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Ed Sheeran Gets Personal w/ Charlamagne Tha God · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Tell us where we are right now. We are in
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Speaker 1: my treehouse. This is a treehouse. You got a treehouse studio. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is where I made Divide and where I now
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Speaker 1: do all my sort of work. While while we're here,
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Speaker 1: let me play. Let me play some number five. Number five,
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Speaker 1: number five. That was your original Alboration project. Yeah, two
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Speaker 1: thousand and oh god, I want to say ten, but
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Speaker 1: it actually came out first week of two thousand and eleven.
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Speaker 1: So this is before like you were popping, piping. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is actually what what made me pop. How do
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Speaker 1: you think I do you think that ship held up?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's still one of It's still one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite projects I've done. Okay, I play. I played
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Speaker 1: one another one from the top, and that's the project
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Speaker 1: that got you signed. Number five. Yeah, well I did.
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Speaker 1: I basically did five vps before I got signed, And
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Speaker 1: because I did, I did. I was into so much stuff,
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Speaker 1: much much like with the project here there was. I
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Speaker 1: was inplumed by so much stuff. So I had one
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Speaker 1: record that I just did fully with the bands. The
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Speaker 1: next record was like what my first album pretty much
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Speaker 1: ended up being. And then I did one that was
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Speaker 1: just completely acoustic that was all written with this one
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Speaker 1: girl as a duet, and then I did a live
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Speaker 1: DVD and a live album, all of those, and then
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Speaker 1: I did this. So this was number five of the EPs,
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Speaker 1: and it was kind of like the momentum of all
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Speaker 1: of those that ended up getting me signed was it
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Speaker 1: was your thought prices the same when you made number five,
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Speaker 1: like you're just gonna work with artists that. Yeah, back then,
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Speaker 1: you can only get the artists you could get because
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Speaker 1: you wasn't like no, no, because no, because at this
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Speaker 1: at this point, Evelyn and Wiley, P Money, Jamie Marcha, Payne,
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Speaker 1: Gets Random, Impulse, Way Wretch, Dot Rotten, they were all
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Speaker 1: top of their game, like and it was like I
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Speaker 1: actually had to like do a lot of convincing because
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Speaker 1: I was quite you know, I was a new new artist.
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Speaker 1: But what I do is I just turn up at
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Speaker 1: like the studio with them, and then I was just persistent.
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Speaker 1: It was just like, we have to do a song,
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Speaker 1: we have to do a song, we have to do
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Speaker 1: a song, and then made it, made it happen. You
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Speaker 1: had a DJ Coward level of annoyance. Yeah, But I
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Speaker 1: think I've had that same thing on this one. Number six,
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Speaker 1: just because you have to be persistent, you have to
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Speaker 1: be on people to make it, to make it happen.
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Speaker 1: So what so this one got you signed? Or do
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Speaker 1: you hope this project though the number six? What do
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Speaker 1: you hope number six does for you? When I made this,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't want to be. It wasn't like
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get signed by making this. I made
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Speaker 1: this because it was so much fun to make, and
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Speaker 1: it was all all the artists I wanted to work with,
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Speaker 1: and I made these songs that I was just so
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Speaker 1: proud to play my friends. And it's pretty much the
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Speaker 1: same with this one. If I was like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: it's going to help me do this and help me
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Speaker 1: do this, the fact is I've like I've already achieved
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Speaker 1: more than I thought I could, so right, and now
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Speaker 1: I'm at a point where I'm just having fun. You're
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Speaker 1: not as Sharon two kings a part Why the hell
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Speaker 1: y'all did a rock record because exactly that exactly. I
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Speaker 1: think people do not expect that any time I play
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Speaker 1: that to anyone. The first called the first instantly, people
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Speaker 1: go instantly. And I love that. I love that we'll
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Speaker 1: kind of rocky of the school meal with the heavy metal.
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Speaker 1: I think it would just be rock, classic rock, classic rock.
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Speaker 1: I mean we did loads of songs and loads of
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Speaker 1: different things, but we ended up on that song. And
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Speaker 1: it was purely by by by accident with having Chris
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Speaker 1: Stapleton and he just seemed the most interesting. So nobody said, hey,
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Speaker 1: we should do a rock song. It was just no, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean Chris, Chris had the riff. Chris was there
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Speaker 1: and then what was it? And he had he played
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Speaker 1: it's the riff, which is and then we were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: let's let's write write a song about that. Bruno took
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Speaker 1: it away and unbeknownst to me, him and Chris had
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Speaker 1: got together and fun with it a lot. Throughout throughout
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Speaker 1: my whole career, I've never had an excuse to get
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Speaker 1: a band, And now that's an excuse to maybe tour
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Speaker 1: with the bands, because I think play playing that live
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Speaker 1: would be different level. I've seen you live a couple
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Speaker 1: of times. That wouldn't be difficult for you on stage
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Speaker 1: with just the guitar. You think you can pull it off.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I had an idea to do both. I
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Speaker 1: think you know, people like my loop pedal and no
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Speaker 1: one's seen with a band, and I think you could
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Speaker 1: have a show that incorporate I think it's time to
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Speaker 1: have a show that incorporates both of them personally. I
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Speaker 1: want to be normal Bruner because I feel like y'all
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Speaker 1: have had a similar payers. I remember Bruno in twenty ten,
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Speaker 1: but I opened up for him at iTunes Festival, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, and then I don't know, we just
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Speaker 1: we just hung out. I went and guested with him
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Speaker 1: a couple of times on tour, Like we've had nights
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Speaker 1: out together. It seems like you'll had an organic chemistry together. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean he's a phenomenal writer. Phenomenal writer. I mean
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Speaker 1: he's written so many others like he did to see
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Speaker 1: Tho Green, Fuck You, and like God, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Bruno's just like he's just a talented writer,
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Speaker 1: and he's so musically talent. He's played every every instrument
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Speaker 1: on that but Jones played the bass, played the guitar.
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Speaker 1: Like he's like different level in the studio you really
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Speaker 1: respect for I write at the mote like it's like
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Speaker 1: the same thing you were listening to Howard Stern yesterday,
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Speaker 1: And Howard Stern is like one of the greatest radio personalities.
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Speaker 1: You've got to You've got to. You've got to look
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Speaker 1: at your peers and the people you look up to,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I have a great respect of people
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Speaker 1: that can do things that I can't do. When I
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Speaker 1: was shocked to find out that you get no help
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Speaker 1: with your writing, like you write everything yourself lyrically, Yes,
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Speaker 1: but I think I need a lot of help with
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Speaker 1: production and making songs, you know. And there'll be songs
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Speaker 1: like the A Team and Perfects and stuff like that
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Speaker 1: that I'll just go in and I'd do a one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent myself. Whereas there'll be a song like Goalway Girl,
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Speaker 1: which is quite a collaborative thing. I'll go in with
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Speaker 1: a folk band and then we'll all write it together
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Speaker 1: with the folk band, but I would write the lyrics
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Speaker 1: for that and then it would be shaped in it. Basically,
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Speaker 1: did you look you look at other eithers different when
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Speaker 1: you find out the radio stuff, only if they have
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. I just find I'm just
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Speaker 1: kind of need to write songs to make me feel
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Speaker 1: better about myself. You get out all your demons in
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Speaker 1: music and then it kind of clears out your head.
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Speaker 1: It's it's like it's exactly therapy I saw Elton john
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Speaker 1: car you want to like one of the best song
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Speaker 1: writer of this generation. It's very kind of I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I like writing songs, but I feel like I'm improving
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Speaker 1: day by day by going in the studio people like
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Speaker 1: Chris Stapleton and Bruno Mars. You're just expanding your palette
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Speaker 1: and learning new things. I think you're growing by just
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Speaker 1: living life like order. You get the more experience as
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Speaker 1: you get, but you can't you can't. You can't become
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Speaker 1: better unless you around people who can teach you things.
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Speaker 1: If I just worked in this studio, things would start
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Speaker 1: sounding a bit stale after a while. Which is what's
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Speaker 1: so great about doing this collaborations project is I've worked
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Speaker 1: with so many different people and seeing how like Bruno's
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Speaker 1: process versus Travis Scott's process versus Chances process, we'll get
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Speaker 1: we'll get onto it. But he literally puts a mike
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Speaker 1: up and he just has the verse repeating, and he's
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Speaker 1: just there in the studio and it's kind of starts
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Speaker 1: off as a mumble and then like words go in
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Speaker 1: every now and then, and then like the first sentence
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Speaker 1: is done, but the rest of mumble and he'll just
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Speaker 1: do it over and over and over again, and then
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Speaker 1: the verse has done. The most amazing thing I've seen
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Speaker 1: people do it line by line, but in terms of
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Speaker 1: like he's memorizing all his mumbles and the cadence of
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Speaker 1: the mumbles, and then thinking of the lines, and then
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Speaker 1: memorizing the first lines and then getting totin like there
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Speaker 1: was no point that he stopped. It was just two
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Speaker 1: hours of that and then the verse was done, which
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Speaker 1: was a completely different thing for me to see. So
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Speaker 1: I'm learning stuff like that every day and since then
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Speaker 1: have tried that, tried putting putting, I mean I can't
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Speaker 1: do it yet, but putting songs together where you find
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Speaker 1: a melody and then you mumble the words and keep going,
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Speaker 1: keep going, and then it starts to fit. So it's
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Speaker 1: like learning stuff every day from people. So what do
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Speaker 1: you learn from Bruno? So as you look at him
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Speaker 1: as another amazing songwriter, or there any tricks you got
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Speaker 1: from him and it could make you better. We kind
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Speaker 1: of have the same approach for a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: You know, you throw a lot of ideas at the wall.
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Speaker 1: His ideas are just different to mine. When I was
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Speaker 1: in there, he was like, look, the reason we're working
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Speaker 1: together is we're both trying to get something from each other.
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Speaker 1: And if you just play the usual cause that you do,
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Speaker 1: you might as well just be working on your own.
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Speaker 1: So what would work as your melodies and lyrics over this?
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Speaker 1: And then if you have some chords that will go
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Speaker 1: over this, then my melodies and lyrics go over this,
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Speaker 1: and then that's what makes it interesting. So that chorus
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Speaker 1: on the Blow song is you know, a mixture of Chris,
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Speaker 1: a mixture of me, and a mixture of Bruno and
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Speaker 1: it all kind of came together like that. Basically, do
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Speaker 1: you find yourself battling battling him? Oh yeah, massively? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that make the amount of arguments, which is kind of like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think at the time he might. I
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Speaker 1: think he had two Diamond singles at that point and
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Speaker 1: I had one and he and he was just like,
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Speaker 1: but I've got two diamond singles and like it. They'd
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Speaker 1: be kind of like back and forth like that, and
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Speaker 1: then the next time I went in with him, I've
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Speaker 1: got two as well. So we've kind of had a
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Speaker 1: battle on that front for US world pop star problems,
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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and what's the next South of the Border.
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Speaker 1: Why why did you pick those two young ladies to
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Speaker 1: collab on network. I've always wanted to make a song
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Speaker 1: with Hardi Bi Cardi b just personality wise, even even
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Speaker 1: if you just had a talking on the song, like
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Speaker 1: I've just I love her, Cherry's obsessed with her. She's
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Speaker 1: just I've got some meter review times. She's very animated,
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Speaker 1: very lovely, and so that. Yeah, I always wanted her
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Speaker 1: on a record. But I met comed in twenty thirteen
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Speaker 1: at the VMA's when she was in Fifth Harmony. We've
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Speaker 1: kind of always kept in touch and she's I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you've met her, but she's very, very very sweet,
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Speaker 1: very very nice. It has a Latin flavor, you could
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Speaker 1: say that, yeah, you know she's from Cuba. She speaks
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Speaker 1: fluent Spanish and Cardi's Dominican. Yes, yeah, And I just
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Speaker 1: felt like it was it was a good, good mix.
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Speaker 1: Does since since you and Bruno have such a friendly competition,
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Speaker 1: when you see him have these records with Cardi, you know,
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Speaker 1: does that make you want to do that type of collabiration.
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Speaker 1: I definitely saw the Finesse tune and like was like, wow, man, God,
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Speaker 1: I wish I had done that, but then I couldn't
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Speaker 1: have done it. I can't dance like that, dude. It's
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Speaker 1: just it would have been weird. It would have been
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Speaker 1: a weird thing. So I feel like that is me,
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Speaker 1: and I like Bruno does his thing with Cardi, but
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Speaker 1: then Cardi's like Cardi's on a lot of records. She's
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Speaker 1: just you know, I like Bruno doing really well because
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Speaker 1: it spurs me on to do really well. Hopefully if
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Speaker 1: I do well, it spurs him on. It's not like
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Speaker 1: there's never a vindictiveness in it. It's just like, oh shit,
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Speaker 1: he's doing that. I should I should work harder and
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Speaker 1: do this, rather than a like I want to be
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Speaker 1: doing better than you. You and Cardie got similar energies
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Speaker 1: to her because Cardi is authentically herself and you're authentically yourself.
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Speaker 1: You think that's why you gravity toward Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I just I love how unfiltered she is. You know,
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Speaker 1: she literally she's me so media trained not to be
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Speaker 1: media trained. You know, like her whole stick is she
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Speaker 1: goes on and says whatever she wants and that is
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Speaker 1: what works for her, whereas I never had a media
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Speaker 1: training either. And I feel like I get to just
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Speaker 1: say what I want, and she's successful because she is
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Speaker 1: who she is. She's there's no one else that can
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Speaker 1: be Cardi B. And there's going to be countless people
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Speaker 1: now that try to be Yeah, she had had her
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Speaker 1: success and it's going to be fake. Yeah. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I was trying to be fake real and you're
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Speaker 1: trying to be fake authentically. Yeah, trying to be fake
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Speaker 1: cut yeah, yeah, yeah. What's next next is the chance
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Speaker 1: to refer from P and B rock song about that's
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Speaker 1: my scene. That's all the snow. If you cross hard
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Speaker 1: and you cross me cross I made you want to
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Speaker 1: get a chance? You want to record a bunch of lady.
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Speaker 1: You can just tell just from the way that he
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Speaker 1: his approach was to it. His whole verse was like
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Speaker 1: this that line we were talking about yesterday, They never
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Speaker 1: say hi to me without her Like it's just like
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Speaker 1: there's just a you can't teach that level of respect.
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Speaker 1: He's obviously brought up with a very very strong, loving mother,
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Speaker 1: you know, and probably with a lot of women around him,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's it's good. I'll play you what we
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Speaker 1: what we actually got the sample from, because it's a
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Speaker 1: P and B sample, it's a P and B rock sample. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so freestyle, how is it anything she needs? She can
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Speaker 1: call me, don't worry about it. That's my scene of
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Speaker 1: that saw me to snow. If you cast her and
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Speaker 1: you cost me up. P and B made it a
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Speaker 1: hot line. You made it a hot song. That's hard.
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Speaker 1: You said it's hard to right about. No, it's easier
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Speaker 1: to write about heartbreak than it is about love. But
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Speaker 1: I feel like you captured well. No, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think it's easier to write multiple songs about heartbreak.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like to find the right
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Speaker 1: fucking angle to write a love song about, which isn't
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Speaker 1: just you make me feel this way, and it's like
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Speaker 1: find it. It's about finding different angles. Now, for me,
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Speaker 1: it's not about I've done thinking out loud, I've done perfect,
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Speaker 1: I've done the the love songs about finding different angles.
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Speaker 1: Now to do that, that's a different type of love song,
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Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that's expressed in love nicely, and I
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Speaker 1: think I think my view of it is that because
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Speaker 1: it has so many ups and downs in the song,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's the bit where it just cuts out
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Speaker 1: and then just suddenly you and your girl everyone will
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Speaker 1: be doing that. I think it'd be fun. What was
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Speaker 1: your lady's reaction when she heard that song? Just say, finally, finally,
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Speaker 1: you didn't make a depressing song about me, something we
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Speaker 1: can dance to. Yeah. No, she likes it. She likes
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Speaker 1: a lot she but she likes um. I think she
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Speaker 1: likes the message of it because it's quite. It's quite.
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Speaker 1: It makes her feel like badass as well. You know
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Speaker 1: you you originally hear the song and it's it sounds
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Speaker 1: like it's me being like, I'm going to be protective,
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Speaker 1: but actually it's a scaring people might try right now
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Speaker 1: because you've got her artist looking like a tough guy. No,
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Speaker 1: because you know I'm not. I'm not a tough guy.
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Speaker 1: But I've got a security guy. Hey, you know he's
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Speaker 1: he's grumpy, so he's going away. What's next? The stormsy
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Speaker 1: one to the Sky. Yeah. Yeah, you're such an intriguing
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Speaker 1: artist because you perhaps sing R and B, but it
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Speaker 1: seems like UK rap has influenced you just as much
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Speaker 1: as all that other stuff. Yeah. Well, I think I
13:43
Speaker 1: think rap in general, but UK rap was you know,
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Speaker 1: the first bit intro for me into this was me
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Speaker 1: doing that collaborations thing. And I've been working with UK
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Speaker 1: artists since since since then, you know, we've kind of
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Speaker 1: been friends for a very very long time, but never
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Speaker 1: really worked together. He did he remake Shape of You
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Speaker 1: for me, but never really worked together on a song.
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Speaker 1: Everything happens for a reason, and I feel like this
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Speaker 1: happened for a reason. What's the next next is the
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Speaker 1: y ever tune, which I'd like to say. I played
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Speaker 1: this to Charlemagne yesterday and I played him yeb just
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Speaker 1: just before I played in the song called Evergreen, and
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Speaker 1: he was obviously blown away because she's amazing. But then
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Speaker 1: I do my verse on this song. He's like, I
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Speaker 1: can tell she's just going to come and body you
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Speaker 1: about the body, and I was right. She bodied you
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Speaker 1: on this record. And this is why you're doing the interview,
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Speaker 1: because you're honest. My lungs black, my hardest, pure god,
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Speaker 1: we did that here actually really, Yeah, thank you for
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Speaker 1: introducing me to Hurry Yabba. She's phenomenal and she boded
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Speaker 1: you on that record. Thank you. But you know that,
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Speaker 1: Like that's right. But I think, as I said to
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Speaker 1: you when the song was playing, you should only be
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Speaker 1: working with people that you think are better than you,
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Speaker 1: so it helps you grow as a person. Like when
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Speaker 1: I the song wo Beyonce, she definitely bodied me on
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Speaker 1: that did the song with hell like he definitely like
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Speaker 1: these people are the peak of their game. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, perfect as a lord. Debatable. That was a
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Speaker 1: good back and forth. Oh, I mean that was This
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Speaker 1: is a good back and forth too. But you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, I'm not I don't
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Speaker 1: want to do I don't want to I don't want
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Speaker 1: to have a feature that isn't amazing. She hit a
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Speaker 1: note on there. I'm like, I don't even know what
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Speaker 1: there was. Yeah, it sound like you could have been
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Speaker 1: like some offects on or something like. Yeah. But like
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Speaker 1: if like if that had you know, someone that it
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Speaker 1: didn't compliment it, I don't know. I feel like it
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Speaker 1: if you have a song that you think is good
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Speaker 1: and you put someone that you think is amazing, it
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Speaker 1: instantly makes the song incredible. So yeah, it was. I
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Speaker 1: had taken her on tour in twenty seventeen, so we
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Speaker 1: were in touch anyway, and she came to see my
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Speaker 1: Wembley show recently and we reconnected there and we've been
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Speaker 1: on email and she sent me demos of her songs
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Speaker 1: that I've listened to and stuff like that, so we've
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Speaker 1: always we've always had a really cool relationship. I got
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Speaker 1: on the phone with her one day and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I have the song, send it to her. She sent
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Speaker 1: back her verse and then and then I was like,
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Speaker 1: we have to get in and make sure that the
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Speaker 1: chorus lifts and we can sing it to and it
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Speaker 1: sounds like we've actually been in the same room and
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Speaker 1: made it. Something like that you can't really make remotely.
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Speaker 1: You have to be in the same room. Sometimes I
16:07
Speaker 1: play people artists and some people will be like, oh
16:09
Speaker 1: my god, been the best thing the world, and some
16:10
Speaker 1: people like I just don't get it. But there's no
16:12
Speaker 1: one that doesn't get her. It's so easy to get.
16:14
Speaker 1: It's just like, Wow, she's incredibly talented. Yeah, I mean
16:17
Speaker 1: people like her just let me know that. It's just
16:18
Speaker 1: a matter of timing, because you know, you know, when
16:20
Speaker 1: when you put me on her and I pulled it
16:22
Speaker 1: over Green on Instagram, the people in my comments like, oh,
16:25
Speaker 1: you're late. Oh I listened to that song a lot
16:27
Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, but there's but there's late, and there's
16:30
Speaker 1: there's late, like there's you know, there's people that would
16:33
Speaker 1: have been on Travis Scott from the very, very very beginning.
16:36
Speaker 1: You know that would be like, oh, you're late if
16:38
Speaker 1: you got into him at goosebumps or whatever. It's so
16:40
Speaker 1: I think you know you can't be there from the beginning.
16:44
Speaker 1: Was she willing to be as open as you were?
16:45
Speaker 1: Did you have to kind of like push her? Yeah?
16:47
Speaker 1: Well I said it. I said it on on on
16:49
Speaker 1: the phone. I said, like for me, for me, I
16:51
Speaker 1: was writing stuff that was embarrassing to me, you know,
16:54
Speaker 1: my deepest secrets that And I said, if you're if,
16:59
Speaker 1: if you're going to write it, just make sure that
17:01
Speaker 1: if each line is uncomfortable for you to write, we
17:03
Speaker 1: will be like, oh gosh, I'll be telling people this.
17:05
Speaker 1: That's the kind of vibe I wants you to have. It.
17:08
Speaker 1: Is it healthy to think that the best of you
17:10
Speaker 1: is another person? Though maybe not, but I'm sure you
17:13
Speaker 1: think some of the best parts of you were your wife,
17:18
Speaker 1: And I think it's it might it might not be healthy,
17:20
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's a human flaw. But to
17:23
Speaker 1: be like, like I'm constantly wake up every day with
17:26
Speaker 1: Cherry and I'm just like, why the fuck are you
17:27
Speaker 1: with me? Like you could be you literally be with
17:30
Speaker 1: who who, whoever you want to You've chosen, You've chosen me,
17:32
Speaker 1: And like I'm saying, all of the things that I
17:35
Speaker 1: think are wrong with me, but you still want to
17:36
Speaker 1: be with me. And I just find that amazing. But
17:39
Speaker 1: doesn't they keep you in a content state of anxiety,
17:41
Speaker 1: like constantly questioning whether or not no, no, because no,
17:44
Speaker 1: because she doesn't she doesn't add fuel to the flame.
17:48
Speaker 1: I think. I think I think if she was like, well, yeah, why,
17:55
Speaker 1: then then you get anxiety. But I think it's quite
17:57
Speaker 1: a sweet thing to I think it's quite sweet to
17:59
Speaker 1: always think that the person you're with is out of
18:02
Speaker 1: your league. Imagine imagine if you were like with your wife, like, yeah,
18:05
Speaker 1: you're with me because I'm fucking amazing. Like it's like,
18:08
Speaker 1: it's it's quite a sweet thing. It keeps you on
18:10
Speaker 1: your tools. Yeah, and you don't ever take it from granted. Yeah, mate,
18:13
Speaker 1: And that's the way. That would be the worst thing,
18:15
Speaker 1: to just just be Yeah, to take it for granted.
18:19
Speaker 1: And I tour a lot. I spend a lot of
18:21
Speaker 1: time on the road, and I think I have to
18:24
Speaker 1: go on the road and have this belief that you know,
18:27
Speaker 1: with this is meant to be what's next eminem fifty cent?
18:30
Speaker 1: Remember the name? Yeah, I work wanted to make it
18:35
Speaker 1: big ship. When you know a record is completely done,
18:38
Speaker 1: I don't if you know. If it's up to me,
18:41
Speaker 1: I keep I'll keep tweaking it. It's weird, like the
18:44
Speaker 1: musical side of it. If it sounds good, it's done.
18:46
Speaker 1: Like for me, like even if the guitar is like
18:48
Speaker 1: slightly out of tune, or like the vocals are a
18:51
Speaker 1: bit rough, Like, if it sounds good, it's done. But
18:53
Speaker 1: when it comes to mixing, it's just I don't know.
18:55
Speaker 1: You have to listen to it on so many different speakers.
18:57
Speaker 1: So we've got like two different speakers here, and then
18:59
Speaker 1: I'll usually do a mix on like just regular headphones.
19:02
Speaker 1: I want it to be good on so many different things,
19:05
Speaker 1: Like it could sound amazing and hearing you take it
19:07
Speaker 1: in the car and it's all kind of so yeah,
19:09
Speaker 1: that's when you don't know it's done. But usually the
19:11
Speaker 1: deadline comes and then someone takes and it comes up.
19:13
Speaker 1: I feel like that record is like a childhood dreamy
19:15
Speaker 1: or like the Pub is the Pub in New York.
19:18
Speaker 1: I had two songs I always wanted to do with Eminem.
19:20
Speaker 1: I was like, if I ever get to work with Eminem,
19:22
Speaker 1: that's two songs I want to do, and it's one's
19:24
Speaker 1: like an introspective storytelling one and one is something that's
19:27
Speaker 1: kind of is more of a nod towards some of
19:31
Speaker 1: the cheekier songs on the Marshal Mathers LP or like
19:34
Speaker 1: the Eminem Show. And I was like, when I when
19:36
Speaker 1: I when I work, when I work with him, because
19:38
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, it's always going to happen.
19:40
Speaker 1: I've just gotta wait. I'll do those two songs. And
19:42
Speaker 1: one led to the other. So I did the River
19:43
Speaker 1: Song with him for the Revival record, and then through
19:46
Speaker 1: that got to know him and then I was able
19:49
Speaker 1: to sit down with him and Detroit and approach him
19:51
Speaker 1: with this song and it didn't feel weird. And now
19:53
Speaker 1: and now I feel like I've ticked my two boxes.
19:56
Speaker 1: It feels yeah, it feels good. And you're verse you
19:58
Speaker 1: talk about people will en being your private leves. You
20:00
Speaker 1: started to go a little Eminem on the blogs on
20:02
Speaker 1: ever just a little bit. It was actually before me
20:04
Speaker 1: and Cherry got married, and I knew that we'd be
20:05
Speaker 1: married by the point that the song came out and
20:07
Speaker 1: so I said, watch how the lyrics might get twisted.
20:09
Speaker 1: My wife always read the looks better without the lipstick.
20:11
Speaker 1: And I was just like, someone's going to hear that
20:14
Speaker 1: they're married, and I didn't know how that would be construed,
20:17
Speaker 1: but obviously it's already come out. The other thing I
20:19
Speaker 1: think it's funny, is I say I mentioned Ipswich in it,
20:22
Speaker 1: which is a town near here, which is like Eminem
20:25
Speaker 1: would never ever know ways, which is so to be
20:27
Speaker 1: able to have a song with Eminem and fifty cent
20:30
Speaker 1: and the first line is yeah, yeah, I was born
20:37
Speaker 1: just to be able to have that. Just like whenever
20:40
Speaker 1: I go to Ipswich now, they'll just be someone will
20:42
Speaker 1: be like thanks, man. That's how it is in America.
20:44
Speaker 1: If you shout out a certain compute or a certain hood,
20:47
Speaker 1: they'd be like, yeah, oh good lookers. Was the same
20:49
Speaker 1: thing over here. Yeah, And I mean, you know, there's
20:50
Speaker 1: only there's only a few musicians that have ever come
20:53
Speaker 1: out of Suffolk as a county. The whole county let alone,
20:56
Speaker 1: shouted out Ipswich. So I feel like it's so you're
21:00
Speaker 1: get free fish and chips Inwitch. I'd never get that.
21:03
Speaker 1: They'd be like, you can afford it made. So I
21:06
Speaker 1: made that song in Sweden with Max Martin, who's a
21:11
Speaker 1: who's a really big songwriter producer, and I was writing
21:14
Speaker 1: my verse and then cheekly at the end of it,
21:18
Speaker 1: I just said, right, Max, I want to like, I
21:20
Speaker 1: want to wish this into existence, like it's um listen
21:24
Speaker 1: to my vestigating I would work. Yeah, I wanted to
21:26
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah. Yeah. So at the end of the verse,
21:32
Speaker 1: I said, I want way more than I've already got
21:34
Speaker 1: to give me a song with Eminem and fifty cent.
21:36
Speaker 1: And I said to Max, I was like, I'm going,
21:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to London tomorrow to go and guest with Eminem,
21:41
Speaker 1: so I'll ask him about the tune then and see
21:43
Speaker 1: if he can get fifty cent on it. And I
21:45
Speaker 1: walked in Eminem's dressing room and it's him in fifty
21:47
Speaker 1: cent in there, and I was like, this, this has
21:50
Speaker 1: to be, has to be meant to be. I think
21:52
Speaker 1: they were quite they were quite weird about it because
21:54
Speaker 1: I was like, do you believe in fate and was
21:59
Speaker 1: trying to make decision. Yeah, you know, I did walk
22:02
Speaker 1: in and I was like, look, I'm I'm a great
22:05
Speaker 1: believer of things. Things are meant to be the way
22:07
Speaker 1: they're meant to be, because that like, you can't you
22:10
Speaker 1: can't get to my stage in my career and think
22:12
Speaker 1: that it's all down to some like just hard work
22:15
Speaker 1: or just this like this definitely definitely things that I
22:18
Speaker 1: was in the right place at the right time and
22:19
Speaker 1: this and that. So it was actually quite a cool
22:21
Speaker 1: meeting because I played him the song and I thought
22:23
Speaker 1: we'd record it then, but he was just like, leave it,
22:25
Speaker 1: leave it with me, because he writes and writes and
22:27
Speaker 1: writes and writes and goes over. So we just sat
22:30
Speaker 1: and chop. It was the day after Kamakazi had come out,
22:33
Speaker 1: and no one knew it was coming out, and then
22:36
Speaker 1: suddenly it came out and I was like, fuck, I'm
22:37
Speaker 1: seeing him tomorrow. I get to kind of like talk
22:40
Speaker 1: to him about it. Ya ya, y'all got a lot
22:42
Speaker 1: of similarities in a weirdo because I really relate to
22:44
Speaker 1: him and we have such different backgrounds, but I really
22:48
Speaker 1: relate to him, and even even even even more so now,
22:51
Speaker 1: like as a kid, I related to him just because
22:52
Speaker 1: I felt like a bit of an outcast. But even
22:55
Speaker 1: even now, like the way that we've we've both stuck
22:58
Speaker 1: in our hometowns. We both we both live here. We
23:01
Speaker 1: both got to a level where it's you're so famous
23:05
Speaker 1: you cannot go outside, and so you have to kind
23:07
Speaker 1: of live in your little compound. And having a conversation
23:10
Speaker 1: with him about it and how he tours now, and
23:13
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm kind of looking at the way he
23:15
Speaker 1: does things, being like, that's how I should do it.
23:16
Speaker 1: When I'm like, because he's got kids and stuff, and
23:18
Speaker 1: he's a very very good father and he's there the
23:20
Speaker 1: whole time. But my greatest fear is not raising my
23:23
Speaker 1: kids because I'm constantly on tour. So what he does
23:25
Speaker 1: is he makes an album and then he goes out
23:27
Speaker 1: and does like a month of touring, and then he
23:29
Speaker 1: comes back home and then that's that's it. And I
23:32
Speaker 1: can talk to him on a level and he can
23:34
Speaker 1: understand where I'm coming from, and I can understand where
23:36
Speaker 1: he's coming from. But yeah, that's how I'm menting on
23:38
Speaker 1: the same where you just described it defective if you
23:40
Speaker 1: are still in your hometown. Yeah, And it's like a
23:43
Speaker 1: level of self isolation, you know what i mean. Jerry's
23:47
Speaker 1: trying to get me away from it. She's scared that
23:48
Speaker 1: like the pub and the cinema, and like, just I
23:51
Speaker 1: just I've like made it that my friends just can
23:54
Speaker 1: come here out rather than me going out. So Cherry's
23:56
Speaker 1: always trying to get me to go out more and more,
23:58
Speaker 1: but it just gets to take her out in time
24:00
Speaker 1: and let her, let her get mobbed, and then she'll
24:02
Speaker 1: be like, you know, she's seen it, she's seen it,
24:04
Speaker 1: and she doesn't she doesn't obviously doesn't like it, but
24:06
Speaker 1: she's like, it's not healthy to do this. So how
24:09
Speaker 1: do you stay at all? What's going on? Because like
24:11
Speaker 1: your music, doesn't that sound like you're I listened to
24:13
Speaker 1: your show every single day stuff like that. I read
24:16
Speaker 1: the news every single day. I like keep I keep
24:18
Speaker 1: up to date. I'm just I don't know. I lost
24:20
Speaker 1: the ability to be able to go out to a
24:22
Speaker 1: supermarket and buy a loaf of bread about not even
24:25
Speaker 1: that long ago, like three years ago, and it's just
24:27
Speaker 1: it's just different now there's certain places I can go.
24:29
Speaker 1: That's why I live here, Like people around here treat
24:31
Speaker 1: me pretty normally. But like London, because it's London such
24:34
Speaker 1: a melting pot of so many different people, it's like
24:37
Speaker 1: you can never sort of preempst what people are going
24:39
Speaker 1: to be like. It was definitely very, very fun to
24:41
Speaker 1: work with Eminem. Again, if you could have told twelve
24:44
Speaker 1: year old me I would rap on a song with
24:47
Speaker 1: Eminem when I was older, Like, you know, so many
24:49
Speaker 1: people say that I can't rap, but I'm allowed on
24:52
Speaker 1: a song with Eminem and fifty cent rappers, So like,
24:54
Speaker 1: why does it matter twelve year old you was now
24:56
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old. Juice of this still around all
24:59
Speaker 1: as you a later. Yeah, I've played as people of
25:02
Speaker 1: my generation who have that, Like Shade Records was just
25:06
Speaker 1: us when we were like fourteen, We were just obsessed
25:09
Speaker 1: with it. So playing that to like my best friends
25:12
Speaker 1: now are all excited about it, But there'll be people
25:14
Speaker 1: from your generation. They're excited about it, and they're people
25:17
Speaker 1: from a completely different generation who maybe haven't they're not
25:20
Speaker 1: really that aware of it, but maybe they've heard Shape
25:22
Speaker 1: of You and like Shape of You that will listen
25:23
Speaker 1: to this project have a different impact on somebody that's
25:27
Speaker 1: my age or because I'm thinking, damn, fifteen, am I
25:30
Speaker 1: such an underrated combination because you start thinking about like
25:34
Speaker 1: patiently waiting, you know what I mean, all the songs
25:36
Speaker 1: that they've done together and you're like, okay, I like
25:38
Speaker 1: hearing that was why I really really wanted to get
25:40
Speaker 1: the two of them. I could have just done that
25:43
Speaker 1: with with them, but it was like, I mean, the
25:47
Speaker 1: hook that I wrote is so fifty cents. It just
25:51
Speaker 1: had to it had to be the had to be
25:53
Speaker 1: that one thing that's not missing the doctor Dre dramas
25:55
Speaker 1: with I know, I just think it's weird to go
25:57
Speaker 1: with someone with a complete track and just be like,
25:59
Speaker 1: please just put your name to I think if Dr
26:01
Speaker 1: J does end up watching this, which who knows if
26:04
Speaker 1: if if he will, but like, he is someone I
26:07
Speaker 1: would love to work with, and I wouldn't feel comfortable
26:09
Speaker 1: being like, here's a song, put your name to it.
26:11
Speaker 1: I'd want to go in and create a song. Bible
26:13
Speaker 1: record a lot of tool at a party. I don't
26:20
Speaker 1: want to be and I don't ever wear. What made
26:24
Speaker 1: you want to reach under Bible? Right now? Bieber just
26:26
Speaker 1: got married. I just got married. That song is about
26:29
Speaker 1: being at industry event with the woman you love, or
26:33
Speaker 1: even put the person you love and kind of being like,
26:37
Speaker 1: fuck this, let's just have fun ourselves. And I was
26:39
Speaker 1: like it was actually Cherry's idea because she was. She
26:42
Speaker 1: was like, oh, why don't you get Bieber? Like perfect
26:43
Speaker 1: for this fits it? And you know, I have quite
26:46
Speaker 1: a good relationship with him. I met him at Ze
26:49
Speaker 1: one hundred thing. He came up and said, oh, I'm
26:52
Speaker 1: a big fan, and I was like, wow, have you
26:54
Speaker 1: heard my music? So we kept in touch. I wrote
26:57
Speaker 1: some songs for him and with him for his project.
27:00
Speaker 1: You know, we've just hung out a bunch of times.
27:02
Speaker 1: I want to I want to work with Bieber. He's
27:04
Speaker 1: got one of these voices that just works on anything,
27:07
Speaker 1: and he's got personality on when he thinks. Were you
27:09
Speaker 1: ever a social person? Because it seems like you're a
27:12
Speaker 1: social which you only getting antisocial industry functions. So I
27:15
Speaker 1: used to be super social industry functions I used my
27:19
Speaker 1: My hobby was to go out to things and meet
27:21
Speaker 1: people that I admired and then go out and drink
27:23
Speaker 1: with them and end up at a bar. That was
27:24
Speaker 1: not my favorite thing to do. So you know, I
27:26
Speaker 1: kind of like ended up meeting all all my musical
27:29
Speaker 1: heroes and go out to bars with them and having
27:31
Speaker 1: fun with them. And then it's just now when I
27:34
Speaker 1: go to these events, it's I just have social anxiety.
27:38
Speaker 1: I just can't. I hate large groups of people, which
27:40
Speaker 1: I run it because I played shows for a living,
27:42
Speaker 1: but I just don't. I feel claustrophobic and I don't
27:45
Speaker 1: like being around too many people. You think people it's
27:47
Speaker 1: because you are a sharing and people demand too much
27:50
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, but it isn't even that. I don't
27:52
Speaker 1: even mind talking to people. I have no problem with
27:55
Speaker 1: having a conversation with people. It's just when people like
27:58
Speaker 1: film me and shit and just kind of stare at me,
28:01
Speaker 1: it's just makes me feel weird because it makes me
28:02
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not human. You coming up and having
28:05
Speaker 1: a conversation with me makes me feel human, even if
28:07
Speaker 1: we've never met, even if you just come up. And
28:09
Speaker 1: the thing that instantly shuts me off is having a
28:12
Speaker 1: moment like that with someone that's so human and so
28:15
Speaker 1: nice and at the end being like, oh but I
28:17
Speaker 1: can have a picture, and it's like it kind of
28:19
Speaker 1: then puts you back down to earth and it now
28:20
Speaker 1: then you're just you're just that. You're literally just fifteen
28:24
Speaker 1: lights on Instagram and you're that's that's what you are.
28:27
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if the conversation Yea we're having
28:29
Speaker 1: was even yeah, because sometimes sometimes I have these conversations
28:33
Speaker 1: with people in this where was it? I was it
28:36
Speaker 1: a Marilyn Manson show and this guy just came up
28:38
Speaker 1: to me and he literally just shook my hand and
28:39
Speaker 1: when I like your music man, and then just and
28:41
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that was like such a short
28:43
Speaker 1: thing and such a simple thing, but that meant so much. Yeah,
28:46
Speaker 1: So I think I get kind of anxiety because you know,
28:49
Speaker 1: if I was eating in a restaurant now, it's I
28:51
Speaker 1: would prefer to have a private room because if I'm
28:53
Speaker 1: eating in the room with everyone, I get people filming
28:56
Speaker 1: me eat my food while I'm with my wife. It's
28:57
Speaker 1: just I've just find it. But it's a bit. It's
28:59
Speaker 1: you feel you feel like a zoo animal, and I don't.
29:01
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be like complaining because I have
29:03
Speaker 1: a very very cool job and life, but if I
29:07
Speaker 1: can avoid it, I will. Yeah. I wouldn't want nobody
29:09
Speaker 1: to record you eating fish and chips because let me
29:13
Speaker 1: feel like able, but you eat like one as well,
29:15
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. If you could have the success
29:18
Speaker 1: without the theme, you would would you take that? I
29:20
Speaker 1: think my success has happened because I'm so recognizable you know,
29:23
Speaker 1: it's like I make good well I think i'll make
29:25
Speaker 1: good music, but I make people that music that people like.
29:28
Speaker 1: But you can, you can remember who I am, and
29:31
Speaker 1: it's something in my own fucking fault as well. Look
29:33
Speaker 1: at all these tattoos I've got, and then I start
29:35
Speaker 1: wearing glasses again, and then that's just another thing to
29:37
Speaker 1: make me more more recognizable. So I definitely don't help
29:39
Speaker 1: myself in that. What's the next song, my brother? The
29:42
Speaker 1: next song is called Antisocial and it's the Travis Scott one.
29:49
Speaker 1: It sounds cleaner, don't touch me? What's that recond about? It?
29:52
Speaker 1: Sound self explainatory, but probably what we were talking about earlier,
29:55
Speaker 1: having the anxiety of being in clubs. How often do
29:58
Speaker 1: you get in the more you don't want to be
29:59
Speaker 1: bothered every day every day? So I live here every
30:02
Speaker 1: single day. I live here. Yeah, but when you go out,
30:05
Speaker 1: you know that I'm Mary. Yeah. No, when I like,
30:07
Speaker 1: I just have to be in a frame of mind,
30:09
Speaker 1: like when I go to an award show, I'm like,
30:10
Speaker 1: right today, like it's just happening, Like I'm not I'm
30:13
Speaker 1: not going to get angry anxiety because this just has
30:16
Speaker 1: to happen today I don't know if it just creeps
30:18
Speaker 1: up on you and then it's just there the hat
30:20
Speaker 1: load or signal to people that you don't want to
30:22
Speaker 1: be bothered, that you letting them know, like, oh dude,
30:24
Speaker 1: you see me out of my hadlaw. Well, that's what
30:25
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah,
30:28
Speaker 1: that's good. That's a good signal, and that's like you should. Yeah,
30:30
Speaker 1: but I don't really I don't really go out to
30:31
Speaker 1: clubs anyway. I used to when you know, Cherry used
30:33
Speaker 1: to live in New York, so I used to live
30:35
Speaker 1: the Inner Apartment and we used to go out like
30:37
Speaker 1: most most nights. But it was different then as well.
30:39
Speaker 1: Shape of You brought me to a different level of fame.
30:42
Speaker 1: Like I thought. I thought I was like at my peak,
30:45
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it was like a completely different world.
30:47
Speaker 1: It's the world of your Beyonce's and your jay Z's
30:50
Speaker 1: and your Dell's and it's just to suddenly there's so
30:53
Speaker 1: much interest. You know, how hard did to protect your energy?
30:56
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you, your your mental world, being your
31:00
Speaker 1: your mental speech. Well I found, I find, I find
31:03
Speaker 1: I've been working on it for the past eight eight years,
31:06
Speaker 1: and whether whether it be getting rid of a phone
31:09
Speaker 1: and only answering emails like you know, twice a day,
31:14
Speaker 1: or whether it's like cutting down my friendship group to
31:16
Speaker 1: the bare, bare, bare minimum just so I trust everyone,
31:20
Speaker 1: or whether it's living in the countryside in the middle
31:22
Speaker 1: of nowhere and kind of closed off a bit from reality.
31:25
Speaker 1: I think all of these little things are in place
31:27
Speaker 1: to protect this. I think my mind and it's all working.
31:33
Speaker 1: I think it's all working. I think if I lived
31:35
Speaker 1: in central central London in less Less Square or Mayfair
31:38
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then hanging out with people
31:40
Speaker 1: that I'm not really sure whether they're friends with me
31:42
Speaker 1: for who I am or who I am you know,
31:46
Speaker 1: or you'll never you'll never know a death fields like again,
31:50
Speaker 1: especially with the new people that are coming to your life.
31:52
Speaker 1: You'll never know of there like you y like, yeah,
31:54
Speaker 1: but I don't ever really let people. I like, I
31:56
Speaker 1: like let people in from a from a let's like
31:59
Speaker 1: hang out out place like that. You know, these these
32:01
Speaker 1: boys have come to film now when we hung out
32:03
Speaker 1: in the pub yesterday, like there's there's letting in and
32:05
Speaker 1: there's there's letting in. You know, when you had that
32:08
Speaker 1: conversation with Travis about their record. Did he understand where
32:10
Speaker 1: he was coming from the hall? Yeah, because I think
32:12
Speaker 1: he he has it and here we're talking about it.
32:16
Speaker 1: I think he's very lucky with you know, the girl
32:17
Speaker 1: that he's with. He says that, you know that they
32:19
Speaker 1: have a similar thing where they just have their little
32:22
Speaker 1: little circle, but he's with the biggest. Yeah. But I
32:26
Speaker 1: don't know. I think in the world almost Yeah, but
32:29
Speaker 1: I think they're all different on they they all want
32:32
Speaker 1: different things. Um, yeah, I don't really know. I didn't
32:35
Speaker 1: really know. But he he struck me as someone that
32:37
Speaker 1: I had a lot of comment in common with. Basically,
32:39
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't He doesn't seem to me to
32:41
Speaker 1: be the type of person that's chasing fame. I think
32:43
Speaker 1: it's all it's all to better himself as an artist.
32:47
Speaker 1: What's the next record? Next record is Beautiful People, Beautiful
32:50
Speaker 1: People featuring a lad Well. Why could lead for this
32:59
Speaker 1: particular regged you don't think he's a beautiful person? No,
33:03
Speaker 1: he didn't know. I mean a couple of reasons. His
33:05
Speaker 1: voice is so crisp and warm and soulful, but in
33:09
Speaker 1: a very weird way. He's got he's got runs that
33:11
Speaker 1: aren't soul runs. He's got runs that are more folk music.
33:14
Speaker 1: Like he kind of he kind of he's a soul
33:17
Speaker 1: singer who sings like a folk artist is It's a
33:19
Speaker 1: very he sings in a very unique way. But that
33:22
Speaker 1: song for me is warmth. It just feels cozy, and
33:26
Speaker 1: that sounds weird to say. His voice is cozy as well,
33:28
Speaker 1: but that was like my initial thing. He's definitely the
33:31
Speaker 1: same as me. He doesn't really strike me as someone
33:33
Speaker 1: who's glitz and glam. Well, how unhappy were you living
33:36
Speaker 1: in early Miserable? I hated it. I hated it. Yeah,
33:39
Speaker 1: I'm now like I like going to LA because I
33:42
Speaker 1: go in for like three days and I see people
33:44
Speaker 1: I love and then I'm gone. But it's the same everywhere.
33:47
Speaker 1: Like I was miserable when I lived in New York
33:48
Speaker 1: as well, because it's just I just have to be home.
33:51
Speaker 1: It's like there's a book. There's a book that I
33:53
Speaker 1: read called His Dark Materials, and it's about parallel worlds
33:58
Speaker 1: and you basically there's this guy that has ane that
34:00
Speaker 1: can cut into other worlds and his dad's discovered the
34:03
Speaker 1: worlds before him, and his dad ended up dying because
34:05
Speaker 1: he was away from his world for so long and
34:07
Speaker 1: it justly drained him being in this other world. And
34:10
Speaker 1: for me, it's like being in not just England, but
34:13
Speaker 1: being in Suffolk just keeps my Even on tour, I'll
34:17
Speaker 1: like come back here and I'll feel revitalized and just
34:20
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not American. I don't belong in America.
34:23
Speaker 1: Just like you, living here, you'd probably get sad at
34:25
Speaker 1: some point and be like, I need to go back
34:27
Speaker 1: to Carolina, or I need to go back to Jack.
34:28
Speaker 1: Get fair as hurl him in here between all the
34:31
Speaker 1: beer and the fish and chips. I'm fair as fuck.
34:33
Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment where you felt like you
34:36
Speaker 1: were about to conform and become one of the beautiful people?
34:40
Speaker 1: I definitely did, though, I definitely did for like, yeah,
34:43
Speaker 1: for like six months, I was that was it. I
34:45
Speaker 1: was in and I was hanging out with fucking people
34:47
Speaker 1: that were on Disney shows once upon a time, and
34:49
Speaker 1: we were like, you know, hanging out in backyards. Every day.
34:53
Speaker 1: I'd meet someone new and I'd be like, oh, this
34:55
Speaker 1: is so and so who was on this movie? And
34:57
Speaker 1: then so and so who did this song? And just
35:00
Speaker 1: I don't know you kind of you kind of get
35:01
Speaker 1: sucked up in that world and there's always a different
35:03
Speaker 1: event to go to. You go to one Oak, or
35:04
Speaker 1: you go to fucking is it beatsy bellows, and there's
35:06
Speaker 1: there's always something on and it's just that every single day,
35:09
Speaker 1: every single day, and it just I just felt myself
35:11
Speaker 1: getting a bit drained from it. Why are they hard
35:13
Speaker 1: for people to be themselves in the industry? And does
35:16
Speaker 1: the industry allowed it? Yes, it does, yeah, but you
35:18
Speaker 1: have to have success being yourself. So it's quite easy
35:20
Speaker 1: for me to be myself because I've been every every
35:22
Speaker 1: step of the way, every time i'd be myself, I've
35:24
Speaker 1: had success in it. But I think it's hard when
35:26
Speaker 1: you've had a lot of success musically, maybe doing something
35:29
Speaker 1: that you didn't leave in one hundred percent. You know,
35:30
Speaker 1: sometimes the success that you find isn't actually you being yourself.
35:34
Speaker 1: But also I think it's the fake it till you
35:36
Speaker 1: make your attitude of if you let people think you're successful,
35:39
Speaker 1: then you will eventually become successful, but you have to
35:41
Speaker 1: really put that on. I think I just think being
35:44
Speaker 1: yourself is so powerful and I feel like a beautiful
35:47
Speaker 1: person without sounding weird about it, but because of it.
35:51
Speaker 1: I have now a confidence in myself because because of
35:53
Speaker 1: being myself, all of these great things have happened. So
35:56
Speaker 1: now I can I can walk into it an awards
35:58
Speaker 1: show addressed however I want, and be super confident about
36:01
Speaker 1: it because it's like I've I've done what I because
36:03
Speaker 1: to achieved without compromising. Imagine like when you were standing
36:06
Speaker 1: next to Beyonce thege performing perfit great moment in Johannesburg.
36:11
Speaker 1: If you if you're paying attention to what you should
36:12
Speaker 1: actually be painting attile, which is just a talent, You're like, damn,
36:14
Speaker 1: that was a great due. But then you go look
36:16
Speaker 1: online everybody's clowning you because how you looked standing next
36:20
Speaker 1: to her what you were wearing. Well, well, I know,
36:22
Speaker 1: but I think the main argument was just men and
36:24
Speaker 1: women's stands standards being held. The main thing was just like,
36:27
Speaker 1: look at this, He's allowed to wear that and she
36:29
Speaker 1: is allowed to wear that, when really what they should
36:31
Speaker 1: have been saying is like they've both made a choice
36:33
Speaker 1: to do this, like Beyonce and wear whatever the hell
36:35
Speaker 1: she wants, and I can wear whatever the hell I want,
36:37
Speaker 1: and that is because we've we've worked to be where
36:40
Speaker 1: we are to be able to do that. I quite
36:42
Speaker 1: I quite liked that. I found that quite quite funny
36:44
Speaker 1: because it was it was ridiculous. You look at it
36:46
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, actually that's pretty weird. And like
36:49
Speaker 1: the skate company that I was wearing the T shirt
36:51
Speaker 1: off were like really excited about it because it was
36:53
Speaker 1: on every single blog in the world and they were
36:54
Speaker 1: having people by the T shirt. They wanted to send
36:57
Speaker 1: one to Beyonce, but I was like, I don't know
36:59
Speaker 1: if she'd I always say this is the kids that
37:03
Speaker 1: get meet. A lot of kids and their dads are like,
37:06
Speaker 1: they're going through a tough time at school, and I'm like,
37:09
Speaker 1: although it's like super tough. Now, that's the best thing
37:12
Speaker 1: that can happen for you. If you fit in. You're
37:14
Speaker 1: just boring, you know, you're just you're just one of
37:16
Speaker 1: many people. If you're like there was this one kid
37:20
Speaker 1: the other day and she was like proper out there,
37:22
Speaker 1: proper quirky, and I was like, you're going to be
37:23
Speaker 1: such an interesting adult and you're going to do such
37:25
Speaker 1: an interesting job because you're you're allowed to be artistic
37:29
Speaker 1: and don't let anyone fucking dim your light, like you
37:31
Speaker 1: should always shine as as as bright as that. But
37:34
Speaker 1: it's about instilling confidence in people. And I think me
37:38
Speaker 1: having success, I can say to her, look, I was
37:40
Speaker 1: really weird and I've managed to have success. So if
37:42
Speaker 1: you just carry on doing you you're you're you're going
37:45
Speaker 1: to have the same thing. Yeah, it's like wife been
37:47
Speaker 1: in when you're born to stand out. Like That's why
37:48
Speaker 1: I feel like all of us have our very own
37:50
Speaker 1: unique DNA. They can't be duplicated. There's there's no one
37:54
Speaker 1: in the world that can do what you do, but
37:57
Speaker 1: there is someone in the world that's going to try
37:58
Speaker 1: and they're going to fail because they should be doing
38:00
Speaker 1: what they do best. Absolutely. So the next song is
38:03
Speaker 1: I don't want your money with her? Fuck your money?
38:11
Speaker 1: You really wash your time slicely Yeah, And I find
38:13
Speaker 1: myself always always thinking like why I'm out on the
38:17
Speaker 1: road as much as I am, and now I always
38:19
Speaker 1: come back to the conclusion is because I love it.
38:21
Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's some something has to give,
38:25
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm starting starting a life with Cherry
38:28
Speaker 1: and I'm not twenty anymore. I can't go on the
38:31
Speaker 1: road for three years and not come home. Do you
38:33
Speaker 1: have guilt? Because you're not around, no, because I think
38:37
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's unhealthy because I'm only
38:40
Speaker 1: not around because I'm living my dream trying to achieve,
38:44
Speaker 1: And I think it's unhealthy to feel guilty about wanting success.
38:48
Speaker 1: But I definitely I feel like I'm missing out. I don't.
38:50
Speaker 1: I think there's not so much guilt and that, but
38:52
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I'm missing out on a lot
38:54
Speaker 1: of things. You know, But it wasn't just with when
38:57
Speaker 1: I was with Cherry. It was like I missed like everything,
39:00
Speaker 1: go one of my friend's birthday parties or events or
39:03
Speaker 1: New Years or stuff stuff like that. So I feel
39:05
Speaker 1: like parents getting older. Yeah, well, actually I mean saying
39:08
Speaker 1: that like that my success has allowed them to slow down.
39:12
Speaker 1: And you know, my dad doesn't work anymore and he
39:14
Speaker 1: can come out and talk. I actually had more quality
39:16
Speaker 1: time with my dad now because it's allowed that to happen.
39:20
Speaker 1: At what point did you realize it wasn't about money,
39:23
Speaker 1: it was about you know, your time? At what point
39:26
Speaker 1: did you realize that sounds a bit ridiculous. But when
39:29
Speaker 1: you discover something like a private jet and you're like,
39:32
Speaker 1: I can buy another day with Cherry, I could I
39:36
Speaker 1: can wait till tomorrow and fly home at five pm.
39:38
Speaker 1: Or I can book a jet now and I can
39:39
Speaker 1: fly home and I can gain an entire day. When
39:42
Speaker 1: when I was like, money isn't the object, but time
39:47
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'd rather I'd rather spend more time
39:49
Speaker 1: with you than save more money. Basically, if other ethnic
39:51
Speaker 1: because you need the money, yeah, you'd be able to
39:54
Speaker 1: create those those opportunities, and that's quite you know, that's
39:57
Speaker 1: a very sort of first world problem have. I will
40:00
Speaker 1: always turn down every single offer for like New Year's
40:03
Speaker 1: Eve gigs, just because like I'd rather spend it with
40:06
Speaker 1: my family and friends. And it happened very early on
40:08
Speaker 1: in my career because I never wanted for much, and
40:11
Speaker 1: I've i achieved a level of success financially very early
40:16
Speaker 1: on that I was happy with. So ever since then,
40:18
Speaker 1: I can now can't be bought because I don't need it, Like,
40:21
Speaker 1: but that isn't because I've now doing a stadium. So
40:25
Speaker 1: that was like back then doing theaters, I was like, well,
40:27
Speaker 1: I don't fucking earn by playing the songs I want
40:29
Speaker 1: to play. Why would I need to be able to
40:31
Speaker 1: be bought basically, And you said, you know, you go
40:34
Speaker 1: on a road because you love going on the road. Yeah,
40:36
Speaker 1: I really love it. So there ever a time where
40:38
Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, what do you love more?
40:39
Speaker 1: Do I love going on the road or do I
40:41
Speaker 1: love my wife? Um no, because again she she understands
40:46
Speaker 1: and she comes out on the I mean she's got
40:47
Speaker 1: an office job, so she doesn't come out as much
40:49
Speaker 1: as she would like to. When you're so busy and
40:52
Speaker 1: you're always doing a whole bunch of everything, sometimes it's
40:54
Speaker 1: good to just sit down and do nothing, to watch
40:56
Speaker 1: that movie for the hundredth of time, Like, yeah, watched
40:59
Speaker 1: the War War again. I feel like I feel like
41:02
Speaker 1: doing nothing makes me want to work hard again. So
41:04
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like I need to do nothing,
41:05
Speaker 1: because it reminds me that I do love working. Only
41:09
Speaker 1: will get more compile kid than once we have kids. Yeah,
41:11
Speaker 1: but I think I think kids are are different because instantly,
41:15
Speaker 1: whenever I've spoken to parents, it's like your life ceases
41:19
Speaker 1: to exist for you anymore. Your life is for your kids.
41:22
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't think i'd have it any
41:23
Speaker 1: problem sacrificing things that I enjoy for them. If it
41:27
Speaker 1: was really like, you can't tour for the next ten years.
41:29
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, that's why I signed up for
41:30
Speaker 1: I've had kids, so true, you know, you could you know,
41:32
Speaker 1: there's lots of things that people have to stop when
41:35
Speaker 1: they have kids. Why'd you pick her for that particular record?
41:38
Speaker 1: Because I've really I really liked her album and became
41:40
Speaker 1: a fan from her from there. When I found out
41:42
Speaker 1: she was a fan of me, I then asked her
41:44
Speaker 1: to be on this because you can't ever assume that
41:47
Speaker 1: people just want to do records with you. What's the
41:48
Speaker 1: next one? Well, we yet, well we yat thousand Nights
41:52
Speaker 1: with Meek Mill and a Boogie. It is being off
42:00
Speaker 1: for a thousand night to me touring. You know, I've
42:03
Speaker 1: been on tour for I mean it's not technically a
42:05
Speaker 1: thousand nights but almost like seven eight, eight hundred knights
42:08
Speaker 1: on tour, so it's basically New York to London's different
42:11
Speaker 1: city every day. That all become a blur, to become
42:13
Speaker 1: redundant when you out there like that. It definitely did,
42:16
Speaker 1: Like so I don't really remember to twenty fourteen, two
42:19
Speaker 1: and fifteen, Yeah it does. It does all become a blur.
42:21
Speaker 1: But then I now bring my best friends on tour.
42:24
Speaker 1: So I've got four best friends out with me and
42:26
Speaker 1: we enjoy it all together now, so it's not really
42:28
Speaker 1: a blur because we remember going to nice dinners and
42:30
Speaker 1: then we go out to nice things and then go
42:33
Speaker 1: back to my hotel room and like, have a bottle
42:35
Speaker 1: of wine. Why did you grab Meek An a bookie
42:37
Speaker 1: for that record, because I don't think I don't think
42:38
Speaker 1: they can relate yet to that level of touring. Well.
42:43
Speaker 1: For me, originally, I had a different beata. I had
42:45
Speaker 1: a different beat originally, and when I've made the beat,
42:49
Speaker 1: it was and Meek actually said it when I played
42:51
Speaker 1: it to me, he was like, you know my tempo,
42:52
Speaker 1: and for me, it just sounded like a Meek song.
42:54
Speaker 1: It just sounded like a Meek song. I always try
42:56
Speaker 1: and go two verses. I always try and go for two,
42:58
Speaker 1: like twenty four bars and it's done sixteen butters, and
43:01
Speaker 1: it just seems too short. And I just thought a
43:04
Speaker 1: hoodie season and I thought I'd reach out to him.
43:07
Speaker 1: What's the next record? The next record is put It
43:09
Speaker 1: puts It All on Me with Lame You like this one?
43:12
Speaker 1: I like their torn yeah you front when you say
43:19
Speaker 1: it's hard to make records about love. Bro, that's another
43:22
Speaker 1: love record right there. And I've made so many records
43:26
Speaker 1: though for this project, so many, Like obviously now you're
43:28
Speaker 1: hearing the end products and you're like, oh, like it
43:30
Speaker 1: must be easy to write love songs. But I'd write
43:33
Speaker 1: so many songs and then I just picked the best ones,
43:34
Speaker 1: so then they end up being the good ones, the
43:37
Speaker 1: good the good love songs. But there, I like the
43:40
Speaker 1: Up Temple Love record all, like everything don't have to
43:42
Speaker 1: be thinking out loud. I'm I'm meThe Man and Mary J. Blige.
43:46
Speaker 1: All I need remix. That's what me and my wife
43:47
Speaker 1: dance to it all wdding you know what I'm saying.
43:49
Speaker 1: That's what's good to have those Up Temple Love records.
43:51
Speaker 1: Why you why DoD you choose Lam for that one? Well,
43:54
Speaker 1: I like the rest of the world. Herd boot up
43:57
Speaker 1: And then I found out she's from Mitchell in London,
44:00
Speaker 1: which blew my mind because I just didn't know she
44:02
Speaker 1: because like, it's so it's so rare, one for English
44:06
Speaker 1: people to have success in America, but two for people
44:08
Speaker 1: to have English people to have success in America before England.
44:11
Speaker 1: She's big there before, but before here, So I was
44:14
Speaker 1: intrigued by her anyway, but someone I knew had to
44:16
Speaker 1: contact for her. So when when we were making that song,
44:19
Speaker 1: I remember we were saying, what girl, what girl? Do
44:22
Speaker 1: we know that we could we could go on this,
44:23
Speaker 1: and me and Fred, who made the tune, were both like,
44:26
Speaker 1: we should get Lama and I was like, I know
44:27
Speaker 1: someone that knows her. So we had that wrapped up
44:30
Speaker 1: I think like within two days, because usually you do
44:33
Speaker 1: the song and then you have to get in touch
44:35
Speaker 1: with the artist and then it's finding a day to
44:36
Speaker 1: do a studio. We sent it off to Lma the
44:38
Speaker 1: day that we wrote it, and then I think she'd
44:40
Speaker 1: recorded her bits two days later. I don't even know
44:42
Speaker 1: she was from the UK till I heard her album, Yeah,
44:45
Speaker 1: because in between she's talking and you hear the accident yea,
44:49
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, she's from the UK. I
44:50
Speaker 1: an't even realize it. Yeah, and she's she's super sweet,
44:53
Speaker 1: but I just didn't expect her to be English. She's
44:57
Speaker 1: got the same the same kind of thing that I
44:58
Speaker 1: was saying about Kalidas. There's a way that she sings
45:01
Speaker 1: and the riffs that she she she does she'll go
45:04
Speaker 1: hard and soft and hard and soft in her vocal tones.
45:08
Speaker 1: It's a kind of operatic, kind of a sort. I
45:12
Speaker 1: don't know if she's classically trained or not, but it's
45:14
Speaker 1: a very different way of singing. When you do a
45:16
Speaker 1: collad with somebody like Alameda, you feel the need to
45:19
Speaker 1: even in the future, can still leave say hey, I
45:22
Speaker 1: wrote this for you just to keep the London thing up. Yeah,
45:26
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, like as I said yesterday, I
45:28
Speaker 1: mean like it depends on timings and stuff. But if
45:31
Speaker 1: anyone gave me their time to work on this, like
45:34
Speaker 1: I'm whether whether it just be any small favor in
45:37
Speaker 1: the future, I'm I'm always I'm always going to be
45:40
Speaker 1: there to do to do something or after this record,
45:42
Speaker 1: I'm going to go away for a bit. So I
45:44
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to be releasing anything like that.
45:47
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just really appreciate that people are giving
45:49
Speaker 1: me the time. You know. So this is feels with
45:52
Speaker 1: Young Thug and Jay Hussy. You're not doing these records
46:00
Speaker 1: because you know of who's hat. You're doing these records
46:03
Speaker 1: because you actually like these people. So what what did
46:06
Speaker 1: you like about a Young Dog? I mean, I felt
46:08
Speaker 1: I first heard him when he did the Rich Gang
46:11
Speaker 1: did a lot of shit, just a live stuff, and
46:15
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't really get it. And then it
46:17
Speaker 1: was more I think it was that that that Jeffrey
46:20
Speaker 1: project that really made me understand it. And he's got
46:23
Speaker 1: he's got a tone that is sometimes you don't understand
46:26
Speaker 1: what he's saying, but it kind of like the way
46:29
Speaker 1: that he does it is just musical. Yeah, So I
46:32
Speaker 1: was always very intrigued to work with him. House is
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Speaker 1: someone I've always wanted to work with. There's not really
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Speaker 1: anyone like him in the UK industry, so in his
46:41
Speaker 1: own lane. The worst thing I find is when you
46:43
Speaker 1: have latantly like label things where it is just they
46:45
Speaker 1: leave like a sixteen at the end and it's the worst. Yeah,
46:49
Speaker 1: And I never wanted to do that with House. I
46:51
Speaker 1: feel like, if you're going to do a song with House,
46:53
Speaker 1: it needs to fit in. I got his number and
46:55
Speaker 1: then my face timing. But usually every single person I've
46:58
Speaker 1: worked with, I've never not some sort of relationship with
47:01
Speaker 1: with with with them, So I hope I get to
47:04
Speaker 1: meet singles. I would think that's a difficult record to
47:12
Speaker 1: write because that's about heartbreak. Yeah, like you would love
47:16
Speaker 1: That was written from imagining what it would like now.
47:19
Speaker 1: Now it's all scenarios rather rather than like things that
47:22
Speaker 1: have actually happened in terms of like writing writing breakup songs.
47:26
Speaker 1: And I need you to dismiss those negative thoughts out
47:28
Speaker 1: in mine. Okay, I'm gonna tell you a person, like,
47:30
Speaker 1: whatever I want to happen, I constantly think about things
47:33
Speaker 1: I don't want to happen. I don't think about it
47:34
Speaker 1: at all. Are same. I know that my job is
47:37
Speaker 1: writing songs, So sometimes you just have to write songs,
47:39
Speaker 1: you know, Like people who write murder mystery books don't
47:42
Speaker 1: want to get murdered in their sleep. They're just they
47:44
Speaker 1: write books about murder. So that's not necessarily about you. No, No,
47:49
Speaker 1: that's that's like if it were to happen, that would
47:52
Speaker 1: be my reaction, and it's for whoever needs it, because
47:56
Speaker 1: somebody out there probably going through that. There's so many
47:58
Speaker 1: people that make songs that aren't necessarily reflecting the situation
48:03
Speaker 1: that they're in at that time. Oh, trust me, but
48:05
Speaker 1: we've all but we've all felt that. Yeah. I listened
48:07
Speaker 1: to a lot of hip hop. Okay, there's a lot
48:10
Speaker 1: of people saying some things that they are not really living. Yes,
48:13
Speaker 1: I get it. Well, it's rebably tallen on the road.
48:15
Speaker 1: Screw X, I mean i've I've I've worked with him before.
48:19
Speaker 1: We actually have a great fucking story about screw X.
48:21
Speaker 1: He came to Chicago to work on track. Afterwards he
48:26
Speaker 1: was like, let's go out to the bar. So just
48:29
Speaker 1: me and him and my touring crew went when out
48:31
Speaker 1: of this bar and he was like, fuck, man, this
48:33
Speaker 1: this bar sucks. Like the music, like the music is
48:36
Speaker 1: just not It was like they were I don't know
48:38
Speaker 1: what was happening, and he was just like, I got
48:40
Speaker 1: my laptop in my back, Shu, I just do a set.
48:43
Speaker 1: They were like okay, And so Screwlex got up in
48:45
Speaker 1: this like bar in the middle of nowhere in Chicago
48:49
Speaker 1: and just did a three hour set for anyone in
48:53
Speaker 1: the bar. And they just locked the doors and just
48:54
Speaker 1: kept every running. It was amazing. How did you know
49:02
Speaker 1: Dave was gonna be good for this record? Because everything
49:04
Speaker 1: I've heard from Dame that you let me here because
49:05
Speaker 1: you put me on a name, it was like deep. Well,
49:08
Speaker 1: I gave him, I gave him a deep song. I
49:10
Speaker 1: gave him the choice to two get because I really
49:13
Speaker 1: really wants to get him on the project. So I
49:14
Speaker 1: did two songs and he chose that one. But I think,
49:17
Speaker 1: you know, he's I think it's good to have him
49:19
Speaker 1: on something a little bit different because he does a
49:21
Speaker 1: lot of deep stuff for his stuff, yakul Amory no
49:24
Speaker 1: more than just music store. Right. Yeah, we did a
49:27
Speaker 1: love Music Hate Racism interview. I like that whole concept
49:30
Speaker 1: of the love love music heat reef. You know, with
49:33
Speaker 1: both from two totally different parts of England and from
49:37
Speaker 1: totally different backgrounds and coming together and just talking. It's
49:41
Speaker 1: good to show how it can be completely normal. Yeah,
49:44
Speaker 1: I met him. There's an awarch over here called the
49:47
Speaker 1: Ivan Novellos and they have like three main awards, like
49:51
Speaker 1: there's best Song, most Played Song, and then Songwriter of
49:54
Speaker 1: the Year and that's and and that's it. And he
49:57
Speaker 1: I won a song Likeright the Year and he won
49:58
Speaker 1: Best Song and the they're like really difficult with it.
50:01
Speaker 1: There's only like three of them. Yeah, they're really difficult
50:03
Speaker 1: to win. So I met I met him there and
50:06
Speaker 1: we kind of swapped emails and we've just been back
50:08
Speaker 1: and forth. I kind of like talking to I say,
50:10
Speaker 1: up and coming people, but I love I love the
50:12
Speaker 1: kind of new wave coming through and it was one
50:14
Speaker 1: of those things that I'm putting the projects together. It
50:16
Speaker 1: would just feel like a bit of a shame not
50:17
Speaker 1: to have him on it, so I'm glad we could
50:20
Speaker 1: make it work. The other artist is a guy from
50:23
Speaker 1: Argentina that I've recently become a fan of called Paolo
50:26
Speaker 1: Longer we got him on, really like him. Listen Man
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Speaker 1: number six, Thank you for having me. Rong, nice one.