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SHOCKING Ke’Bryan Hayes to Reds trade, Astros/Correa reunion? BOLD trade predictions, Seranthony switches clubhouses, Yanks add Slater · Foul Territory

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: It's ft breaking news. This one is a shocker. Key
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  Speaker 1: Brian Hayes moving from the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Cincinnati Reds.
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  Speaker 1: I'll read this breaking news tweet from Jeff Passen, who
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  Speaker 1: talks about how he's among the best defensive players in
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  Speaker 1: baseball and has five years of control beyond this season.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna verbally mention first of all, the return, which
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  Speaker 1: is shortstop prospect Sammy Stefora, who looks like he's like
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: a top ten ish prospector right around that range, and
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Rogers from the Reds. I think some of that
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  Speaker 1: has to do with money going back on the Pittsburgh side. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so there's your return. And Mike Petriello said the Pittsburgh
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati trade is so fascinating and sort of hard to
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  Speaker 1: wrap your head around. Hey, Brian Hayes elite top end defender,
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  Speaker 1: so good, but Cincinnati third basement has a sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: weighted runs created plus third weakest and he's hit worse
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  Speaker 1: in each of the last two years. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: ballpark profile thing that I love, a fun, unexpected trade.
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  Speaker 1: So that's been a problem spot for them. Although let
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  Speaker 1: me point out wellbe Marte has been on a heater lately.
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  Speaker 1: Did they just not like his defense? I mean he's raking.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you know, I know he missed some time.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got one hundred and forty six played appearances
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  Speaker 1: this year eight twenty nine.
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  Speaker 2: Ops, this is confusing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm lost, Like do you want people were mentioning it.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: This is confusing today.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want Hayes starting over Marte at third?
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  Speaker 2: I want it? Okay, maybe move Hayes somewhere else? Can
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: they move somewhere else? Though? But does he I mean
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  Speaker 2: you have Ellie at short? Do you move Marte somewhere else?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So, like let's go through what their lineup looks
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  Speaker 1: like right now on Fangrafts against right handed pitching. Gavin
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  Speaker 1: Lux left fielder, leading off, Matt McClean.
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  Speaker 2: Two, second, second basem right, Well, luck they.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't left field here. Then McLean at second, Elliott short
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  Speaker 1: hitting third, Austin Hayes. They have in here is dh
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  Speaker 1: which can rotate around right field, Jake Frayley first base,
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Steer, Tyler Stevenson at catcher. They've got Benson here
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  Speaker 1: at center field, and then Marte mclin second base, batting second,
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  Speaker 1: but Marte at third base Raking right now, and I
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  Speaker 1: mean I'm gonna go off eye test. He's looked okay there,
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  Speaker 1: and defensive metrics minus two out above average the outfield
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  Speaker 1: recently Marte, so they so they moved Marte to the
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  Speaker 1: outfield and they improved the third base defense. Hey, I
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  Speaker 1: love a great glove at third, but is he going
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  Speaker 1: to hit enough? Will the Reds fix him?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know?
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  Speaker 1: And did they just tell us, Okay, we tried for
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: Gina Suarez, couldn't get him, So we're going with the
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  Speaker 1: run prevention over the power bat.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't have enough to get Suarez.
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  Speaker 1: They have enough. They probably just didn't offer enough or
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  Speaker 1: they lost out the bid to.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the Reds value at on their team?
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  Speaker 2: Pitching?
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  Speaker 1: Pitching?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've seen people, you've seen teams say and historically
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati is a joke. Maybe the fact that the ball's
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: not traveling as much, but the park like that was
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  Speaker 3: historically offensive park. Now you look down there pitching their starters,
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, Emilia Pagan closing, you have a Cintilo Cinilla
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  Speaker 3: like just throwing just fuel out of their pen. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: they're doubling down and saying, you know what, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: pick it. Jose Trevina, I think is actually catching more
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  Speaker 3: than Tyler Stevenson. They extended him. Okay there now they're sorry.
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  Speaker 3: They're pretty much split skis. But you have like maybe
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  Speaker 3: they're just doubling down on that defense. It's an interesting move.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the Phillies offered more for Gino Suarez.
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  Speaker 1: San Tian by the way, that you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: for pitching it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was trying to think of.
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  Speaker 3: I was mixing the closer for the Cubs and the
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  Speaker 3: guy for the Reds too.
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  Speaker 1: So one Pirates fan chiming in in the chat, Matt
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  Speaker 1: c said, Pittsburgh Pirate fan, here, if Cincinnati gets Hayes
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  Speaker 1: to elevate, he'll be the best third basement in baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Not hyperbole. He just refused to change his swing here.
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  Speaker 1: Remember there's a deep history of contention with key Brian
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  Speaker 1: Hayes and his swing. See if I can pull up
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  Speaker 1: this story quick enough to be able to comment on
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  Speaker 1: it accurately. But okay. In twenty twenty three, he was
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: secretly working late in the season at a private hitting
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  Speaker 1: facility in Pittsburgh with John Nunneley, former big leaguer and
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  Speaker 1: he was the double A hitting coach at the time.
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  Speaker 1: But Hayes was frustrated and said, it's my career. I
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  Speaker 1: got to do it's best for me. And then he
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  Speaker 1: actually did hit well to finish the season and that
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  Speaker 1: was the only time he really saw some pop from him.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: They fired Nunneley obviously they were secretly doing this, and
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  Speaker 1: now I think he still works with him privately now
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  Speaker 1: in fairness, I mean, he hasn't hit since then. The
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  Speaker 1: last two years have been a disaster, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: think any of us know if he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to turn his bat around. But is that the
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  Speaker 1: move that helps the Reds reach the postseason this year?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe cool. I don't know if it's the best, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe he makes some plays defensively.
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  Speaker 1: And he's making money too. It's not like you're not
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  Speaker 1: spending any money on him. I know Rogers gets flipped,
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  Speaker 1: so that probably helps to offset some things. But Hayes
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  Speaker 1: signed an eight year, seventy million dollar extension in twenty
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: twenty two that goes through twenty twenty nine. He's getting paid,
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  Speaker 1: I mean contract and we'll find out more about the
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: money breakdown here, but the contract for Hayes. You know
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  Speaker 1: he's getting seven mil this year, seven mil next year,
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  Speaker 1: seven million, twenty seven, eight million, twenty eight, eight mill
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  Speaker 1: and twenty nine and there's a club option for twelve
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  Speaker 1: mill and twenty thirty.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting paid a lot to not hit. He's
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: got a great agent.
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  Speaker 1: I did not see that one coming out.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, I would say, that's the value. What's
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: what's one war? What's one war worth in free agency?
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  Speaker 3: Seven million dollars? Yeah, he's putting up he's putting that
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  Speaker 3: up in he's putting that up in defense alone.
• 6:51
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  Speaker 1: but you're just banking on him being you know, close
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  Speaker 1: to a league average bat right, which he's done once
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: in his career. That was in twenty twenty three when
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: he finished strong he was a one oh three ops plus.
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  Speaker 1: The other seasons around that full seasons or full ish seat, well,
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  Speaker 1: there hasn't really been. He hasn't really played anything close
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  Speaker 1: to a full season. The fullest was twenty twenty two,
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty six games played, and he was
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: at a eighty eight eighty six ops plus the year
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  Speaker 1: before that, and then the last two seasons sixty one
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: and fifty nine, and that's not a major league hitter. Like,
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: if you got one more year of that, you have
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: a hard time finding a spot. I don't care how
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  Speaker 1: good your glove is, you definitely have a hard time
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  Speaker 1: finding a spot.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: I must see start change. That's the only thing I
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: can say the race. The Reds sees something that they
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: can change, and everyone keeps saying, oh in the chat,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: oh oh, it's because he wouldn't elevate the ball. Well,
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: maybe the Reds have a way to get him to
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: do it. I don't know. Maybe he's a change of
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: scenery guy. I don't know. Hopefully it works out for
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  Speaker 2: both teams.
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  Speaker 1: It's an expensive lottery ticket though, because let's say this
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: is the real Key Briant Hayes bat, that's not a
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: big league bat. You're on the hook for a lot
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: of money. Unless there's a ton of money being eaten
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: up on the Pittsburgh Pirates side of this trade. For
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: the Reds are a small market team, seven million dollars
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: is not nothing. That's not a backup player for them.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: They don't pay backup players. Seven million dollars. So Kratz
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: one win, one win war, that's what you get. Yeah,
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: but you need the guy to hit a little bit.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: I mean he's around one this year, he was close
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  Speaker 1: to one last year and more and the two seasons
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  Speaker 1: before that obviously was much higher because he was closer
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  Speaker 1: to league average with his bat. So that's where you're
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: more of a four win player. So that's what they're
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: banking on. If you're a four win player and you
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: cost seven million bucks, ooh great.
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: And maybe he's he's more valuable to a team that pitches,
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: a team that has to put the ball on the ground,
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: a team that can't rely on the ball in the air,
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: and third base is a valuable position. This is the
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  Speaker 3: same organization that we were like, Wow, this Red's team.
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: They're primed to go, what's this free agent they're going
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: to get GMR Candelario. They're still saying him right now.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: It didn't seem like it was a good fit. Maybe
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: this is the Reds being like, now we see this
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  Speaker 3: is a good fit. We're gonna definitely get it. Jimer
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  Speaker 3: Candelario's being paid by the Reds in Scranton playing in
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  Speaker 3: Triple A for the Yankees.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: There's a show that absolutely torched that deal. You're watching
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: it right now. We all collectively torched that deal. We
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: disagree a lot, but we all torched that deal.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: That was a massive fail. It did not make sense.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: It did not make sense at the time. Three years,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: forty five million, and I don't think any other team
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: was offering close to that. And good for the player,
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: he got his cash, but he's not worth that. And
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: for the Reds to take on that risk, it did
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: not make a lot of sense. This is a small
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: market team. You can't miss on risks like that. So
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: that's my point here. This is a significant risk for them.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: It is see, we'll see what happens.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just shocked. I'm shocked. Are you shocked?
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: I said that I can't believe that this happened. Now
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: it doesn't say.
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I truly believe that a team like the Yankees,
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: we're going to be able to like, be able to
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: swallow his lack of offense because of the defense. I
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: thought a team like the Blue Jays, who it's like, hey,
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: you know, they need to hit, need to slug more.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: They were a team that'd be like, who cares. We
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: knew Andre Simenez wasn't gonna hit that great, we want
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: that defense. We swallowed a lot of that contract. You know,
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: some teams double triple quadruple down on defense. Maybe the
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Rads are doing that. Maybe newel Vi Martes, you know
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: recent recent surge, is gonna play him in left field.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe don't feel like left field in since in Uh
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: the small park, great American small park in Cincinnati really
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: needs like a gold glove left fielder, but they think
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: they need gold glove third baseman. With Lodolo running those
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: heaters in on righties, we need guys to make those plays,
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: Abbot or not, Abbot, Abbot's out.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, Singer got to hit.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: You gotta hit like this team, this team's not good
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: enough to have a player like that, like you mentioned, like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Yankees aren't picking this guy up. The Yankees aren't
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  Speaker 2: taking this guy now.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: They made a decision. They said no, no, no man, no chance.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Well no, he was saying before the McMahon.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Before after next year, they're not taking Cabrian Hayes.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, McMahon's a much better hitter than key. Brian Hayes.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: Yankees one kids that can hit. Man. Pirates won this trade.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Reds are doing.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: Pirates won this trade. Also, Petrillo who's the stackass guy.
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  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people like, oh, he's gonna
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: change his swing whatever, and he's like, back injuries make
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: me wonder if changing his path like that as possible.
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  Speaker 1: It's a flat swing.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes guys can do it, and sometimes they don't.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Sometimes guys don't want to do it right.
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't want to do it, or sometimes it
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't work for them. Here's Nohiles, who's super dial
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: on the Pirates. He's an every day guy covering them,
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  Speaker 1: he said. Source confirms the deal. I'm told the Reds
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: will take on all of the contract Taylor Rogers money
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: this season makes the deal financially awash this season. Gied
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Triola is going to take over at third base for
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: now for the Pirates. But they just dumped the whole
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: contract after this year.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: Pirates dump the Reds. I don't know what the Reds
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: are doing. The Pirates won this trade. I think the
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: big contracts. Nunn is doing cartwheels down the hallway right now.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ben Charrington's probably just saved his job. He
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: might just want trade a lot of money contract. I'm nothing.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: He's doing cart wheels down that thing, and they have
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: in the outfield out there the circle thing, the way.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: Down, all the way down.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: He told Ben Cherrington, you want a contract, you need
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  Speaker 3: to figure out how to find seven million dollars for
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: the next five years and I'll end up paying you
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  Speaker 3: out of that money. And ben Cherrington's like, chitch, I'm
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: a text Ben right now.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Ben Cherrington, I think sent his sixth
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: season running the team. The five year plan has failed
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: so far failed, and they did give out some extensions,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: some of them have not worked like this one. So
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: while I'm going to be very critical of where the
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Pirates are at as an organization, I am going to
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: give them credit on this one. This is not a
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: team that can afford to have a player like that
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: who also needed a change of scenery very badly. But
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: I'm with aj here, huge win for them to dump
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  Speaker 1: a player like this. This was not helping them at all.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Pirates need offense badly. They've got some special starting pitchers
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: led by Schemes. Jared Jones should be back next year.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Baba Chandler could be a top end starter. They also
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: have the top prospect in all of baseball right now
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: in Connor Griffin. According to Baseball America, Nei'll take some time,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: but still there are some promising parts of this team.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Will they spend in free agencies always the question, but
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: this one makes sense, Right, They probably won't, but this
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: makes sense. What I was told is that the big
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: aims have been going on team control for multiple years.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Biggest names we're talking about on the market that might
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: not actually move, think Stephen Kwan, Jan Duran, Sandy al Contra,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Mitch Keller. Right, these are all players that do not
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: have to move, and that would all be very impactful
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: for a playoff team. Agree.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: The asking price is high, and you're going to go
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: for your A listers until you eventually go to the
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: B list. Now, the B list isn't necessarily be list impact.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: It's just that they're rentals and you know they're moving.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: So unless you get a call from John Mozelac of
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals saying, hey, Hellsley's moving in the next hour,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: final offers now, and that hasn't happened yet, then you're
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: still working on Duran. Unless you get a call final
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: offers for Charlie Morton or some other pending free agent starter,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: then you're working on Mitch Keller. So at some point
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: that's going to end, and the dam's going to break,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: and the rental's gonna go, and it's gonna move. But
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm learning is that a team like Cleveland, a
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: team like Pittsburgh is holding tight. Some report out there
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: crats on Pittsburgh said that they were looking for a
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: top five prospect for David Bednar. Top five exactly, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: want to take you.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I think he's got like twenty.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I think he's got like twenty one consecutive score of
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: the so outings, nineteen consecutive. Like you're getting a hot
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: David Bednar right now. But a top five prospect maybe
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: like a top five, maybe like number five, and like
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: the worst system in Major League Baseball.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Not every system is treated equally. For example, the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Houston Astros, according to most publications, are bottom five in
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: terms of their prospect capital. If you take a top
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: five from them versus a top five from the Mariners,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it's very different. Miner's tenth best prospect might be top
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: three on half the orcs. So we're generalizing here, but
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the point is that the asking prices are sky high. Also,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: most front offices are pretty soft. Compared to the past,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: they're not as aggressive, and if they are aggressive, they
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: wait until the very last moment.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Well, well, they're scared because they don't want to be
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the one that gave up the next great player.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Armstrong, that's the name that gets brought.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Up right now, And Tatis is the other one.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but Tatis when he was traded.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Trust me, I talked a lot of people about this one,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and they said, well, talk Tis was like this skinny
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: kid that we didn't think had any power, and he
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: grew and got stronger. So I mean, listen, Pek Armstrong,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: but if you would have had if you would have
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: had the same But if you had had the same
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: conversation last year about Pek Armstrong, people wouldn't have cared
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: as much, right, because he's turned into something that last
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: year you watched him play. Last year, he wasn't what
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: he is now.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: No, you were like, hey, this is a this is
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: a nice player.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But now he's turned into a.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Star, superstar.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So people, that's why they're so These gms are so hesitant.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: They're so scared because they don't want to be that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: guy that gave up Pikarl Armstrong. My thing is you
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: don't want to be that guy Kratz that gave up
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Labor Torres for all this Chapman and changed Chicago baseball
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: history forever, Northside.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I'll do it every time. Who named me a player
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: that I would give up that's just played in the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: big leagues, Ken Griffy Junior. If it wins me a
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: World Series, I'm giving Ken Griffy Junior up.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: If he's three years away from the big leagues, I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: giving up.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Like I know, I know that might not be an
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: applicable thing. But if your team is built today to
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: win a World Series, which every player on the field
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: wants to do, there is not one prospect in your
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: system that is worth the better shot of winning it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: You can't guarantee it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I get that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: But if you feel like there's a player out there
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: that you could go get that can up your chances
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: to win the World Series, you do it, and you
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: will sleep better at night, whether you.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Win or you don't win, because you gave it everything
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you had.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Some people will clip what Crats just
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: said and be like, that's stupid. I'm not giving up
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: my top prospect for so and so. There's a very,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: very large gap between giving up stupid amount of prospects
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: for a player and what we see from most teams
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in the game today. Do you agree there's like this
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: middle ground that we're missing. Nobody's saying because I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: this is what a GM will say, Like, you think
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give up prospect A, B, and C
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in my system for that, and we're like, no, but
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: what about six through ten? Why are you hugging them
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: so damn tight you worried about all of them? That's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the part where I think there's a large gap right now.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I agreed, But my question is how many of those
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: prospects that you won't give up turn into star players?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Almost zero?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I mean there's very Listen, there's very few Bobby Witz,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: there's very few Gunner Henderson's. There's very few guys you
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: say I will not trade them no matter what, right
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: because most of the time, those guys get pushed through
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the minor league so fast they're already almost in the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: big leagues. Right, So you're not sitting there going, oh, man,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give up? Was it? Owen Cassie,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the guy for the we had on the spring training
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: for the for the Cubs, right, yeah, in Casey Owen Casey. Oh,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give up owing Casey for whoever.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And then Owen Casey comes up, and I mean Matt
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Shawe was supposed to be the second coming. They were
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: talking about him being this great player. He's strong right now,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: he might turn into it. But the Mets gave up
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: pe Chrome. I'm sorry for Hobby Bias, because they thought
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: they had a legitimate chance to make a deep run
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: in the postseason. It didn't work out, okay, but pe
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Kromstrogn at the time was like a nineteen year old
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: high school kid they didn't really know much about.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Who didn't have pop.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: The pop came this year, literally this year. Jed Hoyer
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is on the record saying two things. Number One, they
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: asked for a ton of other prospects before they got
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to PCA Ronnie Mauricio, Matt Allen, who's been a failed
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: prospect pitcher in the Mets system. That's number one, so
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it's not like they were targeting him. They got lucky
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and number two. Up until about a year ago, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: cub front office was like, Hey, we'd love for you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to play a little more small ball in your game.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: That's a real thing. And PCA is like, nah, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: rake I hit nukes and look at him now.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's become a man now, like not everybody
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: is a man at seventeen years old and can hit
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: dangers like he's. He's become the player that the Cubs
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: helped develop them. Who knows if he would have been
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: developed that way in any other organization. So there's credit
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: to the team that gets the guy. But I think
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: about twenty eleven, we didn't end up winning the World
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Series we should have with the Phillies and picked up
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Hunter Pence, and I was looking it up to see
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: who we picked up for him, Jared Cozart, Jonathan Singleton,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Josh Zide. You can do that with so many trades,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, Like the Phillies at the time, Reuben
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow at the time made the move to go get
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the best available bat that filled a hole and ended
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: up winning two World Series. He just won them a
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: different team. Like you had a chance to upgrade your team,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: they did it. And the guys that they got rid of,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I think there was one more player that was named later.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But like the guys that got rid of I think
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: they all made the big leagues, but they were not
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: big impact players. The way the hun under Pence was
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: for that twenty eleven team.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Derek Cole trade Joe Musgrove, who didn't shine until he
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: went to the Padres, Michael Felise, Colin Moran, who I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think was the biggest name at the time in that deal.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Former first round pick and outfielder Jason Martin had that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Joe Muskrove was the biggest. He was a bullpen guy
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: and he went to the Pirates and became a starter.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Like he was the biggest successful name at the time.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, the Padres franchise, He's not a franchise like Garrett
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Cole is. Garrett Cole literally has changed changed the Yankees.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: How about how about Wan Sota? Sorry, really fresh Juan Soto?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Which is Juan Soto top five player in the sport
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: even at the time, multiple years of control. That's looked
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: at as an absolute prize deal for the Nationals. Where
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: are the Padres now? Where the Nationals now? Again, We're
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: not saying, oh, just be reckless, guys, James would. I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: saying it was a huge uge hall But then that's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that's all they have. That's all they have.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: That's the three players they have that are I'm saying,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: be reckless.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: J's are still fired and they ended up flipping him
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and getting other guys back. So yes, I agree with you,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: be controlled reckless. Right, Okay, I'm just throwing that out there.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see some aggressiveness. We'll see what you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: look at.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The Dodgers are still proting O'Neil Cruz in Watson.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they traded away O'Neil Cruz, they traded away Jordon Alvarez.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: They won a World Series last year and they've been
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: good every year.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: They haven't missed though, they haven't missed those guys. O'Neil
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Cruz is a nice player, but he's not I mean,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he didn't fit on the Dodgers.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: They have Mookie Betts they have and yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Right, and then the other one that Jordon Alvarro is like, yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: he would have been nice. But what did they get
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to What did they get.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: For Jordon alvros Fields, Josh Fields. They missed but miss
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You gotta make some deal.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's the time. They didn't care because they were trying
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to get to the World Series and win it. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they didn't care. That's what you have to understand. That's
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: why listen. I mean, and Jordon has been great when
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: he's healthy, but he hasn't been healthy for like two
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: years now. Yeah, he's a star when he's That's what
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, car, but they have a DH they're in good
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: shape there.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah they have Otani.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, worked out for him. I just want to see
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: more aggressive, so we'll see what happens.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Krats.
• 25:22
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• 25:25
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• 25:29
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• 25:32
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• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going online doing auctions. I want it all in
• 25:37
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• 25:40
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• 25:43
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• 25:45
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• 25:49
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• 25:56
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• 26:00
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• 26:19
  Speaker 1: slab pack or card purchase. The freshest trade is Austin Slater,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: who does thrive against left handed pitching. Moving from the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: White Sox to the Yankees, you presume that the Yankees
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: now picked up Amed Rosario to fill in on days
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: where they're facing tough lefties, and they sit Ryan McMahon.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Same story here with Slater taking over in left field
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: for Jason di Mingez against left handed pitching.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Also, is this signal that maybe, well, Carol was right
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: about Judge being out a little bit longer than we thought,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: because you could also fill in and let Stanton dh right.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Hm, I don't know, it's not a bad thought.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Spot on, aj spot on, and you got and you
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: have to build your bench differently. If g is gonna
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: be in right field, you might only get two at
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: bats out of him. You might only get even three
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: at bats, and you sit there and you go, we
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: gotta put someone in there. Maybe we don't want this
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: guy hitting yet. Now we have Domingas who struggles right handed,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: but he does well left handed. Aaron Boone's gonna earn
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: his salary these last two months. If they have to
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: build the roster like.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: This, we'll put two in action going on with the Yanks.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. It's an interesting trade, Dovian. I mean,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the White Sox got a what their eighteenth prospect, a
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: twenty two year old kid.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Enable you're just looking to stack up as many lottery
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: tickets as possible if you're the White Sox.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: They sat Houser today, who was supposed to start, because
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: they're gonna trade him. I'll rip through some questions right now.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Casey said, what about Chris Sale? Anyone looking for a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: legit as haven't heard him talked about not getting traded,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: signed for next year, signed for next year next year. Yeah. Also,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think the rehabs moving too faster him right now.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And I don't blame the Braves rush him.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: They're not gonna They're not gonna win anything this year
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: except the worst, one of the most disappointing seasons of
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: all time.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: HM Doc said, chances of Stephen Kwan getting dealt I'll
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: go fifty to fifty.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I would say under that, I think they keep him
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: for next year because I think Stephen Vote says, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: got to have somebody to play for me next year.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: He's a star.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: He's a great player, really good player. Him and Ramirez
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: at the top of the order. They have to find
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: some other pieces, but those two are a great star
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: for any team. Steven Vote doesn't want to start over.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I think some teams recognize that he's probably an even
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: more important player for October. Elite defense, great Bess Runner
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: high baseball, IQ makes contact, has a little more pop
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: than he used to. I mean, that is a complete player,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and it gives you variety. And what changes in October
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the pitching. The pitching titans up so you don't face
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the crap, and no one's crap in the big leagues.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, you face the best
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of the best in October. So I think that's a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: big deal. But what would you put it at thirty percent?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Also, all the other gms love to stay out. Cleveland's
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so difficult to work with that trades.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Every GM is so hard to work with every GM.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: The most significant trade in the past twenty four hours,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: as we're digging in the weeds, is Sir Anthony de
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Mingez moving over to the Toronto Blue Jays, literally moving
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: over clubhouse to clubhouse. And then he pitched in game
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: two of the doubleheader. The trade goes down and they're
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: able to use him against his former club. It was
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: full of fun and awkwardness and he had a nice inting,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: nice little scoreless outing for a Blue Jays team that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it's to get it together. Doubleheader sweep pulled off by
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the Ools who are having fun one last ride with
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: their team until a bunch of their players get dealt.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And he wasn't the only one with the easy commute.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Jake Rill reporting how the prospect that moved knock Jeron
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: wats Brown they switching clubhouses in the minors because the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Double a New Hampshire team that's Toronto's affiliate, was playing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the double HSAPEAKEE team.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: That's why much harder because he's in the minor leagues.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: He's got to go back to New Hampshire and get
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: his jump. They didn't go back to Booie like. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe they'll maybe the Oriols will pay for
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: him to fly up there or something and drive back
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: or flying back. I don't know on an off day.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: But I mean, Sir Anthony Domingo is he can get
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: someone just to send his stuff. You know, the Orioles
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: will just pack his stuff. You can get a clubhouse,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: got to pack your stuff up and send it or
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: drive it up there. That's much easier than what just
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: happened to the minor league guy.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: What do we think about the Blue Jays getting Sir
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Anthony Dimingez and Dafang Chad Green who wasn't having a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: great year. Blue Jay's trying to shore up the bullpen
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, this is a guy that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you can put into a big scenario in a big
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: game and in the playoffs. That's what you want. You
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: want to keep accumulating the circle of trust.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: It's a nice move. But if they don't start beating
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the Orioles, it's talking about it because they might get
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: swept in a four game series.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're still up for I know, I'm still like.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: They were so hot and then to come in and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: have this happen is is disappointing for the for the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Blue Jays for sure. I mean people keep saying it though.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Right now the most important trade in all of baseball
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: has been one that not a lot of people are
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: talking about. Savale for Andrew Vaughn, who's been absolutely on fire.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So he went to the Brew Crew.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Sometimes those little moves go a long way. Will Salmon
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and Mitch Mannon, who both report for the Athletics, say
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that the Blue Jays are now looking for a swingman
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: type reliever and another high leverage arm.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, them and every other team.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone wants a highlight average reliever. There are a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: lot available. I think they'll get one because I think
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they're more along the lines of doing something crazy crazy
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: for GM terms.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Like a top ten prospect, Like that's crazy.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: How dare they? But I do think that they're more
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: willing to do that because they recognize the window that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: they're in American leagues wide open. Yeah, who's the best
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: team in the American League exactly?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: You want to say the Tigers, but they've been god
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: awful for about two weeks now. Blue Jays. You want
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to say, but if they get spent by the Whorls,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: can you say that? I don't know, krats your thoughts.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I mean recency bias. Didn't just dim just teach us
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: about recency bias? Shouldn't we take all that stuff out
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: of the off the table? I still say it's I
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: still say it has to be the Tigers. I still
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: say they have to be the best team. But man,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: the Astros are like, well, why does nobody really think
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: we're good? Like we're about to get Jeremy Panna back.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: We think we're getting yor Don Alvarez back. Like, to me,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the Astros are in that conversation, I get it. The
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Blue Jays had the best record in baseball for a minute,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: But recency bias, no slug, there's a lot of just
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the American leagues just not as good as the National League.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: What would you like to see the Jays do.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That? High reliever?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I mean that that to me, I think they need
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: they need slug And I say that, but I also say, man,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: like they're doubling down and then they're tripling down this offseason,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: getting getting defense, like they went and got Andre Semenez
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: people are like, why would they want that contract, Like
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it's you know, he doesn't hit that much. They're like,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: it's tough to hit in this stadium. To me, I'd
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: love to see them get some kind of slug and
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: a high leverage reliever. I think if you're going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: take a chance on anything, take the chance that Eric
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Lawer is going to continue to do what he's doing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: He's probably not going to be one of your starters
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, so it's fine. I think he's going
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: to help you make it. And that Surezer is a
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: veteran and he knows when he's good and when he's
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: not good. So I feel like you got to trust
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: that and not waste the chance to get something other
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: pieces by just adding to your starting rotation. But I
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: know a lot of people are writing that they want
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: that swing guy, that starter slash reliever guy.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'll give you two tweets here, One from
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Mitch Bannon, who's covering the team for the Athletic. He said,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: some Jay's trade thoughts. Sir Anthony de Mangez can fill
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the Yimi Garcia role perfectly for the next few months.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: If Garcia comes back too great and then he was
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: talking about the prospect on the other side, big pitching development.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Win took a step in twenty five with an attack
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: mentality and new kick change. But trade helps the Jays
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: get better today. Well that's the point, is that you
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: can grow prospects like this if you've got a good
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: pitching development program, and that can turn into trade assets.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Some of them come up, and some of them obviously
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: turned into this and then last point Mark Finesand even
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: with the Dominge's acquisition, the Blue Jays remained firmly in
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the hunt for Cardinals closer Ryan Helsley. That'd be a great.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Pickup for Toronto.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I'd be a great pickup. And for me, if I'm Toronto,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I'm less concerned about grabbing a reliever who have years
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of control. Of Sure, that'd be great. Yeah, it's right now,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So go your rental and let's play ball.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: As Atkins and Shapiro, they know that they're full go
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: right now, full go.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I don't care about three year reliever.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I want what might be gone at the end of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the year. They could lose some other guys, so I
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: mean it's full go right now.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Angels acquiring left handed reliever Andrew Chaffin from the Washington Nationals.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: So does that mean the Nationals or excuse me, the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Angels are in by mode and they're shutting down the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Taylor war Tyler Anderson, Kenley Jansen, Luis ran Hifo kind
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: of conversations.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Angels are doing this this,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing. What are they doing?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Who's their owner?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Didn't they do this last? Was it two years ago
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: with Gilito and years ago a d f A. I'm like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: right before that, they put them on waivers or whatever,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: right before the end of September so it wouldn't go
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: against their salary luxury cap tax thing. Like, I don't
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: know what they're doing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: They also got Luis Garcia in this deal and they
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: give out Jake Edar and Sam Brown prospects.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Cool. Cool, I mean I don't know, Like, I don't
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: know what they're doing. The five games, okay, they they're
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: pushing their chip in. Sorry, they're four games out behind Royals, Guardians, Rays,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and Rangers. Are they better than any of those teams
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: above them?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: They might be if the Guardians and the Race.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Sell, okay, but they still have the.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Royals maybe one team falls off.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Rangers, Mariners, Red Sox Yankees, Red Sox, Marriners, they better
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: knowse three.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: The problem is you're not dealing with someone who knows
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: ball that well. The owner is in charge and he
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: likes to do whatever the heck he wants. It's a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: unique situation there. I'm gonna bring up something from some
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: people in the chat. They're like, hey, you guys criticize
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the Angels sometimes. Do you want them to buy or
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: do you want them to sell? I don't want them
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to buy it, but.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I want them to buy. Like, if they're gonna buy,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: they gotta buy at all.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not Chaffin and Chaffin and Luis Garcia. That's nice
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: bullpen depth, but that's not going to win the right
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And for me, I don't even have those expectations for them.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Teams have different expectations for the Angels. I think we
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: all agree that if they even sniff the wildcard series,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: if they make the playoffs, this season is a roaring success.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: They were almost a one hundred lost team last year.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: They haven't been to the playoffs in forever, so if
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: they even sniffed the playoffs, I can even make a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: case that if we get to the final week or
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: so of the season and they're in the hunt. That
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: would be a roaring success. That's why I think I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: okay with the Angels saying, you know what, there are
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of teams selling in the American League. Let's
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: be one of the teams that tries to push chips in.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: But if you're gonna do that, then let's see you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: do something. Is that your point?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, And that's not a knock on Chafin or Garcia. No,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But it's just like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: in this, but that doesn't move the needle for me.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Like I want a needle mover whatever that is, a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: bad reliever, whatever that is. I want something that, you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a top frontline starter, because they haven't had those guys.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: If they're on.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Al Contra, what if Arty Moreno says I'm never going
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: to spend in free agency for a good starting pitcher,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: and Perrimanagian's like, I'll fix you, Alredy, I'll go get
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: my starting pitcher from another team, just saying it's somebody
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: that because they want this team to win. To me,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: that would be a great move. So fans are like well,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: what do you want him to do? That would be
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: a great move because he would be around for next year.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a gamble, I get it, but you
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: gotta got a gamble. When your owner's kind of a
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: loose cannon with how he spends his money, you got
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to go out and spend it on good stuff. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I think our contract could be good stuff.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting If they could do what the
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Padres do with Sodo, trade for him and if it
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't work, if it works out and they're not good
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: next year, turn it around and get another package back
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I could not agree more.
• 39:34
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• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be nice. I know there's about fifteen
• 39:39
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• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Soriano good, Kyler Anderson's pretty solid, Kyle Hendricks actually having
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a decent year. Give me Sandy in that rotation.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yea changes things.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. There are multiple options there, there's Sandy.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: There's the point here is that if you're the Angels
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and you want to buy, buying a long term piece
• 40:01
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest name to pop up this morning
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: was Carlos Correa. We asked Ken Rosenthal and Jimboden about
• 41:24
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• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Hayman Injury Wrecked First Place. Astros have enquired about former
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: star Carlos Korea. Astros have been preferring a lefty hitting infielder,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: but they do love Korea, who's a righty bat. So
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: do the Twins. But they're also in cell mode now. Now,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Kara has been pretty vocal about how he likes being
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. There have been reports since this one from
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I believe Bob Nightingale saying that Korea told teammates A
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: he'd waive the no trade clause B he'd be down
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: for third base. Okay, now we're talking, but let me
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: p this part. Let's say the Twins eat half the contract.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: He's got twelve million left this year and then about
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I think ninety three million over three seasons. He's got
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: chronic injury issues and he's struggling this year, he's about
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: a zero war player Baseball Reference. Now, do I think
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: he'd be better the last couple months if he's healthy, Yes,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: But is that who you want to push your chips
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: in for just because the reunion sounds good? Like, do
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: you believe that Kraa can kind of be revitalized here
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season and help the Astros
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: in their chase for a World Series? Trying to evaluate
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the player because right now, if you look at the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: stats that front offices look at, it's been a really
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: tough year, even fielding wise. I mean, he's had some
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: great seasons. His range out above average is twenty six
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: percentile negative two right now. So I want to make
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: sure that he's okay. That's why he had issues getting
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the long term contract in the first place, because of
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: chronic injury issues.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I can't see him trading him. I just can't.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: You don't see it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I mean, would the Twins
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: probably like to do that, probably, but they not what
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the money owed, and I mean they'd have to eat
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of the money if they want to get
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: anything back in return for him. And I don't see
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the Astros making that move. I just don't think that's
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the move that's gonna get them over the top. Nothing
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: against Carlos Korea, but Paya comes back, Parades comes back.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Where does Korea play? You think he's gonna be happy?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But doing that? Well?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Ray is gonna play third, and then Rady's the second.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah's gonna I don't know the Kara will be okay
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: with Do you think Karreyo will be okay with that?
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: After having knowing Karrea a little bit Kratz? I mean
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the way he playing third, Yeah, the way he's talked
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: about being the leader in the infield and all that,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: you think he'd be okay with that? I don't know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I do okay, I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: not saying he will or won't. I'm just asking.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I think if you asked him a year and a
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: half ago to go join like a super team and
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: play third, he'd be like what No. I think maybe
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: he re evaluates it right now. I think I think
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: that dude, all the stuff he does, he doesn't to
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: want to win, so to me, I think I think
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: he does. And maybe he says, hey, does that lack
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: of range? Is that lack above?
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Outs above average improve at third base. He's seen a
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: lot of his counterparts go to third base and have
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: successful careers.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a different turn on this one. Whatever
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: he says, he says, I think at this very moment
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: he wants out of Minnesota. I think the Aftros would
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: be a great landing spot. He's comfortable there, they're competing.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: There's probably a few other teams he'd be interested in
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: joining as well. I just think it's very complicated to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: get a trade like this done in twenty four hours.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: These trades are difficult. These are usually off season trades.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about how much money gets
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: eat up or eating up. In my mind, you're on
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a Minnesota team right now that is not able to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: do much in the transaction fold over the past few years.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: This is real business. They are for sale. There's only
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: so much that they can do. They can clear books,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: they can't really add to the books because it affects
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the sale price. We've talked about this. So if I'm
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Carlos Korea and I'm late in my career and all
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: he cares about, like we've talked about, is winning, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: this dude does nothing but Baseball twenty four to seven.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I think he wants to play for a contender right now.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: If Minnesota was going to be that team when he's
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: signed there, that's why he signed there.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But they're not right now. It lied to the next
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: few years. They're probably not going to be because they're
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: going through a sale process. I think he wants to
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: do I.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Don't think he gets traded, but I think he's pissed.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, Scott.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think he gets traded just because I don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: think it's I think it'd be tough. But they lied
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: to him. Of course he wants out. I had a
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: hard time believe me. He doesn't want out. Fyron Buckston,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: he said he doesn't want out.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: He likes it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Commendable to him. But they lied to Carlos Correa. They
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: told him, yes, we're gonna spend more. It's not just
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: gonna be you, and he said, I'm on board.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Actually a similar age too. I thought Buxton was younger,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: but Corey is thirty only thirty.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe I mean you come up pretty young. Makes sense?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Buckston's thirty one. Cray is almost thirty one.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: In September and Buxton's turning thirty two in December.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Dam reading find each other, weren't they? Yeah?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I think yeah so. But Buckston wants to stay. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: think Corey is down to go. Let's talk Twins closer.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Duran's having a great year. Sell high.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can always find relievers. I can find reliever
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: after reliever after reliever.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: On the contender side. He can win you a World Series.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Here's the way I look at closers. Can I picture
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: him if we get to the World Series, being on
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the mound to close the game seven out the world
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: as chairmans? He that guy for the Cubs. Yes, absolutely,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: trade I'm talking about guys that were traded during the season.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Can you see Joan Duran on the mound with the
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: light show going off the seventh innings, ninth inning of
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Game seven of a World Series? Can he close it out?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Is that something you would like if you're a contending team. No. Absolutely,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: So That's the way I look at closers. When these
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: trades are made, if they're going to stay as closers.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Mark Finzan saying a few minutes ago, sources say, quote
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: things are moving on Duran. Twins could move their closer
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: today Any team wants him. Any team that's in a
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: playoff race wants him.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: They're not waiting around. They're not waiting around. I think
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: he's He's a perfect fit for any team that needs
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: a closer. I think the teams that are have a
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: solidified closer probably won't bid as high.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: And he's probably the best one on the market. Would
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you agree with that?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want him? Do you want him? Or Hellsley?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Asking either of you guys you want him? Even though Hellsley,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I think he's more of a strikeout guy, more strikeouts.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Duran's more of a weak contact.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Guy this year, though they're pretty much in the same realm,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: are they? Because Helsley's down a little this year. Last
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: year he was ridiculous. And remember, relief pitching is about
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the hot hand. Relievers are volatile. Helsley's great. When I say, oh,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I want Duran over Helsley, it's not like I'm saying, oh,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want Helsley. I think there are five to
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: seven relievers that are available that I feel really comfortable
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: about pitching seven, d eight, or ninth inning in a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: playoff game. For me, Helsley's on that list. Duran's just
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit higher. For me, I think the stuff
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: is a little better and more unique. And yes, strikeout
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: numbers this year, Ryan Helsley thirty six innings, forty one
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: K's Duran forty nine in the third innings. It's a
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: lot already fifty three case, so they're in basically the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: same spot with their k rate. Duran's got a two
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to one ERA, Helsley's got a three to double oh era.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: They're both great. One is going to cost way more.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Duran is going to cost way more because of the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: team control. He's got two years left after this, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: keep in mind, or is it two years left after
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: this or one year left after this? I'll double check that,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: but either way, this is multiple years of control of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: a guy who could close out a world series for you.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: So that stands out to me. Why who do you think, Kratz?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Do you prefer Hellsley this year in October? Because for me,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, they both would be great options. If a
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: contender gets one of them, you should be flipping out
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: in happiness. If you're a fan.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: It's two years more control of Duran and after this
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I'd take it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, he's free agent after twenty seven, although I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: remember twenty twenty seven might be a little wonky season
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: because we're going to have a lockout.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: But anyway, you're looking to win today's World Series and
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: tomorrow's World Series, not twenty twenty sevens. But yes, I
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: hear what you're saying right now, I take Duren. But
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: the reason I asked was because last year you would
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: have said the opposite, Hellsley was more on fire. This offseason,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: you would have taken Hellsley over Duran, even with the
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: even with the years of control, it cost you less
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and Helsley was coming off of a banger year. Duran
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: that splinker, He's like one of the original splinker guys.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: I think that plays in the playoffs, that splitter when
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: guys are trying to catch up to one hundred and
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: two hundred and three, I think it plays. There's a
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: little uptick in his strikeouts this year, and who knows,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: maybe he goes to a team that really knows, Hey,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna We're gonna unlock that strikeout
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: potential and it might be overuse of a certain pitch
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: more than what the Twins were doing.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and for Duran, last year was a little bit
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of a blitz for him. He had a late start.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Year before.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Twenty three he was ridiculous exactly, and he was still
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: good last year. He just he had a slow start.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I'm looking back to some of the articles. He had
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: mechanical issues since spring training. They found an issue in May,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and then also he was critical this spring training about
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: his conditioning last year. He said he was on a
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: plan in twenty twenty three, and then he changed it
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the next year, changed back this year. Whatever, he's good,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: he's very damn good. All right, let's throw another rumor
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: on the screen and react to it. Adrian Hawser scratched
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: from his start today for the White Sox, hasn't been
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: traded yet, this according to John Hammond, but they're holding
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: out in anticipation of a deal by six o'clock Eastern
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: time tomorrow. Makes total sense, easy pick up for them,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: having a really solid year, rotation filler for a team.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: He's not going to start a playoff game, even though
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: he's having a really nice year.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Really a seven game series. He could be a fourth option, okay, right,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I mean he's having a nice year, especially since all right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: he's a fourth year. If you're the Astros, and you
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: can get ce Sanhauser and you go fromber Hunter Brown
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: sees Houser. It's not the worst thing in the world
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: coming back.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just doing I'm just throwing a random team out there.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going Blue Jays. I'm going Blue Jays. They need
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: they don't really need a starter, and yet everyone's linking
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: them to starters. So you're sitting there going, Okay, it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: somebody that can eat innings. To me, I think I've
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: always felt like House was a guy because he came
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: up when I was with the Brewers. He was a
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: dude that threw up on the mound the day they
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: called him up to the big leagues. But to me,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: he was he was a huge I thought he'd be
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: a great San Francisco Giant. Puts the ball in play,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: not a lot of homers. And you see what happens
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: this year. You know, he changes his diet a little bit.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: He's having a great year, but the Giants are out
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: of it. So in my opinion, I don't think, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I don't see him, but he's I think a blue Jay,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: kind of like a fourth or fifth starter type of
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: role for him, and he has pitch out of the
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: pen a little bit.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I like all that everything you said. What about Luis Robert?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Latest rumors flying around? Last night, Mark fine Ten reported
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: that the Mets have been one of the more aggressive
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: teams in pursuit of Robert, and fine Ten said, Luisan
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Helacuna is at least one name that's been brought up
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: in trade discussions. I think the White Sox would do
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that pretty quickly. No, you're gonna get a major league
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: player now, is Luis and Helocunya gonna be a start? No,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be in the league for
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: a while as a nice super utility player.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim Jim said the other day he said, I
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: would put him on the Phillies and put him right
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: in between Bryce Harper and Kyle Schwarver's locker. Obviously, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: don't know their clubhouse. I don't know the Mets clubhouse.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: If I'm looking from Afar, I think Luise Robert fits
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: more on the Mets, and you put him in between
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: two Latin players who say, this is what our goal
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: is here, this is how we're gonna win. It's not
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: a it's not anything about Arber or Harper, it's how
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: do you get the most out of this guy and
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: say we need you to show up every single day.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: So and I'm not sure who that is for the Mets,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: but whatever it is, I completely agreed with Jim, just
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: maybe not with the Phillies and more with the Mets
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: because the guy's still stealing bases. Like, yes, he's hitting
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: whatever he's hitting, but he's still stealing basis. He will
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: add value to a team, just not the twenty twenty
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: three All Star value.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I think you can catch lightning in a bottle with him.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: And that's why they're getting a ton of phone calls.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: And so the White Socks are like, oh, we're getting
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of calls, then we should get a higher
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: level prospect. And then he's just like, whoa, whoa what
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: We're interested, But.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, calls doesn't mean you get more for him. Yeah,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: for the same thing.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's an elite defender to Crats, which will
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: help them a lot. He'll be a center field to
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: upgrade for the.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Two months.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Give me two months and put him next to Lindor Soto,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Starling Marte. It will make it difference. Those are winning players. Harper, Well,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: he just said I mean there there is a Latin
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: player component. I am actually in between.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, so just you're talking about the Latin player component. Yeah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: well when they had a bray you, Jimenez Moncata different,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: what happened? What happened when a bra You left.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that, that's what happened when a
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Braid left.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not arguing. I'm just saying how it's
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: the component. And they had a manager and the manager
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: too that come on, stop, I won't even start with that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: But managers from Puerto Rico isn't from Puerto Rico. Pedro
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Garfall from Miami, He's he's of Latin descent.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, bad, bad, higher, that's it to me. Luis Robert
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: was on a playoff team. He knew what the playoffs
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: look like when they had the blackout at Comiskey Park,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: when they had the blackout at rape Field in Chicago.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Like, he knows what the playoffs looks like. Does he
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: want that? I don't know.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: That's that's whatever he like. It's his choice. He is
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: a guy that needs to make the choice. I want
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: to be an everyday player. And I'm not saying, Jose
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Bray you was that to him. But if somebody like
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: that has a you know, is swaying on the fence
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: and says, I don't know which way I want to go,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Like my caff has banged up a little bit, do
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: I want to play? And Jose Bray is out there
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: as the as one Latin player told me, the godfather
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: of the Latin players with the White Sox, and he's
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: out there playing every single day at first base. Luis
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Roberts looking over and Jose goes, come on, puppy, we're
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: going out there. We're gonna go play. Then you go play.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: That's what happens in the clubhouse. That's what happens in
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: the clubhouse. Guys make It's not just Latin players, it's
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: American players. I saw a guy get traded over to
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: a team I played on that had a superstar that
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: wouldn't play entire games. This dude was like, I'm not
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: coming out in the seventh and the superstar was like,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not coming out either. We needed him coming down
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: to stretch. So it's something that it it fluctuated flows
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: through the team when you have guys that other guys
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: look at and don't want to be shown up or
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: that don't want to that that want to follow somebody
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: and like they get on board.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: So to me, Luis Roberts, there he's that guy. He
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: can be that guy. Who are the players?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know the players, Christian Yelich, Ryan Braun. Okay, boom,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: there you go, there you go? Okay, great Yelly is
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: that yelly? Yelly is very He's not a very He's
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: not a very loud leader. He's a very quiet leader.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: This dude would play every day. Lorenzo Caine plays every day.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: They would bust on Brownie all the time, and all
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, Brownie's.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Like, Noah, screw that, we need it. I want to
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: be out there.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Guess who hits two homers against the Tigers at the
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: end of the season, just.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: To add to his Brewer's lore.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Like that kind of stuff pushes locker rooms to the
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: next level, gets the most out of players, and it's awesome.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Ryan Braun was dealing with stuff with his back that
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: like maybe he shouldn't have been out there all nine innings,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: but this dude pushed it. And I also think it
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: was because of the guys that they brought in and
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: helped him push.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: It and he was in it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Just to finish on this. I actually think either franchise
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: would work well for Robert. If he goes to the
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Phillies or the Mats, you're suddenly vaulted into a clubhouse
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: full of superstars. They're playing, they're in a race. That's
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: why I'm in the middle. I think either team would
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: vault him to a different spot and put him in
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: a position to be a big factor down the stretch.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: One more let's do one more rumor and then we're
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: going to focus on the Padres for a little bit.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: This is actually a former Padre prospect, John Hayman said.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Nearly every contender has checked on NAT's All Star lefty
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: McKenzie Gore. Na's our listening as promised, but most come
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: away thinking that mackenzie Gore stays in DC. This is
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a massive, massive mistake. If they get what they want,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: we're close to it. I would trade him.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a career year for get a huge,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: huge deal like a Soto type return, And how would
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: you not This is a.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Career year for McKenzie gore. Career year, you trade him.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, it could be a number one starter.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Al Contra type of return. And that's why I asked Jim.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: When I asked him, like, if you see what is
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: out there, and if he said everything's going the word
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: that he says, it goes like, Hey, this is my
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: first guy, this is my second guy. What's going on
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: with this guy? All of a sudden, the that's gonna
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, we just saw that. I know you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: called me three days ago asking see what the package
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: is for our contra.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: My guy's pitching.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Every five days, lights out all star status this year.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: How about we match what they gave. You know what
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: the Marlins got for our contra?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Yep, three and a half evra on a bad team,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: fantastic strikeout numbers, which stands out. You're looking for swinging
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: miss starters for your playoff rotation and down the stretch.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: This fits that too. Yeah, And for this, I put
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the Gnats in a similar spot to the Twins in
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: terms of the state of their franchise. The Twins are
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: a much better team right now, but they are also
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: in flux. They're for sale and they're trying to keep
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: their books tight too. So the Knats have decided they're
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: not ready yet. They keep kicking the can right They're
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: gonna let this go for the next owner. At some point,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be sold in the next two years. I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: guarantee it. Okay, So, if you're the Nats, McKenzie Gorre
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: is not going to be there for that next big run.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: James wood is and hopefully you extend him, but and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: hopefully Dylan Cruz guys like that workout. McKenzie gor is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: not going to be there for that. And if I'm them,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I'm selling high on a career year for him because
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: next year they're not competing. The year after you have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: some lockout concerns, and then you're at his contract here,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I'm trading him right now. If he's going to be
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the biggest prize for a starter at the deadline, go
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: for it. I think teams love mackenzie Gore. Yeah, good,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: we all agree. I saw somebody I'm not even going
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: to say the name. Bring up what about a reunion
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: for Justin Verlander with the Astros? Hell no, hell no.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: The one thing I want to point out with the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Astros is that that if they do acquire Starter, it's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: going to be a top three starter in a rotation.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: What do they say though, What they say? Jim Crane
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: like Stars.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Stars, which that's a big name. But JV's not pitching
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: a playoff game for them anymore. And here's the thing.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Didn't pitch for him last year. Remember he didn't make
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: the playoff roster last year.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Correct that. They have a lot of guys coming back,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: and most of them you're not going to trust because
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you want to make sure they're okay health wise. But Kratz,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: if you look at the names coming back for the Astros,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I would pitch almost any of them in a playoff
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: game over Verlander in his current form. He's at the end,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: this might be his last season. Spencer Araghetti, Hell yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: pitching someone like that, and he's coming back, Javier's coming back.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Any of these guys, you're pitching them over justin Verlander.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: So I do not see that reunion happening.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: I mean JV might pitch again next year. I mean,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: I think he really wants that three hundred wins, so
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: he might pitch again, but he's not an I don't
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: think he's getting traded to a team that's going to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: use him in the playoffs. Let's put it that way.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: And I think the Astros are exactly what Jim said
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: looking for somebody that they can pitch the playoffs. He
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless things drastically change, he can getting a
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: three hundred. He's thirty seven more. He's gonna have to picture.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: He's not getting.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: He's not getting.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: He's one eighth this year.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: There's no way. And my thing is he's pitching for
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: a fringe playoff team that's now probably going to sell.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: He's got a foreign a FVRA and a top three
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: pitchers park in the sports. The RA plus is sub
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: league average. I don't think he's going to be able
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: to find a job with a contending team. Then does
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: he want to pitch for a crappy team to end
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: his career. I think he might call it.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: He said he wanted to pitch, so he's forty five.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I would love to see it, and everybody says that,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: but there's only one guy I know that could do it,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: and he got DFAD and he shouldn't have been doing it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I mean Michel baby, but I mean, I'm.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry, But like Jamie Moyer could do it because it
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: was a different time and it was a different era.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Amymore could probably still pitch today if he was at
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: what forty seven or however old he was. But I mean,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Jessin ber Lander, it's velocity and it's stuff and it's spin.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And when you get to forty, I made it till forty.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I would have loved to play it on forty five,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't happening for the people. We'll start with
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: bold prediction of people. I just keep scanning the Twitter
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: seeing things, but nothing is anyways.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: There's things, there's things. I'll get to a couple of things. Speculation, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: let's get to Instagram dms from our fans. We asked
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: for bold predictions. Let's just line them up one by one.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: You show us, we'll react to it. And remember this
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: came out about a day and a half ago, so
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: your bold prediction might turn into something that's kind of
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: obvious pretty quickly. But let's start with Jessica, Dustin May
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: for Cedric Mullins. And actually, the latest tweet I have
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: right now is from Joel Sherman, who's higher on Cedric Mullins.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Chance what happens? No chance of what Dustin May straight
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: up for Cedric Mullins. No chance, no chance, no chance,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: there's no chance, no chances.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: A bold prediction, Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: It's a bold, not a very smart prediction, because there's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: no chance. Give me something has a chance. Those two
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: straight up no chance.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Orioles need pitching, okay, and the Dodgers. Dodgers need Cedric
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Mullens for what they might acquire after they're interested in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Stephen Kuan.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Stephen quanvers Cedric Mullens for an animal.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, just trying to Well, my thing is I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: do think that, and yes, I agree that that's not
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the fit for the Mets. I mean for the Dodgers.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I think Moens is the fit for the Mets. I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: think they've been on him for a while. That's my
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: old sources, and when some of the Mets fans were
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: biting back at me about his year, I think he's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: better than you think. Joel Sherman agrees. Next one, this
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: is from will Giants have a fire cell?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Will the Giants are selling now? I don't know if
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: a fire sale, but they might shed Amo, yeah, maybe
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: another reliever. I don't think they're gonna do a ton.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: It's a weird fire sales. Fire sales are not for
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: teams that just added a franchise. Bat in Raphael Devers.
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  Speaker 2: Not no I think it makes a major trade. You
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  Speaker 2: think it makes a major league trades like major leaguer
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  Speaker 2: for close to major league ready or a major leaguer.
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  Speaker 2: I think they would do that, but no fire sales
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  Speaker 2: not happen, No bust proposing they're not this year. Sandy
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  Speaker 2: al Contra, Yeah, you would look nice in him and
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  Speaker 2: Logan web one two, Robbie.
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  Speaker 1: Ray O sign me up. That would not be a fire.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a fire by Here's Diego, Cedric Mullins,
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  Speaker 1: Sandy all Contra and Griff and Jack's landing on the Padres.
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  Speaker 2: How yeh and Mullins would play left field. Mullins wild
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  Speaker 2: play left field for him. No, the better question is
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  Speaker 2: that Potters will have that kind of prospects. Andrew Banka another.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mullins, I don't see to the Padres. He's gonna move,
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  Speaker 1: but not to the Padres. I don't see Sandy going
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to the Padres. The Padres have to be careful about money,
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to potentially move a starter and backfill it.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think the backfill is Sandy. Yeah, no,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Griffin Jacks. Maybe if the Padres trade Robert Suarez, I
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: could see them picking up someone like Griffin Jacks. So
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: on the back end of that, I could see that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: last one from the bold prediction side. Then we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to some questions. Joey said, Jason di Mingez and Oswald
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Perrazza for Luis Severino and Mason Miller not.
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  Speaker 2: Enough, not enough, and the a's need pitching. I don't
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: need hitting any pitching.
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  Speaker 1: Jason with two s's. I only say because everyone's always
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: all over me whenever I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I have a Jason Dimingo signed a card to anybody
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  Speaker 2: wants to buy it from me.
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  Speaker 1: It stocks a hold down and he's good, but he's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: not a potential superstar.
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  Speaker 2: And it was at one time they were talking about
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: him being like the next coming of Mickey Mantle.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Yea. They said that about Anthony Volpi too. They're they're
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: role players.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, But.
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  Speaker 1: I could see the Yankees, Well, could you see the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yankees trying for Severino based on no right, Yeah, I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: could see the Mets going for Severino and then Mason Miller. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the Yankees would love to have him.
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  Speaker 2: The sage you're gonna have to give a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Would you do hold up? Would you do Spencer Jones
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  Speaker 1: for Mason Miller straight up for both sides.
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  Speaker 2: They don't need another hitter. You just said it.
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  Speaker 1: Who doesn't need another hitter is oh, you want pitching
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  Speaker 1: in there?
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, they have a closer Devin Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think they would flinch at adding Miller.
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  Speaker 2: But also, do you think they give us Spencer Jones
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: for Mason Miller. No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. That's why I brought it up
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  Speaker 1: just for fun. I don't think so. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they need to find a guy who's under four years
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: of team control either. No, they are gonna lose some relievers.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Devin Williams is free agent coming up. I think Luke
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Weaver's a agent coming up, and they'll get ones and
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  Speaker 1: they'll get something. Can find those relievers.
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  Speaker 2: An I treated this guy for this guy and this
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: guy for this guy. He's like, I can find them relievers.
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  Speaker 1: That is true, and there are some teams that do
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: a much better job of developing relievers. The Yankees are
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: on that list for the mistakes they make right because
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: they they're not perfect. They definitely, in my mind, have
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: made some clunky rosters with fundamental issues. The last couple
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: of years. But they did make it to the World Series,
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  Speaker 1: so let's not fault them too much. They excel at
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: creating bullpen gems. They're really good at that. Luke Weaver
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: turning into what he did, very impressive adjustments. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: they've done that with quite a few guys, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: give them that. Let's get back to some questions. Stand by, no.
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  Speaker 3: More, no more boldness, what's AJ's bold move? Luis Robert's
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  Speaker 3: gonna stay?
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  Speaker 2: What's my bold move? What's my bold move? Trade deadlines
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  Speaker 2: and twenty eight hours it's been boring as hell so far.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: There's too many Yeah, there's too many levers though that
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  Speaker 1: are in the game right now that make it more
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: difficult to make trades. The qualifying offer was mentioned when
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I talked to Ken. The offer is rash. It's well,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: that's it's tied to that because what happens is teams say,
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  Speaker 1: why am I going to make this deal if I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: can get a first round pick for this player it's
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: a late first round pick. It's after the first round.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: If that player goes, it's also more slot money, and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: it's more slot money. So even if it's because there's
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: different lever levers. If it's a fifty million dollars plus contract,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: then you get after the first round. I think it's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: after the second round if you get a player under
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: that amount.
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  Speaker 2: For it's actually holding down value that the player association
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: thought it wouldn't, but it actually held down some guy's value.
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  Speaker 2: And like Nick Pavetta comes to mind.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's been a huge valuebuster. And for me, I'm
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: not even as concerned about that because you still get
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: the deals done. But when you have certain rules in
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: place that hurt trades, you need to rethink what you're
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: doing as a league. I'm not going to get into
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: that whole discussion again, but here we've got some ideas
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: from fans right now that are playing off the bold thing,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Josh said, Ryan O'Hearn to Detroit, going to happen.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Good, it could happen.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: It could happen. All right, people, here's the deal. We
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: have Trevor May's show popping up today to give you
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: more trade deadline coverage. We are going to be on
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: five hours tomorrow, but here's Trevor May first, so you'll
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: see him a little bit later today from May Day
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: moving to Wednesday. Actually word on the street as it
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: might move to Wednesday long term right after FT. We'll see,
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  Speaker 1: but check out Trevor today talking about trade deadline coverage.
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  Speaker 1: So you'll get more from Trevor on the FT YouTube
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: channel and on may Day's channel as well. A reminder
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: to everyone that we will do five hours of trade
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  Speaker 1: deadline coverage tomorrow one o'clock Eastern up till six o'clock Eastern.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: If you're watching on TV, will go onto three trade
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  Speaker 1: deadline coverage. Baby will be all over it.