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The Rita Panahi Show | 7 August · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scorn US Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is the Wader Panalkey Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the reader. Panekey Show. Coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight is Google's left wing bias impacting democracy in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Daniel Wilde joins me to discuss. Also joining me tonight
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Speaker 3: the Great Douglas Murray on the real reasons behind the
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Speaker 3: UK riot and the cowdese of authorities to address the
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Speaker 3: root issues. Army Horowitz will have the latest from the
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Speaker 3: US as Kamala Harris picks a radical socialist as her
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Speaker 3: running mate, and later in the hour, doctor Joanna Howe
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Speaker 3: on the contentious issue of late term abortions and we
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Speaker 3: never forget left he is losing it. Tonight's starring Hollywood,
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Speaker 3: a list of Ben Stiller, and the Veep makes yet
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Speaker 3: another appearance as a woman.
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Speaker 4: There is a balance to be struck between being tough
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Speaker 4: and be.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Deputy Executive Director of the Institute of
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Speaker 3: Public Affairs, Dan Wilde. Dan will start with the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: He's keen to have some of that Olympic glory rub
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Speaker 3: off on him. He posted a video on x of
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Speaker 3: a FaceTime conversation with some of our Olympic stars in Paris.
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Speaker 3: Albo's dog Toto also made an appearance.
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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, breaking from Australia.
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Speaker 3: We've been getting up very early here.
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Speaker 2: You can see my little friend here that she's collapsed.
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Speaker 4: Case of late nights, but very early morning.
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Speaker 3: So now we know air Bus loves and overseas Jawn,
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Speaker 3: So he must be concerned about Labour's fortunes if he's
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Speaker 3: decided to not make the trip to Paris for the Games.
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Speaker 3: The latest Guardian Essential Pole shows the pems apperival rating
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Speaker 3: has dipped to eight new low. His net approval rating
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Speaker 3: is minus nine, the lowest since he came to power
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Speaker 3: back in May twenty twenty two. What do you think
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Speaker 3: of that little clip? Wholesome fun, I think, But will
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Speaker 3: he be worried about this Essential Pole? It is seen
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Speaker 3: as a left leaning pole and even that isn't good
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Speaker 3: news for it.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think he will be worried about it, There's
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Speaker 6: no doubt about that. I think he comes across as
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Speaker 6: a bit inauthentic when he inserts himself. I don't think
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Speaker 6: he's fan income. When Bob Hawk was getting behind the
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Speaker 6: America's Kapa, when John Howard was in his track suit
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Speaker 6: at the Olympics, people knew it was from a place
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Speaker 6: of authenticity that these were genuine sports lovers. Alban Easy.
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Speaker 6: It just doesn't come across as authentic on those things.
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Speaker 6: And clearly they're concerned about the declining poll numbers. So
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Speaker 6: the big question really for the coalition though, is even
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Speaker 6: as labor goes down, are people going to go from
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Speaker 6: labor to liberal or are they going to park their
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Speaker 6: vote with a third party?
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Speaker 5: That's the big question.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you would think it. It'd be more at home.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, at a music festival or at summer
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Speaker 3: pub band that seems to be more is seen than
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Speaker 3: sporting events, but I could be wrong there. Talk about
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Speaker 3: talking about the Olympics, they're having all sorts of issues there.
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Speaker 3: The athletes are complaining. One swimmer, Adam Peaty from the
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Speaker 3: British team, has told I News that the athletes there
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Speaker 3: are finding worms in their food and also we've had
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Speaker 3: all sorts of criticism about the meals, not just the
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Speaker 3: worms but the fact that their plant based the athletes
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Speaker 3: aren't getting enough protein. Dan they've complained about the beds,
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Speaker 3: the lack of air conditioning. It's not easy being green.
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Speaker 3: They've tried to make these games environmentally friendly, and the
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Speaker 3: athletes are suffering.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think plant based is French for lacking flavor.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: The issue is, Look, if you want to be vegan,
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Speaker 6: that's fine, but it's being forced upon the athletes. They
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Speaker 6: need high protein, nutritious, dense meals so they can be
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Speaker 6: their best in whatever sport they're competing, and they're there
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Speaker 6: to win medals, to set records, to achieve excellence, and
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Speaker 6: instead we have this ideological agenda that's being imposed upon them.
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Speaker 6: We saw the opening ceremony, which is a showcase in ideology.
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Speaker 6: It's overshadowed the entire games. We've got the vegan issue,
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Speaker 6: We've got the beds which are made out of cardboard boxes,
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Speaker 6: people sleeping on park benches that they have to sleep
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Speaker 6: on the beds. So look, I think the Olympics just
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Speaker 6: needs to be focused on the sports, the athletes and
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Speaker 6: the support staff who are there to do their best.
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Speaker 3: You didn't even mention the x Y boxes fighting the women.
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Speaker 3: I'll be speaking to Douglas Murray about that later. Now
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Speaker 3: let's talk about big tech tyranny. It's a big news
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Speaker 3: item in the US, but we're starting to see some
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Speaker 3: awayeness in Australia, not much, but just some awareness of
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Speaker 3: how dangerous it is to have Google have a virtual monopoly.
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Speaker 3: Google earlier this year had to apologize for the extreme
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Speaker 3: left wing bias of its AI platform, and in the
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Speaker 3: past week it came under fire again for failing to
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Speaker 3: reduce search results on the assassination attempt on Donald Trumble,
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Speaker 3: for the search results to be all completely warped. You
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Speaker 3: search for a Donald Trump rally and you get Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris good news stories. So some of that is hard
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Speaker 3: to explain. They've tried to address it, it seems, and
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Speaker 3: there's no reason to believe that local search results aren't
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Speaker 3: being similarly impacted by that bias. South Australian Senator Alex
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Speaker 3: Antique told The Australian newspaper very few people truly understand
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Speaker 3: the enormous effect that the tech sector has on our
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Speaker 3: daily lives, and that needs to change. He makes an
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Speaker 3: excellent point there. This is how people find information, this
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Speaker 3: is how they communicate. Google has become a verb. It's
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Speaker 3: not just a company, and it is not a straight
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Speaker 3: down the middle company. It is highly political and when
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Speaker 3: you're the search engine. More than ninety percent of people
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Speaker 3: use that's a problem.
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Speaker 6: It's a big problem. Sen An antics ahead of the
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Speaker 6: curve on this one, as he is on so many
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Speaker 6: other issues. There's no doubt that Google and big tech
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Speaker 6: have been seeking to influence the outcomes of democratic processes
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Speaker 6: in Australia and across the Western world. We saw that
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Speaker 6: with the Voice to Parliament debate. You know, big tech
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Speaker 6: was censoring the opinions of the note case day in,
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Speaker 6: day out.
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Speaker 3: We know the story quickly on meta on Facebook and
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Speaker 3: Instagram where they were running those bogus fact checks and
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Speaker 3: x you had a bit more freedom, but certainly Facebook,
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Speaker 3: which seems to still be predominantly the main social media
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Speaker 3: platform in Australia, the bias there was stark.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's right, and as you point out, with Google,
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Speaker 6: it's the overwhelming majority in terms of who uses It's
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Speaker 6: basically a virtual shopfront, so most people will Google something
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Speaker 6: rather than typing in in a web address itself. So
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Speaker 6: the way that Google alters its algorithm is foundational to
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Speaker 6: the information flows through our democracy and I'm deeply concerned
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Speaker 6: about the bias that we know exists at Google.
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Speaker 3: Now on that big tech front, ex owner Elon Musk
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Speaker 3: is suing a cartel of advertisers and ad agencies who
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Speaker 3: have blocked ad revenue from going to certain platforms and
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Speaker 3: content creators. They say it's an illegal boycott, excess filed
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Speaker 3: and antitrust lawsuit against the World Federation of Advertisers and
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Speaker 3: the Global Alliance for Responsible Media and its members including
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Speaker 3: giants like Mars and Unilever. This is a bold move.
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk said, we tried peace for two years and
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Speaker 3: now it's all out war. Can you see ramifications for
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Speaker 3: content creators and perhaps something like this we'll see some
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Speaker 3: of those big players change their ways.
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Speaker 6: Well, I hope so. I mean this is a warning
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Speaker 6: shot against the cartel of corporations that want to sensor debate.
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Speaker 6: This is just another way they go about it. We
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Speaker 6: know that the corporations we're just talking about big tech,
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Speaker 6: they don't want to debate things. They want to censor
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Speaker 6: and stop debate from taking place. And one of the
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Speaker 6: ways they're going to do that is by pulling revenue
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Speaker 6: from Twitter. Now, look, you can argue that, well, they're
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Speaker 6: private companies and it's their choice as to where they
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Speaker 6: put their money, and that's true to an extent. But
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Speaker 6: when they're cartelling as a block to achieve a political
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Speaker 6: outcome rather than a commercial outcome. I think, at worst
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Speaker 6: it's a debatable proposition. At best, I think that Elon's
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Speaker 6: probably got a pretty strong case.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, these don't seem to be commercial decisions, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3: Now police are investigating reports of an assault and incidents
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Speaker 3: of criminal damage to a pub in Birmingham. This is
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Speaker 3: in the UK after a group of balaklava clad men
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Speaker 3: holding Palestinian flags seen on video beating up pub goers
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Speaker 3: at the Clumsy Swan Pub. Meanwhile, the media has also
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Speaker 3: been targeted. Tires have allegedly been slashed and news crews
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Speaker 3: have been intimidated. Despite the press in the UK blaming
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Speaker 3: the violence on just one side, here is Sky News
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Speaker 3: UK having to cut a cross short after the journalist
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Speaker 3: was surrounded by angry protesters becausehonephone.
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Speaker 7: I think, apologies for the language you're hearing, but.
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Speaker 1: I think you can Katie. I think, Becky, I apologize,
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Speaker 1: we need to leave you there, and Becky, we'll have
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Speaker 1: security there and we will leave it. And I apologize
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Speaker 1: once again for the language there.
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Speaker 3: Should be, apologizing for the selective two tier reporting we've
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Speaker 3: been saying. I'll be talking to Douglas Murray about that
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Speaker 3: in just a couple of minutes. But Dan, there are
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Speaker 3: lessons to be learned from this unrest. If we don't
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Speaker 3: want in this country to go down the path the
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Speaker 3: UK have and make the mistakes they've obviously.
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Speaker 6: Made, well we will be unless there's dramatic corrective action.
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Speaker 6: I mean, the UK is Australia's future unless we get
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Speaker 6: in control of our migration program and until we have
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Speaker 6: leadership that is actually trying to achieve social cohesion rather
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Speaker 6: than dividing us. This is the government that put up
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Speaker 6: the voice to Parliament to divide us by race, and
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Speaker 6: I think that's ignited the flame of division in Australia.
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Speaker 6: So we need to have proper leadership to unite us
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Speaker 6: rather than the division that we're seeing.
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Speaker 3: Dan will thank you so much for your time this evening.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is best selling author Douglas Murray. Douglas,
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Speaker 3: let's start with the UK riots Kissed Darma. The police,
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Speaker 3: the media have all been clear who they blame for
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Speaker 3: the unrest. The far right, they say, fueled by disinformation online.
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Speaker 3: There's even suggestions of banning platforms like x and cracking
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Speaker 3: down further on free speech is that the answer to
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Speaker 3: what we are seeing, which are really clearly deep underlying
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Speaker 3: issues and communities across the country, from well places like Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Rotherham, Middlesbrough,
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Speaker 3: London and even as far as Belfast in Northern Ireland.
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Speaker 5: Well, yes, this all started after a young man seventeen
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Speaker 5: year old, stabbed death three girls at a Taylor swift
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Speaker 5: Fing dance party in the town of Southport and the
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Speaker 5: sense clearly and immediate aftermath of that, this is an observation,
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Speaker 5: was that the authorities were with holding the identity of
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Speaker 5: the suspect. Now there are some reasons why they might
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Speaker 5: do that, but obviously tensions locally were extremely high, feelings
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Speaker 5: were extremely high, and the way to try to control
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Speaker 5: the information obviously completely backfired as you would expect it to,
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Speaker 5: and that's led to these riots across city after city
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Speaker 5: in the UK. It's extremely disturbing, these riots of themselves
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Speaker 5: provoked counter riots where identifiably Muslim young men, some armed,
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Speaker 5: have been also shown on camera attacking people in the
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Speaker 5: streets and this is really just.
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Speaker 8: A completely appalling and I'm sorry to say, this completely
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Speaker 8: predictable situation. Indeed, I can say it's predictable because I
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Speaker 8: said exactly this sort of thing would start happening seven
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Speaker 8: years ago or so in my book The Strange Death
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Speaker 8: of Europe. It's horrible to be proved right in side
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Speaker 8: circumstances because you don't want to be proved right about
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Speaker 8: something like this.
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Speaker 5: Want people to listen and change their policies. But you know,
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Speaker 5: the last few days have shown the Labor government refusing
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Speaker 5: to concede that there is anything other than what they
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Speaker 5: call far right violence going on. They claim that there
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Speaker 5: isn't a two tier policing system in the UK, which
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Speaker 5: everybody with their own eyes can see is not the case. Clearly,
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Speaker 5: there is a two tier policing system in the UK.
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Speaker 5: These areas where this has happened in. What's more, all
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Speaker 5: areas where there were riots in twenty and eleven, And
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Speaker 5: as I write in the Spectator this week, one of
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Speaker 5: the interesting things about that is that all of these
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Speaker 5: areas are, among other things, areas where migration has continued
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Speaker 5: to increase and joblessness has gone up. Now, just think
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Speaker 5: of those two factors anyone watching. You keep forcing immrogration
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Speaker 5: onto these areas and you do nothing to improve the
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Speaker 5: lot in these areas. Of course, nobody should be on
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Speaker 5: the streets. The unbelievable hooliganism and thuggery of recent days
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Speaker 5: should repel everybody. But you know, very often when there
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Speaker 5: is some kind of violence or unrest, we hear political
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Speaker 5: leaders and the ways heads in the commentariat saying we
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Speaker 5: need to address underlying causes. Why has nobody said that
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Speaker 5: in recent days?
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Speaker 3: And you're so right, Remember the media coverage in twenty
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Speaker 3: and eleven very different to what we're seeing now, and
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Speaker 3: also throughout the BLM unrest that we saw not too
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Speaker 3: long ago. Again, there was a great deal of sympathy
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Speaker 3: for those who were behaving violently and certainly weren't peacefully protesting.
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Speaker 3: Now there are various segments of the left in the
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Speaker 3: UK blaming x formerly Twitter for inciting violence. But Douglas,
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Speaker 3: it's one of the few places where you can see
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Speaker 3: what is happening on the ground that that media spin.
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Speaker 5: That's right, Reta. I mean, I've just seen a report
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Speaker 5: from another so called mainstream channel in the UK where
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Speaker 5: the quite clearly the journalists are trying not to reveal
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Speaker 5: part of the story. What they're trying to not reveal
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Speaker 5: is what they call Asian men in the area, intimidating
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Speaker 5: and harassing journalists. Well, these aren't you know. Once again
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Speaker 5: you get back to the endless euphemism and lying that
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Speaker 5: is just prevalent across our media. These are not you know,
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Speaker 5: Hong Kong residents who have decided to go out and
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Speaker 5: threaten people. They are regrettably organized Muslim groups and you
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Speaker 5: know they're being whipped up by people presumably in their community,
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Speaker 5: but also by left wing and other activists, obviously by
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Speaker 5: the people on the street as well to come out
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Speaker 5: in force. Now, the idea that the answer to that
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Speaker 5: is the crack down on Twitter x is apps case
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Speaker 5: study of the failure of the political class in the UK.
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Speaker 5: I remember in twenty seventeen when three Muslim men went
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Speaker 5: across London Bridge slitting people's throats and shouting this is
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Speaker 5: for Allah, and the Mayor of London and the then
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister Theresa May came out and said that this
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Speaker 5: is we need to address online radicalization, you know, and
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Speaker 5: then Teresa May set up an somebody to look into
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Speaker 5: the definition of extremism. You know, what have they actually
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Speaker 5: done in all of these years, Absolutely nothing, And it'll
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Speaker 5: be the same with this. They'll they'll lock some people up,
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Speaker 5: and they will demonize all sorts of people, and they'll
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Speaker 5: cover for others, but they will do nothing to address this.
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Speaker 5: The British public have been begging for years for consecutive
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Speaker 5: governments to bring down immigration and to increase opportunities in
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Speaker 5: the UK. Not only were they not listened too, they
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Speaker 5: were reviled, insulted and much more. And you know it
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Speaker 5: also needs to be said, each of the towns in
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Speaker 5: which these awful riots have been occurring are all places
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Speaker 5: that are resonant with huge crimes that were covered up
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Speaker 5: by almost everybody in authority. I'm thinking of the well again,
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Speaker 5: what are called the grooming gangs, But are the rape
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Speaker 5: gangs which struck in Rotherham, in Rochdale, in town after
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Speaker 5: town whose names are back in the news now And
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Speaker 5: obviously there's no excuse to the rioting. Why does nobody
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Speaker 5: in government and a labor government at that not listen
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Speaker 5: to these people at least find out what has gone
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Speaker 5: so badly wrong in these areas that reports of who
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Speaker 5: carried out this atrocity in Southport at the dance class
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Speaker 5: for children, that that could ignite a country. It doesn't
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Speaker 5: suggest to me that the country is in a healthy step.
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Speaker 3: No, and I think trust in institutions, including the police
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Speaker 3: and media are going to plummet further after this episode. Now,
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Speaker 3: let's talk about the Olympic boxing scandal involving two males
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Speaker 3: with x Y chromosomes who are being allowed to punch
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Speaker 3: on with real women at the Paris Games hasn't escaped
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Speaker 3: Durr attention. This week, he wrote in The New York
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Speaker 3: Post about the IOC's failures and how young women who
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Speaker 3: have worked tirelessly to reach the pinnacle of their sport
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Speaker 3: are having their dreams dashed and douglas. Whether it's by
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Speaker 3: men who transition like Leah Thomas, or in the case
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Speaker 3: of these two boxes, males with x Y chromosomes who,
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Speaker 3: due to having disorders in sex development were raised as girls,
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Speaker 3: were observed to be girls when they were born. It
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Speaker 3: looks like in these two cases, in in any of
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Speaker 3: the circumstance, it's just grossly unfair for real women. There
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Speaker 3: are differences between men and women. That's why we have
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Speaker 3: two separate categories. And if someone has an x Y chromosome,
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Speaker 3: they should not, in my mind, be allowed anywhere. You're
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Speaker 3: a woman's competition.
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Speaker 5: No and it's just extraordinary that we've got here. I mean,
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Speaker 5: it's more than I think. It's eleven years now since
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Speaker 5: Joe Rogan identified this problem in mma fighting, where a
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Speaker 5: man who transitioned into being a woman and who worked
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Speaker 5: was in the US Navy and then, by the way,
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Speaker 5: worked as a trucker to save up money for the
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Speaker 5: sex change operation, went into female mma fighting and was
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Speaker 5: just you know, punching the hell out of the women
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Speaker 5: that he was competing against. And that's eleven years ago
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Speaker 5: since that scandal blew up. And as you know, all
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Speaker 5: this is so connected, isn't it. Reader, Either there's the
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Speaker 5: reality and you accept it, or you're made to just
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Speaker 5: go along with something that is just unsustainable. It is
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Speaker 5: not sustainable for men to be put in a ring
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Speaker 5: with women in boxing competitions and not be expected to
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Speaker 5: beat the hell out of the woman in question. And
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Speaker 5: then obviously any same person would say, aren't we against
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Speaker 5: men beating up women for sport or anything else? And
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Speaker 5: the answer is yes, except apparently at the Olympic Games.
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Speaker 5: And this is just the sort of thing that deranges
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Speaker 5: a society. About the only laugh I've got this week
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Speaker 5: was when you know, noticed that the I think it
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Speaker 5: was in the pole vaulting that there was a gentleman
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Speaker 5: who's who's who's How can I say this politely whose
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Speaker 5: member was somewhat large and not tucked in and cause
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Speaker 5: a certain problem for him and much amusement for others.
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Speaker 5: But I was pleased to see yesterday a cartoon of
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Speaker 5: somebody reporting this and the man's wife says, is that
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Speaker 5: the men's pole vaulting or the women's pole vaulting only
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Speaker 5: only in the Olympics in twenty twenty four. Would you
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Speaker 5: have to ask that question? The whole thing is absurd,
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Speaker 5: and I do hope the IOC looks at this again.
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Speaker 5: It's totally unfair anyone. And I know again we're not
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Speaker 5: meant to mention anything that's in front of our eyes.
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Speaker 5: But anyone who knows anything about male and female development
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Speaker 5: knows that even if you go onto some kind of
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Speaker 5: hormone drug at some stage, if you've gone through development
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Speaker 5: as a teenager, as a man, if you're going to
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Speaker 5: have larger hands, larger shoulder shoulders, you're going to have
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Speaker 5: a different bone density, you're going to have much more strength,
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Speaker 5: all sorts of things. And it's just the fact, so
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Speaker 5: I suppose decent people have to decide, do we actually
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Speaker 5: want to encourage a delusion to rule over everything or
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Speaker 5: can we just get some sanity back?
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Speaker 3: Well, the ISA a limp level, any elite level. There
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Speaker 3: is just so much testing for illegal drugs. I don't
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Speaker 3: know why they just don't reinstate the gender testing, the
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Speaker 3: sex testing that they used to have before they decided
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Speaker 3: they're disgraceful, they're not politically correct. And then there is
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Speaker 3: no doubt whether someone has a disorder of sex development,
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Speaker 3: is inter sex, is a transitioned whatever the case may be.
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Speaker 3: If they've got x y chromosomes, they will be eliminated
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Speaker 3: from the women's competition. And we all know where we stand.
22:31
Speaker 3: But the misinformation and the gas lighting we've seen this
22:35
Speaker 3: week has been quite astonishing. Now, I've got to ask
22:39
Speaker 3: you before you go about Kamala Harris and her choice
22:43
Speaker 3: of running mate. Just picked the far left governor of Minnesota.
22:48
Speaker 3: This is a man who made headlines for our signing
22:53
Speaker 3: legislation to put tampons in boys restrooms in schools. He
22:57
Speaker 3: backed the BLM rights even as they destray Minneapolis, and
23:01
Speaker 3: who said he provide giant ladders. Douglas so illegal immigrants
23:06
Speaker 3: could climb any wall Donald Trump built. This choice is astonishing.
23:14
Speaker 3: What do you make of Tim Waltz as a future.
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Speaker 5: Veep Well, you know it's interesting when this happens, is
23:21
Speaker 5: that the whole world's media attention turns onto Tim Watz.
23:26
Speaker 5: And you've already listed some of the really I mean,
23:29
Speaker 5: I think, just indefensible things that he's done in his career.
23:32
Speaker 5: Of course, he will now pretend to be somebody else,
23:35
Speaker 5: just as Carmela tries to pretend to be somebody else.
23:38
Speaker 5: But you know, remember the intense scrutiny of JD. Vance
23:42
Speaker 5: once Trump nominated him as his VEEP choice. It was very,
23:47
Speaker 5: very interesting because of course everybody goes over every single
23:51
Speaker 5: little thing that Vance has ever said, and they find
23:54
Speaker 5: something that offends some people and then they blow it up.
23:57
Speaker 5: We should expect the same thing to be had hapening
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Speaker 5: with Tim Waltz in the coming days, and we'll see
24:04
Speaker 5: if it does, but it ought to and you know
24:07
Speaker 5: all of this stuff that you've just listed, the bananas,
24:10
Speaker 5: stuff about tampons and boys' bathrooms, and the BLM riots
24:16
Speaker 5: stuff and else. You know, if he tries to run
24:19
Speaker 5: as a law and order candidate, I would expect him
24:21
Speaker 5: to get a certain amount of pushback, but some of
24:24
Speaker 5: the media being what it is, maybe we won't. Maybe
24:27
Speaker 5: he'll be able to reinvent himself, just as Kamla has
24:30
Speaker 5: been able to reinvent herself as a sparklingly innovative, brilliant, successful,
24:37
Speaker 5: dynamic and inspiring political leader who will lead the free
24:41
Speaker 5: world in the twenty first century.
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Speaker 3: Oh look, I'm sure the media protection racket will be
24:47
Speaker 3: in full swing. But just the fact that she did
24:51
Speaker 3: not pick the most obvious candidate, which may have secured
24:56
Speaker 3: her Pennsylvania, and it seems to be Douglas purely because
25:00
Speaker 3: of fears that picking a Jewish man who has been
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Speaker 3: pro Israel was going to cause all sorts of divisions
25:08
Speaker 3: within the Democrats, perhaps even see unrest at the Democrat
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Speaker 3: National Convention. I mean, the Democrats appear to have a
25:16
Speaker 3: anti Semitism problem that runs a lot deeper than just
25:19
Speaker 3: the squad.
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting. Josh Shapiro was the name
25:24
Speaker 5: on everyone's lips. He's a very impressive politician, quite an
25:28
Speaker 5: impressive politician, I should say. He did have to do
25:33
Speaker 5: the full gravel when it turned out that at the
25:35
Speaker 5: age of twenty, he had said that the Palestinians may
25:38
Speaker 5: not want peace all that much. He rode that back
25:42
Speaker 5: and apologized for being correct at the age of twenty
25:44
Speaker 5: and made sure that he was now incorrect, and it
25:48
Speaker 5: still didn't get him the nomination. Yes, I mean, we'll see.
25:53
Speaker 5: I mean, is Tim Waltz able to bolster Kamala Harris's
25:58
Speaker 5: credentials on foreign policy questions? You know we're going to see,
26:03
Speaker 5: aren't we. But if there's any weakness there, I would
26:07
Speaker 5: very hope, much hope that it would be exposed, as
26:09
Speaker 5: it would on either side. You know, this is this
26:12
Speaker 5: is ninety days left of this and as you know
26:15
Speaker 5: and everyone watching those, these are long weeks at the
26:19
Speaker 5: moment in which anything can happen. And three months is
26:22
Speaker 5: a heck of a long time in Kamala world. And
26:25
Speaker 5: we don't need her to explain to us quite how
26:28
Speaker 5: long time can be.
26:31
Speaker 3: Please not, Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your
26:34
Speaker 3: time this evening. Thank you still to come a lefties
26:39
Speaker 3: losing it And Armie Horrowitz joins me from the US,
26:42
Speaker 3: and he's got the down low on Kamala Harris's and
26:46
Speaker 3: the people welcome back now. It's time for lefties losing it.
26:59
Speaker 3: We're about to delve into the twisted world of Kamala's
27:02
Speaker 3: veep pick. But first, remember when Ricky Gervaise told the
27:06
Speaker 3: Hollywood elite to not preach about politics, no one cares
27:10
Speaker 3: about their warped views. But sadly they didn't listen. Here
27:15
Speaker 3: is Hollywood a list Kamala fanboy and lefty losing it
27:19
Speaker 3: Ben Stiller, And.
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Speaker 4: She's also an historic candidate. You know, it's going to
27:23
Speaker 4: be the first woman president, and that's incredibly exciting. And
27:28
Speaker 4: you know, she's Indian, she's black, she's everything you could be,
27:32
Speaker 4: more than one thing. It's incredible. You know, I'm Jewish
27:35
Speaker 4: and Irish. I wish i was black. Every white Jewish
27:40
Speaker 4: guy wishes he was black.
27:42
Speaker 3: A Jewish comic blindly following a party with an anti
27:46
Speaker 3: Semitic problem that runs so deep that Kamala didn't pick
27:49
Speaker 3: the well pretty much universally acknowledged best candidate, Josh Shapiro,
27:54
Speaker 3: who could have helped her secure the crucial state of Pennsylvania,
27:57
Speaker 3: where he is governor with a sixty sixty percent approval rating.
28:02
Speaker 3: But he's Jewish, and that is a problem for the Democrats.
28:06
Speaker 3: One that even CNN acknowledged.
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania, that's Governor Josh Shapiro has been discussed as one
28:11
Speaker 2: of Harris's potential running mates. He also endorsed her tonight.
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Speaker 4: In your view, one of the pros and cons for
28:15
Speaker 4: putting him on the ticket.
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Speaker 5: Well, he's certainly under consideration. I know that from Key
28:21
Speaker 5: Harris allies.
28:22
Speaker 2: He's a first term governor, he's Jewish. There could be
28:24
Speaker 2: some risks in putting him on the ticket.
28:26
Speaker 3: And right he was. It's clear that the squad, the
28:29
Speaker 3: mass wing of the party is calling the shots. And
28:33
Speaker 3: did you notice Walls was not even on that list
28:37
Speaker 3: that they had up there. He wasn't one of the
28:39
Speaker 3: likely candidates. Even CNN thought he was too much of
28:42
Speaker 3: a socialist simpleton to be considered. Talking about simpletons, let's
28:46
Speaker 3: get back to Ben Stiller embarrassing himself.
28:50
Speaker 4: I just want to let you know I'm going to
28:51
Speaker 4: match your one hundred and fifty thousand dollars donation. Everybody's
28:54
Speaker 4: got to get out and vote and donate. Get out
28:57
Speaker 4: there and vote and donate and like take advance. This
29:00
Speaker 4: is such an important time right now, and this wave
29:03
Speaker 4: of energy that's happening, We've got to keep going with it,
29:06
Speaker 4: so please do everything you can.
29:08
Speaker 3: Yes, ben Stella has gone full Kamala. Never go full Kamala.
29:13
Speaker 3: Why didn't you just listen to Ricky Gervais. His advice was, sage.
29:18
Speaker 5: Don't use it as a platform to make a political speech.
29:21
Speaker 6: Right.
29:21
Speaker 5: You're in no position to lecture the public about anything.
29:24
Speaker 5: You know nothing about the real world. Most of you
29:27
Speaker 5: spent less time in school than Greta Thumberg, he told them.
29:30
Speaker 3: Now to Kamala Harris. The media spin is in full
29:34
Speaker 3: swing from the Democrats propaganda arm, but we keep on
29:38
Speaker 3: earthing the real Karmala.
29:40
Speaker 4: And as a woman, there is a balance to be
29:45
Speaker 4: struck between being tough.
29:48
Speaker 8: And turn that off.
30:02
Speaker 3: She's so likable, isn't she talking about likable. Let's take
30:05
Speaker 3: a look at Kamala's running mate, the man she has
30:08
Speaker 3: chosen to be the next vice president, and her campaign
30:12
Speaker 3: released this totally real and authentic video of that historic moment.
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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Jim, it's Kamala here.
30:21
Speaker 3: It's good morning.
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Speaker 5: Governor, good morning, madam Vice President.
30:25
Speaker 2: Listen.
30:26
Speaker 3: I want you to do this with me.
30:28
Speaker 5: Let's do this together.
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Speaker 2: Would you be my running mate and let's get this
30:32
Speaker 2: thing on the road.
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Speaker 9: I would be honored. Madam Vice President.
30:36
Speaker 3: You understand our country. You have dedicated yourself to our country.
30:41
Speaker 3: He understands the country. The socialist governor of Minnesota, the
30:45
Speaker 3: man who put tampons in boys' restrooms in schools, who
30:49
Speaker 3: wants to allow teens and tweens to access medical transitioning
30:54
Speaker 3: of their gender, who back the BLM rights even as
30:58
Speaker 3: they destroyed Minneapolis and bed and who changed Minnesota's flag
31:03
Speaker 3: to look a lot like the Somali flag. But they
31:06
Speaker 3: swear that's just a coincidence. Minnesota is home to the
31:09
Speaker 3: largest Somali population in the US, and other coincidence, obviously.
31:14
Speaker 3: And this is also the man who has pledged to
31:16
Speaker 3: provide massive ladders so illegal immigrants can climb any wall
31:22
Speaker 3: that Trump may build.
31:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks about this wall.
31:25
Speaker 9: I always say, let me know how high it is,
31:26
Speaker 9: But it's twenty five feet, then I'll invest in the thirty
31:28
Speaker 9: foot ladder factory.
31:29
Speaker 2: That's not how you stop this.
31:31
Speaker 3: And he's the mayor who compares the dangerous failed doctrine
31:35
Speaker 3: of socialism to being neighborly. But we can get out there,
31:39
Speaker 3: reach out, make the case, and for one thing, don't
31:43
Speaker 3: ever shay away from our progressive values. One person's socialism
31:46
Speaker 3: is another person's neighborliness. Here is celebrating giving illegal immigrants
31:51
Speaker 3: driver's licenses.
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Speaker 9: It's done, a packed room at the Saint Paul Armory,
31:57
Speaker 9: erupted after the governor's signature, Meet the driver's license for
32:01
Speaker 9: all a lot of the land.
32:03
Speaker 3: And behind every male lefty losing it is an even
32:06
Speaker 3: loopier woman losing it. And here is missus Gwen Waltz
32:10
Speaker 3: saying that criminals should be given as many chances as
32:13
Speaker 3: they need, having a chance every day. Thanks, how many
32:19
Speaker 3: chances do you get?
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Speaker 7: My answer to that is as many chances as you need,
32:29
Speaker 7: which doesn't really please those law and order people.
32:32
Speaker 3: Yes, those awful law and order people who want to
32:35
Speaker 3: put criminals in jail while your husband back those who
32:39
Speaker 3: want to defund the police. Now cannot wait to get
32:43
Speaker 3: my next guests in sights into the Harris Walls team.
32:47
Speaker 3: I can tell you I've been praying she'd pick Walls.
32:51
Speaker 3: I didn't think she'd be that foolish, But here we are.
32:54
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris has picked the radically left Minnesota governor who
32:58
Speaker 3: encouraged and supported the the BLM rights even as Minneapolis
33:02
Speaker 3: was turned into a healthscape. Just look at the damage
33:06
Speaker 3: and wild Walls encourage the protest as Kamala was raising
33:10
Speaker 3: bail money for the Lawless Advance. What a team the
33:15
Speaker 3: Democrats have put together. Joining me now is journalist and
33:19
Speaker 3: documentary filmmaker Army Horowitz. Army, what is your verdict of
33:24
Speaker 3: Harris's running mate? The smart money was on the Pennsylvania governor.
33:29
Speaker 3: But sadly, the modern Democrats have a growing anti Semitism problem,
33:34
Speaker 3: and that looks to be the main reason he was overlooked.
33:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can imagine I may have a thought
33:42
Speaker 2: or two on this particular topic. Look, I like Joshapiro.
33:46
Speaker 2: I think Joshpiro was a very talented politician. Look, it
33:50
Speaker 2: helped he won because the Republicans put on a full
33:52
Speaker 2: on crazy person against them. But look, he actually is
33:57
Speaker 2: very talented at what he does and actually bounces out
33:59
Speaker 2: Kamala complete and total political and competence. I think that
34:04
Speaker 2: would have been obviously an amazing pick, but it was
34:08
Speaker 2: more shocking that they didn't pick him, and then she
34:11
Speaker 2: picked Tim Walls. Look, the whole game is Pennsylvania, right,
34:16
Speaker 2: That's the game. That's the whole game. Nate Silver said
34:18
Speaker 2: that if you win Pennsylvania, there's an over ninety percent
34:22
Speaker 2: chance you'll win the election. They had a chance to
34:25
Speaker 2: choose the governor of Pennsylvania, who by the way, has
34:28
Speaker 2: a sixty one percent approval rating inside the state. They
34:32
Speaker 2: didn't do it. Why didn't they do it?
34:35
Speaker 5: Hmm?
34:36
Speaker 2: Could it be he's a Jew? I don't know. I
34:39
Speaker 2: think that the anti Semitism of the Democratic Party has
34:43
Speaker 2: now manifested itself into a place that's going to cost
34:46
Speaker 2: them the election. This is not me saying it. This
34:49
Speaker 2: is Jared Moscow, it's saying Democratic congress person. This is
34:52
Speaker 2: de w Wassman Schultz saying it. This is the ever
34:55
Speaker 2: handsome Jake Austen Klass saying it. These are Democratic Congress
34:58
Speaker 2: people who are sat saying he wasn't picked because he
35:02
Speaker 2: was a Jew. And guess what, reader, it's going to
35:05
Speaker 2: cost them the election.
35:09
Speaker 3: Well, I can understand why Kamala would have wanted to
35:12
Speaker 3: avoid a civil war within the party. They've got the
35:16
Speaker 3: Democrats National convention coming up, and you would see protests there,
35:20
Speaker 3: no doubt if Shapiro was her running mate. And it
35:23
Speaker 3: seems that the cowardice has taken over the party. They
35:27
Speaker 3: are allowing these radical elements to call the shots. Even
35:31
Speaker 3: after the humiliation that Josh Shapiro put himself through over
35:35
Speaker 3: the last week or so Army, where he seemed to
35:38
Speaker 3: be groveling to the anti Israeli forces within the party,
35:42
Speaker 3: it wasn't enough. Is this going to be a red
35:45
Speaker 3: pill moment for the Jewish community in the States, the
35:50
Speaker 3: majority of whom have traditionally backed the Democrats. But as
35:55
Speaker 3: you said, it's hard to deny that this decision was
36:00
Speaker 3: invited by anything other than the fact that Shapiro is Jewish,
36:04
Speaker 3: is proud to be Jewish, He's been pro Israel, He's
36:07
Speaker 3: served in the IDF, and all of that seems to
36:11
Speaker 3: be unacceptable to elements of the modern Democrats.
36:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I would love to say that this is,
36:18
Speaker 2: in the way you put it, a red pillar mode
36:20
Speaker 2: for Jews in this country. Unfortunately, I can guarantee you
36:24
Speaker 2: it will not be the case. Look, I think Trump
36:26
Speaker 2: will actually garner a larger percentage of thee than of
36:29
Speaker 2: the Jewish vote than any Republican since Reagan, maybe even
36:32
Speaker 2: beat Reagan, as he has done, by the way, with
36:34
Speaker 2: other historical Democratic constituencies like the black community, and the
36:39
Speaker 2: Hispanic community, because the issues that Jews care about are
36:43
Speaker 2: guess what, the same issues an American cares about. Jews
36:46
Speaker 2: care about inflation, immigration, they care about the economy, but
36:50
Speaker 2: also they care about Israel, which has never really been
36:52
Speaker 2: a believe or not. Israel has not been a top
36:55
Speaker 2: ten Jewish issue for many, many years, not top ten.
36:58
Speaker 2: But October seventh, that a little bit. So I think
37:02
Speaker 2: he will make progress in the Jewish vote, but not
37:05
Speaker 2: a massively significant vote, not like what Trump had done
37:09
Speaker 2: with the Hispanic community.
37:12
Speaker 3: Now the hard left of the party are rejoicing. Elin
37:16
Speaker 3: Omer was among the first to endorse Woll's selections. She's
37:23
Speaker 3: posted this She was very very happy with that selection, indeed,
37:27
Speaker 3: and the first squad member to lose a primary. Jamal Bowman,
37:31
Speaker 3: well he's back smiling again and celebrating Waltz's selection.
37:37
Speaker 2: It's Wolf's baby. Let's go to walts in the building.
37:41
Speaker 7: Time to win in November, y'ard, Let's go hands on deck,
37:45
Speaker 7: no staying at home, Let's.
37:47
Speaker 3: Go na Ami. You said this decision could cost Harris
37:53
Speaker 3: the election. Others say that the VP pick is almost irrelevant.
38:00
Speaker 3: Do you think this one would have been a deciding factor.
38:03
Speaker 3: Obviously Pennsylvania is crucial, but could it cost her some
38:09
Speaker 3: of those states where there are large Muslim populations that
38:14
Speaker 3: are not very happy with someone who is pro Israel.
38:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, I got to hire Jamal Bowman
38:21
Speaker 2: in my heype man. That guy knows how to bring
38:24
Speaker 2: it when it comes to I'm a big, big fan
38:27
Speaker 2: of at least not a big fan of his politics
38:29
Speaker 2: and him as a congressman, but a big fan of
38:32
Speaker 2: having express himselves with support somebody. Yeah, like I said before,
38:36
Speaker 2: I think no, usually the VP pick will not win
38:39
Speaker 2: you an election, but the vpick have cost you an election.
38:43
Speaker 2: And I think this might be one of the weird
38:46
Speaker 2: things where it's not who we picked, but again it
38:48
Speaker 2: was who he didn't pick. But look, they're going to
38:50
Speaker 2: have a problem with Tim Walt and the exposure of
38:53
Speaker 2: his politics. This was a massive unforced error. It really
38:58
Speaker 2: did tip the hand of Kamala's because look, everyone thought,
39:02
Speaker 2: like you and I did when we went to sleep,
39:03
Speaker 2: that she was going to pick somebody moderate to balance
39:06
Speaker 2: out the Republican attacks on her being a radical, but
39:09
Speaker 2: she doubled down on that radicalism. I think that was
39:11
Speaker 2: a massive mistake. Look, when Bertie Sanders supports you and
39:18
Speaker 2: Jamal Bowman and Alan Jomar, I think he may have
39:21
Speaker 2: a problem, right, I think that might be a bad
39:24
Speaker 2: sign as to where things are headed electorally. Look, Tim
39:27
Speaker 2: Waltz is a problem. I can go through it. I
39:30
Speaker 2: don't want to spend too much time going through the
39:32
Speaker 2: issues he's got, but I'll go through a few of
39:34
Speaker 2: them and make a couple of notes. I mean, this
39:36
Speaker 2: is a guy who signed one hundred and four executive
39:39
Speaker 2: orders during COVID that when the riots, when they were
39:43
Speaker 2: burning down his city, he said, this represents decades of
39:48
Speaker 2: pain and anguishes, essentially saying excusing the riots when immigration
39:53
Speaker 2: is the single largest issue or the second largest issue
39:57
Speaker 2: in our country today, he wanted to issue drivers life
40:00
Speaker 2: into illegal immigrants. This is a problem. But I'll tell
40:02
Speaker 2: you one personal story about me and in Minnesota. And
40:05
Speaker 2: by the way, they not to mention the fact they
40:08
Speaker 2: picked a guy who's the governor of a state that
40:11
Speaker 2: the Republicans have one in fifty years, right, this is
40:13
Speaker 2: not a purple state. But when I was at around
40:17
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis during the riots, let me tell you what
40:19
Speaker 2: I saw. I saw a city burning down, and the
40:22
Speaker 2: police doing nothing standing around watching the city burn. But Rita,
40:29
Speaker 2: when I was walking around during the daytime when the
40:32
Speaker 2: riots were because the riots were having at night, and
40:34
Speaker 2: I wasn't wearing a mask. I didn't wear a mask outsides.
40:36
Speaker 2: I'm not a stupid person, you know what. The police
40:39
Speaker 2: came right up to me and said, hey, man, you
40:42
Speaker 2: gotta put your mask on. That represents Tim Waltz right there,
40:45
Speaker 2: a nutshell.
40:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a COVID era policies are now the now
40:53
Speaker 3: why they're can to attack him. But my gosh, there
40:55
Speaker 3: are so many areas, the trans policies. He mentioned illegal immigration,
41:00
Speaker 3: He's all over the shop. But he's been one of
41:02
Speaker 3: these Democrats who's been pushing the JD vance is weird line.
41:09
Speaker 3: He made a reference to it in his first speech
41:12
Speaker 3: as the rival vice presidential candidate. You know it, you
41:16
Speaker 3: feel it.
41:17
Speaker 9: These guys are creepy and yes, just weird as hell.
41:19
Speaker 5: That's what you see, That's what you see.
41:23
Speaker 3: How effective is that line?
41:25
Speaker 4: Are me?
41:25
Speaker 3: Because, as we've discussed, as a man who put tampons
41:28
Speaker 3: in boys' bathrooms in schools across this date and supports
41:33
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of radical fringe dwelling policies. Is he
41:36
Speaker 3: any position to be calling anyone else weird?
41:41
Speaker 2: No, it's not very effective. Look, I'm not the biggest
41:45
Speaker 2: fan of Jenny Vance as a vice presidential pick. I
41:47
Speaker 2: think he was okay, I'm not a huge fan of
41:50
Speaker 2: a number of his populous economic policies, his pseudo istelationism.
41:56
Speaker 2: But let's see, he's weird. Okay. He was a marine,
42:01
Speaker 2: he was a successful entrepreneur. He came from a completely underprivileged,
42:05
Speaker 2: oppressed background to go to Yale. Is that weird? Yeah?
42:10
Speaker 2: I don't know if If that's weird, I think people
42:12
Speaker 2: should should emulate that. But let me tell you, Rita,
42:14
Speaker 2: what is weird? What's weird? When you want MSNBC and
42:17
Speaker 2: somebody says that you know what he really wants? What
42:20
Speaker 2: JD Vance wants? We're talking about cat ladies and neo natalism.
42:25
Speaker 2: He wants white babies. Really a man who is married
42:29
Speaker 2: to a brown woman who has three brown kids. Yeah,
42:32
Speaker 2: he's pushing for for white babies. You know what, Rida,
42:35
Speaker 2: that's weird.
42:38
Speaker 3: That is weird. And jd Vance himself has responded to
42:42
Speaker 3: the lift's collective attempts to smear him as weird and
42:47
Speaker 3: he's pointed the finger right back at them.
42:51
Speaker 2: It's funny.
42:51
Speaker 9: It's like the people who call me weird want to
42:53
Speaker 9: give like hormone therapies and sterilized nine year olds. Like
42:56
Speaker 9: I think it's a lot weirder, you know, me just
42:59
Speaker 9: like living a normal life with my kids and my wife.
43:01
Speaker 9: But this is what they do, I think, as they
43:04
Speaker 9: latch onto a message and they try to sell it
43:06
Speaker 9: even if it's fake.
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Speaker 3: He makes an excellent point there, because you look at
43:11
Speaker 3: his family life, you look at it seems to be
43:15
Speaker 3: one of the few politicians who seems to actually have
43:18
Speaker 3: a happy, healthy marriage, three beautiful children, and like you
43:22
Speaker 3: just explained, he lived the American dream, come from nothing
43:27
Speaker 3: to be successful. I think those attacks are eventually going
43:33
Speaker 3: to backfire once this Kamala honeymoon is over. Horowitz, thank
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Speaker 3: you so much for your time this evening, your pleasure
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Speaker 3: coming up. Well, look at the number of late term
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Speaker 3: abortions taking place in Australia. Doctor Joanna Howe joins me.
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Speaker 2: Nes.
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Speaker 3: You're watching the Reader Paney Show. Now, my next topic
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Speaker 3: could be distressing for some viewers. If you're a mother
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Speaker 3: who has a miscarriage, a still birth, or a baby
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Speaker 3: who dies after birth, you may be able to get
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Speaker 3: a one off stillborn baby payment. But my next guest,
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Speaker 3: doctor Joanah Howe, argues that there are some who are
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Speaker 3: abusing this payment that's meant to go to briefed parents.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Joanah how It joins me, Now, are you saying
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Speaker 3: that this payment could go to those who opt to
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Speaker 3: have a late term abortion? And are we talking about
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Speaker 3: those who have a late term abortion because of health
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Speaker 3: issues that the child may not be viable or the
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Speaker 3: mother's physical well being maybe in jeopardy if she continues
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Speaker 3: the pregnancy.
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Speaker 7: Having a stillborn baby, Reader, is one of every mother's
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Speaker 7: worst nightmares, and it's because you were intending to have
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Speaker 7: this child and you were so looking forward to seeing
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Speaker 7: them and then they, unfortunately tragically are born dead. Having
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Speaker 7: a late term abortion is a tragedy of an entirely
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Speaker 7: different kind. It's intentionally inducing a child still born. So
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Speaker 7: that is the method of late term abortion in Australian.
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Speaker 7: We need to remember that in Australia, abortion up to
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Speaker 7: birth is legal for any reason in every state and territory.
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Speaker 7: And so the method after twenty weeks is to inject
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Speaker 7: the child with digoxin which will induce death, and then
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Speaker 7: to give the mother labour inducing drugs so that the
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Speaker 7: child is born dead, so they're born still born. It's
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Speaker 7: an intentional still born and in this scenario a mother
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Speaker 7: is eligible for the four thousand, two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 7: five dollars stillborn parenting payment. And I have called this
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Speaker 7: out on social media on my Instagram at doctor Joanna Howe,
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Speaker 7: because I do think that this is not the intention
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Speaker 7: of policy.
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Speaker 2: Makers that we would be able to access.
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Speaker 7: This payment for intentionally killing a child late term. And
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Speaker 7: you ask the question, it's a very good one because
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Speaker 7: there's a lot of confusion around it. Are these babies
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Speaker 7: going to die anyway? Are they being killed in the
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Speaker 7: case of a medical emergency to save a mother's life.
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Speaker 7: And the answer is actually no. The data shows. So
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Speaker 7: we've got eleven year data from Queensland and Victoria and
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Speaker 7: we can see that nine hundred and twenty nine babies
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Speaker 7: were killed after twenty weeks. And in Victoria, where they
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Speaker 7: take the reason for the abortion, for the late term abortion,
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Speaker 7: nearly one in two are on perfectly healthy babies with
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Speaker 7: physically healthy mothers. So these are babies that could have
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Speaker 7: been induced alive they didn't need to be killed first
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Speaker 7: by an intercrdiac needle. They could have just been induced
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Speaker 7: and then given care. And in South Australia, where I'm from,
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Speaker 7: the numbers are even more staggering. It's eighty percent of
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Speaker 7: late term abortions kill healthy babies. So these are not
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Speaker 7: children that are incompatible with life. They are children that
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Speaker 7: could make a contribution to our society if they were
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Speaker 7: given the chance to be born alive.
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Speaker 3: But are you saying these were otherwise healthy baby and
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Speaker 3: the mother's health wasn't in jeopardy. So I thought, if
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Speaker 3: you're having a late term abortion beyond twenty weeks, for example,
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Speaker 3: that there had to be a medical imperative behind it.
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Speaker 3: Certainly you would expect that to be the case in
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Speaker 3: the third trimester.
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Speaker 7: You would expect that to be the case. But it's
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Speaker 7: not the case in Australia. And this is the area
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Speaker 7: where there is the most confusion around.
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Speaker 3: And I bring my.
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Speaker 7: Legal expertise as a professor of law into this and
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Speaker 7: what I show on my social media and through my research.
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Speaker 7: I have a fact sheet available on my website. What
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Speaker 7: it shows is that in Victoria in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 7: abortion was allowed up until birth for a psychosocial reason.
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Speaker 7: And so that's a very broad category that includes anything
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Speaker 7: that affects a mother's well being. So it does not
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Speaker 7: have to be a physical health emergency. It's not like
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Speaker 7: a situation where the mother has a life threatening illness
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Speaker 7: and therefore the baby has to die to save the
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Speaker 7: life of the mother. That is not the case. Victoria
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Speaker 7: was the first jurisdiction to introduce that in two thousand
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Speaker 7: and eight. Ever since then, every single other state and
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Speaker 7: territory has introduced abortion up until birth for a wide
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Speaker 7: category of reasons, largely under that psychosocial or maternal well
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Speaker 7: being category. And what this means is that healthy babies
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Speaker 7: who if born alive, if induced rather than killed and
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Speaker 7: then induced stillborn, if they were induced alive, they could
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Speaker 7: be given care and they could survive, and at that
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Speaker 7: point the mother could be given care for her mental
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Speaker 7: health condition, and that way nobody has to die. And
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Speaker 7: you know, that is the real thing that I'm fighting
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Speaker 7: for reader, to wake Australians up to the fact that
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Speaker 7: we have a situation in our country where Australia has
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Speaker 7: the most extreme abortion laws in the world like China
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Speaker 7: and North Korea, and this is not a situation that
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Speaker 7: I think most Australians would be comfortable with if they knew.
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Speaker 3: We've run out of time, Doctor Joanah. How thank you
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Speaker 3: so much for your time this evening. We will speak
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Speaker 3: to you again about these very contentious issues. That's it
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Speaker 3: from me. I'll see you tomorrow at eleven up. Next
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Speaker 3: is Newsnight.