Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / DNA confirms man who had passed polygraph test as suspected killer in 1979 cold case
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- 0:00Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you hear about a case and you think, wow,
- 0:02that could be straight out of a movie, right, And
- 0:04that's what we're diving into today. A forty five year
- 0:07old cold case. It was finally cracked wide open using
- 0:12get this forensic genealogy. It's a story about perseverance, incredible
- 0:17scientific advancements, and a plot twist you won't believe.
- 0:21Speaker 2: It's amazing how technology is changing the way we think
- 0:24about justice, especially when we're talking about crimes from decades ago.
- 0:28Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So. Back in nineteen seventy nine, seventeen year
- 0:31old Esther Gonzalez was murdered in Banning, California.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Tragic.
- 0:34Speaker 1: She was just walking to her sister's house when she
- 0:36was attacked, raped, and then her body was found later
- 0:39off the highway.
- 0:40Speaker 2: Oh wow.
- 0:41Speaker 1: Is a brutal case that obviously shook the community, and
- 0:44Esther's family was left searching for answers for years, decades.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Even I can't imagine. And what's wild is that the
- 0:51guy who actually found Esther's body, Lewis Randolph Randy Williamson.
- 0:55He became a suspect early on. Really Yeah, deputies at
- 0:59the time even described him as being argumentative when they
- 1:02were questioning him.
- 1:03Speaker 1: That's suspicious for sure.
- 1:05Speaker 2: But back then the main thing they relied on was
- 1:07polygraph tests. So Williamson took one and he passed, which
- 1:12basically cleared him as a suspect. I mean, I know
- 1:14polygraphs aren't perfect, right exactly, but back then it was
- 1:18enough to make them focus on other leads.
- 1:21Speaker 1: So the case went cold for well, you said it
- 1:23forty five years. How frustrating would that be for her family?
- 1:27Speaker 2: Oh, it would be agonizing not knowing who took your
- 1:29loved one from you. Horrible. But then fast forward to
- 1:32twenty twenty three, a cold case homicide team decides to
- 1:36reopen the case and they have this new tool in
- 1:39their arsenal, forensic genealogy.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Okay, so for those of us who didn't go to
- 1:43CSI school, break it down for us. What is forensic genealogy.
- 1:48Speaker 2: It's kind of like building one of those big family trees, right,
- 1:50except instead of using just old records and stuff, you're
- 1:53using DNA to connect the branches. Makes sense, So they
- 1:56take DNA from the crime scene and then compare it
- 1:58to these huge database of genetic information, and what they
- 2:02start to do is build a family tree for the perpetrator,
- 2:05even if they have no idea who it is.
- 2:07Speaker 1: So you could have a really distant relative in one
- 2:09of those databases and it could lead back to the
- 2:12actual criminal.
- 2:13Speaker 2: That's exactly how it works, and it's changing the game.
- 2:15So in Esther's case, they sent the evidence to a
- 2:18specialized lab in Texas. That's when they had this huge realization. Williamson,
- 2:23the guy who found the body, was never actually cleared
- 2:26by DNA just that polygraph test.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Hold on, they had his DNA all this time.
- 2:31Speaker 2: Well not his specifically, but they had biological evidence from
- 2:36the crime scene. Back then, DNA testing wasn't really a
- 2:38thing in investigations.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Wow, So what happened? They bring Williamson in.
- 2:43Speaker 2: That's where things get tricky. See Williamson had already died
- 2:46back in twenty fourteen.
- 2:47Speaker 1: Oh no, but dead end right?
- 2:49Speaker 2: Not so fast, Yeah, investigators are persistent. They managed to
- 2:52get a blood sample from his autopsy all the way
- 2:55from Florida, sent it to the California Department of Justice,
- 2:58and bam, a match. Williamson was their guy.
- 3:00Speaker 1: After forty five years. Unbelievable. That must have been a
- 3:03crazy moment for Esther's family.
- 3:05Speaker 2: You said it finally getting answers, but knowing the guy's
- 3:07already gone yet.
- 3:09Speaker 1: Bitter sweet doesn't even begin to describe it. Yeah, so
- 3:11do we know how they reacted to the news.
- 3:14Speaker 2: Well, Esther's sister Elizabeth, she gave a statement. She said,
- 3:17and this is a quote. We are very happy that
- 3:19we finally have closure. We are happy about it, but
- 3:22since the guy has died, a little sad that he
- 3:25won't spend any time for her murder.
- 3:27Speaker 1: So powerful. I can't imagine the mix of emotions relief
- 3:31but also that lingering sense of what if. Absolutely, but
- 3:35at least they finally know. And it really shows how
- 3:38powerful forensic genealogy can be, bringing families closure even after
- 3:42so much time has passed.
- 3:43Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, it's not just about closure for the
- 3:46family though. Esther's brother Eddie actually posted a thank you
- 3:49to the Sheriff's department on Facebook.
- 3:51Speaker 1: Think about carrying that weight around for forty five years
- 3:53not knowing who is responsible.
- 3:55Speaker 2: It's mind boggling.
- 3:57Speaker 1: It shows how deeply these crimes affect everyone. But this
- 4:00case also highlights just how incredible science can be, you know,
- 4:04bringing justice even when all hope seems lost.
- 4:07Speaker 2: It's true, I know it's crazy to think about after
- 4:10all that time they finally get answers.
- 4:12Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, and it's easy to focus on the science,
- 4:14all the detective work, but we should take a moment
- 4:17to talk about esther herself.
- 4:18Speaker 2: Yeah, what was her life like before this happened?
- 4:22Speaker 1: Exactly? We know she was loved, a daughter, a sister, right.
- 4:26Speaker 2: And Elizabeth her sister, talked about her being kind of
- 4:29shy but also funny.
- 4:31Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking. They were only a year apart. Must have
- 4:34been close, I bet, And.
- 4:36Speaker 2: To lose her like that and then have no answers
- 4:38for so long.
- 4:39Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
- 4:40Speaker 2: And don't forget she was one of six kids. Remember Eddie,
- 4:43her brother who thank the Sheriff's department. Yeah, it really
- 4:46shows how deeply this impacted the whole family. I wasn't
- 4:49just a past event. It was always there.
- 4:51Speaker 1: Absolutely. So now that we know Williamson did it, any
- 4:54idea why?
- 4:55Speaker 2: That's the thing we don't. And that's often the case
- 4:58with these genealogy investigations. So you can find the who,
- 5:01but the why that dies with them.
- 5:04Speaker 1: So even with this breakthrough, there were still unanswered questions.
- 5:07Speaker 2: That's true, but knowing the truth can bring a kind
- 5:09of peace. Even if it doesn't explain everything, it helps
- 5:13with healing moving forward.
- 5:15Speaker 1: It does. This makes me wonder what's next for forensic genealogy.
- 5:21If it can solve the case this cold, what else
- 5:23can it do?
- 5:24Speaker 2: Oh man, the possibilities are huge. Think about all the
- 5:27other cold cases out there, families still waiting, wondering. Yeah,
- 5:32this technology could completely change how we deal with unsolved crimes.
- 5:39It's more cases like Ester's will see solved.
- 5:43Speaker 1: It's exciting but also kind of scary, right. It means
- 5:45it's a lot of.
- 5:46Speaker 2: Power, no doubt, and we have to think about the
- 5:48ethics of it, especially around privacy consent.
- 5:51Speaker 1: We do big conversation for another time.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Definitely, but let's focus on what's been accomplished here. It
- 5:56shows how dedication, smart people, and yeah, even some luck
- 6:00can come together.
- 6:01Speaker 1: And deliver justice exactly. You know, it's interesting to think
- 6:03about the investigators who worked on Esther's case back in
- 6:06seventy nine. They did what they could with what they had.
- 6:09They relied on that polygraph which ended up pointing them
- 6:12the wrong way.
- 6:13Speaker 2: Right, but that happens. It shows that science is always
- 6:16changing what we thought was reliable. Then might not be now.
- 6:20We have to keep learning, challenging what we think we know,
- 6:24and never ever give up on finding the truth. Doesn't
- 6:28matter how much time has passed.
- 6:30Speaker 1: And it's crazy to think if Williamson hadn't had that
- 6:33autopsy in Florida, if they hadn't taken that blood sample.
- 6:36Speaker 2: This could have been unsolved forever.
- 6:38Speaker 1: It shows how important it is to keep evidence even
- 6:41when a case seems hopeless.
- 6:42Speaker 2: You never know what the future holds, what new tools
- 6:45will have.
- 6:46Speaker 1: It's like planting a seed might take years to sproute,
- 6:49but when it does, it.
- 6:51Speaker 2: Can change everything. In this case, it brought a family
- 6:54some peace after waiting way too long exactly. And you know,
- 6:57it shows that some crimes, they might seem cold, but
- 7:00they never really are. There's always that possibility, no matter
- 7:03how small, that something new will come up, so new
- 7:06evidence or technology, something that can shed light on what happens.
- 7:09Speaker 1: Like justice never sleeps right.
- 7:12Speaker 2: It might take time, even decades, but some people won't
- 7:14give up until they find out the truth.
- 7:16Speaker 1: It's inspiring, really And I know we keep talking about
- 7:19the science, but at the end of the day, it's
- 7:21the human part of these cases that gets me behind.
- 7:24Every cold case there's a story, a victim, a family
- 7:29who's been left wondering, hurting. Yeah, I think anyone who's
- 7:33into true crime like me knows that these cases, they
- 7:36aren't just puzzles to be solved. They show us how
- 7:39complicated people are, the good and the bad, and the
- 7:42power of science, and how resilient we can be even
- 7:46in the face of tragedy.
- 7:47Speaker 2: I couldn't have put it better in myself and Esther's case.
- 7:50I think it really highlights how forensic science is always changing.
- 7:53What we know now could be totally different in a
- 7:55few years. Who knows, Think about what kind of tools
- 7:58we might have forty five years from now.
- 7:59Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, it's hardy to even.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Imagine, right, But for now, forensic genealogy is here and
- 8:04it's making a huge difference. Who knows how many more
- 8:07families are going to find some peace because of it.
- 8:09So true makes you think, though, what about the future
- 8:11of this technology? Will it be the go to for investigations?
- 8:15What about the ethical stuff, the privacy concerns all that?
- 8:17What do you think?
- 8:18Speaker 1: Those are great questions and we want to hear from you.
- 8:20Hit us up on social media. Let's discuss because this
- 8:23whole deep dive. It wasn't just about figuring out an
- 8:26old mystery. It was about the power of science, about
- 8:29seeking justice and holding on to hope even when things
- 8:32seem dark. The truth is out there.
- 8:35Speaker 2: It is Esther Gonzalez's story, even though it's tragic, shows
- 8:39us that even after all this time, justice is possible.
- 8:43Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on this deep dive. Everyone. Catch
- 8:45you next time for another fascinating adventure into, well, whatever
- 8:49piques our curiosity.