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Weekend Recap, Scott Dochterman talks College Football · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Alright, good afternoon. Welcome, Miller and Condon as we
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kick off our week here on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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Trent Condon and Ken Miller for the next two hours talking
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sports with you. Thank you for starting your
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afternoon with us. Here's what's coming up on our
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program at the bottom of the hour.
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Scott Dockerman's going to join us.
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He covers college football for The Athletic.
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We'll take a look ahead to what certainly seems, at least on
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paper, to be a very fun weekend. The 1st 2 for sure.
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We'll see if the two dogs are barking in the later games.
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We'll get in the first round, the College Football Playoffs.
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Pick Doc's brain on that college football topic as well as others
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coming up here at the bottom of the hour.
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Get a sneak peek at Vanderbilt in Iowa with doc that's 1230
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Bill Seals covers Iowa State for cyclonereport.com, part of the
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on three media network. He will join us to kick off our
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number 2 football and a basketball, both men's and
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women's with bill coming up here at at one O clock.
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And then Nick Athan he's Chiefs blitz.com.
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That's his website, that's his podcast.
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Different time for chiefs fans with three weeks left in the
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regular season. They have been eliminated first
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time since 2000 and what, 14 I think it was since they didn't
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make the playoffs. I should feel happy.
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I don't. I hate the way Patrick Mahomes
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left the field. I do.
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I mean, this guy's a phenomenal player, maybe the face of the
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league for the last decade. He's in that rarefied error and
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you just hate to see it. But anyways, they are out and
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we'll talk NFL and probably a lot of it here in the first
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segment of the program. Fun day in the NFL yesterday, 2
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quarterbacks, much malign, Moe Knicks being one of them, JJ
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McCarthy being the other. Both of those QB's had really
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productive days. Both of those teams LED their
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both those QB's LED their teams to victory.
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So we'll get into that. What else?
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We got the Heisman. Diego Pavia, he's a punk.
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There's just no getting around it.
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There's no getting around it. The country is going to be
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rooting for the Iowa Hawkeyes when they match up in Tampa on
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the 31st of December. That's 11:00 kick.
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Did you say 11:00 in the morning our time?
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I would have to look again. I think it is.
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I think it's early. In fact, I've got it right here
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in front of me. It's 11:00 on ESPN, Iowa,
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Vanderbilt and yeah, have you finished 2nd and promptly told
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the voters to F off? Remember those yours that it was
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a 10 AM central kick off for the Outback Bowl.
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There was one that kicked early. Was it?
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Was it that one? Or was it the game?
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It was that one. Was it that?
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One, it was that one because I made one of those.
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And even 11 AM on New Year's Day, after a night of inviting
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on New Year's Eve, it was a difficult wake up call.
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To get there, Tampa for two of them.
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Yeah, I was in Tampa for two of them.
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They were fun. They were fun in the press box.
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They they they gave you a the bloom and onion.
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OK, yes. And what was the other thing?
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That they were big? On that's the one that was the
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most famous. It was that or the coconut
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shrimp. That's right.
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I think half the media got coconut shrimp.
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Half the media was served at anyways.
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Nobody cares about that, but that's what how I remember.
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'Cause it's not an Outback anymore.
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No, I know. Nobody get get for Relia quest.
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I have no idea what it is. Is it an insurance company?
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Sounds like it could be. I don't think it is an.
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Internet firm? Maybe a Bitcoin?
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How many of the bowl game sponsors do you actually know
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what they do? That's a great question.
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Half. Oh, that's a really good, well,
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Pop Tarts. That's an easy one.
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Right. Yeah, the military, yes.
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Yeah, a first responder. Guaranteed rates got to be a
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banking thing. I think that's a mortgage.
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Company, mortgage company. OK.
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And the ones that are named after the cities, I mean the
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Idaho potatoes. Pretty straightforward.
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Yes, that. That's a good one.
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Yeah, what are what are we missing?
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Music City? Alamo Independence.
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Chick-fil-A. Peach Bowl.
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OK, we got Chick-fil-A. We know Chick-fil-A.
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Yeah, yeah. We can knock that one out.
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That's actually what Jack wanted yesterday after his wrestling
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tournament. But he couldn't get one because
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it was closed on Sunday. It was Sunday.
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He was Sunday. Yeah.
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So a lot of them have the name, like the Holiday Bowl, but then
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they tag a sponsor to it. And I'm not sure that you know
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that. Yeah, you're right.
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Probably couldn't name very many of them. 68 ventures.
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What's that? The Xbox bowl?
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OK, I know. What?
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An Xbox What? Bowl is that.
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That's Missouri State and Arkansas State.
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The one played in Frisco. That'll be Thursday.
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Thursday evening get to see most state former Missouri Valley
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Football Conference program that wasn't very good.
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They are in a bowl game. Yeah, these these next three
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nights are rough, let's be honest.
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You're not excited for? It no, I'm not excited for
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Jacksonville state, Troy Old Dominion S maybe that One South
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Florida, Delaware, Louisiana Lafiette most state, Arkansas
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State. Now I think I'll pass because
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Thursday night might be the game of the year in the NFL.
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It might be as big a game as we've had in the NFL.
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One of these teams is going to be be the one seed.
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The other team would fall to the five seed and that's assuming
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San Francisco doesn't take it from a right there right there
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on the cusp as well. Didn't see any of the locals
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play basketball yesterday. You did.
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I didn't. I couldn't watch them.
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I had the Iowa game on at one of the TV's yesterday. 1 by 40.
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Yeah. It was didn't play 25 minutes.
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Yes, finally got a little bit of rest, which is a good thing.
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So watch the first half of that. And then I fell asleep.
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Did you? Yeah.
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That bad? That boring.
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It was halftime. Bears were up 31, three and we
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had a late Christmas night and then I had to get up early for
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Jack's wrestling. Tournament which he won his
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class. Well, he did well.
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I saw him on the podium. Yes.
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Yeah. And they had a one under him.
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Yep. Absolutely.
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He was standing higher than the two beside him so I just assumed
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he won it. In his first real tournament,
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Yep, he won more matches than I did in my wrestling.
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Career. Is that right?
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He had his raise hand his his arm raised twice.
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I did once in my career, 1 to 23 on the wrestling mat for old
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pops. He's 2 and O2 and O had some
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fun. Now he's so little, as you know
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that there were, it was the lowest weight class and it's
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kindergarteners and pre-K. Both the kids he wrestled aren't
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in kindergarten yet. So had a little bit of
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advantage, but he's only had three practices.
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He had fun. Didn't get his Chick-fil-A
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afterwards, but he was pretty good.
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Good weekend on that front. But a dad needed a nap because
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it was an early, early wake up call to get up to Nevada.
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That's where we went up to wrestle to road trip.
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Yep, took the road trip out there.
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He slept on the way, he slept on the way home.
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He was tuckered out too. And the dad needed one in and
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the Iowa game in the first half. I mean, that Western Michigan
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team, like they're ranked in like, you know, 220 something
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like that. They're awful.
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And they're there's so many bad teams in college basketball and
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just it's the new reality. I mean, we see some of the
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issues Drake's run into. You see programs that we're just
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used to the South Dakota states, they're good.
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And then when they go up now against major conference
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conference competition, it's so different than what we're used
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to. It's a different world.
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And it's not good for the mid major fans, for the you and I,
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Drake fans in our audience and and whatever program that you
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went to that you kind of feel like you have a shot.
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You wonder. We saw it last year.
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Arkansas was our Cinderella. Yeah, that was our Cinderella a
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year ago that. Doesn't really.
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It doesn't make. Sense no not at all.
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But that was the only double digit seed we saw so few a teams
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get in. And secondly pulling upsets
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unfortunately. Is this going to become our new
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reality? I hope not, but I think you're
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probably leaning in that direction.
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Yeah. I mean, based on what we saw on
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Thursday night, it just was going to be such a let down to
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watch either of them play. So I decided to watch football
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all day, and I'm glad I did because I saw some phenomenal
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football, including the Bills, come roaring back to take care
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of the Patriots. You started the program and I
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have right here on the top of my NFL notes.
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Mea culpa, we have two quarterbacks that I have
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questioned a lot. At least for one week.
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Let's start with Bonex now before the comeback happened and
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some decisions there by the Packers going for the knockout
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below trying to go up 3 scores didn't happen before they score
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on the drive that I think cut it to a maybe it was a single score
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game. That interception was just
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dropped like it was under throwing.
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It was a deep shot. Packer guy didn't make the play.
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Right McKinney. He came a long way to knock it
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down, yes. He did and is like, oh, Nix was
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late on that throw. He had him open.
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He waited too long. He he saw that little double
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clutch that he had in there. He waited and this is Bo Nix.
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And then from then on. He was almost perfect.
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He was great. He was almost.
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Perfect. Every throw on time, every
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decision, it was what you see from when that good Bo Nix
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happens. But that's what you get.
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And he was so, so good. I've changed my opinion on the
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he's. Got a chance?
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He's got a chance, absolutely, to be year in, year out, a top
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12 quarter, yeah, top top 12 every year.
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You know he's going to be there, right?
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Some years he might be in the top five or six.
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Some years maybe it's more towards the medium.
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But he is there. I think he's solidified himself
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there. And JJ McCarthy and I get it.
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The caveat Dallas defense. Quinn Williams.
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Went out, you got to give them credit, they're better.
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Still, those throws, those plays, those decisions, they're
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it looked like it is clicking. How about the naked boot for the
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touchdown? That was great.
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He's into the end zone. It was awesome.
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It was wonderful. And those are the things.
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He's a different cat. He's kind of weird.
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He is. He's a weird duck.
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That's all right. If you get guys.
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Because listening to Collinsworth and the way that he
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was describing how everybody in the locker room just wants it to
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happen. They want it to work for this
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guy. We know it hasn't, but what you
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saw, you don't still spend the draft pick that they did for a
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guy that's going to be, he might be OK, right?
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You don't do that. And his grand scheme of things,
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yes, it'll probably be looked at as a disappointment.
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But if he can get to that level from what we saw at the
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beginning of his career, you would take that right now, I
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think, as a Viking fan. The beginning of the season.
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Can he be OK? Yes, if he can be OK.
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Flores isn't going anywhere. The defense is going to be set
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up, KOC running the offense. You are set if the quarterback
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is just OK. And we've seen that same
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Darnold, good, solid mm, hmm, JJ McCarthy even not maybe a step
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below what we saw a year ago out of Darnold.
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He gets to that level. The Vikings can bounce back in a
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big time. Win yeah, three games left this
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season. Obviously, we'll see if the, you
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know, the progress continues in an upward trajectory.
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It has for the last a couple of weeks a phenomenal.
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It was a great week in the NFL, Some meaningful games to say the
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very least. How about old man Rivers?
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I thought they were going to win that football game.
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So was Seattle looking ahead? I got to believe that that has
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had something to do with the kind of playing with their food
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type. They're a good football team,
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Trent. They are.
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I know you're not a Donald guy and you're not alone.
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There's a lot of people that belong to that club.
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They couldn't run the ball though.
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That was surprising to me as much as anything.
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Because when we've seen crappy Darnold, well, we just rely on
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the run game. We're going to be fine.
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They couldn't do it against an Indianapolis team that had
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struggled at different times against the run this year.
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That was maybe the most, the most surprising part of this
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game. The Colts right now,
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defensively, they give up a ton through the air and that means
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they're rushed. Defense is good.
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But to not be able to get anything against them, that was
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eye opening and I think concerning with the Rams on deck
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next for obviously Seattle. But what did we get?
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2 field goals in the final 40 seconds?
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Less than that, even. It might have been.
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It was absolutely I, I was. Getting out of Shine kept coming
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back on with updates in the game I was watching.
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Oh yeah, 'cause you were over there, I was on red zone and
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getting dinner ready and wait, they're they're kicking a field
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goal. I thought it just.
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Right, you shook the lead. Right.
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Can't put two and two together. What happened here?
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Seattle must win. Got it done.
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But Rivers, he was fine. He was.
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And we see so awful quarterback play.
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And when a guy comes in out of nowhere, and I thought that was
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going to be the same thing. I thought this was going to be
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hideous and you were going to feel bad for him and what are
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you doing and what is Indianapolis doing?
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And that wasn't the case. It is still It was the full
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Philip, Philip Rivers for experience.
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You got passes that are completed, that have no velocity
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behind them, that are fluttering.
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They're not a spiral. They're coming up with that
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hideous throwing motion that he has.
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That's just. What you get through it on time
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and somehow got through that narrow window.
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I've made a career doing that. How he does it?
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I don't know, but it's it's, it's proof is in the pudding.
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There's an NFL quarterback whose arrow's pointing up on a team
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that we, I mean, nobody cares about the team I'm about to
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mention, you know, who's playing like a quarterback, who might be
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a quarterback. Tyler Shuck, Yes.
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Uh huh. He is, isn't he?
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Yes, this last couple of weeks, maybe even more than that.
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Look, nobody cares about the Saints.
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I get it. They're a bad football team.
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But a guy that, you know, we saw play in his college career, Iowa
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State beat him. So I'm a couple of places.
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Texas Tech. Texas Tech, Right?
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Exactly Tyler Shuckers looked OK as they beat Carolina yesterday.
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What else was a big game yesterday?
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Obviously the Packers Micah Parsons going down.
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I don't know if the point spread reacted to that.
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If Parsons 'cause it opened I think 3 1/2 by the the news came
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out and then the bears are now pick em favored.
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It's let me get the latest point spread.
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Bears and Packers on Saturday night.
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Green Bay is favored. Green Bay was favored by three.
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They're now favored by a point and 1/2.
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So the point spread reacted on the basis of the Parsons news
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'cause it sound like Watson might be able to play.
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Any fears that Christian Watson, that was a a devastating injury
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for him. I don't think that's going to be
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the case. Apparently, there's a pretty
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good chance there's no no punctured lung, no collapsed
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lung, nothing like that. He got back and flew home with
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the team last night and they're hopeful that he can be on the
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field this week. So, yeah, the numbers right now,
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the Packers favored a point and a half over the Bears.
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And what a just a massive, massive game coming up here on
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Saturday night. And that's a 720 kick off for
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that one. Christian Watson goes down,
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Yeah. But he's fine.
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He's fine. He's he flew home with the team.
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I know you're, I just did a piece on that when you were on
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the phone. There's no, there was no
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collapsed lung. He got back, he got on the
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plane, flew home with the team. And I read something this
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morning that there's a chance he's able to play on Saturday
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night. That's a huge difference.
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Because he's the speed of those of those receivers and Jordan
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Love, this guy throws more balls off his back foot.
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As accurate as I've ever seen. He really is off his back foot.
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I'm talking about. But Denver shut them down in the
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second in the second-half. Here's my question, and this is
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not a knock if Denver, if Denver gets to say, a Super Bowl or an
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AFC Championship, can you afford to play?
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Riley Moss, of course. And the reason I say that he's
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going to get a flag whether he deserves it or not.
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And it it bothers the hell out of me.
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I know it does. Because a some of them are his
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fault. Clearly every DB does that.
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Of course he gets more calls against him because he's white
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for part of it that aren't fouls.
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It's got I think 9 this year. I think maybe half of them are
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warranted. Maybe half.
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So you want to play a worst player?
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I don't. But I, I, I just know what's
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going to happen. There's going to be a big spot
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and it's, and it's going to be Riley Moss going up against one
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of the league's best receivers. And if it's a close play, flags
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coming out, whether it's warranted or not, I don't know
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if you can afford. To play him, he does play
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physical. He's a physical.
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Corner. He's a physical.
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Corner. But every cornerback you watch
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enough football grabs an arm briefly right, grabs one arm and
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never gets called. And it happened all throughout
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the the game yesterday. Riley Moss does it once.
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Here comes the flag. It drives me bananas that that
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the league does that to him. It really does.
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It's your fandom. Now part of it is for sure, but
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he but it's. And he's your neighbor.
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He played for Pizzetti, so that moved both Pizzetti's and that
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moves them up in my book. But my good God, he's a decent
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player. But why would you attack certain
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the way that they did? I have no idea.
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Right of anybody. About certain coming over to
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Parsons, too. Yeah, that was class act.
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That was class act. Yeah, yeah.
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Two guys that get it, two guys that get it.
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What else? Los Angeles beating the Rams.
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It was a big game yesterday. I mean, beating the Lions.
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The Lions, are they out? They It might come down, it
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might come down to Week 18. Bears Lions for a playoff.
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Or one of those two teams so. Or maybe both of them, really.
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Oh, absolutely. The Bears don't win this week
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and they still have to go to San Francisco.
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After that, it very well could come down to Lions Bears Winner
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in, loser out. Seriously.
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So right now, let me get the wild cards down.
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Let me get the the card game in front of me.
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Detroit's the 8th. Green Bay is the seven.
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So whoever wins Saturday night would take the two seed.
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The loser of that game falls to the seventh seed.
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What's Detroit have left? The.
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Steelers, Steelers. Here's their three games.
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They're home against the Steelers and then at Viking on
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Christmas Day. OK at the Bears?
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Come down to Week 18. So if they go, if they win, well
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give them let's go 3 and O OK, let's just give them three and
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O. That would give them a grand
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total of 11. Yeah, it comes down to that.
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And yes, 11 and six they would have the tiebreaker over.
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No, it'd be the Bears would be 10 and seven.
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Now, if the Bears win, say, in Week 17, let's give them a win
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against San Francisco. Oh, it's a tough game, though.
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That's San. Fran, it would still be a
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winning in scenario. The Lions would have the
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tiebreaker and that's an era. If the Bears and the Lions both
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finish eleven and six in that scenario, then the Lions would
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be in. The Bears would be out at 11:00
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and 6:00. That's ridiculous that meanwhile
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Carolina and or Tampa is going to slide in with nine wins.
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I mean, we have this conversation not every year, but
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most years, Yes, most years. It's what we have, though I
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don't got a problem with it. I really don't, no, you know
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what it is going to be is before the year.
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So I mean, oh God. You're feeling good about your
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Broncos. I.
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Am I mean, how can you not be right?
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I don't know if they're going to.
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Be the Holmes is dead and there was a real possibility and
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certainly if Denver would have lost yesterday, that if the
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Chiefs got in, it was going to be Chiefs Broncos in the first
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in the 27 matchup and there's not a Bronco fan in the world.
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Make me say, oh, I feel good about.
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This No, they're lying. If they do, they're lying.
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That's off the table. I'm I'm I'm really happy that
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the dynasty is over at least for the year right, But if you miss
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the beginnings, I hate the way it ended.
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I do. This guy is such a good football
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player. I can't stand him, but he's such
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a good football player. He's so good for the league.
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Yes, he's it's. Good for us watching football.
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Sure it is to have that guy out. There, he's a witch, he's a
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wizard. He did some of the plays that he
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has made over the length of his career.
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Just you don't see that. How much retooling needs to be
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done? Oh, a lot.
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You think so? With the Chiefs, you got to
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start with the tight end, don't you?
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I mean, just Kelsey, just can he come back?
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I think he can. You saw late in that game before
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the entry, what were they doing? Trying to find him.
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They were going to Kelsey. I don't know what that says
19:29
about the rest of them. They need a running back.
19:31
Yes, they need a. Healthy.
19:33
Offensive. You've got Creed Humphrey and
19:35
Trey Smith. You start with those two and
19:38
then you kind of do what the Bears do did this past
19:40
offseason, right? You retool the old line.
19:43
See, I look at the squad, they are 7th in total offense, 6th in
19:48
total defense. There's one change.
19:51
They didn't win the close games. That's it.
19:54
I don't think this is 1 where you want to throw the baby out
19:55
with the bathwater. You have to, yes, retooling,
19:59
absolutely. But including plea tear down.
20:01
Now what? We don't know.
20:02
Is how healthy he's going to be once the calendar hits September
20:04
Mahomes. That part of it.
20:06
Andy Reid. Oh yeah.
20:08
Does he want to go through a retooling process?
20:11
Does that mean? Well, we heard this year was the
20:13
one last ride for them all, remember?
20:15
Got beaten, the Super Bowl, got embarrassed.
20:17
We're going to run it back one more time.
20:18
This is a hungry group, like you see it in their eyes.
20:22
Well, the three weeks left in the season, they're out.
20:24
Veach is incredible with what they do in the salary.
20:26
He's great. And the way that they manipulate
20:28
it and make it work and changes that they make and how they do
20:31
it, I don't know. No, not a math guy like that,
20:33
but they do an incredible job. But to do that on the fly, if
20:37
Reed walks away, who does he want to be that head coach?
20:41
He wants. He wants naggy and how.
20:44
Did that work, Trent? You tell us.
20:46
I could tell you very well he sucks.
20:49
Good luck to you if that's the guy that's going to be running
20:51
your organization, going to be the top of the heap.
20:54
But there's people, there's Chiefs fans everywhere that want
20:57
him gone. Is that going to happen?
20:59
Is Andrew Reid at this point in his career going to fire Matt
21:02
Nagy and bring in a new OC? No.
21:04
How old? How old did we Did we look last
21:07
week? Is he 66?
21:08
Andy Reid. Sounds about right, yeah.
21:10
Andy Reid, football coach. He's 67.
21:13
Yep, we'll turn 68 and. Before the season starts, he'll
21:16
be 68 years old. What's he got left to proof?
21:21
Nothing. Nothing.
21:22
No. He's been Hall of Famer.
21:24
Yeah. And then it turns into, well,
21:27
who does Mahomes want? As he said.
21:29
Because he's going to have a lot of say.
21:31
When is Mahomes return? How quickly is he going to be
21:33
out there? Is it a best case scenario?
21:35
We'll see him at beginning of October.
21:37
Well, how do you get through those first four weeks?
21:39
You take yourself A1 in three hole and digging out of it again
21:42
next season. Denver's not going anywhere.
21:44
I don't think so. Chargers going to be more
21:45
healthy and they got a head coach.
21:47
They'll get their offensive. Line of weird ducks.
21:50
You know, there's a team out there in the AFC that we don't.
21:53
We never talk about them because nobody cares about them in our
21:57
market. But are the Jacksonville
22:00
Jaguars, are they legitimately A legitimate threat to, I mean,
22:07
someone's going to win this conference And I got to think
22:10
that. Are the Bills favored here this
22:12
morning to win the conference? I would think that they are.
22:15
I would think that they are because they had the best
22:18
quarterback out of the group. They have a number one.
22:22
And if I gave you $100 free roll right now, who'd you take in the
22:24
AFC? The Bills take the Bills.
22:27
So they're the second choice. I'm looking at DraftKings right
22:30
now. Denver's 3 to 1, Buffalo's 3 1/2
22:32
to 1, Houston's 5 1/2 to one, the Patriots 6 to 1.
22:35
And there's the Jaguars at 6 1/2 to one.
22:37
Are we missing? Denver hosts Jacksonville this
22:40
week. This is a this is a big game.
22:43
It's a big game. Jacksonville's got still got a
22:45
chance, I think, to what to get the one seed, as strange as that
22:48
sounds. Because they're 10 and 4.
22:50
Four and four, yes, they go 13 and 4.
22:53
Need some help, Sure need. But they'd have a tiebreaker
22:56
against the Broncos. Don't know how I'd look with
22:58
them and the Patriots, who I think are gonna probably get to
23:00
that mark at minimum and maybe do more.
23:03
Trevor Lawrence is playing better.
23:05
Yeah, here's their losses this year.
23:08
They lost to the Bengals with Joe Burrell.
23:12
They lost to the Seahawks, and they lost to the Rams and the
23:14
Texans. Playoff, playoff, playoff.
23:18
It's pretty big, pretty good. Three really good.
23:20
Teams. Now here's the other side who
23:22
they beat. They beat.
23:24
Well, they beat the Texans before the Texans turned in what
23:26
they are They went to San Francisco.
23:28
That was a nice win. They beat the Chiefs on that
23:30
Monday night game. But then there's a lot of
23:32
garbage. Raiders beat the charge, blew
23:35
out the Chargers one at the Cardinals, beat the Titans, beat
23:39
the Colts, beat The Jets. Hasn't been a whole lot of
23:41
depth, but they're doing what normally Jacksonville doesn't
23:44
do. Beat who you're supposed to.
23:46
Keep your head above water. Is the representative going to
23:50
come out of the AFC S? Is that what you're telling me?
23:52
I mean, I'm telling you there's a chance.
23:54
Houston or Jacksonville? I'm telling you it's.
23:57
Not over. It's not.
23:59
And Houston, are they done with Jacksonville?
24:01
Yeah, they must be. You said there's a winner and a
24:03
loss there. All right. 1225.
24:05
Scott Dockerman coming up next. By the way, not that it.
24:08
I voted Heisman. I went Mendoza 1, Pavia 2,
24:14
Rodriguez, the linebacker from Texas Tech.
24:16
Three, I had a feeling that's the way.
24:18
Did they get it right? I think so.
24:21
I mean, I'm glad that the way it turned out, not that it would
24:23
have influenced my vote if Pavi would have done one of these
24:28
things ahead of time. I just, yes, it's Vanderbilt,
24:33
but it hasn't been too long since yes, Indiana.
24:35
Right. Absolutely.
24:36
Yeah, so. Both of these teams trajectories
24:39
way up than what we're normally accustomed to.
24:42
So I went Mendoza one on the not not just based on the past at
24:45
the end of the game at the end of the Big 10 championship, him
24:48
one, Pavia 2 and then Jacob Rodriguez 3.
24:51
Scott document next. Miller and Condon under way on a
24:54
Monday. Glad you're with us.
24:56
Our number two Bill Seals on Iowa State.
24:59
Nick Athan. What's next for the Chiefs?
25:01
Chief splits.com is the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
25:14
I'm Milary Condon, welcome back just past 1230 on a Monday.
25:18
It's the Iowa Sports Radio Network, wherever you're
25:20
listening. Glad that you are with us.
25:22
I just, I called you in the break, man.
25:23
An excellent point. The Chiefs will get the 3rd
25:25
place schedule next year. Is that 2 games or?
25:29
2, I believe, but certainly as opposed to those being first
25:33
place schedule, you'd much rather have that and they'll do
25:36
something and they haven't done in over a decade and that's
25:39
draft maybe as high as the top ten depending on how these next
25:42
three weeks go. Scott Document at one time
25:45
covered that franchise. He's now writing for The
25:47
Athletic, mostly college football, but he joins us.
25:50
Hello Doc, how are you? I'm doing well guys.
25:53
How's your Monday? Doing OK.
25:55
You covered the Chiefs back in the day before they became the
25:58
Chiefs in a lot of ways, did you not?
26:01
I did 2000 through 2006, the Dick Vermeil era.
26:04
So I got to see a high flying offense, a little different than
26:08
those high flying offense, but you know, Priest Holmes, Tony
26:12
Gonzalez, Dante Hall. I I've said Kate and Regent kind
26:16
of reminds me of Dante Hall and and a couple of Hall of Fame
26:20
offensive lineman and Trent Green was a decent quarterback.
26:23
So they had a really bad defense though, and that's what kept
26:26
them from going to the Super. Bowl What was What was Vermeil
26:29
like? Fantastic was he I was good of a
26:33
good of a guy, genuinely personable person, easy to get
26:38
along with. You know, there are some
26:40
qualities that that he and Kirk have, I think because I think
26:44
they genuinely care about people and you know, they're they're
26:48
very intense and and Vermeil is always known for his crying.
26:51
But I tell you what he was, I heard him guess a lot more than
26:54
I heard him saw him cry, you know, you know, which is pretty
26:57
typical. But but he did genuinely love
26:59
people. I think that came through time
27:02
after time after time. We go from a defense that's been
27:06
very good throughout the years and that is Iowa.
27:08
They get the Heisman runner up Diego Pavia, Ken mentioned.
27:11
It didn't even cross my thought process.
27:13
I think there's going to be a lot of people across the country
27:15
are going to be maybe rooting a little bit more for the Hawkeyes
27:17
in this one after his exploits in New York here the last couple
27:21
of days in comparison to baby that beforehand.
27:24
Take us in a little bit. The Heisman, Ken talked about
27:26
his voting, what you saw and Mendoza getting it.
27:29
But Pavia becoming a Public Enemy number one for a lot of
27:32
people. I I joked earlier that there's a
27:36
budding bromance between Indiana and Iowa after this and, you
27:40
know, after what Pavia did and social media and out of clubbing
27:45
and what have you and, you know, and, and so, you know, Indiana
27:49
fans are like, hey, we've got your back.
27:51
And so it's and then I think a lot of other fans jumped in too.
27:55
Yeah, he's, he's Public Enemy number one, no question about
27:57
it. And I think, you know, being
27:59
from the SEC that's got, you know, kind of an it factor to it
28:03
anyway. And then throw on his antics
28:05
over the years and and this year it's going to be added.
28:08
But but he's also, you know, let's not forget that he is a
28:11
terrific football player. And if he was on your team, you
28:13
would be rooting for him like nobody's business.
28:16
It's just you don't like him because he's he's on the other
28:20
team, no matter which team. So I voted for Fernando Mendoza
28:23
#1 I actually got it right for the first.
28:26
Time. Yeah, when I went 123 with Pavia
28:29
2 and Jeremiah Love 3 and and I kind of went into that Big 10
28:33
championship game thinking I'll probably vote quarterback either
28:38
one as as #1 and and you know, Mendoza, the way he was able to,
28:45
you know, not only throw the the touchdown to Elijah Sarat to put
28:49
him ahead, but but also connect with Charlie Becker late on a
28:52
big third down. You know, you can't just base it
28:55
all on statistics and too many people do that.
28:58
It's like, well, he didn't throw this many touch.
29:00
I don't care. I mean, you got to engineer
29:02
victory. You you've got to score points
29:04
when they matter and, and win games on the road because NFL,
29:08
that's what it's about too. And, and I think that's that he
29:11
proved that time after time, you know, at Iowa, at Oregon, at
29:14
Penn State, against Ohio State, he tipped the field that this
29:19
team's a better team because of him.
29:21
And I thought he definitely deserved it.
29:23
And Love was great. And it was really kind of a toss
29:25
up. It's for me #3 between Jeremiah
29:28
Love and Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State, who I think's the
29:32
best player in the sport. He just didn't have the the
29:34
statistics to kind of go there. Yeah, I was the same as you.
29:38
And 1:00 and 2:00. Yeah, three.
29:41
I went Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker from Texas Tech with
29:44
my third place vote. Anyways, Doc, there is a little
29:47
breaking news before we kind of get to these games coming up
29:49
this weekend. Nebraska quarterback Dylan
29:51
Rayola, intense. He's in the portal.
29:54
He's looking for a place where he can thrive and best harnesses
29:57
potential. Didn't he say that when he got
29:59
to Nebraska? Well, he's in the portal.
30:02
Doc, is that a surprise to you or kind of writing on the wall
30:05
when brother left and then uncle was fired?
30:09
Yeah, I think it was writing on the wall.
30:11
I mean, you just kind of, you know, read between the lines on
30:14
this one that, you know, when his uncle's fired, his brother
30:17
decides to commit, the season wasn't going great for him and
30:21
he gets hurt. And it was kind of like, you
30:24
know, I I'd be surprised if he stayed, you know, and I mean, I
30:27
guess money talks. But now that he's expected to
30:31
enter the transfer portal, it's it's not a surprise at all.
30:34
And and you know that I think it it's really a double.
30:38
It's a really a whammy for for Nebraska because they put a lot
30:41
into him. I mean his five star, you know,
30:44
he made him the face of the organization.
30:45
The fans really rallied and pounded and and to now have him,
30:49
they're starting over again with him at that position.
30:53
I think Latif was it had flashed some moments this year, but he
30:57
didn't play very well in the final two games.
30:59
He was true freshman. That happens.
31:00
But I, I think, you know, Nebraska is kind of an identity
31:05
crisis as an organization. You know, they just, you don't
31:08
know what are they trying to do and how and are they going to be
31:11
good at anything? And they've never shown that
31:13
they can be. So I, I think that, you know,
31:15
this, you know, now you get a chance to kind of build it from
31:18
the ground up if you want to do that.
31:20
But, you know, it's still a really big punch for
31:24
organization that could use some stability and some confidence.
31:29
Speaking of stability, not a whole lot of it in the Ann Arbor
31:31
right now and they try to figure out who their next head coach is
31:35
going to be A crazy afternoon into evening A week ago, Doc,
31:41
one of the more wild stories that certainly I could remember.
31:44
In a sport that is full of wild stories, where does Michigan
31:48
turn and how big is a concern? National championship just a
31:52
couple of years ago, this program, the money that needs to
31:55
be spent, they went out, got Underwood.
31:56
Is he going to be back for a sophomore year?
31:58
A lot of questions there take us into Michigan.
32:01
Yeah, it's really been kind of a a meat grinder for a while now.
32:05
I mean, really, you know, Jim Harbaugh, you know, obviously
32:08
brought a lot of success, you know, three straight Big 10
32:11
championships, national championship, really turned the
32:14
program from, you know, bad mediocrity and and turning it.
32:19
But he also brought like just a baggage piled up over and over.
32:24
I mean, NCAA stuff, you know, Connor Stallions and, and then,
32:30
you know, then this stuff and then he, we got this with Shrone
32:33
Moore and, and, you know, and we see, you know, we can't forget
32:36
about the, the private equity stuff that they're ready to
32:39
leave the Big 10 over. And, and it just seems to me
32:42
this, this the whole thing needs a reset too.
32:44
And I think you kind of need to get away from the, the Harbaugh
32:47
era and, and, and shadow and I think, you know, now this is
32:53
completely different and this is gross and it's unseemly and you
32:58
hate seeing it. There's not a winner out of this
33:00
whole mix, but I, if I were them you, you've got to just get
33:04
somebody who's gonna be stable and for, you know, be a, a good
33:10
force and, and internally and, and you know, Sharon Moore, I, I
33:15
think they felt obligated to have to promote him because he
33:18
did win some games as a interim coach.
33:21
But I don't think anybody was looking at him over the last two
33:23
years, even with as much dysfunction there and saying,
33:26
man, this guy's going to bring it next year.
33:28
I mean, Bryce Underwood's a good quarterback, but I didn't see
33:32
much growth there. So I, I think, you know, they're
33:35
probably like, Dang, why didn't this happen a week earlier?
33:37
Maybe they could have got Matt Campbell.
33:39
I think Jed Fish might be the guy that I would put it the top
33:43
of the list from Washington. Dillingham on your list, do you
33:46
think? What about the board in Alabama?
33:48
Those two names make any sense? Stock maybe underneath.
33:52
The board backed out, did he said.
33:54
I'm not yesterday. He's like, I'm not going
33:56
anywhere, so don't even look that way.
33:57
And I and I think our guy in Arizona reported that Kenny
34:01
Dillingham was working on an extension there at Arizona
34:04
State. So I don't I don't know that
34:07
that would be a reasonable option for them at this point.
34:10
But, you know, and maybe it's it's somebody.
34:13
And this is where we all get enamored with the big name at
34:16
the big time. And, and we've seen a couple of
34:19
different situations. I mean, you know, let's look at
34:23
Kurt Signetti getting hired, you know, a guy in his 60s, they,
34:27
you know, Indiana decided he was the right coach and man, that
34:30
really took off. And, and even going back two
34:32
decades, I mean, who would have thought that Ohio State would
34:35
have hired the Youngstown State coach?
34:36
Yeah, really be that guy. And and he let him do a national
34:40
title, a couple national title appearances.
34:42
So the cardigan sweaters. Yeah.
34:45
I mean, maybe somebody like Jeff Munkin is, is a guy that you
34:48
look at, you know, from Army, you know, and I don't think they
34:50
will, but but you know, the leadership that he's shown in a
34:54
program that you're, you've got a really low ceiling.
34:58
And as long as he's not, you know, bringing back the
35:00
wishbone, which I, I don't think he would.
35:03
But you know, I, I think that's, you need somebody with that kind
35:07
of leadership at this point, I think.
35:09
So we go into the weekend. Of course Friday night begins
35:12
with a all timer Alabama Oklahoma helmet game.
35:15
No doubt Miami Texas A&M will get us started Saturday.
35:18
I do want to go to the two games involving the group of Five.
35:22
Most people don't give any shot to either Tulane or James
35:25
Madison to even hang around into the second-half.
35:28
Of those two, who would you point to that you think has a
35:30
chance to make it a competitive game?
35:32
Keep us interested, at least for a while.
35:36
You know, even though they played before, I would probably
35:38
go Tulane, Ole Miss, you know, because I think Tulane does have
35:42
some some qualities that can keep it competitive.
35:45
And and with all the turmoil that Ole Miss has gone through
35:48
now with Keith Goulding as their head coach, I mean, you know,
35:52
what happens if things don't work out Well, I mean, Lane had
35:55
they had the offense figured out and I just don't know.
35:58
You know, you got a kind of this hodgepodge of assistant coaches
36:02
halfway on their way out and, and you know, what if the
36:07
offense, they have a couple turnovers early and Tulane's in
36:09
it and then they're trying to figure things out and it just
36:12
doesn't work well for them. So that's probably the one I
36:14
would go with. I I really struggle to think
36:17
that James Madison's going to mount much of a challenge to
36:20
Oregon going all the way across the country.
36:22
There's a humongous talent disparity.
36:24
I mean, I just I think that one has blow out written all over it
36:29
in my eyes. But but you know things stranger
36:32
things have happened. But they this would be in rare
36:35
air for stranger things. I'll get you out of here on this
36:37
doc Yeah, by the way, that's a 22.21 and a half 22 now Oregon's
36:42
favorite over James Madison Friday night Trent mentioned in
36:45
Alabama Oklahoma and then the early game on Saturday Miami
36:49
versus Texas A and MI did personally I didn't like the way
36:52
A&M finished the season. Wasn't real sure that this was a
36:55
team that that deserve to be. I know that they were unbeaten
36:58
to till the better end, but your thoughts on those two Doc?
37:02
Do you have an opinion either way on Alabama, Oklahoma, Miami,
37:06
Texas A&M? Yeah, of the four, this sounds
37:10
space, sounds strange. I think Miami is the best team
37:12
out of the four. And if you would have put Notre
37:15
Dame in there, I was on Notre Dame.
37:17
Yeah, of four or five. I think, you know, Oklahoma is a
37:22
really good defense and marginal and offense.
37:25
Alabama can't run. So I guess I kind of like
37:29
Alabama a little bit more. I think, you know, if Ty Simpson
37:32
can play the way he was playing earlier this season and not the
37:35
way he played November, Miami, I, I like Miami on the road.
37:39
I, I think Carson Beck and you know, I mean, Marcel Reed is
37:42
tremendous. No question.
37:43
They've got a lot of talent and it's going to be a Kyle Field.
37:46
So you know, it's going to be crazy, but I don't know.
37:49
I, I, I think they got a shot here and you know, but I, I
37:52
think whoever wins is not going to have much of a chance when
37:55
they go to the, to the Cotton Bowl and play Ohio State.
37:59
And I don't. I think Ohio State's clearly
38:00
better than both of them. And that is New Year's Eve, is
38:03
it not? I believe it is.
38:05
Yeah. Good stuff Scott Dockerman from
38:07
The Athletic Dock. What have you got coming up this
38:09
week that Trent and I as subscribers will both be able to
38:12
click on and read? Yeah, I'm working on a couple of
38:16
stories. One is Indiana, like how insane
38:19
it is that Indiana is in this position and looking at their
38:23
kind of their history, but also what Signeti has been able to do
38:27
to put them in position to be the number one team in the
38:29
country, which they are. And I'm also going to take like
38:31
an all 22 look or, you know, for the 22 best players entering the
38:36
the playoffs. And and I'm gonna take a gander
38:39
at the at, you know, maybe an idea for the big 10.
38:44
You know, instead of going to this extra round of 123645 that
38:49
they want to so badly, why not revisit the Champions Week
38:53
thoughts of 2020 when you have to take like one week of
38:57
crossover and just play it as the last game of the season?
39:01
You know, OK, you can have one versus 2, but but maybe it's 3
39:04
versus 6 and 3 or 4 versus 8 or something like that.
39:08
Teams that haven't played each other play them on home
39:10
campuses. That's something that I think
39:13
the Big 10 should look at. So I'm trying to write that this
39:16
week too. Good stuff, Doc.
39:17
We'll look forward to it. Thank you, Scott Docman,
39:19
appreciate you coming on. As always, you do the same.
39:23
Thank you, Scott Dockerman from the Athletic Trench.
39:26
I think you're too enthusiastic. Thumbs up from you, right?
39:29
I've been. Harping that since 21, yeah.
39:32
Brandon Sorsby, Cincinnati quarterback in the portal.
39:36
Gonna be quarterbacks. So if you're who's their
39:39
opponent, Navy or army in their bowl game?
39:42
Don't remember off the top man. Better get to your app quickly.
39:46
Miller and Condon on this Navy on the Iowa Sports Radio
39:48
Network. Hi, Millie Condon, welcome back.
39:57
Iowa Sports Radio Network. Coming up on our number two,
40:00
Bill Seals will join us. Iowa State's replace Ryan
40:04
Clanton got a guy from the SEC, Auburn old miss on his resume.
40:08
Pretty good. Yeah, sounds a thing.
40:10
So we will talk to Bill about that.
40:12
Comings and goings with that roster, what Bill is hearing if
40:16
anything. Obviously do some basketball.
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Both men's and women's with Bill when he joins us kick off our
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number two. I still that last week, the Cy
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Hawk, the women and men both such both really, really good
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games. They really were that that one's
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gonna you know, 2025 when you stack them both beside each
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other. Just the fact, you know, 1
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wasn't a good game, one wasn't a blowout.
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They were both really good games.
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Especially if both of them, all four of them, have successful
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seasons. Yep, of the four most likely to
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miss the tournament. I will, men.
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Yeah, I agree. I agree.
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Who's the most likely to make a final 40?
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Iowa State men. Iowa State men?
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Yep. Is that how you see it?
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I think so. I think so too.
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Do you really like Yukon for the women?
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Oh yeah, that's is that a free? Square, I mean, they're minus
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money to win a national team already.
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Yes. Like -180.
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Yes, look, today I started adding them to some of my
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futures. But we thought we had a free
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square a couple years back and Caitlin Clark had different
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ideas for the South Carolina ladies.
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She did our 2 is Next Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio
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Network.