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Episode One Hundred Eighty Nine: Haitian Barbacue · The Death Of Journalism

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number one hundred and eighty nine of
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Speaker 1: the Death of Journalism podcast.
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Speaker 2: My name is John Zigler. I'm your host on today's show.
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Speaker 1: The Big Presidential Debate goes almost exactly as I warned
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Speaker 1: you that it would. Taylor Swift makes her much anticipated
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Speaker 1: Harris endorsement, but with weird timing, the Tariq Hill controversy
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Speaker 1: gets racial and one of the worst network news interviews
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Speaker 1: I have ever seen. One of the things I hope
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Speaker 1: makes this podcast unique is that when I make a prediction,
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Speaker 1: I hold myself accountable regardless of what the outcome of
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Speaker 1: that prediction is. So I try very very hard whenever
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Speaker 1: I make a prediction that is inaccurate to acknowledge that
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Speaker 1: I made a bad prediction and to try to explain.
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Speaker 2: Why I was wrong.
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Speaker 1: Part of what that allows me to do is that
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Speaker 1: when I make a correct prediction and I feel like
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Speaker 1: I have a little bit more credibility to say, hey,
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Speaker 1: this is exactly.
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Speaker 2: What I told you was going to happen.
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Speaker 1: And I think we have an example of that with
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Speaker 1: regard to what actually transpired in the Trump versus Harris debate, because.
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Speaker 2: To review what I told you was going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Was that Harris would outperform expectations, that Trump would once
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Speaker 1: again be bad at this and miss all sorts of opportunities.
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Speaker 1: The ABC moderators were going to be extremely biased, both
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Speaker 1: in how they chose the topics and how they conducted
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Speaker 1: the debate, and that the news media harshly because of
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Speaker 1: their bias, partially because of what happened with Biden and
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Speaker 1: the fact that they took Biden out after the last debate,
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Speaker 1: they would feel far more comfortable and far more compelled.
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Speaker 1: They would be freed up to declare Harris the winner.
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Speaker 1: And well, we don't know this yet, it was my
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Speaker 1: perception and therefore my prediction that those declarations of Harris
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Speaker 1: victory may actually have a lot more credibility than they
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Speaker 1: would have otherwise, because this very samee news media that's
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Speaker 1: telling you that Harris won had just a couple of
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Speaker 1: months ago not only told you that Biden lost, but
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Speaker 1: they were so definitive in that declaration that, in an
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Speaker 1: unprecedented situation, Biden.
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Speaker 2: Was forced out of the race.
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Speaker 1: Well, I would submit that that's exactly how this all
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Speaker 1: went down. In fact, it probably went down even more
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Speaker 1: dramatically in that direction than I had predicted, which is
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Speaker 1: often the case when I am being pessimistic generally that
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Speaker 1: means I'm right generally, I won't actually go far enough
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Speaker 1: because I'm trying to curtail my pessimism that may or
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Speaker 1: may not have been a factor in what transpired here.
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Speaker 2: At least my prediction is to what was going to
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Speaker 2: transpire here.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the ABC moderators and specifically David Murrr.
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Speaker 1: This was awful. I fully acknowledge that the whining from
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Speaker 1: the Trump camp and from the right wing media is
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Speaker 1: absolutely based in reality.
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Speaker 2: This was a joke.
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Speaker 1: It was almost a parody or a sattire. The double
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Speaker 1: standard in how they treated Trump as opposed to how
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Speaker 1: they treated Harris was about as stark as it can
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Speaker 1: possibly get.
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Speaker 2: It did manifest itself in.
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Speaker 1: A way that was slightly different than the way that
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Speaker 1: I predicted. I thought it would be mostly in the
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Speaker 1: realm of topic selection, and there was some of that,
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Speaker 1: which I'll get to moment entarily. But the most obvious
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Speaker 1: example and vehicle through which David mur a ABC was
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Speaker 1: able to, in Trump's words, rig this debate in Harris's
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Speaker 1: favor was through this fact checking double standard, where they
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Speaker 1: went out of their way, sometimes not particularly accurately to
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Speaker 1: fact check Trump, and did nothing of the sort, I
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Speaker 1: mean nothing of the sort when it came to Harris.
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Speaker 1: And that is an enormous advantage for Harris, not just
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Speaker 1: in the obvious way that you have the referees or
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Speaker 1: the judge or whatever analogy you want to use here
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Speaker 1: admonishing one side for not being truthful and not the
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Speaker 1: other side, but it's also in what that does to
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Speaker 1: free up hair because she knows and I use this
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Speaker 1: analogy all the time of a football game, where one
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Speaker 1: team knows their offensive line isn't going to get called
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Speaker 1: for a holding, then they can do whatever they want
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Speaker 1: and they are free and they have the knowledge that
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Speaker 1: they're not going to get called up for a penalty. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: that they you know, they don't have to deal with
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Speaker 1: their opponent being on the offense because he's constantly on
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Speaker 1: the defense trying to defend himself from the moderators fact
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Speaker 1: checking him, which of course in irrational world. Now Trump
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Speaker 1: may not be impacted by this, but an irrational world
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Speaker 1: that also make curtail some of the things that Trump
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Speaker 1: would say, because he might be afraid of getting fact checked.
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Speaker 1: Now there's no evidence of that, because he said a
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Speaker 1: couple of crazy things that should have been fact checked
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Speaker 1: during the debate. But there's no question to whatsoever that
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Speaker 1: there was obvious and vert bias here by ABC, by
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Speaker 1: David Muir, just as I predicted, and that it had
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Speaker 1: a major impact on how this debate went down and
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Speaker 1: how it was proceived. Now, as far as those questions
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Speaker 1: and subjects, I went through this debate in a very
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Speaker 1: detailed fashion, and I counted basically thirteen different subject matters
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Speaker 1: about which there were questions. And of those thirteen, I
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Speaker 1: would say that there were three that should have been
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Speaker 1: but probably weren't favorable to Donald Trump. That was one
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Speaker 1: more than I predicted. I thought that there would be
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Speaker 1: two subjects that would be clearly in Trump's favor as
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Speaker 1: selected by the ABC monituators, but there were three.
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Speaker 2: However, there were at.
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Speaker 1: Least seven, in my estimation, that clearly favored Harris, and
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Speaker 1: then there were three that were ambiguous. The subjects were
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Speaker 1: inflation and the economy and whether or not.
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Speaker 2: You're better off four years ago, which I hate.
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Speaker 1: I hate the the are you better off than you
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Speaker 1: were four years ago question?
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Speaker 2: Because of COVID. I mean it's an insane question.
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Speaker 1: It's that should not be the question in this election,
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Speaker 1: and Trump shouldn't be asking it that way either. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's were you better off before twenty twenty or after
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty? That's really what it ought to be, because
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Speaker 1: COVID screws everything up. And by the way, in the
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Speaker 1: response to that question, Harris did exactly what Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 1: always does, which is to lie about the economic data,
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Speaker 1: pretending that somehow Trump was responsible for the economic destruction
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Speaker 1: that the COVID panic caused, when that was actually caused
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Speaker 1: more by Democratic governors like Newsom and Cuomo.
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Speaker 2: But that was the first topic.
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Speaker 1: Then you had tariffs as a sales tax, abortion, which
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Speaker 1: is an obvious Harris topic, Immigration, which didn't go as
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Speaker 1: well as it should have for reasons I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get to in a bit, fracking, which is a negative
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Speaker 1: theoretically Harris topic. January sixth, the twenty twenty results Israel, Russia, Ukraine, Afghanistan,
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Speaker 1: Harris's racial identity, Obamacare, and climate change. So those were,
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Speaker 1: as I perceived them, the thirteen subjects, and again I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty confident in saying that the majority of those were
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Speaker 1: favored towards Harris. Now, as far as how they went down,
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Speaker 1: I would say that this was a debate characterized by
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Speaker 1: Harris overperforming expectations which were too low. And I've always
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Speaker 1: said this about Harris. The expectations are way too low,
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Speaker 1: and Republicans have played right into this. Republicans and the
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Speaker 1: Trump team have been way too overconfident about Harris, even
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Speaker 1: way before she became the presidential candidate. I've been trying
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Speaker 1: to say this for a year that while she has
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Speaker 1: obvious vulnerabilities and she's a terrible candidate in many ways,
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Speaker 1: and she's trying to remake herself from the candidate that
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Speaker 1: she created in the twenty twenty Democratic presidential primaries, and
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Speaker 1: she's largely being allowed to get away with that. In
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, she's a terrible candidate, but once
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Speaker 1: she reaches a.
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Speaker 2: Certain status or stature, she's going to be very, very
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Speaker 2: difficult to be that.
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Speaker 1: My fear was always that Biden would get reelected and
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Speaker 1: then resign, and then she's the first female president, and
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Speaker 1: then once she's an incumbent president.
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Speaker 2: Look out.
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Speaker 1: Because she looks pretty good at her best, she sounds
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Speaker 1: pretty good. She's not afraid of Trump, She's way more
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Speaker 1: articulate than Biden is, for God's sake, not that that's difficult,
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Speaker 1: but she's She's not bad in this format at all,
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Speaker 1: and I think she even did better than I expected
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Speaker 1: her too, and I expected her to overperform these way
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Speaker 1: too low expectations. But the debate was also marked by
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Speaker 1: missed opportunities on the on the on behalf of Trump
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Speaker 1: or on the part of Trump, as well as just
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Speaker 1: flat out mistakes on Trump's part.
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Speaker 2: He fumbled all over the place.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes on things that seem minor but in my view,
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Speaker 1: are actually a big deal because it prevents him from
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Speaker 1: being able to make important points. He stumbles, mumbles and
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Speaker 1: fumbles all over himself. He cannot complete a coherent rebuttal.
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Speaker 1: He always gets the facts wrong, which then makes him
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Speaker 1: vulnerable to fact checks, not just during the debate but
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Speaker 1: after the debate. But most importantly, you have to understand,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think Trump fans get this at all.
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Speaker 1: You have to understand that the audience for this debate
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Speaker 1: is a very narrow band of voters who are currently
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Speaker 1: undecided or at least movable. Those are not generally people
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Speaker 1: who pay close attention to politics. This is one of
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Speaker 1: the few times that they will tune in. We are
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Speaker 1: now after.
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Speaker 2: Labor Day, it's a big debate, or a couple months
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Speaker 2: from the election. There are a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: Tuning in that are not going to get their news
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Speaker 1: information on a daily basis about the presidential campaign, and
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Speaker 1: they're certainly not going to hear something unfiltered from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Where Trump has the opportunity to make his case unfiltered
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Speaker 1: or at least largely unfiltered, despite what the ABC moderators
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Speaker 1: were trying to.
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Speaker 2: Do by fact checking him and what have you.
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Speaker 1: But you have this unique opportunity to speak to these
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Speaker 1: swing voters in swing states. We're talking about a very
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Speaker 1: very narrow group of voters, and these are not partisan people.
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Speaker 1: These are not high information voters. They're low information voters.
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Speaker 2: So you've got to explain things clearly.
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Speaker 1: You can't make mistakes that confuse things, especially when the
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Speaker 1: media is not on your side. The media is not
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Speaker 1: going to help you at all. They're going to do
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Speaker 1: everything they can to knock you down. And so when
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Speaker 1: you're trying to make an important point, or at least
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Speaker 1: a theoretically important point about how Democrats really are in
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Speaker 1: favor of late term abortions and this, you know, this
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Speaker 1: is an issue that drives me crazy because and Trump
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Speaker 1: later on in the debate it might have been too late,
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Speaker 1: but he he did a decent job of trying to
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Speaker 1: get Harris to answer the question which no Democrat ever will,
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Speaker 1: is to at what point are you against abortion being legal?
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Speaker 1: Of course Aris doesn't answer that question. By the way,
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Speaker 1: Tim Waltz was on the debate coverage afterwards on ABC,
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Speaker 1: and this is one of the few fair things the
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Speaker 1: ABC did. They asked him the same question because they
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Speaker 1: said Harris didn't answer when are you against.
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Speaker 2: Abortion being legal?
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Speaker 1: And in other words, how late shouldn't abortion still be legal?
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Speaker 1: And Waltz didn't answer the question either, and ABC basically
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Speaker 1: just then thanked him for doing the interview and left
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Speaker 1: it at that, didn't even mention, oh, by the way,
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Speaker 1: you didn't answer it either.
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Speaker 2: They never answer it because there's no good.
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Speaker 1: Answer, and so Democrats get to have it both ways
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Speaker 1: here to attack Republicans before this, for instance, this six
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Speaker 1: week abortion ban in Florida and this issue of the
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Speaker 1: amendment there and whether Trump will vote for or against it.
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Speaker 1: So Republicans get killed crushed for having to define a
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Speaker 1: point beyond which abortion should not be legal, and politically
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Speaker 1: six weeks is too soon.
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Speaker 2: But what about the other side of this?
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Speaker 1: Democrats never get forced to acknowledge, Okay, what is your
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Speaker 1: marker on the other end, when do you think it's
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Speaker 1: too late for abortion to be legal?
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Speaker 2: Well, they won't answer.
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Speaker 1: That, and yet they still get to claim, well, but
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Speaker 1: there are no late term abortions, there are no nine
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Speaker 1: month abortions, there's no partial birth abortion that doesn't exist.
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Speaker 1: In fact, that was one of the fact checks by
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Speaker 1: David murrr Well. Trump did not help himself because in
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Speaker 1: trying to make his case, he raises an issue that
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Speaker 1: he seems to think the average voter is already familiar with,
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Speaker 1: which is that the former governor of Virginia in an
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Speaker 1: interview fully acknowledges. It's an interview that everybody ought to see.
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Speaker 1: And I fully understand why Trump raises it. He raised
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Speaker 1: it in the Biden debate poorly. We did an even
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Speaker 1: worse job here because he referenced this the former governor
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Speaker 1: of Virginia is the former governor of West Virginia.
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Speaker 2: He did that twice. Now he did fix it later on.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious as to how he figured out that he
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Speaker 1: screwed up, or maybe he just didn't even realize that
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Speaker 1: he had said West Virginia. But that seems like a
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Speaker 1: small issue, but it's a big problem when you're trying
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Speaker 1: to explain to people who have never heard what the
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Speaker 1: hell you're talking about. You have very little personal credibility
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Speaker 1: to begin with, people have very short attention spans, and
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Speaker 1: you're trying to tell a story that is, if performed perfectly,
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Speaker 1: can be very effective.
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Speaker 2: But you get the wrong state. That's a problem.
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Speaker 1: By the way, not only did he get the wrong state,
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Speaker 1: then he got sidetracked into talking about student loans, an
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Speaker 1: important issue, but it's not related directly to the way,
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Speaker 1: and he tried to make it somehow connected to the
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Speaker 1: abortion issue, but obviously it's not. So that to me
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Speaker 1: was an example of where Trump screws up because he
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the facts right, and he's a terrible explainer,
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Speaker 1: and he has a very short period of time to
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Speaker 1: do this. He's used to in his rallies, which is
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Speaker 1: another subject where he got sidetracked, and I think Harris
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Speaker 1: probably did that on purpose. If so, that was brilliant
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Speaker 1: to get him talking about his rallies, But at his rallies,
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Speaker 1: he's under no time constraints.
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Speaker 2: He talks forever. He's not used to.
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Speaker 1: Speaking in a time i'm constrained situation. Even when he
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Speaker 1: does his interviews, he can talk as long as he
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Speaker 1: wants in most situations, so he's not used to this.
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Speaker 1: He's not prepped well. I don't think he researches enough
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Speaker 1: to get ready for these debates. And let's be clear,
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Speaker 1: I think the primary problem and the primary difference between
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Speaker 1: Trump's preparation and Harris's preparation is Harris clearly is willing
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Speaker 1: and able to take guidance from her advisors down to
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Speaker 1: the very words that she is speaking. Many of her
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Speaker 1: answers were obviously memorized and written for her, but she
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Speaker 1: was able to pull them off. Meanwhile, there is clearly
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Speaker 1: nobody close to Trump who is willing and able to
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Speaker 1: sit him down, take him by the callers and say
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Speaker 1: this is how we have to answer this question. Everyone
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Speaker 1: is clearly afraid of him, or he does not have
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Speaker 1: enough respect for them, or they're afraid of them losing
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Speaker 1: their jobs if they offend him. There's too many yes
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Speaker 1: people around him, and he does not have the personal
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Speaker 1: discipline required to pull this off. So this is where
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Speaker 1: he is forced to pay the piper.
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Speaker 2: That personality flaw.
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Speaker 1: Comes out in these debates in a way that can
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Speaker 1: be very damaging, and so Harris benefits and I believe
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Speaker 1: Trump suffers. But back to the specifics of this debate,
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Speaker 1: the immigration topic, which should have been writing Trump's wheelhouse.
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Speaker 1: That's where Trump got sidetracked and distracted to talk about
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Speaker 1: his rallies.
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Speaker 2: And you know, he misses an enormous opportunity.
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Speaker 1: He steps into this whole Springfield, Ohio situation. And look,
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Speaker 1: I have been following the spring Field, Ohio Haitian immigrant
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Speaker 1: situation about as closely as I can. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the truth is, and I don't know what
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Speaker 1: the myth is, and I don't know what the urban
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Speaker 1: legend is.
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Speaker 2: I really don't know.
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Speaker 1: But gun to my head, and I am not trusting
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Speaker 1: the news media to be fair on this because they're
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Speaker 1: telling us, Oh, no, this is all a myth, didn't happen,
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. There's got to be something to this.
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Speaker 1: But my gun instinct tells me, gun to my head,
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Speaker 1: this is mostly urban legend. And for Trump to be
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Speaker 1: raising this at a presidential debate in a dramatic way,
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Speaker 1: when all he had to do was say, look at
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Speaker 1: the town as Springfield, Ohio, very nice town. Many years
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Speaker 1: ago I played in a couple of different golf tournaments there.
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Speaker 1: You know this town has been overtaken by Haitian immigrants.
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Speaker 1: There's no question about that, and that there are ramifications
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Speaker 1: of that. But you get sidetracked into this issue whether
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Speaker 1: or not they're eating pets and geese and cats, and
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Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing, especially when you're not
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Speaker 1: on solid ground at the at best, you're not on
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Speaker 1: solid ground when it comes to the factual record, and
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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna, at least you ought to know
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be held to a much higher standard than
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Speaker 1: Harris is.
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Speaker 2: And so to take a flyer for you know.
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Speaker 1: About a minute and in these you know only in
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Speaker 1: ninety some minute debate, I mean.
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Speaker 2: This is gold.
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Speaker 1: Every second is gold here, and in your key issue immigration,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get sidetracked into this quagmire of what the
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Speaker 1: truth is about Haitian immigrants eating pets in Springfield, Ohio.
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Speaker 1: That's just insanity, insanity. But again, I think this goes
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Speaker 1: to this issue of the advisors and handlers of Trump
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Speaker 1: don't have any control over him. So if he sees
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Speaker 1: something on television that really catches his fancy, there's no
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Speaker 1: way to control that coming out of the debate. And
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Speaker 1: that's the price you pay. That is the price right there,
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you got your presidential candidate stepping
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Speaker 1: in it, stepping on a landmine, potentially on this Springfield,
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Speaker 1: Ohio issue, when there was no need. It's an issue
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Speaker 1: regardless of what's happening to pets in Springfield, Ohio. And
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Speaker 1: so I don't even understand why Trump would go there
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Speaker 1: other than the fact that his base, his base is
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Speaker 1: very agitated and energized by this issue. Well, his base
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Speaker 1: is irrelevant to this debate. He should not have given
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Speaker 1: a rats ass about his base. I would suggest that
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Speaker 1: one of the things that Harris did best in this
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Speaker 1: debate is that she gave her base multiple orgasms while
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Speaker 1: still appealing to the people that actually matter, the undecided
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Speaker 1: swing voters in swing states.
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Speaker 2: And that's not easy to do. Now.
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Speaker 1: It's easier to do when the opponent is Trump, and
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Speaker 1: her base loves, just loves it when anyone punches him
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Speaker 1: in the face or stands up to him or drops
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Speaker 1: a line on him of any sort, so you know,
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Speaker 1: it's not that difficult.
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Speaker 2: But she was able to accomplish that.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Trump seemed way more concerned about doing and saying
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Speaker 1: things that got his his own base engaged and excited.
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Speaker 1: What he did on a couple of occasions, he had
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Speaker 1: a couple of good moments. I'm not gonna be completely
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Speaker 1: anti Trump. In fact, his energy level was good. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there were a couple of things that were good about
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Speaker 1: what Trump did.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Probably being too negative towards his actual performance, mainly because
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this from the standpoint of missed opportunities
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Speaker 1: and what the bottom line result is. I've seen Trump
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Speaker 1: be worse from a substantive standpoint and an energy perspective,
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Speaker 1: and at times he was actually pretty articulate, and he
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Speaker 1: did make some good points, but points that I don't
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Speaker 1: think are going to win the day here. So I
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Speaker 1: want to go back to the subjects as they went
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Speaker 1: through the debate. I don't think that Trump took advantage
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Speaker 1: of the immigration question, although I will say, and this
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Speaker 1: was the one moment when David Murer either I don't
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Speaker 1: know if this was on purpose or inadvertent or what
23:49
Speaker 1: have you. But you're actually saved Trump because after two
23:55
Speaker 1: cracks at the immigration question where Trump is getting sidetracked
23:59
Speaker 1: and not really addressing it, not taking advantage of it,
24:02
Speaker 1: he gave him a third bite of the apple, and
24:05
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, Trump actually did make some
24:07
Speaker 1: important points on immigration.
24:10
Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting.
24:11
Speaker 1: That was the one moment when I thought, Wow, David
24:13
Speaker 1: Muhr maybe inadvertently actually did Trump a solid there.
24:18
Speaker 2: Then there was the fracking question.
24:20
Speaker 1: Now, look, I think that the issue of Harris's flip
24:25
Speaker 1: flops from her twenty twenty positions is incredibly important.
24:30
Speaker 2: However, I think that Trump is missing the point here. Now.
24:36
Speaker 1: I think we've gotten to the stage on fracking, which
24:39
Speaker 1: is a big issue in Pennsylvania, where this debate took
24:42
Speaker 1: place in Philadelphia, the state that is very likely going
24:45
Speaker 1: to decide this election. So I understand why they asked
24:48
Speaker 1: the question that they did ask the question from basically
24:51
Speaker 1: a negative Harris perspective. But I now think that Harris
24:56
Speaker 1: is on the record enough both in the CNN interview
25:00
Speaker 1: and now in this debate.
25:02
Speaker 2: Where it's going to be really difficult.
25:04
Speaker 1: Not impossible in this day and age, unfortunately, but it's
25:07
Speaker 1: going to be really difficult for her to change her
25:09
Speaker 1: position on fracking should she get elected. So I don't
25:14
Speaker 1: think fracking is really the issue anymore. I think the
25:19
Speaker 1: more important issue is we can't trust anything she says
25:25
Speaker 1: she's in favor of because she has changed her position
25:29
Speaker 1: so many times.
25:30
Speaker 2: Now.
25:30
Speaker 1: Trump was decent in trying to make that the issue,
25:35
Speaker 1: but he kept pounding that she's going to change her
25:38
Speaker 1: position on fracking. I actually don't think she can at
25:41
Speaker 1: this point. But it's these other issues where she's not
25:46
Speaker 1: on the record, where we don't have video of her.
25:49
Speaker 2: Saying that that's not true.
25:52
Speaker 1: And you know where we have off the record aids
25:56
Speaker 1: saying that she's changed your position. Well, you can change
25:59
Speaker 1: your position on that, no problem once you become president.
26:03
Speaker 2: It's similar to what's going on with Joe Biden and
26:07
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. Pardon.
26:08
Speaker 1: We've never gotten Joe Biden to say on tape, as
26:13
Speaker 1: if it would matter that much since he has nothing
26:15
Speaker 1: to lose. But it would be better to get Joe
26:18
Speaker 1: Biden on tape saying he's never going to pardon Hunter Biden.
26:22
Speaker 1: Then to have you know, Karem, Jean Pierre do it.
26:26
Speaker 1: No one gives us shit. If you know, if Biden
26:29
Speaker 1: ends up doing something that contradicts a promise made by
26:33
Speaker 1: Karen Jean Pierre, some people might care if you have
26:38
Speaker 1: Biden on tape. If you don't have Biden on tape.
26:41
Speaker 1: To me, it's completely meaningless, and I fully expect there
26:45
Speaker 1: to be some sort of pardon or commutation from Joe Biden,
26:50
Speaker 1: especially if Harris loses. If Harris loses, for sure, before
26:54
Speaker 1: Biden is out of office, he's gonna do something to
26:57
Speaker 1: help his son Hunter.
26:59
Speaker 2: Well.
27:00
Speaker 1: Similarly, on all these flip flops, we don't have Harris
27:03
Speaker 1: on tape saying no, no, no, that's not my position.
27:08
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely not in favor of fracking. The other part
27:11
Speaker 1: that Trump dropped the ball on, in my opinion, was
27:14
Speaker 1: again going to the real issue of these flip flops
27:17
Speaker 1: and her authenticity, her trustworthiness, her believability.
27:22
Speaker 2: She flat out lied in that CNN interview with Dana
27:27
Speaker 2: Bash where.
27:28
Speaker 1: She claimed that she had come out against the fracking
27:32
Speaker 1: band during the twenty twenty election. She did no such things.
27:36
Speaker 1: She claimed to have done that on the debate stage.
27:40
Speaker 1: That's not what she did, she said Joe Biden. This
27:43
Speaker 1: was during the vice presidential debate. She said Joe Biden is.
27:47
Speaker 2: Not in favor of banning fracking. That's not the same thing.
27:51
Speaker 1: Yet she lied about the Dana bash and Trump did
27:54
Speaker 1: not take full advantage of that. Then there were a
27:58
Speaker 1: series of questions, and this is I think they you know.
28:01
Speaker 2: This is a classic way for ABC to do this.
28:04
Speaker 1: You know, they ask a few seemingly fair, almost pro
28:07
Speaker 1: Trump questions at the beginning, and that kind of gives
28:11
Speaker 1: them the freedom to go balls to the wall with
28:15
Speaker 1: all the anti Trump questions from there on out, because
28:17
Speaker 1: they've already established their alleged.
28:20
Speaker 2: Credibility of being fair.
28:23
Speaker 1: Well, there was a series of questions after fracking that
28:25
Speaker 1: were clearly very very anti Trump topics January sixth, where
28:31
Speaker 1: I have to give Trump credit. He raises the issue
28:34
Speaker 1: of Ashley Babbitt. But then again, even in raising the
28:38
Speaker 1: issue of Ashley Babbitt, which is something I talk about
28:41
Speaker 1: all the time, the only person who truly was killed
28:44
Speaker 1: on January sixth, and you know this was a Trump
28:47
Speaker 1: supporter by.
28:48
Speaker 2: A police officer.
28:50
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure that people that haven't
28:53
Speaker 1: been paying attention even fully understood what he was talking about,
28:58
Speaker 1: because he's presumed too much knowledge from the viewer. The
29:03
Speaker 1: vast majority of Americas, especially low information voters, have no
29:07
Speaker 1: idea who actually bab it is because the news media
29:11
Speaker 1: has completely ignored that story. So even there, well, I
29:15
Speaker 1: give him credit for trying, I don't think Trump fully
29:18
Speaker 1: accomplished it. And then Kamala Harris completely lied about the
29:25
Speaker 1: Charlottesville situation, once again repeating the Biden lie about you know,
29:31
Speaker 1: Trump praising the neo Nazis. That's not what happened.
29:35
Speaker 2: It's a lie.
29:37
Speaker 1: And Trump blew it in the retort on that, he
29:41
Speaker 1: cited Laura Ingram and Sean Hannity as that's the people
29:46
Speaker 1: who have proven that that was a lie. No one
29:49
Speaker 1: gives a shit about Fox News Channel hosts defending Trump
29:54
Speaker 1: on that. He the second time he's blown this. He
29:58
Speaker 1: blew it in the Biden of debate, and he blew
30:00
Speaker 1: it here where all he has to say is that
30:03
Speaker 1: the liberal fact checking website Snopes has looked into it. Now,
30:08
Speaker 1: he alludes to that, just like he did with the
30:11
Speaker 1: Biden debate, but he doesn't explain it. He never says Snopes,
30:15
Speaker 1: and he doesn't explain that it's a liberal website that
30:18
Speaker 1: has done this, he said, it's been debunked. Well, it's
30:21
Speaker 1: a flat out lie. It's an easily provable lie, which,
30:25
Speaker 1: of course ABC didn't fact check. Harris on g I
30:29
Speaker 1: wonder why, I mean, absolutely positively, based upon the standard
30:33
Speaker 1: they were using with Trump, ABC should have referenced the
30:38
Speaker 1: Snopes fact check that that is a lie that Trump
30:43
Speaker 1: never did. That.
30:44
Speaker 2: They didn't do it because they.
30:46
Speaker 1: Were extremely biased, and Trump did a lousy job of
30:49
Speaker 1: explaining how that lie, that myth has been debunked. Similarly,
30:56
Speaker 1: in the same answer, Harris repeats another lie, which is
31:02
Speaker 1: that Trump has promised a blood bath for the country
31:05
Speaker 1: should he lose, when that's not what he did. I mean,
31:09
Speaker 1: everybody who was remotely credible acknowledged that that was a lie.
31:14
Speaker 1: He was talking about what would happen to the auto
31:16
Speaker 1: industry if he was not elected. And once again Trump
31:21
Speaker 1: does a very mediocre job in the retort, and once
31:25
Speaker 1: again ABC does not fact check her like they did
31:30
Speaker 1: for Trump. So these are lies by Harris that should
31:36
Speaker 1: reflect on her negatively, but partially because the ABC moderators
31:41
Speaker 1: are unwilling to fact check her, and partially because Trump
31:45
Speaker 1: is really bad at explaining these situations, especially when he's
31:50
Speaker 1: under time constraints. I don't think the point is fully made.
31:55
Speaker 1: And then we go to the twenty twenty results where
31:58
Speaker 1: Trump is asked about something that we talked about on
32:01
Speaker 1: this podcast a couple of episodes ago, where he seemingly
32:03
Speaker 1: acknowledges that he lost. He pretends that he was joking,
32:08
Speaker 1: which is a mistake. He was not joking, Dave. I
32:12
Speaker 1: actually have to side with David Muir here. David Muir
32:15
Speaker 1: abou again, he didn't do anything like this for Harris,
32:18
Speaker 1: but he fact checked Trump on his own statement, saying
32:22
Speaker 1: that he didn't detect any sort of sarcasm or joking
32:26
Speaker 1: when Trump said recently in a podcast interview that he
32:29
Speaker 1: had indeed.
32:30
Speaker 2: Had lost the twenty twenty election.
32:34
Speaker 1: And then, you know, so that issue was a loss
32:39
Speaker 1: for Trump in a lot of ways because he if
32:43
Speaker 1: I don't even know who he's pleasing at this point
32:46
Speaker 1: when it comes to the results of the twenty twenty election.
32:49
Speaker 1: Then they moved on to Israel, which is a topic
32:52
Speaker 1: that Trump had all sorts of opportunities to use to
32:55
Speaker 1: his advantage and in my opinion, did not. Most specifically,
33:00
Speaker 1: he never mentions the college protests, which were clearly driven
33:07
Speaker 1: by liberals in academia, the anti Israel pro hamas oftentimes
33:14
Speaker 1: anti Semitic college protests. He never references those, and maybe
33:20
Speaker 1: more importantly than that, from a political perspective, here he
33:24
Speaker 1: is in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The issue comes up of Israel.
33:30
Speaker 1: He's making the case that Kamala Harris hates Israel.
33:35
Speaker 2: He says that.
33:37
Speaker 1: And never even mentions that she snubbed the governor of Pennsylvania,
33:44
Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, a Jewish person who is a huge supporter
33:49
Speaker 1: of Israel, because she was afraid of pissing off the
33:54
Speaker 1: pro hamas element of her party. My God, in some way,
34:00
Speaker 1: because of the importance of Pennsylvania, I think that might
34:03
Speaker 1: have been the biggest missed opportunity for Trump. All night
34:08
Speaker 1: on a silver platter. You're in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. This is
34:14
Speaker 1: a subject that has been discussed even in mainstream media.
34:21
Speaker 1: You're not going to get completely crushed by on this topic.
34:25
Speaker 1: You have some cover, and you have an audience that
34:28
Speaker 1: has probably not even thought about this. Because of these
34:32
Speaker 1: are many low information voters tuning in maybe for the
34:35
Speaker 1: first time, and you have the chance to educate Pennsylvanians that, Hey,
34:43
Speaker 1: the biggest decision that my opponent has made so far
34:46
Speaker 1: was her vice presidential nominee, and she decided to snub
34:51
Speaker 1: your governor because he's Jewish and pro Israel. That would
34:57
Speaker 1: have left the mark in my opinion. But Trump didn't
35:01
Speaker 1: even go there. And then weirdly, by the way, I
35:05
Speaker 1: did wonder, is it possible this is too chest like
35:10
Speaker 1: to believe that it's real for Trump, and I think
35:12
Speaker 1: it might have just been an accident. But in response
35:16
Speaker 1: to Trump saying that Harris hates Israel, Harris in her retort,
35:25
Speaker 1: in her rebuttal never mentions the fact that her husband
35:29
Speaker 1: is Jewish. Now did she want to keep her husband
35:32
Speaker 1: out of it? Does she not want people to know
35:34
Speaker 1: that her husband is Jewish? I don't know, but you
35:38
Speaker 1: would think that that would be one of the things
35:40
Speaker 1: you would reference if someone said you hate Israel. You know,
35:44
Speaker 1: you might find it interesting to know that my husband
35:46
Speaker 1: is Jewish. But that didn't happen either. But that was
35:50
Speaker 1: a huge The whole topic was a huge missed opportunity
35:54
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump. Similarly, they asked questions about Russia Ukraine,
35:59
Speaker 1: the war there that I you know, the topic that
36:02
Speaker 1: if Trump knew what he was doing, should have worked
36:04
Speaker 1: his advantage, and did not because it was perceived that
36:07
Speaker 1: he would not answer the question as far as who
36:10
Speaker 1: he wanted to win that war Afghanistan, a topic that
36:16
Speaker 1: really should play to Trump because of the disaster in
36:20
Speaker 1: the way that things ended there. Harris flipped a script
36:24
Speaker 1: on that in a deceitful but very effective fashion. I
36:28
Speaker 1: thought she kicked his ass on the Afghanistan situation. And
36:33
Speaker 1: of course the ABC moderator has just sat in their
36:36
Speaker 1: hands and didn't do anything to correct what Harris said.
36:41
Speaker 1: Then there was the issue of Harris's racial identity, and
36:45
Speaker 1: you know Trump's answer wasn't that bad.
36:49
Speaker 2: I mean, he's in it. He put himself in a
36:51
Speaker 2: tough spot there.
36:52
Speaker 1: But you know his basic answer was, look, I don't
36:55
Speaker 1: care what her race is, but it seems like she's
36:58
Speaker 1: changed her identity. I would have made the issue more
37:03
Speaker 1: about we don't know who she is. She's a chameleon.
37:07
Speaker 1: It seems to change based upon what her self interest
37:10
Speaker 1: is at the time.
37:13
Speaker 2: I don't think that racial identity automatter.
37:15
Speaker 1: By the way, he did try to make that point,
37:17
Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care what her racial identity is,
37:21
Speaker 1: but the real damage to me for Trump in that
37:26
Speaker 1: question was that the whole topic teed Harris up, and
37:32
Speaker 1: she did a again very deceitful but good job of
37:37
Speaker 1: using the topic to her advantage, seeming to be empathetic
37:42
Speaker 1: and also from a sympathetic perspective. She lied about the
37:48
Speaker 1: racial division and where Democrats stand on this topic.
37:51
Speaker 2: I mean that pissed me off.
37:52
Speaker 1: I mean, Democrats are the party of racial division. They
37:56
Speaker 1: live off of racial division, they want racial division, they
37:59
Speaker 1: sew it all the time.
38:01
Speaker 2: And here she is the one claiming to, you know,
38:04
Speaker 2: much like.
38:05
Speaker 1: Obama, I'm going to be the racial healer that didn't
38:09
Speaker 1: work out with Obama, and I have no faith that
38:11
Speaker 1: it would work out with Harris.
38:13
Speaker 2: But proving that she's not a racial healer, she.
38:18
Speaker 1: Raises the Central Part five issue again, which was, you know,
38:25
Speaker 1: something we discussed at the Democratic Convention.
38:27
Speaker 2: The Central Park.
38:28
Speaker 1: Five were praised as heroes with Al Sharpton right there
38:33
Speaker 1: as if they have.
38:34
Speaker 2: Been fully exonerated. I do not believe that they were exonerated.
38:38
Speaker 1: I went in great detail about how I don't believe
38:41
Speaker 1: they were exonerated. I think it's still very possible that
38:43
Speaker 1: they were extremely guilty, but just very very lucky as
38:47
Speaker 1: to how the events of that night went down and
38:50
Speaker 1: how the.
38:51
Speaker 2: Evidence turned out.
38:54
Speaker 1: And so you know, Trump, of course was somebody who
38:58
Speaker 1: was very outspoken way back when that case happened, and
39:01
Speaker 1: he took out a full page.
39:03
Speaker 2: Ad demanding the death penalty.
39:05
Speaker 1: Well, if you're trying to not sew racial divisions, or
39:09
Speaker 1: if you're trying to create, you know, trying to be
39:11
Speaker 1: a racial healer, you don't campaign on the central part
39:15
Speaker 1: five issue, especially if you know any of the details.
39:18
Speaker 1: I doubt Harris even knows the details or cares about
39:21
Speaker 1: the details. She just thinks that's an issue that works
39:23
Speaker 1: for her, and you know she can.
39:25
Speaker 2: Attack Trump with it.
39:27
Speaker 1: Well, once again, much like Charlottesville, and much like blood bath,
39:33
Speaker 1: and much like the governor of former governor of Virginia
39:37
Speaker 1: being called the former governor of West Virginia, Trump doesn't
39:41
Speaker 1: do a particularly good job of explaining his position on
39:45
Speaker 1: the central part five. He did reference that they had
39:48
Speaker 1: pled guilty. That's good, but these are complex topics that
39:54
Speaker 1: are difficult to break down in fifteen to thirty seconds
40:00
Speaker 1: with no preparation, and Trump is terrible at doing that.
40:05
Speaker 2: So once again, she raises an issue that really should
40:09
Speaker 2: be a vulnerability if it was fully adjudicated. This should
40:14
Speaker 2: harm Harris in a rational world. She is vouching for guys.
40:19
Speaker 1: Who are allegedly exonerated, who likely beat the crap out
40:24
Speaker 1: of a jogger in Central Park many years ago, much
40:30
Speaker 1: like she supported Jessie Smollett in no uncertain terms, calling
40:36
Speaker 1: what happened to him a modern day racial lynching.
40:40
Speaker 2: That's what she tweeted. Well, that was ridiculous.
40:43
Speaker 1: Anyone with a brain knew that wasn't the case, and
40:45
Speaker 1: it turned out to be a fraud, a hoax.
40:49
Speaker 2: Well, these those.
40:50
Speaker 1: Two situations aren't dissimilar, and situations that should be negatives
40:57
Speaker 1: for Harris turned out to be positives.
40:59
Speaker 2: For her now.
41:01
Speaker 1: She also raised the birtherism issue in the realm of race,
41:04
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's illegitimate. I think that Trump
41:08
Speaker 1: was completely and totally wrong when it came to Barack
41:11
Speaker 1: Obama's birth certificate situation in Hawaii, and that, to me
41:17
Speaker 1: is maybe one of the most underrated situations in the
41:21
Speaker 1: history of American politics because it should have ended Trump's
41:26
Speaker 1: political career when he got humiliated there. But I actually
41:30
Speaker 1: believe it set the stage for him to win the
41:33
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Republican primaries because it gave him a base
41:38
Speaker 1: of support, because you had a bunch of fucking nutjobs
41:41
Speaker 1: who still believed that Barack Obama was not an American citizen,
41:45
Speaker 1: and they were praising Trump for being the only one
41:47
Speaker 1: with the guts to stand up for the issue.
41:51
Speaker 2: Well, the issue was bullshit.
41:54
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter because the truth is long dead,
41:57
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to hyperpartisan power politics, which is
42:00
Speaker 1: what political primaries on each side of the political divide
42:06
Speaker 1: have become. And to me, Trump misses so many opportunities
42:11
Speaker 1: on the issue of race. I mean, to me, the
42:15
Speaker 1: fact that we have never heard Trump talk about the
42:19
Speaker 1: difference between the equality of opportunity versus equity of outcome
42:26
Speaker 1: just shows what a terrible debater he is.
42:30
Speaker 2: I mean, that should be something that.
42:32
Speaker 1: Should be discussed at every opportunity. I mean, if there
42:37
Speaker 1: was one philosophical topic that we really should get to
42:42
Speaker 1: the bottom of, it would be Harris is in favor
42:47
Speaker 1: of equity of outcome based upon largely racial and gender characteristics.
42:55
Speaker 1: That's as Unamerican as it gets. Trump ought to be
42:59
Speaker 1: making clear he is in favor of equality for all races.
43:05
Speaker 1: And gender, equality of opportunity, and as pessimistic as I
43:11
Speaker 1: am about where we are in this country and how
43:14
Speaker 1: I believe we are now a center left country, even
43:17
Speaker 1: I believe that if every American was forced to choose
43:22
Speaker 1: between equality of opportunity and equity of outcome I explained properly,
43:30
Speaker 1: they would choose equality of opportunity over equity of outcome.
43:36
Speaker 1: Trump would win that debate, and Trump I have never
43:40
Speaker 1: even heard him talk about it, certainly not in either
43:43
Speaker 1: of the debates, not with Biden or with Harris.
43:47
Speaker 2: And it's frankly one of the issues of our time.
43:51
Speaker 1: When you talk philosophically about what kind of a country
43:54
Speaker 1: we are and what our goals are, I think it's
43:57
Speaker 1: at the essence of what is happening to this country.
44:00
Speaker 1: Are we a country where we revere and promote equality
44:06
Speaker 1: of opportunity or are we going to now promote equity
44:12
Speaker 1: of outcome?
44:13
Speaker 2: Is our goal equity of outcome?
44:15
Speaker 1: Because if it is, we're not the United States of
44:18
Speaker 1: America anymore, And that to me is the key question here.
44:23
Speaker 2: If Harris wins, we are a country.
44:26
Speaker 1: Of equity of outcome no longer equality of opportunity. We
44:33
Speaker 1: may already be in that place. But that ought to
44:36
Speaker 1: be a fundamental philosophical divide that Trump never even raises.
44:44
Speaker 2: Why.
44:44
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe it's beyond his capabilities, but it
44:49
Speaker 1: is a massive missed opportunity. By the way, one of
44:52
Speaker 1: the other things that happened during the discussion of Harris's
44:57
Speaker 1: racial identity, which really goes to media bias and maybe
45:02
Speaker 1: my biggest pet peeve of what has happened in this
45:05
Speaker 1: campaign over the last two months, which is how Harris
45:09
Speaker 1: has been allowed to get away with making all sorts
45:14
Speaker 1: of double choices without paying a price. In other words,
45:19
Speaker 1: she's never been forced to pick a lane, and by
45:22
Speaker 1: picking a lane, you know, you then pay a price.
45:26
Speaker 1: She's been having it both ways on almost everything. Well,
45:30
Speaker 1: there's no more dramatic example from that debate than when
45:35
Speaker 1: Harris separates herself in a rather demeaning fashion from Joe Biden,
45:44
Speaker 1: saying to Trump and what was obviously a scripted line
45:49
Speaker 1: that you're not running against Joe Biden, You're running against me,
45:54
Speaker 1: and the way she said it I perceive.
45:58
Speaker 2: To be demeaning towards Biden.
46:02
Speaker 1: And then she went on to say that she's representative
46:05
Speaker 1: of a new generation of leadership. Well, okay, fine, but
46:13
Speaker 1: now she ought to have to pay a price for
46:18
Speaker 1: dissing Biden.
46:20
Speaker 2: So is she tied to Biden or not?
46:23
Speaker 1: And the Trump team and the media plays a massive
46:26
Speaker 1: role in this, has done a terrible job of forcing
46:31
Speaker 1: it to be one way or the other. Either she's
46:34
Speaker 1: with Biden and she gets credit for being vice president
46:38
Speaker 1: for three and a half years and whatever accomplishments the
46:41
Speaker 1: Biden team thinks they have, or she's not with him,
46:45
Speaker 1: in which case she doesn't get credit for three and
46:49
Speaker 1: a half years of being vice president.
46:51
Speaker 2: And there's all sorts.
46:52
Speaker 1: Of other questions about Okay, wait a minute, so how
46:55
Speaker 1: did you get the nomination?
46:57
Speaker 2: And by the way, I.
46:58
Speaker 1: Want to make sure that I don't miss this because
47:01
Speaker 1: this is so obvious, and I referenced this in the
47:04
Speaker 1: Dana basciann interview.
47:05
Speaker 2: But how ridiculous is.
47:07
Speaker 1: It that in the one, maybe the one debate we're
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Speaker 1: gonna have, Kamala Harris just appears out of nowhere to
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Speaker 1: be the Democratic nominee. So we have a debate with
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Speaker 1: Biden versus Trump. Now, all of a sudden, two months later,
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Speaker 1: we have a debate Harris versus Trump. And how that happened,
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Speaker 1: never got discussed in the debate. Trump didn't really bring
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Speaker 1: it up. He kind of sort of did at one time,
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Speaker 1: but even I wasn't one hundred percent sure that's what
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Speaker 1: he was referencing. But not one question, not one question
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Speaker 1: about how she got the nomination, how that's consistent with
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, saving democracy? And if she's dissing Biden,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is where I connect all
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Speaker 1: the dots here. She was very dimissive of Biden. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So what does that mean, Kamala Harris? Does that mean
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Speaker 1: that you knew all along that he wasn't capable of
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Speaker 1: running for president and serving another four years?
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Speaker 2: Or did you not support him? Or were you working.
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Speaker 1: Behind the scenes to help facilitate this coup because that
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Speaker 1: comment is certainly consistent with that. Yet nothing, nothing, and
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Speaker 1: there's no evidence the Trump team has done anything at
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Speaker 1: all to even pick up on that. I've not seen
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Speaker 1: any media coverage of the fact that Harris dissed Biden.
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Speaker 1: In a remotely rational world, that would have been one
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Speaker 1: of the headlines of this debate. Harris, this is Biden
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Speaker 1: separates herself from her president.
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Speaker 2: Yet she pays no price for that.
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Speaker 1: That's partially the media's fault. It's also partially Trump's fault.
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Speaker 1: Just to finish the topics of the debate, of course,
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Speaker 1: the Obamacare question, which is a pro Harris anti Trump question,
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Speaker 1: and then the climate change question, which of course is
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Speaker 1: ubiquitous now in every fricking debate.
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Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: And the part about the climate change question that I
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Speaker 1: found to be most interesting and most telling was that
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Speaker 1: they referenced in the question that this is a topic
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Speaker 1: that young people seem to care a lot about. Harris
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Speaker 1: herself referenced in her answer that young people care a
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Speaker 1: lot about climate change. Well, I get that in theory
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Speaker 1: that makes a little bit of sense, because they have
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Speaker 1: longer to live. Therefore, something that might not happen for
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Speaker 1: fifty years could actually theoretically impact their life. But there's
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Speaker 1: another way to look at this, which the news media,
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Speaker 1: of course never ever does. Maybe the real reason why
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Speaker 1: young people are so much more agitated by the issue
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Speaker 1: of climate change and take it so much more seriously
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Speaker 1: is because one they're young and stupid, and two, related
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Speaker 1: to that, they don't have nearly the same level of
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Speaker 1: experience in having lived life long enough to know that
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Speaker 1: it gets hot in the summer and it gets cold
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Speaker 1: in the winter, and there's a lot of extreme weather,
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Speaker 1: and things really haven't changed all that much, and there's
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Speaker 1: no evidence that man has caused them to change. If
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Speaker 1: you're an older person, you have a lot more data,
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Speaker 1: personal data from which to evaluate this situation. If you're
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Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty four years old, you've really only have
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Speaker 1: about ten years that you remember, and during that ten
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Speaker 1: year period, you've been bombed, guarded with bullshit from the
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Speaker 1: news media, and you've been indoctrinated through our education system.
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Speaker 1: So no shit, young people are going to be the
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Speaker 1: ones that buy into climate change. They are incredibly vulnerable
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Speaker 1: to this propaganda because they have very limited personal experience
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Speaker 1: from which to draw to combat it, and they are
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Speaker 1: literally going through the indoctrination of our education system on
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Speaker 1: the topic of climate change, man made, catastrophic climate change.
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Speaker 1: That's why younger people find this issue to be so
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Speaker 1: much more important than older people. That shouldn't give it credibility.
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Speaker 1: If anything, that should diminish, if not destroy, the credibility
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Speaker 1: of the issue. But we don't live in that kind
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