:23
  What was that Tango, guys?
• 26:24
  No, what was his name?
• 26:25
  Nick Dance's Tango.
• 26:27
  Nick, send me your address, mate.
• 26:30
  I'll get your, no, send me a photo.
• 26:31
  I'll get your face sent to my people.
• 26:33
  And we can hook you up with a pair of glasses.
• 26:35
  And mate, people will be asking you to Tango, brother.
• 26:41
  Right, here's one from one of our YouTube followers.
• 26:46
  Talking about New Zealand.
• 26:47
  When did New Zealand go away from running rugby?
• 26:50
  What about this crazy box kicking game?
• 26:52
  It's taken over.
• 26:53
  Can we get back to running rugby jk?
• 26:57
  So, the answer is no.
• 26:58
  The tactical kicking game is fundamental now.
• 27:02
  Like, you can't, what the defences like Victor said.
• 27:06
  So, they've got to have a closing the cake defense.
• 27:08
  They'll stop for you.
• 27:09
  The line speeds are incredible.
• 27:11
  You know, when you're playing big men, they slow the rack up.
• 27:14
  So, the line speeds twice as fast.
• 27:16
  If you don't have a good kicking game,
• 27:18
  it's actually, you're not going to achieve much at all.
• 27:22
  So, it's actually finding an attacking kicking game.
• 27:25
  So, you can get territory.
• 27:27
  So, you can create pressure, right?
• 27:28
  So, you can't just play this attacking game anymore.
• 27:31
  If we change some of the rules, that might happen,
• 27:33
  but that's not the case, right?
• 27:35
  So, you've got to find this balance between
• 27:38
  making sure you're getting, you know,
• 27:40
  and often what you'll see with teams is they'll try for three rucks in their own hub.
• 27:44
  So, that figure is very good at this.
• 27:46
  They'll try for three rucks.
• 27:47
  And if they can't get over their balance line,
• 27:48
  they're not put a tactical kicking.
• 27:50
  Because you're just bashing into a defensive line
• 27:52
  and risking in your own half,
• 27:55
  turning the ball over.
• 27:56
  So, I think it's what New Zealand needs to find
• 27:59
  is a fast game plan that has a combination of a great kicking game.
• 28:02
  And when I talk about an attacking kicking game,
• 28:05
  you know, it's what I call a kick pass.
• 28:07
  So, your first five's kicking across to your wing.
• 28:09
  And what happens is you have to manipulate the defense.
• 28:12
  So, early in the game, if you do a little chip kick
• 28:14
  in behind, South Africa,
• 28:16
  ideally in the next time they want to rush off the line,
• 28:19
  they might think twice about it, you know.
• 28:21
  If you kick wide, then the winger who's been told to tuck the photos center
• 28:25
  will then creep a bit wider,
• 28:27
  because he doesn't want his opposite wing to catch that ball.
• 28:29
  Once he goes wide,
• 28:31
  then you should be attacking that space.
• 28:33
  So, those tactical kicking games are all about how you attack.
• 28:36
  So, the answer is, I see kicking as part of attack, right?
• 28:43
  But you can't just play this expensive game anymore.
• 28:46
  I didn't come in there, Ricardo.
• 28:48
  I think as long as Jacob.
• 28:50
  So, attacking kicking out was so important these days.
• 28:52
  And I don't know who asked the question,
• 28:55
  but what they also must look at is the attack that's coming
• 28:59
  after the botskiks.
• 29:00
  Whenever they, these balls on the ground, those scraps,
• 29:03
  we were always told who's winning those scraps.
• 29:06
  Most of the time, the people that win those scraps
• 29:08
  with balls on the ground,
• 29:10
  that's where their attack comes from.
• 29:11
  And that's where you want, of course, it's broken field.
• 29:14
  There's no organized offense,
• 29:16
  and that's when you want your attack to kick in.
• 29:19
  So, it's all about the right time.
• 29:21
  When you've got, like, Jacob is saying,
• 29:22
  when you've got one or two slow rock balls,
• 29:25
  these days the fences are just too good to attack from there.
• 29:27
  So, it's almost said peace first phase,
• 29:30
  or then after two, three,
• 29:31
  you can rather kick it,
• 29:33
  try getting into that until you get broken field off of kick
• 29:36
  and that's when you want to attack as well.
• 29:38
  Okay, we've got a well-balanced audience.
• 29:40
  Champagne Rugby's asking,
• 29:41
  what is the favourite thing to throw on the briy, Dr?
• 29:45
  Favourite thing to throw on the briy?
• 29:48
  So, my favourite thing is probably a Skullpikey.
• 29:52
  I don't know if you guys know it's a Skullpikey.
• 29:55
  The hell is a Skullpikey?
• 29:57
  It's liver,
• 29:59
  and with fat around it.
• 30:02
  And it's just beautiful.
• 30:04
  So, you've mostly as a starter,
• 30:06
  so you don't have little Skullpikey,
• 30:08
  with a bit of pup,
• 30:10
  maize,
• 30:11
  and then after you can have the chops and the steak
• 30:13
  and everything coming,
• 30:15
  but that Skullpikey is,
• 30:17
  I'll make you some when you come to South Africa, boys.
• 30:20
  I love liver.
• 30:22
  Yeah, liver with an edge seat.
• 30:24
  I think it's an edge sheet that they call it.
• 30:26
  So, yeah, it's beautiful.
• 30:28
  Right now for UJK,
• 30:30
  a question from Cameron 2179 from YouTube.
• 30:33
  How many Kiwibacks would make a
• 30:35
  rugby championship all-stars team?
• 30:38
  How do they all backline?
• 30:40
  Who would you put in that all-stars?
• 30:44
  I'd put Bowden.
• 30:47
  I'd put...
• 30:52
  I'll say a bit loud, I'd put Bowden.
• 30:55
  You sure?
• 30:57
  Well, you can't even decide who your first five is,
• 30:59
  mate, at least we can.
• 31:01
  You know?
• 31:01
  Like, we've got Bowden.
• 31:06
  I will Jordan.
• 31:08
  I'd definitely put in.
• 31:09
  You haven't said, well, we see you all Jordan
• 31:11
  in the ring this weekend.
• 31:13
  I think that's a great question, Victor.
• 31:14
  It's a great, great question.
• 31:19
  I think that's a possibility.
• 31:20
  I think that's a real possibility, you know?
• 31:25
  And I think, if you think about the high balls,
• 31:28
  sorry to divert from your question for the viewer, Ricardo,
• 31:32
  but, you know, we have to have possibly three fullbacks
• 31:37
  playing because it's going to be a bombardment, right?
• 31:39
  So, we're on the wing.
• 31:42
  Yeah, that's a real possibility, Eric.
• 31:44
  Well, Victor, what South Africans would be in the rugby championship best backline?
• 31:50
  Backline.
• 31:52
  You got ideas behind you.
• 31:54
  Andre Paulard.
• 31:57
  James Linde.
• 31:59
  I'm just going to pick the whole backline.
• 32:01
  I just know, Victor, like, that's, that's everyone.
• 32:05
  I'll keep Walter put in there and go into his team.
• 32:10
  Brilliant.
• 32:11
  All right, now here's another question along the same lines.
• 32:13
  If this is why I love South Africans, this is why I love South Africans,
• 32:16
  like, I just love that you've mentioned four times the word,
• 32:19
  that you're four times World Cup champions.
• 32:21
  And when you ask a South African for the best side,
• 32:23
  they're just going to name their tank, right?
• 32:26
  Because if you didn't, also your mates don't,
• 32:27
  can you invite you to the briar and eat that liver stuff?
• 32:30
  Yeah, I won't be invited.
• 32:33
  Victor, the last question goes to you from Kenny Dell.
• 32:36
  On the scale of one to absolutely not,
• 32:40
  how often do you actually understand what JK is talking about?
• 32:45
  Yeah, I've been in the last six weeks.
• 32:49
  It was maybe once or twice weeks, but some things.
• 32:53
  At some states, after,
• 32:55
  Kirby gave him a little bit of info into the game.
• 32:59
  So there's some things sometimes.
• 33:03
  Yeah, obviously, Kirby's still waiting in the reception
• 33:06
  and I haven't let him in.
• 33:09
  After last week, after last week,
• 33:12
  he's talking like, come on mate.
• 33:15
  How do you help?
• 33:17
  You know, I mean, obviously we're all building up to the game.
• 33:20
  I think we should have a call after the game
• 33:23
  between the two of you just to see.
• 33:25
  Because one of you is going to be really happy
• 33:26
  and one of them is going to be really sad.
• 33:28
  And I just, I'm, yeah, so we'll see that.
• 33:31
  We'll post it up on our channel.
• 33:34
  You know, it's a pressure on this game.
• 33:36
  I don't like it.
• 33:39
  You don't like it.
• 33:39
  Just for that, it's a pressure on the game.
• 33:42
  It's like putting a million round or something on the game.
• 33:45
  It's cool afterwards it's going to be so bad.
• 33:48
  So a million round, that's like 20 bucks, eh?
• 33:50
  Like 20, he used, or yeah, New Zealand's other.
• 33:55
  So from the moment this game came out on the schedule,
• 33:57
  he runs, been looking forward to it.
• 33:58
  And that's finally arrived.
• 34:01
  So we're looking forward to it.
• 34:02
  It's going to be a hell of a game.
• 34:04
  And it's going to be a hell of a phone call afterwards
• 34:06
  and a hell of a show next week.
• 34:08
  So looking forward to it.
• 34:09
  Thanks for your time.
• 34:10
  This is Rivals.
• 34:11
  Thanks for coming.
• 34:13
  Well, the people out there enjoy it.
• 34:14
  This is a great week.