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Mega Edition: Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 21-23) (8/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where he left off with the Leslie Groff interview with Congress. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to ask some questions about the period of
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  Speaker 1: time that mister Epstein was incarcerated. Mister Buckner jumps in,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, first time or a second time? Question? First time?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, backner, You're welcome. Question. Were you aware of
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  Speaker 1: him video calling women while he was incarcerated? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know at what point you learned that he
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  Speaker 1: was video calling women when he was incarcerated? Answer it
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  Speaker 1: was after Sarah Kelln's testimony. Question, so, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: during his incarceration at the pom Beach Stockade, mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: secured a work release that allowed him to leave the
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  Speaker 1: stockade for up to twelve hours a day, six days
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  Speaker 1: a week, ostensibly to work at the office of the
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  Speaker 1: Florida Science Foundation in pomp Beach. Did you have any
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  Speaker 1: role in securing mister Epstein work release while he was incarcerated?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no question. What about the Florida Science Foundation Answer
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  Speaker 1: no question. Do you know what the Florida Science Foundation was?
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  Speaker 1: Answer I do not. Question do you know who was
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  Speaker 1: involved with the creation of the Florida Science Foundation? Answer no.
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  Speaker 1: Question did you ever visit the Florida Science Foundation office
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  Speaker 1: in Palm Beach? Answer I did twice. Question when was that?
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  Speaker 1: Answer it was during whatever, sometime in two thousand and eight, nine,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight probably. Question So one visit was
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight and one was in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nine, or you can't remember. Answer I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly when they were, but it was
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  Speaker 1: obviously when you know he had his work release. Question sure,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any sense of time of the year? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Answer it was Florida, it was nice out. I really
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall. Question what was the purpose of those visits? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: It was tel of coordinate a list of scientists, make
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  Speaker 1: phone calls, we set up in a appointment. I set
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  Speaker 1: up appointments, you know, just basic administrative things. Question why
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  Speaker 1: did you need to visit the office to do those things? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I think he just wanted assemblance of normalcy. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't tell me why I ordered some office supplies,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was just mundane. Question were there young
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  Speaker 1: women who worked in the Florida Science Foundation's office. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who was employed there. Answer his traveling assistant,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah was there. Question do you remember any other young
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  Speaker 1: women there? Answer? I believe she's the only one traveling
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  Speaker 1: assistant I saw, yes. Question did you ever organize or
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  Speaker 1: schedule anyone to visit mister Epstein at the Florida Science
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  Speaker 1: Foundation office? Answer yes, Marvin Minsky and his wife Gloria.
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  Speaker 1: They came and visited him. Darre Torres came one day.
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  Speaker 1: His attorneys would come in a lot. I know that story.
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  Speaker 1: Cowls was there the paralegal question could you say that
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  Speaker 1: name again? Please? It's Cowls. Cowls. I'm trying to remember
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  Speaker 1: who else. I mean, I definitely know the attorneys. I
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  Speaker 1: saw his pilot come in, Larry Vasoski igor his security
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  Speaker 1: guard and workout instructor. Question did you ever see or
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  Speaker 1: were you ever aware of any minor girls or young
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  Speaker 1: women visiting in the office not young women who work
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  Speaker 1: for him? Answer no. Question were you ever aware of
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  Speaker 1: any allegations that mister Epstein had sexually abused girls or
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  Speaker 1: women at the Florida Science Foundation office? Answer not until
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  Speaker 1: we were preparing for this testimony and yet things came out.
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  Speaker 1: Question did you have any knowledge of just day visiting
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein while he was on work release? Answer I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall that question, Okay. At any point between two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight and twenty nineteen, were you aware of
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  Speaker 1: other investigations into mister Epstein? Answer no question. So you
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  Speaker 1: were never contacted by law enforcement during that period, answer
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  Speaker 1: no question. On July eighteenth, twenty nineteen, Vetereral prosecutors with
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  Speaker 1: the SDNY provided your attorneys with a reverse profer in
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  Speaker 1: a tempt to get you to meet with them for
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  Speaker 1: a profit to explain your role in mister Epstein's operation.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember if you ended up meeting with the
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  Speaker 1: federal prosecutors answer I did? Rite yes, Yes, I did. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Question and were you ever contacted by law enforcement as
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  Speaker 1: part of the investigation into Miss Maxwell? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever set up bank accounts for any minor
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  Speaker 1: girls or young women associated with mister Epstein? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: You talked earlier about the apartment at three oh one
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  Speaker 1: E sixty sixth Street, might have just a few clarifying
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  Speaker 1: questions for you. Is it correct that mister Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: access to ten apartments in that building. Answer that sounds correct.
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  Speaker 1: That he had ten apartments. Yeah. Question and two of
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  Speaker 1: them were used as office spaces. Answer prior to that
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  Speaker 1: time period? Uh huh. Question for the time period that
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  Speaker 1: answer of two thousand and eight to eleven or ten.
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  Speaker 1: Question outside of that time period? Were those two offices?
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me me? Were those two apartments used similarly to
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  Speaker 1: the other apartments and that sometimes people would stay in them? Answer? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Question and you talked about this earlier, but you said
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  Speaker 1: you were not sure that mister Ebstein. You're not sure
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  Speaker 1: whether mister Ebstein owned those apartments? Is that right? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I thought at the time that he owned them, but
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  Speaker 1: that was just my assumption. I didn't speak to him
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  Speaker 1: about it. Question did you have any knowledge of his
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  Speaker 1: brother Mark owning any of those apartments? Answer? I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Question what about of his brother owning the building? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that he owned the building. Question and
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  Speaker 1: you spoke some about the difference between people who stayed
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  Speaker 1: in these apartments. Were some of those people working as
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  Speaker 1: models for MC squared model management? Answer? I believe redacted
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  Speaker 1: was a model with mc squared. Question any others? Answer
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  Speaker 1: not that I know of. Question do you know her
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  Speaker 1: last name. Answer redacted. Question It's been discussed a little
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  Speaker 1: bit in previous hours, but we have a few more
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  Speaker 1: questions about Bill Gates. Do you know Bill Gates and
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  Speaker 1: if he's ever flown on mister Epstein's plane? Answer I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Question you don't know? Answer I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Question do you know if mister Epstein ever flew on
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  Speaker 1: a plane owned by mister Gates? Answer I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Question do you know if mister Epstein ever introduced any
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  Speaker 1: minor girls or young women to mister Gates? Answer no,
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  Speaker 1: question I'd like to introduce as minority. Exhibit one an
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  Speaker 1: email from February twenty seventh, twenty thirteen, which you sent
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  Speaker 1: to mister Epstein. The Bates number is EFTA zero two
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  Speaker 1: seven two zero five four six. Question. So the email
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  Speaker 1: says that redacted this is in the twelve twenty PM
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  Speaker 1: is arriving in New York and instructs Jojo to pick
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  Speaker 1: her up. Is that Jojo Fontania? Answer yes? Question okay,
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  Speaker 1: so who is misretacted? Answer I don't know. Question you
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  Speaker 1: don't know? Now did you know at the time? Answer
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  Speaker 1: I don't know now or back then? Question okay, did
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  Speaker 1: you know anything about her relationship with mister Epstein. Answer
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  Speaker 1: no question. Did you know anything about why she was
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  Speaker 1: traveling to New York? Answer no question. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: who paid for the trip to New York? Answer? I
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  Speaker 1: do not. Question. So, the email directs mister Fontania to
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  Speaker 1: drive her either to quote apartment or to meet mister
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  Speaker 1: Epstein at the Four Seasons at two pm? Is apartment
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  Speaker 1: apt and is that four three oh one E sixty
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  Speaker 1: sixth Street. Answer That's what I would think, yes. Question okay.
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  Speaker 1: These emails also state that mister Epstein's schedule to meet
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  Speaker 1: with mister Gates at the Four Seasons at two pm.
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  Speaker 1: Was it your understanding that mister Epstein intended to introduce
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  Speaker 1: mister Dactid to mister Gates. Answer I don't recall this
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  Speaker 1: at all. That would make sense to me, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Question. Were there any other instances in which,
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  Speaker 1: when you say that would make sense? Is that because
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  Speaker 1: there were other instances in which mister Epstein introduced young
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  Speaker 1: women to mister Gates? Answer? No, it would make sense
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  Speaker 1: to me because it says that to take them to
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  Speaker 1: the Four Seasons, and I see that Bill Gates has
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  Speaker 1: an appointment at two question okay. And do you know
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  Speaker 1: whether mister Epstein did end up introducing mister Dacted to
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  Speaker 1: mister Gates. Answer I don't know. Question okay. And do
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  Speaker 1: you know why there was a ten to fifteen pm
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  Speaker 1: appointment with mister Gates on the same day with mister Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Answer I don't know. Question Did mister Epstein frequently meet
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  Speaker 1: with business associates and professional contacts that late at night?
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  Speaker 1: Answer it's not common, but it's not unheard of either,
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  Speaker 1: I would think. Question And do you know why the
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  Speaker 1: meetings would take place that late at night? Answer? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why. Question okay. Do you know when the
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  Speaker 1: relationship between mister Epstein and mister Gates ended? Answer it ended.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question okay, you weren't aware that it
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  Speaker 1: ended at any particular point? Answer correct yes, question okay,
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  Speaker 1: And then switching gears a little bit for the following individuals.
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  Speaker 1: Were you ever aware of mister Epstein having business relationships
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  Speaker 1: with them? The first person is Sultan Ahmed bin Sulium.
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  Speaker 1: Answer I know that they knew each other, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the relationship was. Question okay. Howard Lutnick, who
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  Speaker 1: is now Secretary of Commerce, Answer I know that they
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  Speaker 1: knew each other, they were neighbors. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the relationship was. Question okay. Then Paolo Zampoli, I believe
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  Speaker 1: you earlier testified you didn't know who he was. Answer No,
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  Speaker 1: the name does not sound familiar. Question okay. And then
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  Speaker 1: a few more questions about additional people in mister Epstein's network.
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  Speaker 1: Can you describe who the following individuals your understanding of
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein's relationship with them? The first one is Robert F.
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, who is now Secretary of Health and Human Services. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't know that they communicated. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Question you didn't know that they had a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Answer that's correct. Question okay. Steve Bannon Answer Steve Bannon,
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  Speaker 1: he had a relationship with I don't know what it was,
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  Speaker 1: but he would come to the house and he definitely
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  Speaker 1: spoke to him on the phone. Question okay. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe you testified earlier that you arranged a gift of
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  Speaker 1: an Apple watch from mister Epstein to mister Bannon. Is
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  Speaker 1: that correct? Answer? He was on the list. Yes. Question
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  Speaker 1: and were there any other times when you were involved
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  Speaker 1: in gifts from mister Epstein to mister Bannon. Answer no
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  Speaker 1: question okay. The next question is about Leon Botstein, who
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  Speaker 1: was the president of Bard College. Answer, I think there
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  Speaker 1: were friends. Leon would come to the house and they'd
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  Speaker 1: have lunch. I know mister Epstein also went out and
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  Speaker 1: saw mister Botstein as well. Question at Bard College answer yes,
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  Speaker 1: question okay. Noam Chomsky answer that was a friend of
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  Speaker 1: his as well. I don't know what the relationship was,
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  Speaker 1: but he definitely would get together with Noam and Lolam's
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  Speaker 1: wife who I can't remember her name. A question Michael Wolf.
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  Speaker 1: Answer Michael Wolf, Yes they had a relationship. There were friends, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And were you aware of any professional relationship between mister
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and mister Wolf. Answer no question okay. And Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Ferguson the Duchess of York answer Duchess of York, Yes
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  Speaker 1: there were friends also question okay. And Peter Mandelsson, I
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  Speaker 1: think you discussed earlier. Answer yes there were friends. Question
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  Speaker 1: were you ever aware of any monetary gifts from mister
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  Speaker 1: Epstein to the Duchess of York? Answer monetary gifts? Question yeah,
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  Speaker 1: answer not that I recall. Question okay, And what about
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  Speaker 1: mister Mandelsson. Answer not that I know of All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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  Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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  Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
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  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're gonna dive right back into the Leslie
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  Speaker 1: Groff interview with Congress. Question Okay, you spoke earlier about
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  Speaker 1: some elements of your relationship with mister Epstein's estate. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to get some clarity for the record on
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  Speaker 1: the nature of that. You mentioned that mister Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: a fund set up to pay attorney fees, but that
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  Speaker 1: ended when he died. Is that accurate? Answer? Yes, that's accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Question okay. How long was the fund in existence? Answer? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question okay. Answer. I only found out
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  Speaker 1: about it when I needed money to hire an attorney.
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  Speaker 1: Question and when did that happen? Answer in July of
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, probably question after he was arrested. Answer yes,
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  Speaker 1: question okay, And do you know was that fund available
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  Speaker 1: to anyone in mister Epstein's staff? What was the category
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  Speaker 1: of people who were eligible to receive money. Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: really don't know. I believe it was staff, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if there were other people involved or on
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  Speaker 1: that plan as well. Question Okay, how did you become
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  Speaker 1: aware of the existence of that fund? Answer my attorneys?
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  Speaker 1: Question your attorneys became aware of that answer correct question okay.
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  Speaker 1: And is it the case that after his death, your
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  Speaker 1: attorne needs would submit invoices to the estate. Is that
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  Speaker 1: what you testified earlier? Answer correct question according to the
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  Speaker 1: same terms of the fund that had existed before. Answer
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  Speaker 1: that had existed before. I didn't know about the fund.
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  Speaker 1: Question I mean the fund before he died. Answer, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: before he died. Yes, they would submit the invoices. Question
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  Speaker 1: to the estate. Answer to the estate. Question. So, other
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  Speaker 1: than those attorney fee reimbursements and the settlement as a
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  Speaker 1: result of the claim against the estate, have you received
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  Speaker 1: any money from mister Epstein's estate? Answer other than the
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  Speaker 1: one we already discussed question correct answer, no question. And
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  Speaker 1: are you entitled to any compensation from that estate in
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  Speaker 1: your understanding? Answer? No question? Okay. Do you currently hold
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  Speaker 1: any interest or stake in mister Epstein's estate? Answer no, question,
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  Speaker 1: and have you had any contact with mister Epstein's estate
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  Speaker 1: administrators or their representatives since mister Epstein's death? Answer no question. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: did you have any contact with Darren Endyke or Richard
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  Speaker 1: Kahn in the preparation for their depositions before the committee
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  Speaker 1: or your interview before the committee? Answer no question. When's
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  Speaker 1: the last time that you spoke with them? If you
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  Speaker 1: recall Ms. Groff, it would be when he went to jail.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Epstein went to jail, probably right after that question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recall the context of that discussion? Groff? I
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  Speaker 1: think everybody was surprised and worried, but I don't recall
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  Speaker 1: anything offhand. Question. I've got a few questions about arranged marriages.
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  Speaker 1: We know that mister Epstein arranged marriages between American women
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  Speaker 1: that he sexually abused and foreign women who are trying
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  Speaker 1: to stay in the country. Did you ever have any
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  Speaker 1: role in arranging marriages between women connected to mister Epstein? Ms? Groff, no, Backner,
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  Speaker 1: Can I have one second when you say anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with you? Can? Can you just explain? Groff? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do know that there's an email that exists. I
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  Speaker 1: directed excuse me, I didn't direct. Mister Epstein directed me
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  Speaker 1: to have as driver Jojo, pick up redacted and are
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  Speaker 1: adacted person and go to the marriage place or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But no one ever spoke to me about it. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really know what was going on. It really wasn't
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  Speaker 1: until after he went to jail that it came to
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  Speaker 1: light to me. Question, got it so, at the time,
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  Speaker 1: you were not aware of mister Epstein arranging marriages between
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  Speaker 1: women connected to him? Correct answer, That is correct question.
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  Speaker 1: But you're aware of him doing it now? Answer now,
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  Speaker 1: I am yes. Question. Did you ever provide false information
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  Speaker 1: to substantiate a marriage between women connected to mister Epstein?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no question. Did you ever have knowledge of anyone
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  Speaker 1: else providing information excuse me, providing false information to substantiate
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  Speaker 1: a marriage between women connected to mister Epstein? Answer no question.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: You've been asked a few times about the hairdresser Frederick Focai.
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  Speaker 1: I believe you said you're not aware of mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: ever introducing minor girls or young women to him for
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  Speaker 1: the purpose of an engaging in sexual activity. Correct answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: correct question, And also that you are not otherwise aware
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  Speaker 1: of sexual abuse allegations against mister Focai. Correct answer correct,
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  Speaker 1: mister Bockner, you mean at the time as well? Right
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  Speaker 1: back then correct answer or question correct? Thank you, mister Bockner.
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  Speaker 1: Majority Exhibit Jay was Mark for identification. I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: introduce as minority Exhibit Jay this email from you to
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein from November eighteenth, twenty ten. The subject line
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  Speaker 1: is Frederick Fokai. The Bates number is EFTA zero two
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  Speaker 1: four one four three seven eight. Question in the email,
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  Speaker 1: you say quote Frederick Fokai just texted me asking if
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  Speaker 1: he could use the massage room today at ten am
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  Speaker 1: with his messuse Do you remember this email at all? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I do not. Question. Is this something that mister Focai
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: would do generally, ask to use the massage room? Answer
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: this is like seeing it for the first time. I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: don't recall mister Fay asking to use the massage room.
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  Speaker 1: Question sure, But separate from the email, do you have
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  Speaker 1: any other memory of mister Fokai asking to do this generally?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no. Question. Is this something that any of the
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  Speaker 1: other men in mister Epstein's network would ask to do
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  Speaker 1: to use the massage room? Answer no. Question. Have you
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  Speaker 1: had any contact with Glenn Maxwell between mister Epstein's death
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and her arrest, Graff, no question. And since miss Maxwell's arrest,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: have you had any contact with her or any of
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  Speaker 1: her representatives? Graff, no question. Okay, miss Groff, you said
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  Speaker 1: something during your opening statement that I'd like to ask
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  Speaker 1: you about. You said that the massages that you scheduled
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: were I think I got this down verbatim. I might
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  Speaker 1: be off by a word or two quote, just another
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  Speaker 1: small part of the elite world I was not from.
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  Speaker 1: We have asked you a lot of questions about massages.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Our counterparts have asked you a lot of questions about massages.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be clear that your testimony is that
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  Speaker 1: no point in the eighteen years that you work for
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  Speaker 1: him that you thought that it was strange that he
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  Speaker 1: had girls and young women coming over to massage them. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: mister Whitcomb, objection forum girls. She never really well, continue, Backner.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Do you mean girls miners or do you mean girls? Witcomb?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I meant. Question. Let's just say young women
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  Speaker 1: for now. Backner. Okay, Groff, No, I did not know
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein had miners coming over to give him a massage. Question.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Let's just say young women. Your testimony, Is that at
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: no point in the eighteen years that you work for
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: him that you thought it was strange that he had
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: all these young women come in massage. Answer, well, that
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: was only from the beginning two thousand and one to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: when he went to jail. I didn't know the rages
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: at all. It was a normal part of his day.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: To me, it was like a luxury. I couldn't believe
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: that somebody would pay for you know, do that you
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: know every day? That was a luxury you did once
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: a year. Question do you think that these women were
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: professional messuses? You've used that term a lot. You used
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: it in your opening statement, you used it throughout your testimony.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Did you think that these were professional messuses? Answer? I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: believe that was what they wanted to do. That was
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: part of something that they did. I don't know if
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that was their career, but question it was what they
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: wanted to do or it's what they did. Answer. I
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: had sometimes people call me and ask if mister Epstein
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: was in town could have a massage. Question So you
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: believe that these young women were professional messuses? Answer? I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: never met these women, so I didn't know if they
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: were young or how old they were. First of all,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I thought that it was just something that he did,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: like going to the gym. Questions, So you didn't have
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a belief either way that they were professional messuses or
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: were not professional messuses. Answer well, when you say professional
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like working for a company. Question working for a company
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: or having gone through the requisite training and having whatever
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: license and certification is needed to be a massage therapist
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in the state of New York. Answer right, I didn't
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: ask questions. The name and phone number was given to me.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I assume that they were a messuse. Question You were
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: unaware that mister Epstein was exceptionally wealthy? Correct or you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: were aware? Excuse me? Answer yes, question, so he could
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: have afforded the best messuse in New York correct answer, sure, question,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: but instead he had dozens, at least from your perspective,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of young women, oftentimes different young women massaging them, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that didn't seem abnormal to you. Backner, Just point of clarification.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: She said she didn't know how old they were. But
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: other than that, go ahead, graff. Yeah, it did not
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: seem odd to me. When I was hired, it was
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I was told this was just something that he does,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and everybody treated it like it was no big deal,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and I was just told that to keep his calendar
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and schedule his appointments. So question, So to mister Backner's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: clarification that you did not know how old they were,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: you did call these young women. Correct answer, I would
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: call and make appointments. Yes. Question Ms Groff, do you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: think that a fourteen year old sounds the same as
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a person in their twenties or thirties or forties. Answer
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: It's possible. I don't know. I was not evaluating voices.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody ever sounded like they were underage. Question Okay, we
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: have a couple more questions about mister Epstein's relationship with
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk. Were you aware of Epstein having a relationship
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: with Elon Musk? Answer? I am aware. No, I mean,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I'm aware that he went and saw SpaceX. At the time,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know what SpaceX was, so I don't
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know about a relationship with Elon Musk. Question So,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you were aware at the time of mister Epstein's visit
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to SpaceX, but not of any relationship between the two
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of them beyond that answer? Correct question Okay, were you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: aware of mister Musk ever requesting to visit any of
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein's properties. Answer no. Question okay, and so also,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: were you aware of mister Musk ever actually visiting any
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of mister Epstein's properties? Answer no. Question was it just
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: one visit to SpaceX? Answer yes? Question when did that
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: take place? Answer? I don't know twenty fourteen? Question okay,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And do you remember or are thereabouts twenty fourteen? Backner?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Don't guess groth, okay, don't guess. I don't backner. Does
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: anybody help groth? I don't know. I really don't know.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Question are you or do you remember whether anybody accompanied
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein on his visit to SpaceX? Answer? I believe
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: some of his traveling assistants went with them. They always
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: went with them. Question okay, answer, but I don't know who.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Question do you know which of the traveling assistants? Answer right?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Question okay, thank you. Question. I'd like to take a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: few minutes to ask you some kind of summarizing questions
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to make sure that the record is clear about your
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: testimony today. During the time that you work for mister Epstein,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: were you ever aware of mister Epstein's sexually abusing minor
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: girls or young women? Answer no, question. During the time
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that you work for mister Epstein, were you aware of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein introducing minor roles or young women to other
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: men for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity with
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: those men? Answer no question. During the time that you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: worked for mister Epstein, were you ever aware of mister
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Epstein transporting minor girls or young women for the purpose
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of engaging in sexual activity with them? Answer no question.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: During the time that you worked for mister Epstein, were
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you ever aware of mister Epstein transporting minor girls or
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: young women for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: with them? Answer no question. You worked for mister Epstein
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: for twenty years, some very long hours correct answer It
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: could have been. If it was long hours, it was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: working from home and being flexible, So I really appreciated
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that flexibility. Question What hours did you work? Growth what
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: hours did I work? It started at nine to five? Question?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I understand that we talked about that earlier. Answer yeah.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Question My point is, or my question rather, is it
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: fair to say that during those twenty years you put
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a significant amount of time working for that man nine
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to five? But also I believe you said once he
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: had a smartphone, it was nearly twenty four to seven.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Answer Yes, he would contact me. Question okay, answer he
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: had no boundaries. Question thank you, And you worked with
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: him at his office at four fifty seven Medisine and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: then you work with him at his home at ninety
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: seventy first Street. Correct answer, yes, question so it's fair
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to say that you had the kind of exposure to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a knowledge of mister Epstein in his operation that almost
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: no one else had. Correct answer. I really don't agree
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: with that. I was making appointments for him. He didn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: talk to me, We didn't have discussions. I didn't sit
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in meetings with them. Question. But it's your job not
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to just know his likes and preferences, but to anticipate them.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: You don't think that there's his trust and intimacy in
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that answer. There was no intimacy. He would always give
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: me the directions of what he wanted to happen, make
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: these appointments. He really did keep me on the outside,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: and he did that on purpose. I think he specifically
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: wanted to keep me at arm's length, if not more. Question,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but he trusted you with information that he did not
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: trust other people with correct answer, I suppose question, and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that was part of your value to him. That's why
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he bought you a Mercedes Benz and paid for a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: full time nanny so you wouldn't stop working for him.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Right answer, He appreciated, he valued my organizational skills, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that was and that I was responsible. Backner. Sorry, just
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: one more point of clarification. He didn't buy a Mercedes.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: He bought a Mercedes and she used it and then
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: she had to give it back. Question sure, thank you,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: mister Backner. Question is there anyone else in his orbit
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that had the kind of knowledge of his schedule, his
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: day to day, his likes, his preferences, who he met with,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: who he didn't, who he talked to, who he didn't
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: more than you? Answer? I would say that all the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: traveling assistants knew a bunch of his schedule and what
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: was going on. Question better than you answer. I feel
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like they knew him better than me. Question. So your
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: testimony today is that you did not know that mister
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Epstein was abusing, assaulting, raping, and trafficking minor girls and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: young women for decades. Correct, Witcomb, I mean I asked
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: an answered for the fiftieth time. Question the rules of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: evidence do not apply, Witcomb understood question. Thank you. Please
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: answer the question, Witcomb. But the rules of fairness should
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and she's here voluntarily she asked and answer this question
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: fifty times. I know I don't have any leeway to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: direct her or not to answer question. Then she can
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: answer it one more time, Witcomb. She can answer a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: fifty first time. Right Groff, I didn't know question. Thank you,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Ms Groff. That's all we have. We'll go off the record.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right here, and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All the information that
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicle. In this episode, we're getting right back to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the Leslie Groff transcript from her meeting with Congress. Questions
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: by Miss Tolan. Question, Miss Groff, thank you for your
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: patience here today. We know it's been long. We just
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: have a few more questions for you. So to start,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: do you know of any other individuals that knowingly facilitated
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein and his crimes? Answer? Knowingly facilitated no question
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: or help them in any way? Answer no question. Did
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or represent to you that he
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was working with an intelligent service of any nation, including
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the United States? Answer no question. Did Glenn Maxwell ever
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: inform or represent to you that she was working with
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: any intelligence service all of any nation? Answer no question.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Did you ever suspect mister Epstein or miss Maxwell of
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: being affiliated with any intelligence agency? Answer no question. We've
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: discussed the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, the first investigation in
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five and his following arrest multiple times
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: during today's interview, Just so the record's clear. When did
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you first become aware of the investigation into mister Epstein? Answer?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I believe it was in August of two thousand and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: seven when they came to my door the FBI. He
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: came to my door. Question and that was after he
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: was arrested. Answer When was he arrested? Question? I forgot
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the exact date. He was arrested in July of two
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: thousand and six for the first time. Answer, Oh, okay,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I believe it was when they came
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to my door. That's when I figured it out. Question
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and did mister Epstein ever discuss this investigation with you.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Answer he did after I was served the subpoena. Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Question and what did he say to you? Answer he
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: said that he was being blackmailed and that there was
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a short discussion. Question and did you have any kind
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: of knowledge of any illegal activity by mister Epstein prior
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to his arrest in two thousand and six? Answer no question.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: On October over twentieth, two thousand and five, police executed
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a search warrant for mister Epstein's pom Beach, Florida home.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Do you recall this happening? Answer no question. Did you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: ever learn about this happening? Answer? I did learn after
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the fact, Yes, that it had happened. Question so while
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you were still working for him? Answer yes. Question so
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you were not president at the Palm Beach residence when
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that occurred. Answer no question. What did you hear about
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the raid when you learned about it? Answer that they
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: had come in and rated his home and took I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly, maybe computers. They searched his trash cans,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Question And there was reporting that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: many believe Epstein was tipped off about the raid, since
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: multiple computers that were expected to be at the house
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: were missing when the search warrant was executed, to your knowledge,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: did anyone tip Jeffrey Epstein off to the October twentieth
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: search warrant in Palm Beach Answer not that I know of.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Question And are you aware of any items being removed
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: from his pom Beach residence prior to the FBI raid?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Answer no question. Did you receive specific instructions to destroy
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: any information from any residences at this time? Answer no question.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Did you receive specific instruction that have any items removed
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: from any of his residences at this time? Answer no question.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Did you ever instruct someone to remove items from any
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of his residences? Answer no question. At the New York property,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you are not instructed to remove any items from his
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: town home. Answer that's correct. No question. Were any other
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: items or records ever intentionally destroyed or withheld from police
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: as part of the investigation? Answer not that I know of.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Question Miss Groff, do you know what the Florida Science
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Foundation is? Answer I did not know until after we
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: were preparing for this testimony. Question, so you didn't know
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: at the time answer correct question. And you didn't know
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: about him working at the Florida Science Foundation as part
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of his work release. Answer. I knew he was working
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: there and it was part of the Florida Science Foundation. Right.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Question did you ever visit the office of the Florida
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Science Foundation while mister Epstein was working there in work release?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Answer yes twice. Question what was the reason for those visits? Answer?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Just to coordinate a list of scientists and their names
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and phone numbers. We made appointments with Gloria and I'm
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: forgetting his name. Backner, You testified to it earlier, Graff, Yes,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Backner Minsky, Graff Minsky, Marvin Minsky. Yes, he came and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: stayed the whole entire day with mister Epstein, him and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: his wife. He and his wife, and it was just
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: connected him to some scientists, and he had lots of
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: attorneys coming in and out. Question and do you recall
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: where the office was located? Answer hang on, It was
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: in the same building as his attorney, Jack Goldberger Australian Avenue,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: something like that. Question and you testified to this, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein was allowed to have visitors while he was
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: on work release. Answer yes. Question did anyone else visit
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: him to your knowledge? Answer? I said dere Torres earlier
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and the attorney Larry Vesoski the pilot. I know I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: met Larry's wife one day there his driver and security
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: guard Jim instructor Igor I don't remember the last name.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: It starts with the Z. Sarah Kellen and Story Calves.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Who was the paralegal? Question while he was on work release?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Did mister Epstein ever engage in any sexual conduct with
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: any woman? Answer? No, I mean, now I understand after
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the fact there's been allegations. Question but you had no
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: direct knowledge of this? Answer no. Question, Miss Groff, who's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Matthew Minchell? Do you know who that is? Answer? I've
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: come to find out preparing for this that he was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: an attorney. Did you understand him to have a relationship
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: with mister Epstein when you work for mister Epstein? Answer
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember him. He's just a name that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: now I recognize because of listening to other people's testimony.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Question do you recall ever scheduling meetings dinner? Is there
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: any kind of appointment between Menchell and Epstein? Answer? I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: don't recall. Question And do you know if mister Epstein
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: ever later hired mister Minchell to work for him? Answer?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question And then I'm going to ask
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you about the New York residence specifically. Were you aware
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of security cameras on or at the residence? Answer at
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: seventy first Street. Question yes, answer there were. There was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a room with monitors, and there were security cameras that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: looked out onto seventy first Street. Question did you have
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: access to that room? Answer? I could go in there,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: but I didn't go in there very often. Question was
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: there a reason you would not go in there? Or
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: can you describe the instances? Answer just to say a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: load of rich who was in that office. Maybe a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: UPS package would be in there, something like that. Questions
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: so not to review security footage? Answer? Oh, no. Question
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And did all of his residences have similar security camera rooms? Answer?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Mister Emmer jumps in, and to be clear,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you said this secrecurity cameras were outside the residence Graff, Yes, Emmer,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: You're not aware of any security cameras inside the residence.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Graff No, Emmer. Okay, Tolan doing the questioning again. Question
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: do you know if security footage was stored anywhere? Answer?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question do you know if any footage
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: was ever turned over to the police or the FBI.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Answer I don't know. Question do you know what happens
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to any of the footage after mister Epstein's death? Answer
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: no question. When did you learn of mister Epstein's death?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Answer I think the morning had happened. Question who told you?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Answer my counsel. Question what did you do next? Or
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: who did you speak with? Answer my husband? He was
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: right with me. Question In all the years you've known
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and work for mister Epstein, did he ever demonstrate suicidal tendencies?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Answer no question. Have you ever heard mister Epstein say
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to commit suicide? Answer no question. Do
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you believe that mister Epstein committed suicide? Answer? I don't know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Question and I believe we touched on this a little
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: bit earlier. But when you did first learn about the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight non prosecution agreement? When was that? Answer?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I believe it was when he went to jail. Question
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and what were you told about the agreement? If anything?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Answer just that I was. I was in it and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't really understand it. Brignac asking questions now, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: who told you you were in it? Groff? Mister Endyke
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: back to Tolan, who's now asking the questions again. Question,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and why did you think you were named in the agreement? Answer?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand it at all. I felt very far
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: away from Palm Beach. I felt like I had nothing
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to do with it. I was surprised. Question and then
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I know we've talked at length about massages, mister Epstein,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: receiving massages and the role that you had in scheduling those.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I just had a few more clarification questions for the record.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Just to be clear, did you ever pay money to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: any person in exchange for a massage for mister Epstein? Answer?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: The only thing. I never handed any money to anyone.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: The only thing I would have done is if mister
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Epstein directed me to have redacted put money in an
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: envelope for someone, and then that envelope would be picked
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: up by a messenger or Jojo as driver and taken
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to that person. Question, So, just to be clear, did
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you ever give money to a fifteen year old girl
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: for the purpose of massaging mister Epstein? Answer? No question,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And we touched on this earlier, But just to clarify,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever provide any gifts to any of the messuses? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: No question. Did you ever provide Broadway tickets to any messuses?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no question. The committee is also aware of allegations
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  Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein engaging in blackmail of sorts. Did mister
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  Speaker 1: Epstein ever ask you to look up information to use
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  Speaker 1: against any young women or girls? Answer no question, and
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  Speaker 1: then again just to reiterate so the record's clear. While
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  Speaker 1: scheduling a massage for mister Ebstein, did you ever ask
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  Speaker 1: any of the messuses for the rage? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever ask anything about their appearance? Answer no.
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  Speaker 1: Mister emer asked a question, now, did you ever ask
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  Speaker 1: a review school ideas of anyone? Miss Groff no Brignac.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever review school ideas? Groff No. Mister Tolan
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  Speaker 1: or miss Tolan excuse me? And are you aware of
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  Speaker 1: messuses or girls being paid money if they recruited a
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  Speaker 1: friend to get mister Epstein a massage? Graff no Brignac. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever made an appointment for another woman to
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  Speaker 1: receive an abortion? Answer no question. Have you ever transferred
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  Speaker 1: money to anyone for purposes of receiving an abortion? Answer
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  Speaker 1: no question. Does the name doctor Caplan ring a bell?
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  Speaker 1: Answered doctor Caplin? Not off hand? Question? Did you ever
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  Speaker 1: agree to render payment for services to doctor Caplan. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall who doctor Caplin is. It was not
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  Speaker 1: my place to give money to doctors I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Question in your work for securing medical appointments for girls,
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  Speaker 1: such as the example we've provided you with today, did
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  Speaker 1: you ever receive information about the purpose of the APO?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no. Question are you familiar with doctor Magnanni? Answer no,
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  Speaker 1: mister Bockner one second Graf Oh Magnanni question yes, answer ah,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Magnanni in Pombach she was a dentist. Question yes,
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever render payment to doctor Magnanni for services
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  Speaker 1: to young women or girls? Answer no, not that I recall.
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  Speaker 1: They were friends and maybe he did see them as
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  Speaker 1: a dentist as well. Question did you understand that he
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  Speaker 1: was providing dental services to anyone associated with Jeffrey Epstein?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no, Backner, She'd liked to modify that. Answer too,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall Brinac, please do Graff. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: recall setting up an appointment. Now Emma asking questions. I
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: know that we've talked at length about the travels and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: whether you traveled in furtherance of your employment. Did you
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  Speaker 1: mention that you had flown with mister Epstein, were on
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  Speaker 1: the helicopter. Answer I did once. Question can you elaborate
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  Speaker 1: where that helicopter went? Answer? Sure, it left Saint Thomas
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  Speaker 1: and took me over to his island. Question did you
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  Speaker 1: ever travel to Cuba? Answer no, Brignac, mis Gross, you
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  Speaker 1: said in your opening statement that you want to be helpful.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any information you have that could be helpful
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  Speaker 1: to this committee? Mis Groff, I feel like I've talked
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  Speaker 1: about a lot of things. I hope that I've been helpful.
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  Speaker 1: I think you guys have covered about everything, Brignac, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your assistance today. It's been a very
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  Speaker 1: long day and I appreciate your cooperation with all these questions. However,
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  Speaker 1: you've also said you don't know a lot today, and
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  Speaker 1: I hope you can appreciate some of the confusion and
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  Speaker 1: admittedly frustration with the fact that you don't know certain circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: When you work for mister Ebstein for eighteen years and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: have been quoted as being an extension of his brain.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything you can offer there to help clarify
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  Speaker 1: that confusion? Groff? All I can say is that, truly,
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  Speaker 1: and even more now, I recognize how he kept me
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  Speaker 1: away from him. We were not social, we didn't have discussions,
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  Speaker 1: and it was all part of his scheme and his manipulation.
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  Speaker 1: It was one hundred percent on purpose. Yeah, Backner, I'm
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: not the witness, but because the newspaper article was used,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he also indicated that she got paid two
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand a year in two thousand and four, and
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  Speaker 1: that's false. So you know how he may have characterized
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: her as being an extension of his brain, maybe equally
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  Speaker 1: as true as how much money he was paying her.
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  Speaker 1: This is what he said. It doesn't mean it's all true,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're aware of that. Brignac. Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe that there was anyone that's testified before the committee
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  Speaker 1: that has been untruthful? Groff? I do not know, Brignac.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything that we've not asked you about today
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  Speaker 1: that you would like to offer into the record, Graf,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe so, no, Bockner. One of the questions
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  Speaker 1: that was asked by the gentleman sitting next to Miss Talib,
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  Speaker 1: I apologize, I don't know his name for the minority.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to clarify it, But
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: miss Groff, was asked repeatedly by him how she cannot
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  Speaker 1: believe that someone who was quote in school and was
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: an orchestra was not a minor. I think she would
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  Speaker 1: just like to elaborate Whitcomb. Sorry, miners have orchestra practice
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  Speaker 1: at ten pm. Groff, Yeah, to me, no high school
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  Speaker 1: students going to orchestra practice at ten pm. And this
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  Speaker 1: person was working all day. It was definitely someone who
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  Speaker 1: was of age. And miners are just not going to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: staying up late. You know. I raised my son. We're
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: never going to let him do those things. This person
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: clearly had to be someone of age and it's New York.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I can't imagine that someone's going to school
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  Speaker 1: who's a miner that late in the evening. Ms. Toland,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. That's all the questions we have for you today.
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  Speaker 1: We'll conclude and go off the record, all right, folks.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: That wraps up the Leslie Groff transcript from her meeting
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  Speaker 1: with Congress. All the information that goes with this episode
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