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The RFK Assassination Files Pt. 4: The Pruszynski Recording · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter insurance spit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm true, I'm a check out both skins. Wait the
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  Speaker 2: aut Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host this week
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  Speaker 2: kind of expands here. How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Man? Going good? Adam, Well, honestly going less good after
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  Speaker 1: I read the notes. This is a pretty infuriating episode.
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  Speaker 2: It sure is. These RFK episodes have all been kind
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  Speaker 2: of frustrating because of all the conspiracies out there, this
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  Speaker 2: seems like the most obvious, the one that everyone seems
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  Speaker 2: to agree. Yep, we should probably reopen this and look
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  Speaker 2: into it again.
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  Speaker 1: I am now more certain that there were multiple shooters
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  Speaker 1: at the RFK assassination than I am that Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill himself. That's how insane this deluge of evidence is.
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  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. If I had to choose which hill to die
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  Speaker 2: on between this and Elvis joined Witness Protection, I would
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  Speaker 2: go with this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is even taking presidents over our Elvis Truther
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  Speaker 1: status here on the show, which, as you know, is
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  Speaker 1: die hard and robust.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what we're talking about this week. I mentioned on
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  Speaker 2: the last RFK episode that a lot more files have
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  Speaker 2: been added to this archive.
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  Speaker 1: And we're doing twenty five more RFK episodes in this
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  Speaker 1: series minimum.
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  Speaker 2: Probably I'll break it up a little bit, but I
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  Speaker 2: feel like there's going to be a lot. On the
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  Speaker 2: last one, I mentioned that these files have changed a
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  Speaker 2: bunch since they first uploaded him and the stuff on
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  Speaker 2: the first few pages is different now. And the first
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  Speaker 2: page of those files, at least as of right now,
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  Speaker 2: is an FBI memo dated October twenty fifth, twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Well link to it in the show notes, and it
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  Speaker 2: is the FBI responding to a request from RFK Junior
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  Speaker 2: to reopen the investigation into his father's assassination, and his
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  Speaker 2: request is based on analysis of a piece of evidence
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  Speaker 2: in the RFK assassination called the Prasinski tape. I should
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  Speaker 2: have looked up to make sure I'm pronouncing that right,
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  Speaker 2: but probably it looks like Presensky to me, Prasenski, Prashinski.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe put a little juz a little in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can spice it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: This is not the Kaminsky method. This is the Prishinsky tape.
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  Speaker 2: The Prashinsky tape is a recording that was inadvertently made
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  Speaker 2: by a Polish journalist named Stanislaw Prasinski.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he's Polish, so he does everything inadvertently.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the way it goes.
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  Speaker 2: He recorded rfk's speech at the Ambassador Hotel like a
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  Speaker 2: real fucking nerd. I mean, that was you had to
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  Speaker 2: do that back then. There was no YouTube. You couldn't
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  Speaker 2: be like I'll find it online later. You had to
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  Speaker 2: preserve this shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had to quote people on stuff. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure. If I wouldn't want to
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  Speaker 1: be going around quoting people off my memory, I would
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  Speaker 1: want some receipts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, So after Kennedy finished his speech, Prasinski went to
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  Speaker 2: the podium to retrieve his tape recorder and just forgot
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  Speaker 2: to turn it.
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  Speaker 1: Off, typical Polish behavior.
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  Speaker 2: And so he was still recording when RFK was shot,
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  Speaker 2: and he had this tape and he went back and
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  Speaker 2: listened to it and was like, oh shit, that was
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  Speaker 2: all when RFK was shot. But he also assumed other
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  Speaker 2: people would have been recording and that authorities would have
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  Speaker 2: had had a copy of this tape also, so he
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  Speaker 2: just didn't notify anyone. He just went back to Montreal
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  Speaker 2: where he lived fucking tossed this tape in the back
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  Speaker 2: of his car and was like, that's probably not important.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just make a blaked statement that modesty does
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  Speaker 1: history no flavors when it comes to assassination witnesses, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like there's no need for your little like little old
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  Speaker 1: knee shit, like just send the tape.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't want to bother the police. Bother the
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  Speaker 2: police no matter what, or.
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  Speaker 1: Better yet, bother an independent journalist or scientists. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of lucky. He didn't immediately give this
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  Speaker 2: tape to the police, at least not the original, but
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  Speaker 2: he was wrong about authorities having a copy or a
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  Speaker 2: similar tape. So in early nineteen sixty nine, the FBI
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  Speaker 2: had the Royal Canadian Mounted Police make a recording of
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  Speaker 2: his tape. I wonder why it happened that way. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder why they weren't just like, hey, will you make
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  Speaker 2: a copy and we'll come pick it up. I wonder
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  Speaker 2: if he was like, no, but I'll give it to
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  Speaker 2: the p and you'd get it from them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe, I mean, I guess, I guess the Mounties
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  Speaker 1: have probably got a nice tape deck, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: would imagine they need that for something in nineteen sixty whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because now that I think about it, home like
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  Speaker 2: cassette recording wasn't a thing until the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, because that's when the dead Kennedy has
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  Speaker 1: left the B side of the in God We Trust
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  Speaker 1: ep blank and wrote the home taping is killing the
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  Speaker 1: record industry. We left the side blank so you can help.
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  Speaker 2: There was a parody bumper sticker of that that went
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  Speaker 2: around around the same time that said home fucking is
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  Speaker 2: killing the porn industry.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, after that they got the tape, the FBI
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  Speaker 2: concluded there was nothing of value to be heard on it,
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  Speaker 2: and it just went into the LAPDS files for a
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  Speaker 2: long time.
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  Speaker 1: The fucking Federal Bureau of Ignoring Important shit.
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  Speaker 2: And the lap One of the things you hear about
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  Speaker 2: this investigation from people back when it happened is, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: we don't want all the JFK questions, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: want this to be pretty transparent, which is probably why
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  Speaker 2: they arranged for it to happen in a kitchen with
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  Speaker 2: a shit ton of witnesses. But yeah, then it just
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  Speaker 2: turns immediately into JFK shit. With one example being the
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  Speaker 2: LAPD refusing to release any of these files for like
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  Speaker 2: nineteen years. It's like, why, why don't you want these
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  Speaker 2: files released? Who is it going to implicate that you
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  Speaker 2: don't want implicated that someone in the LAPD. You never know,
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  Speaker 2: But those files were released starting in nineteen eighty eight because.
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  Speaker 1: You when we've looked at all the evidence we've looked
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  Speaker 1: at here, how many people on the LAPD had to
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  Speaker 1: just straight up do a bad job for this to go,
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  Speaker 1: like slip through the cracks, straight up ignore protocol, discard evidence,
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  Speaker 1: not catalog but whatever, Like, there is a lot I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that they're that incompetent, I mean cop hater
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  Speaker 1: that I am. I think they know what they're doing
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  Speaker 1: to the degree that they could find bullet holes in
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  Speaker 1: doorframes and shit like that that they just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did find bullet holes in doorframes even
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  Speaker 2: and they were just like, nah, those aren't bullet holes.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you don't want to test that and make.
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  Speaker 1: Sure you're just I thought that was one of the
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  Speaker 1: things they found later, but I guess I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they found bullet holes, but the lead investigator, who
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about him more in a minute. He determined
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  Speaker 2: the metal inside the holes in the doorframe was was
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  Speaker 2: not bullets. And it's like you determine that from just
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  Speaker 2: looking at the holes that had metal in them, and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, it's not bullet metal.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot about holes, Okay, yeah, I And of.
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  Speaker 2: Course those doorframes have since been destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, perfect much. There wouldn't have been any museum
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  Speaker 1: space anywhere that wanted to hold onto those.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, definitely not. Yeah, that's the other thing. You
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  Speaker 2: go to the Reagan Library. They have every piece of
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  Speaker 2: evidence from his attempted assassination there, those.
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  Speaker 1: Fuckers, But this we don't.
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  Speaker 2: We just we've lost it all. Except the Reagan Library
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  Speaker 2: has the Souvenir program about this assassination.
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  Speaker 1: So you can review all the key points.
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  Speaker 2: So this recording, it goes into the LAPDS files. It's
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  Speaker 2: eventually made public in nineteen ninety, but then it's another
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  Speaker 2: fourteen years before anyone actually finds this tape and listens
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  Speaker 2: to it. It was two thousand and four a CNN
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  Speaker 2: reporter and RFK historian named Brad Johnson found this tape,
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  Speaker 2: listened to it, and he heard popping noises that he
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  Speaker 2: suspected might be gunshots. He matched up the time of
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  Speaker 2: the recording with footage of the scene and determined that
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  Speaker 2: this recording would have happened when RFK was being shot,
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  Speaker 2: because in video from the scene you can see Prazinski
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  Speaker 2: go up and get his tape recorder and off, and
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  Speaker 2: they know what time that happened, and at the exact
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  Speaker 2: time he's heading toward this pantry, you see him on
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  Speaker 2: video heading to the pantry. That's when the shots are
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  Speaker 2: being fired.
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  Speaker 1: And I got to commend whoever did this, because I
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  Speaker 1: have had the sync audio of old mean boys shows
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  Speaker 1: to a video of old mean boy shows, and I
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  Speaker 1: got to wait until I'm getting spanked with a giant
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  Speaker 1: paddle to use that as a slate. It's very difficult
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  Speaker 1: to find archival sync points between video and audio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah one, especially video and audio from back then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no shit.
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  Speaker 2: And so he shares this recording with sound engineers at
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  Speaker 2: both CNN and Paramount Pictures, and both of those people
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  Speaker 2: agreed there were more shots than you could hear just
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  Speaker 2: with your naked ear. And then he gave the recording
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  Speaker 2: from there to two audio specialists, one Phil Van Pragg
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  Speaker 2: and experienced audio engineer another Spencer Whitehead, an audio science
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  Speaker 2: professor at Georgia Institute of Technology. Both of them also
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  Speaker 2: agreed that more than eight shots could be heard on
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  Speaker 2: this tape. In two thousand and seven, three other experts
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  Speaker 2: who examined the recording at Johnson's request said they heard
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  Speaker 2: at least ten shots.
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  Speaker 1: But these people are all Palestinian sympathizers exactly. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing.
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  Speaker 2: What ends up happening here spoiler alert is this gets
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  Speaker 2: in front of a judge, and this judge is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but there's also some experts who refute what's happening on
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  Speaker 2: the tape, so I guess we don't need to reopen
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  Speaker 2: the case. It's like, what the fuck is that?
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  Speaker 1: The judge is like, don't fuck up my fucking golf
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  Speaker 1: game for me, asshole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is that vibe.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, Nah.
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  Speaker 2: Some other experts said it's not real. It's like they're
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  Speaker 2: writing a book about RFK. That doesn't into your thinking
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to be the judge who goes around,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being a nuisance to the deep state. Adam,
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  Speaker 1: you know that can't be good for your career on
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  Speaker 1: the bench.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is an episode of the Good Fight the
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  Speaker 2: greatest television show of the last twenty five years. It's
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: a about a law firm, and so you see like
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: court cases and shit, and a lot of it is
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  Speaker 2: based on real things. It's a spin off of The
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  Speaker 2: Good Wife, and The Good Wife very famously covered home
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  Speaker 2: En Square, which is that black site in Chicago that
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  Speaker 2: the police were operating without letting anyone know. They did
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  Speaker 2: an episode about that a year before the story broke.
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  Speaker 2: So they get into like ripped from the headlines type
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  Speaker 2: shit sometimes before it makes the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: In a kind of a CSI type way. Yeah, gotcha,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that happens in this whole
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  Speaker 2: season of The Good Fight is these judges keep getting
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  Speaker 2: cases brought in front of them, and then they get
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  Speaker 2: this memo and then they show up in court and
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  Speaker 2: they're like, actually, no, we're gonna just dismiss the case.
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  Speaker 2: And it's someone high up that's just like hm hmm,
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  Speaker 2: don't don't take that case. There's no way that shit
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen in real life.
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  Speaker 1: Did happen with uh? With Epstein? I forget the exact
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  Speaker 1: you know, appeals court and the exact judge or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But he said basically like I was told, he's above
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  Speaker 1: my pay grade, he's intelligence. Back the fuck off, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a quote from a guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We did an episode of this podcast years ago about
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  Speaker 2: a group called the Finders.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, one of the creepiest fucking shows we ever did.
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  Speaker 1: The Finders is so creepy, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I'm convinced that was a human
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  Speaker 2: like a child trafficking hole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, definitely, most definitely. And it was wilfully ignored.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing. It wasn't wilfully ignored until
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  Speaker 2: it got to the CIA, because there's two different incidents
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  Speaker 2: where people try to like pursue a case against them,
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  Speaker 2: and it kept getting kicked up to like FBI whoever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because it's some serious shit, right, and both
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  Speaker 2: times it hit the CIA and they were like, Nope, nope,
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  Speaker 2: we're not We're not gonna look into that at all.
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  Speaker 2: So don't doubt that the judge in this case might
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  Speaker 2: have had it put in his ear that I don't
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  Speaker 2: give a fuck what's on that tape, you do not
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  Speaker 2: reopen this investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, judges have still got a little bit of that,
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  Speaker 1: Like you remember how we felt about you know, cops
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  Speaker 1: and shit before nine to eleven, they got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that shine on them where we still believe
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  Speaker 1: they're public servants. But I'm not buying it. I think
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  Speaker 1: you're just as corrupt as is the average mailman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're allowed to be, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: good guy to some point, and then you run into
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  Speaker 2: shit like this and they're like, yeah, you got you
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  Speaker 2: gotta go the other way. Because even I think you're right,
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  Speaker 2: judges do still have an air of respectability to them,
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  Speaker 2: and you're seeing it even now where there's like judges
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  Speaker 2: Trump appointed who now he's putting their immigration shit in
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  Speaker 2: front of them, and they're like, are you fucking crazy?
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  Speaker 2: You cannot just deport people to fucking Venezuela. But those
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  Speaker 2: are judges he appointed. So that gives me a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of hope. I mean, until he starts sending those
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  Speaker 2: judges to fucking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, until he's until we find the camp judge somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in the Gulf of America somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Camp Judy. Why do they call it camp judy?
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  Speaker 1: Camp Judy would be a sick name for your like
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  Speaker 1: judicial concentration camp.
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  Speaker 2: It's all judges in there.
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  Speaker 1: It stands for Judges Unduly dying yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll link to a YouTube video of Phil Van
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  Speaker 2: Pragg explaining this analysis himself. If anyone wants to listen
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  Speaker 2: to it, I think he makes a very convincing case.
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  Speaker 2: He seems very, very, very believable. He's got a whole
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  Speaker 2: array of expensive looking audio equipment behind him as he's talking.
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  Speaker 1: If I ever get shot, I totally trust this guy
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  Speaker 1: to determine the number of shots based on any iPhone
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  Speaker 1: voice memo anywhere in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He seems super fucking believable.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a real nerd.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, an audio nerd one. And he used an
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  Speaker 2: acilloscope and a spectrum analyzer, same shit I would have
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  Speaker 2: used to filter out the suspected gun sounds from the
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  Speaker 2: other ambient sounds on the recording. And there are apparently
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  Speaker 2: characteristics to the sound of a gun shot that make
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  Speaker 2: it unique from like balloons popping or firecrackers. He said
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  Speaker 2: he found what appeared to be thirteen shots, but that
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  Speaker 2: a scream at the end of the recording may have
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  Speaker 2: obscured a fourteenth shot. And there's people who disagree. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about them more later. But he found more than
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  Speaker 2: just extra gun shots. He also claimed that shots three
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  Speaker 2: and four and shots seven and eight are too close
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  Speaker 2: together to have been fired by the same gun.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and sir Hand only had eight shots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he only had eight shots in his gun. And like,
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  Speaker 2: even if there's only eight shots, that part still speaks
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  Speaker 2: to there being a second shooter because even if there's
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  Speaker 2: only eight shots, two times those shots happened too fast
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  Speaker 2: for it to be from the same gun.
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  Speaker 1: So both in terms of the number of impacts and
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  Speaker 1: the audio record, Yeah, it's consistent with two guns.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a Discovery Times documentary which is now
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  Speaker 2: Investigation Discovery that tested this. They had a firearms expert
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  Speaker 2: fire the same kind of gun Sirhan Sirhan was firing,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like zero point three seconds was the
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  Speaker 2: minimum amount of time he could get two shots off.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of gifts of a couple of
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  Speaker 1: fat guys that I would like to test this theory.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they could perhaps produce some of the
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  Speaker 1: same numbers based on what I've seen, But you know,
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  Speaker 1: this guy couldn't do it. That's something.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about that Investoration Discovery experiment. One of the
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  Speaker 2: things people push back on is oh well, they did
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  Speaker 2: those shots outside instead of doing them inside a pantry
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  Speaker 2: like it actually happened. And Phil van Pragg was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's called ideal conditions. So even under ideal conditions, they
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  Speaker 2: could not get the shots off in that amount of time.
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  Speaker 2: Once you factor in jostling around and people screaming, then
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna take even longer to get those fucking shots off.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great thing to watch a smart person talk
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  Speaker 1: to a stupid person sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really is fun. Van Pragg also claimed his
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  Speaker 2: analysis showed that shots three, five, eight, ten, and twelve
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  Speaker 2: were all fired from a different gun because their sound
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  Speaker 2: waves had a weird anomaly that the other sound waves
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  Speaker 2: did not. And then he also found that the five
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  Speaker 2: anomaly shots were fired from a different direction than the
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  Speaker 2: other eight, as if the two shooters were facing different directions.
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  Speaker 2: Once you get into shit like that, I know we're
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  Speaker 2: dealing with a goddamn expert here.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I could I could send this guy
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  Speaker 1: a tape of a recording of me coming from one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight feet away and he'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: Connor hadn't jacked off in four days and he was
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  Speaker 1: watching gang bang porn This guy is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he also was able to determine that those five
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  Speaker 2: anomaly shots that seemed like they were coming from a
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  Speaker 2: different direction were fired from an H and R nine
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: to twenty two twenty two caliber revolver. Sir Hans Sirhan
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was firing an Ivor Johnson Cadet twenty two caliber revolver.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: But do you know who did have an H and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: R twenty two at the time of the shooting? Fine, Eugene,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: saysar the security guard from the last episode, who a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: lot of history has come to suspect was the actual shooter.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: The gun he sold was an H and R twenty
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: two caliber pistol.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And I've been thinking about it. There's I really cannot
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: come up with a more racist sounding first name than Thane.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: It just screams something about it is just prejudiced.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and it rhymes with bane, So it just feels
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: like a move menace to it. Yeah, Yeah, feels like
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: movie villain. Shit, why did he flee to the Philippines?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Is that where his goddamn lair was at?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're black, he's the thane of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: your existence.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Now we've reached the point where this shit gets or Palestinian. Yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: we've reached the point where the shit gets really frustrating.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I've said a million times that when it comes to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff, the people pushing the theory get just scrutinized endlessly.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But we'll take a debunking from any fuck face on
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the Internet who wants to debunk it. Like, it can
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: be a GeoCities page with no fucking source links and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: someone's gonna be like, yeah, but this guy debunked it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't trust that guy.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: People just want to read a thing that's like nineteen
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: words long and they don't have to click on a link,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and it just tells them something comfortable to hear. Yeah,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and no one is actually sitting and down. No one's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: actually sitting down and doing and breaking out the goddamn
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: acilloscope like Van Pragg and doing some goddamn work.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think you were on the episode we
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: did not too long ago about the Deadly Double. Are
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: you familiar with that conspiracy? Well, it claims that there
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: was an ad placed in New Yorker magazine that was
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a tip off that Pearl Harbor was about to happen,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And there's a Snoop's article out there that's like, Nah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: it's just that's just that's fake, that's not anything at all.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And then right at the end they're like, but also
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: that guy was in a precursor to the CIA, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: it's like, really, you're gonna leave it there. So I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: looked into it more. Not only was that guy in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: a precursor to the CIA, he also the office where
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: he developed this game was in the same building where
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the Japanese console was at. So while he's developing this
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: game that people think is a tip off to Pearl Harbor,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: he's right there next to the Japanese consulate. The whole
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: time was already in the military.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Oh that's very strange.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: At that point, there's so much weird shit about it,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and Snopes is just like, yeah, we asked the FBI.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: They didn't know anything about it. It's like that I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: was not going to tell you where it was.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: That the nine to eleven was like the new Pearl Harbor,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like the new fake Pearl Harbor that they picked up.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It's well, no, well, Pearl Harbor was a fake Pearl Harbor.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of advanced knowledge theories about Pearl Harbor.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I've read some of that stuff. I've never looked into it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I probably should. My grandmother was at Pearl Harbor when
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it was bombed. She was three years old, got taken
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: out on the bus, was hiding under the bed when
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the fucking zeros were flying over. That's fucking intense, pretty crazy.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Shit almost didn't exist.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I read a book about the Office of Naval Intelligence
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: not too long ago, and at that point in history,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the debate in the United States was should we get
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: involved in this war or should we stay out? And
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the people who wanted to get into that war are
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the same people who would have known about Pearl Harbor first,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: which is the Office of Naval Intelligence. And the suspicion
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: is they were like, oh, that might be all right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: If that happens, we'll just then we'll obviously get into
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the war. So it's kind of it's very similar to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: nine to eleven in that people think it wasn't so
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: much an inside job, but that people knew it was
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: going to happen and weren't all that upset about it
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: because it would help them achieve their goals.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And from what I recall of my twentieth century civics,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: FDR was pretty isolation list until this happened, Like, yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that was he was pretty like he kind of wouldn't
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: but he'd mostly just play it safe and just focus
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: on America with the socialism and what have you. But
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that's fucking crazy read.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was should we get in the war and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: also should we spend a bunch to money building up
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: our naval intelligence resources or should we like scale that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: back because America is safe from their enemies and Pearl
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Harbor happened, It's like, I bet you fucking need us now, huh.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I bet you want Rosie to rivet some shit now.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, in this.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Case, the person who's debunking all of this audio evidence
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: is a writer named mel Ayton. And the thing about him,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: he was writing a book. It came out in two
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, so suspiciously close to when this tape
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: becomes public knowledge, because that was two thousand and four.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: And then in two thousand and seven, this guy publishes
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a book called The Forgotten Terrorist, Sir Hans Sirhan and
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, And as the title implies,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it is a book about how Sir Hans Sirhan definitely
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: acted alone.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Aron's ketchup says ketchup a vegetable.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly, And this guy was like, I reached out to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: my own audio experts and they all said, you can
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: maybe here seven or eight shots at best.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: My cousin Dave has garage band and.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: One of the things, like I've said a million times,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you can always find a scientist who will back up
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: your version of what you think physical evidence means.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Second Dead Kennedy's reference of the show track too plastic
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: surgery disasters will paid scientists, Thank you very much, Jello.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And you see that all the time. So in this case,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you have to ask yourself, who's got more motivation to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: lie here? Is it a CNN reporter who just turned
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: over this recording to a bunch of experts, and now
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: those experts are telling him what they heard all of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: his own personal time and dime, right, you know, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: he's not giving it to them and being like, hey,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: will you tell me if you hear twelve or thirteen
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: shots on this. He's just being like, tell me what
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you hear, And everyone he talked to came back and
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: was like, ten to thirteen shots, I think. So compare
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that to mel Ayton who is writing a book about
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: how Sirhan. Sirhan definitely acted alone. No second shooter who's
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: got more motivation to lie. It would undo his whole
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: book if that fucking tape turned out to actually show
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: ten to thirteen shots.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he doesn't and he doesn't want news that's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: gonna undo his whole book. He doesn't want He's got
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: an extreme case of confirmation by us here. He's almost done.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: He's like, let me just get this stupid audio expert
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: thing and then I can fucking sell this shit. Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: some fucking dad can read it on an airport.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And we'll link to an article where mel Ayton goes
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: into detail about the advanced techniques his researchers used, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this is what he lists. Oh, this is great one
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: listening analytically to the recording via high quality headphones. You
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: can stop right there because you're just saying he listened
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to the tape, that's it. That's not science.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: No, he was. He really is patting the words there
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: like he's trying to write an essay in middle school. Analytically, scientifically,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: carefully using the scientific method, UH strategically extracted data from
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the situation regarding the shooting using audio technical tools and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: abilities acquired by myself and my associations in the pursuit
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of knowledge.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You listen to it, Oh yeah, he didn't listen to
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: it through iPod earbuds in two thousand and seven with.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: His girlfriend with she had one on one side and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: he had one on the other side. That was the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: best part about middle school.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why I said. Yeah, like I
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: was in middle school on the iphid cam. Yeah, so
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: much better than my early twenties. So number two examining
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: visual representations of the recordings wave form again she.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Dropped it in the audacity.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just you pulled it up in an audio editing
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: program and went look at that. And then the last
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: one is analyzing spectrograms. So they did less work than
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Phil van Pragg did and somehow that ends up being
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: enough to get this idea of reopening the investigation shut down.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: A judge literally is like, yeah, but there's other experts
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: who say this guy's wrong, so I don't think we
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: need to look into it more.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: You see, when even the judge is just like reading
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the too long, didn't read click preview and he's not
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: even going through the whole thing It's like, how depressing
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: is that it's the truth doesn't even have a chance.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get that line of thinking, Well someone
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: said it's not true, so we don't have to look
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: into it. How do you know they're right and not
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the person? It's crazy and.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: There's nobody want to be the judge that reopened the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: RFK case. I mean to me, that would be a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: cool feather in my judge cap.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you this right now. Far FK Junior
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: can swing me a judge job somewhere, I'll absolutely reopen.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: The rubber stamped open and shut.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing I do. I'll even retire after that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What else where else would there be for you to go, Adam?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I mean no offense?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the peak. That's Mount Everest for a conspiracy
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: theory podcaster.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Unless we go and like steel Elvis's Bones or something.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean from Columbia Dignid DoD down in South America
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: where the Nazis have guarded them for hundreds of years.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: We did an episode about that place too, Colonia Dignid DoD.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good one.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: This is fucking wild.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think I fucked the girl who was from there
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: ooh nicely. Pretty scary.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You know people, there's people who still live there because
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: they're just so fucked up they can't live in regular society.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. So what's especially wild about all of this
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: is how long people have suspected something was strange about
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: this assassination. We covered that documentary on the last episode.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: That came out in fucking seventy three, so four years,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: five years after.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean held the pamphlet at the Ronald Reagan Library
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: came out the day after, came out the next day,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and that had a lot of interesting things in it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: They had that cute up and ready to go, which
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I still want someone to explain that shit to me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Also kind of like if Adam was assassinated and the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: next day I had really nice rip Adam Todd brown
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: T shirts for sale. It's like, I wonder, I wonder
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: if Connor had some.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just podcast ready to go, all the fucking details.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've gained control of the RSS feeds, so
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you know, that was good.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So what's also crazy is that damn near every step
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of the way, all the additional investigations people looking into this,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they've all determined that there was probably a second shooter.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: The only thing that points to there being one shooter
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: is they said there was. Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It's literally just the government being like, Nope, nothing to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: see here.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: It is just institutional gas lighting, yep.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And a really good example of that. In nineteen seventy five,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a judge in Los Angeles convened a panel of seven
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: forensic experts who examined three bullets from the shooting and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: compared them to bullets that they test fired from the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: gun Sir Hans Sirhan used. And those bullets were not
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: a match to Sir Hans Sirhan's gun, which that alone,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you would think would have reopened this fucking case. This
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five investigation is also the point in history
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: when it was noticed that there were bullet holes in
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the doorframe in the kitchen, and Sir Hans Sirhan had
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: eight bullets. History would have us believe three hit Kennedy,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: five hit other bystanders. That accounts for his eight bullets.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: So how did those bullets make it to the doorframe?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And this is where that lead investigator comes into play.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: His name is Dwayne Wolfer, and he argued that the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: metal inside those holes was not bullets be.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: A good name for a competitive eater. The Wolfer.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And the doorframes were eventually destroyed.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I know how you do with historic doorframes. Yeah, get
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: him out of here. They're taking up space. Earn that shit.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Give Sir Hans, Sirhans gun to Rafer Johnson, take those
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: doorframes down. Let's do some police shit.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it melted down, and make a statue for Israel.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I don't care of what, just as long as it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: You know what just dawned on me, Like last night,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Rosie Greer and Rafer Johnson were professional athletes who are
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: also very outspoken politically. You think they were hoping they
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: got shot too. I don't know, because Sir Hans, Sirhan's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: just shooting wildly. You know. Someone in the government was like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: get that fucking Grier guy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Like, while we're at it, let's see if we can
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: get Martin, Luther King and everybody we don't like in there.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Fucking try fecta.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Nom Trotsky's here having a dinner with Robert F. Kennedy.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: This nineteen seventy five panel concluded that Wolfer was sloppy
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: in his investigation and that case should be reopened, And
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I just want to point out that opinion is older
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: than I am. So so this is not conspiracy theory. Shit,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: This is a judge and a bunch of experts looking
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: into this and being like, reopen that shit fucking fifty
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: years ago.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy to call this a conspiracy theory
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: on some level when there is just such a deluge
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of shit.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this, I mean, I feel like more than any
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: other assassination, this is the one people should look at
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and be like, God, damn, the government is lying to us.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: This is kind of why you make all conspiracy theories
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: sound stupid, or you do everything you can to enable
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories sounding stupid, because it makes people ignorant and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: ignore details that are relevant and actually substantive in the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: case like this.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that I will always maintain is the most brilliant strategy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you want to call it, but
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: whoever decided, Oh, what we should do is stigmatize the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: phrase conspiracy theory. Then we don't have to respond to shit.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Then everything you just run it through Alex Jones. Then
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it gets discredited. Yeah, which is that's what tabloids do. Also,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: like tabloids, a lot of Times have a bunch of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: fake bullshit in them, but also like the National Inquirer
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: probably did the best coverage of the oj trial. The
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: National Inquirer solves the murder of Bill Cosby's son like
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: they published evidence and were like these guys and they
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: were fucking right, like that story was true. And that's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: one of the arguments, or one of the things people
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: claim about tabloids is that they exist for that reason.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So when someone is selling a story, the New York
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Times can be like, no, we're not gonna fuck with that,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and it gets kicked down to this outlet that people
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: don't trust, and the writer is like, I guess if
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: someone's going to publish it, that's fine. And then it
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: gets published by the New York Post and people are like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: it's New York Post. Yeah smart, it's very smart.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It is very smart. It's a good So the system works. Yeah. Yeah,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that's the phrase that I heard from the book by
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: by John Raw. It's either John Ronson or Ron Johnson,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and I can never fucking remember. I'm sorry. He wrote
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a great book called them Adventures with Extremists, and he
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: spends time with all of these people with different extreme beliefs.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He goes with the KKKS with this Muslim fundamentalist leader
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: in the UK, and he spent some time with Alex Jones.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: He actually goes to the Bohemian Grove with Alex Jones
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in this book. It's fucking fascinating. But in the beginning
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: he says, I think he might be it's heard in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the punch Bowl. He might be just someone that they
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: let do his thing to make the very medium he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: working in less legitimate.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: That is also what Bill Cooper said, the guy who
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: wrote a Hold of Pale Horse, he said that exact
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: thing about Alex Jones.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: He might have been quoting Bill Cooper.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh maybe, yeah, but he was like, that guy is
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: here to make us look like fucking idiots.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because Alex Jones is right every not even
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: every once in a while, every every nineteen things he's right,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know. It's he gets stuff right and has historically especially.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can find the other thing,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: but have I ever showed you this?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: No, what's that? Not a wax seal?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That is I bought a program from I think right
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: around the time George H. W. Bush was elected. But
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: it was a commemorative program from one of his appearances
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: at Bohemian Grove, like Bohemian Grove. You can buy Bohemian
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Grove shit on eBay.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's cool. The fuck have I been collecting
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: like an asshole?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And I bought this like announcement for George Bush appearing
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: at Bohemian Bohemian Grove, And when they sent it it
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: had this wax seal that is the Bohemian Grove logo.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: That's how the fucking envelope was seed and I have
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: kept that ship.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Your first appearance of Bohemian Grove, that's like, that's like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a deep state Kensignetta. Yeah, you know, that's when you
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: really become of age into your own when you speak
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: under Moloch's wings.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Like we talk about all this
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: shit and we criticize it, but the second someone's like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you want to go to be Bohemian Grove.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna go.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And here's the fuck up part. I think they would
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: like me. Yeah yeah, I probably bet.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I bet I could make a few friends. Yeah.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And so there are also this I think came up
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in the seventy five investigation. Also, there is a police
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: memo out there that literally says Kennedy and Wisel bullets
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: not fired from same gun. Wisel was the last name
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: of an ABC News producer who was hit in the shooting. Also,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: that same memo also says, quote Kennedy bullet not fired
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: from Sir Ham's revolver.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Conspiracy just another conspiracy theory from the police.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Police fucking lying about what really happened.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, they just want there to be
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: two shooters so they can spend more time not looking
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: for him, eating donuts.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, making overtime fucking crooks.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Who's the real crooks? That part's actually probably true. They
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: probably were scammon, they found someone scams some overtime off this.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Come on, they're cops, that's what they do for sure.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And just to add to the chorus of voices who
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: called for this investigation to be reopened over the years,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: let's talk about Paul Sharde. He at the time of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the assassination was the leader of the United.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: The Band at the David Letterman Show. No, that's probather
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: some fuck. Paul Schaefer.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Schaefer, Paul Schrade was shot in the goddamn forehead during
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the RFK assassin. Oh my god, but he got shot
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: with a twenty two, so it just lodged in this
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: fucking skull.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: That would At that point, I'm like, just fucking kill me,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: like owl, What hurts more than a bullet not piercing
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: your head? That sounds awful.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: There is in the article we'll link to, there's a
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: picture of him sitting in his hospital bed talking to reporters,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and the bandage around his head is fucking nuts.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I believe it.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: He looks like goddamn Frankenstein. But he's also just sitting
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: up in bed after having been shot in the head.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the bullet just fractured his skull, didn't enter
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: his brain.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, he looks like he's great. He looks like he's
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: growing some kind of super brain that can read minds
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: underneath this giant bandage.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And we met with reporters in his hospital room. He said, quote,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't see the gunman. There could have been one
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: or ten. And in the years after that he came
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to believe there were definitely more shooters. This is a
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: quote from Paul Schrade speaking to The Washington Post in
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. Yes he did shoot me, Yes he shot
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: four other people and aimed at Kennedy. The important thing
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: is he did not shoot Robert Kennedy. Why didn't they
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: go after the second gunman?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: End quote.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: He was so adamant about this, he tried suing the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: LAPD to try and force them to release their files.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: He lost in court. The LAPD fought that really hard,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and he then went on to become a very vocal
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: supporter of Sir Hans sir Han's quest to be paroled.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: He attended sir Han's fifteenth parole hearing in twenty sixteen and,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: according to the Associated Press, told him quote, I should
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: have been here long ago, and that's why I feel
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: guilty for not being here to help you and to
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: help me. And when sir Han left the hearing, Schrade shouted, quote,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry this is happening to you. It's my fault.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: End quote. I think he's been a little hard on
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: himself a little bit, but he's you can see, he's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: a sweet guy. Yeah. And here's the thing. If you're
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a skeptic, if you're one of these people who, well,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: all these other experts said that it's not real. This
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: guy was in the room. He is one of the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: people who got fucking shot. He's a witness. He was there.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: You have to believe him.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He witnessed that shit with his face.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta take his word into account more than
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: some fuck face in the UK who was like sad
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: was like only seven Shultz to me, mate, Yeah, like
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: stay out of it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I'll put it in the fl studio. And I couldn't
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: find any more than seven impacts.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Like mind's your business, This USA business, sir.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: God fucking United Kingdom out of here.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Later in life, Paul Shred was instrumental in the success
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: of a campaign to build a school at the former
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: site of the Ambassador Hotel. Robert F.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Kennedy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: School's complex opened in twenty ten, most expensive school built
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: in the US at the time, six hundred million dollars.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: The library is named after Paul Shrad m isn't that nice?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Good for him. I would argue worth getting shot in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the forehead to have a library at a fucking school
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: in LA named after you.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, he lived to be like ninety seven. You know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I think he did all he did, Okay.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah he did. He died very recently, I think twenty
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: twenty two something.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Like that, and he still sounded better than RFK junior.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he sounds better than RFK junior.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, probably does so.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, the FBI did what the f b
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I does and they entered this fray and issued a
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: report of examination that actually contradicted all the experts on
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: every side. They said the tape was quote of insufficient
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: quality to definitively classify the impulse events as gunshots, confirmed
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the number of gunshots, or determined the identification of specific
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: weapons end quote. Bill Van Pragg says they used antiquated
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: technology to reach those findings, and that they also never
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: reached out to him about his findings.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? They used the best programs
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of Windows ninety eight could run.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they listened to it through high quality headphones there.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: These were Skull Candy earbuds. They were very good beats.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: By dre on ear headphone, Okay studio. Brad Johnson, the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: CNN reporter who first found this tape, said, quote the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Bureau's examination was incomplete and its report was incoclin elusive,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and added it doesn't rise to the level of the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: FBI in doing serious work. They phoned it in without
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: picking up the phone and calling Van Pragg. That is
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: crazy that they didn't reach out to this guy at least, Yeah,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: because like.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: If nothing else, it's like, hey, mister debunker, debunk is
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: fucking shit, then look at what he did and debunk it.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Then you fucker like, if you're all about debunking shit,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: take a look at it, bitch.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: And I think all of that is just it's so
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: obvious that there is a cover up here, but it's
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: been so long that what the fuck's ever gonna come
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of it? I mean, the best chance we have of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: this being reopened kind of RFK being oh yeah in
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the Whitehouse, RFK Junior.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's uh strange bedfellows? Are we conspiracy the show
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and the RFK Junior That's right, Yeah, we are on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the same page about exactly one thing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: And RFK Junior has a sister who is Is she hot? No,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: she's a Kennedy kind of only a man or. She
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: also thinks her dad was killed by someone other than
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans. Sir Hans, so it's not just the crazy
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Kennedy kids, because she's like a what, God damn it
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: did I not put her? I can find it. I'm
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: good at research.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Carrie Kennedy Kathleen Kennedy.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, who is not. She was Lieutenant governor
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: of Maryland from ninety five to two thousand and three,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: ran for governor of Maryland in two thousand and two.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: She also does not think Sir Hans Sir Han killed
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: her father. So it's not just RFK Junior that thinks
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: there's something weird here. He thinks it was the CIA,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: which that's got to be uncomfortable being the CIA shown
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: up to a meeting with our cage junior these days.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Right, So what do you want to talk about?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Your dad killed his dad. Yeah, your fucking nepotism dad
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: killed his nepotism dad, and now you're still here in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the halls of power, just awkwardly avoiding.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Gotta have an awkward sit down with Ted Cruiz. I
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: know what your dad did, Zodiac killer, Ted Cruise, Yeah exactly.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that is kind of the boat
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: we're in. A broken clock is right twice a day.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with RFK Junior that this should fucking
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: be reopened. Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We thank you for your support, Adam, and we appreciate
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to find journalism be doing at the program. That's too melodious.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I can't make my voice sound bad enough. Yeah, you
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: gotta start smoking again. You gotta like.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Oh man, RFK Junior, that fucking guy. I still want
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: to know why there is a memo about tetanus vaccinations
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in the middle of these RFK files. I still have
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: not found an explanation for that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I would not rule out sheer negligence.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Or the vaccine industry killed RFK Junior on some time
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: travel shit.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: They just HAVEN'TRFK knowing.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It's very complicated.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: They tried to kill him by killing RFK, but they
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: didn't go back in time far enough you'd already had
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the kid.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just sloppy research. He's not born yet, right, kill
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: him now. You're the worst looper we have ever hired.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this will probably never be reopened, but it
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: should be. It absolutely should be.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Real heads, No, what's up? I mean, it's it's it's
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: like Epstein, He's fucking massad. We know, you know, it's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: like this was this was the goddamn people that got
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the other Kennedy. I mean, it's not that mysterious any
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: when you look at all this shit, really is it?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: You know? I mean the fucking guys that were trying
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to give rid of all the secret societies that they
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: said so in the speeches, and then the secret societies
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: killed him. I mean, it's if you feel like a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: loon repeating it over and over again, but it's like, fuck,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want from me? This is
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like the fucking If JFK is the hydrogen of theories,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: then this is the helium. It's it's right, that's the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: very fundamental on the periodic chart.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: And if you think about okay, so let's say the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: same group of people who killed JFK killed RFK. If
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: you think about them constantly. After this happened, people were saying, well,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: we don't want another JFK. We don't want another Dallas
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: situation where people have all these questions. It makes all
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the sense in the world to do it in a
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: small room with a bunch of witnesses so everyone can
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: be like that guy, Sir Hans Sirhan he was the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: one shooting obviously, yeah, because then you would think, well,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: we're not going to have any questions. But then you
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: shoot RFK right behind the fucking ear. That's where they
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: fucked up. Like I think they just fucked up, Like
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: whoever shot RFK should have done it from a little
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: more of a distance and instead shot him in the
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: fucking head execution style, and Sir Hans, Sir Han just
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: never got that close.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So I think they just fucked up, and they very
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: successfully shoved the narrative through.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say they fucked up, but they got away
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, yeah, they achieved their aims. But like conspiracy,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the show listeners, don't let them ever tell you that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: they didn't fuck up. Okay, Like, remember all the shit
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you heard like it was weird, you were right to think,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah this is this one's so obvious, and
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll do other RFK episodes. But I am
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I'm so fucking I was convinced before I looked at
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: all these files, but now there's just so much in there.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: There's throughout history. We have six decades worth of people
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: looking into this case and being like, there was another
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: shooter and this needs to be reopened. And it's not
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists, it's fucking cops, it's judges, it's it's the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: family of the fucking victim, family of the victim, CNN reporters,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: everyone who looks into this shit is like there were
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: two people shooting, and the only people who say there
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: weren't are the government and the cops. Everyone else seems
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: pretty convinced. You mean, my dad, the government and the cops.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: But I love them exactly.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: They keep me safe.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know what the next episode will
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: be about. I'm gonna dig back into the files, and
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna make every episode about RFK. But we
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: could clearly, Yeah, we definitely could. There's enough And I
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: haven't even looked at the JFK files.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: But on the next episode, RFGA what was he?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: But a friend of mine texted me about the JFK
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: files and was like, so it says Lee Harvey Oswald
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: was CIA. It says that, Huh, that's quite a revelation
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: if that's in there, Like, how is that not on
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: the nightly news every fucking day right now?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, do we just not give a fuck anymore?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Does it have to be like a gorilla juggling or
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: something you were you know, and AI grandma is selling
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you jewelry? Like is is everything just horrible?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's the same as all those UFO videos
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that the government keeps trying to show us, and we're like,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: are they going to get Trump out office? Do they
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: have a COVID vaccine? Yeah?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Well they make free energy so that we can fucking
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: stop with this paranigm of oil and war.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can they give me a ride to work because
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I can't afford gas? Then no, I don't give a
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: shit about UFOs.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Can they at least do that thing that they did
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: at Scandia or they'd spin really fast and it would
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: stick me to the walls with centrifugal force, because I
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: would settle for that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: And I think it's kind of the same thing here,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: like this is the perfect time to release these fucking
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: files because it is absolute chaos in this country right now.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You know that, I'm thinking about something I used to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: bring up on Conspiracy Show all the time, which was
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the definition of propaganda that I like so much, which
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: was that which seeks to exhaust critical thinking and annihilate
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: the truth. And there's just so much goddamn news now,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it's like it's simply nobody fucking has time to surround
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and come up with an informed opinion about whatever. The fuck. Yeah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like you're demanded to have an opinion of
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the RFK with the whale and every you know, it's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: every five seconds or anything. So yeah, I mean, of.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Course, shit like this gets slipped through the cracks.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I guess phrase.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And I feel like there was a time in history
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: where these files being released would have been a thing.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: The news outlets of the world would have actually like.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: In like ninety seven, yeah for sure.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like seventies, eighties, any of that, when motherfuckers
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: were doing actual journalism.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, anytime when the Hunter S. Thompson still
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: had his mental faculties, it would have been game on.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, back when people were actually challenging the government
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: in the media. But that ship has sailed, so now
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you just got me encounter. Sorry, yeah, I know.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Now it's just like now everything's a big fun contest
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of who's the best. It's sucking up to the government, Yeah, yeah,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it sure is. Buy this meme coin retweet and.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: This is our way to suck up to the government
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: without really doing.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It, because the government of China maybe.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: So that's our episode. Connor, thank you so much for
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: doing the pod. As always, what do we have to
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: plug before we get out of here? Follow me on
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Blue Sky. I guess Adam Todd Brown dot Besky dot social.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: What do you got to plug?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you want to see my less
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: serious side, you can watch my comedy special Live and
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Tucson on YouTube dot com. Connor mcspadden's channel Very Funny Stuff,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and listen to my comedy podcast Mean Boys a cavalcadd
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: comedy fun with sketches, monologue, jokes, games and more.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very fun. I've been on it before and I
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: think that's it. Let's get the fuck out of here.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Connor say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: We love you.
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