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Dick Starr: Art, Movies and Jerky · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 6: Beef jerky time. You want some beef jerky? What's up
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  Speaker 6: and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian and we
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  Speaker 6: Oddity Studios. And I have a special guest. I guess
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  Speaker 6: we can just throw it out there as Dick Starr.
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  Speaker 3: So because you.
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  Speaker 6: I've known you for years and years. I was thinking earlier,
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  Speaker 6: and I was like, it's been a long time we've
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  Speaker 6: been sort of in the same circles, but.
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  Speaker 3: I'd say probably closer to a decade.
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  Speaker 6: At least, I would say, yeah. But oddly enough, this
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  Speaker 6: is the first time you're on the show, so I
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  Speaker 6: thought I guess we'll lead in with... It's.
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  Speaker 5: Time for another installment of The Art of Being a
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  Speaker 5: Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess we'll start off with kind of the
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  Speaker 3: art end of things.
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  Speaker 6: Um, you are an artist. Do you have very specific
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  Speaker 6: ways that you describe what it is that you do?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, years ago I used to try and
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  Speaker 3: be the horror guy or I would say, you know, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, cause I did a lot of the, the
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  Speaker 3: celebrity death stuff when I was coming up or starting.
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  Speaker 3: And so now I, I try not to pigeonhole myself
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  Speaker 3: into the.
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  Speaker 6: Whole, probably in the long run better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Nowadays it's more just like, hey, what are you looking for?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because I've got pop culture
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  Speaker 3: type stuff. I've got punk type stuff. There's horror things.
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  Speaker 3: There's stuff for kids. And then I do a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the vegan jerky stuff now. And, you know, album
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  Speaker 3: covers still. And so there's still, I mean, a good
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  Speaker 3: amount of diversity now.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't really have like one particular style. And
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  Speaker 3: it's fun because some people will actually, you know, they'll
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  Speaker 3: message me about a piece and then they'll say, they'll
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  Speaker 3: accompany it with two or three of my other pieces
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  Speaker 3: and go, Something in this style. Yeah. And so then
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  Speaker 3: that way they can kind of pick and choose too.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, cool. I know what they want.
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  Speaker 6: You do have a super distinct style. Do you, is
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  Speaker 6: it like specifically one type of medium that you always
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  Speaker 6: use or can you kind of go back and forth
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  Speaker 6: to different things?
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  Speaker 3: I have to go back and forth. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: years and years ago it started to get where it
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of Photoshop stuff, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of like, or digital, you know, cleanup and all that
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff started getting involved. And I just have
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  Speaker 3: the basic knowledge of Photoshop. I do not, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: familiar with.
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  Speaker 6: I barely learned that. And then I've forgotten it all
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  Speaker 6: since then.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and everything you learn is probably obsolete.
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  Speaker 6: Six months later, it's constantly overtaken by a new system anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I definitely, I have to have to
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  Speaker 3: paint and draw physically. So there, you know, even right
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  Speaker 3: now I've been doing a bunch of sketches, six by
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  Speaker 3: eight sketches, and they're all going to be hand painted
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  Speaker 3: with markers and watercolor paints. And then, acrylic touch-ups and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that have been inked with full-on pens. But
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  Speaker 3: then just two nights ago, three nights ago, I was
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  Speaker 3: editing an image that is completely done on my tablet
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  Speaker 3: in Procreate. It's completely digital. It didn't even start off
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  Speaker 3: as a pencil. See that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't even know how to process that. What
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  Speaker 6: little art I've done, which for a while was quite
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  Speaker 6: a bit. Now it's almost never. But even then, I
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  Speaker 6: only process it... through starting with nothing, and then even then,
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  Speaker 6: because mine's, again, so, I don't know, juvenile, then it
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  Speaker 6: becomes a process. The only way I can ever get
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  Speaker 6: it to where I want it is by constantly fighting
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  Speaker 6: with it in a physical way.
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  Speaker 3: So to be able to start.
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  Speaker 6: And again, what little I've messed with, I can clean
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  Speaker 6: up stuff on the digital version, but I don't know
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  Speaker 6: how to start from scratch that way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay. the best thing now, you can actually even
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  Speaker 3: draw a sketch on your pad and then take a
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  Speaker 3: picture with your tablet and then set up a new
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  Speaker 3: layer on top of it and do all your inking.
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  Speaker 6: Even that, I can understand that being a real thing.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I do know some people that just all
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  Speaker 6: of their stuff is start with nothing on nothing but
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  Speaker 6: a tablet.
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  Speaker 3: Again, now they've gotten.
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  Speaker 6: Decent pens that you can use, but originally it was
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  Speaker 6: like trying to use a mouse or a pad.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly it.
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  Speaker 6: It's rough for me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm watching people that are like 15 years old pumping
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  Speaker 3: out incredible– I'm like.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 3: I hate you, kids. No, I mean it's like, wow.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you're great, but I hate you. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 3: I got to really keep up with technology. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean to survive at this point, you kind of
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  Speaker 6: have to.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, you just notice how everything that you do–
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  Speaker 3: I mean as an artist, I'm sure– This goes for music, film, books,
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  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Everything you do, if
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  Speaker 3: you keep doing it, 10 years from now, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to look back at what you did previously and go, ooh, yeesh, man,
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  Speaker 3: I was still... Or that's when I didn't know about this.
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  Speaker 6: Even this. I can't listen to old episodes because they
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  Speaker 6: sound like shit. And if you guys go back and
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  Speaker 6: listen to them, it's not my fault. I apologize, but
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  Speaker 6: I had.
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  Speaker 3: The wrong equipment.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't know I was using the wrong equipment. I
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  Speaker 6: didn't know how to clean it up. Some of it
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  Speaker 6: you can't even clean up after the fact when you're
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  Speaker 6: doing it wrong to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 6: Like there's so much stuff even in that stupid world
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  Speaker 6: that I'm just like I can't go back and listen
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  Speaker 6: to that anymore. I'm like, oh, what the hell? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and it's not that you weren't good at what
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  Speaker 3: you were doing. You just haven't picked up certain elements
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  Speaker 3: of– It's a process. I mean, totally. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 3: Look at how many actors turn into writers, directors because
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  Speaker 3: they're on set all the time. They're watching other people
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  Speaker 3: in action and they're being given direction by– but now
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  Speaker 3: they know what they're doing, too.
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  Speaker 6: And they don't do it as much now, but I
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  Speaker 6: remember back... Again, we were talking about being old people.
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  Speaker 6: Back in the olden days, there used to be tons
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  Speaker 6: of soap operas on in the middle of the day.
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  Speaker 3: That was like.
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  Speaker 6: That's where you cut your teeth. You would come in,
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  Speaker 6: and those were like... non-stop you were five days a
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  Speaker 6: week you were in there you were kind of like
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  Speaker 6: and when they look back at those early days they
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  Speaker 6: have to know they.
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  Speaker 3: Sucked but like it is such a.
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  Speaker 6: Process that it would like wear you down to like
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  Speaker 6: by the time you left that show and started getting
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  Speaker 6: movie gigs or whatever like you were professional because it
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  Speaker 6: just wore you out and they showed you the ropes
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  Speaker 6: whether you liked it or not we're like now you
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  Speaker 6: do have kids that just sort of jump into it
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  Speaker 6: on youtube and like again i guess they learn their
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  Speaker 6: own way but there's a lot of that structure that
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  Speaker 6: used to be the old school, like studio systems and
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  Speaker 6: stuff is kind of died. So everybody's kind of learning
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  Speaker 6: on the fly.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's also, so some are, especially nowadays, I
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  Speaker 3: feel some things are so quickly and easily attainable by,
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  Speaker 3: by a fluke or by a, you know, just by
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  Speaker 3: the right time, right place, whatever. Whereas man, you know,
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  Speaker 3: even in like the pro wrestling world, I've, I've heard
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  Speaker 3: this a lot from, you know, guys talking on podcasts
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. Years and years ago, 20 years ago, if
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  Speaker 3: you were trying to make it in wrestling, dude, you
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  Speaker 3: were changing in a.
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  Speaker 6: Hallway at a high school gymnasium.
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  Speaker 3: A closet somewhere, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, it was... You were on the road
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  Speaker 3: with four other guys in a little car. You were
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  Speaker 3: each making $ 50 for a three-hour road trip to wrestle
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  Speaker 3: and hurt yourself.
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  Speaker 6: And injuring yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right.
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  Speaker 8: Massively.
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  Speaker 6: And then nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: There are wrestlers that, I mean, and they, back in
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  Speaker 3: the day, even if you broke a finger in the ring,
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  Speaker 3: guess what? You finish the match and then you go
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  Speaker 3: out and you get taped up.
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  Speaker 6: You probably tape it up yourself. Cause you can't afford
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  Speaker 6: to go to a hospital.
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  Speaker 3: There were guys that would pop their fingers back and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, no, but that's the thing. Nowadays they're, they've,
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  Speaker 3: they're so catered to. And some of them haven't had
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  Speaker 3: to wrestle for 18 years to get to the main level.
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  Speaker 3: So they're like, Oh hell no, I'm not doing that
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  Speaker 3: fucking thing. Or I'm not going to put this guy.
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, dude, shut your mouth, do your job
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  Speaker 3: and get the fuck out of here. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean? Because you just don't, I feel like.
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  Speaker 6: None of it exists at the old level, like the
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  Speaker 6: shit they used to do. And I wasn't even hardcore
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  Speaker 6: into wrestling, but I just think back of what I
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  Speaker 6: was watching as a kid. And then lately I've been
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  Speaker 6: hearing stories and I'm just like, yeah, it was fucking hardcore.
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  Speaker 6: Like whether you cared about wrestling or not, like if
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  Speaker 6: you just acknowledge what they put themselves through physically, like,
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  Speaker 6: It was brutal. Whereas now, I don't think you can
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  Speaker 6: get away with that kind of stuff. There's a level
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  Speaker 6: that it's still... I mean, you still hurt yourself, but
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  Speaker 6: it's not like it used to be.
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  Speaker 3: There's always going to be injuries. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: at the professional levels, the higher levels, they're not cutting
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  Speaker 3: themselves a bunch anymore. They're not like... They're not even...
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  Speaker 3: A lot of companies aren't doing headshots with chairs anymore because...
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  Speaker 3: guys are dying at 30 and 40 years old, you know?
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  Speaker 6: Because they weren't faking that. Like, back in the day,
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  Speaker 6: you just took a shot to the head with a
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  Speaker 6: metal chair and dealt with it. Yes, and it was
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  Speaker 6: because pulled it a little, but not that much. You
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  Speaker 6: still got hit with a metal chair. Again, I was
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  Speaker 6: listening to another show and they went on a weird
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  Speaker 6: tangent about wrestling. Again, I wasn't huge into Piper back
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  Speaker 6: in the day, but at some point I met him
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  Speaker 6: at one of the shows.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about him on this show.
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  Speaker 6: And they started talking about him back when he first
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  Speaker 6: started and how hardcore it was. And I'm assuming you're
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  Speaker 6: a fan. You've seen the broken bottle bit that he
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  Speaker 6: used to do. Oh, the coconut.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no. The beer bottle. Oh, okay. If you haven't,
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  Speaker 3: it's on YouTube. For the love of God.
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  Speaker 6: It was before he started getting even the Hogan level
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  Speaker 6: of getting into mainstream.
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  Speaker 3: It was right before that broke.
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  Speaker 6: And he came out there, and you could tell he
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  Speaker 6: had this planned ahead of time, but he got out
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  Speaker 6: there on the mic to talk shit to one of
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  Speaker 6: the other guys, whatever team they're fighting against. It's him
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  Speaker 6: and some other guy. And he's like, let me tell
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  Speaker 6: you something. And he's holding a beer bottle, fucking just
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  Speaker 6: smashes it into his skull. And blood is pouring down
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  Speaker 6: his face, and he just looks into the camera and
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  Speaker 6: points at him.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, you guys don't know how to do it.
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  Speaker 6: And just delivering the– and I was just like, dude,
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  Speaker 6: if there's a mic drop, there's blood pouring out of
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  Speaker 6: your head.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to have to look that one up.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no. Yeah, I've never seen it before, but I'm
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  Speaker 6: like I'm sure Piper fans know it because it's like– Well,
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  Speaker 6: they have. There's a couple– I think I found another
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  Speaker 6: one that's an offshoot, but there's one where it's just
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  Speaker 6: like he is– so again, I think he did it
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  Speaker 6: more than once. Like that was a thing that he did.
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  Speaker 6: He realized my head's just hard enough to break a
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  Speaker 6: beer bottle full of beer. Like a full beer bottle
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  Speaker 6: that he just smashes directly into his skull. And I'm
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  Speaker 6: just like, oh my God, you guys are insane. So
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  Speaker 6: that's why I'm like, that shit doesn't go on now.
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  Speaker 6: That stuff would not be allowed to fly these days.
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  Speaker 5: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember specifically that coconut spot thinking that
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  Speaker 3: was the legendary headshot that cut somebody.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And it was... I didn't watch it during those years,
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  Speaker 3: but you watch those clips now, and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: hell no. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: They just, no. So a weird wrestling tangent. But again,
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  Speaker 6: I haven't discussed that with anybody, and I figured you
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  Speaker 6: would at least appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Because it is amazing just what weird character that he
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  Speaker 6: was to watch him be that unhinged. He's like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't care. This is my job.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to do this. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: have to go look that up. Again, tonight I will
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  Speaker 3: be looking that up. It's worth watching. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 6: Even if you don't care about wrestling, he's a hell
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  Speaker 6: of a character. They live aside.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, they live was fun. They live is great.
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  Speaker 6: I've, and I've said it many times on this show.
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  Speaker 6: I think they live as a better concept than that
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  Speaker 6: movie is like, I think that movie gets so caught
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  Speaker 6: up in the wrestling and the silliness of it that
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, the idea is genius. There's a reason we
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  Speaker 6: still are wearing those t-shirts and making those references because
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  Speaker 6: that's a great sci-fi concept that like, If ever there's
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  Speaker 6: something that I'd be okay with them doing a remake,
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  Speaker 6: they could easily do a really smart remake of that. Dude,
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  Speaker 6: for sure. And now, I mean, we're living in a
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  Speaker 6: time when we kind of need it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, and it's more relevant now than it ever was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it ever was.
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  Speaker 3: Totally. But again, you know, the fight scene with him
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  Speaker 3: and Keith David, was it? It just went for like 15,
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  Speaker 3: 20 minutes long. It's ridiculous. It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why I'm like, I love it as the
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  Speaker 6: ridiculous level of movie geekdom.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's the same.
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  Speaker 6: But it's not a great movie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 6: No. For those reasons.
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  Speaker 3: I see. Yeah. But, again, isn't it John Carpenter, too, though? So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's got all the elements that you need
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  Speaker 3: for something to click. Yeah. For it to become some
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  Speaker 3: sort of a, what is it, pop culture kind of,
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  Speaker 3: you know. iconic movie even if it's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: cheeseball because look man i one of my comfort films
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  Speaker 3: uh is halloween the original like i can throw that
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  Speaker 3: on and go to sleep i can throw that on
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: uh if i'm trying to meditate you know that's most.
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  Speaker 6: Horror people go to you know it's like the original
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  Speaker 6: halloween is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: But that's just it if if you show it to
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  Speaker 3: somebody now that for the first time if they're a
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  Speaker 3: 20 or a 15 year old you show to him
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  Speaker 3: now they're like this is boring.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of that, especially with the new
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  Speaker 6: Halloween that just came out because we all had problems
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  Speaker 6: with it, but we were all of the previous generation.
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  Speaker 6: So I think we were coming at it from such
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  Speaker 6: a different level, but I'm like, it has to be
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  Speaker 6: different because this one is like immediately... Way more getting
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  Speaker 6: to action and murder where it's like that first Halloween.
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  Speaker 6: First of all, the body counts like three.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Oh, and there's virtually no blood.
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  Speaker 6: Minus the people in the beginning or a dog that
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  Speaker 6: I don't support that anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: But like in general, I'm like, it's minimal body count,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of downtime. It's all build up before the
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  Speaker 6: night kicks in. So I'm like.
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  Speaker 3: To me, that's what makes it so great.
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  Speaker 6: But for people that are just, again, maybe it's an
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  Speaker 6: attention span thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it totally is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: With the music combined with the setting, the mood, the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the movie still just warms my soul.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the difference is I really think, I don't know, nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: But even with the new Halloween. I liked it.
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  Speaker 6: I liked it a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like it a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I think it was fun. Again, to me, it was like,
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  Speaker 6: it's a good Halloween movie. But again, I put it
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: as much as all the other ones that I don't
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: think are first movie genius level. I'm like, they're entertaining.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: They're fine.
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: But they have problems. They all do.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Michael Myers is my go-to. He's one
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: of my all-time favorites.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: And with.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: the last i was trying to think of the last
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: halloween film that i really liked and i think it
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: was h2o when i was in high.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: School i want to revisit it because i i watched
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: all of them pretty much but i don't remember like
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: h2o was like when it came out like that's the
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: last time i watched so i remember parts of it
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: but i'm like it's been so long all the details
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: was you know like the the hunk And they got
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: Jamie Lee Curtis to come back for the first time
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: in 20 years. She's not afraid to do that, so
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: it seems. But that's the thing.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: She wouldn't touch the Halloween franchise because she was off
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: being Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm a real actress now. Dude, yeah.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: They tried to get her back, and she just wouldn't
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: do it. So then when they finally did with H2O,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh. And the movie was done all right.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: If you go back and watch it, it's got a
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: lot of 90s tropes, but it is done like a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Halloween movie. It's a decent film. But then.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: You get to, what, Resurrection? And it is the worst
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: piece of shit you could ever... Like, you have... Who
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: was it? Busta Rhymes is like Kung Fu fighting Michael Myers. Like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: karate kicking and doing... Like, that kind of sound effect.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: That's everybody's go-to on why they hate that movie. Dude,
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: all it takes is like... Buster, Kung Fu, what?
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: No, like, look, they put LL Cool J in H2O,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: and he was great.
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: And we were fine with it. He fit the role fine.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. He's not winning awards, but he fit
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: the role perfectly.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: He's fine at doing what he does. Even on his
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: dumb TV show now, I'm like, he's good at it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: He didn't come out with Kangol. gear on and like
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: you know rapping like he was ll cool j playing
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: ll dude that's why busta was such a horrible but
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: then it had tyra banks and then they're in a
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: room like like making a latte with foam and and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: it's like you're in a run-down house in the middle
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: i hated it it was one of those movies where
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: i see it and then when i re-watched it in
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the last two years I remember Jamie Lee Curtis came
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: back to be killed off, I think, at the beginning
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: of that movie.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: That's what I... Again, that's the one I remember nothing about,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: which I feel like I watched it at the time,
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: but I don't remember anything about that one.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is horrible.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: So I want to go re-watch it almost for novelty purposes. Oh,
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: it is fantastic to throw on in the background.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Dude, listen. Do you remember when I would come in
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: to Wild and the Wooly?
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: I had... There were two or three people there that
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: would regularly... Like Wayne and.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: This is back in the video store days, guys. For you,
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: back in the olden days, there was a.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Store you had to go to to.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Rent your movies.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: To pay money for individual films that you got to
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: carry home.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: There was no streaming unless you owned the movies.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: You just didn't watch them.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Or you're waiting until cable played one of five movies
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: that they owned and bleeped over and over again.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And it would not be the extended foreign version.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: The, you know, like.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: The secret B-movie version that you never knew existed.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the thing.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Dude, I rented so many things that were so bad.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: And that's part of the charm is like I love
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: finding the worst movies. Like if you have a Roku
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: stick and you go through any number of the 30
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: or 40 grindhouse horror whatever. Dude, there are so many
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: gems that are so awful, but they're done with 100% conviction. Well,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: especially if they're older.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: Like, I've gotten to where I love kind of watching that, like,
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: 60s to 70s, even midway into, like... even into the 80s,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: midway into the 90s, everything starts to change. When you
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: got your straight-to-DVD, they started getting cheaper and more horrible.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: But there's an art form to that, but people back
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: then were taking it seriously. Very much. Now, everything that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: a bad movie, it's like they know it, they're trying
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: to make a bad movie, and it's not fun. But
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: there's an earnestness to those 70s and 80s horror movies
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: that you're like, oh my god, they're taking this so seriously,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: and this is the dumbest premise ever, but There's so
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: much love in what they're doing that I can't not
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: appreciate it and kind of love it in my own
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: messed up way because I'm like, they made this movie.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: And they're not shitting on the material that is worthy
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: of being shitted.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: It might be terrible, but you guys treated it with respect,
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: so I kind of have to approach it that way. Yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are still.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: Occasionally some that make it through that people still seem
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: to love what they're doing, but there's a lot of
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: crap that gets made. And they know it's crap, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: that's the part that bothers me.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Well, but I really think it's just like music and
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: stuff too, man. Anyone that tells me– I'm not one
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: of those guys that is like, oh man, music sucks
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: these days. Because first of all, there are 10 million
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: more bands out there than there ever were when I
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: was a kid.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: So– And they're all accessible now. Yes. Before, if it
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: was an offshoot band, you'd have to borrow a cassette
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: tape from your friend that lived in the West Coast.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: And now it's just like, oh, hang on.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Type, type, type.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: And here's 48 bands I've never heard of that are amazing.
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And so you have a massive field to choose from.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: So there's going to be a ton of bullshit. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: But there's also going to be those gems in every
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: single field.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: There are people, filmmakers, writers, directors, people that are really dedicated.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Do you know who Antonio Pantoja is? I don't know. Man,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: he just directed a movie. I can't wait to see it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: It premiered at Horror Hound this past month, but it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: going to be having its Louisville premiere, I think, later
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: this month. Okay. Man, he started off doing photography. You
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? And he's got really incredible... I mean,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: he can do it for hire, for companies, for weddings,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: but he also does his own framing, his own sort
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: of surreal kind of photography for himself, which ended up
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: going into movie making and filmmaking. And now he's got
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: his first full-length feature film. And I mean, dude, I
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: know he's so dedicated to the craft that I'm literally
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: waiting to see this movie. And know nothing about it, really.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? But that's just the thing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: He's one of a thousand filmmakers that I'm sure are
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: dedicated as hell.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: That's the other difference with now, is not only is
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: everything accessible, but everybody has, even like I said earlier,
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: with this technology, I'm just like, With a small investment,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: you can get stuff that puts out almost professional level.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: If you're talking music still, if we're talking film, you
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: can shoot. Again, there's theatrical films being shot on an
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: iPhone now. It's stuff that anybody has access to that technology.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: So that same way that we just said, you're going
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: to get a lot of garbage because kids.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Don't know what they're doing and they're just screwing around.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: But when the super talented kids come along and just like, oh,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: well now, you know, in the 70s, you'd be like, oh,
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: I got to spend 20 years working in a crappy
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: little like, you know, industry and doing catering jobs and
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: like working my way up to being a grip and
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: like you'd have to fight your way through where now
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: it's like if you're a super smart, talented kid. You
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: get yourself a phone. You go make yourself a movie.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: If you know what you're doing, you can edit it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: You can put special effects in. You can actually make
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: a good, watchable movie on your own with your friends.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And you don't need a million-dollar studio anymore to record.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: your debut song or even to get two songs out there.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: You don't have to go and pay some guy thousands
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: of dollars to get a full album recorded.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, dude. There's no demo. You just push record on
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: your computer and start doing your work.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And years and years ago when I was in college,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I attempted to do music. And so I won't even
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: go into that aspect of it. But I will say this.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: This was before... All sorts of technological advances when it
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: came to that. We had... a stereo in my room
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: with two cassette decks a cd burner built in and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a three disc changer on top then we had that
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: connected to my roommate's uh computer or not computer but
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: my roommate's uh stereo then we had my buddy's computer
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: connected to that and dude it was so hard everything
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: was like stop oh damn it hold on rewind that
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: okay let's go back to and then we were transferring
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: it to like cassettes we were i mean it was
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: horrible And we still made shit happen because we kind
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: of wanted to get it done.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Or we really did. And I feel like now, if
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: you've got a kid who's a prodigy, who's just waiting
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to have this at his fingertips, this at his fingertips,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: or she can get this to work with or paint
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: with or whatever. Dude, I see people that, I'm not joking,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: are in their teens and they are going to be
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: blowing up. everyone else away within the next two to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: three and you're just like jesus man like how how
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: is this you know like how am i going to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: be losing jobs to like 10 year olds in the next.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: But i can't you know i can't blame anyone but
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: me i guess because they figured out how to do
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: it so yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: It's great i i mean i just think that i
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: think technology is making things great my whole point is
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: that there's always going to be somebody that's striving to
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: make the best thing that they can make yeah and
• 24:40
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• 24:43
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  Speaker 6: see people trying to throw it together, but there's something
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: about the old cut and paste kitchen table version of
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: it that used to happen in Versus now, I mean,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: even the ones I see, usually they're just kind of
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: slapped together with a computer and printed out. It's just
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: a different level of commitment. Yeah, that's when we were
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: describing the cassette decks. But I remember even doing that
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: with my attempt at a magazine, which, again, was what
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: led into this show. Even then, it was a little
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: more polished than some of the ones I'd seen, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: it was still.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: You could tell what a labor of love it was
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: because it was just so pieced together from all these
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: things that I didn't really know how to do. Once again,
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: just sort of on the fly, like, I want to
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: do this, so I'm going to figure out how to
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: do this. And I think kids are still doing that now.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: So I don't want to be the angry old man going,
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: you kids don't understand.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: But it's just such.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Different technology at work.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's the other way.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: I don't think we can comprehend what they're doing now.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: I think there's a different aspect to what's up and
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: coming that is just we are clueless about the way
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: that they're approaching it because we came from such a
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: different perspective.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's like my brother unearthed some old
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: video footage that my dad made when he got his
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: first camcorder. And you're talking like late 70s and maybe
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: even like 80 or whatever. But in this... Everybody in
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: the room is staring at the television, watching, going, oh,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: check it out. That's us.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: And that was mind-blowing to them. That they had the
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: ability to hold a camera and point it at somebody
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: like the professionals. So now, our norm is, oh, yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: we have a fucking camera on everything. Like, cameras don't
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: mean shit to anyone. Do you remember when you had
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: to give a... You take a disposable camera, do a
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: damn Walgreens or something.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking that the other day. You used
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: to have to wait to get your photos back.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Dude, it would be like you had to pay extra
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to get it in two days or something.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Which I would never do because I was poor. So
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: it was a good week before I would ever see
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: any of my photos.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And then when you got them, half of them were
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: out of focus. Some of them were of a thumb
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: up close.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Because you wouldn't know you needed to retake that. So
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: at that point, I'm like, oh, well, that opportunity is
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: gone now.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: That memory is lost forever.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: So I can't do that again, where now at least
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: you can look and go, oh, that one sucks. Hold
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: on a second. Let's do this again.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get 20 pictures of the exact same image.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: Which is what I do now. Which is what I do.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, this one's good.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm going with that one. Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Then you had one shot, and you'd be like, ah, well,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: I can't afford to take any more. I've only got
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: 24 on this roll. I've got to get through the week. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, dude, I would take a picture of
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: that awesome trick you're trying to do, but I have
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: three photos left.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: I got, yeah, I can't afford another roll. And Weezer
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: hasn't come on yet. It's such a different world. In
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: such a short span of time, really.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: It's just... That's what I keep talking about.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: The domino effect that technology has had these last 25 years.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: It's like it was no changes almost for 150 years.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Just minimal. And then all of a sudden this came along.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: Everything has changed and then changed on top of itself
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: five times over since then.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Because everything's become instantaneous now.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: And disposable.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: That technology is gone.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: I think about things that are a joke already. from
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: like an upgrade you know a flip phone is a
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: joke at this point i'm like that was the coolest
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: fucking thing in the world when you're coming off your
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: old nokia box you know it's like when that big
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: block that you carried around.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Or the slide phone where you had a keyboard and.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: The little blackberries yes that was cutting edge and like
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: now people laugh at you for having that so i'm
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: like The way that it's turned around and one-upped itself
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: five years later and over and over and over.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: It's out of control. Dude, could you imagine being 13
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and having the capabilities of making a green screen style
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: film with explosions behind you in your bedroom?
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Which kids do.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Like, what the hell?
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: The fact that at the Target, you can go buy
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: a software to do that and make.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: A Lego movie with Legos and your phone. And I'm
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: just like, what?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: I had a Super 8 camera and some clay dinosaurs,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: and I was trying to make shit happen.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: It looked terrible then, but at least I was glad
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I was doing it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: But I'm like, if I had that technology, I guess
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: I still would have made terrible stuff. But I don't know.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: I'm like, it is just mind-boggling the amount of stuff
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: that is at our fingertips at any given moment. Oh, yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: It's insane. I mean, dude, seeing kids all sitting at
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: a restaurant table with their parents, and they've all got
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: tablets in front of them. I'm like, what?
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: What?
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that happens a little more often than.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I'm okay with. That is insanity to me.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: But again, it's amazing. Again, that's something that I think
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: I am still in a different plane is the phone,
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: the constant need of being on your phone. Like I
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: have mine.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I make use of it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: But it's like it is a tool for me, not
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: like a way of life. Because I don't even know
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: that it's because I see older people doing it too.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: I see people like my parents' age still doing it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: have fallen into that habit so quickly. But to me,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: I'm still like, that's the one thing I love about
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: doing this show is like, it's one of the handful
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: of times I sit down and have a conversation with
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: somebody because that's dying. But like in normal situations, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: was working at a job and I was working with
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: somebody who was mid twenties. And like, it was like
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: on a holster.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: The second we would stop doing whatever we were doing, bam,
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: it came out and was already like scrolling through, looking
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: at Facebook, looking at watching.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Videos, like just within a second.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I got to a point, I'm like, well,
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: there's no point in me talking to you now because
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: you're already watching this video of something ellen did yesterday
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: on tv so i'm just like i i think it's
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: interfering with our you know our normal level of society
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: on one hand but it's offering all these other things.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: So I don't know. It's a mixed bag at this
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: point of good and evil. Yeah, totally.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are there, I see a thousand benefits,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: but then I also see all the negatives, dude. I mean, you,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: you see people, you know, that, that getting beefs over
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: something said on Twitter, or then you see people catfishing and,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Or to catch a predator. Or you see people getting
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: their bank accounts hacked. I'm like, dude, I don't even know.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Whenever I picture a hacker hacking somebody's email, I picture
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: the movie The Net.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Where there's a freeway of neon lights.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Or hackers.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: I assume there's some kids in a dark club doing
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: cool stuff.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Glow sticks in their mouths and shit. I don't know
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: any of that. That's why, to me, I do see
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: the scary aspect of it. Do you ever watch Black Mirror?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I've seen a few, yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Jesus, dude.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Jump on that shit. Because I didn't realize that this
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: is basically the Twilight Zone slash Tales from the Crypt
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of the new era. It's the modern version of that.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: It is so fantastic. And every story is so goddamn different.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: And the technology that they put out there on screen.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: holy crap because it is that's going there like there
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: are some things where i'm like yeah that's probably five
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: years off yeah it's a little scary but it's all
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: disturbing yeah man i just you know i i see
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: tons and tons of pros to it though like because
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: i even look at just what i do you know
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: if if i wanted to do what i did for
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: a Even when I was working part-time at my day
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: job and then doing full-time art and doing conventions and
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, I was still struggling to pay full
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: bills and make ends meet. And so if I didn't
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: have an outlet for something like those collector cards that
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I've done. Dude, I've done like 1,200, 1,300 over the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: last seven years, eight years. But I would have had
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: nowhere to sell them other than like a local– Hey, look,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: it's a show, and there's 100 people here.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: These are the 100 people.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: That get to see it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: There used to be a show where 100 people would
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: show up when we were doing it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Back in the day.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: That's died now.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Dude, having Facebook, I don't know if I'd be very active.
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: On Facebook other than.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: if I wasn't an artist or in some sort of
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: a field where, you know, like I pay attention to
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: other people's art and stuff like that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: That's all the page that now I'm forced to have
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: my name on. It didn't even used to Facebook made
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: me put my name on it because they're big brother
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: at this point.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: No, of course they shut my account down.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: I got rid of the one that was supposed to
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: be my personal account because I didn't do anything. Like
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: the only thing I do is the show. So I'm like,
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to use this one. So the only
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: thing I post is like, here's what we did this
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: week on the show.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't, Do anything normal in your life. But
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: that was a great way for you to be able
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: to message me with, hey, here's the link. And so
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I get it. Facebook has become one of those things
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: where especially for independent contractor, people that work for themselves
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: and are trying to just put out their own product.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: That's become a necessary thing. It's also a downside because
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: you see a thousand things and.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: You're like, oh God. That's the other thing is that,
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: and I bitch about this all the time too, they've
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: gotten involved now so they have control over who sees what.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Yes. That's the part that creeps me out.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: And that's why I hope something takes its place soon
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: that gives you a little more freedom and allows everyone
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: to see your work if you're an artist trying to
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: put your stuff. Because now- I don't see 90% of
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: the posts that my friends put out there.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: They filter everything.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to get to a point where they
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: come up with a tier. And it's going to be
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: like a Netflix thing or a Prime. They're like, do
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: you want it without commercials? Do you want everyone to
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: see your post? Do you want us to not filter
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: all of your shit? Yeah, because right now we're showing
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: it to about 90 people. Do you want 1,300 people
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: to see this? And then you're like, fuck.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Well, that's already kind of what they do. Because every
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: time it'll pop up and be like, would you like
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: to promote this? No, I don't.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And that's the difference in their mind.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I think it's bullshit. I don't do it. I've done
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: it before. Just testing the waters.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I did a super cheap one to see. And I
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: got nothing out of it. And I'm like, bullshit. I've
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: popped out money and it'll say, oh, hey, you reached 3,000
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: people over the last two days. I'm like, did I?
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: And yet no one got back with me on this.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, no, I don't think I did.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like that makes mathematical statistical sense.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Well, or show me. Show me the 30,000. Show me
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: all the connections and how I did that because I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: don't believe you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: I just think numbers-wise, somebody out there is going to
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: be like, oh, hey, that's really cool.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Dude, this sucks.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Like somewhere, somebody is going to interact with you with
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: that number of people. No, absolutely.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Which is why, no, I don't buy it. Dude, I mean,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I would straight up ask my girlfriend, like, hey, have
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: you seen an ad for my website? And then I'd
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: message one of my buddies, let me know if you
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: see an ad for my site.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Never. I've never had any of my friends or my
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: brothers or anybody see my post.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Even just standard posts. I'm just like, yeah, again, Misty's
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: always on here, and she's always like, oh, did you
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: see the thing I posted? I'm like, nope, Facebook didn't
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: show me nothing. So I'm like, we talk all the time.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: You should be top of my freaking list, and yet
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: it's still filtering out half the stuff that you do.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, this makes no sense. Like, why are
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: we using this? Because there's nothing else.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I hear you, man. Yeah, it's frustrating as hell.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: But I know that I see professionals all the time,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: guys that I love, like artists that That I follow
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: on Instagram. Like, hey, let me know if you can
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: see this because Instagram's algorithm, you know, whatever it is.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: And so I don't know how that shit works, but
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I know sometimes it pisses me off.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: And the fact that other people make money at it
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: is what's so frustrating because it's not a simple system.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: That anybody can make use of. It's like the people
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: that know how to manipulate it or the people at
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: the top that are running it all know how to
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: make money at it. And the rest of us are
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: just like throwing shit out there into the ocean, essentially,
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: that is the internet.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Hoping something goes viral or sticks. Which doesn't ever.
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: For me, anyway.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: No, man. My most visible posts are like... goofy.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: Meme that i found on you know that's what's annoying
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: to me is i'll post this shit that i will
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: work seven days a week to get this new link
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: for the episode up and i'll put that out and
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: like two people will like it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: And then i'll retweet repost some bullshit thing that's just
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: a picture of a pop culture whatever the fuck it
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: is and i'll get 35 people respond within a day
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: and i'm just like where the fuck are you guys
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: the rest of the time like why this thing that
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: i put absolutely no effort in and just kind of
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: went oh that's funny and like sent it back out
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: to you that everybody responds to, but something that like
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: takes actual work and effort and like nobody gives a shit.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So it's all very frustrating.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Oh man. Yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I've done, I've done that with his like, like pics
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: that I've spent 20, 30 hours on, you know, over
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: a span of a week and a half.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: And then you get it finished, you post it and it's.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: Like 12 likes. And I'm like, what? That makes it
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: all work.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I had like 300 on a beam about microwaves the
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: other day. Like what the fuck is happening? Like, But again, dude,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I don't get bent out of shape about likes because
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: that's all fake anyway. I don't buy any of it. Dude,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: you could post something about like, hey, I'm having this event.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: get a thousand likes and 10 people show up.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's all bullshit, which I think is also
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: part of what's changing over the years because, and this
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: is what I was going to bring this up. Cause
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: I said earlier, that's one of the reasons we know
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: each other is we used to do art shows.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: All the time.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: Like we had, again, this is just sort of our
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: little network of people in this town. Maybe it's similar
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: where you live, but I'm just like, we had a
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: really good little artistic community built up and we did
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: a lot of art shows in this town and And
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: a lot of people would show up and support each
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: other and buy stuff and just, like, help spread the word.
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: All of that died. Like, I don't see anything like
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: that going. Like, that's even why I stopped putting stuff
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: together as years went on.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Because the last.
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: Few that we did together, like... Two, three people would
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: show up sometimes. I'm like, why the fuck are we
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: putting all this work in? Because I still end up
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: doing the same amount of work beforehand, trying to organize it,
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: trying to plan it, trying to get the artists there,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: trying to set up the venue, trying to get the
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: word out, all of this shit.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: And then it used to.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Be 150 people might come. Now it's two or ten
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: tops ever. And I'm just like.
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: What?
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: And again, am I blaming the technology that's changed in
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: those same 10, 15 years that all this has happened?
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: Is there a right now I can stream everything in
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: my house? So why bother going out to a show?
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Who cares about interacting with people? I'm just going to
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: sit here and play on my phone like. I don't know.
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: Am I just being cranky old man there? I might be.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like things also happen, you know, in a
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: community that change the way certain people do stuff. Like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: for instance, are you familiar with that asshole Landon kid
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: that owns... What? He used to own, I don't know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Haymarket or something?
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I've dealt with...
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: We wouldn't even have to bash him personally. But I
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: know the specifics of what you're talking about. So.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: It's like this. Two, three years ago, Haymarket was where...
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, there were shows there regularly. I mean, art
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: shows that were done very well. And they pulled people.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And it was a fun place to go. And then
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: at the same exact time, same time frame, two, three years,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: four years, five years ago, they had Market for Mischief
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: at The Cure. The Cure is no longer in business.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Haymarket is... Fucking, you don't even want to touch that shit.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So, again, now you've got
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: two established shows that had to somehow scratch and find
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: a new place. Well, look, we're going to set up
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: over here this time. Oh, and then next time we're
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: going to be over here. And it's like, God bless
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: them because they're just, they didn't expect that shit to close.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: And they had a song. show. It's happened to me.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: Like I've tried to over the years, like find like,
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: especially like cool independent businesses. I'm like, Hey, let's, you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: do tight ends together and like do something, you know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: at the show, put together an event, like promote you
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: on this show, like whatever, like, just to have, you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: just why not? Like, why not try to work together
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: on stuff? Most of those are gone. Like, and then like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: it's sad that my shows outlasted all.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: These other businesses.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: And I guess it's because I'm not putting up near
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: as much money as they were, but it's so many
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: times when I look back and I'm like, oh yeah,
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: that's not there anymore.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's not there.
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, all these places that we've gone to
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: and people that we were trying to, you know, help
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: support doesn't matter. They still went under.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: So like, Well, and things just also change too, like
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: as somebody else progresses in life, like with Wild and Wooly.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, dude, driving by a sign that says Wild
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: and Wooly Yoga, it stings a little bit.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm glad, again, for you that don't know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: Todd was the owner of Wild and Holy Video, did
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: it for like 18 years.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and amazingly, he's an amazing guy. I'm not knocking
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: his business decision at all.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: But, well, and again, I was there at the end. Like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: that's the era I came in right at the end
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: just because I needed something else to help survive myself.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: But I was working there, you know, just a night
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: or two a week. And like, I'm watching him, like,
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: just in the time that we'd cross over. I mean, like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: I'm seeing him kind of sit in the office and
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: back and like, try to keep things going. And like,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: so you could see by the time he came out
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: to kind of announce to everybody, he's just like, yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: the writing's on the wall, man. It's like, I can't, I,
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: you know, cause he has a family to support. That's exactly.
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: So by the end, I'm like, we, I mean, it sucks,
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: but we can't be mad at you.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: There's no reason for you to go bankrupt and take
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: your family down with you because we want you to
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: keep our little dream alive.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: And I used to go in there thinking, how lucky
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: am I to live in a city with a video
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: store like this at this time of year? In the era,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, when Blockbusters had all already died.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Dude, everything was gone. That was... And before Blockbusters had
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: even disappeared completely, even before Hollywood... Dude, I was still
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: only going to Wild and Woolly.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, Blockbuster.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was a different world. Well, Blockbuster censored
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: their own movies.
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Like, they did their own censoring, so... Wild and Wooly,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I knew I could go in there and I could
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: find the German version of whatever film.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: I was trying to find. Or I could go, dude,
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: I rented the Heaven's Gate DVD that they all watched
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: before they killed themselves.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: You were the one. Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I used to have like, I think Jeremy once was like. Dude,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: no offense, but you rent the worst movies of anybody.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: And I was like, hey, thanks. And I have like
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: a stack of six of them because I was going
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: to be up for the next two nights drawing or painting.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: And I needed great background shit, you know. And so sometimes, dude,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I would find gems in there that I didn't even
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: know were a thing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, and you would get a movie that they
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: made ten copies of. In 1996. And there's one of
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: them sitting on your shelf. And I'm like, get the fuck,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: you have that? And so that's why, I mean, I
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: knew I was lucky. I knew it was fortunate that
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: the city even had that type of a store. So
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: when it disappeared, it was almost like a, well, yeah, duh. Like,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you kept it going. But at
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: the same time, it hurts.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: It was the, and again, this was part of the
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: industry changing too. I think the only reason he lasted
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: as long as he did was TV series. Because TV
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: series became a new thing. From Sopranos on, everything became, oh,
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: this isn't like normal TV. It became its own little, like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: it's kind of like a.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Movie, but it's 20 hours long. So it's like.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: TV became a different thing. It's not even TV anymore.
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: It's just streaming series now. And those got advanced to
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: a different level and people became weirdly obsessed with them.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: And a marathoning became a thing and binge watching became
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: a thing. And that's right when, because he probably was
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: at that point at that time going, well, maybe it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: about time to wrap this up. And then like those hit.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: And like when you had those first couple seasons of
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: freaking Game of Thrones, like people lost it. When that
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: stuff came out, there were people waiting for stuff to
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: come back in.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I hadn't seen since the 80s.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: I remember as a little kid watching the table when
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: people would be fighting over movies coming back in because
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: that was the culture then.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: And then all that died off and nobody cared.
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: And when the new season of whatever the hell was
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: big that week came out, people were behaving like that again.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, this is changing things. And but
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: that was right at the beginning of when they were
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: even Netflix had just started doing the streaming service then. So, yeah,
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: it was still like you had to go physically get
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: DVDs mailed to you or whatever. So like the fact
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: that he found that little market that I think kept
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: him going for five or six years that I mean,
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: towards the end there, he wouldn't have survived if it
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: was just because movies that didn't bring in that level
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: of commitment. The way that the TV series were.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Well, and you guys didn't gouge with the TV series.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: You would charge one price. It was the same thing.
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was one.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Price and you'd get the full freaking season. Which again,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: maybe it was a mistake.
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: Maybe he should have charged three times and then he
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: might still survive. But that is also going to.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Cause the feeding frenzy of the people like, holy shit,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: do you realize we could spend... three dollars or four
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: whatever and get a full season of this you know
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: and and he.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: Would do like week-long rentals for that stuff so people
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: could just hang on to it watch it till they
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: were done bring it back instead of like oh shit
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: i gotta get through this in two nights you know
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: oh dude well and.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: You know wild and woolly was the only place i
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: never ever cared about paying late fees dude i was
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: going i was like yep take it because it was
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: like dude i'm an Or I forgot about it. And I,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you know, or you returned it at a Heine brothers,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And it was like, Oh wait,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I returned that at a different hunt or whatever. You know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: like maybe it fell behind the box where I left
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: it in the off, whatever it was. It was just, yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I gladly paid a late fee in there because I
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: wanted the place to stay around.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, and that was, you saw that kind of
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: stuff happen too. And I don't know how specific this
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: was to our town versus others, but yeah, that was
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: at the point where red box became a thing. And
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: so he also developed that we have, as you guys know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: our beloved sponsor, Heine Brothers. There's a good amount of
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: them in town, even more so now.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: But then there were several.
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: So then it became, okay, you don't even have to
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: come back to our store. We've got a drop box
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: at the coffee shop. You're already going there to get coffee.
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: Just drop off your movie.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: It's cool.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: That counts as getting it back on time if you
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: get it in the box on time. And I'm like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: that's just, again, you have to give credit for an
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: independent business struggling to survive against the bigger... industries coming
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: in that was just that kind of thing of like
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: okay i'm fighting against you know one at every gas
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: station one at every kroger like red boxes everywhere and
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: it's real convenient because you can take it back when
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: you're across town you can drop it off at a
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: red box over there so you saw moves like that
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: kind of happening where you could just drop it off
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: at a coffee shop that you're already going.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: To right like you're saying it's not having them get
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: brought back to the video store which is where you're
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: probably most likely to go oh shit, this is out.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: And then maybe grab another.
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: Two films while you're there. So it did change everything.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that. Each level of that.
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: I just remember noticing that even as they were doing
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: it and going, yeah, this is definitely like an attempt to.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Go out of their way because that was a pain.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: They had to send somebody around town to pick up
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: all those movies, but it was like the convenience factor
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: for people. You see the outside public getting lazier and
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: lazier because... everything's being catered to them now that he's
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: just like, what do we have to do? You want
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: us to come pick up the movie? Okay, we'll come
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: pick up the movie. Like you see him like struggling
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: to try to come up with a way. So like
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: by the end, I'm like, you know, obviously like, Once
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: that's gone, it's like now not only they're at every
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: gas station, hell, now it's just at your house.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: You don't have to move. You don't have to get
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: off the couch.
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: You just hit a button, and whatever new movie just
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: came into the theater two weeks before, you can watch
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: on your couch now. You can't compete with that in
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: a physical brick-and-mortar version anymore.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: No, I know. That's what sucks. Well, I mean, you
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: know what's great, though, is every time we go up
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: to Michigan, we go to Family Video. There's still a
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: handful of them up there. And, I mean, dude, it is,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: to this day, every time we go in there, I
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: just want to take a selfie because I'm like, it
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: still exists, you guys.
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: There's still a few.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: It's become the novelty version of it now because even
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: when I was just at one of these ridiculous conventions,
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: and one of them is in a city that I
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: just started looking. I was like, I don't think I'm
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: going to have time to do anything else, but let's
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: see what else there is. There's a bar in this
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: town called, that is a fake video store up front.
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: It's just to give you the idea.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Do you remember what it was called?
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: It's got a Tarantino theme because, again, working at a
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: video store.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: So I don't even remember what it was called, but
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: I can find the stuff if you need it. But yeah,
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: it's got like a Tarantino theme. It looks like a
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: video store and there is a, basically then it becomes
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: like a bootlegging thing. There's like a fake door and
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: it's like a speakeasy bar that's hiding inside of this
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: video store. So I'm like, that's just novelty on top
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: of novelty just to bring people in for the novelty purposes.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: Like it might eventually find people that are just, you know,
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: they want to hang out at the bar, they become regulars.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: But for the most part, you're just bringing people in
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: for the like, Dude.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I think there's like a video store over there.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: Like, it's just the almost ironicness of like, can you imagine?
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Like, it's weird that that's what it's got.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: To now to survive almost or to come up with
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: like a new idea is stealing from the old idea,
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: but doing it fake, really.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have seen that even on like Instagram,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: there's a thing that I think was called like slashback video.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: And they set up, and don't quote me, well, obviously
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I'm on here, so quote me, but I believe that
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: was the name. And it was like a setup. It
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: was like an art installation where it was up for
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: like maybe a month or something or two months around
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Halloween time. I don't remember the exact details or specifics,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: but I do remember being like, holy shit, that's brilliant.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: And I've seen a couple of people doing stuff like
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: that since.
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: That's what I was going to say with the art
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: installation idea. I'm assuming you've seen that Jerry Maguire video store, right?
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: That thing is genius.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: Basically these, and again, as an artist yourself, this is
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: epic level of ridiculous artists that I kind of love.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: They just, I don't even know what, I think they're
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: just like, I don't know if they even genuinely like
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: Jerry Maguire. I think it's more of a joke that,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: that they made all these copies of Jerry Maguire that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: are out there because it was a super mainstream movie.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: So they just started accumulating every VHS copy of Jerry
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: Maguire they could find. Then they put them all, and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: then they started making like a fake video store that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: only carries these Jerry Maguire videos. So it was, it started,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: I think in New York and it went to LA
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: or vice versa. And now it's gone like to the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: bigger cities. It's gone like as a traveling show that they,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: Find an empty space, set up the entire fully, looking
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: like a fully functioning mid-80s to 90s video store.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Dude, that's amazing.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: Except every movie in there is Jerry Maguire. The posters
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: are all Jerry Maguire. Like, everything is fucking Jerry. And
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: I'm like, as much as I love Crazy Artist, I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: really love you guys because this is ridiculous. Yeah, that's amazing. So, yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: that's the epic level of, like, just for novelty, stupid purposes,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: and nostalgia.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Like, it's just a mixture.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: Of all of this.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Well, my brother, he's got, like, five or six copies
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: of Speed on VHS.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: As he should. Yeah, every time he sees one, he's like, oh, Speed!
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have it on Laserdisc, thank you.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: Oh, dude, you know what, though?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: He has a massive Laserdisc collection, too, so... I would
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: not be surprised if he has that as well. I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: think he should. Dude, he has come over and handed me...
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: He's been like, here, look what I found. And it'll
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: be like Jaws on Laserdisc or the original Halloweens. And
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, get the fuck out of here. So he
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: always surprises me with that kind of stuff.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: There is a weird collector's... I mean, the fact that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: people are buying like crazy VHS at this point. But
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: even like Laserdisc because there's weird stuff that like never
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: came out any other way. Or like a different version
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: was only put out on Laserdisc this year.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that stuff has found weird little niche people that.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Love that shit.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: So, again, I appreciate my weird fandoms, and I support
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: all of us for being geeks and buying all this stuff.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Dude, the clamshell VHS cases have come back. Again, it's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: novelty purposes, but I'm like, I don't care. I remember
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: them originally.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: So to me, I think it's awesome.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, I used to tape half of my favorite things
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: onto a VHS.
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  Speaker 6: I think about that now. I think about it because
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: I'm such a, I've brought up many times, I'm a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: ridiculous hoarder. I do still have boxes of VHS tapes.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: Not just, I pulled out all the fancy ones and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: they're sitting here in this room now. But the, like,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: bought it, the, you know, Target or wherever, just the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: blank VHS tape.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: And then recording stuff, I still have boxes of those.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know why, what the fuck.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: Am I ever gonna do? Because even if I wanted
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: to see what's on them, even if you had a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: VHS player, the tracking is so different now. Like the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: automatic tracking doesn't work the same as when you recorded
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: it 30 years ago. I don't even think it would play.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: Like if it did, you'd have a broken up image
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: and you wouldn't be able to watch it. So why
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: the hell do I still have those? But I used
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: to like obsessively record stuff, like even stuff on TV,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: like just like, again, I was enough of a dork
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: about like late night shows that like if there was
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: a guest on, like, so I'd have a whole tape
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: that was just all these cool people that I thought
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: were cool and were on this show that I liked.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: And like, tons of Letterman on a tape somewhere.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's, it's ridiculous.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: The stuff I used to tape that I'm like, I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: don't like that part of my life is gone. Like
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: I don't think about it because I know it's all
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: available on YouTube. But the second they're done with it,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: some idiots already uploaded it on YouTube or some feed somewhere.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: So I'm just like all of that effort I used to.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: Put in that I now, I guess put towards this, like,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I just, all of that time I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: used to waste doing that is gone now and redirected
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: towards probably being putting this dumb show together, but it's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: just weird to think of time management, how much we
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: used to, to vote towards taping. Oh man.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: What about making mixed tapes? Like, come on. You want
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: to talk about time management?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: They used to be an art form.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: Well, and again, the kids have gotten onto that. The
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: fact that that became a movement for years now, it's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: still kind of going on.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've heard, I've heard of a mixtape parties, things
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: They get together and do shows and trade them. And yes,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: I'm like, that's, I guess.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Good? It's weird. That used to happen. I remember hearing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: people that would trade VHS tapes, like skate tapes of
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: bands playing and things like that. And yeah, it was
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: just stuff that that's how everyone got it.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, that was the real old school fandom. When I,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: when you think about like, cause they talk about like
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: viral videos now, I'm like, when you look at those
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: handful of viral videos that happened before the internet took over,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: when they were physically passed around the country or mailed
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: across the country on VHS tapes, like, That's amazing that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: some of them really did make it out there and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: work their way into the public consciousness when they physically
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: had to go from one place to the next. They
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: weren't just beamed across the internet. That's amazing to me
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: that some of those things made it out there. The
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: level of fandom that kind of found them is crazy.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Well, my dad talks of VHS recording parties where him
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: and five of his buddies would bring VHSs over to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: one of their buddies houses and if they rented the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: newest film or they got the newest thing.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Or dubbing party what's that a dubbing party yeah yeah
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: basically dude and if there was like a big fight
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: on you know or something they would record it live
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: or record whatever and then record transfer record transfer.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: And so all five six of these guys would leave
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: with the same beat like video of whatever telecast or
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: whatever movie they all paid for and so then it
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: was just like yo we're building up our library and
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: i remember being a kid and just having this video
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: library that my dad had i mean he put a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: lot of time and effort like every box had a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: label it would be like superman one superman two whatever
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: it was you know and i just hit the mic But, yeah,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: it was just, I just remember clearly seeing all these tapes.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: And it didn't dawn on me until I was like
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: 10 or 12 that, oh, that's not the real movie case.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Those are brown cases that my dad personalized.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: And then later you.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Were like, wait, this isn't even legal. Yeah, no, like, dude,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: it was totally, that's where I got my desire to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: record everything off of HBO, right on VHS. But, I mean, yeah, again,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I still have a whole box of VHS tapes. I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: also have a VHS player. In my office, to be fair.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, I have several of them.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: I just don't know.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: Again, they're in the pile of hoarded things. But I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: don't even know any of them. Most of them, they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: didn't work. And then I just sat them somewhere. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: I don't think about it. But now I'm like, do
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: any of these even work anymore?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: I've got a couple of broken ones, I think.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Well, the best part about going back and watching anything
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: recorded off of television, like you were saying with late
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: night things, commercials.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: Dude, the commercials.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Because you can find almost any of the programs that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: you've recorded online. Or almost any of the clips. I mean,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: I have a whole ton of... Because when I used
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: to work in the bars... I mean, this was back
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: in college. I would tape Monday Night Raw or SmackDown
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: and just come home and watch it after work or
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: whatever or the next day. And so, man, I have
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: got so many commercials from like 2001, 2002 or whatever.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: And I mean.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Some of the products out there is like stack or two,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: you know, and you're just watching so many commercials for
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: products that have been banned or have been off the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: market for 10 years. And it's just I love it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: I love that kind of stuff.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: To me, again, it's this as time goes on, the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: irony of it is like. Back then, it became the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: thing to try to hit pause and stop and cut
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: out the commercials was like a game that you were playing.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: If you were good, if you were lame, you'd just push.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Record and wander it off.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: But if you had skill, you'd be sitting there, your
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: finger hovering above the pause button.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: If you were professional.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: It became this game. Yeah, you knew what you were doing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: What's funny now is you wish you had the commercials
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: and everything when you watched it later because those were
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: the best part.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: When you look back, you're just like, oh, man, look
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: at this bullshit.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: I've seen the movie 28 times. I don't care about
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: the movie that I was recording, but any commercials that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: made it onto a tape, I'm like, this is amazing.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: I never see these.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Or you're like, man, I want to see that commercial
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: again for that station wagon with wood paneling on the side. Exactly.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: just it's stuff like that that is is fantastic uh
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: i still i still love the i mean that was
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: the best part not the best part that was another
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: amazing part of wild and woolly was the uh the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: found footage festivals i would rent every single one i
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: would walk in not even know there was a new
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: one out walk oh shit is that the new found
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: footage you know and then just take it home and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: sit and watch shit found on vhs tapes from the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: 70s through the 90s and Yeah, it's amazing. It's all relative. Oh, dude.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: The stuff that you dig up sometimes.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the training videos from Wendy's or Burger King.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: All your stuff to watch. Not the, thank for God,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: no fast food. But yeah, again, a video store. That's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: the one I joked about. Even with the guy doing
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: the film footage festival, I was talking about one.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: He's like, wait, you've seen that one? I'm like, no,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: I had to watch that one.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: That was my stupid job.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Well, and all didn't, I mean, while the Wooly, like
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Todd brought them in once, right?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah. They, they came to town a couple of times.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah. But I don't know if he, he probably brought
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: them into the store too. I think he brought them
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: in once.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: For like their 20th anniversary or their 15th. You know,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: it was like a big party, like an anniversary celebration
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: for Wild and Wooly. But yeah, man, there's.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: Just long, long since gone. Well, the only other thing
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I was thinking is usually, again, because we've got the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: artist tie-in, what originally did you attach yourself to? I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: guess on all fronts, like when you were watching stuff,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: what was it you got sucked into when you were
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: a kid? And then how did it end up because
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: you definitely got suckered into, or at least attached to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: doing tons of work that were at least pop culture,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: if not specifically horror related.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: So I guess what started you on the.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: The horror road or whatever you were into at first
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: and then how it manifested itself into the artwork.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Man, horror was... primarily my father. From the time I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: was little, I can remember my dad telling me, I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: was born the day Halloween premiered in theaters. You were
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: the demon spawn of Michael Myers. Well, it was one
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: of those things that he wanted to go see the movie,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't going to open for an extra day
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: or two.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: And this baby of mine is throwing off my plans already.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Suddenly had to be a dad. But no, no, he
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: loved it. He would always tell me, you know, that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: movie came out when you were.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Born, you know, and I was like, oh, cool.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: And then.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I remember being five and my dad taking me to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: a drive-in and it was maximum overdrive. That's what happened
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: to you. Dude, that's the thing, man. And my dad
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: even said, like, oh, man, I should have taken you
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: to see that movie.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: But God bless him. I mean, it's pretty silly. I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: think most kids could handle it.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: But here's where I feel like the connection really got
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: made was it had the Green Goblin face on the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: front of this truck. So not only was I being
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: introduced again to horror– Because another time when I was five,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: I broke my leg and I was in the children's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: ward of the hospital for a few days. My dad
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: brought in American Werewolf in London for me to watch
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: and legit got chewed out by the staff because parents
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: were pissed that their kids were crying. I mean, that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: one gets pretty gory. I can see that. It is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: legendary for its special effects.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: And practical gore. I can see that pissing people off.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: That's where it looked, man.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: My dad totally said, oh, I should have shown you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: Star Wars.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: And it's like, no, I prefer the way it went.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: But with the Green Goblin and shit, my dad also
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: got me into comics when I was about eight or
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: I'd say about nine or ten. He started like showing
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: me comics that he had. And then, you know, because
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I was always drawing. So he was like, you know, oh, yeah, man,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: you like Spider-Man. Oh, you would like these guys or
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: X-Men or whatever. And then he gave me his whole
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: comic book collection when I was like 11 or And,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: and because my dad collected from the seventies into the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: early eighties, uh, when he was in the Navy and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. So he just had, you know,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: so many comics. And I think that that's where I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: got into, like, I really wanted to do comic book
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: art and stuff. Uh, but then also man at around
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: 10 or 11 is when I got my first issue
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: of mad magazine. And that I think is where I
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: was like, you can make fun of all these celebrities
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: or wait, you can drop all this coming together.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: Now knowing some of your older artwork.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I'm telling, I still have a subscription to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: mad magazine to this day. Like I, dude, I've got
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: so many of the old issues. I've even got the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: first issue I ever bought, uh, in like 87. I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: want to say it was. Um, and it's like, it's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: the California raisin cover issue. And I was all about
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: some California raisins. I remember walking through the store with
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: my aunt and I was like, what is that? And
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: she goes, oh, that's Mad Magazine, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: And I was like, but that's the California Raisin. And
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: she goes, well, and then she explained what Mad Magazine was.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a little different in here. And dude,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: she immediately was like, you want it? And then she
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: bought it for me. And I remember my mom not
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: being too thrilled that I had gotten a Mad Magazine.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: And then my dad was like, mad? It's not fine literature.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: well dude yeah it wasn't like I was learning according
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: to the grown.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: Ups yeah it wasn't scholarly but at the same time
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: man that I immediately but it changed.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: A generation or several generations like it dude it really
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: did like have an impact on kids.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Absolutely some of my favorite artists man like I would
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: emulate their styles like Jack Davis or Mort Drucker or
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Sergio Argoniz like I would legit like I knew who
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: the writers were the artists the you know like I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: was into all that stuff of it and dude I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: would draw pictures of Saddam Hussein holding missiles.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: I would draw pictures.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: When I was like 14, 15, I was drawing, I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: don't know, vanilla ice with all sorts of goofy shit,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: like Ninja Turtles beating his ass.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: We'd all pay to see that now.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I wish I could find some of that
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: old stuff.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: No, in life.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I want to see them actually. Or the artwork.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: Either way.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: I just remember thinking, oh, this is going to be,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep this forever, and then I lost
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: all those But yeah, man, like all the pop culture
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: or all the like Saturday Night Live. I've always watched that.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was watching mad television in living color
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: was like the biggest thing ever. So, yeah, everything that
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: made fun of the things I already loved. Because I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: would get so fanboy into anything that was like super
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: cool or popular for me or that fit me. And
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: then to see it made fun of was like, yes.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of where when I decided to start
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: bringing– because again, many people probably think it's ridiculous to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: bring in visual artists. on an audio show, I don't
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: give a shit. Because I think it's really fascinating because there's,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many people who just don't go
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: down that road.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Like they're equally as talented, amazingly.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: Schooled at what they do, but like they just paint
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: horses or scenery or like they just get where they
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: want this specific, very traditional form of art and they
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: don't want anything to do with the pop culture end
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: of it. And then you get other people that just
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: dive in and are just like, this is what I love.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: This is the other thing I love. I'm going to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: shove these two things together. And like, I have always
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: responded to, and usually like, like immediately get along with
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: people that already are like immersing themselves in, in like
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: art and pop culture. And specifically when it's mixed together
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: into one big mess. So like, I don't know, I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: I've become more fascinated in like the people that, that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: take the, you know, what they're doing with art and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: then want to like just sort of jam it into
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: it sort of morph into this weird pop culture thing
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: that they're already like enjoying and do their own thing
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: and be creative with it and kind of put their
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: own spin on it and i don't know i'm always
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: drawn to that so i kind of love hearing how
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: people find their way into that and didn't just decide
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: to go do you know bowls of fruit right.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Right right right no i mean dude my grandfather was
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: a painter and i've still i mean i've got a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: painting of his in the office and it's It's of scenery.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: It's of a cabin in the wilderness, you know, like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: with mountains, trees all around, whatever. But it's very well done.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: And it's one of those things.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: He was a painter his whole life and did that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But he never did it professionally. He
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: would do it just because he enjoyed painting. And I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: remember being a kid being like, Grandpa did that?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: And then even my dad, dude, he would never draw.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: But that's the thing. Until he had to. And then
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: there was... I remember... He was doing something in the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: military because he was in the Navy, and he ended
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: up retiring from the Navy. But he had gotten some
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: huge promotion to another rank, and there was this almost
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: like a ritual that all the guys do as they
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: get promoted. And so he had to basically poke fun
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: at and destroy the higher-ranking officials through writings or drawings
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: or whatever it was. And, man, I sat there looking
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: through my dad's book going, what? What? And my dad
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: was able to draw all these cartoon characters that I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: was sitting here trying my hardest to draw. And I'm like,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: you drew that? And my dad's like, well, I mean, yeah,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: I don't really. I'm not that good. And I'm like, Dad, what?
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: That's better than me. Shut up.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. To this day, I still remember being
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: blown away that he was able to just bust out
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: these drawings. And it's not like he had a laptop
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: to look up. a thousand reference photos in one minute,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: you know, like no memory doing fucking or he would
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: find a picture and then just draw him in his
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: own position. And what, and I'm like, dad, But that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: was it. That was the only time I think I've
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: ever seen him draw. I mean, granted, years later, he
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: became a chef. He's like a... I mean, he's an
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: awesome chef.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: But he also.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: He would make cakes that were like full-on sculptures and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: then paint them with airbrush. And so I still got
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: to see some of the art, you know, later in life.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: But man, never saw him draw other than that one
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: time when I was younger and he was getting this promotion.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: And man, to this day, I still remember that as
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: being like a huge kick in my ass to keep
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: drawing because I'm like... Dude, I didn't even know my
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: dad could draw and he's drawing way better than me.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: So I better fuck. I better.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: And yeah, either way, I just remember always being like
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: blown away to find out that my grandfather, you know,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: was a left-handed artist. My, my dad, you know, my
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: dad's not left-handed, but that he was artistic and. But
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: he was also more military where he didn't see a
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: profession in art. But, I mean, he never steered me
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: away from it.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: Which is arguable.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: And that's just it, man. He never goes, oh, you're
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: not going to make it as an artist. He would
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: tell me, hey, look, if you want to make it
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: as an artist, you've got to study this.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: You've got to look.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: It's got to be good. Yeah, he got me the book, like,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way. He took me
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: to meet Stan Lee when I was, like, 15 or
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: 14 at a comic book shop, like, I mean, he
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: put all the effort into, hey, go ahead. Fucking draw.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? You're going to do it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: Do it right.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: And so that's where, like, yeah, he never discouraged me.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: But I just don't think he looked at it as
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: a viable way for him to make a living and,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever. But, dude, he came up in the 70s, man.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: 60s and 70s.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: So it's like, what was, your option was Disney or?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: What? There weren't a whole lot of other options the way...
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, now we've kind of created these new avenues.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, man.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: But yeah, Ben really wasn't.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Dude, I've had so many random gigs that I'm like,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: how is this a gig? This is something I never
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: would have even been... on my radar of something to draw,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: you know, like, but then somebody goes, oh, hey, I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: need you to, you know, like do this, this image
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: for my daycare. And I'm like, for your daycare? You
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? I'm like, have you seen my stuff?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Or it's like, oh, hey, you got to do a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: portrait of this lady with a horse, you know? And
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: then the next week I'm drawing like something for the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: jerky company that's making fun of a movie from the 80s.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, this is amazing, you know?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: That's what I was going to say. That's the perfect
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: example is you could never imagine somewhere down the line
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: you'd be doing artwork for the labels for jerky. You
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: could have never predicted that. And yet that's a huge
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: part of what you do now.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: It is my, my main job now.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: And it is, man, I couldn't be happier because it's,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: I'm working with my brothers, you know, for a company
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: that I feel like I have some sort of stake
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: in because I can, I can, voice my opinion or
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: I get to help with, you know, if he's got
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: an idea for this, I'm like, dude, that's fucking brilliant.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: Cause I don't know, dude, most of my friends have
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: heard me brag about my brothers and just about like,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: like their drive because dude, I have drive. I have ambition,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: but I look at them and I'm like, what, how,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: how do I get to that level?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: Like, because my.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Bro, the, the brother Stan that, that runs the company,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: he is, he is like the, the all seeing all
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: like everything he touches kind of turns to gold. Yeah.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: And I mean, he'll have an idea and he'll make
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: it happen.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: That's just annoying, really.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Dude, it has never happened. As many things as I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: come up with, nobody gives a shit. Dude, no, it
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: doesn't happen to me either. It's really annoying. And his
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: ex-wife even, she was an actress, you know what I mean?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: But dude, she would say, God damn it. I try
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: day in and day out to make a mark anywhere,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: anyhow I can. And he puts a video up of
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: his dog getting excited for a bacon strip. And then
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Bacon Strips contacts him, wants to use it for a commercial.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: And then they send him a whole pack. And I'm like,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: you just filmed your dog doing... But, dude, that's... Everything
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: he's ever done is brilliant. He thinks about it. And
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: then he puts all the effort in. And it's like
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: you were saying, putting in all the effort to make this. Like, dude,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: he does things that... Most people wouldn't know that he did,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: but it's all the difference that he did that little
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: extra mile because that's what made it stick or that's
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: what made it pop.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: That puts it ahead of everybody else who's not putting
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: that much effort in. Absolutely.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: It's all about the amount of work and your work
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: ethic and stuff like that. And, dude, I remember when
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: he was running a Kickstarter to start a vegan food truck.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: And people in our own family were like calling him like, dude,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: what the hell are you doing? They were like, you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: realize this isn't going to work, right? I mean, vegan.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: And he's like, listen, he wasn't even vegan at the time.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: He was like, look, I just want to have good options.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: It's just a thing that needs to be, you know,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: it's a hole in what's going on. He had vegan friends.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: He was, he was eating vegetarian. And so it was
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: very much like a dude. I don't want to eat
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: just a bean burger every time I go to a
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: restaurant or something. So he wanted to make other options.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: And people laughed at it. They were like, fuck, that
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: will never work. But not only did he get the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: truck funded, it ended up selling– like it turned into
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: a business where he was selling sandwiches and wraps and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: whatever in multiple Heine Brothers coffee. Like Heine Brothers still
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: to this day carries all of our jerky. They've been
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: great from day one, literally working with his food truck.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: And then now– now he's got morel's vegan cafe he
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: he's working with weltdale chocolates he has warehouses for vegan
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: jerky it's like i mean stuff's in whole foods and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: it's this is the thing people were laughing at him
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: about and now it is a goddamn like it is
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: a a force to be reckoned with and they all
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: feature your artwork well yeah it's all come full circle
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: right but you know dude even then like our other
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: brother adam he he handles all the director like you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: know operations and dude Again, I don't know how he
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: does it. He has two kids, too, that are like
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: straight-A students. But meanwhile, he's, you know, like, I don't
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: own a home. He owns a home. And, like, dude,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: the guy is always just always on the go. Always
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: on the go. Handling the big accounts. Talking to this.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, dude.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: I wish. I wish I had the same drive. Because
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: I do have drive, but it's all focused on art.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: Again, artistic drive is different than business drive, or even
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: just basic mechanics of getting shit done. They're super dedicated artists,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: but sometimes they will kill themselves, and it will still
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: never translate to that other end. I know so many
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: artists that I'm like, you're so fucking talented, but you
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: can't ever get to that level.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: There's no reason sometimes. It's just.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: You're putting the work in. You have the skill, but
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 6: there's something that... I don't know. You can't put your
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: finger on it, and that's the difference sometimes.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the thing. I think some people
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: have that it factor. Because look, dude, you get a
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: front man of a band. How many bands now that
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: you're like, whoa, that's so-and-so from the.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: He's the lead, or she's the front person.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: You don't really know a lot of that, or at
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: least I don't anymore. But back in the day, a
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: front man... also kind of had that it factor.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? They sold the band. It
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: wouldn't be a band without them. Kind of.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: And it's not to take away from the musicians in
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: the band because.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: That wouldn't be a band without them. They're all essential,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: but the band wouldn't be what it was if you
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: didn't have that holding it together.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: You have to have your Ozzy Osbourne's, your Marilyn Manson's,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: your Rob Zombie's, your Alice Cooper's, your Frontman, your Mick Jagger's, your.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: Your axles.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Dude, that's what I'm saying. Nowadays, it's kind of a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: little lame. Same with your Vince Neils. He still holds up,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: you know, vocally. That's the thing. Back in the day,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, even now, you have to have that selling point.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: And I feel like certain celebrities have that it factor.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: If you see him in a movie, you're like, holy shit,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: nobody else could have killed that role like this guy.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: Even if there are amazing actors that could have done
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: that role.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: It could have been cast in that, but it would
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: have fallen by the wayside. It's another one of those
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: movies nobody saw this year. But like, Something about this
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: person took it to a whole nother level.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Or some slight nuance that nobody else would have thought of.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: Just one thing, you know, that separates them from or
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: separates their role from anybody else's. And that's where I
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: feel like, man, I watch Stan in action and it's, man,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: it's almost like awe-inspired. Because, you know, we have meetings
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: every week and somebody will pitch an idea and he'll
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: stop for a second and go, Okay, well, how about
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: we do this, but add this and then do this.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: And then this way we can do this, this, and this.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: And everyone at the table goes, oh, shit. Okay, yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: All right, let's do that.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: It literally just went from a decent idea to a
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: golden fucking nugget. You know what I mean? And that's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: the kind of shit that I'm like, man, it changes everything.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: So working with the Jerky Company has really helped expand
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: even just the style of stuff I get to do. Because, dude,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, with the pop culture jokes and I would
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: always draw like stupid celebrities or whatever. Well, now I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: get to draw things like Steve Martin from The Jerk
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: holding an armful of jerky bags and it just says
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: The Jerky.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: Across the top.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, this is right up my alley
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: because Stan's all about pop culture too. So he comes
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: up with mashups all the time where he'll be like,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: dude– Do you think you could do this? And I'm like, oh,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: my God, yes. Why are we not doing it already?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: Let's do it. Totally.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: And, dude, I mean, I don't know if you saw
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: the ad I shared on April Fool's, but this year's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: jerky ad that they released, my brother spent so much
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: time putting this thing together, and it looks golden. And
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: it is a soda, and it's a soda of the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: maple bacon jerky. And it's got, like, the can is
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: just rotating.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: It is 3D.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: It is 3D.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: It looks gorgeous.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: It looks like a product you could go out and
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: purchase right now. And he put together a full fake
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: ad for it. And I'm like, dude, this is just
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: what he does on his free time. He'll message me
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: at 3 in the morning. Hey, I recorded this new song.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing, man. He was a musician before
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: he became this. That's what I'm saying. There are so
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: many people that just... They just can do shit without
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: even thinking about it. It's amazing. Here's the thing. He
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: doesn't do anything to try and make it big. That's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: part of it too.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: It's just having that.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: He has an idea for something he feels like doing.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter if it's going to register on
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: anyone else's radar.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: That's not why he's doing it. Exactly.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: And so then suddenly when it does hit and everyone–
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: did you see the Flavor Flav ad that we had
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: like for Morels?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: If it was on Facebook, probably not.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: Well, it was also on the news because that's the thing.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: He enlisted in Flavor Flav to promote a weekly special
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: that he had going for the Frito Pie. And so
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Flavor Flav even went off script. It was just– he
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: sold the shit out of it. And it became a thing.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: It went kind of viral. It was shared all over Facebook.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: It was on the local news. And it was like,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: you know, rapper Flavor Flav is showing out for the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: local restaurant Morels. And you're like, wait, what the hell?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: People were messaging me like, dude, I just saw this
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: shit on TV, you know? But again, my bro, he'll
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: literally just come up with an idea on a whim.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: And two minutes later, it's being stolen. Like, dude, there's
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: another restaurant in town or a bar in town that's using, like,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Pauly Shore or some shit.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, I see what you're doing.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: It's not quite the same.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: Again, again, it's them seeing a good idea and jumping
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: on to rip it off and it doesn't fly like
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: they hoped it would, you know? And so again, I just,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: it's been awesome to work for this company and to
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: be like, again, to feel like I have a little
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: bit of a voice or a little bit of a
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: say in some ideas and then, you know, to watch
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: it blossom. Like when I'm at Whole Foods, you know,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: and I see a sign with my brother like right
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: at the counter and I'm like, Get out of town.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 6: I know that doofus. Dude, it's amazing. You know what
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: I mean?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 10: Mean?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: I'm like, this is so cool.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: And so, again, again, man, like, I've had some people
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: that are like, why don't you do conventions anymore? Or
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: why don't you do, you know, like, this mashup stuff
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: or whatever? And it's like, dude, I've had people ask me,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: are you going to do new prints? And I'm like, well, yeah,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, eventually, but right now it's like, dude, I'm
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: working on stuff on my own for another side job
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: that I just wanted to do for myself. And so, dude,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: I've got my own projects going, but I'm dedicated to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: the jerky thing. This is my job right now. And dude, again,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: 10 years ago, if I was trying to find a
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: professional art gig, this would be the dream gig, you know?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: And then the fact that it's with my brother and
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: that it's after I have put in a bunch of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: time and conventions and you know, kind of gotten sick
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: of that shit, you know, because I still love the
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: convention scene. I love the people that are there. I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: love talking and catching up with all my friends. Everyone
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: I've met, I've made great connections. Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: I'm there all the damn time.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. But you've seen the change in the environment.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what we, one of our most recent episodes,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: we went just into the like, because again, it was
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 6: somebody else who was an artist and went there and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: was like, what?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: I don't get it. Like what's going on?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: Like they just didn't, they hadn't been to a ton
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: of conventions. And just it didn't land right. They were
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: just like the art that's there, the people that are there,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: like everything seemed weird. And I'm like, it's a very
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: different environment even than it used to be. Even then
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: when we started the show, it's just morphed 14 times
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: and become this whole new thing just like everything else
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: in the last, you know, 10, 15 years. It's like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: everything continues to just sort of mount and become this
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: new thing and change and Sometimes for the better, sometimes.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: Not so much.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: Again, I used to see you at conventions all the time,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: but I can see why there's such a downside to
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: them of just constantly being out on the road and
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: packing shit up and putting it here. People not paying attention.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: People just not giving you.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Enough money to make it worthwhile.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: I see just enough of all these artists at all
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: these shows that I'm like, this is why I don't
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: even get a table when I go to them. Yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: It's just more trouble than it's worth a lot of time.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: Well, and you're forking out money. A lot. I mean,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: especially now because the market, they're going to sell tables.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: There is no fear factor of, oh, fuck, what if
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: we don't sell enough tables? Or what if we don't
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: have enough vendors?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: That used to be a concern a long time ago.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: Now there are waiting lists that are pages long of
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: people wanting to sell their shit.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're booked a year in advance. That's it, man.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: And so if I'm paying $ 500 in advance just for
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: a table, then I have a hotel, then I have
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: travel fees because I don't drive my car three hours,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: five hours away. My car is not going to make it.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: Even basic stuff like eating, food, coffee, parking. But then
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: think about how much you have to put up front
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: to order. Say, I want 10 of this print, 30
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: of this print, 20 of this. Dude, I am already
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: in the hole almost a grand by the time I'm
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: doing one fucking show. And so then you show up
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: and guess what? People are picketing. You're in Chattanooga and
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: they don't want horror. And so then you have a
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: 50-person show for three days. And you're like, Jesus Christ.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: You're looking at stars that should have tables with lines
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: of people. And they're all sitting around twiddling their fingers
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: because guess what? We didn't see this happening. And then
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: suddenly you don't have money for rent now. You know
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Dude, that is where it got to be. uh,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: just too much of a risk. That's a lot of artists. No,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: but that's another thing is there were times where I
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, cool. I can make this. But then
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: it started to be like, you know, at every show,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: someone's like, dude, how do you get into a, how
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: do you get involved with the shows? And then you'd
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: see them at the next show.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, that was what started with this artist. Gina
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: was on a recent episode. And she was just like,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: it just seems like random kids setting up with their
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: sketch pad. And sometimes they're not at the level where they.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: Need to have a table. And there they are. And
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: some people have even straight up been like, well, where
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: do you buy these sleeves? Where do you get? And
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: then you find out, oh, wait, that's an artist? Oh, wait,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: now they all have sleeves. Exactly like yours.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: And then, dude, that's the other thing is also, When
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: I first started, I was like, oh, I'm the horror guy. Well,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: then suddenly, oh, there's all these horror guys. Everyone's the
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: horror guy here. So then I was like, well, I'm
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: going to be the mashup guy. And then I started
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: focusing on mashup. And then the last big convention I did.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: Dude, that's it.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: Literally, it was like three or four years ago was
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: the last big– I want to say it was full
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: moon where I suddenly was like, what the fuck? And
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting– Right next to a mashup artist across the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: hall from a mashup artist on an aisle with 15 illustrators.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, who's even here to buy my stuff?
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, and so that's where
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to make it. And so, and I've
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: seen other artists have the exact same trouble. Sam Flegel
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: is one of the most incredible oil painters.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: He does the.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Dude, if you look him up on Facebook, Instagram, whatever,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: you will be blown away. It makes me want to
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: snap my art. I want to break my pencils and go,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: I'll try again next life.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: Never mind.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: But back in the day, 8, 10 years ago, he
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: would be at a show. And yes, he would have
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: oil paintings for sale and prints. But he was doing
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: zombie portraits. And dude, he is legit fast, good, solid.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: He would do people as werewolves, vampires, zombies, whatever. But
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: cut to three, four years later, there are three and
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: four zombie portrait booths. Oh, yeah. Because everyone was like, oh, I.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: Can do that shit. I mean, each aisle you'd go down,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: there'd be one.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: Like, it became such a regular thing. Now he doesn't
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: do that shit. Now he's got, he is a full-on
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: oil painter. He's had to retool. And just like Billy Tackett,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: when I first met him, everything he had was brilliant.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: It was zombie versions of this, zombies this, doing that. Dude,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: Hot Topic was ripping him off using his designs. But
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: then suddenly, zombies blew up. Because we're talking 10 years ago,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: Walking Dead wasn't on television.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: Walking Dead took it to a level that you would
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: never imagine. Zombies would become as mainstream as they did.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: Dude, we were drawing zombies when we were kids. It
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: was like, you were the only one drawing zombies. We
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: were the handful of dorks watching Return of the Living Dead.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: Or Monster Squad. When everybody else thought it was stupid.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: And then Walking Dead came along and... Every mom at
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: your local school is into Walking Dead.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: Dude, there's five-year-olds that are wearing zombie shirts.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: How is it a thing? It makes no sense, really.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: But you never know what's going to pop.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Just take off. Well, if you see Billy at a
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: show now, dude, he has got a whole new style.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: He's mastered a whole new style of splatter art where
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: he will do full-on portraits that are like six feet tall.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: of these brilliant celebrities. And dude, you're looking at it going, what?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: You painted that by drizzling and splattering paint? What the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: hell do you do? Dude, he went and made a
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: whole new style because he's like, well, I can't be
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: the zombie guy anymore. But that's the frustrating reality of anything.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: I think if you're in a creative field, I mean, dude,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: look at it. I don't know. I mean, I think
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Wes Borland is the guitarist from Limp Bizkit. That guy
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: is a genius musically. But he was in Limp Bizkit, okay? So...
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: It's like, how can you sustain a career without changing? Nowadays,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: he does scores for movies and things like that. That's brilliant.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: That's a transition. That's your best bet. Going in a direction.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: You are not going to sustain. You're just like, yes,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: for five, seven years, you did.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: You made money. It was working.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: Now that ain't going to work. You can't go, hey,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: I got my brand new metal album coming out. It's like, no,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: fucking no one's listening.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: Nobody cares about that bullshit.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And so that's why it's the same with these artists, man.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: It's the same with certain directors. I mean, even look
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: at Adam Sandler films, dude. Like he can't, you can't
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: keep doing the same shtick and expect.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, he keeps trying.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: I know, dude. Unfortunately, and I haven't seen 99% of them.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: That's exactly it, man.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: People just end up giving up on you if you
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: don't switch things up a bit. And so, you know,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: having this jerky job, having something that I can consider
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: a career and something that still allows me to do
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: fun mashups. Yeah. And it also gives me time. I mean,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: there are times where I'm like, Oh shit, I don't
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: have anything due for the next few days. I'm going
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: to work on something for me now. And dude, I
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: didn't have that because I was always fighting to make
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: ends meet. So I'm like, well, what's going to sell?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Let me do.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: A three-piece Jason series.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because it was easier to
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: sell something. And it gives you a platform.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: It gives you a way to showcase your artwork in
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: a way that nobody could have ever imagined. In front
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: of tons of people and they don't even realize that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: you may be But suddenly it's in front of them
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: every time they go to coffee, every time they're at
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: the grocery.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Like, hey, wait, I know that guy's artwork.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: And like, there it is.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: I've had people on Instagram. Dude, I have no luck
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: with Instagram, by the way. I don't have any luck
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: with social media. If I post something, I am lucky
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: to get 20 or 30 likes.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: I don't get that.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, in a career where I'm supposed
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: to be getting some likes, I don't get them. But, dude,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: I notice when I get a new follower on Instagram...
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: And I'll be like, well, I wonder who that person
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: is or whatever. And it's literally they'll see my name
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: at the bottom of the postcard that they got with
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: their jerky subscription box. And then they went to my
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: page or found me, added me, tagged me. And I'm like, oh, shit.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: It worked. And that's somebody I would have never met
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: at a convention probably. They're like a vegan animal rescue
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: operation from Iowa. Probably not at a horror show.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean. That's why I'm like, dude, I'm
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: fine with that. Even if I don't do another horror
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: show ever or for another 10 years, I'm fine.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: With that, dude.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would still like to do a convention. I
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: also want to come with something new because I don't
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: want to be the same old guy pumping the same
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: old shit. I don't want to have the same old
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: posters I've always had. I don't know. I just don't
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: ever want to be that guy where you're looking at
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Randy the Ram at the wrestling convention and he's just
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: sitting there in a bingo hall with 12 other broken
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: down– I just don't want to be that. So I
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: can't tell you how much the jerky thing has really
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: just helped. Because I get to do stickers. I mean,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: I got to do a full-page ad that is going
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: to be in a magazine. But it's like a fold-in.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: A flashback to Mad Magazine. This is my brother's idea.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: He's like, look, dude, I want this to be one image,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: but then it becomes another image like Mad. But he's
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: not telling anybody that you can ever fold it in
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: or whatever. And he's just going to do it for fun.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: It's just secretly hidden in there for the cool kids.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: Dude, that's exactly. But this is going to be in
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: like a nationally run magazine, like an ad for the company.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, I would have never had that opportunity.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: And so, again, yeah.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: I'm totally fine with being the jerky guy now and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: having people go, draw Jason. And me going, nah, it's okay.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Because I will.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: I still draw Jason. I still draw him. You're doing
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: it at home just for the hell of it.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: Do it, yeah. And if somebody– if Friday the 13th
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: is coming up or if it's Halloween season, I'm pumping
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: out some cards just because that's what I like to do.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, man, it's not like I'm
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: $ 20 away from rent and I got to sell three
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: more cards. You know what I mean? It's just like–
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: It's become a different thing now. So now I actually
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: get to kind of feel like I can focus on
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: something while still having a steady job.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: It's been great.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: I think that's what– and again, with all of this
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: stuff we've talked about, we keep talking about the way
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: everything is changing. And I think that's it for two,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: like just for anybody. For like any business at this point,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: I think you have to readjust and change your approach
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: ever so often or you're going to get left behind.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: But especially artists, filmmakers or visual artists or musicians or
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 6: any of it. You've constantly got to rearrange things and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: just to have new people find you or have people care.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: Or I think, and again, to not be the old
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: guy sitting at the convention, you also just have to
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: put yourself in a new perspective and a place that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: you're going to be happy in. So that you're not
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: miserable sitting.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: At a table. Even if you're doing a convention, you're like, hey, everybody,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: guess what? I'm here.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: You're glad to be where you are and you're having fun, which, again,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: something like what you've done now.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: You seem to actually enjoy the artwork.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, I think that's what you kind of have
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: to do as an artist or as a person at
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 6: this point is find a way to continually change and
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: upgrade what it is you're doing to end up being
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: okay and maybe not necessarily be marketable, hopefully, but if
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: nothing else, just be okay with where you are and
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: happy with what you're doing.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like again, I don't feel like selling, I don't
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: feel like it's a sellout thing at all. I don't
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: feel like it's a, it's like, Oh, I'm not doing
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: what I love doing. It's like, no man, I still
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: get to do what I pretty much love doing. And again, yeah.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: To know that it's also for family and with a
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: business that, that you feel like you kind of, you know,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: you kind of have some responsibility to uphold or try
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: to keep it pushed forward. At least get out there. Yeah,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: I love it. It's just one of those deals where
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: some people, I just didn't know what I was going
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: to be doing for a career. I literally was thinking, well,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be bumping out cars. Dude, no, no,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: that's the thing. And this could all change too.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: You never know. You can sell a company in a
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: year and then I might be out of a job.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But what I'm saying is, Right now,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: this is a job that I never saw even as
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: a possibility. Yeah. And now it's my whole job. And
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: so it's like, shit, I don't know. I can't plan shit,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: you know, because anything I try planning, it doesn't work out.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's part of it too, is just realizing
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: that you can't, especially like things that are creative, like
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 6: you can't force things to take off.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Like you can't, you can't make a viral video.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 6: You can't like, you can't get something that's just going
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: to get a million hits on you or whatever. It's like,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: you can't force that stuff. It happens. So you just
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: do what you do and hope that somebody finds it, basically.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: And connects with it on some level.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, what you were even saying as far as
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: movies that come out now that try to be bad
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: because they're wanting to be in the same place.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: Because they're mimicking stuff.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: It's like, look, man, that wasn't the original director or
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: writer's intention. None of those actors and actresses thought, this
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: is going to suck.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: You guys.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: Like, let's make a terrible movie.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: No, exactly. And nowadays, they come at it with a
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: different agenda, and it feels different.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: It definitely does. There are better or worse ones, but
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: it still fits.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Feels different. Dude, totally. But I will give you an
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: example of a good one that I've seen recently. I
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: haven't seen the sequel yet, but I'm fucking dying to.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: Wolf Cop.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Have you seen Wolf Cop? I know of it.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God, dude.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's free on like Hulu or Prime or
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: something right now. You need to see Wolf Cop. I've
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: seen it like three or four times. It is fucking fun.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about it because we did an episode
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: about it. But at the time, I remember sitting there going,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: this shouldn't be working.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: And it is.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: One of the other ones that probably most people haven't seen.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: Have you seen the FP?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: The FP.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: The FP.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: Nobody's seen it other than the two other people that
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: I did the episode with. It is so ridiculous. And
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: it is very much a movie that they made knowing
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: this is a dumb movie.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: Like this is a bad movie.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: But we're going to. wholeheartedly go into it and like
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: genuinely try to tell this story and it's amazing and
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: ridiculous and it is a bad movie and it's bad
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: performances along the way kind of and special effects in
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: this future world looks like they got four bucks and
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 6: like so i mean It shouldn't work, and yet it's surprisingly...
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: So every once in a while, there's something that works
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: on that level.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: How old is this? When did it come out? Five,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: six years ago.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 6: But they just... What reminded me, they also... That's what
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 6: I thought maybe you were talking about. They just did
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: a sequel that's coming out, too. So they're getting to
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 6: kind of revisit it.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: That's like Kung Fury or Turbo Kid. Have you seen
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: either of those? Turbo Kid is amazing.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: Turbo Kid is incredible. And it's one of those movies
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: that when I first started, I was like.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: No, it looks fantastic.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: How did they get this to work on that? Again,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: technology has changed so much.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. But even Kung Fury, the things they were
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: able to pull off with that movie, and then with
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: the internet getting behind it during just the little clips
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: that aired, and then having that killer song with video
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: from David Hasselhoff. Dude, I drive around bumping that song.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: That is my jam, and it's freaking Kung Fury, you know?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: But again, those are the ones I consider as excelling
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: at what they were trying to do. They were making
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: a movie where they set out to go, look, this
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: ain't real. I mean, the hacker's guy's name is Hacker Man.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, you got guys running dinosaurs with guns
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: mounted to their heads. Again... It is what it is,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: but it is fucking great.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: See, I think there are ones that break through and
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: kind of break that mold, and those are the ones
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: we're looking for, but you've got to weed through a
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: lot of other crap.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, yeah, dude. Anytime I see a poster
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: or a trailer that makes it look like it's going
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: to be, oh, this is a campy piece of shit.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: What a bad movie this is.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always hesitant, dude, and that's why I think– Yeah,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: there were a few times where I would sleep on
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: a movie. I'd be like, that didn't stand out to me.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: But then once I did watch it, I'm like, oh, shit. Okay,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: now I get it. This movie is hilarious or just badass,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: like Turbo Kid. The practical effects and the squirting gore,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, it just brought me back to like, I
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: don't know, a mixture of Robocop and Starship Troopers. It's just, oh, man,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: it's so good. It's amazing how well that came together.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: And there's other ones out there. So, yeah, we got
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: to find them. Again, there's so much stuff. You have
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 6: to seek it out. You have to put work in.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 6: It is people listening to shows, looking for new stuff
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: to watch.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: That's exactly it, man.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 6: I do have people that say that's kind of what
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 6: leads them to stuff and occasionally even ours, but not always.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 6: but like but i and i kind of enjoy that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 6: too that's what we keep doing with like our horror
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: club now is just like watching ridiculous stuff that i
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: don't know anything about but sometimes you stumble across something
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: that's either really good that you didn't know about or
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 6: ridiculous that you didn't know about see last week's episode
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: um yeah not anybody can prepare themselves for wolf girl
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: so like when you find these things that are like
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: when did this get me how did you sucker.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: Right you got tim curry to show up like there's
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: so many of these and i'm just like thank god
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: i i accidentally.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: Found my way to this movie so well okay or
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: worse okay let's talk about the opposite end of the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: spectrum real quick And I'm going to lose a friend
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: for this too, I'm sure.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: Because this guy, I don't want to single him out,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: but have you ever seen any movie by the guy
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: Bill Z.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: Bubb?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: It sounds familiar. Jesus, dude, Jesus. The first movie I
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: ever saw from him, I think was like, I don't
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: even remember the name.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 6: I think I got it from Wild and Wooly back
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 6: in the day.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: But dude, his movies are so bad. There's that level
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: of forgiveness that I give for any director that is
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: honest to God making a movie that they believe in.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Even if it doesn't come out the way that they
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: intended or it doesn't come out very good, I'll give
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: them the credit where credit's due. Especially if it's indie. Dude, 100%.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: If they're dragging in money and bringing people in and
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: doing favors to get this thing made... Even if it's bad,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, points to you for getting your movie made.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: That's amazing. Well, and that's why I do give this
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: guy credit. He makes movie after movie after movie, and
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: he convinces people to be in them, okay? But my
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: whole thing is like, I even had to look this
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: guy up once. I was like, what the fuck? Like,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: how does this guy get people to make these movies?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: But he focuses on like the rape aspect of a
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: serial killer. And that's the thing, dude. I hate, I
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: can't stomach scenes in movies that have rape.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: No. in his movies, it's not even like a rape scene. He'll,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: he'll have like, it's not even a horror. I don't
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: know how he, I don't know how the structure of
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: these movies, but they, I don't know if they're meant
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: to be bad, but he thinks they're awesome or what,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: but dude, it's just a bunch of like boob squeezing
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: from like some old man or him. And it's, like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: the same old man or him in every movie. And
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: you can find him on, like, Roku or something. That's
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: good if.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 6: You're the one involved in it, but to sit and
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 6: watch it for somebody.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Else, it's not the same.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: I don't get that either, so I'm annoyed either way
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: on this one. That's the thing, man.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: I literally was like, what is this guy's mission statement?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: Because I don't understand his films. There's nothing behind it
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: other than five to ten minute segments of a guy
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: squeezing on a girl's boobs. That's what I'm saying. There
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: are people that are producing. They're making movies.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 6: The concept's fun and all, but not as a project.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 6: Not as an artistic project.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: Well, no, if you're involved, it's all good. Listen, and
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: that's it. I don't want to watch some other idiot
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: do it. This isn't art. You're just a perv. There's
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: nothing redeemable, dude. To me, I'm almost like, who is
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: the market for this? Who is sitting there? Dude, I
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: remember turning his movie, or either fast-forwarding it, the one
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: I got from Wild and Wooly. Because I'm like, wait,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: what's happening here? And I just throw things on in
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: the background when I'm painting. And so if there's a
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: lack of dialogue, then I'm like, what is going on?
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: And then I look up and I'm like, oh, okay,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: there's some boobs, I guess. And then I look up
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: two minutes later and I'm like, Is this still happening?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: It's like there's no progression.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: So, again, there are some people where I'm like, look, dude,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: you can make all the movies you want, but they're
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: not going to really go anywhere.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 6: They're not appealing to me. But if you watch a
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: movie like Bad.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: Taste, you know what I mean? Again, a genius in
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: his infancy.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: You see the brilliance there. So you already know, look,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: once you get the budget, once you get the go-ahead,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: you are going to do some shit.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: If you can make this with no money.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, dude.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: Wait until they give you millions.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: It was like over a span of years where he
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: was like having friends help him. You could see them
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: gain weight and lose weight. It was ridiculous. But again, dude,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: it's one of those movies where yes, you see the
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: brilliance behind it and you already know this guy is somebody.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: But then you look at somebody like Beelzebub or whatever.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There are other directors. I don't mean
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: to just single him out.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a bunch of, again, because there's so many
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: indie movies out there now because it's easier to do
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 6: it now.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, and everyone's a filmmaker and everyone's a photographer and everyone's,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But there are great photographers
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: and there are great filmmakers. So it's the shitty wannabes
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: that just ruin it for– or that kind of saturate
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: the market because they put.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: And everybody is looking for funding and that's good. Like
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: everybody should have that option now. It's up to– and
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: I want to support everybody in theory but it's like
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: it's kind of up to us as the people going
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: to be watching the movies to seek out and support
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: the people that are good at it and the people
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: that are actually putting work into it and effort and–
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: have some sort of skill and are willing to put
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 6: the work in and make something good, not just, oh,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: I'm making a thing.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: Give me money.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, well, is it going to be something
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: I want to support? Is it something I want to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: see afterwards?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: Are you just trying to get an actress naked on screen? Yeah,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: just trying to do stupid shit. Or what about that movie,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: A Serbian Film? I hate it. I turned that one
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: off too, dude. It's one of those things where there
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: are certain things I can't watch. Again, it's just.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: And you're someone who did nothing but kill people in
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: your artwork for years. And you turned it off. What
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: does that say?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. I do them in funny ways. Like
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson was being eaten by TikTok from Peter Pan.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: So it's like that's something so absurd it couldn't happen.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: It's nothing like that. This is not like that. Dude,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: Serbian film, I literally wanted to punch the director in
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: his mouth. Like I want to find a show that
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: this guy shows up at and just like spill a
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: drink all over every bit of his merchandise because I
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: hated it. Like there was nothing but shock value and
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: it doesn't work for me.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: So much of that kind of level is nothing but
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: for shock purposes only, which is like, there's a level
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 6: where that's, you know, again, there was a very cool
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: aspect to the like 70 schlocky stuff where they were
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 6: trying to shock people. And there's a point where it
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 6: crosses a line.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no more. You've crossed it. It's
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: not good anymore. Even those old cannibal movies I would
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: rent from wild and woolly.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: You couldn't find them anywhere. So I would go up there.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: I'd get them. But then they all featured the same
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: sort of like elements of like animal torture.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I can't handle this.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want to... Even if you're telling me they
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: ate the turtle later, I don't want to see it.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: It's still not fun.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: No. I want to have fun.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: I want to enjoy myself. And movies are fake.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: Like movies are supposed to be fake. And if I
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: know that's real, I don't want to be a part
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: of it, dude. Yeah. I don't want to watch it.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: I don't want to support it. Cannibal Holocaust is one
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: of those movies where they do that a lot in it,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, the art and the imagery
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: and the direction and the way it came out and
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: the secrecy clause that the director signed. Dude, it's genius.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: It's a fascinating story, maybe more so than a good movie.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 6: The documentary about it is better than the actual movie
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: they made.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Dude, I will never re-watch that movie. It's like I
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: spit on your grave. I never want to re-watch that,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: but when I first saw it, I was like, I
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: was shook for like two, I was like, this is horrible.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, they were edgy. Like they were doing
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: shit that people were not prepared for, which in a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: way is what you, you know, artists are supposed to do.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: They're supposed to push the boundaries.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: Like I get it, but there is a point of like,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: it's icky now. Like you've hit a point that it's
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: just not doing anybody any good anymore.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: And at least I will say with a movie like,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: like I spit on your grave, It's done from a
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: far away shot. It's not being done to sensationalize, so
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: I get it. It's not trying to turn you on
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: or be like, oh, hey, look at this hot scene.
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  Speaker 3: It makes you feel just horrible.
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  Speaker 6: But the sad thing is there are people that are
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  Speaker 6: taking it that way.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what's so annoying.
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  Speaker 6: You really do just want to kill people.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, this isn't hot. Fuck you. Shut up. And
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  Speaker 3: that's why when they do the remake of Last House
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  Speaker 3: on the left, There was, like, in that scene, I
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  Speaker 3: liked that movie.
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  Speaker 6: Because I think it changed things enough that it.
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  Speaker 3: Asked different questions. Well, see, I liked the remake, but
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  Speaker 3: up until, I had an issue with the way they
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: handled that scene where he violates the girl. And, dude,
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  Speaker 3: they're doing, like, slow pans. I'm like, fuck you, first
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  Speaker 3: of all. Like, I don't want to be, like... basically
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  Speaker 3: watching it under the impression that this is steamy, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Because it's not like, it's fucking,
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  Speaker 3: that's the part that makes me the most uncomfortable. And
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather you make me just uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the story aspects were interesting, but yeah, there,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: there's a way to shoot that, that, Again, it's creepy
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  Speaker 6: and crosses lines.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Wes Craven's version was basically NC-17. It's disturbing
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  Speaker 3: as fuck. And that never even went. And it didn't
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 6: And it's an uneven, not great movie for him, for
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  Speaker 6: someone who made great movies.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's not a perfect film.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: That's where it's like, I have a lot of issues
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  Speaker 3: with that kind of stuff being thrown into a movie
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  Speaker 3: to make people go, ooh. You know, because it's like,
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  Speaker 3: that's not shocking.
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  Speaker 6: It's not cool. It's not like.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: But now, practical effects when it comes to gore. Dude,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: have you seen Jack Brooks' Monster Slayer? Dude, movies like that,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, I could watch those movies all
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  Speaker 3: damn day because you know they spent forever making every
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  Speaker 3: single scene work.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Anybody who's still, well, I think now there's a novelty. Again,
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  Speaker 6: it's had a weird comeback lately, but anybody who, especially
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: in those CG years where everything was CG. was still
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 6: going out of their way to do practical effects. I'm like, again,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: more power to you because that's awesome. Oh man, it
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  Speaker 6: looks so good on screen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Like that's the other thing. It just has physical presence.
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  Speaker 6: Like you really do feel like these are there versus CG. Unless,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's a handful I can think of that
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  Speaker 6: are so good that you don't notice. Most of the
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  Speaker 6: time you're like, yeah, that's green screen. Like even when
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 6: it looks good, I'm like, but that's green screen.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: You're like, or digital blood.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can tell. You can usually tell digital blood. It's,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: obviously hard to do right because it looks bad oh
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: yeah all right so we've hit a lot of areas
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: here but again a lot of it about you know
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 6: art and supporting artists so how do people go find
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 6: you and support you on these on these social medias
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: that you're not good at how do people find you
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 6: there well.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: Uh if the algorithm shows any of my stuff.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 6: Probably won't but you know So you seek him out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just look me up under Dick Starr. If you
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: type in Dick by itself, you're going to find some
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: unfortunate things. There's some other pics out there, but.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 6: Yes, if.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: You type in the combination of Dick and Starr with
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: two R's, then you're going to find either my website
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: or my Facebook page or Instagram. I'm just Dorky Starr. So,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure there's other Dick Starrs on there. Probably, but.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, man, so, I mean, and I still do commissions.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: I still do things like that. So, now, I don't
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: do all commissions. I don't want people to just think
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: it's a given.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: You can do whatever you want.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a few things.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: You know, I still get a say.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a few things where I'm like, I
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: don't feel like doing that. Exactly. But, you know, like
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: certain tattoo things, I'm not really up to doing right now. But, like, yeah, man,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, still pretty active. Still pretty, you know, I
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: take requests.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: Cool. Alright, everyone should go seek you out. And this
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: was a good intro to you, but now that you've
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 6: been on, anytime you want to come back and hang
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: out and talk movies, you are definitely welcome.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: Dude, cool.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: And now I know where you live.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: So I'll be stopping by Trick-or-Treating.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: Those wonderful studios that we have. But I'm usually hiding
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 6: when it's Trick-or-Treating time, because I don't have any candy.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 6: Or if I do, I'm not sharing it with children.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: Hoarding my own candy, and I'm in here eating candy
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 6: corn back in the corner, in the dark with the
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: lights out.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: I take the picture holding the bowl so everyone thinks
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: I contribute to society. Meanwhile, I sit in the office
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  Speaker 3: and eat the candy.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 6: I contribute in my own way. It's not by giving
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: my candy away.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: You also paid income tax on the candy that you purchased.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: As I sit eating my mounds upstairs. So you're still
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: giving back to the school system, which is in turn
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: giving back to the kids, which is basically contributing to Halloween.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: So I'm responsible for all the upkeep of society.
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  Speaker 6: There you go. So I should get candy. And that's
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 6: where we should wrap things up this week, or we'll
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 6: go down more tangents like that. Otherwise, that about does it.
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  Speaker 6: We will return next time. Same geek read. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 2: I got this stuff on the tip of my tongue.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 12: Shed a little spider to put you to heart.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: You've got good taste.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Good taste.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: You've got good taste. Oh, baby, good.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 11: Taste You got a big face, tomato paste.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: But one thing, babe, you got a face And that's
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: good taste That's good taste That's good taste Oh, baby,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: good taste.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 11: Well, you got good taste and I ain't drunk.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, baby, yum, yum, yum.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 6: Oh, you got good taste.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: Good taste. Oh, you got good taste. My baby, good taste.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Both of them.
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  Speaker 10: Ha!
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  Speaker 3: You got good taste, you.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 12: Got good taste You don't have to sell my life You.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: Know I know where it's at Ooh, you got good
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: taste Yeah, good taste You got good taste.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 12: You've got good taste That's right, good taste You've got
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 12: good taste Everything's good taste Well, you've got good taste
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 12: And you've got good taste.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey!
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  Speaker 3: Sir! to at least throw someone under the bus that
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: i remember by name like because you know there's there's
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: guys like william hellfire that don't like do you know
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: who i'm talking about like william hellfire because dude he
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: okay do you remember misty monday oh yeah dude he's
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: done a bunch of her movies he was like her
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: ex-boyfriend and i watched um.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 6: Again not on see again i watched it wrong i
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 6: think because you're supposed to watch those and think it's
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: hot i was watching playmate of the apes Because I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 6: was making fun of the sets. They get on a
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 6: spaceship and she's steering the spaceship with PVC pipe. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I think it's still got the writing on
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 6: the side. It's just flat out PVC pipe.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh my god, this is so bad.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm enjoying it for all the wrong reasons that
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  Speaker 6: you're supposed to watch a Misty Monday movie.
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