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Houston No Problem For These Tigs · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Norwork, a Detroit Tigers podcast. I have
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Speaker 1: Caris Decly and I got with me two stars from
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Speaker 1: the Lone Star State, Austin Jackson Cody Stavenhagen. What's up, fellas?
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Speaker 2: How we doing Always good man, always good when I'm
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Speaker 2: with you guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, doing good here talking about the lone Star State.
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Speaker 3: But the team from the Lone Star State did not
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Speaker 3: have a very good week in Detroit. Tigers took all
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Speaker 3: three from the Astros outscored them. What's seventeen to two?
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Speaker 1: Eighteen?
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Speaker 3: We get eighteen to two. We got an awesome game
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Speaker 3: Tuesday Nightjanoh, total pitching duel, and then we got two
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Speaker 3: games that were pretty lopsided. The Astros want some fumes
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Speaker 3: right now, and the Tigers kind of got their swagger back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's actually kind of where I wanted
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Speaker 1: to start, and we'll dive into Tuesday specifically here in
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Speaker 1: a second. But when I guess kind of look at
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Speaker 1: the overall, like how the series played out, you have
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Speaker 1: the blowout Game one, you know, things happened, you know,
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Speaker 1: wash it away. Then you have that epic pitching dual.
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Speaker 1: Game two obviously a game that when it's won nothing
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Speaker 1: in extra innings, any team could have won, so we
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Speaker 1: understand that. And then and then Game three, where you
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Speaker 1: know there's some pride there, still great pitching that the
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Speaker 1: Astros are thrown out there and the Tigers score five
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Speaker 1: runs without recording out and even though it was really early,
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Speaker 1: it just kind of felt like they were collapsing day
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Speaker 1: being Houston, of course, and the Tigers get the sweep
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Speaker 1: here and we didn't get a chance to talk about
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Speaker 1: it in our last episode, but I told Cody off Arrows, like,
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Speaker 1: this is kind of low key, like one of the
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Speaker 1: more important series of the season, because the Astros are
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Speaker 1: the team that you're gonna have to beat if you
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Speaker 1: want to have a top two seed, or one of
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Speaker 1: the teams that you're gonna have to be in order
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Speaker 1: to have a top two seed and get into that
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Speaker 1: best of five divisional round. And the Tigers took care
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Speaker 1: of business. They took their business like.
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Speaker 3: Like, not just the record, Karen, there's tiebreaker implications too.
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Speaker 3: The Tigers now hold the season head to head tiebreaker
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Speaker 3: over the Astros, so in the event they were to
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Speaker 3: finish with the same record, Tigers would went out and
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Speaker 3: get the higher see in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: And and we we can't look over the fact that
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Speaker 2: they played a playoff contented team final League, which everybody
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Speaker 2: wanted to see if this this Tiger's team was for
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Speaker 2: real after playing Minnesota and Chicago and people were kind
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Speaker 2: of expecting that and wanted to see what they were
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Speaker 2: going to do against a really good team. Well, hey,
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Speaker 2: it happened, and you know, they respried it really well
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Speaker 2: and it was it was. Yeah, there was a few
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Speaker 2: lopsided games, right, but that's the type of game that
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Speaker 2: you count. You want, you want to establish yourself as
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Speaker 2: being the dominant team, and I really think they did that.
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Speaker 4: Austin.
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Speaker 3: How much stake do you put into that, like who
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Speaker 3: you are playing, because some people say it's not who
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Speaker 3: you play, it's when you play them. A couple of
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Speaker 3: weeks ago, the Tigers played the Twins after they traded
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Speaker 3: half their team and lost that series. The Twins randomly
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Speaker 3: were playing really good ball. Here you sweep the Astros,
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Speaker 3: but man, they didn't score for twenty eight innings, but
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Speaker 3: you also beat Hunter Brown and from Bervaldez. Like that's
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Speaker 3: not nothing either.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely I mean, hey, it definitely doesn't matter, you know,
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Speaker 2: what the record says at that time. Like you said,
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Speaker 2: it matters a lot more. You know, if they're hot
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Speaker 2: right now, if they're cold, A lot of those things
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Speaker 2: matter because anybody can be beat in the big leagues
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Speaker 2: at any given day. I don't care what the record says.
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Speaker 2: But when you're facing a team obviously like the Astros,
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Speaker 2: which you know their pedigree, you know what they're capable of.
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Speaker 2: They're capable of putting some lopsided numbers up there, just
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Speaker 2: like the Tigers are.
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Speaker 4: But the way that they handled.
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Speaker 2: That series, I really feel that it's it more goes
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Speaker 2: to say the way that the Tigers are right now,
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Speaker 2: I think they're starting to, you know, get out of
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Speaker 2: that place where they were trying to kind of figure
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Speaker 2: things out, figure out how to manufacture runs, figure out
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Speaker 2: if the pitcher get carried them through games.
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Speaker 4: I think they're starting to kind of trend towards the team.
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Speaker 2: That they need to be coming to it coming towards
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Speaker 2: the end of the season.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I and I like that you
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Speaker 1: mentioned pedigree because lost in everything and you know, with
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Speaker 1: Regman not being there and the Kyle Tucker trade is
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Speaker 1: that you know, it's like, oh, right, maybe this is
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Speaker 1: a different iteration of the Astros, and in a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases that is true. But it's just still a
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Speaker 1: team with a lot of championship DNA. They just got
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Speaker 1: back Korea, mind you. So like that's part of the
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Speaker 1: that that was part of the Twins exit strategy as well.
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Speaker 1: So like I took that all into account in terms
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Speaker 1: of like how this was really important. And I like
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Speaker 1: Cody that you brought up the tiebreaker element because there's
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Speaker 1: I would I don't. I'm not gonna say like the
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Speaker 1: Tigers have doubters, but the voices of doubt we're quite
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Speaker 1: high during that twelve loss and thirteen game stretch and
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Speaker 1: then not doing anything overly sexy at the trade deadline,
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Speaker 1: and so like coming you know, having in Houston, come
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Speaker 1: in a team that has everything to play for. Again
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Speaker 1: with that DNA, you're playing your ball. You won in
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Speaker 1: a variety of different ways, not even with you know,
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Speaker 1: they're not the healthiest they've been you know, all season either, Right,
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Speaker 1: So like this actually felt largely important, and I'm glad
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Speaker 1: that we're kind of focusing in on that because sometimes
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Speaker 1: you kind of say, like, oh, it's just another series,
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Speaker 1: and maybe it is, but at the same time, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, it felt kind of big. It felt kind
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Speaker 1: of big, and Cody, you were there, particularly Tuesday night,
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Speaker 1: definitely felt very big. Nationally broadcast game, Schooble versus Brown.
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Speaker 1: We've probably gone too long without kind of focusing and
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Speaker 1: on that. Just kind of take us there, take us
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Speaker 1: to that environment at Camerica Park, and then just like
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Speaker 1: the craziness of that game, with the with the content
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Speaker 1: versal call at home plate, then obviously the walk walk off.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I can say anything that's not obvious,
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Speaker 3: but it was one of the better games at Comerica
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Speaker 3: Park all year in terms of both atmosphere and what
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Speaker 3: happened in the field Tuesday night. But it was a
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Speaker 3: really good crowd. I mean, it was a Schoogle game.
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Speaker 3: The people show up and it was Hunter Brown, a
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Speaker 3: hometown kid. You had a lot of Brown jerseys above
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Speaker 3: the Astros dugout. You had the weather delay, which was unfortunate,
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Speaker 3: but in the late innings it's missing kind of raining.
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Speaker 3: No one was leaving their seat, man, and it was
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Speaker 3: I think once you got into the third, fourth, fifth inning,
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Speaker 3: and it was like it's still zero zero. You could
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Speaker 3: start to feel the weight of every pitch. Like I
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Speaker 3: always measure a good crowd, not by how many people
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Speaker 3: are there, not necessarily by how loud it gets at
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Speaker 3: its peak, but like, do you feel the crowd on
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Speaker 3: every single pitch? Do you hear the oohs, the ohs
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Speaker 3: and the eh and you were you were feeling that,
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Speaker 3: which I think was a great sign. Hasn't always been
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Speaker 3: like that some of the bigger ouds this year, it
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Speaker 3: definitely was Tuesday. They call it home plate.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Replay reviews have been weird all year. I didn't see
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Speaker 3: the tag like they were showing it over and over
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Speaker 3: on the scoreboard. I was like, what, he's safe, And
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Speaker 3: then they they confirmed the outcol and then turns out
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Speaker 3: the TV broadcast I think was showing better angles. I
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Speaker 3: went and watched it. I was like, Okay, you can
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Speaker 3: definitely see some kind of contact there.
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Speaker 4: Uh no, no, you know how the replay is funny.
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Speaker 4: It's like text messages.
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Speaker 2: You know they read funny, sometimes meaning it in a happy,
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Speaker 2: go lucky way, but you know you took it.
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Speaker 4: The wrong way. So I mean that's that's how those
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Speaker 4: replays are.
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Speaker 2: They're just kind of you know, they can read funny sometimes,
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Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to see a tag. I'm I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to see. I'm like, I see it, I don't see
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Speaker 2: it with his hand moved. Well, I mean, okay, he's
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Speaker 2: trying to test the plate. All I'm saying is those
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Speaker 2: replays reached funny. Sometimes I didn't see it. Doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: that he didn't apply it. I just didn't see it.
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Speaker 3: I will definitely would have expected stands instead of confirmed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say that Andy Dirk's front of the
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Speaker 1: podcast and Dan Diggerson were both like, yeah, he's in there.
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Speaker 1: Like on the radio broadcast, they were shocked. They were
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Speaker 1: shocked when it came back call confirmed and and but
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Speaker 1: all that hooplob about whether the tag got there didn't
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Speaker 1: get there. I don't want to take away from a
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Speaker 1: great relay Boom Carrie to Glaber. That was that was
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Speaker 1: textbook both you know, both guys executed that perfectly because
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Speaker 1: whether he got in or didn't get in, the throw
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Speaker 1: beat him like like like like cleanly.
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Speaker 3: In the fast Guy because he was rounding the bases.
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Speaker 3: I was like, they have no chance, Like this is
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Speaker 3: not even going to be a play. Carrie got to
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Speaker 3: that ball and got it out of his glove and
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Speaker 3: to glater, real quick change the whole complexion to even
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Speaker 3: have a shot.
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Speaker 2: But he made some really, he made some good plays
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Speaker 2: this series. He looked really good out there. The legs
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Speaker 2: look good. I mean again, I I'm just guessing that
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Speaker 2: that's that. He is a big reason why they didn't
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Speaker 2: get crazy in this trade this, you know, in the
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Speaker 2: trade deadline, because they were like, nah, man, we got
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Speaker 2: car Like I think we when our guy gets back,
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Speaker 2: we know what he's gonna do.
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Speaker 4: And he's been doing it.
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Speaker 3: He's been doing it out even times lately.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, sir, it is there. Bro, it's different.
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Speaker 2: He's just the presence that he adds to a lineup
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Speaker 2: and where you can hit him. It's just it's phenomenal
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Speaker 2: that he's able. You can plug him anywhere in that
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Speaker 2: lineup and he's just dangerous. He's a dangerous at you know,
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Speaker 2: back to having that lineup again anywhere though, you know,
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Speaker 2: you can really put him anywhere and he can change
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Speaker 2: the game of one swing. And it was awesome to
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Speaker 2: see him make some defensive plays that it absolutely changed
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Speaker 2: the game as well.
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Speaker 1: And and That's sort of why I thought, like Wednesday
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Speaker 1: almost had Friday, but you know Wednesday end of series. Uh,
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Speaker 1: like that game could have been one of those just
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Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, we had the emotional Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: we had the blowout Monday Day game. They're playing for Pride.
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Speaker 1: They got they got Valdez on there, and and with
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Speaker 1: with him on the mound, you don't have Carpenter in
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Speaker 1: the lineup, and you don't have cold Keith who is
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Speaker 1: right hot in the lineup, and even Tray Sweeney who
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Speaker 1: was respect has been doing something, so like you don't
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Speaker 1: have those guys in the lineup, and then they get
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Speaker 1: off to that hot start. I mean, that was just
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Speaker 1: really impressive. It was it was like like I said
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Speaker 1: at the top, it was just a very impressive way
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Speaker 1: to win a series, to sweep a series. And then
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I think, uh, something that
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Speaker 1: I don't want to kind of get lost and and
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Speaker 1: everything is just how impressive the starting pitching was this series?
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Speaker 1: And you know, try not to be too reactionary. Was
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Speaker 1: it the best three game series they had gotten from
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Speaker 1: their starters of the season. I don't know, but given
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Speaker 1: all the circumstances that we've discussed, it might have been
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Speaker 1: the most impressive. Like, I like, does that seem like
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Speaker 1: an overreaction? Yeah, Flairty, what do you have? Nine k's?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 1: Like that? That was obviously great to see schoolbl Schooble
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Speaker 1: and then and then Charlie Morton today. Now you know,
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Speaker 1: you go into the second ending and you have a
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Speaker 1: six spot, like you know, makes things a little bit easier.
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Speaker 1: But he still managed to go six endings. He only
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Speaker 1: allowed three hits, he had the two runs in there,
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Speaker 1: but eight k's, you know, like, like this is a
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Speaker 1: this is a pretty good looking top three spot. Obviously
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Speaker 1: School wouldn't be number two, but top three spot in
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Speaker 1: the start in rotation. If they can pitch like this,
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Speaker 1: the games are big, if you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt the pitching has been better so far
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Speaker 3: this month. The early returns on the Scott Harris trade
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Speaker 3: deadline looking better than you might expect. The Tigers right
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Speaker 3: now have a two point eight eight bullpen era in August.
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Speaker 3: That's the third best in the league. I theorize that
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Speaker 3: has a little less to do with the bullpen and
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Speaker 3: more to do with the rotation. You've had some dudes
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Speaker 3: going deep in games, and for the better part of
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Speaker 3: this month, especially last three series, you've really only been
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Speaker 3: using your high leverage guys, with the exception of a
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Speaker 3: couple of games. I mean, this bullpen was totally fresh
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Speaker 3: today where Tyler Holton was pitching and a game that
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Speaker 3: was not close, and Rafael Montero got the ninth because
13:42
Speaker 3: you just had to get him in there. But you've
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Speaker 3: been able to avoid throwing some guys out there unless
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Speaker 3: than ideal situations, and that's what happens when you have
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Speaker 3: Jack Flaherty throwing closer to his best. Charlie Morton has
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Speaker 3: been quality in three of his four outings with the Tigers.
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Speaker 3: Definitely deserves a shout out for the way he phited
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Speaker 3: on Wednesday. It was really good. Obviously, you have Scooball
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Speaker 3: so your bullpen is naturally going to be better when
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Speaker 3: your starters are better. So far this month, I think
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Speaker 3: those two have been closely linked.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that that point.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think about that with the you know about
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Speaker 2: the starting pitching going a lot deeper, and this is
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Speaker 2: the time of the year where you you like to
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Speaker 2: see that, you'd like to see that your starting pitcher
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Speaker 2: is going a little bit deeper, giving those guys breaks
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Speaker 2: in the bullpen, right because this is going to be
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Speaker 2: the time when arms are needing to be a lot
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Speaker 2: more closer to fresh, right, you know, going going into
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Speaker 2: the postseason, especially looking like a team that can really
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Speaker 2: make a run in this in the postseason.
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Speaker 4: So I didn't think about that.
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Speaker 2: But what you're saying that, I'm like, you know what
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Speaker 2: that you know this these three these past three games.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is it the best that you know that
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Speaker 2: they've pitched so far? I don't know, but I like
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Speaker 2: to see it at this time though. I do like
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Speaker 2: to see these type of things with the pitching staff.
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Speaker 2: Obviously the offense is gonna be up and down, but
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Speaker 2: when we're talking about a pitching staff that's going out there,
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Speaker 2: and what you said was eighteen two eight two eighteen
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Speaker 2: to two. Hey man, you love to see that. I
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Speaker 2: don't care at what point in the season, but especially
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Speaker 2: right now, when your pitching staff can go a series
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Speaker 2: and give up two runs.
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Speaker 4: That's incredible. That's phenomenal, and that's gonna do.
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Speaker 2: That's gonna pay big dividends because not only did yes,
15:25
Speaker 2: they win these games and you can say whatever there
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Speaker 2: was there, you know, a few were lopsided, but again,
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Speaker 2: like we said, they did it against a team that
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Speaker 2: we know can make a playoff push as well.
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Speaker 4: So you love to see that against those type of
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Speaker 4: teams at this time of the year.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of I don't know, it's kind of fun
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Speaker 1: to I feel like we don't get to do it
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Speaker 1: this way in terms of just see starting pitchers go
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Speaker 1: six to seven like consecutively, like like it's kind of
15:57
Speaker 1: throwback might be too strong of a word, but we
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Speaker 1: talked about this before about just like the old school,
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Speaker 1: and really like Tuesday was a reminder of that too,
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Speaker 1: Like the old school kind of dominant starting pitcher role
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Speaker 1: as opposed to get you two times through the order
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Speaker 1: and then it's then it's uh, you know, lefty, righty
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Speaker 1: as much as you can with the minimum outs and
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Speaker 1: and you know, bring in, bring in four or five guys.
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Speaker 4: It was kind of fun.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of fun to watch, No, it was.
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Speaker 3: I mean I wrote I wrote about that game being
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Speaker 3: like a modern picture duel because the guys only went
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Speaker 3: six and seven and introspectively right. But and will Vast
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Speaker 3: had the great quote, uh after the game, if if
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Speaker 3: you guys didn't see it, talking about he was in
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Speaker 3: the in the bullpen and said to someone it reminded
16:40
Speaker 3: him of instructional League, where a coach took all the
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Speaker 3: pitching prospects, sat him down and made him watch a
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Speaker 3: Roger Clemens Pedro Martinez pitchure duel. And he said, like
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Speaker 3: half jokingly, but kind of seriously, do you think guys
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Speaker 3: a few years from now are gonna be watching Scoogle
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Speaker 3: face Hunter Brown. I don't know if it's quite the
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Speaker 3: same magnitude, but hey, Scoopl's legit and a Hunter browns legit.
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Speaker 3: And this might not be Pedro and Roger throwing uh
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Speaker 3: each throwing complete games, but it's about as close as
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Speaker 3: you're getting to that in in this era of baseball, this.
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Speaker 4: Modern day of baseball. Yeah, that's you.
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Speaker 2: You'll take that every day, because that's the closest to
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Speaker 2: you know, what we've seen in the past. You know,
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Speaker 2: so six seven innings, Hey, that's that's that's a complete game.
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Speaker 4: Almost might as well.
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Speaker 1: And it also allows us to not have to, like
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Speaker 1: as people who follow root for the Tigers. That allows
17:38
Speaker 1: us not to not have to like stress about like
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Speaker 1: every single arm that's in the pen and and sort
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Speaker 1: of the I don't know Cannery that that that's involved
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Speaker 1: with some of the rosters like that.
17:53
Speaker 3: I like it like that to look up the definition.
17:58
Speaker 4: Up, but I can kind of well, why you're doing that?
18:01
Speaker 3: The use of trickery to achieve a political, financial, or
18:05
Speaker 3: legal purpose.
18:06
Speaker 1: Nailed, because look, if you're if you're gonna send down
18:11
Speaker 1: a Brendan hannafye uh, and then you're gonna use kind
18:15
Speaker 1: of like that back end spot to like bring up
18:19
Speaker 1: a variety or lefty depending you know, make it almost serious.
18:21
Speaker 1: A series like like That's that gets people riled up
18:25
Speaker 1: when it's like, why is this guy being sent down
18:28
Speaker 1: when he doesn't deserve to be sent down? Obviously he's
18:30
Speaker 1: back up, But what's gonna happen against Kansas City?
18:33
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
18:34
Speaker 3: So hand if he's back, which is good because he
18:38
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have ever been sent down in the first place.
18:40
Speaker 3: But you're about to face the Royals. The Royals have
18:43
Speaker 3: I think five left handed hitters on their active roster,
18:47
Speaker 3: a couple of guys who could be coming off the
18:49
Speaker 3: il shortly. Tigers currently have one left handed pitcher in
18:54
Speaker 3: their bullpit. They just sent down Bailey Horn. He's not
18:57
Speaker 3: eligible to come up. So are you gonna a roll
19:00
Speaker 3: without any more lefties? That's not how they've been doing things.
19:04
Speaker 3: I think if someone were to get the call, could
19:06
Speaker 3: be Drew Summers, big lefty and triple A who's pitch well,
19:09
Speaker 3: could be making his debut. But to do that, you're
19:13
Speaker 3: gonna what are you gonna do? You're gonna send Hanni
19:15
Speaker 3: fee back down. You're gonna send down Troy Melton, could
19:18
Speaker 3: the King? Could they dfa Tommy Kinley?
19:21
Speaker 4: Right?
19:22
Speaker 3: I don't want to speculate too much because we're talking
19:23
Speaker 3: about someone's livelihood there, but uh, he hasn't pitched since Friday. A. J.
19:28
Speaker 3: Hinch says, I tell you what I think, based on
19:30
Speaker 3: how I use guys, that seems interesting. There have been
19:34
Speaker 3: some interesting decisions, and we got another one coming. I
19:37
Speaker 3: think in a couple of.
19:37
Speaker 1: Days, Austin, when do you like when when you're a
19:41
Speaker 1: player on the team, uh, and there's guys being you know,
19:46
Speaker 1: called up, sent down or dfad and in other cases
19:50
Speaker 1: do you not do you find out at the same
19:52
Speaker 1: time when Cody basically finds out, which is like whether
19:55
Speaker 1: this guy has a locker in the in the clubhouse
19:58
Speaker 1: or like how does that work from a from a
20:00
Speaker 1: guy in the team's perspective.
20:03
Speaker 2: I've I've found out different ways. You know, after the game,
20:08
Speaker 2: you know, when you walk in and you see a
20:09
Speaker 2: locker cleared and it's like, yo that you know, nobody
20:14
Speaker 2: really saw that coming. Obviously it was you know, for
20:17
Speaker 2: a reason maybe similar to what we're talking about right now.
20:21
Speaker 2: There's been other times where you know, the guy just
20:24
Speaker 2: literally is walking or you know, teammate is walking up
20:27
Speaker 2: and you know, hugging guys. We're like, what what do
20:31
Speaker 2: you why what do you you know? Why are you
20:34
Speaker 2: going down? Like I don't know, man, I'm like, you know,
20:37
Speaker 2: keep you know, and then you do your best as
20:38
Speaker 2: a teammate to you know, make them keep their head up,
20:43
Speaker 2: you know, try to encourage them, like basically telling them
20:46
Speaker 2: when you know like you're saying that this guy should
20:49
Speaker 2: be sitting down like you'll be back, and and you
20:51
Speaker 2: know nine times out of ten that that happens. You know,
20:54
Speaker 2: it's for reasons. It's for a specific reason like we're
20:57
Speaker 2: talking about. But it's never easy though either though, because
21:01
Speaker 2: you know, for a series, you we need more lefties,
21:03
Speaker 2: just like yeah, but I'm I'm, I'm I'm doing well,
21:06
Speaker 2: Why am.
21:07
Speaker 4: I being sent down? So it's always it's always.
21:09
Speaker 2: A tough, tough conversation, and I know it's probably tough
21:12
Speaker 2: for you know, the staff as well, but they have
21:15
Speaker 2: to make the tough decisions.
21:17
Speaker 4: And I'm so glad it's them that has to do
21:18
Speaker 4: that because you know, it's just it's just tough.
21:21
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, you know, you're talking about somebody's livelihood here,
21:24
Speaker 2: and when I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing
21:26
Speaker 2: at this level and just being asked to me and
21:29
Speaker 2: I'm being sent down, that's going real for a little
21:32
Speaker 2: feathers of me.
21:32
Speaker 4: But it also can light a little.
21:34
Speaker 2: Fire too, you know you think about that, like, Okay,
21:38
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure this never happens again, whether I'm
21:41
Speaker 2: you know, facing lefties or rights or whatever. I'm getting
21:43
Speaker 2: everybody out, you know, So I like that. I like that,
21:48
Speaker 2: you know, you have your your teammates to be able to,
21:52
Speaker 2: you know, support in those times because again I've seen
21:55
Speaker 2: it happen where it literally shocked everybody in the locker room.
21:59
Speaker 2: But there was he you know, the player has so
22:01
Speaker 2: much support and you know behind him, the guys, you know,
22:05
Speaker 2: basically saying what I just said, you know you'll be back.
22:07
Speaker 2: And like I said, nine times out of ten, it's happened.
22:10
Speaker 2: And they go down there and it lights a fact.
22:12
Speaker 2: They don't go down there and play around and feel
22:14
Speaker 2: bad for themselves. Know they have something to prove, even
22:17
Speaker 2: though they've been proving themselves. It's like, I'm gonna make
22:19
Speaker 2: sure this never happens again. So I've been there, I've
22:22
Speaker 2: seen it. It's it's tough, but it's a business.
22:26
Speaker 1: The maturity of AJAX rears its beautiful head once again
22:31
Speaker 1: a little bit.
22:32
Speaker 4: Man. I got the graves, I got some grades coming
22:35
Speaker 4: from somewhere, and that of my kids, I don't know.
22:39
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22:43
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, Austin, I was really curious
23:53
Speaker 1: because we've talked a lot about kind of the big
23:56
Speaker 1: picture stuff with the with the team this season, where
23:59
Speaker 1: they start obviously hot, ye have the twelve and thirteen
24:01
Speaker 1: stretch trade deadline, then it looks like, you know, the
24:04
Speaker 1: dog days of August, looks like they're they're pretty good there,
24:07
Speaker 1: they feel pretty good where they're at right there in
24:09
Speaker 1: that regard, we're now August twenty twenty. First, like we're
24:16
Speaker 1: late August now, So at what point, as I look
24:20
Speaker 1: at it, right now, the Tigers have a just over
24:23
Speaker 1: nine percent chance to win the World Series, whatever that means.
24:26
Speaker 1: At what point do you look at your squad and
24:28
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, I think I think we got some here.
24:33
Speaker 1: I think I think we got some here that that
24:35
Speaker 1: we can do some damage. I don't know if you
24:37
Speaker 1: go as far as to say like win the chip
24:39
Speaker 1: or you know, the padant or whatever, but just like,
24:41
Speaker 1: I feel like we actually got something here. Like at
24:43
Speaker 1: what point in the season is that a kind of
24:46
Speaker 1: like a firm statement that you either talk amongst yourselves
24:49
Speaker 1: or say to yourself or whatever.
24:52
Speaker 2: We Well, that's a good question, honestly, because I've played
24:54
Speaker 2: on a few different teams with you know, different talent levels.
25:01
Speaker 4: You know, it was with the Tigers.
25:02
Speaker 2: We had the best hitter and arguably the best pitcher
25:05
Speaker 2: in the league at that time, you know, and you
25:07
Speaker 2: you kind of feel those things in spring training. I
25:11
Speaker 2: don't know if this Tigers team wasn't sitting in spring
25:14
Speaker 2: training and feeling that same way.
25:16
Speaker 4: I don't know that.
25:17
Speaker 2: You know, possibly you always believe, right, but belief is
25:20
Speaker 2: just you know, it don't mean nothing to that record
25:23
Speaker 2: is lopsided, and then it's like, yeah, that belief is gone.
25:27
Speaker 2: But you know, I played in several different lockers and
25:31
Speaker 2: in spring training with the Tigers, you know, I think
25:34
Speaker 2: it was just we knew. We knew by looking around
25:39
Speaker 2: the clubhouse. I mean, we we just had guys. We
25:42
Speaker 2: had guys, and we had guys that that that at
25:46
Speaker 2: any given moment could step up and win a ball game.
25:50
Speaker 2: We had really good defensive players, we have really good hitters,
25:53
Speaker 2: really good picture staff. So during that time, it was
25:57
Speaker 2: like it was that that was the thought spring training,
26:01
Speaker 2: I know, we talked about Berlinerson, It's World Series are failed,
26:05
Speaker 2: you know, and so that was a mindset, you know,
26:09
Speaker 2: for us going into spring training and then going into
26:12
Speaker 2: the season. But there's there's no for sure really, because
26:17
Speaker 2: you can have all this belief that you want, but
26:19
Speaker 2: when that record is not matching the belief.
26:23
Speaker 4: Then what do you really have? You know what I mean?
26:26
Speaker 2: I think that at this point in the season, the
26:30
Speaker 2: records mean everything. You're looking at the standings and you're saying, yeah,
26:35
Speaker 2: like we are that team that we thought that we were.
26:37
Speaker 2: We've actually extended our lead even though we kind of,
26:41
Speaker 2: you know, we gave some teams some hope. We started
26:43
Speaker 2: to extend our lead. Yeah, we we are that team.
26:46
Speaker 2: We went through a little we hit our little slump
26:49
Speaker 2: for a little bit, but now we've we've kind of
26:52
Speaker 2: gotten over that hump and now we've extended that lead
26:55
Speaker 2: and now we're taking care of business again. I think
26:58
Speaker 2: we got this fellas. I think that we are the
27:00
Speaker 2: team we thought we were. We just needed to get
27:02
Speaker 2: over that humpy. They've done that. So I think honestly,
27:05
Speaker 2: they're sitting around and even during the little slump that
27:09
Speaker 2: they took, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go as
27:12
Speaker 2: far as to say that they started doubting anything. They
27:14
Speaker 2: might have started to wonder, hey man, when are we
27:17
Speaker 2: gonna get going.
27:18
Speaker 4: I think they still had that.
27:19
Speaker 2: Belief because to me, it looked like they were playing
27:21
Speaker 2: that way and some tough losses. But you know, a
27:26
Speaker 2: good team like this, when they do finally get over
27:30
Speaker 2: that hump a little bit, they take off again. You know,
27:34
Speaker 2: they take off in a way that it was like, Okay,
27:36
Speaker 2: this is who we who we who We've seen the
27:39
Speaker 2: majority of the season. So I think that it happens
27:42
Speaker 2: at different times in the seasons for different teams, For
27:45
Speaker 2: younger teams that just are out there scrapping and don't
27:49
Speaker 2: care about you know, you know, the stats and things
27:52
Speaker 2: like that. That team they have a belief all year
27:54
Speaker 2: long until the end, you know they're gonna fight all
27:57
Speaker 2: But you know, some veteran guys that know what it
27:59
Speaker 2: takes to go through those ups and downs throughout the season,
28:04
Speaker 2: they're looking at it a little bit different. You know, standings,
28:06
Speaker 2: I think mean of they mean everything. Again, you can
28:10
Speaker 2: believe all you want. At the end of the day,
28:12
Speaker 2: what does the record say? What what are our standings?
28:15
Speaker 2: And I think this team they I think they knew
28:18
Speaker 2: it at the beginning of August. I think they I
28:21
Speaker 2: think they knew it in spring training. I think that's
28:24
Speaker 2: that was their thought, is that they were going to
28:27
Speaker 2: go further than they did last year. So and but
28:29
Speaker 2: for me, I just I absolutely believed it. In spring
28:34
Speaker 2: training with other teams, it took looking up at the standings,
28:38
Speaker 2: seeing how many games you were behind, how many games
28:40
Speaker 2: you were ahead, and seeing who's healthy. The big thing
28:44
Speaker 2: is about who's healthy, right Like I played on teams
28:48
Speaker 2: were really good, but the health wasn't there, so you
28:51
Speaker 2: don't really know what what what you're dealing with at
28:53
Speaker 2: that point. Now guys start to become healthy again and
28:56
Speaker 2: get back out there, you're playing with the group of
28:59
Speaker 2: guys that you had in spring training, that belief goes up.
29:03
Speaker 2: I think this team has that belief right now, and
29:05
Speaker 2: I do believe it began in spring training.
29:07
Speaker 4: I think they believed the whole time.
29:11
Speaker 1: Well, Cody's it's funny, you know, he mentioned spring training
29:14
Speaker 1: because a couple of guys that were absent in spring training,
29:18
Speaker 1: you know, are still absent, you know, obviously Matt vie
29:21
Speaker 1: Lean and Parker Meadows, and two guys that we thought,
29:24
Speaker 1: you know, the whole time, Like, I don't think it
29:26
Speaker 1: would have been that surprising to see what their record
29:28
Speaker 1: is at this point, but we would have thought Parker
29:30
Speaker 1: Meadows would have been a heavy part of it. We
29:32
Speaker 1: would have thought Matt Verealing would have been a heavy
29:34
Speaker 1: part of it. Obviously they haven't because of various injuries.
29:37
Speaker 1: And you know, it's kind of reading some of the
29:39
Speaker 1: quotes from AJ about Parker, about mad and some other guys,
29:45
Speaker 1: I didn't really get it, like a sense of urgency.
29:48
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm bringing into that incorrect. I
29:50
Speaker 1: was like, no, the squad for a second.
29:54
Speaker 3: I mean, it's more a sense of caution. Like the
29:56
Speaker 3: one thing AJ says over and over is at this
29:59
Speaker 3: time in the year, you kind of have one shot,
30:02
Speaker 3: Like you can't try to rush a guy back and
30:05
Speaker 3: Parker tweaks the quad again or whatever, then he's done
30:08
Speaker 3: for the year. So they're they're airing on the side
30:11
Speaker 3: of caution. It's taken a little longer with Meadows than
30:13
Speaker 3: I would have guessed. Hasn't even started a rehab assignment yet.
30:18
Speaker 3: We'll see if he does in the next few days.
30:21
Speaker 3: And then Veerling not totally sure what the status is there,
30:24
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think they're pretty comfortable with the squad.
30:28
Speaker 3: Obviously they're playing them playing well. After losing twelve to thirteen,
30:32
Speaker 3: the Tigers are sixteen and seven. It's kind of nice
30:36
Speaker 3: and way to know, Hey, you've done that.
30:38
Speaker 1: You could.
30:39
Speaker 3: As much as we've kind of written off like you
30:41
Speaker 3: haven't got anything from Meadows, I don't know. He could
30:43
Speaker 3: still come back and have a great September. It's not
30:46
Speaker 3: out of the realm of possibility.
30:47
Speaker 2: Would be a bad guy to have back either though,
30:50
Speaker 2: even if he's not swing the bat.
30:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like we might want him to.
30:56
Speaker 2: That glove man, that glove in the playoffs defense is
31:00
Speaker 2: so huge, So I mean, yeah, I wouldn't want to
31:04
Speaker 2: rush him back, right because you don't want to lose
31:06
Speaker 2: him potentially longer than it's needed. You want to give
31:10
Speaker 2: him that time, especially with injuries, you know of this magnitude.
31:13
Speaker 2: But again, if you're able to get him back, maybe
31:17
Speaker 2: in a different role, like I said, because that glove man,
31:20
Speaker 2: that glove is so important in playoffs and just the plays,
31:25
Speaker 2: you know, going to get balls in the gaps, you know.
31:27
Speaker 4: But obviously he has to be healthy to do that.
31:30
Speaker 2: But if you are, and it's not to the extent
31:33
Speaker 2: that that you will normally see him you know, out there,
31:37
Speaker 2: I think that it could possibly it could be an
31:40
Speaker 2: advantage for this team.
31:41
Speaker 4: Right, like, because they're doing it without him.
31:43
Speaker 2: But if you're able to use that skill set in
31:45
Speaker 2: a certain way, that doesn't you know, kind of limits
31:48
Speaker 2: him a little bit as far as the toll that'll
31:51
Speaker 2: take on his body. But you're able to use that glove, man,
31:55
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he can. He can change the game
31:58
Speaker 2: with the glove on that side of the ball. Absolutely,
32:01
Speaker 2: he'd be a great one to get back, even mat
32:02
Speaker 2: that'd be great to have him back as an extra,
32:05
Speaker 2: you know, kind of utility kind of guy. That's why
32:07
Speaker 2: this team is so good, because you can plug guys
32:10
Speaker 2: in and they've been doing this without them getting them back.
32:14
Speaker 4: This team looks a lot different with those guys in
32:16
Speaker 4: the lineup.
32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:18
Speaker 3: I mean, we have the question on our screen if
32:20
Speaker 3: you're watching on YouTube, Candan Tigers gets to the World
32:22
Speaker 3: Series When you're in first place this late in the year.
32:24
Speaker 3: I think everything is viewed through that lens. I don't
32:28
Speaker 3: know yet, Like sure, I think they're capable of it.
32:31
Speaker 3: It'll take a few things going right. It might take
32:34
Speaker 3: a break like a Meadows coming back or someone we
32:37
Speaker 3: haven't talked about. Alex Lang made a return to the
32:39
Speaker 3: major leagues this week. What a few guys on base
32:42
Speaker 3: because a reminder remember how good he was a couple
32:45
Speaker 3: of years ago. Like this guy could be the swing
32:47
Speaker 3: and miss reliever you need. He could also be a
32:50
Speaker 3: candidate to go down if you bring up a lefty
32:52
Speaker 3: two days from now. So I don't know what's gonna
32:55
Speaker 3: happen there, but like there are some variables and some
32:59
Speaker 3: X factor, and you look at the landscape of the
33:01
Speaker 3: American League, like, I don't know who the best team is.
33:04
Speaker 3: There were times earlier in the year thought the Tigers
33:07
Speaker 3: were the most complete. The pitching has been a little
33:10
Speaker 3: suspect where I don't feel as confident. But I also
33:14
Speaker 3: there's not a team I'm pointing in saying, oh, they're better.
33:17
Speaker 1: Like the way I kind of have framed it in
33:20
Speaker 1: my head is that I'm not following every one of
33:23
Speaker 1: these teams like I follow the Tigers. So this could
33:26
Speaker 1: be a little bit of ignorance talking. But I doubt Seattle, Toronto, Boston,
33:32
Speaker 1: New York, Houston in that regard, with one large exception
33:37
Speaker 1: for them, I doubt they those teams have as much
33:41
Speaker 1: untapped assets that could play a factor as I believe
33:45
Speaker 1: the Tigers have. Like obviously Jordan Alvarez is the is
33:49
Speaker 1: the big exception of what I'm saying. Yeah, but like,
33:52
Speaker 1: Parade's probably not coming back, right, I don't know if
33:55
Speaker 1: they made that official yet. Like and and again, I'm
33:58
Speaker 1: not following every single team, but the effect that Parker
34:02
Speaker 1: Meadows has on winning, if he can get back to
34:04
Speaker 1: being Parker Meadows, it's hard to me to say, like
34:07
Speaker 1: they all of these other teams have another guy that
34:09
Speaker 1: can impact them, like Parker Metals. Again, albre is being
34:12
Speaker 1: an exception to that.
34:13
Speaker 3: So yeah, not a bad point. The Mariners do have
34:16
Speaker 3: Victor Roblest, who's now serving a suspension for throwing a.
34:19
Speaker 4: Bat at somebody.
34:20
Speaker 1: He's a similar player.
34:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, words the wise don't throw bats at people. And
34:27
Speaker 3: the Mariners are probably the team that scares me the most.
34:29
Speaker 3: But they're They're three and seven. In their last ten
34:31
Speaker 3: they were red hot and now they're cool enough. So
34:34
Speaker 3: Baseball's weird sport.
34:35
Speaker 1: Weird sports, tough sports, anything else fellas before we jet out.
34:39
Speaker 3: Of here, I was, what was that going to pull
34:46
Speaker 3: up the notes here?
34:50
Speaker 4: Oh?
34:50
Speaker 2: You said, so, what's what is the how many games
34:54
Speaker 2: do we have left in the in the season? Where
34:57
Speaker 2: are we looking at Cody.
34:59
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I got it real quick. All right, there
35:06
Speaker 1: is like thirty four is thirty four games and the
35:14
Speaker 1: Tigers are what are they of nine and a half?
35:18
Speaker 3: Eight and a half, nine and a half after today?
35:21
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, nine and a half.
35:24
Speaker 2: So they went through their little they went through a
35:28
Speaker 2: little skid, right like the what would you say? They
35:32
Speaker 2: are twelve out of thirteen, twelve out thirteen, twelve out
35:35
Speaker 2: of thirteen, and now they're sixteen and seven seventh since that,
35:42
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the question of have the Tigers
35:47
Speaker 2: gotten over, you know, their little bump in the road,
35:50
Speaker 2: I would say to that, I would say, yes, right,
35:54
Speaker 2: But then again, what if they go out in these
35:58
Speaker 2: next couple of series, you know, lose, lose the series,
36:00
Speaker 2: or go through another you know, another skid, another losing skid.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen, honestly. Do I think
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Speaker 2: they're just gonna be perfect from here on out?
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Speaker 4: No? But I think that they're they're they've they've kind
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Speaker 4: of surpassed that.
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Speaker 2: You look around the league and a lot of teams
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Speaker 2: were going through those those those you know, skids at
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Speaker 2: that at that time or at some point. But as
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Speaker 2: we've spoke on here for so many times. What is
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Speaker 2: it gonna look like for this team when they do struggle?
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Speaker 2: We we we saw it, and now we're seeing I
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Speaker 2: think more of who the Tigers are gonna be from
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Speaker 2: here on out. I do think that they're over that
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Speaker 2: that little bump in the road, do it like again,
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Speaker 2: Do I think they're gonna end this season perfectly?
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think that. But do I think that
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Speaker 4: they're going to go through a skid like that? I
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Speaker 4: don't think so.
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Speaker 2: I think the pitching is really starting, you know, to
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Speaker 2: find its own and we all know how important pitching
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Speaker 2: is gonna be often.
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Speaker 4: This is gonna come and go.
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Speaker 2: But when you're able to win a game one a
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Speaker 2: zero like they did, I think to me that kind
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Speaker 2: of shows the type of team that this will be
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Speaker 2: moving forward and in the playoffs when they get there,
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Speaker 2: because I think that's where they headed. I think that
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Speaker 2: they have the type of team that can win those
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Speaker 2: close games like that and also turn around and put
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Speaker 2: up a crazy lopsided number in the first inning.
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Speaker 4: Those are the type of things that this Tiger teams.
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Speaker 4: They weren't doing in that skin. They just were kind.
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Speaker 2: Of they weren't playing like themselves taking big swings. Guys were,
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Speaker 2: you know, trying to hit the big home runs. Now,
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Speaker 2: I think they kind of settle back in to who
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Speaker 2: they are, like they had to remember their identity. Who
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Speaker 2: are we? Are we just a one hit wonder type team?
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Speaker 2: Do we go out here and only slugged?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 2: I think they went through a skin that they were
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Speaker 2: trying to slug too much, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: it was like single, single, single walk home run just
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Speaker 2: kind of started to pile along getting back to who
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Speaker 2: they were, And so I think they're over I think
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Speaker 2: they're over it, honestly, because I know we spoke about
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Speaker 2: that off off air, But I think that they're over it.
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Speaker 4: And I think that this team is probably.
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Speaker 2: Going to hit another stride going up because this is
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Speaker 2: this this last series that's a confidence building and believe
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Speaker 2: you and me that professional players need that confidence. So
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Speaker 2: need the confidence when things aren't going right. You don't
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Speaker 2: understand how can we be arguably the best team in
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Speaker 2: the league from from a record standpoint, and we're going
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Speaker 2: through this type of struggle? Are we ever going to
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Speaker 2: get out of it? When are we going to get
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Speaker 2: out of it? And then you start to have series
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Speaker 2: like this at this time of the season. There's no
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Speaker 2: looking back, and I think they're they're looking at this
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Speaker 2: series as this is what's going to elevate us for
38:51
Speaker 2: the rest of the season.
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Speaker 4: I know, I got long winding.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Royals or Dots coming to town. They've overtaken the
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Speaker 3: Guardians second place in the El Central. They're eight and
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Speaker 3: two in their last ten. Is it who you play
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Speaker 3: or is it when you play them? Maybe we're about
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Speaker 3: to find out.
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Speaker 1: Yep, And at least we can say this right now.
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Speaker 1: The Tigers are who we thought they were and uh
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Speaker 1: and it was. It was a lot of fun to see,
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