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Egalitarianism, Khmer Rouge & the Killing Fields of Cambodia | Yaron & Nikos Dialogues · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: Lots of widow little us and individual loss.
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  Speaker 2: This is the.
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  Speaker 1: Show, all right, everybody, Welcome to Iran and Nkos show,
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  Speaker 1: our Sunday show. Thanks for joining us. As it happens,
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  Speaker 1: there's no there's no World Cup game today, so we
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  Speaker 1: could do it on schedule just right. Next week, however,
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  Speaker 1: is the finals and we might do it an hour
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  Speaker 1: early earlier. Is that enough time, Nicos?
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  Speaker 2: No, I thought we're doing it Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're doing it Saturday instead because Nicos has to
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  Speaker 1: prep the whole day for the finals.
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  Speaker 2: I have to prep mentally lower heart rate. Except well,
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  Speaker 2: it depends England, in which who cares?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I think we get the semi finals
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  Speaker 1: that we wanted, right, We got the top four teams
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  Speaker 1: in the world at least acuting the fifth of ratings
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  Speaker 1: in the semi finals. I mean it should be phenomenal games.
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  Speaker 1: Games yesterday with disappointing both England and Argentina. You know
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  Speaker 1: we're not particularly good games. Your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Last night was like a fever dream and the first
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  Speaker 2: game was midnight rather at four in the boarding, so
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  Speaker 2: I was sleeping waking up at some point. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: sure if something happened or I dreamed of it. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a better analysis in the Q and
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  Speaker 2: A if people ask specific questions, because it's all a
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  Speaker 2: blair in my head.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I was disappointed, particularly with Argentina Messi. That was
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  Speaker 1: the weakest game I've seen him play this World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: Really impressive numbers though in his worst game. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: one of the best players in the He's the best
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  Speaker 2: player of his team creatively, that's that's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, although he was I mean, the corner kick was
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  Speaker 1: the first goal, but he wasn't involved in the other
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  Speaker 1: two goals really but but but yeah, i mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: they've got other weapons and but they played against a
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  Speaker 1: ten man Swiss team that they should have ended this
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  Speaker 1: in ninety minutes. But yeah, they had a match England
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  Speaker 1: and going into overtime in order to win it, so
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  Speaker 1: that the two teams were equal. France Spain is going
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  Speaker 1: to be quite a game. I'm really impressed with Jamal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he's you know, he's really good
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  Speaker 1: and of course we know and Beppe how good he is,
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  Speaker 1: so it's that should be an exciting game. Although I'm
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  Speaker 1: mooting against both teams for geopolitical reasons. I hate the
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  Speaker 1: French and I hate the Spanish, so you know they're
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  Speaker 1: both anti Semitic countries these days, anti American, anti Israel.
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  Speaker 1: So I did that infects my and Argentina's particularly you
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  Speaker 1: know it's Melee. You got to root for Argentina only
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  Speaker 1: four for the fact that it's me Lane. But anyway, people.
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  Speaker 2: Last last comment about football, but I have to say this,
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  Speaker 2: we did it before football, before the beginning of the tournament.
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  Speaker 2: I had a vision Argentina wins the tournament. Millay gives
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  Speaker 2: the show of his life. Messi is a bit drunk.
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  Speaker 2: He starts out in living. The whole world listens and
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  Speaker 2: there is a second Renaissance Tree gets from that particular.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm definitely and a week away we are one
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  Speaker 1: week now, I'm definitely routing for Messy because that is
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  Speaker 1: a launch of the of of the Second Enlightenment and
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  Speaker 1: the complete liberation of the world. So this is this
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  Speaker 1: is this is very exciting. Uh no way, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: robbed God. I mean, people are very weird weird views,
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  Speaker 1: and that's and it's not even even who's who's committed
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  Speaker 1: committed a Norwegian fan. Oh. One last topic I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about before we get to talking about Cambodia
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  Speaker 1: and and what happened and the killing field Killing Fields,
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  Speaker 1: and that is I've talked about this on the show
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  Speaker 1: in the past. We're doing this three part documentary movie
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  Speaker 1: We're raising fifteen thousand dollars for this so to get
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  Speaker 1: So maybe say a few words of this and what
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  Speaker 2: This is just so that we want this to reach many,
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  Speaker 2: giving us a very friendly price. But still this needs
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  Speaker 2: But again, this is going to be a legacy, legacy content.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be something which is going to
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  Speaker 1: In his own words, yeah sorry, peak of in his
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  Speaker 2: Peak of his all. Imagine something like that with your
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  Speaker 1: We're doing it in September. We're doing while I'm in Europe,
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  Speaker 1: so we can minimize the travel cars and the convenience.
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  Speaker 1: And I've got other stuff in London to do, so
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  Speaker 1: we're going to go to London in mid September. So
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  Speaker 1: that puts a time on everything in the sense that
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  Speaker 1: we need to raise the money. Now you can go
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  Speaker 1: if they asked him, but with Phil to talk about
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  Speaker 2: Conspiracy fi.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Niicos is our football expert local Fieldball Export. We
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of things. So let us know how
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  Speaker 1: we can be helpful. All right, let's see, so.
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  Speaker 2: Before we started with Cambodia, as always say to people
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  Speaker 2: why it is important. It's not just history, it's not
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  Speaker 2: just tales from the crypt.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, go for it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you go for it. You are the gual you time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Egalitarianism. It is a philosophy that I think today dominates
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  Speaker 1: the left. It is the primary philosophy of the left today.
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  Speaker 1: And it's roots. They're all kinds of variations and all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of ways in which they approach it, but at
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  Speaker 1: the core, in terms of political ideology, this is e galitarianism.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just effects the far left, it is
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  Speaker 1: that the whole left is fundamentally galitarian. And you can
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  Speaker 1: you know, John Rawls, who is maybe the most important
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  Speaker 1: philosopher of the last fifty years, from not important, influential
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  Speaker 1: for the last fifty years. And Ran predicted this, she
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  Speaker 1: predicted he would be, you know, really try to take
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  Speaker 1: egalitarianism and make it acceptable to the mainstream. And I
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  Speaker 1: think to large extent, yes, I know, I know libertarian
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  Speaker 1: fans of John Wawlls, I know conservative fans of John Walls,
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  Speaker 1: and I know and of course everybody on the left.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, when you think about
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  Speaker 1: taxes and billionaires and all that, they're all John Walls.
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  Speaker 1: They're all Wallsyans to one extent. This so this ideology
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  Speaker 1: of Galatianism is everywhere. And the second thing is it
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  Speaker 1: is so evil. I mean, I think Lennapeacoff and the
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  Speaker 1: dim hypothesis basically says this is the bottom any right,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't get more evil than this, And you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we need to find a way to competize that
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  Speaker 1: for people. And I think the reality is, the sad, tragic,
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  Speaker 1: horrific reality is that the story of Cambodia, of these
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  Speaker 1: these you know, poor people in in a in a
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  Speaker 1: relatively poor place. Uh. And not that long ago, right,
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  Speaker 1: This is we're talking about, you know, fifty sixty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: The story you're gonna hear happened eight years before I
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  Speaker 2: was born and ended five years before I was born.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it it all happened while I was alive almost.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, some some of the early stuff happens maybe before,
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  Speaker 1: but basically the horrors all happened while I'm alive. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember news stories about poor part and and about
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  Speaker 1: about stuff like that. You know, particularly particularly trying you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the in the the war that followed. But this
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  Speaker 1: is probably the best concutization in history, in some respects
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  Speaker 1: better than Mao. Although we'll definitely do a show on
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  Speaker 1: Mao's on Mao and and and the Cultural Revolution and
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  Speaker 1: greatly forward. Maybe that's two shows we'll see, so we'll definitely,
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  Speaker 1: we'll definitely do a show on now. But in some
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  Speaker 1: way the Horrors it's more brutal, it's quicker, everything happens
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  Speaker 1: super fast, it's condensed, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's years, eight months, twenty days. That's how much it
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  Speaker 2: took to eradicate twenty percent maybe more of the population.
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  Speaker 2: Three years, eighty months, twenty days.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody really knows how many people died, but somewhere between
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  Speaker 1: twenty to forty percent of a Cambodian population of five
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  Speaker 1: to six million were wiped out. So we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people. And it's and it's directly a
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  Speaker 1: consequence of the ideas these people are held, and people
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  Speaker 1: who took these ideas seriously and were willing to do
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  Speaker 1: anything to make the reality their ideas become a reality. Anything,
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  Speaker 1: And it should scare the Jesus out of you. Happened
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  Speaker 1: in Cambodia, you know. But the fact that to some
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  Speaker 1: extent it happened in China, and to some extent it
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  Speaker 1: happened in Russia in the Soviet Union, and it happened
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  Speaker 1: a little bit in Venezuela, and it happens in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of other places. To this degree or another suggests
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  Speaker 1: and these ideas are not dead, because they're still alive
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  Speaker 1: and well. So I think this is crucially important. I
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  Speaker 1: talk about it quite a bit when I did talks
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  Speaker 1: on equal as Unfair, I did talks on inequality. The
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  Speaker 1: whole inequality debate is driven motivated now by reducing inequality,
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  Speaker 1: it's by an egalitarian agenda. And I think it's super
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  Speaker 1: important for everybody to know the history.
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  Speaker 2: So while you're listening everything we say today, people just
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  Speaker 2: keep someone in the back of your head that if
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  Speaker 2: the logical conclusion of an ideal is the things that
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  Speaker 2: we're going to discuss, what are we to make what
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  Speaker 2: are we to make of the idea itself?
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  Speaker 1: And what are we to make people who advocate for
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  Speaker 1: the idea right? Because because we are as subjective ast,
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  Speaker 1: we actually judge people to some extent, at least in
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  Speaker 1: particularly of a certain age based on the ideas that
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  Speaker 1: they hold.
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  Speaker 2: So before we started, it might be useful. I few
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  Speaker 2: people have even Google Maps in front of you and
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  Speaker 2: just put Cambodia so that you see approximately you understand
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  Speaker 2: the very brief context that we're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever been Nichouse, If.
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  Speaker 2: I've been, the only non European place I've ever been
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  Speaker 2: in my life is Israel and Australia in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to Cambodia. So yeah, it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: amazing ship.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So let's give a very quick context. So from
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  Speaker 2: the mid nineteenth century, Cambodia, which back then was part
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  Speaker 2: of Indo China, was a French colony. So it was
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  Speaker 2: a French colony for ninety years, with a short break
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  Speaker 2: during World War Two when it was militarily controlled by
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  Speaker 2: Imperial Japan. Now in the mid fifties, Campodia is recognized
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  Speaker 2: as an independent country. The French more and more live. Now,
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  Speaker 2: why does it matter that it's a French colony and
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  Speaker 2: that it's part of Indo China. What is happening around
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  Speaker 2: that time in that part of the world is the
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  Speaker 2: war between Vietnamese communists led by Hotzi Minh it's the
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  Speaker 2: Vietnamese National Liberation movement against the French, the colonial French movement.
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  Speaker 1: And Vietnam is part of Indo China as well, and so.
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  Speaker 2: Indo China to simply is Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, YEP. In
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  Speaker 2: the mid fifties, Vietnam is split to North Vietnam and
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  Speaker 2: South Vietnam. North Vietnam is a communist country led by
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  Speaker 2: Hotsy Min. South Vietnam is not communists, but it has
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  Speaker 2: very serious presence of communist guerillas. You might have heard
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  Speaker 2: them ask vit con viet Cong. So how does Cambodia
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  Speaker 2: have communists in that place in the world. It has
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  Speaker 2: to do with the proximity to Vietnam and also to
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  Speaker 2: the proximity with a big figure in the communist in
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  Speaker 2: the history of the communist movements, who is Hotsi Min.
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  Speaker 2: And back then there is one communist party for the
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  Speaker 2: whole of into China, Allaos, Cambodia and Vietnam. So in
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  Speaker 2: the first as all this is going on, now we're
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  Speaker 2: in ninety forty nine, there is a group of very
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  Speaker 2: privileged young boys who sail from a boat from Cambodia
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  Speaker 2: to go to.
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  Speaker 1: Paris, privilege in make sense. I don't like that word,
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  Speaker 1: so spelled it out.
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  Speaker 2: The privilege.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like privileged.
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  Speaker 2: Why are the privilege? So let's put it this way.
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  Speaker 2: By that point, there were only two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: come Bodians who had managed to go and study abroad,
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  Speaker 2: and some of these were children of the upper class.
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  Speaker 2: Now in cambody, to be upper class, you can be
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  Speaker 2: a rich landowner or someone who has you know, who
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  Speaker 2: has some animal, some workers of the land.
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  Speaker 1: For a poor country.
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  Speaker 2: If for such a poor country, we're talking about one
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  Speaker 2: percenters people of the perhacxally, not even one percent children
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  Speaker 2: of the zero point one percent of the elites. So
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  Speaker 2: this boat with some of these boys of the elite
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  Speaker 2: arrived in Paris first of October ninety forty nine, by coincidence,
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  Speaker 2: the day now announced in Beijing the establishment of People
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  Speaker 2: Republic of China. And they arrive in a parish which
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  Speaker 2: is the world capital of leftist ideas. They arrive at
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  Speaker 2: a parish at the time when the Communist Party has
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  Speaker 2: subbing like twenty five percent of the votes. Although they
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  Speaker 2: arrive in a place to be taught by the colonial
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  Speaker 2: authorities on how to be good future colonial rulers. They
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  Speaker 2: are trained in Cartiella ten in the cafes in the
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  Speaker 2: bookshops on how to be good Marxists. So they discover
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  Speaker 2: Karl Marx, they discover other Cambodians. There also children of
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  Speaker 2: the elites who have formed a reading group, and some
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  Speaker 2: of them actually become members even of the French Communist Party.
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  Speaker 2: And one of these promising young men was a guy
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  Speaker 2: called Salov Sar. Later this guy became known as Paul Pott.
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  Speaker 2: That guy was not a great student or particularly bright,
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  Speaker 2: but he gets he gets excited with this vague idea
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  Speaker 2: of the revolution. He reads a bit of Marx that's
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  Speaker 2: too complicate for him. He reads a bit Rousseau. He
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  Speaker 2: likes what he says in Rousseaul, this idea of the poor,
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  Speaker 2: non alienated people who have all this potential.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And that civilization is fundamentally alienating.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And they have been alienated by civilization. And also he
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: reads a guy called Pietro Kropotkin. Kropotkin was an anarchist
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the left wi anarchists, and in Kropotkin he finds three
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: things that he likes a lot within the analysis that
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Kropotkin does of the French Revolution. The one thing is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the idea of a Galityrani is that the essence of
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: revolutions were all equal. So he reads the story of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the Friend Revolution. Some people have a lot, some people
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: have nothing. You make the revolution, everyone has the same.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: For the mind of future Paul Pott, this sounds like justice.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: The second thing he takes is that the evolution is
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: going to be through an alliance between peasants and intellectuals,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the uncorrupted and the people who know better. That's the alliance,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and the third part he get. The third thing he
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: gets from Copokin is that a revolution must not stop.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: A revolution must keep going and going and going and going.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So this is how Paul Pot spends his future. Paul
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Pot was a nickname Salovsar. This is how he spends
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: his time in Paris. He's not a good student. His
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: scholarship expires. He returns to Cambodia. But now he doesn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: anymore want to be a child who will be the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: new aristocratic elite. Now he wants to be a revolutionary
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and he wants to contribute to the anti colonial struggle.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: How can we get the last remnants of frends colonialists
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: out of Cambodia, including the royal family, which at that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: point is ruling the country. We want them out. And
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: also to help our Vietnamese brothers who next door. That's
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: why I told you guys have the Google map. You see,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Cambodie is let's say, southwest, somewhere off south Vietnam.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So so yes, so well, he wasn't particularly smart and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: uh and and and and and didn't take any real
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: courses in I can't sure what he studied, but he
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: studied something technical.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Something technically, non intellect.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: A bunch of the others actually his were smart. Uh
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: got PhDs in Paris, and and and they study economics,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: which is interesting, yes, and uh and and and part
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of what they want what they believed with things like
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: we want self alliance. A country should be able to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: produce everything that it consumes, right, so familiar and yeah, God.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: At that time, if you if you studied with Marxists
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: about the development of a feld War country back then,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: they would call them a colonial country. The big the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: only currency in town was dependence. In theory, this idea
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: means that these countries were poor only mainly because of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the colonials of the capitalists. Once we get rid of
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the capitalist sky is the limit. So the future leaders
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: who did serious intellectual work, as Yaron said, they did
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: it within a mainstream, boring Marxian traditional market economic analysis,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: which says, if you want to develop, you need to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: get rid of the colonial powers. They are the reason
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: why these countries are poor. Now today we could have
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to our discussion about how all this was completely madness.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: We could bring it jams from a show some other point.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: We'll do a show on colonialism. And in one of
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the one of the PhD thests case some fun I think,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: some pun something like that, not you how to pronounce
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it is argued that the urban centers and just play
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: all later sensus of parasitic entities sucking well from kind
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of the pure innocent war countryside, and again a kind
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of a reversal of how we understand economics.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: The because in the urban centers you have the capitalists,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and the capitalists don't contribute anything. Therefore, anyone in an
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: urban So if you're if you're that PhD, you get
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: slightly better than side. When you will go back home
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and you tell this to your illiterate cousin, your illiterate cousin,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: what he gets is that anyone who lives in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: town is a parasite. Keep this later we will we
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: will use it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So they were in Paris, they return to Cambodia. There's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: only one city in Cambodia, Yes, Jumpan And in fifty three.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Paul Pont returns. Is the first to return because he
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: loses his scholarship when they return. The big news is
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that we are getting towards the conclusion of the First
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Into China War. In nineteen fifty four, you have the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: battle of d end Ben Food. If you want to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: understand what a strike this was for colonialists, what the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: defeated was for French colonialisms, Goat's the best deleted scene
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: in the history of cinema, the deleted scene from Apocalypse
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Now where the French colonialist with so much pain in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the rise and the voice talk about d end Ben Foo.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So the Endbnfood, the victory of Hotzimin against the French
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: is a message to the whole world. Imperialism can be defeated,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and it can be defeated by communist powers. Being the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: national liberation from communism is the future of the oppressed
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: of this world. This is the message they get from
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the triumph of Hotsi Minh against the French. The French
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: complain that Hozy Mink got some support earlier on from
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the Americans. That's from another discussion. But if you speak
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to a French, they might give you they might give
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you that option.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And think about this in the context of American history,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that this is the beginning of American involvement in Vietnam
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: as the venture leaving the Americans studying to trickle in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: will do a show when they're on Vietnam, but not today.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: But this is happening in the background. Vietnam War ultimately
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: will happened very much in the background of what was
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: going on in Will you take you that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second. So by ninety sixty,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: communists in Cambodia is going nowhere. But something else also
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: is happening in the early sixties, the guerrilla movement in
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: South Vietnam. The communists who won the South Vietnam to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: unite with North Vietnam, which is already communist. These guerrillas
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: on the South, the Viet Congs, as you've heard the people,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: they're becoming stronger and stronger, and the stronger the communist
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: guerrilla has become the more the United States intervene to
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: support South Vietnam, they support a very corrupt and useless
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: ruler whom they later again stupid American variaballs, later they
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: will topple that leader and someone even words is going
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to be there, But actually more and more Americas are
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: drawn there, so of Vietnam. Now South Vietnam becomes the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: world epicenter, the world focal points of the battle, let's say,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: between communism and the imperialism. And around that time is
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: when the Cambodian communists around that group from Paris say,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: we need to have such a movement here as well.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: We cannot be relying anymore on our Vietnamese brothers. We
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: have to have a communist part of Cambodia separate from
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the Communist Party of the whole into China, because we
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: need to do the revolution here. Now that time, there's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: a very weird figure ruling Cambodia who is someone who
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is a king, but also who is a king who
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is socialist friendly king. He has good relationships with China,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: very weird.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: The very weird thing is this what years are we
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: talking about now?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: We are in the we are in the sixties, early sixties,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: early sixties, early sixties. Yes, and this king King's last
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: fime minister, Prince si Hannuk is the guy who gives
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to the Cambodian Communists the nickname Khmer Rus. Khmer is
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: let's say, the ethnic Cambodian Rus means red in friends,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the red Cambodiance. He uses it dismissively, but it sticks
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and the communist like it, so then everyone calls them
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: like that. By the late sixties, sie Hanok is Weekend
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and in ninety seventy he's out by a coup with
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: alleged American clpability in it. So whatever we say, people
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know where Arlington is turned towards Arlington and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: say thank you, kissing her for your wives, for your
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: wife moves throughout all the indo China.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So we'll talk more about questions next week.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But but now I don't remember why.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: No, No, now I remember why Middle East?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: But so.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Is there a connection between these Cambonian communists and China?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: You know, is Mao having influence here at all?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Mao has the biggest influence both to the Chinese in
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: terms because he's closer, So the Chinese are intellectually aligned
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: with Soviet Union. But they get got a lot of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: support from Mao, and Mao has given the intellectual ammunition
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that the Cambodians need. There's no working class in Cambody.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: There are very few workers. None of the people we
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: will meet today in our story is a worker or
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: has ever been a working. There are a few elits
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and then they're farmers. But Mao has come up with
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this theory that they truly exploded. Are the peasants. Therefore,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: if you're a peasant, you are the revolutionary class. So
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: they look up to Mao for a rationalization on why
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: revolution is possible in Cambodia. Not in the way Lenin
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: explained us, like who has heard of Lenin? Who cares?
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: The peasants are the revolutionary class? The peasants will will
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: liberate Cambodia. Keeps in mind, though, that at that time
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: there is a hoty min path. To put it simply,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Communist gerillas from South Vietnam cut through Cambodia and they
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: do maneuvers. So now the Americans also start striking Cambodia,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and also many Vietnams communists find themselves in Cambodia. So
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the first guerilla movement, the Vietnamese are in charts. The
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Vietnamese Communists are in charge, and the local Cambodians are
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: let's say the assistant forces, because they're not that many
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: of them. We're talking about like five thousand, an army
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: of five thousand at best. And Paul Pot, who is
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: leading the Cambodian Communists, again, no one knows him at
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that point as Paul Pot. But he finds his recruiting
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: forces mostly in primordial villages. And I use the term primodial.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I understand it is a harsh term, but we're talking
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: about people with almost zero contact with civilization and people
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: who are very, very superstitious and with zero connection to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: intellectual ideas or anything. So he gains their approval mostly
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: through speaking their language, with a bit of Buddhism, a
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: bit of prestigio, and a bit of there are some
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: people who are the reason you are poor, and they
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: have what you should have. We're talking about that level.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: And I think question one of the reasons they like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Kameroos is there's a kind of ethnic crasis, kind of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: element here. We're the true heirs of the Cameo Cameo,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, a thousand years ago fifteen hundred years ago,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: had this great empire. I mean, I was in Cambodia
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to see the temples. The temples are amazing. So there's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: a history that he can hook into these peasants, you know.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And the reason it's gone is because they're being exploited exactly.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of tribal is going on there, tribal
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and first of all against the Vietnamese. You will see
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: how the Vietnamese and the Cambodian communists first and for
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: more are the Vietnamese and Cambodians. So there's always mistrust
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: among them, and you'll see later how this mistrust is
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: going to turn to bloodly to little hatred around that time. Again,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: thank you very much, Kissing Get. There is a new
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: regime in Cambodia, a guy called Loan Nol or Nol
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Loan Ell and it's a weird name, but anyway, he's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: turning the country to practically a nationalist, tribal Buddhist corrupt dictatorship.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But the US is promising him staff. So Kissinger's flights
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to Kabodia visits him, and this guy has now the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: idea that the United States are backing me, so he
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: engages in a war against the Communists and against the
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Vietnamese because the big brother is behind me, the United
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: States is behind me. The more Cambodia becomes a theater
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: of the Vietnam War, the more recruits the Communist get.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And we have here to talk about the role after
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: ninety seventy three, when there is this quote deal between
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the Americans and the Vietnamese, the vast majority of the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: bombing happens in Cambodia because that's where communist guerillas from
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Vietnam are hiding. There are seven months of brutal bombardment
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: where the Americans dropped something like I think about this way.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: In seven months, the Americans dropped on Cambodia half the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: amount of the explosives they dropped to the Pacific Front
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: in almost four years. And I don't know, you don't
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: have you experienced B fifty two bombing.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: No, but I you know you can imagine and apocalypse
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: now is a good You know, they have some seas
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: in a podcast now where you see you know the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: smell of napalm in the morning. You see what that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: bombing was like, I mean, just bombing big stretches of
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: jungle because that's where the Vietnam is.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: The you use the term you can imagine, I would
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: put it, we can't imagine. I'll give you a very
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: short historical anecdoree. There were some Soviet military advisors who
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: went to Vietnam, to South Vietnam, and the Viet CoV
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: told them, hey, the daily bombing is going to happen.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Get down, stay down. Keep in mind you might pig
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: your pants. The Soviets, now they were not college kids,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: they had seen things. When they got up from the bombing,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: each one of the Soviets, their trousers were wet. They say,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it was an experience that it was absolutely unimaginable. Now
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: imagine if this was the effect on the Soviet military advisors,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: what was the effect on farmers, on superstitious farmers who
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: didn't even know what is an airplane? So they would
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: lose their mind, they would be in days of absolute paroxysm.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: It was a very, very scary experience, but also an
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: experience that solidified the idea that we're dealing here with
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: some demons, with some devils, and whoever comes to save
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: us from these demons from the sky, they have now
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: our loyalty. So this is why this is how the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: communists recruit. Also B fifty two is particularly back then,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: they don't have much accuracy and the United States do
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: not have the intel that Israel today has, so quite
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: often these bombs dropping friendly villages in the cambod Royal Army.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: So what happens, to cut a long story sort, is
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: that over half a million of terrified Cambodians fled to
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the capital, and they doubled the population of the capital.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Imagine New York in seven months, going from eight to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: sixty million people, but a much poorer New York. The
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: whole country is now in this array. And in the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: countryside the Communists are establishing the reign of terror, or
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: already in the countryside, and they start moving towards the capital,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: towards Nonpeg, and on the seventeenth of April nineteen seventy
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: four they enter the capital. We can talk either an
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: now or later about what do we mean when we
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: say that they establish the reign of terror, because what
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: they do when they're in power, they were already doing
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: it to the country side. I'll just give it very quickly.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's that life becomes a huge barracks, a military barracks,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: families are united in production units. There is no money,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and there's no money for a reason, so that nothing
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: from what could be produced can benefit a particular individual
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: or an outsider. Everything belonged to everyone or to no one.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So and you also, as a person, you belong to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the production in union. There's no travel prohibited, No flirting
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: is prohibited. Sorry, flirting is prohibited. No fancy claws are allowed.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And we will see all the things that will become
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the trademark of Cambodia under the rule of cameraws. The
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Khmeras are all ready doing these things in the in
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the places they haven't in control, which shows that this
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: is a plan. This is what their goal was. Their
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: goal was from day one equality and even when they
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: get small amounts of land, this is the first thing
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: they do here e galitarians.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And we have to talk about what equality means. Here.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Equality means everybody is the same except for the people
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the guns, but everybody else is the same. They're the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: same stuff, they do the same thing, they live in
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the same type of place. There is literally no difference
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: between them in terms of outcome, in terms of how
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: they live. They complete negation of private property, not even
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit of no private property and in an
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: echo of you know, maybe they would end them before
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: before the you know they did this, but there's literally
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: no eye. The eye disappears. Everything is we everything is
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: collectivized everything.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Every few days, there's something called introspection meetings. Introspection meetings
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: which sounds nice, like you all meditate. No introspection menities
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: where everyone should criticize acts of individualism from other people
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and then self criticisms did I do anything for myself?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: And we have crazy scenes. So for example, we have
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: a guy who with tears begs the forgiveness of the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: group because he kept a journal with some personal thoughts.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Now I know that this comes from objectivist people will say,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: you come on, guys, you read this an anthem. No
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: having a journal was something which was punishable, and at
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that time, this guy begs the forgiveness because like, I
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: made this scene, but I promise I will never do it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I will never never do it again. So when we
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: say they were against individualism, this is not something that
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: we connected the dots. They would literally have speakers pamphlets
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: where they would denounce, denounce individualists, that this is what
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: we need to get to get rid of and this
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: is what we are, this is what we're fighting against.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And again the horror hasn't started yet with just this
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: is what happens before they get to power.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So they get to power in April seventy four, I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: think seventy five.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Seventeen April seventy four. Their marching to the capital a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: copy which is very quiet and exhausted, because there's this
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: civil war been going on for ages, and at this
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: point no one knows who are these people who are
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: coming in the count in the capital. At that point,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: none has heard the name Paul pot So they see
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: these farmers all dressed in the same clothes. By the way,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: now as I've got stuck in my head, it's seventy
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: four or seventy five, I should have notes for anyway
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: someone should.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I think they see power in seventy five.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, seventeen April seventy five. Sorry, And again the population
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: initially are positively inclined. And this is something I think
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: which is a takeaway. Lesson your the danger of anything,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: but this, this is how the Cameraus come to power.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: The population is so exhausted that they say, whatever, whoever
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: these people are. I've heard stories that they are crazy.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: They can't be worth all these corrupt peoples we've had.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So they either welcome their arrival or they did not
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: resist their arrival. And they will very very soon pay
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: for it. Because the first thing, the first thing the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Kmerows do when they enter the capital literally day one,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: is they're telling the people, you all have to evacuate,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: non pen you have to evacuate the capital. And to
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: make this very real and energy and they say, because
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the Americans are about to bomb us, and the people
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: believe this, and suddenly you have these rivers, rivers of
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: a population leaving towards unknown directions. And the Kmerows do
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: some very clever tell them, you're going to be back
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: into three days.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: They don't take stuff, so.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: That they don't take stuff, so that they don't take stuff.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: So you have people who are living. Now we're in April.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Keep in mind April for Cambodies the equivalent of August
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Costa Rica or Greece. We're talking about forty degrees celsius.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And all this happens with zero organizations. There are no vehicles,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: they're empty. The hospitals, for God's sake, they're emptying the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: hospitals and they're taking everyone to the countryside. Now why
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: do they take people in the countryside. First of all,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: obviously know need to take any belongings with you, because
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: this is the easiest way to get away with private property.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: It's one of you. All you have is the clothes
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you're wearing, and that's it. And also, now you're a
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: new person. In your previous life, maybe you were an engineer,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: maybe you were a doctor. But where you're going no factories,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: there's no schools, there's nothing, there's only bare land. So
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: now you're all farmers. You walk for days, sometimes weeks.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Imagine going from New York to Philadelphia by fit and
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia you arrived in wilderness and I was like, okay,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: here work the land. But I have no tooths with
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: your hands mhm. And this is so when we when
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: we we're going to talk about millions of deaths, it's
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: not that each one of them was executed. Many died
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in these circumstances where there was again zero organization. Imagine
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: tomorrow a force is coming to New York. You've never
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: seen it before, and they tell you all go out
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: towards the counterside, and somehow there you have to survive.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And we're talking about a poor country. I mean, think
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: about New York going the countryside and lots of wealthy
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: farmers over there that can help you out. We're talking
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: about that dood poor country. There is already this far
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: away from from starvation, right, And now you increase in
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the warle population and you're demanding that they worked. They've
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: never worked in the you know, in farming in their lives,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and large numbers of people start starving. I mean huge
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: numbers of people just starve to death, and and you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and then they also start killing people.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: And already moving them to the counterside. This is already
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I hope it's clear how it's in egalitarian zestu, like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: now we're all gonna be equal because you're all gonna
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: stand the city. But also it's an act of envy,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: because they were seeing the urban nights as corrupt as
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the ones who had it too well. So they were saying,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for years we were in the counterside fighting, we were
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: sleeping with the snakes, the scorpions and the mosquitoes, whereas
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: you were all here being self interested and comfortable. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: what actually happens is we talked about Apocalypse Now. The
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: whole movie of Apocalypse Now is a trip to a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: primordial wilderness. This is what Cambodia does. They cut themselves
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: off from civilization. Literally, there's no telegram, there is no
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: post service. At some point there is an American vehicle
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: which is falling in the hands of the Kmerous. The
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Americans have zero way of communicating with the Cambodians. To
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: release the people, they go to the Chinese, and the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Chinese tell them there's no post office, there's no there's nothing.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: The imagine a country which cuts itself from modernity and
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: starts going towards the past. And literally in the capital,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: within a few months you have wild animals. You have
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: remember that beautiful scene Horrowings seen in the in the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Atolas drag where in the factories you have a flower,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: vegetables taking over. This is what happened. This is what
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: happens to the capital. A trip to primordial horror, a
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: trip to pre modernity.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And this is nineteen si people. This is not a
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: thousand years ago, This is not one hundred years ago.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: This is you know, fifty, you know, fifty years ago.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: It's it's stunning within our lifetime.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Within yeah, and interesting ironically, all this was look, they said,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: we will industrialize in fifteen to twenty years. So their
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: goal was everything that Soviet Union did in a generation
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: and everything that China did in a generation, we are
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: going to do in half a generation. So again the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: example was Maw and the Great Lip, the Great Leap forward,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the biggest non military catastrophe perhaps in human history. So
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Sony is your model to tell you what's gonna happen.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: And also there's a lot of premise of consciousness there.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: We want it so where good revolutionaries, therefore it will happen.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And if it won't happen, someone did not want it enough.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And this is where you have then the second level
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: of horror, which is looking for who are the enemies
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: of the people, because obviously very soon you start getting
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the news that you have mastarvation and nothing is produced.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So now they have to find they have to find
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the subots. And this is where you have, for example,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the S twenty one prison, which I know there are
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: many horrible places throughout human history, but if you told
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: me one place you never want to find yourself in,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that would be the central prison in the capital. So
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: this was a school that was turned to a prison
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: where they would send all the quote enemy of the people,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: which it practically means anyone who they thought or they fabricated.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: That was the reason why the country is not becoming
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: the richest country in the world. Where you would be
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: tortured for days and then you would be killed. The
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: survival rate in that prison was zero point one percent.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: To put it into perspective, I had somewhere here I
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: think it nows which it was something like anyway, but
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: not a zero point one percent if it was significantly
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: significantly significantly higher. So it was it was practically I
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: think it aus which it was fifteen percent or something
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: And who were prime with people who were center this present.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Mostly the ideologically suspicious elements, so people with some education.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, education was a big one.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Education was You've probably heard the wurban myth that they
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: would keep people with glasses that were wearing This might
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: be an exaggeration, but it's not an exaggeration. They were
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: going after the teachers and everyone who is educated and literate.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: If you were literate, then you know, if you could read,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: and I think glasses were more of an indication of reading.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: If you could read, then you were suspicious because you
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: got an education somewhere.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly, which means that you were of the old people.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: So the other thing they do there is a proper
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: apartheid in the population between the base people they call them,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: and the new people. The base people are the farmers, uncorrupted, unalienated,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: something very loose sol there. The new people had, I mean,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: no one had right, but the new people had literally
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: zero rights. There were citizens of a lower of a
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: lower order and something. For our anarchist friends, it's going
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: to sound very weird for a communist country in cambody
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: of the state, literally wier the way there was no state.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: There was no tribunals, there was no secret police knocking
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: on your door at night. There were practically fifthdoms of fanatics,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: and whatever the warlord in every commune would decide that
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: would be your faith. There were some communes where things
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: were slightly less horriendous because the local warlord was it's okay.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: But there was no trial. There was no state, There
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: was no ministry of something and you go to the ministry.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: It was anarchy in action. It was the one case
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: where indeed the state was did wither away, and it
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: was communists without properly without properly a state.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've also got some aya, we've got a few
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: examples of the state we're doing away and they don't
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: end pretty, none of they don't.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And yeah they don't. They don't then pretty.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: So now, yes, So when I mentioned this to you
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: before the show, I want to recommend the movie to
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: people because I think in the movie does a really
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: really good job of really showing us what was going
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: on and what happened. So the movie starts with the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: family in pan they're obviously little. I can't remember what
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the father does, but he's involved with the with the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: government in some way, and you know, it's obviously a
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: very educated family. The kids are going to school, and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the movie starts with the Khmu rules have just entered
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the city, and next they're out of their apartment and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: they are marched away. And the movie was made by
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Julia Julie but in it's beautifully shot. The children who
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: play who are really the stars of the show, you know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: just they do a great job for kids. I mean,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: these are kids, and the movie really really really depicts
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: what goes on in these places where they're farming supposedly,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and the brutality, and it's very explicit about the collectivist,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: anti individualism, anti anti private property. The movie is called
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: First They Killed My Father, and that tells you a
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: lot just from the title, First they Killed My Father,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and it's about the kids and how the kids survive
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: once the father and then others die are killed. But
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: the reasons they killed, how they killed, how they survive,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the starvation. It really is worth watching, worth watching this
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: movie if you want to really understand what it was like.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: And here's one even darker, if there could be darker
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: ideal that the Colms had in Cambodia, and this was
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: that romantic love. It's also something which is very selfish
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: by the way. They're right on that for the wrong reasons,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: and therefore it has to be approoted. So every romantic
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: love which was not approved by the state was persecuted.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Families before the revolution were split, they were not living together,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: they were in different they were put in different communes,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and premarital sex could be punishable by death. And there's
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: one horrible detail that I can't get out of my mind,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: and I read it so I have to now you
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: have to hear it as well. People. So there was
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: a designated place for sexual consumation, how it's called. And
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: this was only for the productive purposes. And you had
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: the guard, a red guard outside making sure that okay,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: guy five minutes out. But in such circumstances, people don't
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: have any will to do anything because you know, as
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I said, sex celebration of life. The last thing you
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: want at that point is anything to do with that.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: But this was also punishable by death, being assigned a
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: partner and having sex and not doing sex. So what
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: they would do is they would pretend the sexual sounds
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: so that the guard with them let them go. So
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: we're talking about we're talking about the basement that is
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: absolutely unprecedenting history. And I actually I worry at this
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: point that some people might think, guys, you're exaggerating against
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: your objectivists. Yeah, this was just a horrible dictators. But
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: what do you mean? No, I I want to read
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: you something from this is from the person who is
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: the head of state. This is a guy called Q Subpam.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And actually these guys were such true believers that they
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: did not live a much better life. They were true.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: So this guy at some point falls in love with
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: a girl in Paris. He cuts her off because his
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: happiness is not for me. My duty is revolution. By
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: the way, Lenin did the same, His friend zoned the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: love of his life. And then at some point he's
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: hitting at a restaurant with his brother, and he asked
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: his brother, how was your dug And the brother says good,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and then he gives him a bit down for fifteen minutes.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: How dare you enjoy something when the people out there
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: are suffering before the revolution? Anyway, So this is what
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: this guy, who again is perhaps either the number two
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: or number three, this is how he explains revolution. Quote,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: how do we make a communist revolution? The first thing
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: you have to do is to destroy private property. But
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: private property exists on both the material and the mental plane.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: To destroy material private property, that was easy, the evacuation
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: of the townhold. But he says, spiritual private property is
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: more dangerous. It comprises every everything that is yours, everything
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: that you think exists in relation to yourself, your parents,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: your family, your wife, everything of which you say it's
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: mine is spiritual private property. By the way, he sounds
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: like doogi. So these people do exist till today. Continue
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: thinking in terms of me and mine is forbidden. If
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: you say my wife. That's wrong. You should say our
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: family and Cambodia is our big family and one more life.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: The moment you allow private property, one person will have
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: a little more, another a little less, and then they
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: are no longer equal. But if you have nothing, zero
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: for him and zero for you, that is true equality.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: If you permit even the smaller part of private property,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: you're not longer one. And this is not communism. End
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: of quote. People this quote because I could not believe
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that it's true. I try to double take it. I
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: try to double take that this person is real.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: All this is real, and it's another nine novel. It's
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: not an anthem. It's not Athla shrugs. I'm intellectual and athlete
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: schrug And this's straight out of anthem. I mean, this
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: is exactly what she depicts. She understood that communist ideology
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: led to these horrors, whether they always manifest or not.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: You know, the democratic socialism, at the end of the day,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: ultimately push to its conclusion is exactly this. This is
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: why you know these ideas are so damn evil.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is that these guys are one
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: hundred percent correct. If you allow private property, someone will
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: have a bit more, someone would have a bit less.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: So they're honest communists. This is what people need to understand,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: or at least they're honest egalitarianism. This is a galutary
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: is there is no other egalitarianism. So ask yourself again,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: if this is a galutarianism properly applied, what should we
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: make of a galitarianism?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: So, you know, people are starving, they're killing people. I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: mean they're killing people in the prison, they're killing people
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: out in the fields for all kinds of reasons. Somebody
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: steals a little bit of food because they're starving, they
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: kill them for that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: And at some point you are not also allowed to
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: eat for us. How it's called tweet the dead animals
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: or polymps, because again then you are not part of
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: the many. Then you have more than your brothers, and
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: this is not allowed.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some good scenes in the movie depicting depicting that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: You know, people are dying, people are starving. Again, we said,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: somewhere between twenty to forty percent of the population is
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: dying or dead. How long does this last? Y and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: what happens?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: One last thing, yes, one last thing. We said that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: these people were truly altruists and someone in the audience
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: might last. I'll just tell you this. For almost half
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: of the reign of the Red Commerce, no one knows
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: that Paul Pott is the leader. They are even high
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: admins in the party that do not know who is
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: the leader. Paul Pot does not. There's no cut of personality.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: There are no posts because again these people say, even
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: within the party were all equal. Everyone is brother number one.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: This was the nickname of Paul Pot. Everyone is brother
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: number one, Everyone is Paul Pot. Paul Pot is everyone
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: and no one. So this comes to an end after
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: three years and seven months or something like that, something
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: below four years, because the Vietnamese invade Cambodia, not out
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: of the kindness of their heart, but they have how
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: to put it a border disputes Vietnam. At that point,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: these people were experienced fighting the Americans. We're talking about
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: perhaps the best army in the region, not just between
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: them and Cambodia. Within a week, Cambodia has fallen because
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: there's nothing there. There is no industrial base, there are
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: no proper guns, no pen he is almost empty. So
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: the Vietnam is just parade in and they throw the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: kumerous again in the mountains some of them stay in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the mountains for ten years. They keep some parts of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: land here and there. Paul Pot stays alive for twenty
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: more years. Then at some point, actually not at some point,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: very quickly, China invades also Vietnam, because China sees Vietnam's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: attack against Cambodia an affront to a client state or
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: to an ally. So you have three communist countries fighting
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: each other. Vietnam is attacking Cambodia and China is attacking
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: is attacking Vietnam. But the good thing of all this
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: is that the vietnam Is kick out the Kmerou. So
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the nightmare is over. For the records, I think the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: closest number to the percentage of population which is lost
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: is between twenty and twenty two percent. But it doesn't matter.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: And let me say already to anyone who might want
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: to ask questions, I couldn't care less what the proper
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: definition is genocide, because many people say, no, genocide is
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: only you. I don't care. It's one of the biggest
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: horror stories in history. However you want to call it
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: genocide or mcgeddon, holocaust, ecatom, it's one. It's perhaps the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: most horrendous regime in the history of humanity, extinguishing twenty
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: two percent of its population in three years and eight months.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And we're talking about between one and after two million
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: people being killed. Yeah, so I think we're going And
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the number. The question is how many people? What was
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: the population of Cambodia when they started, And I've heard
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: anything from five to seven million. If it's five percent,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: If it's five million, two is forty, if it's If
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: it's seven, then it's then it's twenty. So it really
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: depends on what age.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: One of the age is difficult, difficult to measure is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: because there are also many Vietnamese there. You come in
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: and out. So and of course, as it happens again
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: with all tribal at least at some point, the turn
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: against the Vietnamese. They can't they turn against the Buddhists,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: they ten against the minorities. So it's it's it's an absolute,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: it's an it's an absolute, absolutely crazy.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, So what happened, What happens to the kame us?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I mean is there are is the you know they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: are they killed, you know, the vietnam Is come in
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: and wipe them out. Do the Cambodias. Once they kick
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: out the Vietnamese and established independence, do they kill the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: kame Rouge? I mean, I think the story of what
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: happens to Cameroouge afterwards is is fascinating.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: So they mostly go towards the Thailand border and they
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: established some fifth on there. Now they don't anymore go
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: to their old habits of the gal Tarians and all
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: that that, because now the focus is let's form an
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: alliance to kick out the Vietnamese. So Paul Pott dies
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: a natural death in ninety eight. Many of his lieutenants
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: are still alive. The guy who I told you with
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: the quote on the quote straight out of the anthem,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I think that guy is still alive. The guy who
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: was running the S twenty one prison, he went through
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: trial in So it's only in the first decade of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the twenty percent to read where they properly started prosecuting
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: some of these monsters. And the interesting thing some of
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: them used the language of social justice to gain sympathy.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: That all we did is we fought for those as sure,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: we took it too far. Some of them were properly
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: you know, they realized they were in tears that you know,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: what we did is unforgiven. Others tried to play it
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: like well, and Paul Pott was never He never apologized,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: he never saw what he did wrong. Also, one last thing,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: almost all of these people, from what we can gather, were,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: at least up to the point where they became the kmerous,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: they were normal people. Paul Pott had a very bright smile,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: he was very friendly, he was a very good teacher,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: never raised his voice. So don't look here for sociopaths.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Look here for people who are taken over not by
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: a mind vibes, but by ideas.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is one of the great illustrations
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: in history of the power of ideas. I think, I mean,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I've had some way. I don't have the exact numbers.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Some of the kame Wos landed up in more modern
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Cambodian governments. They were absorbed into Kebodian society and survived
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: in government.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: But remember this is not like the Nazis, where you
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: have lists who were in the Nazi Party. Here you
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: have an anarchy who there are. First of all, these
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: people were not under their real names. Quite often. Again,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: even Paul Pott, he the big reveal of his name
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I think was in seventy seven, like one year before
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: they before they fell. So I'm sure that many of them,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: and also many of them back then were kids, not
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: their food soldiers. It was a fifteen year old. And
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: sometimes they were the worst obviously the wars and the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: most fanatic killers.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: So I think it's important that we cover one other topic,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: and that is what was the attitude of intellectuals in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the West or the West more broadly two always going
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: on and then to the revelations later on about how
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: bad it really was.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: In such cases with the first question we have to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: ask is when did the world know and what did
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: they know? Everyone knew that they evacuated the capital, because
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: again they did it in day one. They were still
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: foreign correspondence, foreign diplomats. There were already stories, horror stories
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: from people who managed to literally walk to Thailand and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: find refuge there. And you have the usual pattern. You
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: have leftist intellectuals and mostly academics who either support the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: resim or or they are telling that all these things
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: that you heard are lies. Now keep in mind, because
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Cambodia was an ally of China and not of Soviet Union.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: The communist parties in the West wanted nothing to do
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: with Cambodia. But all the far left extra parliamentary left
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: we call them in Greece. So all the maoists were excited.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: And I think there's something particularly demonic and satanic. I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: know what's phrase to fight. In the last year of
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Paul Pot's reign, he realizes that this craziness is too far,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: so he opens up a bit the country for foreigners
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: to come. And there are many foreigners, sympathetic communists who
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: fly to Cambodia. And my suspicion is the thing that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: they like the most is that everyone is equally poor.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: So listen just a few lines. These are some sweetish,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: some sweetish people. This is from a christianimit socialist, the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: failed idea that never dies. So this remember that time
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: run said someone that she hated that line that said
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: that in Soviet Union everyone wears the same crappy clothes.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: This is not from a novel. This is an a
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: real and these are from these activists from Sweden. Quote
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: city dwellers who once lived in villas with servants, do
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: find the food in the communes a bit meager. The food,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: by the way, was two spoons of rice in a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: soup every day, but the cooperative guarantees foods for all.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Notice the glee, right, haha, you don't have good food anymore.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Two more lines. The simple guarantees of dwelling space, clothes,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: and food that the new society provides turn the dreams
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: of a poor present into reality and continuing, the old
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: society is gone. Then there was luxury and fine wines
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and the sweet life or the selected few, but the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: people had it hard. Now everyone can satisfy their hunger,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: and all can cover their nakedness. This is their vision, guys,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: this is their vision. You can you can't cover your nakedness.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: This is the visions. This is the vision that leftist
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: have for you. There is rice and there are clothes.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Twice a month, it is said, everyone is able to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: eat dessert. So they're telling you openly that this is
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: what we saw in Cambodia and it's great. So this
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: is the left for you. This is a galitarian, This
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: is a gullitarian for you. No, I'm Chomsky, Okay, yeah,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: So the Tomski that here's a bit of food beneath
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: of the Tomski situation. So they say that Tomsky was
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: the fun of the regime and all the stuff. What
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: actually happened is that twice in seventy seven and seventy nine,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: some ski together with someone like him. They made a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: lot of fuss claiming that the information that comes out
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: of Cambodia is unreliable, that all the horror stories we
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: hear is unreliable. And they said, we remain agnostic, as
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: if we didn't know what happened in Soviet Union, in China.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: In every other time, you could say, okay, you know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: he just tried to be objective. He noticed that Somemski
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: never bothered to do some self criticism about that. Still today,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know it's alive, or.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Did he he's alive.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: By the way, I've exchanged image with Tomskin a previous life.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: That's for another show. Still today, his basically, I did nothing.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I did nothing wrong. All I did was say this
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: information was not was not objective. So these people are
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: entirely sure that there's a genocide in Gaza because Hamas
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: told them so. Yeah, and in every turn in history
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: something similar happens. But the poor farmers in Thailand, they
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: are not who escaped. They are not to be trusted,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: because why would the comments, the resume do some such things.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Right, So.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I want to recommend everybody again in the movie First
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: They Killed My Father. It's really powerful and I won't
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: give away the ending, but you won't be goot watching it.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think you were good watching it, and watch
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: it to the end. It sometimes it gets burro and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: you want to turn it off, but watch it to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: the end. It really is worth it.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: And there's a movie from the eighties, the Killing, The
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Killing Film, the classic. Again it's worth I think with
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: John Malkowitz, everything you see in these films, yeah, they
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: perhaps reality was even worse. You cannot capture the horror.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. And in my book, Angelina Julie gets a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of credit, no matter what the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: politics are, for making this movie and and and and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: making it as accurately as she did anything else, anything else.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: We want to wrap up on on Cambodia, the Camerous.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I think we've covered everything.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Just if after World War Two we condemned the ideology
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: that led led to the Holocaust, I don't understand why
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: it's not at the same level we don't condemn the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: ideology that led to the killing fields.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: So absolutely, And and most people don't even know about
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: the killing Fields. They don't even know it happened. They
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. It's it's fine. Yeah, Okay.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Before we go to our super check questions, Schasba asked
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: us to review a song. Was it two weeks ago,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago? Whenever? It was? That song is stand
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Up by rem And I don't know if you guys
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: know the song, but you remember it from me from
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. And I'm gonna let Nicos go first,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: and before I give you my opinion about this.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, people, you cannot just listen to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: this song. You have to watch the video clip. Fifty
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: of the charm is the video clip. It is pure
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: return propaga, nostalgia. It's nostalgia, porm, It's it's it's eighties.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: See, they have nostalgia for the eighties. I mean not
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: everybody has nostalgia for the eighties.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I definitely have nostalgia for the eighties.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Ok.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: You watch this video clip and it looks like somewhere
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: behind there Ronald Regan doing his his thing night right
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: with David Hasselhoff air Wolf. It has this this vibe.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: So that's the so the song goes together with the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: video clip. Now, the song is a light song, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: it mostly it's a invitation to ask yourself what am
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I doing in life? Why I'm here? Have I actually
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: chosen this? But it doesn't be very light so a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: very benevolent song. So this is my evaluation of it.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: A benevolent sample of an era which in my mind
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: is a benevolent and emos and era where still the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: West was a thing. Yes I was.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I was older in the nineteen eighties than Nicols, so
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: maybe I remember it a little differently. But I mean, yeah,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: this is a benevolent song. But it's nothing. It's zero.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: It's candy candy cane, it's full of air. It's got
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: this simple, stupid melody to repeat itself constantly. It's light hearted,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: but it's in the video. I mean, if you read
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: the lyrics. Okay, So I mean, here's a part of
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: the way. Listen to reason season is coming, and the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: whole idea is your feet are planted on the earth
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: and your head guide you to where you go. Right,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: So great theme, really good theme, but it's nothing. It's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: you know, there's no content, there's even even the limits
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I put out the divilics. It's just propetitive. It repeats
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the same thing over and over and again, and the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: tune is I find it boring. And and I look
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: at those haycuts from the nineteen eighties and I go,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that's me. Photos of me in the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. I look exactly like that, And uh yeah,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I and oh, this is what I want to say
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: about the video. The videos, yeah, everybody, they're dancing. But
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: then when they show like they talk here about work
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: or doing work and reason and listening, so you think, okay,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: this is there's some positive seeming. What do they show
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: is work? They show somebody planning in a garden or
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: something like that. There's no work. There's The video is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: against superficial and light and AI and nothing. There's nothing there,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: zero ze savvy shaws. But I mean, I didn't hate
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: it because it wasn't It wasn't painful. Like some of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: the songs you guys asked me to review have been
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: literally painful for me to watch or to listen to.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: This isn't painful. It's like, you know, again, a piece
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: of candy, and as you know, I avoid sugar, so
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: you know, this was.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Also not this not thise. No, there are some signs there.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Did you notice the diversity in the cast in the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: video clip?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Very little? If anything, You.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Already start see that there is something.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: A little bit is a little bit. Okay, Yeah, so
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I mean that's that's that's interesting to do a history
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: of diversity and on television.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, say this song is I prefer it from
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Losing my Religion, which people think it's a great song,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: so it plays all the time. It's not a great
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: song and we've heard it a million time. So I'd
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: rather listen to this song from Rim rather than Losing
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: my religion.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, We've already got a new song from Shots
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: about to with you for next time. It's called Don't
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: You Forget About Me.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: when we were talking about the eighties and yeah, I
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: almost talked about the haircuts. I was just thinking about
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: the song.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what the song is. I've never
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: heard of.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: It, have I bet? I bet? I have to listen
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: to the salary.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: It's my simple Minds, So I'll let you know if
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: I've heard it.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: But it's the soundtrack, it's the soundtrack of these five
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: kids who stay at school one morning one Saturday. What's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: the name of it?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I remember that movie? Yes, classic in nineteen eighties, Classic, yea,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and a movie I didn't like particularly. I didn't like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: the eighties. I mean I like movies in the eighties. Actually,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: there were some good movies in the eighties. James Cameron
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: made good movies in the eighties, and and h in
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: the Last of Mohicans was a really good movie. I
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: think the best in the eighties.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: The Last of the Moans. I would bet it's nineties,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: because I remember.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's ninety one and eighty two. You may be right.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Ninety one is still lateies. It still count.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: It's still consens eighties for me. But I watched it, Yeah,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I watched it in the US. Yeah, it's probably the nineties,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: early nineties.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: And excellent sound. One of the best soundtracks in modern
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: history of Hollywood.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing movie, and it's very the only problem
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: with the movies. It's one problem with the movie is
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to understand what they're saying the way
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the sound is mixed. Even in when I saw it
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: for the first time, What did they say? I mean,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: it was hard to understand the dialogue, but once you
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: understand the dialogue, the dialogue is excellent. And it's a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: real movie about values, and it's it's it's it's dramatic
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: and powerful, sad in many ways, U, But really, really,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's the best movie of that era, or
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: the one I enjoyed the most from that era. So anyway,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: as some Mohicans nineteen ninety two lips and tells us, yes,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: ncause it is a better memory of the late eighties
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: and early nineties.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: And ninety yes it was. These were yes. Anyway, just
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: let me say one more thing. So people this you know,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: it feels like a friendly child. We're having fun, and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: we do. But keep in mind that serious work goes
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: behind this episode. So our research prep for this goes
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: well into the double digits of ours. And if you've noticed,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I practically stopped doing videos on my channel because this
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: takes so much work. So let's encourage people to contribute.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: If you appreciate what you're seeing, it's great that we
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, but appreciation alone doesn't pay the end. But
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: if you can contribute, sell it with your friends, or
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: sell it with your friends, your own channel, my time,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: your own's pa, my padro, my sub stock. This will
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: be highly appreciated because again, this takes a lot of work.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I spent more time prepping for these things, and I
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: was prepping at the university for a unique class. So
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: to guilty a little.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Bit, Yeah, like the show get likes. We want to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: get we want to get more visibility. And YouTube cares
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: about interaction, comment like chat, go in the chat. Also,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we I've got an ambitious fundraising goal for
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: each one of these shows with Nicos, again because there
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: are two of us and because Nicos puts a huge
• 1:21:37
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  Speaker 1: I know it's how to get to I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if in any of the shows we've actually reached the number,
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  Speaker 1: but we've gotten close, I think, but we need to
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  Speaker 1: get close. We need to get close. So so you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're four hundred and twenty dollars short of our goal.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, step in, guys, and feel free to
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  Speaker 1: helps a lot. So and if you're gonna ask questions,
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  Speaker 1: we have got the World Cups.
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  Speaker 2: It's World Cup. Where are the World Cup questions?
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  Speaker 1: That's right, World Cup. And we have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: two dollars questions, mainly from time is asking a ton
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  Speaker 1: a huge amount of our time, which is great. Thanks Time,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate I appreciate that. But you know, if you're
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  Speaker 1: do twenty dollars questions. Let's try to do twenty dollars questions.
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  Speaker 1: So we get so so we we we affect the needle,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we get we get this up all right.
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  Speaker 1: Next week, next week the show, We've decided on our topic.
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  Speaker 1: Next week, we're going to talk about Ronald Reagan. We're
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: going to talk about Ronald Reagan. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about his career. You know, actor turned to politics, governor
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  Speaker 1: of California and then of course president President ran in
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  Speaker 1: seventy six, ran in nineteen eighty President very controversially and
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  Speaker 1: very surprising, I think to young objectivists. Iinran never voted
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  Speaker 1: for him. She opposed him in seventy six, and she
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  Speaker 1: opposed him even more harshly in nineteen eighty inspite of
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he was running against Jimmy Catters. She
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't vote for him. So why didn't iron Ran vote
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  Speaker 1: for him? And what was he like? You know? Was
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: he a good president? I mean, a lot of people
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: consider him one of the greatest American presidents? Does he
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  Speaker 1: justify that? Did Einran's prediction about the damage he would
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  Speaker 1: do come true? All of that, plus an explanation of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: where it comes from and kind of his history I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: think is going to be It's going to be interesting
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  Speaker 1: and fun. And that is the nineteen eighties. That's the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. I remember actually going. I was in the army,
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  Speaker 1: So just I'll end with this story and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: go to the super Chato was in the Israeli Army
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  Speaker 1: and the nineteen eighty election happened right November nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 1: when I went to the Israeli embassy at night and
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  Speaker 1: I watched the returns come in. I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know and Ran didn't like Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan
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  Speaker 1: looked like a you know, such a big improvement over
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter. I was rooting for Reagan. I was, I
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  Speaker 1: was completely sold, but I was rooting for Reagan, and
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  Speaker 1: I watched the returns come in the Israeli Embassy in
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  Speaker 1: New York City where they were having a big party
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  Speaker 1: for the election. So that that's my that's my one
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  Speaker 1: d Reagan's story.
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  Speaker 2: So for my patron not to get confused. Tomorrow we
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  Speaker 2: have our deep dive. I will answer all the questions
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: you've asked, and then Saturday for the whole public, same
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  Speaker 2: topic with Yaron. Probably we're gonna focus on different areas.
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  Speaker 2: Yaron is more of an expert on economic so we'll
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  Speaker 2: see if he was indeed that defender of freedom. So
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  Speaker 2: for those of you who follow both me and Yaron,
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  Speaker 2: this is gonna be Ronaldrigan week.
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  Speaker 1: going to be here for a while, and I've done
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  Speaker 1: a plan, so let's start with the fifty dollars questions.
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  Speaker 1: First one is from Michael. Thank you, Michael. Michael, can
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  Speaker 1: you can you react to bad Pitt's comments on iin
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  Speaker 1: Rand and the fountain Head and Athla shrugged? He said
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  Speaker 1: he didn't like the theme of we're better than you,
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  Speaker 1: we have all the right answers and you don't deserve us,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going on strike. Yeah, I'm not surprised he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like the theme. I mean, it's it's a tough
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  Speaker 1: theme to handle. But if you ask bad Pitt, are
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  Speaker 1: you better then you're on brook at acting? I think
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  Speaker 1: you would say yes. I hope you would say yes.
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  Speaker 1: And the reality is that what is Ironran saying? She's
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  Speaker 1: not saying they're better at you know, they're better at producing,
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  Speaker 1: the better at music? The better at whatever it is
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  Speaker 1: that they're doing. They're better at that. It doesn't give
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  Speaker 1: them any special privileges. It doesn't give them. They're not aristocracy.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen people call them aristocracy. They're not aristocrats. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have any anything by both. They just like bad
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  Speaker 1: Pet has worked hard to make his money and be
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  Speaker 1: successful in cinema. Now, imagine bad Pet, you are better
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  Speaker 1: than even you are. Imagine you are a combination of
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  Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and Sir John Gilgood or Lawrence Olivier or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, and you know you're the best actor
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  Speaker 1: in the world, and people treat their like shit, and
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: people want to want to do what the Kama Rouge
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  Speaker 1: did right in a sense, they want to knock you down,
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  Speaker 1: They want to make you like everybody else. Would you
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  Speaker 1: then feel like they don't deserve you. I know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of actors and you know who ultimately do feel that. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they did it to Marilyn Monroe to some extent. Now,
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't a great actress, but she had a great spirit.
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  Speaker 1: She had a spirit about her, and they knocked that
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  Speaker 1: spirit out of her. And there's a sense in which
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  Speaker 1: they didn't deserve Marilyn Monroe, and I think partially she
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  Speaker 1: knew that and she couldn't live with that, and she
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  Speaker 1: committed suicide. So you know, this happens a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stories in Hollywood of very successful actors who were knocked down.
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  Speaker 1: I forget the name is a famous movie Francis about
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  Speaker 1: this famous actress who goes crazy. She literally goes nuts,
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  Speaker 1: and she's institutionalized because of the way she is treated.
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  Speaker 1: So I need to take you something that's very real
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  Speaker 1: in our culture, and she's dramatizing it. And of course
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  Speaker 1: there's a wider purpose to the drama it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is a it is a book, it's a novel. She's
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  Speaker 1: not arguing for everybody to stop working. Everybody who's who's good.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, And you can't expect from these people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to be intellectual giants. Remember Zack Snyder in Joe Rogan
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  Speaker 2: said Seving similarly, Oh no, no, I didn't like Auntless drug.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the founder head. Having said that, there's somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in my mind dream team lineup for people who could
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  Speaker 2: play Atlas Rag Younger. Brad Pitt is definitely John Gold
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  Speaker 2: in my idea. So Brad Pitt is John Gold.
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  Speaker 1: He's got like, look, he's got that he could pull off.
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  Speaker 1: He could probably pull off that. He could probably pull
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  Speaker 1: it off.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I've got the brain free is the last James
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  Speaker 2: bod Daniel Craig is rare than definitely, and I lend
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  Speaker 2: alone Francisco. That would be great. So it would be
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  Speaker 2: mixed from different leaders maybe.
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  Speaker 1: A I can yeah, I mean there was oh sorry, and.
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  Speaker 2: Matthew Matthew McConaughey is made to play Elis Wyatt with
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  Speaker 2: the accent.
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  Speaker 1: But part of it is who's who's who's playing James
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  Speaker 1: Taggart and and and Mao Leslie Mouch And that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Those are going to be significant actors as well. Right,
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  Speaker 1: But there was a project at some point that Angelina
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  Speaker 1: Jolie was behind him make Atlas Shrugg and she was
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: really trying, and Brad Pitt was going to play John Gould,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: she was going to play Dagny and and uh, the
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  Speaker 1: scripts are just awful. It's just unbelieving. You cannot even
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  Speaker 1: imagine in your worst nightmare how bad these scripts were
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  Speaker 1: and what they tried to do to Adla shrug And
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  Speaker 1: and she never found a script, and she never found
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  Speaker 1: a combination that she was comfortable in making and and
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: she walked away from it. Dageney was going to be
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  Speaker 1: Angelina Julie, Oh, who does who does Nicos think Dagne
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  Speaker 1: should be?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely not Angelina. Dagny is not that you know, she's
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  Speaker 2: not like a model where it's not a head turner.
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  Speaker 2: So I understand she would want to play here because
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  Speaker 2: everyone wants to play the characters they're mostly excited about.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think she would fit.
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  Speaker 1: And I think she could make it fit maybe, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's not. She's not a great actress. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: much better actresses qui actresses out there. They could do
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  Speaker 1: it all right, Josh, thank you for the fifty dollars,
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  Speaker 1: Josh do e. Galletarians in the West realize that their ideas,
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  Speaker 1: logically character fruition would lead to another Cambodia of the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 2: If we judge from the historiography on Cambodia, No, almost
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  Speaker 2: no one focuses on the galitarianism. They focus on or
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  Speaker 2: they were primitive, they have tribal conflicts from the past,
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  Speaker 2: or they don't, they don't focus on this, or they
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  Speaker 2: you know, they spent all these volumes upon volume was
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: it the genocide or maybe the Defheinician And they don't
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  Speaker 2: focus on the essence. So the short answer is no.
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  Speaker 2: And part of the problem is there's no there's no
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  Speaker 2: very good history of Cambodia. So but even if it was,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that, you know, the bitter singers of
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  Speaker 2: this world or whoever is, I don't know who's lost
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  Speaker 2: the boy for Galtar And would pose a second and think.
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  Speaker 1: But how many of the communists think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the the death and starvation in mouse China is what
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  Speaker 1: they are leading us to, or how many of them
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: think that Stalin is the epitome of communism. They constantly
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: rationalize these things away and and and what what egalitarianism
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  Speaker 1: and communism stand on is this mall foundation of altruism,
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  Speaker 1: mall foundation of the beauty of equality. You know, that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. Egalitarianism is this powerful idea of all the same. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where it comes from in a sense
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: of why anybody thinks that's a beautiful thing. Now Nikos
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: who experienced the firsthand because he lived it. But there's
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: a there's a certain romantic romanticism associated with it, and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: they evade and ignore the hobbits.
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  Speaker 2: So what you rationalize and you tell yourself, or at
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: least what I did was the Andre tagan of thing
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: that I want everyone to become giants. Of course, then
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: you should pose for a second and ask, but why
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: didn't it happen? And again people were talking about different continents,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: different cultures, different eras, different type of leaders, quiet leaders
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: like Paul Pot, bombastic leaders like south Esco. It all
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: led to the same results. And if you don't pose
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: for a second to think, then you probably don't care
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: about the results, and you wouldn't mind if these results
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: are repeat it or even worse. That's what you're after.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: My friend Tick says communists did not fail in Cambodia.
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  Speaker 2: Communists succeeded in Cambodi.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Oh, how is chick.
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  Speaker 2: Get back? At some point he'll be back at something good.
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  Speaker 1: Good Wes, Thank you one hundred dollars stick, I really
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  Speaker 1: making our target today. So keep it, keep it, keep it,
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  Speaker 1: keep it coming. Let's let's see if we can make it.
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  Speaker 1: We one hundred and ninety dollars short, we should be
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: able to do one hundred and ninety. We got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions, so let's let's keep going, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Molten Splendor another fifty dollars, Thank you, Mountain Splendor. At
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: least ninety percent of the fund aid that the kame
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  Speaker 1: Woos received came from China. Well, China very ever publicly
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: chastised for supporting the kame Woos.
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  Speaker 2: In Popak, we're talking about the country that a few
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  Speaker 2: years before supporting bolpop We're going to kurutzev Ar and
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  Speaker 2: Mao was saying, why don't you start the nuclear war
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  Speaker 2: with the capitalist I mean, half of the people are
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: going to disappear, but those of those who will stay behind,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to win. And you you find it surprising
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  Speaker 2: that they supported that they support Cambodia. They supported Cambodia
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  Speaker 2: even again when there is in when the resim, when
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: there is in fel question, it's noticed. The question is
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  Speaker 2: what was kissing and thinking that this is the resume China,
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  Speaker 2: that he should circumvent Soviet Union and he would build
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: his brilliant strategy in making China more friendly, more friendly
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: to the West. The result is still today with.
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  Speaker 1: Us yep and yeah, I mean as anybody chided, as
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: anybody chided China for what China did the Chinese. I mean, no,
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  Speaker 1: nobody ever, none of that, None of that happens. There's
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  Speaker 1: no historical justice.
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  Speaker 2: If our friend is more interested in in what. If
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  Speaker 2: our friend is more interested in this question, it is
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  Speaker 2: covered in a book called After the War or sub like.
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  Speaker 2: So if you put combody after the War, the last
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: chapters is when did the America start? The soul setting
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: on what did how did we got involved in that mess?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: And why did that mess happen?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Interesting? Not? You have your algorithm says as pessimistic as
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: we can get, things can change for the better fast.
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  Speaker 1: Look at what was taught in Germany German universities in
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties versus the nineteen fifties. Look at Argentina
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago versus today.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just taking the book. The book is
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: when the war was over. I don't remember what title
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: I said that the book. Sorry, I missed the first
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: part of the question.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Can you give you as pessimistic as we can get?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Things can change for the better? Fast? Look at what
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: was taught in German universities in the nineteen thirties versus
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: the fifties. Look at Argentina ten years ago versus today.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: So a, it took a World war and the deaths
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: of what twenty million people something like that during the
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: war more than twenty million.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eight million were just the Soviets day.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so close to fifty million. I think probably people
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: dying to get German from the nineteen thirties curriculum to
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties curriculum. And I have to say that
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: even the nineteen fifties curriculum, at the end of the day,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: it's still the chromy German romanticism that has crippled Europe
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: to this day. It doesn't generated, you know, Nazis, but
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: it's generated what would you call it, you know, committed
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: mixed economists. Nobody is Nothings and Zeros and who knows
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: what the future of Europe is as a consequence.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: And the Green movement that gave us that generation. Yeah,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: and Argentina you have and once in a century charismatic figure,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: which is the exception. So I don't think you can
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: have many Milais in other examples, because he didn't come
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: organically as a result of a dominance, a cultural headgemony.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: To put it that way, we're very lucky to have
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: one Milai. It cannot be the recipe because I don't
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: think you can have.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at who teaches at the University
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: of Bonas IRUs the leading universe still, I think in Argentina,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: and you look at what the curriculum involves, it's almost
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: all of the professors of Marxists. So the idea that
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: something has changed at universities in Argentina, maybe it has
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: at Themogin, maybe it's changing the demand for the students
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: is something different. But again I agree with Nikos, it's
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: a unique circumstances of people pissed off. I mean, do
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: we need a three hundred percent inflation and one hundred
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: years of stagnation? This is what happened in Argentina. You forget, right,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: one hundred years of stagnation in order to get me laid. Okay,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: we start the stagnation today. We're talking one hundred years
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: and let's see if we get our own melee. So
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to think that it happened in ten years is a mistake.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: It's taken one hundred years. And to think that Germany
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: happened from thirties to the fifties while ignoring the forties,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: you can't do that, so you have to think about
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: the cost and the cost, and both has been awful
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: and let's hope we don't have to go through them.
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  Speaker 2: So we should be very ambitious, but also to keep
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: in mind that it's difficult, because otherwise we're going to
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: be yep, yep, we're not gonna win.
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  Speaker 1: James Part one, thoughts on losing friends over politics. I
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  Speaker 1: post a lot of pro conservative, anti Trump, pro capitalist
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  Speaker 1: god I was gonna say, pro capitalist, anti Trump content
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  Speaker 1: on social media and have had people I was close
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: with send me nasty messages and block me over it.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I value changing the culture and speaking truth over those relationships,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: but it does make me very cynical and resentful. Is
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: being cynical necessarily irrational in today's world?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it can just be a proper estimation or what
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: the situation is. Talk about the losing friends. I've lost
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: a friend who we were friends since ninety one, and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: it cost me so much. I still have a dams
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: with this guy that we reconnect, but it was the
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: proper thing to happen, and I lost him before I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: became an objecutivest. I lost him when I started questioning
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: something from the marchis Orthodoxy, and he sent me a
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: very long email and the tagline was the key phrase
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: was you didn't just betray the party, you betrayed Marxist blendiness.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, at least I had the dramatic yeah,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: break out of that level.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's okay, yeah, James. I mean it's it's traumatic,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: it's difficult, it's sad, and it causes you to question
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: your relationships with people and the question the sanity of people,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: because I mean, really, you know, people consider themselves objectivists,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: breaking from you because you see through Trump. Even if
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: they disagree with you a little bit about Trump, maybe
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: they think you're too much, too negative, I mean really
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: to block you, I would say, thank goodness, I mean
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: good will, and uh, to hell with them if if
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: if if they if they, if they think that much
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: of Trump, Uh, then I don't have anything to do
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: with him. So it's yeah, it's a sad world where
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: even the objectives movement is so small. Uh, and yet
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: people are people are you know, so divided about an
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: issue which I think is pretty clear. But even if
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: it's not quite as clear as I think it is,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be, as you know, kind of awful and and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: hateful as it as it is, uh being so yeah,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: I think being a little you know, I've I've broken
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: off with friends lots of times, so so this is
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: not new for me, over lots of issues over a
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: long period of time. Most of my friends of being objectivists,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: many of them did not remain objectivists. Uh. And I
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: don't think I've broken over Trump with anybody, but you know,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: because most of the people that I broke with over Trump,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I've already broken up with.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: So but.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you have to go on and you
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: have to try to find the best people, and you
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: have to find figure out who they are. And look,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: the most difficult thing I think in life, and I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: think I Invent discovered this the most, and Invent was
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: incredibly perceptive. The most difficult think in life is to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: judge people. Judging people is really really really hard figuring
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: out people.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: And sometimes more difficult than friends is family. So I've
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: had more problems within my family, I mean my parents
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: and that family since October seven than when I transition
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: from Marxism to whatever I transition. So yeah, that was
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: still today. It's very very difficult. We have an agreement
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: of silence that this is not we can never discuss it,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: never on the news because it's the all because otherwise
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: it was not cool. Yep, it was difficult.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean absolutely, I family I figured out earlier
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: than I did friends. So just because it became an
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: issue from day one, uh, Andrew. Other than on religion,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: is the Christian New Way ideologically opposed to democratic socialists.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: They are opposed in the same way that the khmyor
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Who's were opposed to the Vietnamese. It's a different tribe
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: over the same territory. So and and remember when they
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: asked Jay Devance a couple of years ago, and he
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: was unusually sincere. They asked him, who are the two
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: politicians who are the politicians from the other side who
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: you are mostly sympathetic to, And he said Bernie Sanders,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, Tulsigabard. So I wouldn't be surprised if they
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: have more in common with democratic socialism in essence than
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: with I don't know, the Camalahirics of this war.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you look at kind of policy issues,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: they probably disagree on welfare, and they agree on central
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: planning and and uh and and running the economy. But
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: they just you know, so protection and all that. But
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: you know, the new Right is probably less eager to
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: dramatically expand the welfare state, and the social Democrats want
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: to dramatically expand them. I think that's the main difference
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: between them. Richard, wonderful presentation. I well, remember the terrible
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: story of Cambodia. And you have told me much that
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't know, especially about the background. Thank you, Thank you, Richard.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: We both appreciate that. Andrew. Why is it that the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: idealism of objectivists always takes the of self sacrifice? The idea, sorry,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: of not objectivists, of collectivists just I can't read it.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: It I just, you know, I don't know what it is.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Why is it the idealism of collectivism always taken takes
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the form of self sacrifice.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: Because that's the automatic link they have with the term idealist.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: The good is to self sacrifice, and it's it's the
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: same for example, with fascists, it's one step further you
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: go after self sacrifice. If you don't self sacrifice, something
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: is you look for the opportunity to self sacrifice. So
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: it's it's not a mystery to me it's maybe a
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: missing something, but it's obvious. The ideally self sacrifice, or
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: if you want to be the ideal man, find a
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: way to self sacrifice. The Iramians also did it, So
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: every form of collectivism. Again, at some point we need
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: to talk about the Iram Iraq war. If you thought
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: today's story was crazy, way to hear about that.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, collectivism is self sacrifice. I mean, it's the
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: very notion that what matters is the group and you
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: don't matter, and your purpose in life is to sacrifice
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: the group. Now, self collectivism. If you're not idealistic, okay, well,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: part of the tribe and I do my thing for
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: the tribe, but I'm not gonna you know, I'm not
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: eager to shoot myself in the head for the tribe.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: But if you're an idealist, if you really, really, really
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: believe the tribe is it the group, is it whatever
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: the group happens to be, that this is what matters,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: My life doesn't matter. If you really take that seriously,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: then yeah, it's self sacrifice all over the place. So
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: all it is. Idealism is more consistent, that's all it is,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: all right. Richard anachronistic Atlas shrug casting. All right, God,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: what's going on with my.
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  Speaker 2: Mon I'm here for it. Hit me.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Number one Robert Duval as James Tagger. Yes, I can
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  Speaker 1: see yes, yeah, I can see that, and he's a
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  Speaker 1: good enough factor to pull it off.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, he would have to gain a bit of weight,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: but yes, excellent, excellent.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then second, mel Streep is Lilian weirded?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, but see reminds me a bit of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid our friend is influenced by that woman who
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: played the Lilian in that Unspeakable trilogy, So because I'm
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: so traumatized from that trilogy. But otherwise, yes, Merrily Streep,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: excellent choice, excellence.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, they'd have to be a lot younger, but yeah,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: all right, we're moving to our four and two and
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  Speaker 1: ten dollars questions In the God there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them, so short of answers because we are just
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• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, that is I'm in a galitarian with super Battle.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Tide right, Well, try because there are a lot of Okay, Michael,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: how many medical advances did we miss out on because
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: the gifted medical geniuses were hoodwinked into thinking personal gain
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: is bad. I don't think a lot I don't. I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: don't think that that many people. I'm reading this amazing
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: book right now, which is going to be the basis
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: my one of my Petison Academy courses. I'm reading this
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: book on on on on the history of venture capital,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: and one of the things you find there is you've
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: got all these idealistic some of them leftists, hippies from
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: the seventies, and and you know in in in Silicon
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Valley living in those areas as a scientist are really
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: really small and a scientists and everything, and somebody comes
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: and says, I can make you a multi gazillionaire, and
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: they all sign up, and they work hard, and they
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: they work on believably hard. I mean, think about most
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: of the companies, most of the companies that we know
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: today were created by people who philosophically and and so on.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: You when it comes to, you know, the reason this
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: country still tugs along is when it comes to when
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road, these people a love what
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: they do. They get excited about progress, and they love
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: making a lot of money. They love making a lot
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: of money. And uh and yeah, so I don't think
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: many people, at least past generations. Maybe it's different today,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: maybe it's gotten worse today, But I don't believe the
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: past generations of scientists and doctors and engineers are so
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: brainwashed they hate the profit motive that they that they
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: don't want it for themselves.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest problem here is there's not enough
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: cultural and political demand for breakthroughs in medicine. It's not
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: that the individual are not who do not want to
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: have these results. It's not that we don't press enough
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: the politicians to make all this you know, less regulated
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: and there's no cultural demand for it.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think. I think the barriers all regulatory. The
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: FDA is the barrier. It's not the attitude of the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: of the scientists. And I think the even the even
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of the demand for it is changing, right.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I think the the elevation of longevity and stuff like
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: that and people more talking about it is creating more
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: and more demand. But we still have the FDA, we
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: still have the regulatory state, we still have all the
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: barriers to it. But I'm telling you this this book.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I'll advertise it on a different show because I can't
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: find it. I don't have an in front of me.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: It's just amazing. I just read about the story of Genantech,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: the first real biotech company to go public, and how
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: it succeeded and and what it took to make it
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: a success. It's inspiring the work the venture capitalists do.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: These are true heroes, and of course all the scientists
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: entrepreneurs Okay, Hapa Campbell Niko's thoughts on Connor McGregor and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: his career. Was he an egoist?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: So first of all, the fact that he had to
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: fight and no one cared this shows that his career
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: was already is already over. With Cornor, there are two
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: different periods, the period before the Cabib fight where it's
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: a rocky story, and the period from the cup Bib
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: fight and after, where he's a completely different person. I
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: don't know what, there isn't where, but after Kabib definitely
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: not an egoist. He completely lost his focus, he lost
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: his mind. Also, keep in mind that with these people,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: with such so many you can really know what's truly
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: inside them, so particularly someone who puts such of a
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: saw and a face to the world. So these days
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: definitely not back in the day. I'm not sure, but
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: he looked like a proper egoist in a good way.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to tell if you don't know a
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: person pretty well, if they are egoists, or if there narcissist,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: or what is actually driving them. It's very hard to tell. Richard,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: I respectfully disagree with nicos on Matthew mcconniey as Eldes Wyret.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: How about Russell Crowe. He can do any accent and
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: can express the rage needed for the role.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: You don't need any accent. He has his. He has
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: his accent already. Think about him with the with the
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: blue jeans as he's in Superstellar. He Interstellar, he is,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: he's he's wired. You don't need to do anything. Same
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: haircut said that, he said he's wired.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: I guess he's he's saying he's too calm. He doesn't
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: have that.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: It's very calm. He loses his column in one moment,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: and definitely Matthew mahoney has this one moment to throw,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: to throw the thing on the wall, and when he
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: gets in the office, I can see him being like, Hey,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: you know, don't screw me. You're gonna be in trouble.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: He doesn't need to get too angry. You can see
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: that he's angry by his whole demeanor. He doesn't need
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: to put on a show.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Guys, don't get too angry about this because none of
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: these choices are actually in a manifest in reality, because
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: they're all getting too old anyway, And who knows who
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: make castle shocked? Tia Nikos, what did you have? What
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: did you think of egypt scheam behavior?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: As Morimo said, if I speak, I'm in big trouble.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: I will be accused of stereotyping. But it was it
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: was very bad behavior. I can understand the pain. I'll
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  Speaker 2: just say this, I'll understand the pain. They played very good.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: They were the better team for seventy minutes at least,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: and it sucks when you lose in that way. And
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: the first thing is, you know, you can't figure out
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: what happened. I would expect they should. I don't know
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: what they did in social media to say, hey, you know,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: we put Argentina deserved to go through at the end.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: We were unlucky, but particularly that coaches with all this,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: with all this stuff that was ridiculous and again playing
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: to all the stereotypes. It's oh, we started the three Wars,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: but it's never our mistake. It's someone else is the
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: reason for our for our misbehaviors. But they were the
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: better team for seventy seventy minutes. They were They were
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: very good.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Time. During the nineteen nineties North Korean famine, Kim John
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Ill reportedly saw some deaths as removing the disloyal. Did
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Popad think the same, Oh, definitely, I mean the disloyal,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: the the people didn't fit into the new man, into
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: the into this new Cambodia.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: First of all, Paul pot personally directed some perthes, so
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think he knew what was
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: happening in the counterside, but he didn't care. Remember one
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: of their mottos, we didn't mention it, to kill you
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: is no gain. Sorry to kill use no laws to
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: keep you no gain. This was an official motto and
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: this is how they operated. By the way North Korea
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: farming in the nineties. I'm very glad you mentioned it.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Who saved the rezim again the West. If the West
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: had not saved the North Koreans the nineties, I don't
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: think today there would be a North Korean Razim.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, How did the West react? Did they send
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: much aid to Cambodia.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: There was zero contact with what was happening in Cabody.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: They sent aid after and Cabody, as we saw with
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: Angelina Joli, became kind of a humanitarian poster. But during
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: all that, there was no there was no access, guys,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: there was no post service, like you could not you
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: could not take a flight and go to Cambodia. There
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: were no embassies, there was nothing.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: I'll say, you know, I visited Cambodia, I know, ten
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: years ago. I can't hear exactly when, but maybe it's longer,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: maybe it's twenty years ago. But I had a great time.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, the people were amazing, and it's the temples
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: there in the jungle, it's it's pretty, it's pretty extraordinary.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: And we got but we got to we got to
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: get drive out into the countryside call it and see
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: some of the poverty. I mean, this is twenty years ago.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: So this is twenty years after or thirty years after
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: the coming. I've never seen poverty like that in my life.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: And I've as you know, I've been to many many
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: countries and been to a lot of different places, and
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: I don't mind going into unpleasant neighborhoods and unpleasant places.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: I've never ever seen people as poor as as the Cambodians.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: So in the people living with no electricity and no water,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: living in flood zones. So they they have they have
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: their homes up high on these wooden sticks, so when
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: the water rises, you know, they can still stay above water.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: They ran their refrigerators and televisions on car batteries, and
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: there was literally a service. They would go around collect
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: the car batteries, charge them and bring them back and
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: that was that was kind of their electric service. Yeah,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: I mean it was, it was. It was truly, it
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: was truly horrific.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: In the seventies, some of the farmers who then went
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: to the town to occupy it, there were reports they
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: didn't know what is a chair, They didn't know how
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: to see. They've never saw a chair in their like
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: a chair was high technology for them.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I saw now in the this is in the
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies a bed bedouin Arabs, you know from the
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: nomad tribes, getting on a bus and not knowing how
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: to sit in the chair, climbing and trying to figure
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: out how to get in because they'd never seen a
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: check they'd never they never sat in a check so
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: and their stories. When they first gave them houses to
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: move them into permanent housing, they didn't know what a
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: toilet was. They couldn't understand what it was used for anyway,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: it yeah.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: It's alegedly. I've seen such things also in the army
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: where some people from the mountains in the twenty first
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: century we couldn't tell the sours from their toilets.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Tim Vietnam later invaded Cambodia. Do you see
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: them as heroes for ending pop part and quickly performing
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: the economy after communism?
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: First of all, they didn't particularly form their economy, or
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: at least not for some time. Remember, Vietnam did not
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: attack for humanitarian regions, having said that by default it
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: was a humanitarian intervention if there ever was on just
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: by default. But I mean, even the worst country in
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: the world would be better than the rus And Vietnam
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: was already in the process of re examining a bit
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: its place in the world. Within ten years, they became
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: practically something close to an ally to the West. Within
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: twenty years.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: So in the nineties, Vietnam starts turning and allowing for
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: some private property and allowing for private businesses taking a
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: China vow. So China turns seventy eight, it takes another
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: fifteen years or so for Vietnam to turn. So when
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: they were coming into Cambodia, they were still communists, so
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: they're not going to form the economy. But at least
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: they got rid of the most extreme, you know, and
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: the crazy and the murderers. You know, they closed down
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: to prison day. They love people back into the cities.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: The Vietnam has never been this fanatical. Nichols, were you
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: ever a fair of Richard wolf tmsks, the leftist, Yeah,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: Marxist professor.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: All No, because when I was a Marxist, I didn't
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: consider him a proper Marxist. So it's when I was
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: a Marxist he was a social democrat to me, and
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: then when I was on the other side, he was
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: too much of the leftist for me. So interestingly, no. Also,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: he's a horrible, horrible, horrible, dishonest person. There was a
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: debate I think with the actually of all people, yes,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: where he claimed that the lockdowns were due to capitalism.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: So that tells you all you need to know.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: All right, Thank fifty dollars, Thank you, Frank's been a
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: delay at the World Cup. Many great games, but old
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: habits of childish behavior from soccer players. The Swiss red
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: card was unjust and a problem for the Wolves. Yeah,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: that was a weird call. I don't know if you see.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: I had even a tweet about it. It was one
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: hundred percent the right call, but it felt, it felt,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: it felt so unjust that again, in my haze of
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: non sleep, I was disappointed and I had sympathy for Sweden,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: for Switzerland if you think about it, not only it
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: was the proper call, any other call by the referee
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: would be completely adjust We can explain it. It's and
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: it was very bad luck for Switzerland. If that referee
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: hadn't sown the yellow card to the Argentinian player, the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: var wouldn't have the right to call him on. The
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: mistakes of life would just have gone on. So it
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: all started from this very strict yellow card he's own
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: to the Argentinian player that he started or this thing.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: But again I can understand why the Swiss feel absolutely
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: heartbroken about that, because they totally had momentum and it
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: was way more possible they would score a second rather
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: than Argentina would score.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: All right, let me see somebody nature observer. Thank you
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: for the stick. I appreciate it. Thank you, Frank Matt.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: Learning about the role of universities and how corrupted they've
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: been for the last century has been a huge help
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: in understanding how the world works. Absolutely, Matt. I mean,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: that's the origin, that is the origin of all the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: craziness in our world, the.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: Evil having worked sixteen years in them. It's worse than
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: you think.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Alexis Alexis is. Does fans owe Cambodia an apology? Alexis
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: a You're going to represent fans and make the apology
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: on their behalf.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Ran, So can apology?
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: I guess the colonialism Well.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: France left at fifty four and the madness started culminated
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: seventy five to seventy eight. So this is a whole
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: discussion about colonialist when we're going to have it at
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: some point.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure Cambodia was better by a long
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: shot under the French than it was under the Cambodians,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: and sunny than it was under the Camerouge.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe, except if our friend means whether they own apology
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: for inviting the Cambodian youth, the elite of the youth
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: and training them as Marxist. But that was not their
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: that was not their goal. But hope that they would
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: make them colonial friendly.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: But that that is that the French owe an apology
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: to the universe from so on. You know, they get
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of credit for the Enlightenment, for Voltaire and
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: de Dreux and those guys. But and the encyclopedia and
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: all that. But Russo uh and uh and then and
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: come to coins the term altruism, and you can go
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: on and on and on, say Alexis, but maybe you
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: can represent the French in the ceremony where the French
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: apologize to the Western world for having second the second
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: worst intellectuals in the world. They've still got you know,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: they've got a way to go before they reach they
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: catch up to Germany. Yeah, pretty bad, all right. Richard
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: Trump said the red card was unfair for keeping a
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: player out of a game he hasn't played. Does the
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: red card punishment fit the crime?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: I think I think there's a good possibility that Trump,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: who cannot tell a football from the water melon, I
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: think it's a very good chance he thought that this
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: means that in the next game, USA play literally with
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: ten men. So I don't don't rule this out. Whatever
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Trump says about football, you should give it as much
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: gravity as if I talk about badminton.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yes, and and and the whole idea that
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: Trump called up the head of the FIFA is just
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: it's just horrific.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: It's banner. But people, this is this is why football
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: is beautiful, because it's unpredictable and everything can turn in
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: one second. This is part of the charm. Even of
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: the red card. You can have a game and there
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: can be in a red card in the fifth minute.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: The game now is a completely different game, and this
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: creates its own stories.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: Yep, TM, Nicole, that's the same question you already asked
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: that Tim. Another question, did other Communist leaders think pop
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: part went too far? Was he more of an egalitarian
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: than a Marxist or did they see him as both.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: Well. Bresny have thought that the Core missed their sorry,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: the Chinese and their allies gone too far. This is
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: why he was selling to Nixon the idea that we
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: are Westerns and Europeans and were civilized as opposed to
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: these Asians. Other leaders know, for example, Fidel Castro has
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: been friends with the worst regimes, including North Korea, and
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: in the last months of the regime, Nikolai Saucesku, the
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: communist leader of Romania, actually visited the Cambodia so they
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: have they also have blood on their hands. They have
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: blood on their hands.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, Christopher, thank you for the sticker, Richard
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: said for the shows goal, thank you, Richid, thank you.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: Gold not gold but cool go. Yeah. Time wasn't Popart
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: an advocate of industry.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: If he was, he he did too well well in theory.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: In theory, the idea was that in twenty years we're
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: going to have a bigger industry in the Soviet Union.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: In practice they didn't even have utensives. I don't know
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: what it's Again, the poverty stories from within the resum
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: are absolutely are absolutely crazy. The nets for the mosquitoes
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: was a luxury, like you have a tesla today.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: When were the land mines late? I mean there's a
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: ghost story in Cambodia about the place is filled with
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: land mines.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: Well throughout all the wars for different reasons they were
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: they were land mines. Yeah, this is and this was
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: part as of Angelina July say humanitarian work.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you go to Cambodia, you see
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of people with with lost limbs from the
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: land mines. And when you're in the jungle there, like
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: visiting the temples, there areas that are sealed off because
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: a few of land mines. So the tourists are wound
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: about it. Time Vietnamese support capitalism, Now, wow, come on, guys,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: that's just not true. Capitalism is something they don't even know.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: It's an unknown idea. Remember that they don't know what
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: capitalism is. They support a market economy. Very few people,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: very few of them reject the authoritarian nature of the
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: government that oversees them. I mean ninety no country supports capitalism,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: certainly in our capitalism as we understand it, but even
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: moving in that direction. So yeah, Vietnam wants they want
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: to be able to get rich, but still have a
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: dictator oversee everything that happens.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I saw a research sport some years ago. There are more.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: The pro American statement is bigger in Vietnam than in Greece.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: For example. They're very poor American, which is interesting given
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: the war. Ryan says, thanks guys, love these shows excellent.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks Ryan, time, did you ever watch Pott's final TV interview.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but again he doesn't say. He it's denial, denial, denial, denial,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: he he, that's what rationalization does to your invasion. It's basically,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. What makes you believe that I
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: have to apologize or something? Basically a national liberation hero.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: He says. Time says, did Popot live in luxury during
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: his rule?
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely no, compared to the people who were living
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: under the stars. Yes, but again, luxury was you live
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: in a house that looks something happened, you have a
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: mosquito net.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: Tim says, did I end comment and pop Pot during
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: the kame wooe the came wool?
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: No, Again, there was not much information back then, and
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: particularly for him generation, most of these counters were in China.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's counted in Vietnam because America is directly involved,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: and it was in the news, and it was it
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: was current and making kids who go in there, it
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: was relevant to the demonstrations and campuses.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: What was happening in Cambodia was not I think in
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: any significant way. And her wad on she would have said, yeah,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: I told you so, I mean she would have I
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: don't think it would have surprised one bit.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: Time.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: Did Cambodia have rule markets before pop part I know
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: what you mean by rual markets, but.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: They had They had currency, and the farmers could sell
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: to whomever they want, and right often they were selling
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: to the Vietnamese actually, and this is why from day
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: one again they banned their money so that you couldn't
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: trade with anyone. There was just a barter economy between
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: communes on a very primitive level, but without money, so
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: there was not even a black market. Did you think
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: about it as opposed to Soviet Union another socialist coountars
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: where the black market thrived.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: Where the riots against authorities in the communes. Watch the
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: movie I recommended.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: And you don't understand what type of reason we're talking
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: about having your own thoughts. You felt guilty and you
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: felt but yeah, there were again there were fifth domes,
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: different things happening in different places. But the guards had
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: a rule of life and death over you. And again
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: there were no authorities, no courts, so it was the
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: easiest thing.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: And people tried to steal a little bit more food,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: they got shot, you know, standing after the authorities they
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: were shot. There was just that option just didn't exist.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: And again because they were proper altruists. If the authorities
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: were caught doing something worse, they had the worst punishments
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: than anyone else. Sometimes it would literally burn them alife.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Even says well played in good luck. Further to England, however,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: felt like the best team lost and that there was
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: decisions that did not particularly go in no Way's favor.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the first goal by England is is questionable
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: because I led the ball hit the camera, but again
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: I was in such.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: A it was they checked afterwards and it didn't.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, anyway, I don't think Norway was the
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: best team, at least while I was awake enough to
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: understand what I was seeing. And again England's it's not
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: easy to play better than England. They can control the
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: game very easily and they can neutralize the opponent.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I played really well, No, we played very well.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, and that's chance where the Orlo could
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: have passed to Halland you're gonna remember this for years.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: I still remember chance. Greece lost in twenty fourteen. It
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: was something similar.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: It's still there, Daniel, What advice would you give to
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: your forty year old self?
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: God, forty year old self was three years ago, so
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: probably two years ago. It was probably this is for you.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. This is not a kind of question.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: This is not the kind of thing I ponder. What
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: was I doing for the years? Oh yeah, I mean,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would you know, trust some people less
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: than you did? I don't know. But that was the
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: first year time an institute. It was exciting, it was fun.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know that i'd give I do anything different.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean, I wish I had
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: the knowledge I had today when I was forty, but
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: that's always true. But I don't know what I would
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: have done much differently if I had this knowledge, would
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: have been a better.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Specta I suggest something, What did you have done differently?
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: Hire someone to follow you in every single talk with
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: a camera and editing and behind the scenes and all.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: I imagine the content with how much more content would have.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: My problem is not shortage of content. God, we have
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: so much content. Maybe we don't have behind the scenes content,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: but we have so much content. You know, many thousands
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: of videos that are up online of me, just me,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, never mind everything else and everybody else. It's crazy.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: Where are they always? Where? Are the millions of fans.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, alexis we will need
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: a picture of you on with this haircut in the eighties. Yeah,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is what worries me about this documentary
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: film that Nikos is talking about. They're gonna want childhood
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: photos or photos will be in the eighties. I hope not.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, we are going to visit Yarom say childhood
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: the house, I mean if.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: We can, if you want, you're going to film inside
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: or just outside.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna let us in, but
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: definitely outside.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. It looks much nicer now than it did in
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties. It's been gentry, right, Uh all right? Uh?
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Shasbad boat in the movie of the same name ask
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: some ladies where the bathroom was in their house. He
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: later returned holding a bag of his waist, asking what
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: he should do with it. I always thought that was
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: an exaggeration. No, it's actually not an exaggeration. It's actually
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: quite accurate for certain cultures, even in the twentieth twenty
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: first century time. Why did Mao not ever invade Hong Kong?
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: That's an excellent question. Why didn't he not invade Taiwan
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: for exactly. First of all, Hong Kong, it would be
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: a war with a beat. The question is why did
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: he never invade Taiwan. If we ever do have a maw,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: we can't discuss it the short term series. It's not
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: that easy.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: And Taiwan is not that easy. And Hong Kong, he
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: did not want to upset the British. I mean, the
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: British were powerful. He was very weak. I mean China
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: was poor. It had a lot of people, but it
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: was poor. So he did not want a confrontation with
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: the West.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: And all the time, Mao had internal crisis and he
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: would not trust a military defeat. A military defeat could
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: cost him his head, or that's what he thought.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: I mean. The only military action that was taken was
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: that war was Vietnam, and that was seventy eight. I
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: think that was already a dang that was not Mao.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: Mao had already already died. The last serious combat was Korea.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: Yep and the mouth. Yeah, Daniel, can you provide a
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: reading list for this episode?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? When the war was over.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you send me a list of books? And
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: I put it up on the thing.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but keep in mind there is
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: no state of the arts on Cambodia, but I'm going
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: to give a couple of good suggestions.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing how it's hard to find information about
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: what happened, as compared to other even communist regimes, where
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: there's lots of scholarship, there's very little here. Neo says,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: including include the research and sources used in the description
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: so we can look them up instead of trying to
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: find the numb.
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  Speaker 2: You're perfectly right, guys, you're perfectly right. I'm gonna put
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  Speaker 2: it as a comment under the video. Next time I
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: will have given it to your own before the show.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, okay, uh enerick for information. The payment images
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: on your own book show for London Doc don't have
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: links in Patreon. I mean people have used them. We've
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: raised a lot of money through there, so I'm not
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: sure which links you're talking about, but some of them subtly.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: So if you if you click on the link in
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: the that is in the in the chat, then scoll down.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: Don't click on the poster. There's a poster. The posters
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't have links. Scroll down at the bottom of that page.
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  Speaker 1: It's a support the film project VI PayPal support the
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: film project by Stripe and there are links there and
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: those links do work. I just clicked on them and
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: they work.
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  Speaker 2: And for references people, anyone who's in patron d me,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: anyone who's on Twitter, let me know. I'm happy to
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: give you sources, even for past episodes. I can't believe
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: we haven't thought of it.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, obviously, Jacob. The more I learn of the twentieth century,
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: the more I learned how sanction of the victim drives it.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: USSR China kamerous A. Past past centuries the same, well,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I mean the difference in the past centuries were there
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: were very few good guys, so or there were peasants,
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: there were people who didn't know anything, and then there
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: were authorities and that's it. So it's only since the Enlightenment,
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: and really since the industry revolution that we have good guys,
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: that we have somebody who can provide a sanction, who
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: has the you know, the ability. So the atrocities that
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: the church committed throughout its history, who are the good
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: guys who are giving them sanction? I mean, I guess
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: any thinking adult who went along with the church because
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't challenge them. So in that sense, it's always
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: been around, but they weren't any countries. They wan't any
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: political entities or organized groups of people who are better. Sadly, Philip,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: what's the role of Buddhism in all this? What's your
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: view of Western people who embrace Buddhism nowadays?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know the second part. The first part is
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: the role of Buddhism is very, very weird. And some
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: others had trained the Buddhist monasteries, so they got some
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: of the stoics is that's not a better good world,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: But get what I mean, the discipline, the self denial,
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: they got it from there. Buddhism merely on was a
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: source of national resistance pride in the same way that
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: Orthodox Christianity was during the Ottoman Empire, for example. But
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: later the Buddhists were and there were some Buddhists who
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: became communists weird, but later the Buddhists were very brutally
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: suppressed when the Khmerus came to power.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. In terms of my view of Western people who
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: in based Buddhism, I mean, of all the religions they choose,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: I guess Buddhism is one of the less less offensive.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: They're not particularly violent or anything like that. But it's
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: a kapa, it's it's it's a it's an escape from reality.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: But if you escape in Christianity, I get why Buddhism
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: has some attraction.
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  Speaker 2: I'm laughing because there was a period where I had
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: idolized Roberto Badio so much he was a Buddhist. So
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: for some months in my printing year, I declared myself
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: a Buddhist and I was reading some Buddhist books and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Nichos has done everything. He's done everything. I uh molten
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: Splendor Well. The London documentary addressed the problems and the
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: Muslim neighborhoods in London.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Probably no, because we want our lives. We're not going
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: if you give us enough money to have maybe seals
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: following us around, we can't do it.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: Well, we can film and then overlay uh speech afterwards,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: but generally, I mean that would be a fourth documentary.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: The documentaries were planning overwhelmingly positive, a plan to be
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly positive about capitalism but its success, about Western civilization,
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: about art. So we're trying to do a positive series.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: We're not trying to do this is London and and
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: this is the state of London. If we did that,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: we'd have to do the Muslim neighborhoods. Maybe that's another
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: project to do. I don't mind going into Muslim neighborhoods,
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: but you know, just a film. But you know, yeah,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: security probably makes sense and it would be a different documentary.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: And I think what we're planning right now.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: By the way, my dream documentary, if we have loads
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: of money, is one week following Yarn in a speaking tour,
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: starting from his home Puerto Rico airports, going to the
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: venue behind the scenes, Yarn on stage. That's the big
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: dream for the documentary for a future if we have them.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: And let me just say, if anybody wants to fund
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: that documentary, the time is running out at some point.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: Van's not going to be doing that, right. I mean,
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: I'm getting old. The flying the every day a different
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: country is getting harder and harder for me. So speed
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: it up. If anybody wants to fund that documentary, let
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: us know and we can calculate what it would cut us.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: But I don't see the value in it as much
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: as Nicos does. So, but Nicos has actually traveled with
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: me for it's going to be for the age. Nikos
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: has actually traveled with me. He's seen me in action planes,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and Nicos likes to be at there for
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: three hours before. I like to be there forty minutes before,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: so you know, all those kind of conflicts that we had.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, we've traveled. He's seen me drive through Europe.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: He thought it was not a bad experience, and then
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: It was a PhD in public speaking, a PhD in
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: five days. It's yeah, that's why I'm telling you. There's
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of value in that way. Anyone, anyone who
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: has eyes and who is jurious and interested in the
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: things that we are interested in. Yep.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, if anybody wants to fund it, I have
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: no problem of having somebody following me around. Andrew the
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: message of goal to society wasn't I'm better than you?
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: That's true. His message was to that part of society
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: obstructing him, get the hell out of my way. Yes,
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. So there's no I'm better than you
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: anywhere in Atlas Shrugged expressed in that way, right, expressed
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: in in in that kind of style thought, criminal inequality
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: is freedom. It's not the way around. Really, I mean
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: you got to be careful because we're full equality politically, right,
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: you know, all men created equals the beginning of the
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: declaration of independence, So it's freedom leads to inequality. And
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: but the lots of any unequal societies that are unfree.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: So inequality is not the cause of relationship. The cause
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: is freedom is the cause, but it's not the only cause.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: There are other causes of inequality as well.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: Sina is massively unequal today, yes, yes.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: And and but you can even think of well, South
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: Africa and that apartheid was very unequal. Yeah, but they
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: had apartheid. So okay, A m is there such a
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: thing as secular liberal apostates. It seems like ian hersy
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: Ali becoming Christian puts some objectivist on a jihad against Christianity.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: You mean me my giad against Christianity. No, I mean
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. Yes, she did put me on
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: a jihad against Christianity, a giad. I've really had my
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: entire you know, my entire intellectual life. I've never been
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: I've always been an anti Christian. But yes, what her
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: conversion to Christianity indicates is that that is a cultural phenomena.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: It's not some nobody converting to Christianity. It's not a sideline,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: it's not this is significant when somebody like her, and
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: it's not only her, there are a bunch of people
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: doing this. Then you got to pay attention and you've
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: got to say, Okay, maybe this is an enemy and
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: this is something we need to deal with. And I
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: consider it a failure, failure of objectivism, of not objectivism
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: as an ideology of objectivists, that we didn't get to
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: I in her sole before the Christians. Although she did
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: read iment right, and I did have a conversation with her,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: and she did read iment, and she did know we existed,
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: and she did all that, but she rejected it. She
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: read David Hume and she embraced skepticism as a as
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: a secular ideology. And you can see how skepticism will
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: lead you to religion. So anyway, Uh, if you think
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm on a jihad against Christianity, You're absolutely right, you know,
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: minus the violence, no suicide bombings coming from your on book,
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: but passion. Yes, Gail says Iman warned. The most ominous
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: sign society is in near collapses censorship. Yeah, I mean
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: freedom speech is the one that we need to fight
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: the strongest, because censorship is the beginning of the end
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: beway Europe, because Europeans have tons of senses.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: I was about it. Yeah, that's very relevant for Yeah,
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: and and not don't use it when it's to our advantage.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: These days increased there's a lot of people say we
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: should use the anti racist legislation to persecute at the
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: same mites, I say, no, let's have some.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: Princes disaster.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: Time.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Isram Danny a smart political operative? His volunteers knocked on
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: a million dollars. Why won't he simply call himself a
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: social democrat? Yeah, he's a very smart political act. You know,
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: he knows how to play the game. He knows and
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: he knows what the people who vote for him want.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: He knows what those young, you know, middle class, upper
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: middle class young professionals want, and he gives them what
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: they want. And and he's very attuned to them. And
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: if he thought calling himself a social democrat would mini
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: more votes, he called himself. But it's obvious that's what
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: he is. He doesn't need to say it, but it's is.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: He's a smart operator. If you want to see how
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: politicians operate.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: And whatever he does, it works.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well fail. How can one prepare for watching Messi's
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: last game at this level? I think I'm not ready,
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: he says. I think I'm not ready for this?
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: And why not ready? There?
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: What are your predictions against England? Is it more than
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: a football game?
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: No, it's only a football game. The only reason we
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: thought that these are more of a football game is
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: because with two generations fell victim to this most charismatic
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: devil in history, Diego or Mado Maradona persuade. He does
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: that the Argentinians were on the right side on the
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: Falklands ward. But you know, what can you tell about
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: Maradonna Messi's last game on that level? It's difficult. This
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: is why I'm saying, Look, twenty twenty two happened, He's
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: won the World Cup. Let's all breathe, let's relax. My
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: prediction is if Argentina is as bad as it's been
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: in the last games, they're gonna pay it. Because England
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: is one level above the other two teams. I hope
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have one good game in their bag, so
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: hopefully it's gonna be the semi final, the biggest hard.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: I prefer Argentina to lose to England in the semifinal
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: rather than to France in the final.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, yeah, we want anybody to win,
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: but Friends, even though they're the best team in the
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: world objectively.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember the nineteen ninety final, which
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: was Yeah, I remember Diego trying crying at the end. Yeah,
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: that was handed.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: A right time. Czechoslovakia was by the way, I felt
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: we should talk about me coming to Lisbon soon. Czechoslovakia
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: was as rich as Western Europe before World War Two.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: Did the Czechs feel socialism made them poor and she
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: gains after eighty nine?
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: First of all, Slovakia was one of the countries where
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: the population was most hostile to socialism, and this is
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: why it gave us Dupchech, a communist leader who was
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: much better than anyone else. This is why the Soviets
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: kicked him out. But even after Dupchech, the idea so
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: Slovakia was that, okay, here we keep it a bit
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: relatively low key communists, because we're not gonna fall for that.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: So there was horrible repression in the first years. Quickly
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: the national identity and sense of life, let's say if
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: Chechoslovakia didn't allow comunies to be as bad as it
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: was in other countries.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: And still they relative to the West. They were poor
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: in the Bilin warfare came down and they have done
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: very well since, so they're they're one of the best
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: performing Eastern European economies post Soviet Union. They've done quite well.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: Prague is an amazing city. Highly recommend visiting.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: I have store family stories from Slovakia and communists because
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: my communist uncle after the Greek Civil War, he found
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: refuge in Cvoslovakia and he was a communist till the
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: last day of that country.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: So we have we have this in common. We both
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: had communist uncles. My communist uncles sat in jail in
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: South Africa for fighting apartheid and then joined the British
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: Communist Party. When he was in England, he led I
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: think the Doctors' Union. He was a physician, and then
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: married a Portuguese aristocrat and abandoned his Communism.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: Somehow, every time a year that story gets five.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: I still they have a beautiful suppose to yet an
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: amazing home in Lisbon, which I should probably visit. My
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: he passed away, but my aunt is still he's still
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: alife his wife. Time Denmark center left took tough steps
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: on Islamism and support I thought, I was sure this
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: is a soker. This is a football question, right e
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: set left Islamism? What's he talking about?
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 5: They's got a goal against Islamist Denmark Senta left took
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 5: tough steps on Islamism and support for the far White
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 5: collapse because you you support those policies.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I told you in Europe the situation is really
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: bad and I've I had at some point the five
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: things that every European country should do. You retweeted me
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: with the quote tweet I've been saying these things for ages.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: So I think we're all on the same page here
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: that yes, Islam is a threat to Europe. So there
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: are specific things that need to be done which do
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: not go against the rule of law. They don't go
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: against even the right to immigration.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: Time is a huge problem, existential.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: It's a huge vobble. Uh Time, Why choose London?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: Those are guys in London. London is very beautiful and
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: Yarn has very important links to London and it's his
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: favorite city.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: I love London and uh and I'm in Europe so
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: it's close. If I was coming from the US, that
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: would be that would be tough. That would be we
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: would have to be raising a lot more money. But
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: I'm coming. I'm just coming in from from Barcelona. So oh,
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: I think Barcelona so won't be too bad. Actually from France.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: Why did time says, why did communists Poland and Cuba
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: allow Christians? I think as they didn't have a choice,
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: because you know, the Christians were there and and they
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: weren't going to kill their entire populations.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: Story from my mother. Poland First of May, sometime in
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: the early eighties, there is a workers parade, but First
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: May is also east, so on the one road there's
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: the workers parade. On the other there's the Catholic parade
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: where they they have the cross and whatever. The Catholic
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: parade was bigger than the First of May parade.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's going to hold Poland back time.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: My friend says, Tito provided proved socialism worked. We should
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: do a show on Tito, because I don't you don't.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows much about this is Yugoslavia, guys.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked in producing the best basketball team and
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: football team. Look Tito allowed some form of something like
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: a market, and that's the only reason it worked. It's
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: not socialism that worked, it's the opposite. It is to
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: the degree that they went away from socialism. Yugoslavia worked, quote.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: Work and yeah, and it's not like Yugoslavio's rich. It's
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: not like Yugoslavi did well. Yuslavish dirt pours computer Western Germany,
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: your fans, Italy or any of these places. So worked
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: in that he didn't kill twenty percent of the population,
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: worked in that he didn't improverish them even more than
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  Speaker 1: I mean. It's such garbage.
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  Speaker 2: Have I had an anti which had the Yugo car Yugo,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the yugosastava, the world's cars in the history
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: of humanity. At some points he was closing it with
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: a padlock because he could not fix the door, so
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: she put the padlocks so that the door would close.
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  Speaker 1: I kneel.
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  Speaker 2: Any objectivists can claim that they've been in a Hyugo's astava.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, Neo guys, please with MESSI walking statistics.
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  Speaker 1: He will play the next World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: No, he shouldn't play the next World Cup because it's
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: been such an emotional experience this World Cup, which is
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: proper for his legend, for this to be his last
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: World Cup. Of course, I said the same in Qatar,
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  Speaker 2: but we cannot expect anything more than that. What he's
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: doing already is beyond.
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  Speaker 1: It and you can already so you can see his
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: age already. I mean, he doesn't have quite the firepower
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: in his kick and you can see it in four
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  Speaker 1: more years. No, please, Messy, don't do it.
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  Speaker 2: And people, let's be honest. Argentina plays basically fifty percent
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: of the game with ten men. But that's okay, it's messy.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: We can cut him all the slack in the world.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: This is a big question, Okay. Thoughts on yeltsin what
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: happened to Russia in the nineties, That is a show
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: that that cannot be answered quickly. We'll do a show
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: on that because it is an interesting What happened in
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: Russia in the nineties is actually really interesting and it
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: explains what's happening right now in Russia. But it also
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: just leave it at shows the corruption of American intellectuals
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: because what happened in Russia in the nineties to large extent,
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: was guided by Jeffy Sachs who is today pro Russia
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: and was at the time a public professor. But anyway,
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: we'll get to that, Raphel. If we organize a speaking
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: event for you in Lisbon this summer, would Nikos come
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: as well? Are you making this contingent? Is this if
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: you pay them? I'm sure I'll come.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: If you pay me, obviously i'll come. Is this a question?
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: Obviously? So if Rufel, if you managed to round up
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: the money to pay Nicos, he will come as well.
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: So you could talk to Nicos directly about how much
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: that involves.
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  Speaker 2: Given one of my best talks ever in Lisbon. So
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: it's because Greece warned the euro there. Whenever I go
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: to Lisbon, I feel this way that I have to overperform.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: So it's going to be a good talk there.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 1: You gofl You've got You're motivated. I think we're gonna
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: make this the last question. Stephen, Yes, thank you for
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: the question. Steven yesterday asked about pipeline to your show.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: I went from listening to I asked about how people
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: found the show. I went from listening to Rush to
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: reading ein Rand to joining the Projector's Club at USC.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: I met you when we did an event with Daniel
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: Pipes whoa with the Danish cartoons twenty two thousand and
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: six seven. Remember that, Yeah, of course I remember that.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: There were demonstrators. It was a huge event. There were
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: people outside. That was a great event. Yeah, cool. Thank you.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: I appreciate when you guys send me your journeys. I
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: really appreciate that. It's great to see the literated history Alexis.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: As a French, I can confirm the French will become
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: even more insufferable than usual if they win the World Cup.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: And that says a lot.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: So let's be honest again we joke about France. They
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 2: are the most dominant and scary team I've seen in
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: my life in a World Cup. None of the Brazil
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: teams of the nineties or the two thousands that are overhyped,
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: none of these teams compares is as scary as this
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 2: front team. I don't know if they will win, but
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: they're the scariest, most dominant team I've ever seen in.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: A world They dominate every aspect of the game, you know, defense,
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: middle of the field, and they've got a front four
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: that a is just amazing.
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: So and I'm worried that because pain, because I'm with Spain.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm worried, because Spain is so much focused
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: in controlling the ball and controlling the tempo. This is
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: gonna be even better for France to have more space
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: for counter attacks. But I'm sure Spain is as we speak,
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: coming up with a plan on this. I hope, all right.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: Neil says, is colonization and aspect of Western civilization.
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: Historically, yes, But in every every ear of humanity, the
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: most developed societies get into endeavors that looks something like
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: colonization or they're actually colonization.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: And it really depends on how you define Western civilization.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: It's not unnecessary, it's only unnecessary for Western civilization. And
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: I would say to some extent it actually had a
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: negative impact on the growth of civilization, so it might
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 1: have been a retard retarding of Western civilization, not an
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: addition to But that's for the show on colonialism, which
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 1: we will do. I read what's his names book, Neil Ferguson, Yeah,
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 1: and it was not good.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: Neil Ferguson is every time. Yeah, there's something he doesn't
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: take ideas, the role of ideas very seriously.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 1: And it was a mediocre book. It wasn't that well written,
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: and you felt like you were missing big chunks of
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 1: the history and it just yeah, and it wasn't it
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't a clear theme.
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: It's a brief book.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: It's a brief book. That's true. It's a brief book. Yes, anyway, Yeah,
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: there's a lot. There's a lot to say about colonialism,
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: and it is an interesting topic. And there's a lot
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 1: of more recent economic literature about about colonialism and the
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 1: effect of colonialism. So we'll get into that when we
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 1: talk about that. All right, next week, remind everybody we're
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: going to talk about Ronald Reagan and that should be
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: fun and and and not as quite as dark as
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 1: what we talked about today.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: It would be the opposite.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: Doctor.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the figure whose biggest capital
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: was his positivity and his ability to to inspire.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: Optimism absolutely, and we'll talk about what what it was
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: it about him that made that possible, that made him
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: made that possible, and what he actually did. And suddenly,
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties in America with very
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 1: very different than the seventies and very very different than today.
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 1: They were they were the best of times in well,
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 1: maybe not the best, but in modern times they were
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 1: the best of times.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: A different time and maybe even different day. Next week.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, it will be Saturday next week. Saturday next week.
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: I will let you know what time soon. All right,
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: see you next week because I'll see you guys tomorrow,
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 1: I guess. And yeah, on we go, bye everybody, all bye,