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Episode 47: Kay Dunning; A Small Town Life Can Hold A Big Story · Doug Has Questions

• 0:00
  Douglas: Hi, my name is Doug.
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  Douglas: Thanks for tuning into my podcast.
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  Douglas: Doug Has Questions.
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  Douglas: I was born and raised in Haines, Alaska with two former educators' parents.
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  Douglas: I got out of education, went into retail, and my sister and I grew up in a retail store that now includes clothing, groceries, and sporting goods.
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  Douglas: Over the years, had a chance to meet people from a variety of different backgrounds, and I have a lot of questions for them.
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  Douglas: Now I get to ask them.
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  Douglas: Welcome to this episode of Doug Has Questions.
• 0:27
  Douglas: Today my guest is Kay Dunning.
• 0:30
  Douglas: Hi, Kay.
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  Kay Dunning: Hi, Doug.
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  Kay Dunning: How are you?
• 0:32
  Douglas: I'm doing great.
• 0:33
  Douglas: Before I I usually forget this anymore, but you're you now you and Rick can have matching mugs.
• 0:40
  Douglas: So I don't know if I don't know if you want to write your name on there so you make sure he's not using his and you're using his.
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  Kay Dunning: He puts coffee in his.
• 0:47
  Kay Dunning: I don't allow coffee in my coffee.
• 0:49
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 0:49
  Douglas: You're gonna figure out a way to that's gonna be on you guys to figure that out.
• 0:53
  Kay Dunning: Uh I'll just take them both.
• 0:55
  Douglas: Okay.
• 0:56
  Douglas: It solves all the problems.
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  Douglas: Perfect.
• 1:00
  Douglas: So Kay, start at the beginning.
• 1:03
  Kay Dunning: Oh my goodness.
• 1:04
  Douglas: What actually we're talking about this before we just started.
• 1:07
  Douglas: Do you want to start with your parents first?
• 1:09
  Douglas: Because your dad was here, you said at I think 18 with the army.
• 1:12
  Douglas: Yeah.
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  Douglas: We want to start there and then work my way forward?
• 1:15
  Douglas: Work your way forward from there.
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  Kay Dunning: That sounds like a good place to start because uh kind of gets of how how I came to be, I guess.
• 1:24
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 1:25
  Kay Dunning: Um yeah, my dad uh grew up in Wisconsin and um he when he was 18 graduated high school, he went into the army, and he and his buddy got their orders of where they were supposed to go.
• 1:39
  Kay Dunning: He was supposed to go to Germany, his buddy was supposed to come to Alaska.
• 1:43
  Kay Dunning: Well, my dad had always wanted to come up here, and his buddy had always wanted to go to Germany.
• 1:48
  Kay Dunning: So somehow his buddy's dad had enough poll to get their orders switched.
• 1:53
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 1:53
  Kay Dunning: That's how my dad ended up here out at the tank farm um when he was 18 years old, 18, 19 years old, right in there.
• 2:01
  Douglas: So he was so his posting in the army was the tank farm.
• 2:05
  Kay Dunning: Yes, to the best of my knowledge, that that's what I understand, yes.
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  Kay Dunning: And, so that's where he stayed.
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  Douglas: He was I always thought that was kind of civilian, because that was always it was pretty much shutting down by the time I got old enough to recognize there's something going on out there.
• 2:18
  Kay Dunning: In the 70s, yeah.
• 2:19
  Douglas: Yeah, but I always thought it was kind of a civilian workforce, but he was there as an actual military uniform military.
• 2:26
  Kay Dunning: Yep, and he was a uh petroleum lab technician out there.
• 2:29
  Kay Dunning: Okay, so they took, you know, the the fuel that came into town and shipped that up to uh Fairbanks.
• 2:36
  Douglas: Yeah, so for the people that aren't familiar with the tank farm, it was a fuel depot out Lutak that the military set up after World War II to ship to the military installations in Fairbanks.
• 2:47
  Douglas: Fuel up the pipeline.
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  Douglas: So they had the big tanks here and then they would pump it up to uh Fairbanks through the pipeline.
• 2:53
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:54
  Douglas: So he was a he was a what?
• 2:55
  Douglas: A lab technician lab technician.
• 2:57
  Douglas: What the heck what the heck does do you know what a petroleum lab technician does?
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  Kay Dunning: Uh he you know, I don't know if he um measured what that was in the tanks and and and the fuel, I don't know, dense his I don't know anything about that part of it.
• 3:11
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 3:12
  Kay Dunning: I I honestly don't know.
• 3:14
  Douglas: So what what year was that that he came up here?
• 3:17
  Kay Dunning: 1953.
• 3:19
  Douglas: 1953.
• 3:20
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 3:21
  Douglas: And did he s did he stay throughout his military service?
• 3:26
  Douglas: It was all here in Haines.
• 3:28
  Kay Dunning: Yep, all of it was here.
• 3:29
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 3:30
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 3:31
  Douglas: Usually they send him all over the place.
• 3:33
  Kay Dunning: Right, and that was during the Korean conflict.
• 3:35
  Kay Dunning: Um so that's that's when yeah, that's the um era that he was in.
• 3:39
  Douglas: That he was here during Korea.
• 3:41
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 3:41
  Kay Dunning: Wow.
• 3:41
  Kay Dunning: And then my mom so is that just sorry, I didn't know.
• 3:45
  Kay Dunning: Oh no, that's okay.
• 3:46
  Douglas: Um so is he just like a four-year enlistment and then he was done, and then he did he keep going after that?
• 3:52
  Kay Dunning: I think he was the four years because um by the time I was old enough to know anything about that stuff, he was a civil servant, which means he had um he was out of the army but hired back as a um civilian servant.
• 4:06
  Douglas: He was still working at the tank farm.
• 4:08
  Kay Dunning: And that's where your civilian stuff stuff came in.
• 4:10
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
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  Kay Dunning: He worked under um Ray Carter, whose daughter Simone still lives here in town.
• 4:16
  Douglas: Okay.
• 4:17
  Kay Dunning: So yeah.
• 4:18
  Kay Dunning: That gives me a that gives me a totally different I never yeah.
• 4:24
  Kay Dunning: Do you remember the tanks out there?
• 4:26
  Douglas: Oh, absolutely.
• 4:27
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
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  Kay Dunning: They would I mean it's like when the ferry would come by, it's like, oh, we're almost home.
• 4:30
  Douglas: We're almost at the dock because the tanks were the and I think most of us that grew up in that area, we still call it the tank farm.
• 4:36
  Kay Dunning: Oh, yeah.
• 4:37
  Douglas: And I tell people, you know, just the beach in front of the tank farm, and they look at me like I've lost my mind.
• 4:43
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 4:44
  Douglas: Well, there used to be these big, if you can imagine, there's these big white fuel tanks out there.
• 4:48
  Douglas: Yeah that is quite obvious that that was the tank farm.
• 4:51
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
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  Douglas: But when you go out there, you d there's no sign of it now.
• 4:55
  Kay Dunning: No, no.
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  Kay Dunning: That well, and there used to be tanks over um by the fort down at the base down there.
• 5:01
  Kay Dunning: Dave Blackhead's.
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  Douglas: Two different places, right across from the post office and out across from CIA (Chilkoot Indian Association), there's tanks down there too for two different places for bringing petroleum in.
• 5:09
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
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  Douglas: And now it all comes in out above Loutak Dock.
• 5:12
  Kay Dunning: Is that oh okay, is that where it is now?
• 5:13
  Douglas: Yeah, up on the hill.
• 5:14
  Douglas: If you look if as you're driving past the ferry terminal before you get to the entrance to Lutak Dock, if you look to the left, there's the whole line of pipes going up the hill.
• 5:22
  Kay Dunning: I've seen the pipes.
• 5:23
  Kay Dunning: I didn't know, okay, I didn't know that's the thing.
• 5:25
  Douglas: Yeah, I think that was late 80s that they put those in.
• 5:27
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 5:28
  Douglas: And developed the tank.
• 5:29
  Douglas: So there's a smaller tank farm up there, obviously.
• 5:32
  Douglas: But that's yeah.
• 5:33
  Douglas: And so the the depot for all of that for off the dock, you can see where there's the the infrastructure right next to the highway off the dock.
• 5:43
  Douglas: And so when it comes in off the fuel barges, they pump it up to the top of the hill.
• 5:48
  Douglas: Oh, and then it comes back down and they load the trucks.
• 5:50
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 5:51
  Kay Dunning: I had no idea that's how they did it now.
• 5:53
  Douglas: You're gonna ask Rick to go for a ride out Lutak now, aren't you, to see what all this is about.
• 5:57
  Douglas: Yes, yes, I am.
• 6:00
  Kay Dunning: Maybe we can uh climb up there.
• 6:02
  Douglas: There's actually a road you can drive up there.
• 6:04
  Douglas: Actually, I don't think you can drive that.
• 6:06
  Douglas: I was gonna say it's probably not legal to do that.
• 6:08
  Douglas: It's a fairly it's a fairly steep road.
• 6:11
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, well I'm I'm gonna take your word for it.
• 6:13
  Douglas: But i isn't it crazy though that you can drive pie stuff and not recognize or just realize what it is and just like it's there.
• 6:21
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I I have seen those pipes you've talked about because I just uh we were out there a couple days ago and I was like, huh, well, I don't know what those are for, but sure.
• 6:28
  Douglas: It's all your heating fuel and gas goes up to the top of the hill.
• 6:31
  Douglas: Good to know.
• 6:32
  Douglas: Good to know.
• 6:33
  Douglas: They got several big tanks up there to hold it all.
• 6:36
  Kay Dunning: Probably can't see those from like the toxinic trail or anything, can you?
• 6:39
  Douglas: I don't think so.
• 6:40
  Douglas: Nope, not quite.
• 6:42
  Kay Dunning: It's nice, they're not quite as big and bold as the uh not as the old tank farm.
• 6:46
  Douglas: They're much much smaller carrying capacity than the old tank farm.
• 6:50
  Kay Dunning: Well, they're for different purposes.
• 6:52
  Douglas: For different purposes, absolutely.
• 6:54
  Douglas: So, with your dad working at the tank farm, how did he meet your mom here in Haines?
• 6:59
  Kay Dunning: So my mom was an army brat, and she grew up, um, she spent time up in Valdez, in Wrangell, and in Ketchikan as a as a child.
• 7:11
  Douglas: Um, what was the military doing in Wrangle?
• 7:15
  Kay Dunning: You know, I don't know exactly, but my my grandpa, I I verified this with my brother, and I'm like, isn't this what grandpa used to do?
• 7:21
  Kay Dunning: Because we never we never knew him.
• 7:23
  Kay Dunning: Uh-huh.
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  Kay Dunning: Um, he was with the um Army Signal Corps.
• 7:27
  Douglas: Okay.
• 7:28
  Kay Dunning: And he was a radio operator.
• 7:29
  Kay Dunning: And so I don't know what he was doing in Wrangle, but something with the military.
• 7:36
  Kay Dunning: Um, and when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, um he got shipped out to ADAC, and the families all get got sent back down to she they happened to be from Washington, Seattle area, so they all got shipped down there.
• 7:53
  Douglas: Um your grandfather was on Adak?
• 7:55
  Douglas: Like when the Japanese inv because they were close to taking Adak, weren't they?
• 8:00
  Kay Dunning: I believe so, but I you know, they got a couple of the illusions.
• 8:05
  Douglas: I can't remember which of the islands, but Attu was one of them.
• 8:09
  Kay Dunning: And ADAC, I think, yeah, they came close, but I don't think they I mean I don't know exactly what you know was happening when he was there.
• 8:19
  Douglas: At two they did, but yeah, I can't remember if they finally got now now.
• 8:23
  Douglas: I'm gonna have to do research.
• 8:24
  Douglas: See?
• 8:24
  Douglas: I'm gonna have to go back.
• 8:25
  Douglas: I should know this stuff.
• 8:26
  Kay Dunning: Bring this history up.
• 8:27
  Kay Dunning: Well, let me know when you find out.
• 8:28
  Kay Dunning: When I find out, I'll let you know.
• 8:30
  Kay Dunning: I'll send you a channel.
• 8:30
  Kay Dunning: You know who we need to check with is is my daughter Ryan.
• 8:33
  Kay Dunning: She she is such a uh um genealogy buff and stuff like that.
• 8:38
  Kay Dunning: She knows all that stuff that's she knows the whole family history.
• 8:41
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, she does.
• 8:42
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, better than I do.
• 8:44
  Douglas: Phone a phone phone a daughter.
• 8:45
  Douglas: Let's go.
• 8:46
  Douglas: Phone a daughter here.
• 8:47
  Douglas: We need Ryan to let us know what went on.
• 8:50
  Kay Dunning: Um, yeah, so um so my mom, like I said, spent her time up here and um really loved it.
• 8:56
  Kay Dunning: Um and she they must have come back up to Ketchcan when she was in high school because she was there her sophomore year, I think, of high school.
• 9:03
  Kay Dunning: Um the rest of it was when she was younger.
• 9:06
  Kay Dunning: And um so she went back to Seattle and then um went on to graduate from Roosevelt High School in Seattle area.
• 9:15
  Kay Dunning: And she went off to college, she went to Whitman, um what was it, Whitman College in Walla Walla, Washington.
• 9:22
  Kay Dunning: Whitworth?
• 9:24
  Douglas: Whitworth, I think.
• 9:25
  Kay Dunning: Um for a year and she came back because my grandpa, well, he was um I don't know what happened exactly, uh, but he got hit by a snowball.
• 9:36
  Kay Dunning: Um there was a snowball fight with you know some of the um um army friends, and he got hit in the back of the head and he ended up coming south, and as a result of that injury, they discovered that he had a brain tumor.
• 9:50
  Kay Dunning: And that's where he ultimately passed away from when she was I think she was about 19 when she when he passed away.
• 9:59
  Kay Dunning: So she left um Whitworth and came back over to Seattle and went to the University of Washington to help take care of my grandpa while while he was um sick.
• 10:09
  Douglas: Good choice.
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  Douglas: Good good good school.
• 10:12
  Kay Dunning: Is that is that where you went?
• 10:13
  Douglas: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:14
  Douglas: There might be some personal bias in that decision.
• 10:17
  Douglas: But heard that comment.
• 10:19
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:20
  Douglas: Good choice.
• 10:20
  Douglas: Um, but then she um That's crazy though that he found out he had a brain tumor because he got hit with a snowball.
• 10:27
  Douglas: Got injured in a snowball fight.
• 10:29
  Kay Dunning: Yes, yes.
• 10:30
  Kay Dunning: Um and it's just one of those those things that um I don't know if you remember can I say names?
• 10:36
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 10:36
  Kay Dunning: The Gullifirds.
• 10:37
  Kay Dunning: Oh, absolutely.
• 10:38
  Kay Dunning: Jimmy Gulliford.
• 10:39
  Kay Dunning: Oh, yeah.
• 10:39
  Kay Dunning: Uh Jimmy had an injury from a sport, and um as a result of that find out.
• 10:45
  Kay Dunning: When we were in sixth grade.
• 10:46
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, about his cancer that way, same same way.
• 10:48
  Kay Dunning: So it's it's God works in mysterious ways, I think.
• 10:53
  Douglas: So um, but yeah, so she Jimmy Jimmy's one of those people that I admire so much just looking at our whole time through school battling cancer.
• 11:03
  Douglas: And now he's he's still with us doing great.
• 11:06
  Douglas: I just phenomenal.
• 11:08
  Kay Dunning: Do you know even where he is?
• 11:09
  Douglas: I have no idea where he is.
• 11:10
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 11:11
  Kay Dunning: Her?
• 11:11
  Kay Dunning: Lisa, where is he?
• 11:12
  Kay Dunning: Where is he?
• 11:13
  Kay Dunning: Tony.
• 11:14
  Douglas: No, I haven't I haven't seen him.
• 11:15
  Douglas: I think the last when I was in at UW, him and Damon Hoffman came and visited one time.
• 11:21
  Douglas: Oh and I think that was the last time I've seen Jim.
• 11:23
  Kay Dunning: I always thought that was an amazing story of how that transpired.
• 11:27
  Kay Dunning: So yeah, so she graduated college and she up, she was a teacher, or I mean, had her um di degree for teaching, but she also loved aviation.
• 11:39
  Kay Dunning: She took her very first airplane ride um in Valdez when she was a little girl.
• 11:43
  Kay Dunning: Somebody came up and said, Hey, you want to go for a ride?
• 11:46
  Kay Dunning: She didn't ask my grammar or anything.
• 11:48
  Kay Dunning: She just went to the airport.
• 11:48
  Kay Dunning: She's like bailed.
• 11:49
  Kay Dunning: She went to the airport.
• 11:50
  Kay Dunning: She was, you know, less than 10 years old.
• 11:53
  Douglas: Um and was this somebody she knew or it was it was somebody?
• 11:59
  Kay Dunning: It's Alaska.
• 12:01
  Douglas: Not just the van pulling up and saying, You want some candy, kid?
• 12:04
  Douglas: Let's go for a ride in the airplane.
• 12:07
  Douglas: Let's go.
• 12:07
  Kay Dunning: It's safe, little girl.
• 12:09
  Douglas: It's safe.
• 12:10
  Kay Dunning: Here we go.
• 12:11
  Kay Dunning: So she went up there and fell in love with aviation.
• 12:14
  Kay Dunning: So um, I as I was cleaning out some of her stuff um a couple years ago, I I had heard this story, but she had a letter from Pan Am.
• 12:23
  Kay Dunning: She'd applied to be a flight attendant, and she was offered the job if she um got her teeth fixed because they were um they were crooked and a little bit crooked, and then they were um yellow because as a child she do you know Rh negative, the Rh positive, Rh negative.
• 12:43
  Douglas: I've heard of it.
• 12:44
  Douglas: I don't know the specifics of it.
• 12:46
  Kay Dunning: If a parent has um like a positive blood type and the child has negative, um, it develops antibodies in a in the mom's body.
• 12:55
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 12:55
  Kay Dunning: So the next child, if that same situation occurs, the antibodies attack the um opposite blood type.
• 13:02
  Kay Dunning: And so that was the case with my mom.
• 13:05
  Kay Dunning: Her older sister and my grandma had different blood types.
• 13:08
  Kay Dunning: My grandma developed these antibodies, and so my mom um her blood type was different, also, and so sh her blood, she was attacked by it.
• 13:18
  Kay Dunning: So she was sickly until she was about seven years old.
• 13:21
  Kay Dunning: Um, so so now you now you get something called a rogam shot and it takes care of that.
• 13:28
  Kay Dunning: Takes care of that, but um, but that caused her teeth to not develop properly.
• 13:32
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 13:33
  Douglas: And so she's like, So she had to get teeth whitened and straightened in order if she wanted to be on PNM.
• 13:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:39
  Douglas: How are they whitening teeth in the 50s?
• 13:41
  Douglas: I don't think that the crest whitened.
• 13:43
  Kay Dunning: I don't know exactly what she was gonna do.
• 13:45
  Kay Dunning: I don't that one I don't know.
• 13:47
  Kay Dunning: But she also got um got told about a job up here in Haines um as a teacher, and she's like, I'm going home.
• 13:55
  Kay Dunning: And so she decided Alaska was her home.
• 13:58
  Kay Dunning: She packed her stuff up, got on a steamership, came up here, and that was in 1956.
• 14:05
  Douglas: 1956, she sets foot in Haines.
• 14:07
  Kay Dunning: She sets foot in Haines, and my dad happened to be told to go to the airport to pick up or to to the boat to pick up this young lady that was coming in as a teacher.
• 14:19
  Kay Dunning: And so he meets her, he takes her to her apartment, which was over at the Schnobel apartments, which is Heisler Hardware, now Talias.
• 14:27
  Kay Dunning: Talia's, yeah.
• 14:28
  Kay Dunning: Um, and drops her off, takes her stuff up, and they don't see each other really for a year.
• 14:33
  Kay Dunning: Now he will tell you that, or he would have told told you that when he saw her, he decided he was gonna marry her that very day.
• 14:42
  Kay Dunning: That was that was it.
• 14:43
  Kay Dunning: So a year later, they meet while doing um or remeet during um Arsenic and Old Lace.
• 14:50
  Douglas: Um what arsenic?
• 14:52
  Kay Dunning: Arsenic and Old Lace, it's a play.
• 14:54
  Douglas: Okay, I was gonna say, what the heck are they playing around with?
• 14:58
  Kay Dunning: I'm sorry, no.
• 14:59
  Kay Dunning: It's a it's a play.
• 15:00
  Kay Dunning: They were both uh involved with the uh Lincolnal community players.
• 15:03
  Douglas: And so they were both in the play.
• 15:05
  Kay Dunning: Mm-hmm.
• 15:06
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 15:07
  Kay Dunning: And so they got together after a cast party, and uh another year later they were married in 1958.
• 15:16
  Douglas: So if you did if your dad thought on the first meeting with her that he's gonna marry her, why did it what that's really taking your time there, taking a year before you see her again.
• 15:28
  Kay Dunning: Did you know my mom?
• 15:29
  Kay Dunning: She was a little on the stubborn side at times.
• 15:30
  Kay Dunning: Well, very independent.
• 15:32
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 15:32
  Douglas: But at the same time, I mean, he we wasn't even trying.
• 15:36
  Kay Dunning: Well, she was dating some other guys in town too.
• 15:38
  Douglas: Okay.
• 15:38
  Kay Dunning: She had some some guys that yeah.
• 15:40
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, some that you would know, and and uh Okay.
• 15:43
  Kay Dunning: Nothing wrong with that.
• 15:45
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 15:45
  Kay Dunning: So she was being very active in her social life and stuff, so but they got they got married and um, like I said, 1958, and then had my brother in 61.
• 15:57
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and then I came along in 65.
• 16:00
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 16:01
  Douglas: So and did you guys grow up in the house in Port Chilkoot?
• 16:05
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 16:05
  Douglas: So that's from a child, that's that was your home in Haines.
• 16:09
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, my brother was born in Seattle, so I'm the only one in my my immediate family that's uh true Alaskan claims.
• 16:14
  Douglas: True Alaskan.
• 16:15
  Douglas: Were you born at the Hume old Human Resources Clinic?
• 16:18
  Kay Dunning: No, uh they weren't delivering babies then.
• 16:21
  Kay Dunning: Uh I was in Juneau.
• 16:23
  Douglas: You're in Juneau?
• 16:23
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 16:23
  Kay Dunning: Or maybe they were, and for whatever reason my mom chose to go to Juneau.
• 16:27
  Kay Dunning: She'd had some some issues with that, so that's probably why.
• 16:30
  Kay Dunning: So I was four days old when I moved to Haines.
• 16:32
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Douglas: I got you beat.
• 16:35
  Douglas: I was born at the Human Resources Building.
• 16:38
  Kay Dunning: Human Resources Building.
• 16:39
  Douglas: It was called the Wells the Preschool Building right below the right next right below the swamp.
• 16:43
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, it's it's the the gray clinic.
• 16:45
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 16:45
  Douglas: Yeah, the old clinic before Stan built the new one.
• 16:48
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, I I remember that one well.
• 16:51
  Kay Dunning: It was kind of spooky.
• 16:53
  Douglas: Well, I uh I always thought I was born in the clinic.
• 16:57
  Kay Dunning: Oh, did you really?
• 16:58
  Douglas: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 16:59
  Douglas: I was told I was born in Haines.
• 17:00
  Douglas: I was by the time I was old enough to know anything, that's the clinic that we went to.
• 17:04
  Douglas: That's and so I always thought it was there, and I forget how old I was.
• 17:07
  Douglas: My mom and dad were like, no, you're born over there.
• 17:10
  Douglas: I was like, why would you give birth there?
• 17:13
  Douglas: The clinic's over here.
• 17:15
  Douglas: Like, well, it used to be over there.
• 17:18
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, things move in this town.
• 17:19
  Kay Dunning: Things move in this town.
• 17:20
  Kay Dunning: The police department, you know, the post office.
• 17:23
  Douglas: Several different homes for each of them.
• 17:25
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:26
  Douglas: It's about ready to move again, the clinic.
• 17:28
  Kay Dunning: Oh, that's right.
• 17:28
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, it is.
• 17:29
  Kay Dunning: I wonder what we'll go in there.
• 17:31
  Kay Dunning: Hmm.
• 17:32
  Kay Dunning: We'll have to find something new purpose for that.
• 17:35
  Douglas: Should we put that on your to-do list?
• 17:38
  Kay Dunning: Oh, on my docket.
• 17:39
  Douglas: Should we put that on Kay's docket?
• 17:40
  Douglas: Finding a new home for that.
• 17:41
  Douglas: Wait, didn't you sign up to be the new uh, you know, aren't you on the ballot for the well, yeah, but that doesn't sound like so that's that sounds like a private enterprise thing that should happen that somebody should reach out to search and see what their plans are.
• 17:53
  Douglas: So we could put that on.
• 17:54
  Kay Dunning: Put it on Tom Morphe.
• 17:55
  Kay Dunning: He'll have time.
• 17:55
  Douglas: Tom will have time.
• 17:56
  Douglas: We'll let Tom take care of it.
• 17:58
  Douglas: You're up, Tom.
• 18:00
  Douglas: So what what are your early memories then of growing up in the fort with you and your brother?
• 18:07
  Kay Dunning: Um, you know, I I remember actually before that my parents added on the garage onto our house, it, you know, the exterior was were our little coat porches.
• 18:19
  Kay Dunning: Um I remember playing with Danny Twiliger and David Twiliger.
• 18:24
  Kay Dunning: And uh my brother taking piano lessons from Mrs.
• 18:29
  Kay Dunning: Twiliger.
• 18:30
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 18:31
  Kay Dunning: Um I'm not gonna say first names because I sometimes I don't remember all the first names.
• 18:36
  Kay Dunning: Um let's see, what else?
• 18:38
  Kay Dunning: Lisa Strew or Lisa Flory and I they live they lived in so on Soapsoad Alley, just kitty corner from our house where Michael Marks lives now.
• 18:50
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 18:51
  Kay Dunning: And um Helen would watch me in um during the day when my mom was teaching.
• 18:56
  Kay Dunning: And so I remember Lisa and I having chicken pox together and taking um a bath in the big claw foot tub at the top of these, at the top of the stairs.
• 19:07
  Kay Dunning: And just a couple years ago I got to walk in there and and uh Lori and Michael um were showing me around.
• 19:14
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, is there still a claw foot tub upstairs?
• 19:16
  Kay Dunning: Is there still a bathroom up there?
• 19:18
  Kay Dunning: Like, do I remember it correctly?
• 19:19
  Kay Dunning: And they're like, yep, here it is, the original one.
• 19:21
  Kay Dunning: It's still there.
• 19:22
  Kay Dunning: It's still there.
• 19:23
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:23
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Kay Dunning: So um, and then I I remember snowmobiling around in the in the parade ground.
• 19:31
  Kay Dunning: Parade grounds, yeah, with um the sages.
• 19:34
  Kay Dunning: And Joanne Ewing was over there.
• 19:37
  Kay Dunning: And let's see who else there was um there was a lot of there were some um kids and families that lived up on the top on Officers Row that rented out houses and stuff.
• 19:47
  Kay Dunning: So it was a really active, active area.
• 19:51
  Kay Dunning: I remember running up and down the totem poles as a kid when they would be carving them out in the room.
• 19:56
  Douglas: Yeah, because you're right next to Alaska Indian Arts.
• 19:58
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:59
  Kay Dunning: Um and Danny and I would um Danny Tulliger and I would go up, there was the um shop that Tresham had.
• 20:08
  Kay Dunning: That's been a gift shop for as long as I can remember.
• 20:12
  Kay Dunning: And tourists would come walking down that road, you know, the dirt road, and they would lose money.
• 20:18
  Kay Dunning: And Danny and I would climb underneath that as going up the steps.
• 20:22
  Kay Dunning: I don't know how it happened, but Danny and I would go up or underneath the uh steps and under the building, and we'd find find coins and and money under there.
• 20:32
  Douglas: I used to pocket it.
• 20:33
  Douglas: I used to climb under the porch of the store all the time in the summertime.
• 20:37
  Kay Dunning: Did you find money?
• 20:38
  Douglas: Oh, absolutely.
• 20:38
  Douglas: That's why I kept going under there.
• 20:40
  Douglas: It's just dirty and disgusting as all get out, but do you find money?
• 20:44
  Kay Dunning: There's money to be had down there.
• 20:45
  Kay Dunning: Exactly.
• 20:46
  Kay Dunning: Um I don't know if you remember in the fort they had uh right by that gift shop, um, they had two caches.
• 20:53
  Kay Dunning: One was sat on the ground and one was up in the one was up higher.
• 20:57
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and so we would climb up in that one, but the one on the ground we would go in that was like a little fort.
• 21:02
  Kay Dunning: And I remember coming out one time and I stood up and the roof extended out a couple feet past the entrance, and I stood up into it and broke my first broke my first tooth.
• 21:13
  Kay Dunning: So um, yeah, the tribal house playing up in that.
• 21:19
  Kay Dunning: It was it was a really good place to grow up.
• 21:23
  Douglas: Did you ever go up to the old the water reservoir and swim in that as a kid?
• 21:26
  Kay Dunning: Thank you.
• 21:27
  Kay Dunning: Yes, I remember that, and I have these terrifying nightmares still to this day of being a little kid trying to go down in it.
• 21:35
  Kay Dunning: Do you remember did it have steps?
• 21:37
  Douglas: I don't remember.
• 21:38
  Douglas: I went up there once again, like like you're saying, as a little kid.
• 21:41
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Douglas: Everybody's gonna go swimming in the reservoir, and I was like, oh, okay.
• 21:45
  Douglas: And going there, and it just looks sketchy as I'll get out.
• 21:49
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Douglas: As a kid, I was like, I don't know if I want to go swimming in here.
• 21:53
  Douglas: And I don't know how long we were there.
• 21:55
  Douglas: I don't know if we went in the water or not.
• 21:56
  Douglas: I don't remember any steps or if there's like a steel ladder going down in it.
• 22:00
  Kay Dunning: I don't remember I I remember like the concrete angle and just being terrified because pretty steep going down there.
• 22:07
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Kay Dunning: And then it got pretty deep on the far end, I think, didn't it?
• 22:11
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Douglas: And then years later, I was trying to find this reservoir.
• 22:16
  Douglas: And it I was like Is it still there?
• 22:18
  Douglas: I don't know if it is or not.
• 22:19
  Kay Dunning: I've been I went up there the other day looking for it.
• 22:22
  Kay Dunning: Just I didn't climb all the way up.
• 22:23
  Kay Dunning: There's a water tower.
• 22:25
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Kay Dunning: Um, because it's right behind the uh LDS church.
• 22:29
  Kay Dunning: There's the water tower, but I I didn't I well I haven't been able to find the reservoir.
• 22:34
  Douglas: I don't know if it's still there.
• 22:35
  Douglas: I don't know if it got filtered.
• 22:36
  Kay Dunning: I'm actually remembering it because I I keep thinking it's in my mind.
• 22:40
  Kay Dunning: It's like uh uh but yeah, I remember swimming there.
• 22:43
  Kay Dunning: My brother loved going swimming there.
• 22:45
  Douglas: Okay.
• 22:45
  Kay Dunning: I don't know how anybody could.
• 22:46
  Kay Dunning: It was scary.
• 22:48
  Douglas: Well, what what about 11 mile?
• 22:49
  Kay Dunning: Do you remember swimming at the leeches?
• 22:52
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, I know, I see and glass.
• 22:54
  Douglas: There's always some knucklehead that would break, they were drinking it at the night or whatever.
• 22:58
  Douglas: The kids would go out there during the day, and there's usually glass in the water and stuff too.
• 23:02
  Douglas: My mom was always like, Will you be careful where you're stepping out there?
• 23:05
  Kay Dunning: My brother, do you remember the old diving board, the wood diving board?
• 23:08
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, so he was out there with uh some of his buddies, and I swear he was so accident prone.
• 23:16
  Kay Dunning: But he was out there jumping off the diving board and he dove in, hit his head on the bottom, which it wasn't lucky that's a big thing.
• 23:23
  Douglas: Yeah, you're lucky he didn't break his neck.
• 23:25
  Kay Dunning: But he did find glass and he cut open his the top of his head.
• 23:28
  Kay Dunning: Um, so your mom was a very smart person for saying that.
• 23:32
  Douglas: But I I drive by there now, it's like, how did what responsible parent would bring their kids out here to swim in this?
• 23:40
  Kay Dunning: Right.
• 23:40
  Kay Dunning: Well, and swimming on one side and car washing on the other side.
• 23:44
  Kay Dunning: I don't know if you're but that's where the leeches were.
• 23:47
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 23:47
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I I avoided that as much as possible.
• 23:53
  Douglas: Well, it but it was it was always warmer than in the bay.
• 23:56
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 23:56
  Douglas: So you go out there because of a smaller body of water, you get that nice bright sunny day.
• 24:00
  Kay Dunning: And it would warm up.
• 24:01
  Douglas: It was actually fairly warm.
• 24:02
  Kay Dunning: It was kind of sandy on the bottom.
• 24:04
  Douglas: It kind of had a sandy bottom on it, kind of that river silt.
• 24:06
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 24:07
  Douglas: As long as you weren't stepping in glass.
• 24:08
  Douglas: Or getting, then it was a great experience.
• 24:14
  Kay Dunning: Pretty much staying just right outside the water was good.
• 24:17
  Kay Dunning: Put your toes right in it.
• 24:18
  Douglas: Put your toes right in it, that was about it.
• 24:20
  Kay Dunning: But did you did you go swimming down in the uh in the bay?
• 24:23
  Douglas: Oh yeah.
• 24:24
  Douglas: Well, I don't know if it's I don't know if you can call it swimming.
• 24:27
  Douglas: We'd wade into the water and run in and run out until we got older and started water skiing down there.
• 24:32
  Kay Dunning: When I was in high school, um Trudy Rikert was her name, and um uh she and I would have a deal that at the start, it was like the I don't know if it was in April or when the first sunny day in April or something, we would we would go run out into the water, get totally soaked, freeze, come back, and then we would go into town and get ice cream.
• 24:53
  Kay Dunning: It was sunny.
• 24:56
  Douglas: How old were you when you were doing this?
• 24:58
  Kay Dunning: Like 13, 14.
• 25:01
  Douglas: In April?
• 25:02
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 25:02
  Kay Dunning: You're running into it's a sunny, yeah.
• 25:06
  Kay Dunning: But remember, on a sunny day, you know, it's the start of spring.
• 25:10
  Douglas: It it it does feel like spring, but the water's still really, really cold.
• 25:13
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, well, it doesn't change much in the temperature.
• 25:16
  Kay Dunning: So it's just the ambient technicality temperature in the air.
• 25:20
  Douglas: That's once you get out, then uh then it's a different story, but I had no idea if I I know there are people that go swim in that almost year round.
• 25:28
  Kay Dunning: Now, yeah, every day.
• 25:30
  Kay Dunning: Every day.
• 25:31
  Kay Dunning: I have the utmost respect for them and think, not for me, thank you.
• 25:36
  Douglas: Yeah, this whole cold plunge thing is not for me.
• 25:38
  Kay Dunning: No, no, no, no.
• 25:39
  Douglas: I've been told it's good for me, but I I don't care.
• 25:42
  Kay Dunning: Give me a nice warm area, it's all good.
• 25:44
  Douglas: Although have you been in one of those I was at a a place and then they they had the cold plunge, uh-huh, but then they also had this room that gets to like 140 below.
• 25:56
  Kay Dunning: 140 below.
• 25:58
  Douglas: Yeah, it was like 120 and 140 below, and you can go in there for like two minutes.
• 26:03
  Kay Dunning: And your skin doesn't freeze that?
• 26:05
  Douglas: No.
• 26:05
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 26:06
  Douglas: I I did it and I lived, and it didn't feel that bad.
• 26:09
  Douglas: I don't know what it is because the water was the water was like four.
• 26:13
  Douglas: I just did it a couple years ago.
• 26:15
  Kay Dunning: Well, I was gonna say maybe it was back before the brain connection was fully there, Doug.
• 26:19
  Douglas: Well, the brain connection still isn't fully there, we're still working on that.
• 26:24
  Douglas: Is anybody everybody that knows me is well aware that we're still trying to get everything to connect up there.
• 26:29
  Douglas: But no, it's it's it's supposed to be healthy for you, but doing the cold plunge, yeah, 45 degree, 40 degree water, 45 degree water, it's like, yeah, this is not for me.
• 26:38
  Kay Dunning: It's supposed to be good.
• 26:39
  Douglas: Standing in that room, like 120 below, did not feel that bad.
• 26:45
  Kay Dunning: Wow.
• 26:46
  Douglas: For two minutes.
• 26:46
  Kay Dunning: Wow, I can't imagine.
• 26:48
  Douglas: I thought they were nuts when they were telling me this was the temperature.
• 26:51
  Douglas: But you put on the these like fleece shorts and you got slippers on your feet, and you got uh ear thing over your ears and you got mittens on.
• 27:01
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 27:01
  Douglas: The rest of you is bare skin.
• 27:03
  Douglas: You go in there.
• 27:05
  Kay Dunning: And what's the purpose of it?
• 27:07
  Douglas: I can't remember.
• 27:09
  Douglas: I don't I don't know.
• 27:09
  Douglas: I don't know if it's somebody that just said, hey, I bet if we make this extreme enough, we'll get somebody to pay us to do that.
• 27:16
  Douglas: That could be it.
• 27:17
  Douglas: But I remember them telling me that there were health benefits to doing this.
• 27:20
  Kay Dunning: Sounds like a reality show.
• 27:23
  Douglas: But well, they had a lot of people going in and doing it.
• 27:26
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, just to say they did it.
• 27:28
  Kay Dunning: Wow.
• 27:28
  Douglas: I don't know if it was just to for me, it was just to say that I did it.
• 27:32
  Douglas: That um, yeah, you can't be in Alaska and go someplace and people say, hey, there's something really cool is in Seattle.
• 27:37
  Douglas: It's in Edmonds, Washington.
• 27:40
  Kay Dunning: Interesting.
• 27:40
  Douglas: They had uh that spot with the the infrared, the um like the um the boots that you put on your legs that have the different pressure that go back and forth on them, the recovery boots and stuff.
• 27:51
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 27:52
  Douglas: They had those in there, and they had saunas, they had uh um yeah, the saunas, the hot tubs, they had the cold plunge, they had this, just different recovery methods and stuff that are supposed to help your body recover and do better.
• 28:08
  Kay Dunning: Well, we only did it one time a year.
• 28:10
  Douglas: I like I like all of them, but except the cold ones.
• 28:13
  Kay Dunning: Except the cold ones.
• 28:14
  Douglas: The cold ones.
• 28:15
  Douglas: I was like, yeah, I don't know.
• 28:16
  Kay Dunning: No, you get enough of that.
• 28:17
  Douglas: I get enough of that walking around.
• 28:18
  Douglas: You don't get ice.
• 28:19
  Kay Dunning: See, the problem is you didn't get ice cream afterwards.
• 28:21
  Kay Dunning: That's you you need ice cream.
• 28:24
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, that's that was the point.
• 28:26
  Kay Dunning: That's the missing.
• 28:26
  Kay Dunning: You know, that's the reward for going in and doing the cold stuff.
• 28:30
  Douglas: So you guys couldn't go get ice cream without going into the well, you know, we just thought we thought you had to do it.
• 28:36
  Kay Dunning: It was a turtle.
• 28:37
  Douglas: How many years did you do that?
• 28:38
  Douglas: Did you do that all the way through high school then?
• 28:40
  Kay Dunning: I think we did it three or four years, yeah.
• 28:41
  Douglas: Three or four yeah.
• 28:43
  Douglas: So now that you guys now that Rick's retired, are you retired as well?
• 28:49
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 28:50
  Kay Dunning: Not successfully, but yes.
• 28:52
  Douglas: Okay.
• 28:52
  Douglas: So now are you gonna be back in April and gonna go?
• 28:54
  Douglas: Are you gonna relive your tradition, get your husband to go down there and say, hey, we got ice cream coming up after this, but we gotta run into the bay.
• 29:01
  Kay Dunning: Where can I get the ice cream?
• 29:03
  Douglas: I'll tell you's you can get it to Leah's, I'll make sure she's open, or I'll you tell me what flavor, and I'll be there with the cones and I'll get the cones.
• 29:12
  Douglas: If you guys are gonna do that the first part, first sunny day in April, let me know ahead of time.
• 29:17
  Douglas: I'll have cones there reading.
• 29:19
  Kay Dunning: You know, Rick's an Indiana boy.
• 29:20
  Kay Dunning: I don't know if he can handle it.
• 29:22
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 29:24
  Douglas: One way to find out how tough he is, Kay.
• 29:26
  Kay Dunning: This is true.
• 29:27
  Kay Dunning: This is true.
• 29:28
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Douglas: He's been living in Minnesota for quite a while.
• 29:31
  Douglas: He's you know, it's a little northern there.
• 29:33
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:33
  Douglas: It's you know, it's a little colder there, but don't have to do it, but just so you know, if you decide to go down that route.
• 29:41
  Kay Dunning: The offer stands?
• 29:42
  Douglas: The offer stands, I'm here to help.
• 29:44
  Kay Dunning: You've got to do that.
• 29:46
  Douglas: Marty's here to have a the anybody that watches this, his cameras are recording this.
• 29:51
  Kay Dunning: So I'm gonna get ice cream, and and here's the people that swim every day going, what is she doing?
• 29:59
  Douglas: She's doing this for ice cream.
• 30:00
  Douglas: You guys want some too?
• 30:01
  Douglas: We'll we'll have we got a whole court of it or whatever.
• 30:04
  Kay Dunning: Polar plunge day, you're gonna have to do that.
• 30:06
  Douglas: Yeah, I I stay away from Polar Plunge Day.
• 30:09
  Kay Dunning: So I got a question for you.
• 30:10
  Kay Dunning: Did you that's not how this works.
• 30:12
  Kay Dunning: Oh, too bad.
• 30:13
  Kay Dunning: Do you know what?
• 30:14
  Kay Dunning: I'm older than you.
• 30:15
  Kay Dunning: Respect your elders, Doug.
• 30:16
  Douglas: Okay, okay.
• 30:17
  Kay Dunning: I never did babysit you and Sarah, but I did babysit Locke.
• 30:20
  Kay Dunning: Um, were you part of the rifle club in uh school?
• 30:25
  Kay Dunning: Or was it still going?
• 30:27
  Douglas: It they didn't call it the necessarily the rifle club.
• 30:30
  Douglas: Okay, but I remember in junior high school we had hunter safety with Carlisle Stuart.
• 30:34
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 30:35
  Douglas: And once we were done with Hunter Safety, we could come in early in the morning on certain days and shoot in the gymnasium.
• 30:42
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 30:43
  Douglas: That they would lift the mats up on on the stage, open up the deals, and as as long as you'd had past your hunter safety, and and that was part of the hunter safety too, is to go in there and shoot.
• 30:52
  Douglas: Oh, okay.
• 30:52
  Douglas: And so uh Bob Atkins was usually help.
• 30:55
  Douglas: Carlisle did the hunter safety, Bob Atkins was doing the shooting part of it.
• 30:59
  Kay Dunning: So Bob ran a rifle club when I was in junior high, and um, and so I got to do that and loved it, absolutely loved it.
• 31:08
  Kay Dunning: You know, you're laying on the floor shooting a 22, but yeah, you're in school shooting guns.
• 31:12
  Kay Dunning: And you know what happens sometimes?
• 31:14
  Douglas: You missed.
• 31:15
  Kay Dunning: Sometimes you miss, and sometimes you put a hole in the gymnasium floor.
• 31:20
  Douglas: Wait, what uh you hit the floor?
• 31:23
  Kay Dunning: I hit the floor.
• 31:24
  Kay Dunning: How do you I don't know.
• 31:26
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 31:28
  Douglas: So what what did it just leave how big a hole did you lose?
• 31:31
  Douglas: I don't remember any holes in the floor, okay?
• 31:34
  Kay Dunning: It was a very small hole.
• 31:36
  Kay Dunning: I don't know exactly how it happened, but we we found that one.
• 31:40
  Kay Dunning: And then um, but so I don't feel quite so bad because one of the police officers in town did training in there and also missed the backstab.
• 31:50
  Douglas: You missed the backstab?
• 31:51
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 31:51
  Douglas: I remember when I um out of college I went to Minnesota for six months and I moved back to Seattle and I got a job at Loomis Armored, driving an armored truck and a garden for Loomis Armored.
• 32:02
  Kay Dunning: Oh wow.
• 32:02
  Douglas: Well it was it was part-time and it paid pretty well for a part-time job.
• 32:07
  Douglas: I was like, well, I'll just do this until I can find a full-time job.
• 32:10
  Douglas: And so in their office, they had this small firing range, and they give you a 357, you gotta go back there and you gotta show that you can shoot a gun before they'll hire you.
• 32:22
  Douglas: And I was like, all right, I've been doing this for a long time and didn't have any problem with it.
• 32:25
  Douglas: And when I get in my first truck for training, there's two other guys in the truck, I'm in the passenger seat, and they're asking how I did on my train.
• 32:33
  Douglas: I was like, Well, I you know, grew up around guns my whole life, it really wasn't an issue.
• 32:37
  Douglas: And they're telling me about another guy that was still working there, that when he tried to qualify, they'd been they're painting the inside of the range, uh-huh, and there's a bucket of paint like halfway between him, and he hits the bucket of paint.
• 32:54
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 32:55
  Douglas: I'm like, well, good shot on the bucket of paint, but seriously, they still hired him.
• 33:00
  Kay Dunning: That's what I was just gonna actually hear from.
• 33:02
  Douglas: The standards are a little lower than I thought.
• 33:05
  Douglas: I don't know if that I never got verification from other people, but there's there's a couple couple guys there that told me the same story.
• 33:12
  Douglas: So I don't know if they're just trying to pick on this guy.
• 33:14
  Douglas: Or if it or if it actually happened that he hit the can of paint instead of the target in the middle of the rifle or the shooting range.
• 33:23
  Kay Dunning: I you know, I uh when I was in college, um, Rick got me a uh 380 pistol.
• 33:30
  Douglas: Okay.
• 33:31
  Kay Dunning: And uh we'd that was kind of mean of him.
• 33:33
  Douglas: Those kicked a little bit.
• 33:34
  Douglas: Those can be a little snappy when you're shooting it, because they're they're usually really small, which a lot of guys think is good for a woman's hand.
• 33:41
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Douglas: But they can be snappy on you.
• 33:43
  Kay Dunning: It's a good little pistol.
• 33:44
  Kay Dunning: You like it?
• 33:44
  Kay Dunning: I like it, yeah.
• 33:45
  Kay Dunning: I and I've never used it for anything except at the target range, but um we went out to a local target range so I could um or in in indoor one, and a friend of mine was happened to be running the range, and so he puts up, you know, the man figure and stuff like that, and he's like, Okay, I want you to aim for his heart.
• 34:02
  Kay Dunning: Well, I dropped my pistol when I shoot.
• 34:06
  Kay Dunning: And so they brought it in and I had a perfect circle.
• 34:11
  Kay Dunning: It's like that'll take care of it right there.
• 34:13
  Douglas: He wasn't gonna be reproducing, is that what you're suggesting?
• 34:17
  Kay Dunning: You hit the heart of the matter.
• 34:20
  Douglas: So was Rick a little nervous after that by the time you handle the gun and better behave myself.
• 34:26
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:28
  Douglas: So did you was that an an everyday thing when you guys were in school with the rifle club?
• 34:34
  Douglas: Or how often did you guys go into the gym?
• 34:36
  Kay Dunning: We were oh gosh.
• 34:38
  Douglas: I only remember doing it like half a dozen times, Matt.
• 34:41
  Kay Dunning: No, it was I mean, we were a club.
• 34:42
  Douglas: Okay.
• 34:43
  Kay Dunning: You know, like you've got your pep club and stuff like that.
• 34:45
  Kay Dunning: We were a club.
• 34:46
  Kay Dunning: And so we um I don't remember how frequently we met, maybe once a week, maybe every other or maybe twice a week.
• 34:53
  Kay Dunning: But yeah, it went for it went for several months.
• 34:57
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 34:58
  Kay Dunning: And really I did make it to Sharpshooter.
• 35:00
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, there you go.
• 35:02
  Kay Dunning: So but I've I've never used those skills outside of um outside of uh range.
• 35:11
  Douglas: I think the vast majority of people that have a firearm or shoot firearms are exactly the same as a lot of things.
• 35:17
  Douglas: It's it's fun, it's relaxing.
• 35:20
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Douglas: For me anyhow, it's it's just because you're so focused on the breathing, the trigger pull, you know, your sight picture, that kind of everything else kind of floats away.
• 35:31
  Douglas: You don't have room in your mind for whatever's going on at work or any of the other issues.
• 35:36
  Douglas: You're just focused on that thing.
• 35:38
  Douglas: And it's for me, it's kind of a therapeutic thing to just be there and kind of like yoga.
• 35:42
  Kay Dunning: And hear boom.
• 35:44
  Douglas: And then hear boom.
• 35:46
  Kay Dunning: Rick has a uh uh had a I don't know if he still has it, a 44.
• 35:50
  Kay Dunning: And when he ever goes to the the ranges, uh everybody stops and looks like it's a few years.
• 35:54
  Kay Dunning: It's a little dis a little disruptive, yeah.
• 35:58
  Douglas: So going through high school then in Haines.
• 36:04
  Kay Dunning: It was, you know, it was a really I would say it's a really good experience.
• 36:07
  Douglas: Um the high school is a couple years old when you started as a freshman.
• 36:16
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I think it was about four years old.
• 36:19
  Douglas: I think that's a good idea.
• 36:20
  Kay Dunning: I think my brother was maybe the first year and he's yeah, he's four years older than me.
• 36:23
  Kay Dunning: Um but yeah, and it was it was independent school as opposed to being the um what it is now, yeah.
• 36:31
  Douglas: Just the high school over there.
• 36:32
  Kay Dunning: So I can go into the new stuff, the new area, and it's like I kind of remember this area, but I kind of don't, you know, it's like they tweaked itself.
• 36:40
  Kay Dunning: But um, you know, I I think we grew up at or I grew up at such a time, and I'm I think you did too, that the travel with the sports you know, they were less restrictive than they are now.
• 36:53
  Kay Dunning: If you missed a lot of days, you missed a lot of days, because we would go out Wednesday nights usually on the ferry, um, and then come home Sunday.
• 37:04
  Kay Dunning: And then go out Wednesday night, come home Sunday, and um for volleyball especially.
• 37:10
  Kay Dunning: Um Marion was my coach and and she would uh administer tests and we would do our homework and stuff.
• 37:17
  Douglas: Yeah, we were Wednesday through Monday.
• 37:18
  Douglas: Oh you came back Monday afternoon.
• 37:21
  Kay Dunning: Okay, so we we always got back Sunday.
• 37:23
  Kay Dunning: Well, depending on where we were at.
• 37:25
  Kay Dunning: Did you ever um you were in basketball then?
• 37:28
  Douglas: Yeah, cross country basketball, um, music fest.
• 37:32
  Kay Dunning: Did you uh um did you fly for any of your occasionally I remember into Angoon and it was the first time I'd ever been on a float plane.
• 37:40
  Kay Dunning: It was the coolest thing ever.
• 37:42
  Douglas: Well, the place we took float planes was to Metla Catla a couple times.
• 37:46
  Kay Dunning: Oh, did you?
• 37:46
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 37:47
  Douglas: We'd ferry one way, float plane back the other way.
• 37:50
  Douglas: Okay.
• 37:50
  Douglas: Um, and or vice versa, but I think two years, a lot of times we took the chill cat back and forth to Metlakatla.
• 37:56
  Douglas: Okay.
• 37:56
  Douglas: But there's a couple times that we were in float planes, and I I think I can't remember it had been my sophomore year, I think.
• 38:03
  Douglas: And somebody that I was in the plane with, the pilot had graduated from Metlakatla a few a couple years before, and they knew them.
• 38:12
  Douglas: Oh, and he's or I I don't know how it went down, but the pilot's like, you want to do roller coasters?
• 38:19
  Douglas: And whoever this was in the front's like, absolutely.
• 38:23
  Douglas: So pretty much the whole way it's up and just dropped.
• 38:25
  Douglas: Up and just drop.
• 38:26
  Douglas: Like, you've got to be kidding me.
• 38:29
  Douglas: This is not fun.
• 38:31
  Douglas: I'm not enjoying this.
• 38:33
  Douglas: No, no, we landed and goes, wasn't that fun?
• 38:35
  Douglas: I'm like, no, no, no, that wasn't fun.
• 38:38
  Douglas: I do that enough flying.
• 38:39
  Douglas: You do that enough flying in the Lynn Canal already, just with the weather.
• 38:43
  Douglas: Yeah, I don't need somebody adding on to that on purpose.
• 38:46
  Kay Dunning: You know, my my uh senior year of high school, this is one of those things.
• 38:50
  Kay Dunning: I was I was dating Rick.
• 38:52
  Kay Dunning: I just started dating Rick, but I had already I had a boyfriend down in Sitka, and um did not know this about you.
• 39:03
  Douglas: But boyfriends in every town and town.
• 39:07
  Kay Dunning: We were we had already agreed to go to um prom together.
• 39:11
  Douglas: Okay.
• 39:12
  Kay Dunning: This guy from Sitka.
• 39:12
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and so he flew up to Juno, and Rick's best friend was flying for LAB at the time, too.
• 39:19
  Kay Dunning: And so everybody knew that.
• 39:22
  Kay Dunning: Dude, this was the deal.
• 39:23
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Kay Dunning: And so he had his best friend fly him up, and he's the worst flight of his life.
• 39:34
  Douglas: Does he know that that's the reason he had the worst flight of his life?
• 39:37
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 39:38
  Douglas: Or if he comes across this, this might be the first time he hears about that.
• 39:42
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, well, I I don't think he'll I don't I'm hoping he doesn't listen to this.
• 39:47
  Douglas: You never know.
• 39:48
  Kay Dunning: Um yeah, but but the rest of it growing up, uh from my experience, you had to be involved in everything.
• 39:55
  Kay Dunning: Because if you weren't, there weren't enough people to to do stuff.
• 39:58
  Kay Dunning: And so, you know, you're in student government, you're in sports, you're in music.
• 40:02
  Kay Dunning: Um it's it was it was such a a fun time growing up.
• 40:08
  Douglas: Um I you know, I don't know if all high school was fun or not, but uh there were some classes that weren't that fun, but for the most of it, yeah, it it was fun.
• 40:17
  Kay Dunning: You know, I um my senior year again, I I took um what class was I in?
• 40:22
  Kay Dunning: It was with Mr.
• 40:24
  Kay Dunning: Morden, um, and I can't remember, it was oh, which math class is that?
• 40:29
  Douglas: Calculus trig?
• 40:30
  Douglas: Yes, it was the combination.
• 40:32
  Kay Dunning: It was the trig calculus, yep.
• 40:33
  Kay Dunning: And so I took a week of it and decided I don't like this.
• 40:37
  Kay Dunning: So I dropped it for photography.
• 40:39
  Douglas: Okay.
• 40:40
  Kay Dunning: And uh he didn't forgive me for that one for a little while.
• 40:43
  Kay Dunning: And so when I got to college, I tested out in my math classes.
• 40:49
  Kay Dunning: But just to prove to him that I could do it, I took a semester of trigonometry and a semester of calculus, just to prove to him just to show Mr.
• 40:59
  Kay Dunning: Morton I could do it.
• 41:01
  Douglas: He he got mad at me my senior year because I was his the first student that scored higher on the verbal than the math on SAT.
• 41:10
  Douglas: Oh, really?
• 41:10
  Douglas: When SAT scores came out, he was like, This is the first time this has ever happened.
• 41:15
  Douglas: He says, I've never had any other student score higher on the verbal than the math.
• 41:19
  Kay Dunning: Oh, really?
• 41:20
  Douglas: I thought I said, Well, I don't I don't know if it's necessarily anything the school did, it's just my mom's had me in books since I was little tiny since I could read.
• 41:29
  Douglas: Yeah, and I just read a ton.
• 41:31
  Douglas: I said, I think that had more to do with me scoring higher on the verbal than the math.
• 41:35
  Douglas: But yeah, he was just shaking his head.
• 41:37
  Douglas: He says, Doug, I don't know.
• 41:39
  Douglas: I've never had this happen before.
• 41:41
  Kay Dunning: And yeah.
• 41:42
  Kay Dunning: I I loved him though.
• 41:44
  Kay Dunning: Great math teacher.
• 41:45
  Kay Dunning: Oh, you're right.
• 41:45
  Kay Dunning: Great math teacher.
• 41:46
  Douglas: Yeah, absolutely.
• 41:47
  Kay Dunning: And Mr.
• 41:48
  Kay Dunning: Bruce, did you have him for science?
• 41:49
  Kay Dunning: Oh, absolutely.
• 41:50
  Kay Dunning: Loved him too.
• 41:51
  Douglas: Yeah, those for for high school, those are two of my favorite teachers, and then Woody Bausch and Band.
• 41:56
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 41:56
  Kay Dunning: You know, Woody Bausch, I loved him, loved him, but I made a deal with him that if I um auditioned for I think it was Honor Choir, maybe he wanted me to do.
• 42:09
  Kay Dunning: Honor Choir or Honor Band, one of the two.
• 42:11
  Kay Dunning: And if I got it, that he would teach me the saxophone because I played trumpet and I'd always wanted to learn the sax.
• 42:17
  Kay Dunning: And so that was our agreement.
• 42:20
  Kay Dunning: I lived up to my end of the deal.
• 42:22
  Kay Dunning: You still don't know how to play saxophone?
• 42:26
  Douglas: You want me to teach you?
• 42:28
  Kay Dunning: You know how to play the saxophone.
• 42:29
  Douglas: That's what I that's what I played throughout.
• 42:31
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I don't want ice cream, I want to learn how to play the saxophone.
• 42:33
  Kay Dunning: You know how to play.
• 42:36
  Kay Dunning: Marty knows how to play ice cream.
• 42:37
  Douglas: You got you got two people here who know how to play saxophone.
• 42:40
  Kay Dunning: How about guitar or ukulele?
• 42:42
  Douglas: No.
• 42:42
  Douglas: I can't do either.
• 42:44
  Douglas: No, no, those are beyond my Okay.
• 42:47
  Douglas: No, and I and I actually was a few years out of boy, it was about 12, 13 years out of high school.
• 42:55
  Douglas: I but I bought it a saxophone thinking because I I started off with tenor and then Woody wanted me to get uh in eighth grade because he knew he didn't have any um tubas.
• 43:06
  Douglas: And so he says, Would you play the berry sax for me so we can have that low bass going through?
• 43:11
  Douglas: And I was like, it's all whole notes and half notes and stuff.
• 43:14
  Douglas: This is gonna be cake.
• 43:15
  Douglas: Sure, let's do this.
• 43:17
  Douglas: And so I played berry sax the rest of the way.
• 43:19
  Douglas: Oh, did you really?
• 43:19
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 43:21
  Douglas: Through high school.
• 43:22
  Kay Dunning: And Marty, what'd you play?
• 43:23
  Kay Dunning: I I don't know who you that you can play.
• 43:25
  Douglas: Tenor or Alto Alto Sacks.
• 43:27
  Kay Dunning: Alto Sacks.
• 43:28
  Douglas: Yeah, Sarah Sarah was in Alto Sacks.
• 43:29
  Douglas: And so I couldn't do the same thing as my sister.
• 43:31
  Douglas: I had to do something different, but just because you were that was just because being difficult.
• 43:36
  Douglas: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:37
  Kay Dunning: My mom in so band started in fifth grade uh for us, and um the Mr.
• 43:43
  Kay Dunning: Matthews sent home a uh letter, you know, what instrument does your child want to play, or do you want your child to play?
• 43:48
  Kay Dunning: And everybody sent it in.
• 43:50
  Kay Dunning: My mom puts whatever is available.
• 43:52
  Kay Dunning: Whatever is available, June.
• 43:55
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 43:56
  Kay Dunning: Thank you, mom.
• 43:57
  Kay Dunning: I got the oboe.
• 43:59
  Douglas: You got the oboe?
• 44:00
  Kay Dunning: I played oboe for a year in fifth grade.
• 44:02
  Kay Dunning: I sure did.
• 44:03
  Douglas: And you did not like the truth.
• 44:04
  Kay Dunning: I did not enjoy the oboe.
• 44:05
  Kay Dunning: And I looked at her and I said, I want to play the trumpet.
• 44:09
  Kay Dunning: And so that next summer we were down in Oregon and she got me a tri-color coronet.
• 44:17
  Douglas: Okay.
• 44:18
  Kay Dunning: And I learned how to play the coronet down south, and I came back up and played that the rest of my school career in college.
• 44:25
  Douglas: What was it about the trumpet that you wanted to play?
• 44:28
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 44:29
  Kay Dunning: I just liked it.
• 44:30
  Douglas: Alright.
• 44:30
  Kay Dunning: Sounded cool.
• 44:31
  Kay Dunning: It's like the coolest instrument.
• 44:33
  Kay Dunning: You really, you know.
• 44:34
  Douglas: Well, I don't know if it's a coolest saxophone, I think, is pretty high up there, K, but if you're not squeaking, yeah.
• 44:38
  Douglas: That's true.
• 44:39
  Kay Dunning: You don't squeak usually on a trumpet.
• 44:43
  Douglas: But you can make some you can make some bad noises.
• 44:46
  Kay Dunning: You can make some bad noises.
• 44:47
  Douglas: It's not a squeak, but that's all right.
• 44:49
  Douglas: I mean Claris Clemens with the E Street band with the saxophone.
• 44:54
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 44:54
  Kay Dunning: I mean that's Kenny G on his Soprano sax.
• 44:57
  Kay Dunning: You know.
• 44:58
  Douglas: Yeah, I'm not as fan of the sac the soprano sax.
• 45:01
  Kay Dunning: No, the the deep, the deep berries are yeah.
• 45:04
  Douglas: The berry and the tenor are kind of I like that.
• 45:06
  Kay Dunning: What is the clarinet?
• 45:06
  Kay Dunning: That's a real low one, too.
• 45:08
  Kay Dunning: Is that it?
• 45:08
  Kay Dunning: I think Ann Anne Renee Hinman played that.
• 45:13
  Kay Dunning: The lower one.
• 45:14
  Douglas: Yeah, I don't I don't know.
• 45:16
  Kay Dunning: Drums are pretty cool.
• 45:17
  Kay Dunning: You can't really screw up on those too much.
• 45:19
  Douglas: I d I just remember Woody made it so much fun to go to class and play music.
• 45:24
  Kay Dunning: He was he yeah, he really did.
• 45:26
  Kay Dunning: He he made it a lot of fun.
• 45:28
  Douglas: He made a lot of fun.
• 45:29
  Douglas: And then once Music Fest was over, I don't know if he did this, but if there was a sunny day, we could usually talk him into going outside and playing softball or doing something outside.
• 45:40
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 45:40
  Douglas: Uh if there's a really good sunny day, but we we had to show that we knew the processional for graduation because after after music fest, that's the only thing.
• 45:49
  Kay Dunning: That's the only thing that's coming up.
• 45:50
  Douglas: And so as a freshman, you're like, I gotta get this, I gotta get this.
• 45:53
  Douglas: By the time you're you're junior, which is your lap, you're not playing your year.
• 45:56
  Douglas: Hopefully you'd better not be playing to your senior year because that means you're sticking around for year five.
• 46:01
  Douglas: But your junior year, you're like, Yeah, I've got this.
• 46:04
  Douglas: Let's go outside, Woody.
• 46:05
  Kay Dunning: You're like, Well, the freshman, freshmen still have a ways to go.
• 46:09
  Kay Dunning: Like, well, let them stay inside.
• 46:12
  Kay Dunning: Let them stay inside and practice.
• 46:14
  Douglas: Let us go outside and play.
• 46:16
  Kay Dunning: You know, he was my photography teacher, too.
• 46:18
  Kay Dunning: That's why I he made it fun.
• 46:20
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 46:21
  Douglas: And I that's what that's one of the things that I was I'm kind of bummed that they didn't have photography when I got to school.
• 46:27
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 46:28
  Douglas: That that kind of had gone away.
• 46:29
  Douglas: I did a little bit with John Bruce.
• 46:31
  Douglas: I can't remember if it was for a merit badge for scouting, but because the dark room was in the science, right off the science room there.
• 46:38
  Kay Dunning: For us, the dark room was in the music room.
• 46:42
  Douglas: Really?
• 46:42
  Douglas: One of those back one of the storage rooms?
• 46:45
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, back on the if you were looking at Mr.
• 46:48
  Kay Dunning: Bausch.
• 46:49
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 46:49
  Kay Dunning: And you went around to the right.
• 46:50
  Douglas: Okay.
• 46:51
  Kay Dunning: It was back there.
• 46:52
  Douglas: Yeah, because when I was in high school, as you walked in the science room right to the left, there's a little closet that had all the everything there.
• 46:59
  Douglas: Nope.
• 47:00
  Douglas: So John Bruce had it in his room.
• 47:02
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 47:02
  Kay Dunning: Nope.
• 47:03
  Kay Dunning: But he kept it over there.
• 47:04
  Kay Dunning: Probably so he could probably so he could keep I mean, he was a wonderful photographer.
• 47:07
  Kay Dunning: Oh, he did a great job with it.
• 47:08
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 47:09
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 47:09
  Kay Dunning: So so you know, with the uh uh traveling with sports, um, I I I told Ryan I was going to uh tell this little story because her name is um our daughter's name is is R-Y-A-N-N-E.
• 47:22
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 47:23
  Kay Dunning: And she was born down south, and so everybody down there is like, Ryan, Ryan, and I was like, no, I'm from the north, it's Ryan.
• 47:31
  Kay Dunning: And she it took her a long time to forgive me for spelling it that way.
• 47:36
  Kay Dunning: But I told her, I said I did it because if we ever moved back up to Alaska and she traveled with any of the sports or the music or anything like that, and got housed at people's houses.
• 47:45
  Kay Dunning: I wanted to make sure she got housed with the girls and not with the boys.
• 47:49
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 47:50
  Kay Dunning: So it took her a while to forgive me for that one.
• 47:53
  Douglas: Well, now they don't do that anymore.
• 47:55
  Douglas: You get housed as a group.
• 47:56
  Kay Dunning: That's what I heard, like in the churches or the schools.
• 47:58
  Douglas: Either that or a room in the school and stuff.
• 48:00
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Douglas: And I I'm sad for the kids now, but it's also good.
• 48:05
  Douglas: Because there are some sketchy places that we got.
• 48:07
  Douglas: There's some really nice places we got housed at.
• 48:10
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 48:10
  Douglas: And there's some sketchy places.
• 48:11
  Douglas: The people were always for the experiences I had, I never had a bad housing experience.
• 48:17
  Douglas: Some of the places were you go in there, it's like, oh, this is not gonna be good.
• 48:20
  Douglas: But I was always treated really well.
• 48:23
  Douglas: I it was it was always great no matter where I stayed.
• 48:26
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Douglas: And I was really appreciative of the learning opportunity to see so many different cultural variations throughout traveling through Southeast and And the friends you made doing it that way.
• 48:38
  Douglas: I mean you really got to I didn't really make friends that way, Kay.
• 48:41
  Kay Dunning: You did apparently I did.
• 48:43
  Douglas: You you Yeah, I did.
• 48:45
  Douglas: I I figured these people are my enemy.
• 48:47
  Douglas: I'm here to I'm competing and stuff.
• 48:49
  Douglas: It was it was a bad decision on my part, but I was like, I'm I'm not here to make friends with anybody.
• 48:53
  Douglas: I don't know.
• 48:54
  Douglas: I'm competing against them, and I know you're still friends with some of them.
• 48:57
  Douglas: Yeah, I I don't know really anybody in any town that I competed against in high school.
• 49:02
  Kay Dunning: You know, I was down in Ketchikan, uh gosh, this would have been my junior year, and Lisa Morden and I were housed together at a friend of mine's, uh another Lisa's house.
• 49:13
  Kay Dunning: And Lisa lived way out the road in Ketchikan, which I don't think I ever realized there was a way out the road in the road.
• 49:19
  Douglas: You can go a long ways out there.
• 49:21
  Kay Dunning: And so Lisa that we were staying with drove us into town, and on our way back out to her house that night, it was it was really foggy, rainy, and stuff like that, and we couldn't see the stripes on the road that well, so or the center line.
• 49:35
  Kay Dunning: So we would we would kind of follow like the white line, and if it disappeared, then we would drift over to the towards more of the center, and then we'd go back.
• 49:43
  Kay Dunning: So we're weaving down the road, and we get pulled over.
• 49:48
  Douglas: Well, of course you should.
• 49:50
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and so the officer asked for her license.
• 49:53
  Kay Dunning: Well, she has a permit.
• 49:54
  Kay Dunning: She didn't have her license license yet.
• 49:57
  Kay Dunning: And Lisa Morton did not have her driver's license.
• 50:01
  Kay Dunning: I'm the only one with the license.
• 50:03
  Douglas: Did you get a ticket?
• 50:05
  Kay Dunning: No, no, we didn't get a ticket.
• 50:07
  Kay Dunning: Well, let me rephrase that.
• 50:09
  Kay Dunning: The officer told me to drive us the rest of the way home.
• 50:14
  Kay Dunning: Well, it was a stick shift on the column.
• 50:16
  Kay Dunning: I've never driven one of those.
• 50:18
  Kay Dunning: And I looked at him, I go, You have a choice.
• 50:22
  Kay Dunning: You can have her keep driving home, and we'll get there safely.
• 50:27
  Kay Dunning: Or I can drive, and you'll probably be calling an ambulance because I will wreck somewhere along the line.
• 50:32
  Kay Dunning: I don't know where, but you know, I don't know this road, there's water there, that's not a good sign.
• 50:37
  Kay Dunning: There's a mountain there.
• 50:38
  Kay Dunning: And so he's like, just go.
• 50:42
  Kay Dunning: Just all of you go.
• 50:43
  Kay Dunning: And and I'm not gonna look, but I did heard hear that she had to go to court after that.
• 50:48
  Kay Dunning: So yeah.
• 50:58
  Douglas: If you're out in the val out far enough in the valley or out Ketchikan, and they worked in town, they dropped you off on the way, and so there's a in Ketchikan and Juneau.
• 51:09
  Douglas: I there's a couple times I got very familiar with the open area in the JDHS and the little mall in Ketchcan.
• 51:18
  Douglas: Because you just go sit there because you're there all day.
• 51:21
  Kay Dunning: You got nothing else you can do.
• 51:23
  Douglas: So they're dropping you off like eight o'clock at the school when they're on their way to work.
• 51:26
  Douglas: And for music festival or even basketball, you're it's eight, nine o'clock at night sometimes when you're done.
• 51:33
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 51:33
  Douglas: And they're picking you up to go home, and you're you're there for the day.
• 51:37
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 51:38
  Douglas: There's no shuttling back and forth.
• 51:39
  Kay Dunning: You better have some money for food.
• 51:41
  Douglas: You better have some food money, and you can better have something to do.
• 51:44
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Douglas: Or you're just gonna walk around aimlessly.
• 51:46
  Kay Dunning: Maybe that's one of the reasons they house everybody together now, too.
• 51:49
  Kay Dunning: It's a little bit more than that.
• 51:50
  Kay Dunning: Could be better.
• 51:51
  Douglas: Could be.
• 51:52
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 51:53
  Kay Dunning: Um, yeah, it it was.
• 51:56
  Douglas: But no, there's some really cool experiences of people saying just how the uh the only and this isn't a bad experience, but I don't know if I've told this on here before, but my senior year we're in Wrangle to play basketball.
• 52:09
  Kay Dunning: Uh-huh.
• 52:10
  Douglas: And I think it's the n the night we got there Thursday night or something, we're gonna play Friday, Saturday, sitting down to eat dinner, and the father of the house we're staying at, he's like, Oh, old.
• 52:21
  Douglas: He says, I recognize that name.
• 52:23
  Douglas: Did you have a sister or something?
• 52:24
  Douglas: I was like, Yeah, my sister Sarah.
• 52:26
  Douglas: Yeah, she was a really good ball player.
• 52:27
  Douglas: I was like, Yeah, she was.
• 52:28
  Douglas: What's that?
• 52:29
  Douglas: What is she doing now?
• 52:30
  Douglas: I said, She's playing at Western Oregon.
• 52:32
  Douglas: Oh, yeah, she was really good.
• 52:33
  Douglas: She says, So I I don't remember you.
• 52:35
  Douglas: Are you a freshman?
• 52:36
  Douglas: Like, yeah, no, I'm a senior.
• 52:38
  Douglas: I've been here for four years.
• 52:39
  Douglas: He goes, Oh, don't really remember you.
• 52:42
  Douglas: It's because I'm not nearly as good a ball player as my sister.
• 52:46
  Douglas: Pretty much put me in my place right there.
• 52:49
  Douglas: That I've done nothing memorable on the basketball court in Wrangle for anybody to remember me.
• 52:55
  Douglas: Or probably anywhere else in Southeast that was a bit.
• 52:57
  Douglas: Yeah, it it it let me know that I should not count on basketball to to do a whole lot for me.
• 53:06
  Kay Dunning: Uh you know, Wrangle it's a nice enough town, but I I took my um my SATs there.
• 53:14
  Kay Dunning: I was I was down there for I don't remember what what event we were down there for.
• 53:19
  Kay Dunning: It's always obviously in the spring.
• 53:21
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Kay Dunning: Um me?
• 53:22
  Kay Dunning: It wasn't track.
• 53:23
  Kay Dunning: Could have been track.
• 53:25
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 53:26
  Douglas: Um but you were there the day they're doing the SATs.
• 53:28
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, so I had to find my way from the house I was at to the school.
• 53:33
  Kay Dunning: Hadn't I because I'd only been to Wrangle a couple times and didn't know where it was.
• 53:38
  Kay Dunning: Got there, took the tests all day, and then came back and and uh needless to say I took it again in Haines because I didn't do quite as well.
• 53:47
  Douglas: You didn't do as do as well in Wrangle?
• 53:49
  Kay Dunning: No, no, I didn't.
• 53:50
  Kay Dunning: So um my uh senior year of high school, or right after I graduated, my mom, a very persuasive person, wanted me to try for a scholarship through the um Miss Alaska National Teen Program.
• 54:06
  Douglas: Okay.
• 54:07
  Kay Dunning: And so she I'm like, I'm I'm not doing this, mom.
• 54:11
  Kay Dunning: I am not going to do this pageant.
• 54:13
  Kay Dunning: I'm not I'm not a pageant person.
• 54:16
  Kay Dunning: And she's like, no, no, you have to do this.
• 54:19
  Kay Dunning: And so I talked by my dad into agreeing that I could get a du a puppy if I if I went and did it, and if I won.
• 54:27
  Kay Dunning: Well, that's not gonna happen.
• 54:29
  Douglas: So so I I you you gotta you're willing to do the pageant thing, which you don't want to do as long as you get a puppy.
• 54:35
  Kay Dunning: Uh as long as I got a puppy.
• 54:36
  Kay Dunning: Mind you, I've just graduated high school.
• 54:38
  Kay Dunning: If I get a puppy, I'm going off to college.
• 54:40
  Douglas: And mom and dad are taking care of the dog.
• 54:42
  Kay Dunning: I take care of the dog.
• 54:43
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 54:44
  Kay Dunning: So, um, and so my mom and dad drove up to Anchorage, which is where the pageant was being held.
• 54:50
  Kay Dunning: And uh to start off with, I was still here for another day or two before um before I had to go.
• 54:57
  Kay Dunning: And I'm like, I'm not I'm not gonna go.
• 55:00
  Douglas: And Rick you let you let your parents drive to Anchorage with the expectation they're gonna see you compete in a beauty pageant, yeah, and you're here going, Yeah, I'm not gonna show up.
• 55:11
  Kay Dunning: I don't think I'm gonna go.
• 55:12
  Kay Dunning: I don't think I'm gonna go.
• 55:13
  Kay Dunning: Well, Rick is, you know, he wants to stay in good graces with my mom and dad.
• 55:17
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, because we'd start to go.
• 55:18
  Kay Dunning: So he flies me down to Juneau, and we we get down to Juneau, and we were both working for LAB at the time.
• 55:27
  Kay Dunning: We get down to Juneau, and it's a really nice day, and he circles around the airport, and I'm like, okay, weird.
• 55:37
  Kay Dunning: And he circles again, and we circle a third time.
• 55:40
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, um we're I'm the only other one in the plane.
• 55:44
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, what's going on, Rick?
• 55:46
  Kay Dunning: And he's like, I can't get the landing gear down.
• 55:48
  Kay Dunning: I can't guarantee that it's locked in position.
• 55:51
  Kay Dunning: So um Bart Henderson, uh Bart Henderson, sorry, Bart.
• 55:59
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, Bart Bennett.
• 56:01
  Kay Dunning: Bart Bennett, uh Barton Bennett um somehow took a look and he he's like, Yeah, it's it's locked down, and so we landed.
• 56:08
  Kay Dunning: And I'm like, huh, well that was interesting.
• 56:11
  Kay Dunning: And Vert goes, yeah.
• 56:12
  Kay Dunning: I kept thinking, your dad's never gonna let me see you again if I can't crash his plane.
• 56:18
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:20
  Kay Dunning: So so I I uh I I fly up to Anchorage and it's the night of the of the actual pageant.
• 56:27
  Kay Dunning: Um, and there's a girl up there, and this is where this knowing people from Southeast, her name's Nicole Heinstad from uh Petersburg.
• 56:36
  Kay Dunning: And she and I knew each other from volleyball very well, and so she's up in the pageant, also.
• 56:42
  Kay Dunning: And we're like, Okay, oh, cool.
• 56:45
  Kay Dunning: Let's not go to the pageant because the Miss Alaska pageant's happening across town and at a hotel.
• 56:51
  Kay Dunning: Let's go to that one instead.
• 56:52
  Kay Dunning: We're not gonna win or anything like that.
• 56:54
  Kay Dunning: Let's just skip that on this one and we're gonna go.
• 56:56
  Douglas: Wait, there's two pageants happened at the same time.
• 56:59
  Douglas: So there's Miss Alaska and what was the other one?
• 57:01
  Douglas: Miss Teen Alaska?
• 57:02
  Kay Dunning: Miss No, Miss Alaska National Teen, much lower down on the scale.
• 57:06
  Douglas: Miss Alaska National Teen.
• 57:07
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Douglas: And then Miss Alaska is the other one.
• 57:10
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 57:10
  Douglas: So you want to go for the upper I want to go see that one because you want to go see it.
• 57:14
  Douglas: You don't want to see it.
• 57:14
  Kay Dunning: Yes, because a friend of mine was in it.
• 57:16
  Douglas: Okay.
• 57:16
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 57:17
  Kay Dunning: And so I was like, cool, Nicole, let's let's go do this.
• 57:20
  Kay Dunning: She's like, Yeah, yeah, let's skip out on this.
• 57:22
  Kay Dunning: Well, we ended up not skipping out, we ended up doing our pageant.
• 57:26
  Kay Dunning: And um, and she got fourth run up, and for somehow I I won.
• 57:31
  Kay Dunning: And um got my puppy.
• 57:34
  Kay Dunning: I did get my phone.
• 57:35
  Douglas: What kind of puppy?
• 57:37
  Kay Dunning: Um, a he was a he was part um cocker spaniel and part Newfoundland.
• 57:44
  Douglas: What'd you name him?
• 57:45
  Kay Dunning: Eb Ebenezer.
• 57:46
  Douglas: Ebenezer.
• 57:47
  Kay Dunning: He was all black.
• 57:48
  Kay Dunning: He was a short, cockery ears Newfoundland bonnie that hated the water.
• 57:55
  Douglas: So what what what was the pageant experience like?
• 57:59
  Kay Dunning: It was um Is that like the traditional one that there's like no swimsuit.
• 58:04
  Douglas: Evening gown.
• 58:05
  Kay Dunning: There was an evening gown.
• 58:07
  Douglas: Talent.
• 58:07
  Kay Dunning: Um, talent or or uh speech.
• 58:10
  Douglas: Speech?
• 58:10
  Douglas: Which did you choose?
• 58:12
  Kay Dunning: I did the speech because I was listening.
• 58:13
  Douglas: What was your speech about?
• 58:14
  Kay Dunning: I couldn't even tell you.
• 58:16
  Kay Dunning: I think I think it was something about what's right about America.
• 58:18
  Kay Dunning: What's right about America?
• 58:19
  Kay Dunning: Something like that.
• 58:20
  Kay Dunning: I don't I don't honestly remember.
• 58:22
  Douglas: You don't have a copy somewhere?
• 58:23
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 58:24
  Douglas: No?
• 58:24
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 58:25
  Kay Dunning: Oh my gosh.
• 58:26
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 58:26
  Kay Dunning: I don't I think I've got a lot of people.
• 58:28
  Douglas: Was that videotaped at all?
• 58:30
  Kay Dunning: I have no idea, and I wouldn't tell you if it was.
• 58:33
  Douglas: Marty, we need to do some research.
• 58:35
  Douglas: What year was this?
• 58:36
  Douglas: 83, 84?
• 58:38
  Kay Dunning: Again, I don't remember these things.
• 58:40
  Kay Dunning: I'm old now.
• 58:41
  Douglas: Yeah, we we have a rough we have a rough starting point, Marty.
• 58:45
  Kay Dunning: But I'm not the only one from town to have won it.
• 58:48
  Douglas: No.
• 58:48
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 58:49
  Kay Dunning: There's somebody that won it before me, and somebody won after me, but the person that won before me is Marty's mom.
• 58:56
  Kay Dunning: True story.
• 58:57
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 58:57
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 58:59
  Douglas: Check that out.
• 59:00
  Kay Dunning: She did the talent and she was very talented.
• 59:02
  Douglas: So she still is very talented.
• 59:04
  Douglas: Yes, very, very talented.
• 59:06
  Kay Dunning: So um, so yeah.
• 59:07
  Kay Dunning: So so Christy kind of walked me through a little bit of the stuff.
• 59:10
  Douglas: She gave you the heads up on what to expect.
• 59:12
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, a little bit.
• 59:13
  Douglas: So um was there was there a next step after that?
• 59:17
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, then it was um that was in June.
• 59:21
  Kay Dunning: And um the the nationals were in August in Florida.
• 59:28
  Kay Dunning: And so one kind of really touching part of it was that the weekend that I was up there for the pageant was when um Tudor Waldo had her accident.
• 59:40
  Kay Dunning: And so before I went to Nationals, um, Carol had found a tutor's favorite necklace of the class that was broken on it, and it was in her pocket.
• 59:51
  Kay Dunning: And so before I went to Nationals, um Carol asked me if she had gotten a fix and asked me to wear it at Nationals, which I gladly did.
• 1:00:02
  Kay Dunning: It was very heartwarming.
• 1:00:04
  Kay Dunning: Um but yeah, so Nationals were down in Florida, and uh Pat Boone was our MC.
• 1:00:10
  Kay Dunning: And it was a whole lot of learning choreography uh for a week, and we were we got to do the um Disney um Disney World um the electric light parade thing.
• 1:00:24
  Kay Dunning: We were the the grand whatever people to start and um Grand Marshalls, I guess.
• 1:00:30
  Kay Dunning: And um just it it was a lot of fun.
• 1:00:33
  Kay Dunning: I I made some good friends at it.
• 1:00:36
  Douglas: Um are you still in touch with any of them?
• 1:00:38
  Kay Dunning: Not now, but I was for a long time.
• 1:00:40
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  Kay Dunning: Um I still I still recognize, you know, I was like, uh I think I know them on Facebook and stuff, but um it was very fun.
• 1:00:48
  Kay Dunning: Um but the interviews I had um, you know, they had all I don't remember ten judges or something like that.
• 1:00:58
  Kay Dunning: And one of them was a newspaper or I'm sorry, news reporter from Puerto Rico.
• 1:01:04
  Kay Dunning: And so when she interviewed me, she's like, So what are you going to do when you get back to the United States after you go home and get back to the United States?
• 1:01:11
  Kay Dunning: And I looked at her, I go, You you do know Alaska is part of the United States.
• 1:01:16
  Kay Dunning: It's a fortnight state.
• 1:01:18
  Kay Dunning: And uh I didn't win.
• 1:01:22
  Douglas: When you call out the judges, it usually doesn't go in your favor, Kate.
• 1:01:26
  Kay Dunning: It doesn't, it doesn't.
• 1:01:27
  Kay Dunning: It's uh yeah, something maybe I shouldn't I I learned from, but um Well, no, I think it's quite correct that you should let somebody know that they don't have the money.
• 1:01:35
  Kay Dunning: Yes, I know Puerto Rico's not.
• 1:01:38
  Douglas: But we've been blessed that we did get a star on the map on the flag.
• 1:01:42
  Kay Dunning: That's right, yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Kay Dunning: We are that 49th star, right there.
• 1:01:44
  Kay Dunning: So so yeah, so I left that and then um went to college and uh Where'd you go to college?
• 1:01:50
  Kay Dunning: Willamette University in Salem, Morgan.
• 1:01:53
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and ironically, the dorm I was in, um, we called it the Oreo dorm.
• 1:01:58
  Kay Dunning: It had girls on the main floor, guys in the middle, girls on top.
• 1:02:01
  Kay Dunning: And there was only like I don't know, nine of us, nine or ten of us, and on my wing.
• 1:02:06
  Kay Dunning: And one of the girls was the first runner up from the pageant.
• 1:02:10
  Kay Dunning: Oh, she was from Anchorage.
• 1:02:11
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  Douglas: Really?
• 1:02:12
  Kay Dunning: So we stayed in touch for a long time too.
• 1:02:15
  Kay Dunning: Um but yeah, that was it was a unique experience.
• 1:02:20
  Douglas: What you touched on this, and and Rick mentioned this when we interviewed him.
• 1:02:25
  Douglas: He's in Haines as a pilot, he goes to a basketball game, sees you in the bear costume, yep, and is like I like a woman in a bear costume.
• 1:02:37
  Douglas: I think I need to I think I need that.
• 1:02:40
  Kay Dunning: Can we specify that that's B-E-A-R costume?
• 1:02:43
  Kay Dunning: Thank you.
• 1:02:44
  Douglas: B-E-A-R.
• 1:02:44
  Douglas: Yeah, yes, it's glacier bear costume, mascot of Haines.
• 1:02:49
  Douglas: What was your parents' reaction that you have this guy that's here as a pilot, older than you, you're still in high school, wanting to date their daughter?
• 1:02:58
  Kay Dunning: You know, it's what was what was dad and mom.
• 1:03:01
  Kay Dunning: Well, it took a couple it took us, I don't know if he told you, but it took like a month and a half before I said yes to going out with him.
• 1:03:07
  Kay Dunning: Um, and that was because um Donna Willard got stuck in a snowbank.
• 1:03:12
  Kay Dunning: In exchange for getting her unstuck, she had to s set us up.
• 1:03:17
  Kay Dunning: Um she set us up on a date.
• 1:03:19
  Douglas: She set you up on a date.
• 1:03:20
  Kay Dunning: She came to school and she's like, You have to go to um you have to go out with this guy.
• 1:03:25
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, I have a boyfriend.
• 1:03:26
  Kay Dunning: Why would I do that?
• 1:03:27
  Kay Dunning: Because of this reason.
• 1:03:29
  Kay Dunning: So I agreed, and we've been together ever since.
• 1:03:33
  Douglas: So Rick pulled her out of the snowbank and then he said she said In exchange for setting us up.
• 1:03:41
  Douglas: You've got to set me up with a date with Kay.
• 1:03:44
  Kay Dunning: Yes, yes.
• 1:03:44
  Kay Dunning: All right, yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Kay Dunning: So then it yeah, so we owe our marriage to Tom and I'll be able to do that.
• 1:03:50
  Douglas: So how how long after that first date did you tell the guy in Sitka that you've got a pilot boyfriend in Haines?
• 1:03:57
  Kay Dunning: Do I have to answer that one?
• 1:03:58
  Kay Dunning: After the prom?
• 1:04:01
  Douglas: You wait until after the prom?
• 1:04:03
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 1:04:03
  Kay Dunning: Because I wasn't sure, you know, and uh Rick Rick went down to uh um California for January.
• 1:04:10
  Kay Dunning: Um because there's not much flying here, you know.
• 1:04:12
  Kay Dunning: And so he was gone the whole month of January and part of February.
• 1:04:16
  Kay Dunning: I think he got back here um right about the time we came back up from basketball tournament, uh which would have been down in uh Ketchikan that year.
• 1:04:25
  Kay Dunning: And uh yeah, we uh he came I got uh got into town.
• 1:04:30
  Kay Dunning: My dad picks me up and he's like, Rick, Rick had a little accident while he was gone.
• 1:04:35
  Kay Dunning: He doesn't look as good as he used to.
• 1:04:39
  Douglas: What are you thinking?
• 1:04:40
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, huh.
• 1:04:41
  Kay Dunning: Well I wasn't I hadn't broken it.
• 1:04:46
  Kay Dunning: You still have the guy in ticket.
• 1:04:48
  Kay Dunning: You know, I got my You still have an emotions and you got a fallback here.
• 1:04:53
  Kay Dunning: So um, so yeah, um uh I don't even remember where I was going with that.
• 1:04:58
  Kay Dunning: But where my parent what my parents thought of it, um it they were okay with it, I think.
• 1:05:06
  Kay Dunning: Um I know my dad was uh was legally blind by that time.
• 1:05:10
  Kay Dunning: And so we would sit on the the couch and and my dad would be like right in front of the TV and he's like, you know, my eyes might not work, but my ears do.
• 1:05:20
  Kay Dunning: I can hear you.
• 1:05:21
  Kay Dunning: I know what it's like to be that age.
• 1:05:24
  Kay Dunning: Um and uh and so he he did my dad did set up a a deal apparently with the um with the police.
• 1:05:35
  Douglas: With the police.
• 1:05:36
  Kay Dunning: Rick didn't have access to a car all the time, so I would drive him home um to the swamp.
• 1:05:41
  Kay Dunning: And we would, you know, we'd be sitting there, and every night the police would come up and shine their high beams into the car.
• 1:05:51
  Kay Dunning: And it was like, oh, for Pete's sake.
• 1:05:55
  Kay Dunning: And so that went on for that went on for a couple months.
• 1:06:00
  Douglas: And did you know your dad had to deal with the police at this time?
• 1:06:05
  Douglas: Were you just thinking, man, this is quite the coincidence that they're coming up every single night?
• 1:06:09
  Kay Dunning: What's going on?
• 1:06:09
  Kay Dunning: What's going on?
• 1:06:10
  Douglas: Well that was he calling them and letting them, hey, Kay's dropping off rig, now's the time to go.
• 1:06:17
  Kay Dunning: I don't know for sure.
• 1:06:18
  Kay Dunning: And I don't know if it was every night, but it sure felt like Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Kay Dunning: But um that summer is when they put in that two-way stop over by Uniquely Alaskan.
• 1:06:28
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 1:06:29
  Kay Dunning: Um, and the very first, I think it was with the first day or so that it was in, I was coming, I had the right-of-way.
• 1:06:37
  Kay Dunning: And um our chief of police, Jordan Zorn Yankovich at the time, um, ran the stop sign because he'd forgot forgot it was there.
• 1:06:45
  Kay Dunning: And he oh he didn't hit me or anything like that, but we both stopped and got out, and he's like, I'm so sorry, what can I do?
• 1:06:50
  Kay Dunning: And I'm like, stop having your police officers come and done.
• 1:06:55
  Kay Dunning: So so that never happened again after that.
• 1:06:57
  Kay Dunning: And my mom adored him because he's a pilot and she was a private pilot, you know.
• 1:07:02
  Kay Dunning: Oh yeah, she was probably so she she thought it was great, and then when my grandma met him, she's like, Oh, my hero's Charles Lindbergh, and he's like Charles.
• 1:07:10
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, Love you, Rick.
• 1:07:14
  Kay Dunning: So so yeah, they all loved him.
• 1:07:18
  Kay Dunning: My brother is wanted to learn how to fly, so he he fit right in.
• 1:07:23
  Douglas: But so the fact that he's a pilot helped his cause.
• 1:07:26
  Kay Dunning: It helped his cause a lot.
• 1:07:27
  Kay Dunning: Um the fact that he was 21 when we started dating.
• 1:07:31
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, but on his birthday in that March, um we celebrated his 21st birthday again, and I and he's like, I I'm 22, and I go, Not if you want to keep dating me, because I told my parents you were 20.
• 1:07:44
  Kay Dunning: So we you know, we just had to fudge a little bit on that.
• 1:07:49
  Kay Dunning: Just like, no, we're celebrating 21st.
• 1:07:53
  Kay Dunning: That's right, that's right.
• 1:07:53
  Kay Dunning: You're 21 again.
• 1:07:55
  Douglas: Did did they ever find out that he was actually a year older?
• 1:07:59
  Douglas: Or I'm sure they figured it out.
• 1:08:01
  Douglas: Did you keep that a secret from the No, no, I I think they figured it out somewhere along the lines.
• 1:08:06
  Douglas: Well, I'm glad that their daughter misrepresented her boyfriend.
• 1:08:10
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 1:08:11
  Kay Dunning: Apparently I was really you know, yeah.
• 1:08:14
  Douglas: That's pretty pretty quick thinking there.
• 1:08:16
  Kay Dunning: Gotta do what you gotta do.
• 1:08:18
  Douglas: Being a commercial pilot at 20, that made me look even better.
• 1:08:21
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, it really did, didn't it?
• 1:08:23
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Douglas: So when you went down to Willamette then, what Rick was still flying here?
• 1:08:31
  Kay Dunning: He so he did for until November of that year, and then he of of my freshman year of college, he left here and went to um uh Lincoln, Nebraska.
• 1:08:44
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:08:45
  Kay Dunning: To a little tiny uh carrier, not a little tiny carrier, uh a carrier called American Central Airlines.
• 1:08:50
  Kay Dunning: So he was based in Lincoln, um and then he got transferred to Omaha.
• 1:08:56
  Kay Dunning: But this was a a carrier that really, really did not have good um ethics, I want to say.
• 1:09:05
  Kay Dunning: And and they they would um overload the airplanes and they and just a lot of shady stuff going on, and it was owned by some cops from Chicago.
• 1:09:16
  Kay Dunning: I don't know how to do that.
• 1:09:18
  Douglas: There's a lot we could say, there's a lot of intuitive on that situation.
• 1:09:23
  Kay Dunning: Well, the police officers here would would say we we don't have enough money to make it on a c on a uh to own an air to make to own an airline.
• 1:09:33
  Kay Dunning: Um we believe that there was a little extra money being funneled.
• 1:09:36
  Kay Dunning: Funneled through there.
• 1:09:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Kay Dunning: So um he decided that at at that point he did not have his degree.
• 1:09:45
  Kay Dunning: He'd gone to uh Embry Riddle Aeronautical Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona.
• 1:09:51
  Kay Dunning: Um, but uh he did not have his degree, so he decided my sec during my second year of college, um, he came back out to Oregon and got uh went to the community college there and got a uh an associate's degree in uh business, which was a great, great decision.
• 1:10:06
  Kay Dunning: And um then we came back up here to Haines to uh help work at Haines Airways.
• 1:10:14
  Kay Dunning: Um so we did that for two years and then um my senior year of college.
• 1:10:21
  Kay Dunning: We got married right before my senior year of college, and that was my dad's one thing, is like you have to let her finish college.
• 1:10:28
  Kay Dunning: And I said, You don't need to tell him that.
• 1:10:31
  Kay Dunning: I I am finishing college.
• 1:10:33
  Kay Dunning: I've already told him that, and that's already hit.
• 1:10:34
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, my my aunt was doing this.
• 1:10:36
  Kay Dunning: You have she has to finish college, and so so um that was that was a given.
• 1:10:41
  Kay Dunning: I was never going not in the industry.
• 1:10:42
  Douglas: And what were you getting your degree in?
• 1:10:44
  Kay Dunning: Um I started off as a music ed major and uh quickly switched to um business economics with a minor in industrial psych.
• 1:10:52
  Kay Dunning: And so it's industrial psych.
• 1:10:54
  Kay Dunning: It's human resources.
• 1:10:56
  Kay Dunning: It's a fancy way of saying it is, it is industrial psych.
• 1:11:00
  Kay Dunning: I mean, you're thinking about in industry and the psychology of people that you work with.
• 1:11:04
  Kay Dunning: Okay, it's human resources.
• 1:11:06
  Kay Dunning: Um so my senior year of college, um he came down to visit and he got an interview with Horizon Air and then um got hired by them.
• 1:11:18
  Kay Dunning: And so he never came back up to Haines um to work anymore after that.
• 1:11:24
  Douglas: So when you guys were when he's in Nebraska, you're in Oregon.
• 1:11:28
  Douglas: Is this a lot of phone calls?
• 1:11:31
  Douglas: Or is this letters?
• 1:11:33
  Kay Dunning: This was a lot of letters, a lot of letters, and a phone call once a week because it costs a lot of money to take.
• 1:11:38
  Kay Dunning: That's what I was gonna say.
• 1:11:39
  Douglas: Like now it's free.
• 1:11:40
  Douglas: You can call anywhere, texting, FaceTime, all that stuff.
• 1:11:43
  Kay Dunning: But I didn't have a phone in my room, so there was a phone across the hallway.
• 1:11:48
  Kay Dunning: Um and so from my dorm room.
• 1:11:50
  Kay Dunning: And so I'm not sure.
• 1:11:51
  Douglas: So you're out in the open, you're gonna Well, it was it had a little door, you know.
• 1:11:54
  Douglas: Okay, you did have a private little booth, so not everybody was hearing what you're talking about.
• 1:11:58
  Kay Dunning: I I got a phone at at some point along the line.
• 1:12:01
  Kay Dunning: But yeah.
• 1:12:02
  Kay Dunning: I mean I didn't didn't have my own phone number or anything like that.
• 1:12:05
  Kay Dunning: So that's what we called.
• 1:12:07
  Douglas: We and we did you have a set time every week that yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
• 1:12:12
  Douglas: And it was So you both make sure you're at the phone.
• 1:12:14
  Kay Dunning: And it was uh like a um yeah, yes.
• 1:12:18
  Kay Dunning: So we yeah, we you know, you couldn't text each other, you couldn't email each other.
• 1:12:23
  Kay Dunning: So it's like write a letter, let's call.
• 1:12:26
  Kay Dunning: Um, I think we did it mostly on Sunday afternoons or something like that.
• 1:12:30
  Kay Dunning: But but yeah, we we tried to talk at least once a week because that's a that was a year of um doing that.
• 1:12:36
  Kay Dunning: And I flew back in must have been like February, early March for my spring break.
• 1:12:42
  Kay Dunning: Um flew back to Nebraska.
• 1:12:45
  Kay Dunning: Um and we had it all set up when I was going to come out there, and I decided to surprise him a day early, and I'd set that up with his roommate.
• 1:12:52
  Kay Dunning: Well, you know, surprises can can go the wrong way.
• 1:12:55
  Kay Dunning: Luckily, this one did not.
• 1:12:57
  Kay Dunning: His roommate picked me up, very nice guy, had never met him before, and we went to the apartment and it was okay.
• 1:13:04
  Douglas: So how how'd you arrange this with the roommate ahead of time?
• 1:13:07
  Douglas: Did you just call at a time you knew Rick wasn't there and was hoping the roommate would there?
• 1:13:10
  Douglas: Or'd you get in touch with it?
• 1:13:12
  Kay Dunning: I don't remember exactly how I did that.
• 1:13:13
  Kay Dunning: I I don't know, but somehow I yeah, I I yeah, I must have called and I was like, Oh, what's your roommate's name and stuff like that?
• 1:13:21
  Kay Dunning: And I knew Rick's schedule a lot of times.
• 1:13:23
  Kay Dunning: Uh-huh.
• 1:13:24
  Kay Dunning: So, um, so yeah, I I tried calling him then.
• 1:13:27
  Kay Dunning: And then uh he and I drove up to uh Indiana and I met his mom for the first time.
• 1:13:33
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:13:34
  Kay Dunning: So we he had a 280Z and it had just snowed.
• 1:13:38
  Kay Dunning: Oh geez, it just snowed in Nebraska.
• 1:13:41
  Kay Dunning: It was like closed a lot of the road and then they they opened it up.
• 1:13:45
  Kay Dunning: But he's like, Why don't you drive?
• 1:13:46
  Kay Dunning: It's a really fun car to drive.
• 1:13:48
  Kay Dunning: Well, it's also dry pavement.
• 1:13:52
  Douglas: It's a really fun car to drive.
• 1:13:53
  Douglas: I don't know so much on snow and ice.
• 1:13:55
  Kay Dunning: No, and it was ruts, you know.
• 1:13:57
  Kay Dunning: I mean, you had to stay in the ruts, and I I was like, Oh my goodness, like this is this is not going well.
• 1:14:04
  Kay Dunning: I I don't care if I'm from Alaska, Rick.
• 1:14:06
  Kay Dunning: I'm not driving your car.
• 1:14:07
  Kay Dunning: Coming back down to uh to uh Omaha, it was sunny, uh the snow was gone.
• 1:14:13
  Kay Dunning: I was like doing 85.
• 1:14:15
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, gosh, this car just goes really fast.
• 1:14:19
  Douglas: This is when the anytime we have weather like this, Rick, I'll drive your car.
• 1:14:22
  Douglas: Exactly.
• 1:14:23
  Douglas: Snow, not so much.
• 1:14:25
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Kay Dunning: So so then that next summer, um, after he left Nebraska and was coming back to Oregon to go to college, we met up down in California, Southern California.
• 1:14:34
  Kay Dunning: And I got to meet his brother and sister-in-law, and and then his dad.
• 1:14:40
  Kay Dunning: And at this time he had 280 ZX, which was a little he's he's swapping cars pretty quick.
• 1:14:48
  Kay Dunning: He swapped out, yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Kay Dunning: And and it was a really nice car.
• 1:14:51
  Kay Dunning: It had T tops.
• 1:14:52
  Kay Dunning: And so um, you know, we both worked for the Airlines.
• 1:14:56
  Kay Dunning: Um and and so I because I stayed working for LAB and he worked for American Central, like I said.
• 1:15:03
  Kay Dunning: And so we uh we got our hotel discount.
• 1:15:06
  Kay Dunning: So we drove up from LA all the way up to um Salem, but we stopped in San Francisco and we pulled up at this Sheraton hotel.
• 1:15:15
  Kay Dunning: And I've got a t I've got a bikini top on and cutoffs, and he's in cutoffs and a you know, little cutoff tank top thing.
• 1:15:22
  Kay Dunning: And we pull up to this beautiful Sheraton hotel, and it's and we're like, we like our airline discount now, so it's like, yeah, we we weren't uh quite quite dressed appropriately, but it all worked out.
• 1:15:39
  Douglas: Pay them the money and she lets you in.
• 1:15:40
  Kay Dunning: They did, they did, they let us in.
• 1:15:42
  Kay Dunning: So yeah, and from there, Rick got based in uh I don't know if he he told you all the story, probably, but uh some of it, but yeah, we got based in.
• 1:15:52
  Douglas: For the couple people that still haven't listened to his fill us in on the rest of the details.
• 1:15:57
  Kay Dunning: I finished college in uh December after he got hired.
• 1:16:01
  Kay Dunning: He got hired in I think November uh at at Horizon Air and got based in Idaho in Boise.
• 1:16:07
  Kay Dunning: And so I finished up college that December and went over to uh to Boise and um we lived over there for about four months and I worked as a travel agent at a place called it was the Owaihi Plaza for Global Travel.
• 1:16:22
  Kay Dunning: And we had like 19 branches, and they would send all their phone lines into my office at nighttime, and so I was the one that had to handle all the phones.
• 1:16:32
  Douglas: Okay.
• 1:16:32
  Kay Dunning: And my first night that I worked, um, I had to have her come in and help me out because I couldn't figure out processing all the tickets.
• 1:16:40
  Kay Dunning: It's back when it was physical tickets and I had to get everything ready, and I was there until like three o'clock in the morning.
• 1:16:47
  Kay Dunning: It was supposed to be 3 p.m.
• 1:16:49
  Kay Dunning: to 11 p.m.
• 1:16:50
  Kay Dunning: And um, so yeah, it was it was a very fun place to live.
• 1:16:53
  Kay Dunning: But we moved back to Vancouver and then Vancouver, Washington then?
• 1:16:57
  Kay Dunning: Washington, yeah.
• 1:16:58
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:16:58
  Kay Dunning: And I went to work for a travel agency for a short period of time.
• 1:17:03
  Kay Dunning: And I owe my travel agency experience to Randa Susansky.
• 1:17:07
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, she she got me uh training down at United Airlines Apollo Seattle.
• 1:17:11
  Douglas: Oh, really?
• 1:17:12
  Kay Dunning: Mm-hmm down in Seattle.
• 1:17:13
  Kay Dunning: Okay, and then I came back up and worked for her um one summer.
• 1:17:17
  Kay Dunning: But um so I worked for a travel agency in in uh Vancouver, Washington, and I showed up one day and it was locked up.
• 1:17:25
  Kay Dunning: It was like done.
• 1:17:28
  Kay Dunning: Somebody, yeah, somebody from the higher ups had come in and confiscated stuff, and yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Kay Dunning: And it was just closed down.
• 1:17:38
  Kay Dunning: Closed down.
• 1:17:39
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  Kay Dunning: I don't know if it was a federal thing.
• 1:17:42
  Kay Dunning: I I don't know, I never heard what it was.
• 1:17:44
  Kay Dunning: I just didn't have a job.
• 1:17:47
  Douglas: So that's gotta be a little unsettling.
• 1:17:49
  Kay Dunning: It was a little weird.
• 1:17:50
  Kay Dunning: It was a little weird, and so luckily Rick had met a uh Horizon Air pilot that was heading up to Alaska Airlines, and his wife was the station secretary for um Hawaiian Airlines, and so she was going up to uh Seattle also.
• 1:18:05
  Kay Dunning: So her position came open, and so I went in and interviewed for and and got that working for Hawaiian Airlines.
• 1:18:11
  Douglas: That's pretty good airlines to work for.
• 1:18:13
  Douglas: Maybe not.
• 1:18:14
  Douglas: Well, it it was Do you do you not get do you get better discounts working for Hawaiian than you would from another carrier that's going to Hawaii?
• 1:18:22
  Douglas: Or is that something you guys weren't able to take advantage of of low-rate travel to Hawaii?
• 1:18:27
  Douglas: I never got to go to Hawaii on that because you're working for Hawaiian Airlines and you never got to go to Hawaii.
• 1:18:33
  Kay Dunning: No, I I've been there, but not on them.
• 1:18:35
  Kay Dunning: Not on them.
• 1:18:35
  Kay Dunning: No, because my boss was um our our branch in Portland was um my boss was the VP of the mainland operations, and he also handled all the military charters, the MAC charters.
• 1:18:48
  Kay Dunning: And so he was in Bahrain, he was in, you know, all over the world.
• 1:18:53
  Kay Dunning: And so every time he would be back, I'm like, I'm supposed to take a familiarization trip over to Hawaii.
• 1:18:59
  Kay Dunning: He's like, nope, I'm going out.
• 1:19:01
  Kay Dunning: So the were the years.
• 1:19:03
  Douglas: That was just wrong.
• 1:19:04
  Kay Dunning: That's what I thought too.
• 1:19:05
  Douglas: How long did you put up with that?
• 1:19:07
  Kay Dunning: I worked for there for two and a half years, I think it was.
• 1:19:11
  Douglas: Two and a half years without a trip to Hawaii, and you're working for Hawaii in your life.
• 1:19:14
  Kay Dunning: And I went into the sales department and I was supposed to get the illegal K.
• 1:19:17
  Kay Dunning: I I went to the sales department so I could work in so I could take my fan trips and was over there, and the secretary that he hired didn't do a good job, and he's like, I'm taking her back.
• 1:19:30
  Kay Dunning: And I'm like, ha ha, for Cripe's sake, come on.
• 1:19:34
  Kay Dunning: So, nope, never made it over there on them, but um, but it was a really fun experience, and I'm still in touch with um three of the people that I've been including him.
• 1:19:46
  Douglas: We've we've actually had uh um is he gonna watch this and we're gonna be bad mouthing him for not letting you go to Hawaii.
• 1:19:51
  Kay Dunning: Peter, you should let me go to Hawaii.
• 1:19:53
  Douglas: He owes you a trip to Hawaii.
• 1:19:55
  Kay Dunning: Uh you know what?
• 1:19:56
  Kay Dunning: I think you're right.
• 1:19:57
  Douglas: I think if you look at interest over the years and everything like that, not only should he pay for your flight over there, for your hotel, for sure.
• 1:20:04
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  Kay Dunning: Well, you know, the funny thing about this guy is he was he had his fingers in everything and he was really into indie cars, which Rick is really into indie cars.
• 1:20:13
  Kay Dunning: He grew up going to the Indy 500 all the time.
• 1:20:16
  Kay Dunning: And so Peter was a um he was a partial owner of a driver.
• 1:20:22
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 1:20:22
  Kay Dunning: And then he did hospitality.
• 1:20:24
  Douglas: Partial owner of a driver?
• 1:20:26
  Kay Dunning: DDA Tays was his name.
• 1:20:28
  Douglas: It was How do you how do you own the driver?
• 1:20:30
  Douglas: Well I thought you don't just Is it is this something that I don't understand?
• 1:20:35
  Kay Dunning: DDA's car, I guess.
• 1:20:36
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:20:37
  Kay Dunning: He was partial owner of a company that's of the car and everything in that superdriver was?
• 1:20:41
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and they had the company.
• 1:20:42
  Douglas: Okay, that's how I thought uh I was like, yeah, this is something I didn't know.
• 1:20:45
  Kay Dunning: Um but then he uh also did hospitality tents.
• 1:20:49
  Kay Dunning: And so he had like um Emerson Fittipaldi and Mario Andretti and those guys, he would do hospitality tents for them down in the pit.
• 1:20:59
  Kay Dunning: So there was the Portland 200 every year at Father's Day, um, Father's Day.
• 1:21:04
  Kay Dunning: And so I would keep up with tickets.
• 1:21:07
  Douglas: He gave me free tickets into the pit and to to meet the hotel, but I think no, I'll take the hotel story number.
• 1:21:17
  Kay Dunning: I can get the free free hotel.
• 1:21:19
  Douglas: I'm just I'm just thinking that it's maybe just the hotel, not the flight, since you have the airline bit for fit.
• 1:21:24
  Kay Dunning: I'm good with that.
• 1:21:24
  Kay Dunning: You're good with that?
• 1:21:25
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, that works for me.
• 1:21:26
  Douglas: Good luck with that, Kate.
• 1:21:28
  Kay Dunning: I'll get right on it.
• 1:21:29
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Douglas: Good luck with Peter paying for your hotel in Hawaii.
• 1:21:32
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Douglas: I think he does owe you.
• 1:21:34
  Douglas: That doesn't seem right that you can be two and a half of years working for Hawaiian Airlines and not get away.
• 1:21:39
  Douglas: And not get to go.
• 1:21:40
  Kay Dunning: Boy, my mom was heartbroken when I left there.
• 1:21:42
  Kay Dunning: She was like, no, I'm not done traveling the world.
• 1:21:46
  Douglas: So yeah, because that's the that some of those benefits are familiar, aren't they?
• 1:21:52
  Kay Dunning: It was very they were very good benefits.
• 1:21:55
  Kay Dunning: And especially since as a station secretary, um all the secretaries work together.
• 1:22:01
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:22:02
  Kay Dunning: So you pet my back, I'll pet your back, and stuff like that.
• 1:22:04
  Kay Dunning: And so we got first class passes to on all the other airlines.
• 1:22:10
  Kay Dunning: It was pretty nice.
• 1:22:12
  Kay Dunning: Pretty nice.
• 1:22:13
  Kay Dunning: Ask Rick how he got to some of his interviews.
• 1:22:15
  Kay Dunning: He got he got there first.
• 1:22:16
  Kay Dunning: His wife was setting him up.
• 1:22:18
  Kay Dunning: I did.
• 1:22:19
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  Douglas: Good job.
• 1:22:21
  Kay Dunning: You know, when I worked at LAB, though, if he ever made me mad, yeah, he got put in the penalty box.
• 1:22:27
  Douglas: Smart.
• 1:22:28
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:28
  Kay Dunning: You know.
• 1:22:29
  Douglas: There should be consequences for our actions.
• 1:22:31
  Kay Dunning: Absolutely.
• 1:22:31
  Douglas: Both good and bad.
• 1:22:32
  Kay Dunning: Absolutely.
• 1:22:33
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:22:34
  Douglas: Apparently you've done very well training him because he seems to be very, very well behaved these days.
• 1:22:40
  Kay Dunning: He's a good guy.
• 1:22:41
  Kay Dunning: He's such a good guy.
• 1:22:42
  Kay Dunning: I you know, I love him so much that I married him twice.
• 1:22:45
  Kay Dunning: You know, we we renewed our vows at 20 years and just celebrated our 40th.
• 1:22:50
  Douglas: So so are you up to renew him again?
• 1:22:53
  Kay Dunning: If you're not going to be able to do I'm thinking every 20 years we should.
• 1:22:56
  Douglas: You should renew them.
• 1:22:57
  Kay Dunning: We should, yeah.
• 1:22:58
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, we should.
• 1:22:59
  Kay Dunning: We we won't, but we would.
• 1:23:02
  Douglas: We can we can go down, you can get a thing at the courthouse to get the license to do it.
• 1:23:09
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Kay Dunning: But you know, the people aren't there.
• 1:23:12
  Kay Dunning: The people that we needed to be there were there for the 20th, so yeah, you know how that is.
• 1:23:19
  Douglas: I know how that is.
• 1:23:21
  Douglas: If you decide that in memory of them you want to renew it before you leave.
• 1:23:26
  Kay Dunning: That's what I you know.
• 1:23:27
  Douglas: It could be in memory of them.
• 1:23:29
  Kay Dunning: Your mom can be there.
• 1:23:30
  Douglas: My mom will be there.
• 1:23:31
  Kay Dunning: Your mom was there both times.
• 1:23:33
  Douglas: I wasn't at either one of them, but I'll officiate for you.
• 1:23:36
  Douglas: I'll get I'll go get the paperwork I've done.
• 1:23:37
  Douglas: I Dylan and Dakota's wedding, they let me officiate that last year.
• 1:23:40
  Kay Dunning: Oh, did they really?
• 1:23:41
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:23:42
  Kay Dunning: Okay, okay, yeah.
• 1:23:44
  Douglas: So I have experience.
• 1:23:44
  Douglas: This would not be my first one.
• 1:23:46
  Kay Dunning: Not your first rodeo?
• 1:23:47
  Douglas: It would not be my first rodeo, it'd be the second.
• 1:23:49
  Kay Dunning: Second one.
• 1:23:50
  Douglas: This would be the second one.
• 1:23:51
  Kay Dunning: But well, this would be our third one, so we'd know if you were screwing up.
• 1:23:54
  Douglas: I'd know if I screwed up.
• 1:23:56
  Douglas: And the the price is right.
• 1:23:57
  Douglas: I mean, I charge nothing for this.
• 1:23:59
  Kay Dunning: Oh man, and we get ice cream too.
• 1:24:01
  Douglas: Well, that's only if you run into the bay.
• 1:24:03
  Kay Dunning: Well, what better way to do that?
• 1:24:05
  Douglas: Well, celebrate a renewal of your vows and to run in and go swimming down by the cruise ship dock, and then I'll have your ice cream at the top.
• 1:24:12
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:24:12
  Kay Dunning: Yep, I like it.
• 1:24:13
  Kay Dunning: I like it.
• 1:24:13
  Douglas: So before you guys leave, if you if you can talk Rick into this, I need like a day's notice.
• 1:24:18
  Kay Dunning: We need nine days, we've got nine days left.
• 1:24:19
  Kay Dunning: We've got nine left.
• 1:24:21
  Douglas: I need at least a day's notice to prepare myself to come up with something meaningful to say for 40 years.
• 1:24:28
  Kay Dunning: Boy, good luck with that one.
• 1:24:30
  Kay Dunning: Got it.
• 1:24:32
  Douglas: 24 hours I can come up with all sorts of crazy stuff.
• 1:24:34
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Douglas: See, we should have done this interview before the kids got here, because if the kids were here, that would have been better to have the renewal of the vows when the kids were here.
• 1:24:46
  Kay Dunning: Michael walked me down the aisle at the 2011.
• 1:24:48
  Kay Dunning: At the 20.
• 1:24:48
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and Ryan was my my little mate.
• 1:24:50
  Douglas: Call them up.
• 1:24:51
  Douglas: Tell them they need to get here before the end of the before the end of the month.
• 1:24:54
  Kay Dunning: Sorry, honey.
• 1:24:55
  Kay Dunning: I know you have patience right now, but can you come up?
• 1:24:57
  Douglas: That was way more important than you saving lives.
• 1:25:00
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:25:00
  Douglas: You need to come back up here.
• 1:25:02
  Kay Dunning: Ryan would be here in a heartbeat, she'd do it.
• 1:25:04
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:25:04
  Douglas: All right.
• 1:25:05
  Douglas: I'll let you work on that.
• 1:25:06
  Douglas: You just I'm here if you need that.
• 1:25:08
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Kay Dunning: I don't I don't know.
• 1:25:10
  Kay Dunning: I don't know if that's gonna happen again.
• 1:25:12
  Kay Dunning: Do we get presents again?
• 1:25:13
  Kay Dunning: I can we get a discount on stuff here at the sports shop?
• 1:25:17
  Kay Dunning: Because then then I would say yes.
• 1:25:19
  Douglas: All right, so I'm already I'm already officiating for free.
• 1:25:22
  Douglas: I've got ice cream for you.
• 1:25:23
  Douglas: Now you want discounts too?
• 1:25:26
  Kay Dunning: We'll take discounts instead of a cake.
• 1:25:27
  Kay Dunning: How about that?
• 1:25:28
  Kay Dunning: Instead of a cake.
• 1:25:28
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Douglas: Well, I wasn't gonna bake, I wasn't gonna make a cake.
• 1:25:31
  Douglas: So this is we might have we might have further discussions about this cake.
• 1:25:35
  Kay Dunning: I think this might have to be a next summer thing.
• 1:25:37
  Douglas: Well, you can do 41.
• 1:25:38
  Kay Dunning: It works.
• 1:25:39
  Kay Dunning: It works.
• 1:25:40
  Douglas: We'll plan it for when the kids are here.
• 1:25:41
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:25:42
  Douglas: Then you have the grandkids here too.
• 1:25:44
  Kay Dunning: Man.
• 1:25:44
  Douglas: Because they weren't at they weren't at the first or the 20th.
• 1:25:47
  Kay Dunning: Uh no.
• 1:25:48
  Douglas: So this is so this is you're doing it for your grandkids so they can experience this moment with you.
• 1:25:52
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:25:52
  Douglas: You're making memories with the grandkids, Kay.
• 1:25:55
  Kay Dunning: I'll let I'll let little Louie walk me down the aisle.
• 1:25:59
  Douglas: I'll hook him up with a fishing rod.
• 1:26:00
  Douglas: He can he can carry the rings on the fishing rod and he can cast them to cast them.
• 1:26:05
  Kay Dunning: He's gonna need a new one.
• 1:26:06
  Kay Dunning: You know what happened to the other one.
• 1:26:08
  Douglas: Did he break it?
• 1:26:09
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 1:26:09
  Douglas: Did Rick break it?
• 1:26:10
  Kay Dunning: No, it's at the end of the dock on the sport dock.
• 1:26:13
  Kay Dunning: What is it?
• 1:26:14
  Douglas: Did he chuck it off the dock?
• 1:26:15
  Kay Dunning: No, no, it uh the um weight was a little heavier when he caught a fish.
• 1:26:21
  Kay Dunning: Oh really?
• 1:26:22
  Kay Dunning: And it just it I think it had some had some help for my son, maybe.
• 1:26:29
  Douglas: We'll we'll take care of him.
• 1:26:31
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, he he kind of misses his Spider-Man Zed pill.
• 1:26:34
  Douglas: When he comes up next year, we'll we'll take care of him.
• 1:26:36
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:26:37
  Kay Dunning: He'll be asking for a bigger rod then.
• 1:26:38
  Kay Dunning: He'll be five almost.
• 1:26:40
  Douglas: We'll make sure we got some for him.
• 1:26:42
  Douglas: We'll take care of him.
• 1:26:43
  Douglas: So So out of Hawaiian then?
• 1:26:46
  Douglas: Then you're in Vancouver.
• 1:26:49
  Douglas: Is Rick did Rick get transferred somewhere else?
• 1:26:52
  Douglas: Is that why he left Hawaiian?
• 1:26:53
  Kay Dunning: We bought a house up in Battleground, Washington.
• 1:26:55
  Kay Dunning: That was our very first house.
• 1:26:56
  Kay Dunning: And um from there he went to US Air.
• 1:27:02
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:27:02
  Kay Dunning: Um he tried to get on Alaska Airlines.
• 1:27:04
  Kay Dunning: They won't hire they wouldn't hire from within.
• 1:27:07
  Kay Dunning: They didn't want to Horizon was not a feeder into Alaska at that time.
• 1:27:11
  Kay Dunning: So he went down to US Air in uh North Carolina, which was was it like eight days after the merger with Piedmont Airlines.
• 1:27:20
  Kay Dunning: So I think he actually got hired by Piedmont, and that became US Air.
• 1:27:24
  Kay Dunning: So he was down there in August, and that November I got I went down there because I stayed working.
• 1:27:32
  Kay Dunning: And uh and so he worked for them for seven years, I think.
• 1:27:38
  Kay Dunning: But he got laid off after um his first first year, I think.
• 1:27:42
  Kay Dunning: He was laid off for a year and a half or 13 months, I think it was.
• 1:27:46
  Kay Dunning: And in that time we had Ryan.
• 1:27:50
  Kay Dunning: And so he stayed home with Ryan while he was laid off, and I um worked for um a bank.
• 1:27:56
  Kay Dunning: Okay, and um and then Got his job back and we had Michael and I was still working for the bank.
• 1:28:05
  Kay Dunning: And one day, while I was at work, my or I don't remember if I was at work or not, but our neighbor called up, and her daughter and Michael were best friends.
• 1:28:14
  Kay Dunning: We'd moved into a new house at that point.
• 1:28:17
  Kay Dunning: And um the the daughter, the little two-year-old, had cut her forehead.
• 1:28:22
  Kay Dunning: And so her mom called up and she's like, Hey, can you come to the hospital and just kind of help me with her?
• 1:28:28
  Kay Dunning: It's you know, I'm kind of freaking out a little bit.
• 1:28:30
  Kay Dunning: And so I'm like, sure, sure, I'll go.
• 1:28:32
  Kay Dunning: And I'm helping this little girl and just kind of calming her down.
• 1:28:36
  Kay Dunning: And I'm watching this, this vein is like pulsing.
• 1:28:40
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:28:43
  Kay Dunning: I went home.
• 1:28:46
  Douglas: Poor little girl's bleeding about it.
• 1:28:48
  Douglas: Oh my god, this is wonderful.
• 1:28:50
  Kay Dunning: I look at I'm like, oh wow, I this is weird, but I really I I think I like science and anatomy.
• 1:28:58
  Kay Dunning: I like this.
• 1:28:58
  Kay Dunning: I went home and I told Rick, I said, I'm quitting the bank and I want to go to I want to be a physician's assistant.
• 1:29:06
  Kay Dunning: Well, it's a brand new program at that time.
• 1:29:08
  Kay Dunning: Uh-huh.
• 1:29:08
  Kay Dunning: So you had to have experience in order to get into the schools.
• 1:29:12
  Douglas: Um, you know, now it's I was helping this girl at the hospital just the other day.
• 1:29:17
  Kay Dunning: I've got a smart Yeah, yeah, I get to and and I know how to kiss boo-boos.
• 1:29:25
  Kay Dunning: Um, so I I looked at and I said, I'll keep working at the bank, but um the kids were one and three at the time, and I didn't have my sciences for my my bachelor's degree.
• 1:29:36
  Kay Dunning: Um, so I needed a whole bunch of sciences to get in.
• 1:29:41
  Kay Dunning: I thought, well, if I need experience, I'll go to nursing school.
• 1:29:44
  Kay Dunning: So I decided I'm gonna go get all these sciences taken care of.
• 1:29:49
  Kay Dunning: And so I started, you know, I anatomy one, anatomy two, and uh did all the classes.
• 1:29:56
  Kay Dunning: Never take microbiology when you have little kids.
• 1:29:58
  Kay Dunning: It's like you're gonna die for whatever you're gonna be putting in your mouth.
• 1:30:02
  Kay Dunning: Um, but um did all those, and then I got accepted into nursing school and had started my first semester of it, and I went, I had a choice of doing the bachelor's degree in nursing for two years or my associates for two years.
• 1:30:19
  Kay Dunning: And one would think that you would do the bachelor's, but I chose the associate's route because it was at a teaching hospital.
• 1:30:25
  Kay Dunning: Okay, and so we got a lot of experience as opposed to Yeah, and the the the um the people that I met that were doing the bachelor's program and a lot of book learning, but they they came down to our hospital to get the experience, and so um yeah, so I got into that nursing nursing class, and I think I don't remember how many there were of us, maybe 22, 25.
• 1:30:50
  Kay Dunning: And I was I think the older half, I think I was 29 when I started it.
• 1:30:58
  Kay Dunning: And um I really, really enjoyed it.
• 1:31:02
  Kay Dunning: Um, but um one day my uh clinical instructor, there were six of us in our small group, and she was going around the group telling everybody, you're gonna, I think you're gonna go into OB and you're gonna go do this.
• 1:31:14
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, what am I what do you think about me?
• 1:31:17
  Kay Dunning: And she's like, Oh, you're gonna be a trauma nurse, honey, because if it's not happening like that, you you're gonna get bored.
• 1:31:22
  Kay Dunning: It's like that's a lot of pressure to put on a first-year nursing student.
• 1:31:26
  Kay Dunning: So um finished up my first semester, and I came home one day, and on our answering machine, there was that's how old this is.
• 1:31:35
  Kay Dunning: Um, on our answering machine, there was a message, hi, this is Northwest Airlines.
• 1:31:39
  Kay Dunning: We'd like to offer Richard Dunning an interview in Minneapolis.
• 1:31:43
  Kay Dunning: We're in Charlotte, North Carolina.
• 1:31:46
  Douglas: Delete, he can't do this, I gotta finish this program.
• 1:31:49
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 1:31:50
  Kay Dunning: Usually and we'd move nine times the first 12 years we were married.
• 1:31:54
  Kay Dunning: And so, um, and so and one of those was to Minnesota eventually, but he came home and I'm like, you want to explain this to me?
• 1:32:03
  Kay Dunning: He's like, Yeah, well, you know, I just applied and and uh it's not gonna go anywhere.
• 1:32:09
  Kay Dunning: And and then he interviewed, and and and then they're like, we'd like to offer you a job.
• 1:32:16
  Kay Dunning: So that December he was offered a job at uh at Northwest Airlines.
• 1:32:21
  Kay Dunning: And it's like, I I can't I can't do nursing school if you're because he was gonna be up in Minnesota um like six out of the seven days a week.
• 1:32:32
  Kay Dunning: Like I I can't do this by myself.
• 1:32:35
  Kay Dunning: So so I s I dropped out of it, and he had a really good reason for doing it though.
• 1:32:41
  Kay Dunning: US Air was getting ready to lay him off again, and who knows when we would have gotten called back.
• 1:32:46
  Kay Dunning: So it it turned out to be a wonderful decision.
• 1:32:50
  Kay Dunning: But it was one of those things like I I live vicariously through my son, you know.
• 1:32:55
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, he's a as a doctor, and he rolls his eyes at me, he's like, Mom, you you don't remember any of your stuff, do you?
• 1:33:01
  Kay Dunning: No, no.
• 1:33:03
  Kay Dunning: But again, I can still kiss a boo-boo.
• 1:33:06
  Douglas: I can still kiss a boo-boo.
• 1:33:07
  Douglas: Grandma's here.
• 1:33:08
  Kay Dunning: So, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:08
  Kay Dunning: So, um, so when we moved up to Minnesota, um Michael was four at the time, and Ryan was seven and just um in second grade, and he was going into preschool.
• 1:33:20
  Kay Dunning: Or he had been in a preschool, and so we found a new preschool up there that our neighbors suggested brand new.
• 1:33:27
  Kay Dunning: And that February, one of the teachers, there were two teachers, one of them went on maternity leave, and uh so I became a a long-term sub for her.
• 1:33:36
  Kay Dunning: Twenty-seven years later, I was the longest long-term sub they ever had.
• 1:33:40
  Kay Dunning: So so and I swore I'd never be a teacher because my parents were both teachers.
• 1:33:45
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and um or let me back that my mom was a teacher, my dad has had his teaching license, but never got a job in the in the school district.
• 1:33:54
  Kay Dunning: So um um, so uh yeah, I I was like, huh.
• 1:33:59
  Kay Dunning: When you say never about teaching or doing something, God starts laughing.
• 1:34:03
  Kay Dunning: And that's what you end up doing a lot of times.
• 1:34:06
  Douglas: So always comes around.
• 1:34:08
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:34:08
  Douglas: Do you do you think about nursing still?
• 1:34:11
  Douglas: Have you thought about it?
• 1:34:12
  Kay Dunning: I never wanted to do the nursing part.
• 1:34:14
  Kay Dunning: The the nursing was um simply a means of getting into PA school, and my thought was as a PA, I would be working with the nurses, so I wanted to have a better understanding so I would have a better rapport with them.
• 1:34:27
  Kay Dunning: Um so yeah, I think it I yeah, I I'm not going to go do it now.
• 1:34:32
  Kay Dunning: My memory's not as good as.
• 1:34:34
  Douglas: But you ever wonder what I mean things work out the way they were supposed to be put put put you where you're supposed to be.
• 1:34:41
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, you know, I I got to be home with my kids in the summers.
• 1:34:45
  Kay Dunning: We traveled a lot.
• 1:34:46
  Kay Dunning: Um if I was if one of them was sick, I could stay home from work if I needed to as a teach uh as a preschool teacher, or um we actually had a little cot and there was a there was a TV with a little VCR.
• 1:35:02
  Kay Dunning: If Michael was sick, it was mostly Michael because um Ryan Ryan was pretty healthy, I think.
• 1:35:07
  Kay Dunning: Um, but I would just bring him to work with me and put him in the hallway or the classroom across the hallway.
• 1:35:12
  Kay Dunning: It was an empty classroom.
• 1:35:13
  Douglas: Okay.
• 1:35:14
  Kay Dunning: Okay, if you need me, let me know.
• 1:35:15
  Douglas: Yeah, mom's right across the hall.
• 1:35:17
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:18
  Kay Dunning: So it was I mean, it turned out to be a really good thing.
• 1:35:21
  Kay Dunning: And um I have families that I've stayed in touch with my preschool families, that they're now having children.
• 1:35:29
  Kay Dunning: And I've gotten to teach a couple of of the kids of kids that I've taught.
• 1:35:33
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:35:34
  Kay Dunning: So it's it's a it's a pretty special thing.
• 1:35:37
  Kay Dunning: Um it just took me a long time to come around to, I guess, what I was supposed to be doing.
• 1:35:42
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:35:43
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:35:44
  Douglas: And so, but you're not gonna do that this year.
• 1:35:46
  Kay Dunning: I I actually got a text uh yesterday, hey, uh, what's your April schedule like?
• 1:35:51
  Kay Dunning: Can you sub?
• 1:35:54
  Douglas: Like well, last time I decided to sub it was 27 years.
• 1:35:56
  Douglas: Yeah, yeah, yes.
• 1:35:58
  Kay Dunning: I'll do a short-term sub.
• 1:35:59
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:01
  Kay Dunning: So so yeah, it's kind of fun that way.
• 1:36:03
  Kay Dunning: But um, my my parents both loved it that I became a teacher and my my dad laughed at me.
• 1:36:10
  Douglas: Yeah, I can see them taking both of them taking delight in their daughter becoming a teacher.
• 1:36:15
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, so you know, I might I'll go back to my dad, circle back to my dad one more time.
• 1:36:20
  Kay Dunning: But um, you know, his petroleum um product work is um he became the the uh city um water and wastewater treatment manager.
• 1:36:29
  Kay Dunning: I don't know if you knew that.
• 1:36:31
  Douglas: I didn't know that, no.
• 1:36:31
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, he did that for several years.
• 1:36:33
  Kay Dunning: And uh so the little is it green building, blue building, whatever color is in the color deficient dude that I don't know.
• 1:36:41
  Kay Dunning: Well, the one uh going up to the fairgrounds, whatever color that building is the is the building that he used to work out of.
• 1:36:46
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 1:36:47
  Kay Dunning: And so I joy button's like, oh yeah, I remember that.
• 1:36:50
  Douglas: Yeah, I did not remember that he had done that.
• 1:36:52
  Kay Dunning: And that was all from his um science that he learned um doing doing the stuff for the tank farm.
• 1:36:59
  Kay Dunning: At the tank farm.
• 1:36:59
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  Kay Dunning: But um, and then part of his reason for um quitting at the tank farm too was um he was playing bridge with a uh he and my mom both play bridge, and they would play with um like people that people that came into town, um, whether it was off the uh logging ships or um Ted and Mimi Greg had a lot of friends that would come into town and stuff.
• 1:37:23
  Kay Dunning: So he was playing with a doctor one time, and the doctor looked at my dad's fingers, and he noticed a broadening of his fingertips.
• 1:37:32
  Kay Dunning: Weird thing to notice, but when he's playing cards, I mean that's what this he looked at my dad and he goes, You need to go to the um hospital and you need to go like immediately, like not that night, but within two.
• 1:37:46
  Douglas: He's playing bridge and this doctor's looking at his fingers.
• 1:37:49
  Kay Dunning: And he's he sees that his fingertips on the ends are a little bit broader than they should be.
• 1:37:56
  Douglas: And how does he know he doesn't just have fat fingers?
• 1:37:58
  Douglas: It's that is crazy that he picks that up.
• 1:38:03
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and so he's like, you need to go see a doctor, and you need to go see one very, very soon.
• 1:38:07
  Kay Dunning: Like, not next month, like this month.
• 1:38:10
  Kay Dunning: And so my dad flew down to Seattle, and what happened was um the petroleum products had had killed off part of um both of his lungs.
• 1:38:19
  Kay Dunning: So he had a third of one.
• 1:38:21
  Douglas: And that showed up in the fingertips?
• 1:38:22
  Kay Dunning: Lack of oxygen.
• 1:38:23
  Douglas: Lacygenoxy?
• 1:38:24
  Douglas: Yep really lack of oxygen, and there's a name for it, and I I don't know what it's just by him being out of the tank farm and the job that he was doing around the petroleum.
• 1:38:31
  Kay Dunning: Exposure around those products, yeah.
• 1:38:32
  Kay Dunning: And smoking.
• 1:38:34
  Douglas: Okay.
• 1:38:35
  Kay Dunning: He smoked four packs a day of Marlborough's four packs a day, all the way through every one of them.
• 1:38:39
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yep.
• 1:38:41
  Douglas: So he Good thing he's not doing that now, that'd cost a fortune.
• 1:38:45
  Kay Dunning: Oh I know.
• 1:38:45
  Kay Dunning: Not only the health benefits.
• 1:38:47
  Kay Dunning: If we could have just put that money into four packs a day.
• 1:38:51
  Kay Dunning: All the way through every cigarette.
• 1:38:52
  Kay Dunning: It wasn't like a, you know, and then put it out.
• 1:38:54
  Kay Dunning: No, it was all the way through.
• 1:38:56
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 1:38:57
  Kay Dunning: So um, yeah, so he went down and he had a third of one lug removed and like a quarter of the other one.
• 1:39:03
  Kay Dunning: And um, excuse me, um, that kind of reset his course too.
• 1:39:11
  Kay Dunning: He had to stop smoking.
• 1:39:13
  Kay Dunning: So my mom and there was a guy named Jack Van Huzen in town.
• 1:39:18
  Douglas: Yeah, artist.
• 1:39:19
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:39:19
  Kay Dunning: Um, he had the uh where the telegraph offices and the fort had his art shop there.
• 1:39:24
  Kay Dunning: His wife Nancy, ex-wife, whatever, uh Nancy also was a big smoker.
• 1:39:29
  Kay Dunning: And so my mom and Jack bet Nancy and my dad, um, you know, if you guys can go a month without smoking, uh-huh, we will take you out to a really nice dinner like a 10-mile or something like that.
• 1:39:45
  Kay Dunning: Um, if one of you smokes, you have to pay the other one a thousand dollars.
• 1:39:49
  Kay Dunning: Well, this was back in the 70s.
• 1:39:50
  Kay Dunning: That was a lot of money.
• 1:39:51
  Kay Dunning: It was a lot of money.
• 1:39:53
  Kay Dunning: And they both made the 30 days.
• 1:39:55
  Douglas: Okay.
• 1:39:55
  Kay Dunning: Nancy went back to smoking, my dad did not.
• 1:39:58
  Douglas: Uh-huh.
• 1:39:59
  Kay Dunning: But before he um right, before he s uh quit smoking, or before he went started the bet, probably one of the smartest things I think he ever did.
• 1:40:07
  Kay Dunning: He had me puff on one of his cigarettes when I was seven years old.
• 1:40:11
  Kay Dunning: Absolutely the most disgusting thing I've ever done.
• 1:40:15
  Kay Dunning: I never wanted to smoke.
• 1:40:17
  Kay Dunning: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:18
  Kay Dunning: So you know, you get to high school and it's like, oh yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:40:22
  Kay Dunning: Never, never, never, never because of what of that.
• 1:40:26
  Kay Dunning: Um, but yeah, he quit smoking, and as a result, your your uh taste buds start coming back.
• 1:40:32
  Kay Dunning: And um he defa just uh figured out that he really liked the taste of food.
• 1:40:39
  Kay Dunning: And he liked cooking, and that's he know he never really cooked before that.
• 1:40:44
  Kay Dunning: And so that's when he started cooking, and then he got so good that he started cooking all the big dinners in town, you know, fireman's ball, Legion stuff, all of those, yeah.
• 1:40:55
  Douglas: So you were seven when he quit?
• 1:40:57
  Douglas: Mm-hmm.
• 1:40:58
  Douglas: Yeah, and he before he quit, did your dad allow him to smoke in the house?
• 1:41:02
  Douglas: Or did your mom allow him to smoke in the house?
• 1:41:05
  Kay Dunning: Yes, she yes, she did.
• 1:41:06
  Kay Dunning: And he had memorises of that of just the secondhand smoke and oh yeah, and then he would have so my mom was the president of the Cancer Society.
• 1:41:14
  Douglas: Yeah, that's the American Cancer Society.
• 1:41:16
  Douglas: She was always around doing the fundraising.
• 1:41:17
  Kay Dunning: She was the local one, and then she became the state one also.
• 1:41:20
  Kay Dunning: And so my dad would have um poker or whatever card games at his uh at our house, like I don't know, once a month, once every other month.
• 1:41:29
  Kay Dunning: And she had this um big psychedelic poster on our kitchen door.
• 1:41:34
  Kay Dunning: We had a door that closed off to the living room.
• 1:41:36
  Kay Dunning: Uh-huh.
• 1:41:36
  Kay Dunning: And big psychedelic thing about, you know, don't smoke, you know, you this these are your lungs on uh with smoke and stuff.
• 1:41:43
  Kay Dunning: And so, you know, you close the door and then you'd open it up, and the room was the kitchen was just blue.
• 1:41:48
  Kay Dunning: Blue was smoked.
• 1:41:48
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, it was pretty bad.
• 1:41:51
  Kay Dunning: It was pretty bad.
• 1:41:52
  Kay Dunning: Um and the smokers cough, you know, in the middle of the night hearing that is just it's not a good sound.
• 1:41:58
  Douglas: Did that did that go away after a while?
• 1:42:00
  Douglas: Or do you remember that throughout your childhood?
• 1:42:04
  Kay Dunning: It I think it went away, but I I had dreams of it, you know, even as an adult of of um of that.
• 1:42:10
  Kay Dunning: And uh it it was just one of those, yeah, things that just kind of not not uh not not good dreams.
• 1:42:17
  Douglas: Did he did he ever tell you why he started smoking?
• 1:42:21
  Kay Dunning: Uh you know, he was a military thing because a lot of people start in the military.
• 1:42:26
  Kay Dunning: It was the early 50s, you know, and it was cool, and he he had, you know, the greased back hair and the cigarette behind the ear, and it was just a cool thing.
• 1:42:34
  Kay Dunning: That's what everybody did.
• 1:42:35
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:42:36
  Douglas: And at that time doctors were telling you it was healthy.
• 1:42:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, well the doctors were smoking.
• 1:42:40
  Kay Dunning: I mean, yeah.
• 1:42:42
  Kay Dunning: Excuse me, let me smoke by your oxygen tank, please.
• 1:42:45
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  Kay Dunning: Um, yeah, so um, yeah, he went on to do all the big dinners, but he went to he decided to go to um college um because he had never never done that.
• 1:42:58
  Kay Dunning: He you know, went straight into the military.
• 1:43:00
  Kay Dunning: Went to college and um went to Juneau every week.
• 1:43:04
  Kay Dunning: He would take classes down at Juneau to get his associate's degree, and then my mom took a sabbatical in '74 to '75.
• 1:43:14
  Kay Dunning: And we went down to Oregon so he could finish up his bachelor's degree, and she started in on her master's.
• 1:43:20
  Douglas: Okay.
• 1:43:20
  Kay Dunning: So um, yeah, and so he came back and he did his student teaching at like Floyd Dryden middle school.
• 1:43:25
  Kay Dunning: Um he did tell me a story of uh he was teaching English and he'd just been going over may I and can I, the difference between the two.
• 1:43:34
  Kay Dunning: And he said the next person that says can I, when they mean may I, is really gonna regret it.
• 1:43:40
  Kay Dunning: And uh so this guy, the kid raises his hand, yes.
• 1:43:44
  Kay Dunning: Ah, Mr.
• 1:43:45
  Kay Dunning: Haas, can I go to the bathroom?
• 1:43:47
  Kay Dunning: Can I?
• 1:43:48
  Kay Dunning: Can you?
• 1:43:49
  Kay Dunning: I'm sure you can.
• 1:43:50
  Kay Dunning: May you give me 10 push-ups first.
• 1:43:52
  Kay Dunning: And he said the kid did him with his legs crossed.
• 1:43:55
  Kay Dunning: So but um he he came up here and he just was never able to uh get a job in the school district.
• 1:44:03
  Kay Dunning: So that's when he went to work for the city and and uh that's where his career went.
• 1:44:08
  Kay Dunning: So yeah.
• 1:44:10
  Douglas: Yeah, I did not remember that about that was when I was much younger.
• 1:44:16
  Douglas: You were very little, yeah.
• 1:44:17
  Douglas: I was very little.
• 1:44:18
  Douglas: Although actually some of those time frames I wasn't quite so little.
• 1:44:23
  Douglas: So when did he retire from the city?
• 1:44:27
  Kay Dunning: Well, I graduated in 83, so he I would guess 82, 83, somewhere because that's when he went blind from his diabetes.
• 1:44:37
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:44:38
  Douglas: Um, and then see that's seventh, eighth grade, seventh, sixth, seventh grade for me.
• 1:44:42
  Douglas: So I was I was little but not that little.
• 1:44:46
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, young enough to not get the biggest.
• 1:44:48
  Kay Dunning: Young enough not to know what the heck's going on.
• 1:44:49
  Kay Dunning: That's not where your focus was or anything like that.
• 1:44:52
  Douglas: I didn't care who's taking care of the water as long as it was clean coming out of the tap.
• 1:44:55
  Douglas: Actually, we were on a well, I didn't care.
• 1:44:57
  Kay Dunning: Oh yeah, you didn't care.
• 1:44:58
  Douglas: We're at a well, it didn't matter who's water can suck, I don't care.
• 1:45:03
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:04
  Kay Dunning: So the um because of his um military background, and that's that's what led to the um diabetes coming on sooner and um losing the sight and stuff like that, the disabled or he was disabled American vet, or he was a DAV.
• 1:45:19
  Kay Dunning: And so they sent him down to Palo Alto, California, um to teach him how to live with his blindness.
• 1:45:25
  Kay Dunning: And like, you know, you put a rubber band on the salt shaker so you know which one's salt and pepper, things like that.
• 1:45:31
  Kay Dunning: Um but they also paid for him to go to um back to school.
• 1:45:36
  Kay Dunning: He went to school down in uh it's north Edmunds area, somewhere Edmonds Community College maybe for travel and tourism.
• 1:45:45
  Kay Dunning: And he came back up here and started a uh little building, a little office called uh or business called Tickets, tours, trips and things.
• 1:45:52
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:45:53
  Kay Dunning: And um, and it's it's really nice talking to uh Glenn Jacobson, Jen Glenn and Allison.
• 1:45:58
  Kay Dunning: They said that he really helped um get keep the fjord lines running um uh when they first started out because he had the phone, people could call and get their tickets there while they're busy running the boat and stuff, and and he would sell ferry tickets in town and and so people didn't have to go all the way out to the ferry terminal and stuff.
• 1:46:17
  Douglas: So pre-internet days exactly just do everything online.
• 1:46:21
  Douglas: You actually had to find somebody to get the colour.
• 1:46:23
  Kay Dunning: Right, that you that you could get a ticket from.
• 1:46:24
  Kay Dunning: So yeah, so he did all that, and um and then he uh got real active with the American Disabilities Um or Alaskan Disabilities Act and got the contract to do the candy machines, the vending machines out at the ferry terminal and a couple others in town.
• 1:46:40
  Kay Dunning: So I remember when I'd be here for the summertime, I'd drive them around and stock the vending machines.
• 1:46:46
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Kay Dunning: So so yeah, it was I mean it's this is a great, a great place to to grow up.
• 1:46:54
  Douglas: Circling to your other parent, your mom.
• 1:46:57
  Kay Dunning: My mom.
• 1:46:58
  Douglas: So she when she left here, she moved with you guys to Minnesota, correct?
• 1:47:03
  Kay Dunning: She did.
• 1:47:03
  Douglas: So her last few years you guys had her in Minnesota.
• 1:47:07
  Kay Dunning: Eleven years we had eleven years.
• 1:47:08
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:47:09
  Kay Dunning: I I uh brought her back up here two summers, and then I just I I just couldn't do it.
• 1:47:16
  Kay Dunning: It was um she needed a lot more not not attention, but she needed to be um constantly entertained.
• 1:47:26
  Kay Dunning: And you know, you come up here, it's like you work all year, you come up for a little vacation, but you don't get a vacation and stuff.
• 1:47:34
  Kay Dunning: So um but I am forever grateful that I got to have her down there um in Minnesota because it was it was complete.
• 1:47:45
  Douglas: You got some more time with her, but then also your kids got time with her as well.
• 1:47:49
  Kay Dunning: They did, they did, and it was a role reversal, and God bless Rick, I could not have done it without him.
• 1:47:55
  Kay Dunning: I mean, he was the best son-in-law ever, and he helped me with every aspect um of of taking care of her.
• 1:48:02
  Kay Dunning: And and she was in a uh a really nice um place, but you know, we were over there three, four times a week, um, because y you know, these people some people get parked in a place and there's nobody that comes and checks on them.
• 1:48:16
  Kay Dunning: And it's just really heartbreaking to see that.
• 1:48:18
  Kay Dunning: But um, but yeah, it was it was really nice.
• 1:48:21
  Kay Dunning: Um near the end when um about two months before she passed away, she it was at the hospital and and the ER doc happened to be specialized in seniors.
• 1:48:32
  Kay Dunning: And he's like, Oh, she doesn't need this medicine, this medicine, this medicine.
• 1:48:35
  Kay Dunning: And he got to one that I call the happy drug.
• 1:48:38
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, you take that one away, you're gonna be dealing with me too.
• 1:48:41
  Kay Dunning: You're gonna be needing some medicine.
• 1:48:42
  Kay Dunning: No, no, no, no, no, you don't get to take that one away.
• 1:48:45
  Kay Dunning: So, but she was, yeah, smiley up to the end.
• 1:48:48
  Kay Dunning: So, um, and she was she was always a really supportive mom.
• 1:48:52
  Douglas: I mean, both my parents were, so got me music lessons and well uh the thing I remember about both of them is they they for me the I didn't have a ton of interaction with them, but they're always involved in things in the community.
• 1:49:05
  Douglas: They're always different organizations or whatever, they were always stepping up and doing like your dad's cooking for all these organizations, your mom with the American Cancer Society.
• 1:49:15
  Douglas: I think she was she in the women's club too.
• 1:49:17
  Kay Dunning: Women's Club, the BPW, the yeah, all of them.
• 1:49:21
  Douglas: Seemed there in all those organizations and and helping out in a lot of ways.
• 1:49:25
  Kay Dunning: And that was the Legion was the biggest one for me.
• 1:49:27
  Douglas: For for me, just looking at that as a young kid, and just you just assume, because there's so many people that I knew growing up that were in those positions that were always volunteering.
• 1:49:37
  Douglas: Yeah, John Bruce, the Boy Scout, Steve McPheeter boy the just the things that they were giving back to, it's just kind of like that's what you're supposed to do.
• 1:49:46
  Kay Dunning: That's exactly.
• 1:49:47
  Kay Dunning: I mean, you you were raised to you volunteer.
• 1:49:50
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:49:51
  Douglas: I just figured that's what everybody did.
• 1:49:52
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:49:53
  Kay Dunning: Because so many people then I find out now that that's not necessarily the case.
• 1:49:56
  Kay Dunning: Not necessarily the case.
• 1:49:58
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 1:49:58
  Kay Dunning: It's sure.
• 1:49:59
  Kay Dunning: It sure revitalizes Rick and me.
• 1:50:01
  Kay Dunning: I mean we volunteer down south too.
• 1:50:03
  Kay Dunning: But Rick I don't know that Rick grew up doing that very much with his family, but um he sure does a lot here and and uh we um I remember this year when we went to the fireman's barbecue, my mom and I on the way over it's like I bet we'll it'll be nice to see Rick and Kay.
• 1:50:19
  Douglas: And we get there like Rick and Kay aren't here.
• 1:50:22
  Douglas: What's going on?
• 1:50:25
  Kay Dunning: You know, we stuck stay back for our son's graduation from his residency.
• 1:50:28
  Douglas: That's an important thing, though.
• 1:50:30
  Douglas: You were celebrating your 40th wedding anniversary.
• 1:50:32
  Douglas: He was graduating from his residency.
• 1:50:35
  Douglas: And wasn't it your birthday or something too?
• 1:50:37
  Kay Dunning: Or it's my birthday, yeah.
• 1:50:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, it's it's our anniversary.
• 1:50:40
  Douglas: Yeah, it's all only valid reasons.
• 1:50:43
  Kay Dunning: It was my favorite thing last year.
• 1:50:44
  Kay Dunning: Um, somebody asked me how I celebrated my 60th birthday last year, and I'm like, well, we were at the barbecue.
• 1:50:49
  Kay Dunning: We were at the barbecue, and that's and that's we got married on my 21st birthday.
• 1:50:53
  Kay Dunning: Okay, and so um, so we're at the barbecue, and then that night they had the uh community the Tocat Commit Um Valley Community Foundation had their thing out at the um Tookat retreat, and they I walk in and there's this entire wall of desserts, and I'm like, this is the best birthday anniversary ever.
• 1:51:11
  Kay Dunning: I got brisket for lunch, and I get this for dessert.
• 1:51:14
  Kay Dunning: It was awesome.
• 1:51:16
  Kay Dunning: And Rick didn't have to do anything.
• 1:51:18
  Douglas: Everybody's celebrating my birthday.
• 1:51:20
  Kay Dunning: I know.
• 1:51:20
  Douglas: How did they all know?
• 1:51:22
  Kay Dunning: I just felt special.
• 1:51:23
  Kay Dunning: So me and Melina Shields, you know.
• 1:51:26
  Douglas: Yep.
• 1:51:27
  Douglas: So we're now that you and Rick are retired, you're spent it's you're spent a little bit more time in Haines the last few summers.
• 1:51:35
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:51:35
  Douglas: A little bit longer.
• 1:51:36
  Douglas: Got a couple grandkids in Minnesota.
• 1:51:39
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:51:40
  Kay Dunning: Where do you where's boy Rick is really, really, really pushing for the uh six months and a day up here?
• 1:51:46
  Douglas: Oh, is he?
• 1:51:47
  Douglas: Yeah, he's he wants he wants to spend more time, right?
• 1:51:52
  Kay Dunning: And you can still see the grandkids that way, like two weeks there, or two weeks here, two weeks there.
• 1:51:56
  Kay Dunning: I don't know, honey.
• 1:51:58
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  Douglas: So we're still still in negotiations, is what I'm hearing.
• 1:52:02
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:52:03
  Douglas: Or is he made up his mind, and you'll have dual residents, you'll have really duh.
• 1:52:08
  Douglas: You'll be a Minnesota resident, he'll be Alaska resident.
• 1:52:11
  Kay Dunning: You think we've had 40 years of marriage from him making up his mind?
• 1:52:15
  Douglas: Yeah, I know where this is going.
• 1:52:17
  Douglas: I know where this is going.
• 1:52:19
  Kay Dunning: Happy life, happy life.
• 1:52:20
  Douglas: Yes, I'm I'm I'm trying to help Rick out here.
• 1:52:22
  Douglas: We were kind of mean to him earlier, trying to make it up to him.
• 1:52:26
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, you know, if we can figure out a way we will do that.
• 1:52:30
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:52:30
  Douglas: Because I I also know from first hand experience how important grandchildren are to a mother.
• 1:52:37
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 1:52:37
  Kay Dunning: Or to a grandmother.
• 1:52:39
  Douglas: To a grandmother.
• 1:52:40
  Douglas: There's a really, really strong bond there.
• 1:52:43
  Douglas: Yes.
• 1:52:43
  Douglas: And so he I guess hey he's he's either crazy or brave to bring that up.
• 1:52:49
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:52:49
  Douglas: Maybe a little bit of both.
• 1:52:50
  Kay Dunning: You know, at first he didn't think our son was going to uh he he thought that we would all move out to the West Coast because like the Pacific Northwest, and and then this would be an easy decision.
• 1:53:00
  Kay Dunning: Um, but he you know, Michael married a Minnesota girl.
• 1:53:03
  Kay Dunning: We could not ask for a better daughter-in-law.
• 1:53:05
  Kay Dunning: Um, but her family's there, and Michael's ties are there now, and so they're gonna stay there, and if they're staying there, we're staying there.
• 1:53:14
  Kay Dunning: So I don't know if you can do a split residency.
• 1:53:17
  Kay Dunning: I don't know how that works.
• 1:53:19
  Kay Dunning: You know?
• 1:53:20
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:53:20
  Kay Dunning: I looked at Rick, I said, I think the only way you can do it is if you divorce me.
• 1:53:24
  Kay Dunning: Literally.
• 1:53:25
  Kay Dunning: I mean, you like you have to do it for tax purposes, and he's like, Well, I'm not doing that.
• 1:53:29
  Kay Dunning: Well, thank you.
• 1:53:31
  Kay Dunning: That's nice, that was nice.
• 1:53:32
  Kay Dunning: I didn't think you were, but I didn't think you were, but thanks for the reassurance.
• 1:53:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:53:40
  Kay Dunning: So I got a question for you.
• 1:53:41
  Kay Dunning: Does do you have people?
• 1:53:42
  Kay Dunning: This is this is a good thing.
• 1:53:45
  Douglas: Really pushing the limit here.
• 1:53:47
  Kay Dunning: Which how long have we been talking, too?
• 1:53:49
  Douglas: Two hours.
• 1:53:50
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 1:53:50
  Kay Dunning: Oh gosh, Matt Jones is, you know, three.
• 1:53:54
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 1:53:55
  Douglas: Is Matt over at the house eating your dinner right now?
• 1:53:57
  Douglas: That Rick is.
• 1:53:57
  Kay Dunning: He probably is.
• 1:53:58
  Kay Dunning: He probably is, yeah.
• 1:53:59
  Kay Dunning: I hope that they're having a good, a good thing.
• 1:54:02
  Kay Dunning: I'm sure they are.
• 1:54:03
  Kay Dunning: Um, do you ever have people come back in town and go, Oh, I used to babysit you?
• 1:54:09
  Douglas: Yes.
• 1:54:09
  Kay Dunning: So when I would come back to town, um, you know, in my twenties and stuff like that, I would get all these people that I used to babysit you, I used to babysit you, and and now I'm doing that now.
• 1:54:20
  Kay Dunning: Now you're doing that.
• 1:54:21
  Kay Dunning: Oh, I used to babysit you.
• 1:54:23
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:54:24
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:54:24
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:54:25
  Douglas: No, there's Barb Henderson.
• 1:54:28
  Kay Dunning: Oh, yeah, I think she did me too.
• 1:54:30
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 1:54:31
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:54:31
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:54:31
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:54:32
  Douglas: No, there's there's a couple ladies that come back and I used to babysit you when you were a kid.
• 1:54:37
  Kay Dunning: Did you or Sarah babysit people?
• 1:54:39
  Douglas: Sarah did.
• 1:54:39
  Douglas: I had no desire to do that.
• 1:54:42
  Kay Dunning: I yeah.
• 1:54:42
  Kay Dunning: I I had like three or four families where I was their primary babysitter.
• 1:54:47
  Douglas: Um I my I don't think it counts as babysitting as an uncle because I I told Sarah and Ralph when they started having kids.
• 1:54:54
  Douglas: I said once kids are potty trained, if I don't have to deal with diapers, I'm fine.
• 1:55:00
  Douglas: I'm not changing diapers of your kids.
• 1:55:03
  Douglas: And I've told Tyler and Dylan and all then, same thing.
• 1:55:06
  Douglas: I'm not changing your kids' diapers.
• 1:55:08
  Douglas: So once they get out of the diapers, if they want to hang out with Uncle for longer than that, happy to do it.
• 1:55:14
  Kay Dunning: Have you ever changed a diaper?
• 1:55:16
  Douglas: No, I have no desire to do that.
• 1:55:17
  Douglas: And I'm beyond the palette, I don't see myself having kids.
• 1:55:21
  Douglas: I'm past that point.
• 1:55:22
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 1:55:23
  Douglas: I see a lot of people in Hollywood that are not in Hollywood, okay?
• 1:55:27
  Douglas: This I'm in Haines, Alaska.
• 1:55:29
  Kay Dunning: You this is kind of Hollywood.
• 1:55:31
  Kay Dunning: This is the this is the Hollywood of Alaska.
• 1:55:34
  Douglas: Yeah, no, I'll I'll push back on that.
• 1:55:36
  Douglas: But then the other rule was with the kids, I'd tell them, as soon as somebody starts whining, we're going home.
• 1:55:44
  Kay Dunning: Oh, and they didn't whine, did they?
• 1:55:47
  Douglas: They did once.
• 1:55:48
  Kay Dunning: And we're back to the store.
• 1:55:50
  Douglas: And from then on, they either they're either like, we're not dealing with Uncle, he's too soft for us.
• 1:55:56
  Douglas: That could have been part of it, or there was no whining because it's like, yeah, we're whining.
• 1:56:01
  Douglas: We're gone.
• 1:56:02
  Douglas: I don't have time for that.
• 1:56:03
  Douglas: Oh, you're going back to mom and dad.
• 1:56:05
  Kay Dunning: You're tough.
• 1:56:06
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 1:56:06
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, tough, man.
• 1:56:08
  Kay Dunning: So how many how many jobs did you have as a little kid?
• 1:56:10
  Kay Dunning: Or as a younger kid?
• 1:56:13
  Douglas: Paying jobs or just things that I had to do.
• 1:56:16
  Kay Dunning: No, paying jobs.
• 1:56:16
  Kay Dunning: Did you enjoy it?
• 1:56:17
  Kay Dunning: Was it always with your family?
• 1:56:19
  Douglas: No, my my dad had this deal where if people came in and they're looking for somebody that needed help with something, uh-huh, then Doug was going to do that.
• 1:56:28
  Douglas: Because I'd I'd help out at the store, but if somebody was like, hey, yeah, we're gonna be pouring Smet Foundation, we need another somebody to run a wheelbarrow, he's like, Hey, guess what?
• 1:56:37
  Douglas: At two o'clock, you need to be at such a stuff.
• 1:56:39
  Douglas: I was like, Well, what am I doing there?
• 1:56:40
  Douglas: He says, They need how they're pouring concrete and they need another person.
• 1:56:43
  Douglas: Okay.
• 1:56:44
  Douglas: I don't know anything about it.
• 1:56:45
  Douglas: Well, you're gonna learn.
• 1:56:46
  Douglas: Did you learn skills?
• 1:56:47
  Douglas: Some of them, yeah.
• 1:56:48
  Kay Dunning: Oh, that's good.
• 1:56:49
  Douglas: And that was his his biggest thing the whole time was it's another tool in your toolbox.
• 1:56:54
  Kay Dunning: Your dad was a wise man.
• 1:56:56
  Douglas: Another tool in your toolbox.
• 1:56:57
  Douglas: All these things, and and it was a lot of it drove Sarah and I crazy because all we're hearing about tool and toolbox is like, damn, box is getting heavy, dad.
• 1:57:07
  Douglas: But yeah, it was and but it was a great thing because he was having experience, even just a small one, of knowing what those people are doing on a daily basis.
• 1:57:17
  Douglas: Okay, it gives you a better appreciation of what those jobs entail and what you want to do with your life.
• 1:57:23
  Kay Dunning: Yes, yeah, he'd what you don't want to do with your life.
• 1:57:27
  Douglas: And yeah, one of the things that I didn't really key into it at the time, but over the years that really impressed me about him is there's a time that he owned five commercial fishing boats.
• 1:57:40
  Douglas: Did he really to help people?
• 1:57:42
  Douglas: It was either five or six.
• 1:57:43
  Kay Dunning: Wow.
• 1:57:44
  Douglas: That when the mills shut down, there's a bunch of people that lost their jobs, and they were in the store, they're in the sports shop talking to him all the time.
• 1:57:52
  Douglas: And uh yeah, like Ron Martin, he helped him get the Red Witch, Tim Twiliger helped him get his boat, um, uh Kurt Ramsey, um, there's a couple others I can't remember, but uh Larry Martin got him started with Pappy Frost.
• 1:58:05
  Douglas: But he would he would buy the boat, they would buy the permit, because a lot of times they didn't have the funds to do both.
• 1:58:10
  Douglas: Right.
• 1:58:11
  Douglas: And then over time, some of them bought the boat back, some of them bought a different boat.
• 1:58:14
  Douglas: My dad had somebody else fish the boat.
• 1:58:16
  Douglas: Um but to help him go and I looking back at it at the time, like he didn't have any money to do that.
• 1:58:23
  Douglas: He was he was he had to be leveraged to the hilt.
• 1:58:27
  Kay Dunning: Oh my gosh.
• 1:58:28
  Douglas: Doing that with having notes on all of this stuff.
• 1:58:30
  Douglas: I was like, man, that was either crazy or extremely generous.
• 1:58:37
  Douglas: Okay, a little bit of both.
• 1:58:38
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 1:58:39
  Douglas: To do that for other people just because he wanted to help them out.
• 1:58:43
  Kay Dunning: That's incredible that he would take that debt on the other hand.
• 1:58:45
  Douglas: And I think a lot of it came from his childhood when he was his mom passed away when he was really young.
• 1:58:51
  Douglas: His dad, oh yeah, his dad kind of hit the bottle, left the kids by themselves.
• 1:58:57
  Kay Dunning: Didn't he go to live with family or something?
• 1:58:58
  Douglas: Yeah, another another family that wasn't even related to him.
• 1:59:01
  Douglas: Two bachelor brothers and Vivian that she took care of the house, cooked and cleaned and stuff for him.
• 1:59:08
  Kay Dunning: Wow.
• 1:59:08
  Douglas: They raised, they were the ones that raised him.
• 1:59:10
  Kay Dunning: That's incredible.
• 1:59:11
  Douglas: And I think that generosity of taking somebody in that wasn't family, helping them, this was one of the ways that he could pay that back.
• 1:59:19
  Kay Dunning: That's incredible.
• 1:59:20
  Douglas: And he was always trying to do stuff like that to help others, to help to help other people.
• 1:59:25
  Douglas: And so a lot of times, if some of those people needed a deck hand, hey, you need to be at the dock at we're at dinner Saturday night, you need to be at the dock at 5 30 tomorrow.
• 1:59:33
  Douglas: I was like, Why?
• 1:59:34
  Douglas: Oh, Ron Martin needs you to be a deck hand.
• 1:59:37
  Douglas: Ron would give me so much crap, he was always picking on me, he was always just giving me crap.
• 1:59:42
  Douglas: I'm not going fishing with Ron.
• 1:59:44
  Douglas: And he was Yes you are.
• 1:59:45
  Douglas: He's like, Exactly, that was his answer.
• 1:59:47
  Douglas: Yes, you are.
• 1:59:48
  Douglas: I was like, no, I'm not.
• 1:59:49
  Douglas: He goes, I told him you'd be there, you're gonna be at the dock.
• 1:59:52
  Kay Dunning: And so I'm don't make a liar out of me.
• 1:59:54
  Douglas: I'm down at the dock, 5 30, 5 o'clock, or whatever it is in the morning, and got my brain gear boots and everything, and just hardly talk on the way out fishing, and we get out there getting ready to sit before the opener, and he's like, Listen, I have a certain way.
• 2:00:13
  Douglas: I said, I don't care how you did it with anybody else.
• 2:00:17
  Douglas: I know you fished, I have my way of doing it.
• 2:00:20
  Douglas: You either do it my way or I'm putting you on the beach.
• 2:00:23
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 2:00:24
  Douglas: Pretty much is what he said.
• 2:00:25
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:00:26
  Douglas: He used a little more colorful language, but I was like, okay, how do you want me to do this?
• 2:00:31
  Douglas: And he looked at me like, what do you mean?
• 2:00:32
  Douglas: I said, How do you want me to do this?
• 2:00:34
  Douglas: He said, I'll teach you.
• 2:00:36
  Douglas: I was like, Okay.
• 2:00:37
  Douglas: By the end of the opening, he's like, You coming back next week?
• 2:00:39
  Douglas: I was like, No, I gotta go to college.
• 2:00:41
  Douglas: Peace out, I'm out of here.
• 2:00:43
  Douglas: But it we got along great.
• 2:00:45
  Douglas: Oh, I just did what he told me to do.
• 2:00:47
  Douglas: And that made him he was very specific on how he wanted something done.
• 2:00:51
  Kay Dunning: You know, that helps when you know.
• 2:00:52
  Douglas: And that was one of those first things, is like that, and you know, Brene Brown says this all the time, clear is kind.
• 2:00:57
  Douglas: If you tell somebody exactly what the expectations are, it's easy to meet that.
• 2:01:03
  Douglas: Because if I tell you, okay, I'm gonna leave you here for an hour, clean the store.
• 2:01:09
  Kay Dunning: What do you want me to do?
• 2:01:10
  Kay Dunning: Dust?
• 2:01:11
  Douglas: You don't know what my level of cleanliness is, but if I say, Okay, I want you to wash the windows, I want you to vacuum the floor, I want you to clean the glass and the counters, and these are the things and you come back and all those are done, it's like, okay, yeah, you did it.
• 2:01:22
  Kay Dunning: You did good.
• 2:01:23
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:01:23
  Douglas: But if you don't know what the expectations are, you could dust everything in the store, but not vacuum the floors or clean the windows, and I'm like, what the heck did you do?
• 2:01:34
  Kay Dunning: Wait a second, I did all this.
• 2:01:35
  Kay Dunning: Very true.
• 2:01:36
  Douglas: And so that that aspect, I I didn't clue in at the time, but with Ron, he was very clear on what he wanted done and how he wanted it done.
• 2:01:46
  Kay Dunning: And are you more clear now because of that?
• 2:01:48
  Douglas: I tried to be.
• 2:01:48
  Douglas: Not always, because I I can still speak about something and the other person does something, I'm like.
• 2:01:56
  Douglas: I made it extremely clear.
• 2:01:59
  Kay Dunning: In your mind.
• 2:02:00
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, in my mind.
• 2:02:02
  Douglas: I made it extremely clear how this needed to be done.
• 2:02:05
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:02:06
  Douglas: How did how could they possibly screw that up?
• 2:02:08
  Douglas: You know and it happens all the time.
• 2:02:10
  Douglas: I used to uh clean- So I think I have a communication issue, okay.
• 2:02:13
  Kay Dunning: Uh I don't know.
• 2:02:14
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 2:02:16
  Kay Dunning: You can't communicate well.
• 2:02:17
  Douglas: I cannot communicate well, apparently.
• 2:02:20
  Kay Dunning: Um, I used to clean uh houses for uh Betty Hun or clean Betty Heinmeller's house.
• 2:02:25
  Douglas: Okay.
• 2:02:25
  Kay Dunning: And she was that way.
• 2:02:27
  Kay Dunning: She was very specific on what she wanted done and how she wanted it done.
• 2:02:32
  Kay Dunning: And that has served me in good stead all these years.
• 2:02:35
  Kay Dunning: But it it really does help when you when you know, when you know what to do.
• 2:02:40
  Douglas: Clear, clear definition on what the job entails or anything.
• 2:02:43
  Kay Dunning: Clear as mud.
• 2:02:44
  Douglas: Even even in relationships, it was very clear what the expectations are what you're doing this, I'm doing this, and having those conversations or whatever makes everything go much smoother.
• 2:02:54
  Kay Dunning: Marriage, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely.
• 2:02:56
  Kay Dunning: It's like, you know, uh when you have different um I I'm a detail person and Rick is is more big picture.
• 2:03:06
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:03:07
  Kay Dunning: And and that can have those issues.
• 2:03:10
  Kay Dunning: Detail people are are more anal.
• 2:03:12
  Kay Dunning: I'm sorry.
• 2:03:13
  Kay Dunning: I'm analyzed.
• 2:03:15
  Kay Dunning: But but you know, it's it's like oh, it's taken me a many years to get comfortable with it's okay, you do it, you do it your way.
• 2:03:26
  Kay Dunning: I'll either go right behind you and fix it, or or um, or just being okay with it and and teaching preschool really helped me with that.
• 2:03:35
  Douglas: Oh, I bet it would.
• 2:03:36
  Kay Dunning: That's a really cool concept.
• 2:03:37
  Kay Dunning: Let's let's do it that way now.
• 2:03:39
  Kay Dunning: But yeah, so those those early jobs, uh Rick and I were counting up how many different places I had worked um around here.
• 2:03:49
  Douglas: Yeah, I didn't I didn't work at businesses that much as much because there was places that I applied that wouldn't hire me because they were afraid my dad was gonna be mad at them because that way I wouldn't be there working for him.
• 2:04:04
  Douglas: Yeah, there's a couple places that I was like, oh, this would be a sweet job, and I'd put an application in and and I just never heard back, and I I was like, what the heck happened?
• 2:04:12
  Douglas: And somebody in the office or somebody there was like, yeah, they don't want their dad, they don't want your dad pissed off at them.
• 2:04:17
  Kay Dunning: I don't remember ever feeling filling out a job application.
• 2:04:22
  Douglas: There was it was there was just a couple places that I did it.
• 2:04:25
  Douglas: I yeah, I didn't know.
• 2:04:26
  Douglas: But most of it was just yeah, it was oh yeah, yeah, you're working for us, yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:30
  Kay Dunning: Can I can I get can I come work for you?
• 2:04:32
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:32
  Kay Dunning: I worked for a halibut uh fishing charter group one time over the summer.
• 2:04:37
  Kay Dunning: Um and everybody in town, it seemed like worked at the Halsey Land Hotel.
• 2:04:41
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 2:04:42
  Kay Dunning: Um I did not work at the Halsey Land, I worked for Helma in the uh trailer park behind and uh and that and that's where the halibut fishing thing ran out of to like the following year.
• 2:04:53
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 2:04:53
  Kay Dunning: And Alaska Indian Arts I worked at.
• 2:04:56
  Kay Dunning: Okay, all those different things.
• 2:04:58
  Kay Dunning: Toket dancing.
• 2:04:59
  Kay Dunning: I in fact to cat dancing, I just noticed.
• 2:05:01
  Douglas: Were you ever a dancer?
• 2:05:03
  Kay Dunning: I was a lead dancer for a year.
• 2:05:04
  Douglas: You were a lead dancer at Chilkat Dancer?
• 2:05:05
  Kay Dunning: For uh yeah, for um a year or two.
• 2:05:07
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:05:08
  Douglas: Um Were you in Lust for Dust too?
• 2:05:10
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 2:05:11
  Douglas: Patience rewarded?
• 2:05:13
  Kay Dunning: I was patience and I was um Goldie.
• 2:05:16
  Kay Dunning: I was rosy.
• 2:05:17
  Kay Dunning: I was Goldie of the of the uh bar at the bar girls, yeah.
• 2:05:21
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:05:22
  Douglas: How many years did you do that?
• 2:05:24
  Douglas: See, all the people from the 80s are gonna be catching on to this.
• 2:05:28
  Douglas: A lot of people are going, what the heck are they talking about?
• 2:05:30
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:31
  Kay Dunning: Lust for dusty or patience rewarded, yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:33
  Kay Dunning: Um three years?
• 2:05:35
  Kay Dunning: I s I have dreams that I've come back to town and that they're revising it.
• 2:05:39
  Kay Dunning: They're like, we need somebody to play patience.
• 2:05:41
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, I don't know the lines anymore.
• 2:05:44
  Kay Dunning: The only one I remember is, and and it was uh Tammy Hyatt that that did it perfectly.
• 2:05:51
  Kay Dunning: She was the very first patience, and uh she was she was so good at it, but she did a a little line where it's um I flee, and you have to kick your legs out to the side and not trip on your dress as you come back down.
• 2:06:03
  Kay Dunning: But um, yeah, that was really fun.
• 2:06:05
  Kay Dunning: My mom played the um villain, villainous in um Smell of the Yukon.
• 2:06:12
  Douglas: My dad was in Smell of the Yukon, too.
• 2:06:13
  Douglas: Was he really?
• 2:06:14
  Douglas: What part did he play?
• 2:06:14
  Douglas: I have I have no idea, but we have the we we have a newspaper or the playbill or something.
• 2:06:19
  Douglas: We've got it framed at my mom's house.
• 2:06:21
  Kay Dunning: Oh, that's cool.
• 2:06:22
  Douglas: With him like kissing this lady or something in it with Smell of the Yukon.
• 2:06:25
  Douglas: At first I was like, the hell is this?
• 2:06:28
  Douglas: Well, it's a play.
• 2:06:29
  Douglas: I was like, wait a second, my dad was in a play?
• 2:06:32
  Kay Dunning: I wonder if um I'm trying to remember.
• 2:06:34
  Kay Dunning: Um Ray Menecker played opposite my mom a lot.
• 2:06:37
  Douglas: Okay.
• 2:06:38
  Kay Dunning: Um, and then um oh gosh, who else was there's there's a lot of people in it that I can't re I can't remember who all was in.
• 2:06:45
  Kay Dunning: I remember like Judy Heimiller's one of the Can Can Girls and and Um KA Greg and stuff like that, Cheryl Martin and I'm gonna be able to do that.
• 2:06:52
  Douglas: I remember briefly see I think we saw it when I was young because there was I remember the Can Can Girls and everything.
• 2:06:57
  Douglas: I don't remember my dad ever being in it or seeing it when he was in it.
• 2:07:00
  Douglas: But we've got that playbill or whatever.
• 2:07:03
  Douglas: Wow, that's so funny.
• 2:07:06
  Kay Dunning: I think I I saw my mom's Lou costume.
• 2:07:08
  Douglas: Oh, do you?
• 2:07:09
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:07:09
  Kay Dunning: It's uh red satin with black, and I remember her feather and yeah, she'd put the mole, like the Maryland mole, on her T.
• 2:07:16
  Kay Dunning: And uh she had a line in the play, um, I'm so mad I could bite a nail, and she'd throw this nail.
• 2:07:24
  Kay Dunning: And every night I had to go retrieve it.
• 2:07:26
  Kay Dunning: I was like four or five years old.
• 2:07:27
  Kay Dunning: Like, oh, where's the nail?
• 2:07:29
  Douglas: That was your first job as retreat.
• 2:07:30
  Douglas: Yeah, yeah, that was my probably unpaid.
• 2:07:34
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I think there was child labor law as well.
• 2:07:37
  Kay Dunning: Um yeah, I had to sing uh It's a Small World at the start.
• 2:07:42
  Kay Dunning: They did a pre-show.
• 2:07:43
  Kay Dunning: Okay, and I would have to sing uh It's a Small World.
• 2:07:46
  Douglas: Um by yourself?
• 2:07:48
  Douglas: How old were you when you're five, six or two?
• 2:07:51
  Douglas: So they're forcing you out on the stage to five or six of children.
• 2:07:54
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:07:54
  Kay Dunning: I did the same thing with my kids.
• 2:07:58
  Douglas: No, one one of my one of my favorite parts with uh uh Lust for Dust was with Ray Mannecker reading Robert Service beforehand.
• 2:08:06
  Kay Dunning: Was it do you so Ray Maneker, do you remember Lowell Knutsen doing it too?
• 2:08:11
  Douglas: Yes.
• 2:08:11
  Douglas: Yes, that's right.
• 2:08:12
  Douglas: So good.
• 2:08:13
  Douglas: I'd forgotten about that.
• 2:08:14
  Douglas: So good.
• 2:08:14
  Douglas: They both didn't have a lot of things.
• 2:08:15
  Douglas: Yeah, both of those guys did a great job with that.
• 2:08:18
  Kay Dunning: Um Sam the creation of Sam McGee.
• 2:08:20
  Kay Dunning: Lowell was spectacular in that.
• 2:08:27
  Douglas: Strange strange things done beneath the midnight sun by men who muck and moil for gold.
• 2:08:33
  Kay Dunning: But the strangest story ever told.
• 2:08:38
  Douglas: Barge on Lake Lamarge.
• 2:08:40
  Douglas: Yeah, Barge on Lake Lamarge and creation of Sam McGee.
• 2:08:44
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:08:44
  Kay Dunning: Um I I think you know the uh LCCP is doing some um they're doing a uh Edgar Allan Poe thing this year.
• 2:08:54
  Douglas: I saw an advertisement for you.
• 2:08:55
  Kay Dunning: But they might throw in a little bit of Robert Service in with it, I think, too.
• 2:08:58
  Kay Dunning: So yeah, you should oh, you should audition for that.
• 2:09:03
  Douglas: No.
• 2:09:04
  Kay Dunning: You know, um a oh gosh.
• 2:09:06
  Douglas: I almost did a play a few years ago.
• 2:09:08
  Kay Dunning: Oh, did you?
• 2:09:09
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I forget which one it was, but it called the the Mamma Mia, where you had to be one of the Mamma Mia.
• 2:09:16
  Douglas: Yeah, no, that was not gonna be it.
• 2:09:18
  Douglas: But the part called for like a pot-bellied bald guy.
• 2:09:23
  Douglas: And I was like, I Yeah, that looks just like you.
• 2:09:25
  Douglas: I was like, yeah, I was like, I appreciate you guys thinking that I could do this, but I've never acted at all in my life, and I think that's a little bit of a stretch for me.
• 2:09:34
  Douglas: It's like, no, no, no, we can make it happen.
• 2:09:36
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Douglas: And it was, it was I think it was three weeks before it was going to be performed.
• 2:09:44
  Douglas: I was like, I gotta learn all of this.
• 2:09:46
  Kay Dunning: Oh, yeah.
• 2:09:47
  Kay Dunning: Oh, that's that's a lot.
• 2:09:48
  Douglas: And they're like, you can do it.
• 2:09:49
  Douglas: Like, maybe I can, but I'm not going to.
• 2:09:54
  Kay Dunning: You're just kind of stubborn, aren't you?
• 2:09:56
  Douglas: Not just kind of.
• 2:09:58
  Kay Dunning: I've never known that about you.
• 2:09:59
  Douglas: You've never known that about me?
• 2:10:00
  Douglas: Talk to my mom and sister sometimes.
• 2:10:05
  Kay Dunning: You know, oh it's Doug, you know.
• 2:10:07
  Douglas: I can seem that way, but uh, yeah, no, I've I'm I can be fairly stubborn.
• 2:10:11
  Kay Dunning: You know, I've I've gotten into um directing plays down south.
• 2:10:15
  Douglas: See, you need so you need to bring back Lust for Dust.
• 2:10:19
  Kay Dunning: Oh man, that's been talked about.
• 2:10:20
  Kay Dunning: It's been talked about.
• 2:10:22
  Douglas: You've got experience.
• 2:10:24
  Kay Dunning: I think so.
• 2:10:25
  Douglas: As an actress in it, you've been directing plays.
• 2:10:28
  Kay Dunning: There's a lot of people up here though that have experience that have directed plays.
• 2:10:31
  Douglas: Exactly.
• 2:10:32
  Douglas: You have you can you can coalesce that group.
• 2:10:35
  Douglas: You're the linchpin in the group, Kay.
• 2:10:38
  Kay Dunning: Is that yeah?
• 2:10:38
  Douglas: That's what uh that's what I'm going with here to bring revive revive lusts for dust for Haines.
• 2:10:44
  Kay Dunning: There we go.
• 2:10:46
  Douglas: I'll I'll look forward to seeing I'll look forward to opening that next time.
• 2:10:49
  Kay Dunning: Morgan Knudsen can go play Danny Rugit and Tom Andreessen can be Sergeant Justin Tump.
• 2:10:54
  Kay Dunning: Wait, Tom Orfitt played that part too.
• 2:10:57
  Douglas: There you go.
• 2:10:57
  Douglas: See, you have actors already lined up for these parts.
• 2:11:00
  Kay Dunning: Well, we we talked about, you know, it's it's been jokingly talked about rewriting it to Lust for Dust, the Golden Years.
• 2:11:07
  Douglas: The Golden Years.
• 2:11:08
  Douglas: Okay, I'll make you a deal.
• 2:11:11
  Douglas: Are you ready to bargain?
• 2:11:13
  Kay Dunning: Oh uh.
• 2:11:15
  Douglas: If you bring back Lust for Dust, I'll read Cremation of Sam McGee beforehand.
• 2:11:23
  Kay Dunning: Oh, it's a pre-show thing, huh?
• 2:11:25
  Douglas: I'll do I'll do the pre-show with Cremation of Sam McGee.
• 2:11:30
  Kay Dunning: You're hearing it live.
• 2:11:31
  Kay Dunning: Well, it's not gonna be live, it's recorded.
• 2:11:33
  Kay Dunning: Record it live.
• 2:11:35
  Douglas: Recorded live, but you have to bring back Lust for Dust.
• 2:11:38
  Kay Dunning: Ooh, can I do it as the Golden Years?
• 2:11:40
  Douglas: You can do it as the Golden Years if you rewrite it as the Golden Years.
• 2:11:44
  Kay Dunning: That could be a lot of fun.
• 2:11:45
  Douglas: I'll I'll I'll make that commitment.
• 2:11:47
  Kay Dunning: I'll get together with a couple people and see about that idea.
• 2:11:50
  Douglas: To to relive past history, summer history in Haines.
• 2:11:53
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:11:54
  Douglas: Cultural icon of Lust for Dust.
• 2:11:56
  Douglas: You can reboot it as the Golden Years.
• 2:12:00
  Kay Dunning: You be in the show.
• 2:12:01
  Douglas: No, no, that wasn't part of the deal here, Kay.
• 2:12:03
  Douglas: This was pre-show.
• 2:12:05
  Douglas: Old news sitting on a snow.
• 2:12:07
  Kay Dunning: Rick has always wanted to be in one of my shows, but he only wants to be a wolf.
• 2:12:11
  Kay Dunning: I don't know why.
• 2:12:15
  Kay Dunning: He just wants to be a wolf.
• 2:12:17
  Kay Dunning: And I'm like, honey, you can't.
• 2:12:19
  Kay Dunning: He couldn't be in my shows because he was always fine.
• 2:12:21
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:12:22
  Kay Dunning: Well, he's retired now.
• 2:12:23
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, cool, you could be in one of the shows.
• 2:12:25
  Douglas: And he's like Sergeant Justin Time has his dog, but he can have the wolf.
• 2:12:30
  Douglas: He can have a wolf named Rick coming onto the stage with Sergeant Justin Time.
• 2:12:35
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yep, there we go.
• 2:12:37
  Douglas: We're rewriting that part for a wolf.
• 2:12:39
  Kay Dunning: I like it.
• 2:12:39
  Kay Dunning: I like it.
• 2:12:40
  Douglas: He's got So now you got you got Rick in there.
• 2:12:42
  Douglas: You're well on your way to making this happen.
• 2:12:46
  Kay Dunning: Probably Tom.
• 2:12:48
  Douglas: When I get home, I'm gonna have to start.
• 2:12:49
  Douglas: I'm gonna have to get out my Robert service book and start memorizing.
• 2:12:53
  Douglas: Although I thought Ray and them, I thought they read it.
• 2:12:56
  Douglas: Did they not have a book that they were reading, or did they actually memorize it?
• 2:12:59
  Douglas: Crap, I'm gonna have to move it.
• 2:13:00
  Douglas: They memorized it.
• 2:13:05
  Kay Dunning: And I believe Ray did too, yeah.
• 2:13:06
  Douglas: I might have stepped out further on this high plank than I wanted to.
• 2:13:10
  Kay Dunning: Love and Mana, watch out for the glasses.
• 2:13:11
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, watch out for the glass.
• 2:13:13
  Douglas: Below, I'm coming for it here.
• 2:13:16
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:13:16
  Douglas: You're gonna need to give me more than three weeks to remember.
• 2:13:18
  Douglas: Do I have to do the whole?
• 2:13:19
  Douglas: Was it the whole poem?
• 2:13:21
  Douglas: Holy.
• 2:13:23
  Kay Dunning: Close the door, it's my warm in here.
• 2:13:24
  Kay Dunning: It's the first time I'm gonna see it.
• 2:13:27
  Douglas: What was I thinking?
• 2:13:29
  Kay Dunning: Oh, I like this cut this.
• 2:13:32
  Douglas: You better start practicing tonight.
• 2:13:34
  Kay Dunning: Record it for posterity's sake.
• 2:13:36
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:13:36
  Douglas: So Marty cut this part.
• 2:13:38
  Douglas: I pay Marty to do this.
• 2:13:45
  Douglas: You're you're not.
• 2:13:46
  Douglas: So you might you might have to be up against some whether this actually sees the light.
• 2:13:52
  Kay Dunning: How bad do you want to be mayor again?
• 2:13:57
  Douglas: This isn't gonna show until after the election, see?
• 2:14:00
  Douglas: So that's true.
• 2:14:01
  Douglas: I've got a little freeway there.
• 2:14:07
  Kay Dunning: Oh boy.
• 2:14:08
  Kay Dunning: Unfortunately, I have a big mouth.
• 2:14:10
  Kay Dunning: So so down south.
• 2:14:15
  Douglas: Getting back to the case story.
• 2:14:16
  Kay Dunning: Oh, so go yeah, so I was gonna tell you though, I um so about 10 years ago, 12 years ago must have been, because my daughter uh Ryan was in was in it.
• 2:14:25
  Kay Dunning: I did um Arsenic and Old Lace down south.
• 2:14:30
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:14:30
  Kay Dunning: In honor/slash memory for of my parents.
• 2:14:33
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:14:34
  Kay Dunning: So Ryan was in it.
• 2:14:35
  Kay Dunning: She played the part my mom played, and then you you talked about being asked to be in this play.
• 2:14:40
  Kay Dunning: I had a neighbor um of mine that I knew would be really good on stage, and he'd never done a play before.
• 2:14:47
  Kay Dunning: So I asked him, I'm like, hey Mike, I think you should come audition for the show, and I'll just cast you in just a small part if you you know, if you do well.
• 2:14:56
  Kay Dunning: And so he came, he did, and I did.
• 2:15:00
  Kay Dunning: I cast him in a small part.
• 2:15:02
  Kay Dunning: Then one of my leads had to quit.
• 2:15:04
  Kay Dunning: And it's it's a guy that it's the um role of kind of the drunk doctor.
• 2:15:10
  Kay Dunning: He's a like a German doctor or something like that.
• 2:15:13
  Kay Dunning: And um, and and so a Russian, I can't remember for sure which one he is, um, but you know, he's he's he's he's the drunk and um very big part.
• 2:15:24
  Kay Dunning: And I went, oh my god, I really good at that.
• 2:15:29
  Kay Dunning: And so I gave him a little longer, I gave him four and a half weeks to memorize everything.
• 2:15:35
  Kay Dunning: And and one night he came out on stage, I was up in the lighting booth, and and um he came out on stage and he walks out and he's holding his script.
• 2:15:46
  Kay Dunning: And I'm like, oh, oh crap, how's this?
• 2:15:49
  Kay Dunning: What's happening here?
• 2:15:51
  Kay Dunning: He's got his script in his hand right in front of the entire audience.
• 2:15:55
  Kay Dunning: And he kind of is like, he realizes it, he takes it and he nonchalantly sticks it in and continues on with his lines.
• 2:16:03
  Kay Dunning: Did a great job.
• 2:16:04
  Kay Dunning: He's been in a ton of shows since.
• 2:16:06
  Kay Dunning: So really, yeah.
• 2:16:07
  Kay Dunning: So you never know what happens when you step out on stage deck.
• 2:16:13
  Douglas: So apparently, appearing in a Kay Dunning production is a stepping stone to who knows what.
• 2:16:23
  Kay Dunning: Who knows what.
• 2:16:24
  Douglas: So that's just putting it out there for people that are going to be approached to appear in Lust for Dust the Golden Years.
• 2:16:30
  Douglas: This could be a stepping stone to who knows what.
• 2:16:35
  Kay Dunning: I had a young lady, she was in fourth grade.
• 2:16:37
  Kay Dunning: She I I cast her as a black sheep in um Charlotte's Webb.
• 2:16:43
  Kay Dunning: And she just graduated from college in her with her theater degree.
• 2:16:47
  Kay Dunning: So you never know where it's gonna lead.
• 2:16:52
  Douglas: That's a that's a strong selling point.
• 2:16:54
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:16:54
  Kay Dunning: See, Doug, you could have a full second career ahead of you.
• 2:16:59
  Kay Dunning: No.
• 2:17:00
  Douglas: I can I can get I can guarantee I do not have a second career ahead of me.
• 2:17:08
  Kay Dunning: Okay, third, because you're you did have you've got the mayor thing, you know, that you've had that once.
• 2:17:14
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:17:14
  Kay Dunning: And so, yeah.
• 2:17:16
  Kay Dunning: No, yeah, no, no, okay.
• 2:17:19
  Douglas: I I I told a friend in college, they were going back and forth.
• 2:17:23
  Douglas: I said, you know, acting really isn't that tough.
• 2:17:27
  Douglas: And she's like, Yeah, it is.
• 2:17:29
  Douglas: I said, No, it's not.
• 2:17:31
  Douglas: I said, anybody can be an actor.
• 2:17:33
  Douglas: And she's like, No, it's really, really tough.
• 2:17:36
  Douglas: And I said, I act like an ass all the time.
• 2:17:39
  Douglas: I said, it's really easy.
• 2:17:40
  Douglas: She didn't think that that was really the same.
• 2:17:43
  Douglas: She didn't think that was the same as actually acting.
• 2:17:47
  Kay Dunning: But well, we could put you in Shrek and you could be an ass in that.
• 2:17:50
  Douglas: There you go.
• 2:17:50
  Douglas: Sign me up as a donkey.
• 2:17:52
  Douglas: Sign me up as donkey.
• 2:17:54
  Kay Dunning: That's it.
• 2:17:54
  Kay Dunning: That's it.
• 2:17:54
  Kay Dunning: We have found your role.
• 2:17:55
  Kay Dunning: I found my role.
• 2:17:56
  Kay Dunning: We're we're the wolf and you're a donkey.
• 2:17:59
  Douglas: Yep, yep.
• 2:17:59
  Douglas: There we go.
• 2:18:00
  Douglas: Yep.
• 2:18:01
  Kay Dunning: Oh my goodness.
• 2:18:03
  Douglas: What what are we what are we missing in the K Dunning story that we haven't hit?
• 2:18:07
  Kay Dunning: I I don't know.
• 2:18:09
  Douglas: Other than the letting people know that Lust for Dust is going to be in Haines next summer.
• 2:18:13
  Kay Dunning: Oh, next summer.
• 2:18:14
  Kay Dunning: Oh.
• 2:18:14
  Kay Dunning: Next summer.
• 2:18:14
  Kay Dunning: Boy, you're putting a lot of pressure on me.
• 2:18:17
  Douglas: You got all winter.
• 2:18:18
  Douglas: You got you got like eight months to get this ready.
• 2:18:20
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:18:21
  Kay Dunning: And I'm retired now, right?
• 2:18:22
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:18:22
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, you're retired.
• 2:18:23
  Douglas: You got plenty of time.
• 2:18:25
  Kay Dunning: Ah, what are you missing?
• 2:18:26
  Kay Dunning: I don't.
• 2:18:27
  Kay Dunning: I I can't uh our kids love it up here.
• 2:18:30
  Kay Dunning: They absolutely love coming back up here.
• 2:18:32
  Kay Dunning: Um, Rick considers it more of his hometown than his hometown, I think.
• 2:18:37
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:18:38
  Kay Dunning: And oh, yeah, that's the thing.
• 2:18:40
  Kay Dunning: Rick br uh coming up here and getting into fishing.
• 2:18:44
  Kay Dunning: I grew up I'd never fished, I mean like one time in my life.
• 2:18:50
  Douglas: Uh was that something you're you're doing?
• 2:18:52
  Douglas: My dad didn't my dad didn't he wasn't really into fishing.
• 2:18:54
  Kay Dunning: His dad died when he was six.
• 2:18:56
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:18:56
  Kay Dunning: And so he never um really ex had those experiences.
• 2:19:01
  Kay Dunning: And so coming up here, he I mean, he would take my brother out once in a while.
• 2:19:05
  Kay Dunning: In fact, I found out Norm um Smith had our old boat, the Mike.
• 2:19:10
  Kay Dunning: It was it was a 13-foot skiff.
• 2:19:13
  Kay Dunning: Um for many, many years he had it.
• 2:19:15
  Kay Dunning: He he finally sold it again, but it's still going strong.
• 2:19:18
  Kay Dunning: Um, but he and my my brother would go fishing occasionally, but I I went out one time and I remember Lee Heimiller was in the boat.
• 2:19:26
  Kay Dunning: I'm in the boat, maybe my maybe my brother and me, and we're out on Tokut Lake, and I my dad probably cast for me, and I'm reeling it in, and I get half of a dead rotted spawned-out fish and uh salmon, and I'm like, this is disgusting, I'm never doing it again.
• 2:19:43
  Kay Dunning: And I don't like shrimp, didn't like seafood to eat except for like halibut and crab.
• 2:19:49
  Kay Dunning: Didn't like shrimp, didn't like any of that stuff.
• 2:19:51
  Kay Dunning: I now drive the boat, I get us on the crab spots, I get us in the shrimp spots, and then we uh we sit out in the boat and we take the heads off the shrimp, and then I'm shelling them and stuff like that.
• 2:20:04
  Kay Dunning: I'm fishing the other day, I'm helping clean the fish.
• 2:20:07
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, A, I never thought I would ever be doing that stuff.
• 2:20:11
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, oh Rick, I got some scales on my face.
• 2:20:14
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, you know, me 40 years ago, I'm never, never gonna happen.
• 2:20:19
  Kay Dunning: Again, you never say never.
• 2:20:20
  Kay Dunning: And um I have the utmost respect now for the commercial fishermen.
• 2:20:27
  Kay Dunning: I you know, I didn't appreciate what they do.
• 2:20:30
  Kay Dunning: But just being out on the boat when it's a pretty calm day and it's still rocking, and I'm like, oh, I'm scared.
• 2:20:38
  Kay Dunning: And those guys are going out in some horrible weather, and and the stuff that they're doing to to bring back into us is is amazing.
• 2:20:48
  Kay Dunning: And I I just have a complete new respect and appreciation for what they do.
• 2:20:56
  Douglas: It takes a toll on your body being out there doing that.
• 2:20:58
  Kay Dunning: Oh goodness, yeah, yeah.
• 2:21:00
  Kay Dunning: And and there's a lot of older fishermen out there that they're still doing it, and it's it's like, God bless them, because I like said I had no understanding as a young person.
• 2:21:12
  Kay Dunning: And now that I'm older, and and I never berry picked, I never did any of that stuff.
• 2:21:16
  Douglas: The our friends at No, you didn't even do berry picking?
• 2:21:19
  Kay Dunning: No, my mom never mm-mm, mm-mm.
• 2:21:21
  Kay Dunning: We never went berry picking, never cherry picking, any of that stuff.
• 2:21:24
  Kay Dunning: And you know, we're pro we're putting up stuff, and um some of my friends have tried to teach me how to can.
• 2:21:30
  Kay Dunning: I'm I'm not good at that.
• 2:21:31
  Kay Dunning: But the stuff I'm learning from are.
• 2:21:34
  Douglas: I'm always worried I'm gonna blow something up when I'm canning.
• 2:21:37
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, Melina Shields reminded me the other day.
• 2:21:38
  Kay Dunning: She's like, if you're tired, don't try canning.
• 2:21:40
  Douglas: Yeah, I'm always so worried.
• 2:21:42
  Douglas: I'm just like hovering over that pressure gauge.
• 2:21:44
  Douglas: Watching it, watching, watching and watching it's like, oh man, I'm gonna blow a hole through my roof.
• 2:21:48
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, don't don't go to somebody else that knows how that they're doing.
• 2:21:52
  Douglas: Well, I've done it every time I've done it successfully.
• 2:21:54
  Douglas: Oh, have you?
• 2:21:55
  Douglas: Oh, numerous times.
• 2:21:56
  Douglas: But uh it's I'm a nervous wreck the whole time.
• 2:21:58
  Kay Dunning: I'm always, you know, the the hot water bath and stuff like that.
• 2:22:01
  Kay Dunning: I'm just afraid it's like, well, what if there's bacteria that I didn't get out of it?
• 2:22:05
  Kay Dunning: And you know, what if I give so many food poisoning from this?
• 2:22:09
  Kay Dunning: But um, yeah, the stuff I've learned since we've been coming back just in the last, you know, five, eight years.
• 2:22:16
  Kay Dunning: I'm so appreciative of of the people that are willing to teach.
• 2:22:21
  Kay Dunning: Um teach me, teach Rick.
• 2:22:25
  Douglas: Pretty much anything you want to learn about living in Haines, you can find somebody that'll teach and help you do it better.
• 2:22:30
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:22:31
  Kay Dunning: And and everybody has different ways of doing things, and so you kinda you kinda it's like a recipe, you know.
• 2:22:37
  Kay Dunning: You've got this recipe, you get well, I'm gonna kinda merge them and stuff like that.
• 2:22:40
  Kay Dunning: But I just it just has given me such a new appreciation coming back here.
• 2:22:46
  Kay Dunning: And I I truly I always dread the trip up, but once I'm here, um, like you know, we're leaving in in a week and a half, and uh neither one of us are ready to leave.
• 2:22:56
  Kay Dunning: But yeah, we we we love coming back here because we might have left, but you never fully leave, you know.
• 2:23:03
  Kay Dunning: It's it's it's always home.
• 2:23:05
  Douglas: So I'm kinda surprised you're leaving early because Rick seemed to enjoy coho fishing last fall.
• 2:23:10
  Kay Dunning: He's coming back for it.
• 2:23:11
  Kay Dunning: Oh, he's gonna come back.
• 2:23:11
  Kay Dunning: He's coming back for it, yeah.
• 2:23:13
  Kay Dunning: And the this is the only reason we go early like this.
• 2:23:18
  Kay Dunning: Well, it was because of work originally.
• 2:23:20
  Kay Dunning: Um, but um our son and daughter-in-law um take the grandkids to the fair with her family, and that's been a family tradition on our daughter-in-law's side for years and years and years, and we're like, well, we'd really like to be part of that tradition.
• 2:23:34
  Kay Dunning: So we go back for Go back so you go to the fair.
• 2:23:37
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:23:37
  Douglas: That's a good reason to go back.
• 2:23:38
  Kay Dunning: It really is.
• 2:23:39
  Kay Dunning: This year we missed it though, because they're going the day before we get back, and it's like, oh, that was bad timing on my part.
• 2:23:46
  Kay Dunning: So but uh yeah, Rick's coming up in October um again to go fishing.
• 2:23:50
  Douglas: So you're not gonna come help them out?
• 2:23:53
  Kay Dunning: I'm I don't know.
• 2:23:54
  Kay Dunning: We just built our new house and we've only been in it five weeks, and so I might be working on some projects there.
• 2:24:00
  Kay Dunning: I don't know.
• 2:24:01
  Kay Dunning: We bring our cats up every year, you know.
• 2:24:03
  Kay Dunning: Um and this is their fifth summer coming up, but we don't bring them in the fall, but we have somebody house sit for us for a week or two, so I might do that, but we'll see.
• 2:24:13
  Kay Dunning: All right.
• 2:24:14
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:24:14
  Kay Dunning: So this this is home.
• 2:24:16
  Kay Dunning: This is always home.
• 2:24:20
  Douglas: Was it was it always home?
• 2:24:22
  Douglas: Were you were you thinking that when I was out of here at 18?
• 2:24:25
  Kay Dunning: I'm out.
• 2:24:25
  Douglas: I know, but they had like 3040.
• 2:24:27
  Douglas: Were you thinking it'd be nice to when we retire to spend time at Haines?
• 2:24:31
  Douglas: Or is this just kind of a recent thing after you started spending a little more time in the summer that I think it's more recent.
• 2:24:37
  Kay Dunning: I think it's more recent as we uh yeah, in the last ten, ten years or so.
• 2:24:42
  Douglas: As we've started fixing up the place and is is is some of that maybe just kind of keeping that bond to mom and dad in a way, maybe, or maybe a little bit, but I think more of it's that you know, I mean, look at you and me.
• 2:24:55
  Kay Dunning: We didn't know each other in school.
• 2:24:56
  Douglas: No.
• 2:24:57
  Kay Dunning: And I I really enjoy coming in and seeing you each year.
• 2:25:00
  Kay Dunning: And and Al Badgley, I didn't know Al when I was in school or when I left, because we left 40 years ago.
• 2:25:06
  Kay Dunning: And people have been here 30 years.
• 2:25:08
  Kay Dunning: I'm like, huh.
• 2:25:09
  Kay Dunning: I don't know it yet.
• 2:25:10
  Kay Dunning: Um, but it it's uh it's been more recent, I think.
• 2:25:16
  Kay Dunning: Like I said, since we've been fixing up the house and just having that connection to people in town.
• 2:25:22
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, there's there is a connection with our mom and with my mom and dad.
• 2:25:26
  Kay Dunning: Um, a little bit, you know, we we volunteer the um Legion at the burder feed.
• 2:25:30
  Kay Dunning: But that's kind of because it it draws me closer, draws right closer to them.
• 2:25:36
  Kay Dunning: But um everything else, it's it's because of the people that we've gotten to know as adults, and it's really nice.
• 2:25:44
  Kay Dunning: People that maybe my parents didn't get along with necessarily, or they had different uh different views.
• 2:25:50
  Kay Dunning: Um we get along with great, and and we we have our circle seems bigger and stuff like that, partly because we aren't here to vote.
• 2:26:01
  Kay Dunning: So we don't have any political bias one way or the other.
• 2:26:06
  Kay Dunning: So I think that makes it kind of nice, but but yeah, it's it's the people that we've connected with now.
• 2:26:13
  Kay Dunning: Um and whether there's a connection to my parents or not, you know, it's um new people and old people.
• 2:26:18
  Kay Dunning: I just every year we meet some new people and it's just wonderful.
• 2:26:22
  Kay Dunning: I I met Anne Marie Palmeri yesterday.
• 2:26:25
  Kay Dunning: I've seen her name in the paper for years, she's been here 30 years, and she was so sweet, said nice things about my mom and dad, but I'd never met her, and it's like, oh, this is really cool.
• 2:26:36
  Kay Dunning: I get to meet you now.
• 2:26:37
  Kay Dunning: You know, and and the people over at the uh exercise class that I do.
• 2:26:42
  Kay Dunning: Uh a lot of them are older, but um I like feeling like I'm one of the younger people.
• 2:26:47
  Kay Dunning: They're they are in better shape than I am by far.
• 2:26:50
  Kay Dunning: And uh I just it's been lovely just meeting so many new people.
• 2:26:55
  Douglas: I've always kind of circling back to us not knowing each other really when we were younger.
• 2:26:59
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:27:00
  Douglas: It always felt to me that anybody that was that I wasn't in high school with, yeah.
• 2:27:05
  Douglas: You know, you got that group that's either three years ahead of you or three years behind you that you share those four years of high school with.
• 2:27:11
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:27:12
  Douglas: And it's kind of like those are my peers.
• 2:27:14
  Douglas: But you were, I think, just a year ahead of me.
• 2:27:18
  Douglas: You graduated in eighty three.
• 2:27:20
  Douglas: Three.
• 2:27:21
  Douglas: So you're two years ahead of me.
• 2:27:22
  Douglas: Because I graduated No.
• 2:27:24
  Douglas: Yeah, it was well, five years ago.
• 2:27:25
  Kay Dunning: No, Sarah was a freshman when I was a freshman year.
• 2:27:28
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:27:29
  Douglas: So it's I meant when I say two years, because I started in 84.
• 2:27:33
  Douglas: Oh, I see what you mean.
• 2:27:34
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:27:35
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:27:36
  Douglas: So but looking at that, that's not that big of a the the older I get, it's like, that's really isn't that she's really not that much older than I am.
• 2:27:44
  Douglas: Um, and with a lot of not just you, but a lot of people come back to town that I have really good conversations with now and then they catch up and stuff.
• 2:27:52
  Douglas: And it's like, I hardly speak, I I don't I hardly spoke to these people in my whole time.
• 2:27:56
  Douglas: You didn't know, yeah, you didn't know.
• 2:27:57
  Douglas: And now they come back and I'm having these really cool conversations with them.
• 2:28:00
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:28:01
  Douglas: And it's it's it's nice to have those connections and those conversations.
• 2:28:05
  Douglas: Because we had this we all experienced a lot of the same stuff.
• 2:28:09
  Kay Dunning: Right.
• 2:28:09
  Douglas: We just did it at different stages in our life when we were experiencing it.
• 2:28:12
  Kay Dunning: Exactly.
• 2:28:13
  Kay Dunning: Well, that's you know, I I um hang out in the fort and stuff like that, and and a lot of those people were my babysitters.
• 2:28:19
  Kay Dunning: But we're great friends now, you know.
• 2:28:22
  Kay Dunning: It's it's wonderful.
• 2:28:23
  Kay Dunning: It's wonderful.
• 2:28:24
  Kay Dunning: So um, that's one more thing I I forgot that we used to do too, and I don't know if your family ever did this, was um did you ever do um like the traveling potluck dinners?
• 2:28:36
  Kay Dunning: So for Thanksgiving, I think we were usually up at the Greg's house, but for Christmas we would have a traveling dinner.
• 2:28:44
  Douglas: Okay.
• 2:28:44
  Kay Dunning: And um we would go up to Vera Smith.
• 2:28:47
  Kay Dunning: Do you remember her?
• 2:28:48
  Kay Dunning: She was my godmother.
• 2:28:50
  Kay Dunning: And so we would go up to her house for um French onion soup.
• 2:28:54
  Kay Dunning: She made the best French onion soup.
• 2:28:56
  Kay Dunning: And then we would um go to uh Ted and Mimi's house for uh the main dish usually.
• 2:29:02
  Kay Dunning: And then sometimes dessert was at our place, and sometimes it was at um a lot of times it was at Allie and Marty Cortis's house.
• 2:29:10
  Kay Dunning: Um but I remember one year Ted arranged, Ted Greg arranged I and it I was pretty little, so my memory may not be right, but a um a sleigh that I remember going in front of the uh barracks buildings in this sleigh that he had gotten, and we were all bundled in there.
• 2:29:29
  Kay Dunning: Did he have horses pulling it or I don't remember what was pulling?
• 2:29:32
  Kay Dunning: It could have been a snowmobile.
• 2:29:33
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I don't remember for sure what was pulling it.
• 2:29:36
  Kay Dunning: I don't think it was horses, but um oh that'd be cool as heck.
• 2:29:39
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, and I don't remember I I've kind of talked with Annette about it a little bit, and I don't know if if she I think she remembers remembers something, but I I I can't remember what what it was.
• 2:29:51
  Kay Dunning: But yeah, I just have this vision of us going by the um the barracks buildings in the snow at Christmas time, and it was just so much fun.
• 2:29:58
  Kay Dunning: And um, and I was the I was the youngest out of that group by a long ways because they were my babysitters.
• 2:30:04
  Kay Dunning: But um, we would play spoons, and you know that game spoons, um after uh dinner, and they would Ted Mimi had a uh a bar there, and so whoever lost had to drink whatever concoction, not alcoholic, um whatever concoction they would make up.
• 2:30:24
  Kay Dunning: Well, I'm the youngest, and I lost all the time.
• 2:30:27
  Kay Dunning: I don't know what I was drinking, but it was a lot of yeah, it was really yucky stuff.
• 2:30:34
  Kay Dunning: So I remember one time too, my brother um, we were down in the uh basement, and I don't know if you know this, but they have the pool table that Soapy Smith um really yeah, died on.
• 2:30:46
  Kay Dunning: I d was it Soapy?
• 2:30:49
  Kay Dunning: It was yes, it was, yeah.
• 2:30:50
  Kay Dunning: Really?
• 2:30:51
  Kay Dunning: I didn't know that.
• 2:30:52
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 2:30:53
  Kay Dunning: Um and so that's all badass.
• 2:30:55
  Kay Dunning: I'm 99% sure it's Sophie Smith and not the good guy.
• 2:30:58
  Kay Dunning: I can't remember what was the who was the who the good guy was, um the guy that shot him.
• 2:31:03
  Douglas: I don't remember the good guys, we always remember the bad guys.
• 2:31:06
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, well, i i it I I know it it's it's the one that Sophie Smith um died on.
• 2:31:10
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:31:11
  Kay Dunning: And so that pool table is I don't know how they got it down there.
• 2:31:14
  Kay Dunning: Because have you ever have you ever been down in the I've been in one of the basements over there, yeah.
• 2:31:17
  Douglas: I don't know how you get a pool table down there either.
• 2:31:19
  Kay Dunning: Stone walls, yeah.
• 2:31:20
  Kay Dunning: And so they've got it down there, and um there was really no clearance around the thing.
• 2:31:27
  Kay Dunning: And my I was standing back in the corner and my my brother was shooting, and he he pulled back, and it was my first black eye I ever got.
• 2:31:35
  Kay Dunning: He stick right in my eye.
• 2:31:38
  Kay Dunning: It was like, okay.
• 2:31:40
  Kay Dunning: But yeah, a lot of a lot of fun uh Christmases, I remember.
• 2:31:44
  Kay Dunning: So and a lot of they were always snowy, they were always pretty and snowy and yeah.
• 2:31:51
  Douglas: I remember a lot of snowy Christmas.
• 2:31:52
  Douglas: So there's a couple in high school that seemed like it just snowed like the day before Christmas.
• 2:31:56
  Douglas: That there were some there tourists.
• 2:31:58
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, it's just beautiful.
• 2:31:59
  Kay Dunning: Always and uh do uh are you old enough to remember um Do you remember the the bank used to have um competitions to this?
• 2:32:10
  Kay Dunning: It doesn't have to do with Christmas, it has uh other holidays.
• 2:32:12
  Kay Dunning: But um kids would draw pictures um for Halloween and the winning picture from like the class or whatever we got to choose who was winning picture would paint it on the business business windows.
• 2:32:24
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 2:32:25
  Kay Dunning: I remember getting to Trudy won one year and um and we painted it at Bell Store.
• 2:32:31
  Douglas: Okay.
• 2:32:31
  Kay Dunning: And then do you remember the Easter egg um contest?
• 2:32:35
  Douglas: Yes, the little basketball front of the bank and you have all the different eggs.
• 2:32:40
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, do they still do stuff in the world?
• 2:32:42
  Douglas: I don't think they've done that in years.
• 2:32:43
  Kay Dunning: I think the chamber the chamber should do stuff like that.
• 2:32:46
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, you know, bring have different age divisions and stuff.
• 2:32:49
  Douglas: And just some of the things that you were talking about, like with the sleigh and everything, when you're talking about that, it seems there's all sorts of different things that when we're kids.
• 2:32:56
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:32:57
  Douglas: It seems like such a group of just ingenious people looking at all these cool things to make happen.
• 2:33:02
  Kay Dunning: Yes.
• 2:33:03
  Douglas: And I know there's still that talent level here.
• 2:33:05
  Kay Dunning: Oh heavens, yeah.
• 2:33:06
  Douglas: But it doesn't some of that stuff it doesn't maybe it's happening, I'm just stuck in my own little world and not seeing it.
• 2:33:12
  Kay Dunning: Well, you're not willing to change diapers, so you know there's I'm available for fun stuff, okay?
• 2:33:18
  Douglas: But uh you know, it was fun to do the Christmas or the Easter egg thing.
• 2:33:22
  Douglas: It was the to see all the the paintings in the windows for Halloween and stuff, and so there's there's different things that they'd be there for a little bit and then they'd go or they're there for a long time, and then whether it's interest waned or whatever.
• 2:33:35
  Douglas: I but there we were we were talking about that last year during the uh Independence Day celebration.
• 2:33:41
  Douglas: It's like yeah, we used to have the bed races going through all the different things that we had is that when we're kids, like, man, that'd be really cool.
• 2:33:47
  Douglas: And and that's Bryson Tyler's like, we need to have a hot dog eating contest.
• 2:33:50
  Douglas: So that's that's why we had the hot dog eating contest this year.
• 2:33:53
  Kay Dunning: I still want to get the bed races going back because that was that would be fantastic.
• 2:33:58
  Douglas: First time I always had the bed.
• 2:33:59
  Douglas: Races are great until I competed in it.
• 2:34:02
  Kay Dunning: Oh.
• 2:34:02
  Kay Dunning: Oh.
• 2:34:03
  Douglas: And then you start at Third Avenue, you go to sixth, and then you come back to third.
• 2:34:10
  Kay Dunning: Which way is sixth?
• 2:34:11
  Kay Dunning: That way.
• 2:34:12
  Douglas: Oh, it was fine.
• 2:34:14
  Kay Dunning: I thought they went down the hill.
• 2:34:15
  Douglas: No.
• 2:34:16
  Douglas: Oh.
• 2:34:16
  Douglas: No, you start at Heisler's Corner.
• 2:34:18
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 2:34:19
  Douglas: So Talia's Treasures.
• 2:34:20
  Douglas: Yep.
• 2:34:20
  Douglas: And you go down to by the Elks, where it used to be the Elks, now Thor's.
• 2:34:24
  Douglas: You go to that intersection at six.
• 2:34:25
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:34:25
  Douglas: And you come back.
• 2:34:26
  Douglas: I was thinking, this is a no-brainer.
• 2:34:28
  Douglas: I think it was one year at this either my between my junior and senior year, between my senior year and freshman year in college, Erwin Hurts is like, hey, we don't have enough bed race people for the bed race.
• 2:34:39
  Douglas: You guys need to because we're hanging out.
• 2:34:41
  Kay Dunning: Four o'clock in the you gotta go be there at four o'clock.
• 2:34:44
  Douglas: Well, it's I think it was because we're always hanging out, Jesse Hurts, Mary Hurts, you know, Kurt and Carl, and there's a group of us that are always hanging out, Grant Williams.
• 2:34:51
  Douglas: And so he's like, I've got a bed if you guys want to do it.
• 2:34:54
  Douglas: Perfect.
• 2:34:55
  Douglas: I can't remember who is pushing.
• 2:34:56
  Douglas: Jesse was on the running it.
• 2:34:58
  Douglas: Well, the you think when you're that age that you're in good shape year-round.
• 2:35:04
  Douglas: But this is after the summer, you're sprinting.
• 2:35:08
  Kay Dunning: Pushing a bed.
• 2:35:09
  Douglas: Yeah, it's downhill going that way.
• 2:35:12
  Kay Dunning: Oh.
• 2:35:12
  Kay Dunning: It's uphill.
• 2:35:13
  Kay Dunning: I guess you never really think about it.
• 2:35:15
  Douglas: You never think about that until you're racing and pushing a bed.
• 2:35:18
  Douglas: And it's uphill coming back.
• 2:35:21
  Douglas: Oh my gosh, my legs and lungs have never burnt so much.
• 2:35:25
  Kay Dunning: Did you win?
• 2:35:26
  Douglas: No, I don't I can't remember.
• 2:35:27
  Douglas: We might have.
• 2:35:28
  Douglas: I can't remember.
• 2:35:29
  Douglas: I just remember that I never wanted to do that again.
• 2:35:32
  Douglas: At the end, but ever since then, I was like, that'd be really fun.
• 2:35:35
  Douglas: We need to do that again, and I need to be driving.
• 2:35:38
  Kay Dunning: So did did some people sit on the bed?
• 2:35:42
  Douglas: You had one person sitting on the bed to steer.
• 2:35:44
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 2:35:46
  Douglas: Because they had it set up so you could steer.
• 2:35:47
  Douglas: And then you had four people pushing on the back.
• 2:35:50
  Douglas: And so you'd have a bed set up, kind of they'd usually weld them together, got your wheels, you got a push bar on the back of it, and when they said go, you're trying to get in front of her because there's a cone at the end.
• 2:36:00
  Douglas: And so you're three, four wide on the street, and you gotta get down there and you gotta turn, and so you gotta be fast enough to get in front of the other people, and then coming back.
• 2:36:09
  Kay Dunning: Could you have an air mattress bed?
• 2:36:11
  Kay Dunning: Could that be?
• 2:36:12
  Douglas: Well, you gotta have wheels under it, Kay.
• 2:36:14
  Kay Dunning: I know a dolly.
• 2:36:16
  Douglas: There wasn't really a mattress on the bed.
• 2:36:18
  Douglas: It just had to be like a bed frame, and you had something.
• 2:36:20
  Kay Dunning: Oh, okay.
• 2:36:21
  Douglas: It's not a full bed, as I recall.
• 2:36:24
  Kay Dunning: Hmm.
• 2:36:24
  Kay Dunning: But this next uh next 4th of July.
• 2:36:27
  Kay Dunning: Next fourth of July, this next summer is gonna be a real blowout around the room.
• 2:36:31
  Douglas: There's gonna be a lot of stuff happening.
• 2:36:32
  Douglas: You're gonna be busy making all this happen.
• 2:36:36
  Kay Dunning: No, we'll get we'll get Susie Waterhouse on that one.
• 2:36:40
  Douglas: But I was talking about I I don't know if we'd get enough people to do it, but it'd be fun to do the business.
• 2:36:45
  Kay Dunning: You don't think we get enough people you oh in this town?
• 2:36:47
  Douglas: Well, it it stopped for a reason.
• 2:36:49
  Douglas: They stopped doing it for a reason.
• 2:36:53
  Douglas: And it's probably because not enough people want to do it.
• 2:36:55
  Douglas: I don't know.
• 2:36:55
  Kay Dunning: Maybe if we bring it back, do you think if I think people would be willing to do it in a heartbeat.
• 2:37:00
  Kay Dunning: Fourth of July, probably not the fair one, but the fourth of July.
• 2:37:03
  Douglas: Yeah, for the 4th of July.
• 2:37:04
  Kay Dunning: Oh yeah.
• 2:37:05
  Kay Dunning: Oh yeah.
• 2:37:06
  Douglas: Bring that back.
• 2:37:07
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:37:07
  Douglas: I'll see if I can have some friends weld up some bed frames for us for this next year.
• 2:37:11
  Douglas: Maybe if we provided the bed frames.
• 2:37:13
  Douglas: Oh yeah.
• 2:37:14
  Douglas: They just had to provide the teams.
• 2:37:16
  Kay Dunning: That would be a good thing.
• 2:37:16
  Douglas: They just had to provide the pushers so they didn't have to build a bed racing bed.
• 2:37:21
  Kay Dunning: And you'd have like four of them.
• 2:37:22
  Kay Dunning: Five.
• 2:37:24
  Douglas: I think three or four.
• 2:37:26
  Kay Dunning: You know, they're wanting people to take stuff out from the uh recycling plant for them.
• 2:37:30
  Douglas: From the recycling plant.
• 2:37:31
  Douglas: So they don't have to move it all.
• 2:37:32
  Douglas: Yeah, see if they've got any bed frames out there and get those set up.
• 2:37:35
  Kay Dunning: Somebody left them a mattress the other day.
• 2:37:38
  Douglas: So figure out the rules for that.
• 2:37:40
  Douglas: I'm gonna have to get in touch with Stony Hertz because his dad always ran that.
• 2:37:44
  Douglas: See if he remembers the rules for it.
• 2:37:45
  Douglas: I bet you he'd get in touch with Stony.
• 2:37:49
  Kay Dunning: He could help with the weld.
• 2:37:50
  Kay Dunning: Get Randy Sykes to help welding, you know.
• 2:37:52
  Douglas: Well, but then the other thing is if I put a team in it, do I want to get like lightweight aluminum for one of them and everybody else has things?
• 2:37:59
  Kay Dunning: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:38:01
  Douglas: Marty's like, yeah.
• 2:38:02
  Douglas: Yeah, that's I want to build a bed myself.
• 2:38:05
  Douglas: Do you trust him?
• 2:38:08
  Kay Dunning: How much do you trust in the building?
• 2:38:10
  Douglas: I know some people that got some experience with carbon fiber.
• 2:38:12
  Douglas: That's the bed I'm pushing.
• 2:38:17
  Kay Dunning: Huh.
• 2:38:17
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:38:18
  Kay Dunning: No, no conflict of interest there whatsoever.
• 2:38:21
  Douglas: No conflict of interest, none at all.
• 2:38:23
  Douglas: So in that case, build your own bed, figure out whatever you want to do with it.
• 2:38:30
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:38:31
  Douglas: If if you know somebody that can build stuff out of carbon fiber or something like that, you got a friend that works at Boeing.
• 2:38:37
  Douglas: Can that's expensive stuff, but uh well, but if you if you want, if you wanna, if that's where you want to spend your money, then you know, so be it.
• 2:38:46
  Douglas: Then so be it.
• 2:38:47
  Kay Dunning: The prize is only $50.
• 2:38:49
  Douglas: The prize ain't gonna cover the price of the bed.
• 2:38:51
  Douglas: There's no way that's gonna happen.
• 2:38:53
  Kay Dunning: That bed's gonna last forever.
• 2:38:55
  Douglas: But the bragging rights of being the bed race winner of the 2027 Haines Independence Day celebration.
• 2:39:03
  Kay Dunning: I like that idea.
• 2:39:04
  Douglas: That's gotta be worth it.
• 2:39:06
  Kay Dunning: Could you also repurpose it and put like a target on the back of the frame and then have the um fire hoses shoot the bed down the street?
• 2:39:16
  Douglas: I got one better.
• 2:39:18
  Douglas: You put two people on there, one's the driver, one's the gunner, and they've got the super soaker squirt guns.
• 2:39:27
  Kay Dunning: Shooting at each other, squirting at each other.
• 2:39:29
  Kay Dunning: Love it.
• 2:39:31
  Kay Dunning: You can start carrying the code.
• 2:39:33
  Douglas: Or the crowd.
• 2:39:34
  Kay Dunning: Oh they could shoot whoever they want.
• 2:39:37
  Douglas: Maybe the crowd wants to shoot back.
• 2:39:39
  Kay Dunning: That's true.
• 2:39:39
  Kay Dunning: That's true.
• 2:39:40
  Kay Dunning: You know, it was pretty warm this year.
• 2:39:42
  Douglas: It was really warm this year for 4th of July.
• 2:39:45
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:39:45
  Kay Dunning: Oh, I like that.
• 2:39:46
  Kay Dunning: And you could do it again in the winter on the ice, you know.
• 2:39:49
  Kay Dunning: There you go.
• 2:39:50
  Douglas: You put skis on it, put skis on there and have to throw snowballs at them.
• 2:39:54
  Kay Dunning: Oh, a ski bed race.
• 2:39:55
  Kay Dunning: Ski bed race.
• 2:39:56
  Kay Dunning: Oh, that would be kind of cool.
• 2:39:58
  Douglas: Don't you guys feel like you're not gonna have enough time to be in Minnesota?
• 2:40:01
  Douglas: You should just sell that house.
• 2:40:03
  Douglas: Come up here.
• 2:40:04
  Douglas: You've got so many things.
• 2:40:05
  Douglas: Exactly.
• 2:40:08
  Douglas: You come up here, you've got so many things to coordinate.
• 2:40:12
  Douglas: This is your new energy, right?
• 2:40:14
  Douglas: This is your mom manifesting herself with you with all the things she does.
• 2:40:19
  Kay Dunning: I don't think my mom would ever be running or manifesting or running something.
• 2:40:23
  Douglas: But she gave back to the community, she was volunteering all the time.
• 2:40:25
  Douglas: Yeah.
• 2:40:26
  Douglas: And this is a way to carry on that tradition in a different way, Kay.
• 2:40:29
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:40:30
  Douglas: I have faith in you to make it happen.
• 2:40:34
  Kay Dunning: How about you, Marty?
• 2:40:35
  Kay Dunning: You think, yeah.
• 2:40:36
  Douglas: She's the first, she's she's the one, right?
• 2:40:38
  Douglas: That's we've been waiting for Kay to come back and take care of this stuff for us.
• 2:40:43
  Kay Dunning: It's just Rick.
• 2:40:43
  Kay Dunning: It's all Rick.
• 2:40:44
  Kay Dunning: We'll we'll put him on it.
• 2:40:46
  Douglas: How you delegate that labor within your household.
• 2:40:48
  Kay Dunning: You've been falling told is 100%.
• 2:40:52
  Douglas: Is 100% up to you.
• 2:40:53
  Douglas: But I just know you're the leader that we need for these activities to take place.
• 2:40:58
  Kay Dunning: There we go.
• 2:40:58
  Kay Dunning: There we go.
• 2:40:59
  Kay Dunning: Wow, I know you got some pretty good ones.
• 2:41:00
  Kay Dunning: I'll talk to the I'll throw the ideas out to the current leaders.
• 2:41:04
  Douglas: To the current leaders and see.
• 2:41:05
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:41:06
  Douglas: Again, how you make this happen, Kay, doesn't matter.
• 2:41:10
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:41:11
  Douglas: Just the fact that it happens.
• 2:41:13
  Douglas: When it happens, I'm giving you 100% credit.
• 2:41:16
  Kay Dunning: A lot of pressure.
• 2:41:17
  Douglas: Doesn't matter, doesn't matter how you make it happen.
• 2:41:20
  Douglas: Any of these things happen, it's all you.
• 2:41:23
  Kay Dunning: Okay.
• 2:41:23
  Kay Dunning: There we go.
• 2:41:24
  Kay Dunning: I'm on it.
• 2:41:26
  Kay Dunning: That's one of my grandson says.
• 2:41:27
  Kay Dunning: So that's I'm on it, Grandma.
• 2:41:30
  Douglas: He's lightweight enough, he could steer one of the beds.
• 2:41:33
  Kay Dunning: Oh, that's all I need, yeah.
• 2:41:34
  Douglas: See, get Louie up here to steer the bed in the race.
• 2:41:38
  Douglas: Do you know make this a family affair?
• 2:41:41
  Kay Dunning: He likes to drive the boat, and you know what he says?
• 2:41:43
  Kay Dunning: I'll go fast, Grandma.
• 2:41:44
  Kay Dunning: I'll go fast.
• 2:41:45
  Douglas: See?
• 2:41:45
  Douglas: That's a he's a race car.
• 2:41:47
  Douglas: He's ready to race already.
• 2:41:49
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:41:50
  Kay Dunning: Well we'll get him a little helmet and he's gonna go.
• 2:41:53
  Douglas: He's golden, good to go.
• 2:41:55
  Douglas: I like it.
• 2:41:56
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 2:41:56
  Douglas: See, you did not know you had these resources until we started talking about this.
• 2:42:00
  Douglas: Oh, yeah.
• 2:42:00
  Douglas: You're like 90% there.
• 2:42:02
  Kay Dunning: And this is that's some stuff that my son would do, you know.
• 2:42:08
  Douglas: I'm just saying, you just gotta change their schedule for when they come up.
• 2:42:11
  Douglas: Have them here for the fourth.
• 2:42:13
  Kay Dunning: Yep.
• 2:42:13
  Kay Dunning: So they can be up here earlier.
• 2:42:15
  Douglas: Yep.
• 2:42:16
  Kay Dunning: Participate.
• 2:42:16
  Kay Dunning: Yeah.
• 2:42:17
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, Doug.
• 2:42:20
  Kay Dunning: Thanks.
• 2:42:23
  Douglas: I'm glad I've got your next year schedule for you, Kay.
• 2:42:25
  Douglas: Thank you.
• 2:42:26
  Douglas: Yes, you're welcome for that.
• 2:42:27
  Douglas: You'll be I know people going into retirement sometimes are a little apprehensive about what they're gonna do next.
• 2:42:34
  Kay Dunning: Yeah, I don't I now you know.
• 2:42:36
  Kay Dunning: And there we go.
• 2:42:37
  Kay Dunning: Now I know.
• 2:42:38
  Douglas: Now you know.
• 2:42:39
  Douglas: Yep.
• 2:42:40
  Douglas: Well, thank you, Kay.
• 2:42:43
  Kay Dunning: Doug, thank you so much.
• 2:42:44
  Douglas: It's been a lot of fun, and uh I appreciate you.
• 2:42:47
  Douglas: I I at first you didn't want to do this.
• 2:42:49
  Kay Dunning: I was nervous about coming over.
• 2:42:50
  Douglas: I hope, I hope you it was a lot of fun.
• 2:42:52
  Douglas: It really was.
• 2:42:54
  Kay Dunning: It was so much fun.
• 2:42:54
  Kay Dunning: Thank you so much for having me.
• 2:42:56
  Douglas: You bet.
• 2:42:56
  Douglas: And take care, and I'll look forward to next year's Fourth of July celebration.
• 2:43:00
  Kay Dunning: I can't wait to hear you do Sam McGee.
• 2:43:04
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• 2:43:07
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• 2:43:12
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• 2:43:17
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