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Episode 70: Dr. Jen Esquer i.e. @DocJenFit, Physical Therapist · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: All right, now, I know I can't be the only
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  Speaker 1: person that's excited about this. You are listening to episode
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  Speaker 1: seventy of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to everyone from
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneurs to top CEOs and athletes about how they've gotten
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  Speaker 1: through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness.
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  Speaker 1: Emily a body here and for today's episode, I am
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  Speaker 1: going to be chatting with Jen Scare, better known to
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  Speaker 1: her five hundred and forty thousand plus Instagram followers as
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  Speaker 1: She is a warrior. I sat down with her when
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  Speaker 1: I was in Los Angeles a couple of months ago,
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  Speaker 1: and she just omits such positivity, such light, such confidence,
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  Speaker 1: and that's taken a lot of self work. On today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: Jen talks to me about getting her doctorate in physical therapy,
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  Speaker 1: her first job after graduating, and the tough decision she
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  Speaker 1: made to walk away from something full time to pursue
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  Speaker 1: her own individual clients. But the real meat of today's
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  Speaker 1: episode is Jen getting really honest with me about the
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  Speaker 1: hurdle moment that she went through at the very beginning
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  Speaker 1: of this year, walking away from a really serious relationship
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  Speaker 1: because of infidelity. She talks to me about how she
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  Speaker 1: handled that heartache, how her world turned upside down, and
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  Speaker 1: how she really took ownership over the situation rather than
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  Speaker 1: playing the victim. I feel like lately the podcast has
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  Speaker 1: been getting super vulnerable, and I try not to talk
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  Speaker 1: about my relationships in terms of anything personal on here,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that that changed a little bit with
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  Speaker 1: this episode. God, I'm nowhere in your perfect I've had
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  Speaker 1: my fair share of heartache and bad experiences, and Jen
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  Speaker 1: and I really connected over how we both got through
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  Speaker 1: some really tough stuff for us in our pasts. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: I asked her to put her physical therapist hat on
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit. She talks to me about easy
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  Speaker 1: ways that we can all get moving every day that
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  Speaker 1: make a major difference, and she also offers up some
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  Speaker 1: really great advice for anyone that's going through something and
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  Speaker 1: they're just being super hard on themselves. Just a few
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  Speaker 1: easy words that can help get you through. I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: a lot messages over the last few months asking for
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  Speaker 1: relationship advice, and again it's something that I haven't really
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  Speaker 1: dove in too much of, but I think that for
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  Speaker 1: those that are looking to really hear out some heartbreak thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: today's episode will get the job done. As always, you
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  Speaker 1: can always get at me in my inbox. It's Emily
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  Speaker 1: With that, let's get to hurdling. Today. I'm sitting down
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  Speaker 1: with Jen Escare. How do you like to introduce yourself?
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's so many different ways. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people just call me as Doc Genfit,
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  Speaker 2: doc fit Doen, doctor of physical therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, And growing up, did you always think that you
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  Speaker 1: were going to get into doing something like this?
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea. I mean growing up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was a gymnast for about nine years. And when
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  Speaker 2: you're young and in a sport, I think you think
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  Speaker 2: sometimes like, oh, this is what I'm going to do professionally.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be it, and so and especially
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  Speaker 2: for like gymnastics, it's either like college or professional. There's
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  Speaker 2: no other, Like you don't can't make it any other way,
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  Speaker 2: which is I mean true for a lot of sports,
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  Speaker 2: but it's so hard in gymnastics because there's six women
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  Speaker 2: who get picked to go to Olympics. And then colleges
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  Speaker 2: are even getting rid of gymnastics. It used to be
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  Speaker 2: in high schools, not in high schools anymore. Now it's
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  Speaker 2: only club and even colleges I'm starting to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it. So it's like your options for really being
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  Speaker 2: a gymnast are kind of limited, which is quite a
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  Speaker 2: bummer because it's such an amazing and beautiful sport and
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  Speaker 2: what it does for the body. Yeah, there could be
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  Speaker 2: a lot of injuries, but at the same time, so
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  Speaker 2: much body awareness and it's such a gift and I'm
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  Speaker 2: super blessed to have done it. And then I actually
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  Speaker 2: quit when I was sixteen. So I quit when I
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  Speaker 2: was still going through high school, and I just fell
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  Speaker 2: in love with anatomy and learning about the body. I
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  Speaker 2: loved biology and all of that in high school, so
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  Speaker 2: I knew going into college I wanted to do kinesiology,
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  Speaker 2: the study of human movement, because I knew, Like that
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  Speaker 2: just made sense, like as far as what I knew
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  Speaker 2: and what I liked at the time, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know it was going to be physical therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And where did you go to college?
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  Speaker 2: Cal State Fullerton?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So we're in Marina Delray right now. And how
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  Speaker 1: far away is that?
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  Speaker 2: That's like an hour? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm born and raised in California.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, California and not LA, but like Southeast I'm
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  Speaker 2: like I say, I'm like between San Diego in LA.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a mix, a nice mix of the two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So fascinated with human anatomy, I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are. But the commitment that it takes to
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  Speaker 1: go to school for that long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is quite a commitment. And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm not a school person. Like I go because
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  Speaker 2: I knew that's what I needed to do. But I
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  Speaker 2: my mom and my sister are teachers. They could have
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  Speaker 2: gone to school forever. They're like obsessed with it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was just not my personality. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: while going through college and kind of figuring out what
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  Speaker 2: it was that I wanted to do and shadowing for
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  Speaker 2: different clinics and hospitals and stuff, and realizing physical therapy
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  Speaker 2: was my was going to be my thing. It was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of like this, like okay, like it's it's
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  Speaker 2: going to cost over one hundred grand to go to
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  Speaker 2: school and it's going to be a three extra year
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  Speaker 2: and maybe I don't get in the first time I apply,
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  Speaker 2: but this is what I want to do. And when
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  Speaker 2: I decide to just commit to something like I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to be why worry about the loans and the
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  Speaker 2: money and the time. Like, it's just okay, this is
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  Speaker 2: what it this is what it takes.
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  Speaker 1: Did you not get in the first time you apply? No?
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  Speaker 2: I did, luckily I did. But I had friends who
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  Speaker 2: like took two or three times to apply. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's why I tell people, you know, don't get discouraged.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about you. Sometimes, yeah, you do have to
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  Speaker 2: up a grade or change who you're applying to or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it may be, but it's not about you. And
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  Speaker 2: if this is what you're really committed to, commit to
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  Speaker 2: it right.
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  Speaker 1: And So when you graduated with your DPT, did you
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  Speaker 1: expect to start practicing on your own? Did you go
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  Speaker 1: practice with somebody else? How did that work?
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  Speaker 2: I did actually go into a clinic right away, and
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  Speaker 2: I sought out one one that was by the beach
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  Speaker 2: because I fell in love with aqua yoga and calisthenics
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  Speaker 2: and everything in Santa Monica. So I was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: where I'm looking for a job, and I did. I
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  Speaker 2: ended up getting a job in Santa Monica, but I
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  Speaker 2: was also looking for a mentor. It's unfortunate. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of students coming out of physical therapy
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  Speaker 2: school are usually like, great, I have all this knowledge,
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  Speaker 2: but how do I actually help a human? And you
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  Speaker 2: know how to diagnose, you know how to, but it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that you know how to treat that
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  Speaker 2: certain thing, Like well, we know special tests, we know
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  Speaker 2: how to how to act on a symptom, but that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that's necessarily the cause. And so I felt
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  Speaker 2: like for myself, and I know for a lot of
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  Speaker 2: students coming out of school too, it's unfortunate. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of the times you feel like I still need more,
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  Speaker 2: I need more mentorship. I don't feel ready, I don't
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  Speaker 2: feel confident. And so that's just where I was. And
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  Speaker 2: so I got a job knowing that I would have
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  Speaker 2: mentorship there and I was there for about a year
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  Speaker 2: and a half until it was time for me to
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  Speaker 2: go on my own.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that note about like you finish your
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  Speaker 1: schooling or you finished learning about this one thing, and
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  Speaker 1: then it's like okay, but like now you have to
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  Speaker 1: put it into practice. It feels that way for I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure a lot of different industries, a lot of different fields.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: That's why in journalism school they have the kids start
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  Speaker 1: out by like writing obituaries because it's like the first
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  Speaker 1: practice of like getting things short and concise. And so
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  Speaker 1: when you go for that first job or that first
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  Speaker 1: internship and they have you writing like a forty five
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  Speaker 1: word blurb and you have to be concise and short.
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  Speaker 1: Like sometimes being concise and short, it's harder than you know,
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  Speaker 1: writing two thousand words.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: But again, like that real world experience, I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: time the clinic was so beneficial for you. It was.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean you have you have clinicals throughout school
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  Speaker 2: as well, and that's supposed to prepare you as well,
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  Speaker 2: and they do. And I think it's different school to school,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time, still coming out without having
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  Speaker 2: someone directly on you, you don't have a clinical direct dur
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  Speaker 2: on you. You don't have someone really watching you and
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  Speaker 2: telling you what to do and not to do. Now
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  Speaker 2: you're all on your own, you know, And so there's
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  Speaker 2: still that level of confidence that you need to gain
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  Speaker 2: because really going in and treating a human, it's about
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  Speaker 2: the connection that you have with them and the confidence
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  Speaker 2: that they have in you that you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to help them. And if you don't have that
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  Speaker 2: in you, they're not going to have that in you.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So when you go on your own to when
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  Speaker 1: you go out on your own, where are you living
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  Speaker 1: at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I was in La I think I was in the
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  Speaker 2: belly at the time, so nearest to York City.
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  Speaker 1: And were you intimidated or were you just so sure
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  Speaker 1: that it was the right feeling for you, it was
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  Speaker 1: the right decision for you.
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  Speaker 2: At the time. I was just it came to a
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  Speaker 2: point where it almost like clicked in my head where
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  Speaker 2: it was like I'm quitting, And what happened? I actually
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  Speaker 2: I my Instagram was building at the time, okay, And
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  Speaker 2: so that had been building before even when I was
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  Speaker 2: in grad school and then and after grad school, like
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  Speaker 2: people loved the education, and so I just kept educating,
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  Speaker 2: and the more I educated, the more people came to me,
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  Speaker 2: and we're asking to work with me personally.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just recap really quick, like what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with your Instagram? So your Instagram name is doc gen
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  Speaker 1: Fit and how many people are following.
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  Speaker 2: You on Instagram?
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  Speaker 1: Over five hundred thousand, okay, and back at this time,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Back when I quit? It was probably over one hundred I.
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  Speaker 1: Think, And at that time that's a lot, Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was because what year were we even in at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Three and a half years ago?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So like let's just say four years ago. Yeah, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that's like even I mean, Instagram has been a
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  Speaker 1: big thing for a while, but I feel like now
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  Speaker 1: versus three years ago, completely different beast. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: look at the things that I was posting three years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and like it's a pair of like Hunter rainboots on
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  Speaker 1: the stairs and they're like poorly colored and awful.
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing what I'm doing today basically for the
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  Speaker 2: last four years.
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  Speaker 1: So when someone goes to your page, what is it
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  Speaker 1: that they were going to see.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of education about the body is the main
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  Speaker 2: thing I think that's there, and I think that I
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  Speaker 2: had attracted a lot of people. But then also it's
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  Speaker 2: spurts of me because I've had so many lessons through life.
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  Speaker 2: And I always say, like, you don't have to be
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  Speaker 2: the person who hit rock bottom in order to learn,
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  Speaker 2: if you just open your eyes and open your ears,
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  Speaker 2: you can learn from other people and what they've been
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  Speaker 2: through and their mistakes if you take the time and
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  Speaker 2: you're willing to learn. When Instagram started building for me,
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  Speaker 2: it was purely on fitness, and that didn't happen because
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  Speaker 2: I went from like fat to fit. I've all literally
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  Speaker 2: my entire life have been basically fit. I had to
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  Speaker 2: be in a sport early on. I did gymnastics for
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  Speaker 2: nine years, started teaching plates after that. Like, I've always
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  Speaker 2: had this just healthier lifestyle, and that's been I'm grateful
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  Speaker 2: that that had been promoted for me through my parents
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  Speaker 2: and through family, but it didn't grow because of something
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  Speaker 2: hitting rock bottom and I didn't, you know, fail school,
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  Speaker 2: and then because like it just so, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that you have to fail in order to learn. But
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  Speaker 2: I've had failures in my life and personal failures throughout
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  Speaker 2: my life and things that I've learned and so me
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  Speaker 2: being able to show that and share that and be
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  Speaker 2: open with that has helped so many people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably been very therapeutic for you as well,
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  Speaker 1: because when you're so busy putting out only certain things,
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  Speaker 1: you're painting either what could be a perfect picture, or
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  Speaker 1: you're leaving a big part of who you are out
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  Speaker 1: from this larger community. It almost feels a little bit suffocating.
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  Speaker 1: Or even though it's not like you're necessarily lying, it's
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  Speaker 1: like by withholding that part of you, it's like it
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  Speaker 1: feels suppressive. I think that's how I feel. I mean
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  Speaker 1: everyone viewsed obviously social media a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 2: But everyone will use it differently, and that's totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: For me.
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  Speaker 2: It's like who I am. I want to be able
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  Speaker 2: to show up on screen and in person the same way,
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  Speaker 2: and I want you to feel and get that same
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  Speaker 2: experience for me. And you're not going to get that
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  Speaker 2: just through education. You're going to get that through my
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  Speaker 2: personal life as well, and through my lessons and through
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  Speaker 2: my downfalls, right, And so being able to share that
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  Speaker 2: for me has just felt very through integrity, which is
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  Speaker 2: what I value so much, and authenticity and that's what
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to share and show.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say because you said it first? It was
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  Speaker 1: just like the fitness stuff. Would you say that you
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  Speaker 1: can remember when you started to get more vulnerable and
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  Speaker 1: show more of yourself on your page.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, especially when I started Instagram, I was so
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  Speaker 2: self conscious and judgmental of myself and probably others if
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  Speaker 2: I'm judging myself and probably judging others. And I was
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  Speaker 2: just I was hid behind my insecurities. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: once my Instagram started growing and people started coming to
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  Speaker 2: my page, I was like, oh, okay, now I don't
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  Speaker 2: post any selfies and I don't post any pictures of myself, Like,
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  Speaker 2: let's just look at what my body can do, not
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  Speaker 2: who I am. So I used my fitness and my
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  Speaker 2: handstands and all these cool things and calisthenics and AcroYoga
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  Speaker 2: that I was learning and all these things to hide
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  Speaker 2: behind who I actually am, and so I wasn't showing myself.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember doing a challenge during that time with
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  Speaker 2: two other girlfriends, and we did one where it was like,
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  Speaker 2: what are your insecurities? Show a picture of your insecurities?
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  Speaker 2: Now do they? How do they affect you? How do
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  Speaker 2: they affect others? How do you think that will affect
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  Speaker 2: the community around you? And it asked all these questions
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  Speaker 2: throughout a span of like five to seven days, and
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  Speaker 2: that was like the most engagement I had gotten at
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  Speaker 2: that time, was me exposing myself in that way, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what people actually want to see, the
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  Speaker 2: real stuff they want to see, like what I'm insecure
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  Speaker 2: about and don't feel comfortable with it. It was shocking
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  Speaker 2: to me and that would so that was like my
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  Speaker 2: first telltale sign of like people actually want the real you,
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  Speaker 2: and what you think is is bad and what you're
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  Speaker 2: insecure about is so silly compared to what other people think.
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  Speaker 2: But it still took me a while, and I would
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  Speaker 2: say it wasn't until like maybe two years ago that
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  Speaker 2: I actually started to show myself a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: and a low photographers to take photos of my face
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  Speaker 2: like I used to even not, no, I'm not doing
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  Speaker 2: something cool, like don't take a photo of me, Like
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  Speaker 2: let me get into a pose, let me get into position.
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  Speaker 2: I was just so insecure and was so afraid of
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  Speaker 2: judgment is where I was at.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hard place to be.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So it was it was It took a lot of
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: just working on me and being okay and being real
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: and aware of how I was talking to myself, was
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: allowing permission and for other people to talk that way
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: about themselves.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: So tell me about what the transition was like going
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: from the clinic to doing it on your own.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So at the time, you know, so many
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: people had been reaching out to me, working with me personally.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: And then I got asked to do a photo shoot
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and it happened to be on a Saturday, and so
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I was able to do it. But then I thought
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to myself, what if this wasn't on a Saturday. What
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: if this was on a weekday and I've had to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: turn down things that were during the week because I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: was working right, And so it just as soon as
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that photo shoot ended, I texted my bosses and I said, hey,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: can we speak on Monday? And immediately there was like
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: three of them that were kind of running the clinic,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And immediately I got a text back from one of
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: them and it was like, please don't leave us, because
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I think they knew, and I just it was that
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: moment that I just decided, what am I doing here?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: So I can always come back here? I have a career.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I don't have a job. I have a career. I'm
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: grateful enough to have gone and done the work and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: become a doctor of physical therapy. I have something that
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I can go back to in so many different settings.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: So why not take the chance right now to take
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: a leap of faith and see what I can do
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: on my own? And so I literally went in on
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Monday and gave them a week's notice. Would even like
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to I was just like, listen, I have so much
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I need to figure out right now, and I have
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: people already wanting to work with me. I'm not taking
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: anyone from your clinic. This is all separate, but I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: have a lot to figure out because now I'm going
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: on on my own. I have to know what legally
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: is like appropriate and right and just so much. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: so I was like I'm so sorry, like this is
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: what I can give you, And they're like, okay, like
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: what can you say? You know, like you can't really
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I can walk. I mean I can give you two
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: weeks and just not show up the last week. So
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: they it ended up being all good and I can
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: talk to them anytime. Yeah, it's still great.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: The thing that's also interesting about what you're saying, is
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that you had this like aha moment where you were like, Okay,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I know this is what I need to do. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people might share that experience, but
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: don't take the leap of faith because they're so scared
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of the possible repercussions intimidating to go out on your own.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, But would you say you had a lot
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of things kind of figured out or were you just
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: completely winging it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of people in my corner, so
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I had people who had done this before that I
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: could reach out to and say, Okay, what kind of
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: intake forms did you make, what kind of legal actions
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: did you need? What do I need to set up?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: So I had a lot of people that I could
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: turn to. Before this, I was listening to podcasts of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: pets who had gone out on their own. I was listening.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was doing the work, and I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: already building my own clientele on the side, because not
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: only just working in the clinic, but on the days
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that I got off at around like three point thirty,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: there was two days out of the week that I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: got off a little earlier, I would go to a
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: CrossFit nearby cross at Santa Monica, and I would leave
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: cards there, work on the manager for free, and I
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: was able to take clients and so and yeah, you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: pay a little bit of but it's nothing to be
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: able to get that experience, and Okay, what would this
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: be like to have my own clients? So I didn't
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: just go out cold turkey, right, And I didn't go
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: out when other people told me that I should go out,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: because there were other people who were like, see, I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: knew you would go out on your own and you'd
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: be just fine, and you should have done this a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: while ago. But I needed to go when it was
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: time for me, and I felt comfortable enough to say,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I don't need this kind of mentorship. I have other
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: people I can turn to now for mentorship. And I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: had built a network of people who were doing it
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: on their own that I could turn to. And I
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: was having so many people just coming to me because
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I was naturally marketing on Instagram without even meaning to.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: So I think there were so many things in place
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that it was just it was not just a cold
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Turkey thing. And I think that's the misconception sometimes is
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: that people think, like, Okay, I'm just going to quit
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: my job and go do something I'm passionate about. And
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: it's like, yes, and have you tested that up right?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Have you worked out on the side, Do you know
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that it's going to work? Have you built people around
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: you who could support you and help you if there
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: are times where it goes slow?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: What are you going to do in those times? So
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I think you need to have something set up where
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you've at least tested the waters and you know for
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: yourself this is wanted. I'm great at it and people.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Are going to come right. And I think the other
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: thing that can be a little bit overwhelming when you're
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: on your own again being so self reliant and also
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: mentally preparing for any of the situations that could come.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And this doesn't just mean like a lull in business.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It could mean a hard thing you're going through emotional totally,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and then you're dealing with so much struggle and turmoil.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And I remember after my last breakup, I had my
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: mom come into the city like the day after, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: we literally just spent the entire day like not even talking,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: just cleaning my apartment. I just like needed her to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: be around and I didn't really want to talk about anything,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and I probably did that that day with her, maybe
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the next day, the next day, I think I got
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: out of town. And when you're a freelancer and you're
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: not working for four or five days, you have to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: understand like, Okay, you need to do this, this is
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: what you need to do now. But no one's just
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: going to pay you to be who you are for
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: four or five days. People will pay you to do
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: things and work and try hard. Is really overwhelming for me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I mean, And that's what you know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: When I went through my breakup in the beginning of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: this year, it was like, oh my god, I'm so
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: fortunate that I had the opportunity that I could be
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like I'm going to lay in bed or I'm going
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to go call up a friend and be with a
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: friend all day, where if you are working at nine
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to five, you know you can't just sit there and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: feel bad for yourself. And I was able to still
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: work and do what I needed to do. Just on
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a different level, Yeah, that I need to take care
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: of myself too.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I think what's interesting being such a public person is
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that when shit hits the fan for me, I feel
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the need to completely retract just to protect myself, so
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that need to feel as though I want to completely retract,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: knowing that by completely retracting, I could be missing out
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: on opportunities. It felt overwhelming for me. I don't know
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: if that felt like that for you.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: You know. I think it depended Luckily at the time,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it was like my breakup was like five days before Christmas.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So lucky and not lucky. I've got to be around
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Family interesting perspective, lucky and not lucky.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Not lucky because it's holidays, it's raf, it's a lot,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you know, and then you're going to have a lot
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of people asking you questions. Yeah, But then lucky as well,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: just that I had family and friends that I could
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: be around so much, and there's not as much do
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you going on in business time right in the holidays,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So lucky in that sense, But I did. I think
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: it was like I did a New Year's challenge right
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: in January that was so hard for me to launch
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and actually be present too, because I was not here emotionally,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and that was that was a really hard thing to do.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: But then within that month I did go to different
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: conferences and I just allowed myself to be with my
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: friends and be present and if I need and I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: was so lucky as well to be surrounded by people
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: that are absolutely amazing and women who if I needed
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to cry, I could cry. If I needed to rent
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and scream, I could do that. If I just wanted
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to sit and be, they would just allow that. If
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I was a little moody, they allowed that and didn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: take it personally, like, I am so so grateful that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I've surrounded myself with this inner circle that allows.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Me to be me, and that's so special. I don't
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: think I've ever said this on the pod before, so
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it's weird to say this out loud, but I definitely
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: when I went through my last breakup, I thought that, like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: they were my person. And when that happened, and you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to like get out of that environment
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and then look back on it, you ask yourself, like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: what was it about this person that I thought that
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: they were my person? Did you feel like that?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It was the greatest lesson I've ever been through, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for it. It was hard. It was
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a hard lesson, for sure, but at the same time,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: when I when it's not just like what is it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: about that person? But what is it about me that
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: drew that person in? What is it about me that
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: felt the need to stay? What is it about me
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that felt like I'm going to drop maybe some things
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: that were really important to me, some of my biggest
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: values in order to maintain this is my person. So
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: what was that in me that felt the need to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: do that? And that's where I really got to go
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: into And that's where I really got to be super introspective.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm blessed to have friends that are coaches and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: therapists and people that I can call that would literally
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I would get off the phone and be like, oh,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: oh weight, just lift it off my heart like it was.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm so blessed. And then I went to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Christine Hustler's retreat as well and got to release a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: lot of pain and anger in that and being in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a space that would just hold space for that and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: realizing that as well, like a lot of women don't
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: have practices that just allow you to release anger, Like
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: where do we go to release ainger? If you you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you definitely don't want to do it in public or
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: else you're crazy? But are you at home screaming into
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a pillow? Are you maybe beating up your bed sometimes,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Like I think there needs to be some practices and
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: know that that is okay. Men go and often you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: they have combat sports, they have even watching things on
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: sports on TV and they're yelling and they're getting angry,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and they have a lot more ways that they can release,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: where unless you're going to go to a kickboxing class
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: or you know, you have to start building in practices.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I think that physically allow you to release as well
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: or else we hold it in the body.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And that's interesting because I mean a lot of people
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: will lean into something like yoga, which is beautiful and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: so great for the mind, and like I feel absolutely
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: wonderful when I walk out of my favorite hot yoga class.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But to your point about like just physically releasing aggression,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess for me, I do that when
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm running really fast, Like that's how I feel like
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I can just like put it all out there on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the table.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But I guess I've never really thought about this idea
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of just like physically letting go of the things that
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: feel pent up inside.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing. At Christine Hasler's retreat, we
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: did what she calls an anger burn and allowing a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: bunch of women to just let go in that way.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: What happens to so powerful?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say, because you would have to go,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: but it's it's it's extremely powerful.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I imagine it to be like tearing too music class,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: when everyone's like doing synchronized jumping jacks and burpies and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: yelling out loud. It just feels it feels like that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It feels like that a little bit more individualized.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so even on my birthday this year, I
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: got a group of about twenty twenty five women, I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: think a lot came out and we went to this
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: place in La called Rage Ground Whoa, and we got
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to just hit a bunch of things, break things.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Just you pay by the hour to like pick the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: things that you want to destroy. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: The thoughts a thing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You go into rooms, right and you can literally just
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: hit stuff.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can take whatever music you want to
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: listen to and just go ham.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: The recommend it. The hurdlers that live in like Tennessee
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: are like, this is what happens in big cities.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing, Like I think it needs
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to happen more and a lot of times people don't
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: understand how much physical pain is related to what's happening emotionally.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And that is the majority of what I'm doing with
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: clients in person now, especially because I rarely work with
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: people in person anymore, so when I do, it's usually
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: like chronic pain and they've been to every practitioner, no
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: one's helping them and all this stuff. Guess what, it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: not the practitioner. We all, almost all of us want
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to help people and have different techniques in order to
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: do that. A lot of techniques are overlapping, and it's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of similarity. So it's not
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the practitioner. It's that maybe they weren't able to connect
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you deep enough into what's happening. Because after six months,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: after three months, your body's really good at healing itself,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: very good. So if something continues to pop up, what
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: else is happening? There's something else. And a lot of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: people when I get them connecting back into their mind
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and their brain and what's happening, a lot of people
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: end up crying on my table, right because pain is emotional,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and when we're actually able to connect that and That's
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: why I say I talk about releasing pain physically as well.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Go home and see what it feels like to scream
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: out something that you're upset about into a pillow. See
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: what it feels like to kneel down in front of
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: your bed, just start pounding on your bed and see
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: if your shoulder pain goes away like And I've also
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: been in workshops where it is just about body movement
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and moving and one woman was like, one of the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: women said, you know, if I've been through PT for
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the last life three months for my frozen shoulder, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: this helped to open up my range emotion and give
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: me way more relief than any of the PTA has.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And that's only because you're able to release and move
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: your body and feel emotions again.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: So during your hurtle moment getting through this breakup, how
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: would you say that you were coping? What were you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: doing to kind of give back to you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Listening to exactly what my body needs. And that's the thing.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: We don't take the time usually to listen to what
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: our body actually needs. It's usually I'm going to listen
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to everyone else around me because you're worth listening to.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: But we're not saying that to our body. Our body
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: is worth listening to. This is our one body that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: we have to move us forward in this lifetime wherever
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you go, so you have to take the time to listen.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: So for me, it was actually slowing down in the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: first like three weeks. I don't think I worked out once,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: which is so not me, Like I am a workout fiend,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and it's what makes me feel better. And you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I just I needed to be and allow that and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: not judge myself for not working out and not make
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: up stories about it and just say this is what
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: my body needs right now. And you know what, a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: lot of the times when we're feeling a pain or
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: something's happening within the body, it's usually that we're neglecting
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: something and we actually need to add something back into
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: our lives. So whether that's more sleep, more greens, more water,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: more movement, more rest, whatever it may be, think of
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: it as what am I not adding? What am I
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: not aware of that my body needs and it's actually
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: what I wear my rest. Like awareness is the number
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: one thing for everything. If we don't have awareness and
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: how we're treating another human or how we're treating ourselves,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: we don't know what we need to move into and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: what we need to add in. And that's the same
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: thing with the body, Like your pain is happening because
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you're neglecting something in your life.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I wear a bracelet on my wrist that says have
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: high effing standards, And every day I look down, I'm like, yes,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: like you should. And sometimes when I'm just like staring
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: into space and thinking about something, I like glance at
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: it at the right time and I'm like, yeah, what
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: are you doing? M Like, come back to it now.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So I totally feel that did you have kind of
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: what I like to refer to as like an aha
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: moment when you came into realizing how much worth you
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: have after feeling so worthless?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, honestly it happened really soon.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So I have done a lot of personal development work
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: on myself and emotional intelligence workshops and all that kind
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: of stuff through the relationship because I was seeking a lot.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I did keep saying, Okay, maybe it's meat, maybe it's me.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: What can I learn? What can I do? What can
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I How can I grow? How can I I? And
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I did so much work on myself that when everything
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: finally happened and it was an immense amount of betrayal.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: But when that happened, it was a light bumb click.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh duh, because I wasn't like listening
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: to myself. And the thing was the biggest lesson and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the thing I'm so grateful for is what came out
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: for me was I can trust me. And I think
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that is what people don't listen to the most, is
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that we're seeking other people or social media or tell
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: me what to do, tell me how to do it,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: tell me what I should say, tell me, tell me
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: what decision I should make, because I don't know. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it's not that you don't know, it's that you're not trusting.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And there was always something. There was always some kind
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: of resistance within the relationship. There was always something that
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I was uncertain about or didn't trust and didn't fill
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: aligned with, or felt like something was off or felt
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: like I needed to ask questions about something and I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: would be made wrong about it a lot of the time.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And so when that finally happened, it was like, oh
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: my gosh, I can trust myself. That intuition that I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: had that was telling me something is not right here,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: that was right the entire.
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  Speaker 1: can relate. I feel that hard. I think what becomes
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  Speaker 1: an issue when you're going through the pain and trying
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to really digest what's going on and learn how to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: move forward. Is that before you get to the place
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: where you're like, I can trust myself, you go through
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a period of anger that you didn't do it sooner?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, totally, especially when you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: look back at all the times where you're like, something
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: feels what's going on? Or why like why didn't I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: speak to you for a day and a half and
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: why am I made to feel needy that I wanted
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to speak to the person that I'm giving myself to
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: over the course of forty hours, Like whatever the case
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: may be, you go through a period where you're angry
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: that you didn't just walk sooner.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Totally, But what is the point in continuing the circle
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: of judgment on yourself that's only holding you back. The
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: only way to move forward is to start to say,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I forgive myself for whatever that may be. I forgive
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: myself for not walking away sooner. I forgive myself for
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: not acknowledging this sooner. I forgive myself for not trusting myself.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And when you can really like, for me, writing became
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: super powerful and I guide people back to that often
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: because it's one thing to say it, it's another thing
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to see it and write it and repeat it over
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and over again.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So what were you writing?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: A lot of what I was writing is just likes
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that were coming up for me and things that I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: need to forgive myself on. Or if I had a
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: dream about something, why was I having that dream? What
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: did that mean for me? And really being able to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: process through a lot of that just helped in general.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, last year, I got shingles because I was
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: going through so much emotionally and was not willing to
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: acknowledge and own it. And so my body manifested shingles
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: because I knew that something was not right, that something
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: was out of alignment, but I wasn't willing to really
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: own it and stand up to it. And I knew
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that I was feeling off and all this other stuff.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Until I got shingles, my body decided to talk to me.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And I've had so many other instances where I've talked
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: to people, and not just my men, but people where
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: they say I've had autoimmune diseases that were coming up
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. I finally acknowledged what
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was happening in my relationship in all one way. Yeah, listen,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: my journey's not going to look like your journey and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: that's okay. Like so many people would ask me, you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: like how did you get through it so fast? And
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know that I did. And I
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: still think I'm processing and healing and it still will
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: be a process and that's okay. And I'm not judging
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: myself for that. And I'm lucky to have met a
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: human as well who is so not judging me for
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: it as well and open to be like if I
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: need to talk about things, I can.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: That's really special, so special. I mean at this time,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: when did you feel like you were like in a
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: good place to get really I mean you said you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: were going to conferences and stuff. Yeah, so like getting
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: back really into your work.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: That also ebbed and flowed. I still don't feel like
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent back like I was last year,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: where that was like all I had to focus on
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: because I was so uncertain about the relationship and not
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: knowing to go there. That I just threw myself into
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: work and was really able to thrive in that that
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I still don't feel like one hundred percent back into
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that same mode. So I don't I think it's it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: ebbed and flowed.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I also think what's important about this message between like
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the ebb and flow of your emotions and then the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: ebb and flow of your your work and your business
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: is that it's okay to feel like you're making progress
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: but not be completely over the hump, Like there are
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: going to be times where you do need to go
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: back and do more work. We're always constantly doing the work,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: but it's okay to get upset about something even though
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: it's been a while.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And it's okay to have these great moments and then
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: have these bad moments and then have these great moments again.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, like it's going to be a constant process,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: like it's a journey. It's not just like one day
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: everything's going to be one hundred percent fine.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And I think if you're waiting for that to happen,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: you're going to be very disappointed. Yeah, because when moments
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: come up that you feel strat or down or don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like can't move forward and work or whatever it may be,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be in beat up mode and judgment even
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: more and it's going to hold you back even more.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: So there's no point in doing.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: That so then what are your goals looking forward right now?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Right now, it's really just about continuing to surround myself
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: with the people that mean the most to me and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: continue to just like this week, coming back from all
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: my vacations I was gotten for like three weeks, was
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I just felt a whole wave of gratitude and appreciation.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And I actually started my Monday by sending out videos
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of gratitude to the people that some I haven't talked
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: to in a long time, and some I'm like, are
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: you still my friend? Or is there a division now
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: because of ending a relationship and just being uncertain, And
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: so actually I was scared to send some of these
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: messages out to people that I haven't talked to in
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a while. So I just felt this wave of appreciation
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: for where I've come to and who has actually been
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: there for me and who's been willing to show up
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: through their own journeys, And so I just sent out
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: a bunch of videos. And that's how I've got my
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: week started, was an appreciation of who is in my life,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and I think continuing to focus on that right now
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and surrounding myself with amazing humans who inspire me and
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: allow me to be seen and knowing that I'm in
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: alignment with who is in my life and how I
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: want to push my business forward in terms of getting
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: people back into listening to themselves, tuning in and relieving pain.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: When you think about the last seven eight months, you're
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: giving a lot of really practical and great advice for
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: anyone who feels like they might be going through a
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: similar experience. But what would you say has been one
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: of the best pieces of advice that someone has you
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: during this time.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's really just about forgiving myself and allowing that's been
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing. Your body knows your you know deep down,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: your intuition, your gut, your soul, you know what you
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: need for you, And so don't judge yourself based on
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: what another human is doing or what it looks like
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: on social media. Be with who you are and forgive
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: yourself for judging yourself.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I remember I was in a visa and doing some
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: workshops with the team under Armor, and the woman asked
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: us to write down like the places that we call home,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and at the end of it, she was like, the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: most interesting thing was that, like none of you said yourself,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Like none of you said your body, None of you said,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: your mind, you're listing like the house you grew up
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: in and where you live now. And it's so interesting
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: because so many of us we don't even associate the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: fact that, like, we only have two homes in our life,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: that's really constant to be our body in our mind.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: We don't take the time to invest in those so
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: easy to buy a couch so easy, well most of
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the time, yeah, a really good one, or you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: something for the wall in your home, but not necessarily
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to take the time and invest in things like talking
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to someone or you know, obviously workout classes are expensive
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. Like, we make all
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: these excuses as to why we can't give back to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: ourselves when it comes to our physical and mental health.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But what happens if the excuses went up the window.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: What happens if we started to prioritize that the way
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that we prioritize getting the nice gallery wall or putting
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the TV where it's supposed to be or mounting it
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really coming back to perspective too, and appreciation.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Every one of my challenges include appreciation for our body
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that we have, because why move, why do anything unless
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I appreciate what I have. And I don't think we're
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: going to take the time to say, oh, I understand
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: why I need mobility back in my life, I understand
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: why I need breath work and foundational staff back in
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: my life unless I appreciate what I have right now
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and going through PT school. I am blessed and lucky
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to have been around and exposed to people who have
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: been born with challenges or things that we look at
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: as disease, and they don't live like that. Like a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: young a man who has cerebral palsy, so many contractors
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: all over his body, lives in a wheelchair, and yet
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: he lived by himself and watching him get himself down
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: and back into his wheelchair like he wants to do
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: it all on his own. And when he got too
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: big to lift himself back into his wheelchair, he started
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: swimming with his therapist to lose weight. And it's it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: taking appreciation for like and not just saying oh, well,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: if they could do it, I can do it, but
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: it's realizing, oh, they're actually saying, Okay, this is what
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: my body has, I'm going to utilize it fully to
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: its max power. How much are we.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Doing that right? It's like that all it takes is
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: all you've got mentality. But a lot of the time
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: people aren't willing to give it all they've got.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got out of bed. Yeah you're sat up,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: you're listening to this podcast, your feet are on the floor. Like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: we have so much to be appreciative of.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: For sure, I want you just momentarily to put your
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: doc gen Fit hat on, because I feel like there's
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: just like a couple of things I need to ask
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you about about the body while I have you the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: first and foremost. A lot of people don't take the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: time to do anything when it comes to mobility or
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: kind of like stretching and things like that. For like,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I work out four to five times a week. I
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like to move my body. They aren't taking any of
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the time to like give themselves a little bit of TLC.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Like what's like a light thing that you like tell
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: people to do for themselves.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: One of the first things I always bring people back
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: to is breathwork, and it's there's so many different types
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: of breath work. The number one thing that I want
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you to just come back to is like literally before
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: you go to bed, take five to ten minutes. Place
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: your hands on your low ribcage and your pillows underneath
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: your knees. Get yourself comfortable, and take really slow breadths.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: So talking about breathing in through your nose and then
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: breathing out through your mouth for even longer. So maybe
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it's like four seconds and through your nose, eight seconds
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: out through your mouth and taking that time and maybe
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: it then comes back to only nose breathing. Nose breathing
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: is where is our primary respiratory place. That's where we
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: should be breathing all day long. When we're expelling through
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: our mouth too much, that's when we're losing too much
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: carbon dioxide and we're not getting oxygen throughout our body. Actually,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: but if we can take that time to slow down,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: we turn on our pair sympathetic system. And when we
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: turn on this rest relaxed digest state, we actually are
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: improving our fluids that move through our body. We're you
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: know which, if once we improve our fluids, that's our glide.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: So that's automatically going to improve your mobility. Can't touch
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: your toes, try breathing, and then not only that, but
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: it's going to decrease our levels of stress, So it's
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: going to automatically take down your QUARTERSOL levels. So especially
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: if you're running your own business or in a job
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: that's just super stressful environment, or in a surrounded by
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: people that are a lot, or maybe you have kids
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: that are screaming all the time, Like all of these
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: things are stress. Or you sit in traffic and whatever
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: it may be, Like, we all have moments of stress.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So coming back to this place of breath work and
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: focusing on that long exhale, that is your place to live.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And I say low ribcage because you want to feel
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that low ribcage expand it's not just about belly breathing.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: It's about literally expanding in a three sixty pattern from
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: your belly to your sides and your back and getting
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: out of like a dominant chest or lifting of the shoulders.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, breath work.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I take people back to number one.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: It's going to relieve pain because it also not only
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: is it going to relieve quarters sol from being able
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: to go out throughout the body, but it decreases that
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: sensitivity that you have on your nerves as well, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that nerves is what is sensing your pain. So if
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: you can get into breathwork on a regular basis, I guarantee.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Your pain is going to start to go down aside
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: from the shingles and sin. Did you ever have any
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: personal injury yourself that you have to work through using
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: your background as well?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've had lots of things. It surprises
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: people sometimes. I have scoliosis. I didn't know that until
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: when I was teaching plates at a chiropractic office. They
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: finally did examine on me and I saw an X
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: ray and I was like, you're punking me, Like that's
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: not my body and it was because it was like
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: this whole s curve and I was like, wow, I
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: have scoliosis. I had no idea, Like I knew one
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: shoulder was higher, but I just thought it was how
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I worked out or some things very different. And it
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: turns out a lot a lot of us have functional ascoliosis.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And why do we expect the outside to be perfectly
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: symmetrical when our insides are not symmetrical, Like our organs
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: are all over the place, and even you know, our
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: diaphragms are going to be different sizes, and so we
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: just can't expect everything to be perfectly symmetrical, and that's
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: not what we're necessarily going for. We're going for function.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: We're going for being able to move within your body
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that you've been given and hopefully not have as much
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: pain while we're doing it. So yeah, I've had different
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Like I have a shoulder blade thing on my right
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: side that pops up every once in a while, so
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that really pops up mainly in stress. I remember going
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: and I had a car accident. Everyone was fine, I
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: was fine, but immediately my right shoulder pain like came on,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, that's so cool
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: because I know that that's just from stress, and the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: moment I was able to acknowledge it and know that
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: it came from my stress levels rather than a physical pain,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: it went away.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: So how cool is it that we can we can
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: allow that to pain can go away if we just
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: acknowledge and are aware of where it's coming from.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And I think for me, it's like one thing to
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: acknowledge it, but then I also feel like I have
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to do something about it. So that's kind of where
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: it comes back to that breathwork idea. For me, I'm like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I am so stressed I was like, the one thing
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I will look forward to now is like I want
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to go to yoga on Thursday, and at least by
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: putting myself in the room. When I get to yoga,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I'm acknowledging that I'm kind of freaking
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: out and this is now my our dedicated time to
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: just acknowledge it and breathe and like you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be okay totally.
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  Speaker 2: Because the thing is like we're taught that pain is bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's not bad. We need pain. If we don't have
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  Speaker 2: pain in the body, that is an really important alarm
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  Speaker 2: system that if that's not going off, other things will
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  Speaker 2: start to escalate. Then if we don't don't know that
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  Speaker 2: an organ like organs can refer pain to your back
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  Speaker 2: or to your insights or to different parts. And if
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  Speaker 2: you don't feel that kind of pain, you don't know
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  Speaker 2: that something deeper can be happening. So if we don't
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  Speaker 2: have pain, that's actually bad. So when pain happens, acknowledge it,
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  Speaker 2: be appreciative of it that your body is actually talking
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we need.
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  Speaker 2: To learn how to communicate with our bodies, not fight
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  Speaker 2: our bodies, because the moment that the pain comes on,
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  Speaker 2: then it becomes a stressful thing. And that's typically what happens, like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't have time for this. Why
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  Speaker 2: is this happening?
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  Speaker 1: Dad?
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  Speaker 2: Da da. All I'm doing is increasing my corso levels.
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  Speaker 2: All I'm doing is increasing my stress, telling my nerves
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  Speaker 2: to be on fire even more, telling my body to
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  Speaker 2: lock up, be on guard because something terrible is happening.
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  Speaker 2: All that's gonna do increase that a moment and experience
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  Speaker 2: of pain.
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  Speaker 1: It's not gonna help, not gonna help. Okay, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to like, if you had to offer one other
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  Speaker 1: piece of advice aside from the breath work suggestion to
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  Speaker 1: the hurdlers, what would you tell them that they should
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  Speaker 1: could be doing more of.
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  Speaker 2: Just moving more throughout the day. Anytime we become static,
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  Speaker 2: that's where it's the problem. So it's and I don't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily go back to do an hour of mobility a day,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm not going to do that. I don't expect
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  Speaker 2: you to do that. But can you sprinkle it in
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  Speaker 2: before you get out of bed? Can you do a
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  Speaker 2: couple of rotations for your spine while you're at work?
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  Speaker 2: Can you get out of your chair and grab on
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  Speaker 2: your chair and do some stretches standing up while you're
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  Speaker 2: waiting for the coffee. Can you do some upper chest
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  Speaker 2: stretches against the doorway or the wall before you go
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  Speaker 2: work out? Can you get on the floor and move
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  Speaker 2: around for your hips and your feet? Like, can you
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  Speaker 2: sprinkle it in on a daily basis, because it's more
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: about that sprinkling and that consistency than the one time
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  Speaker 2: a week that you do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's really important. You've definitely inspired
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  Speaker 1: me to do ta spine stretches before I go out
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  Speaker 1: of bed now. But just this idea that it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: need to be you know, an hour time block, a
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  Speaker 1: forty five minute time block, even at thirty twenty ten
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  Speaker 1: minute time block. It can be one minute here, one
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  Speaker 1: minute there. But that's also just like movement in general. Right,
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  Speaker 1: this idea that people are like, well, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: time to go to a workout class, Like okay, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have time, then what do you have time for? Like,
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  Speaker 1: let's be realistic. The other day I had an hour
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  Speaker 1: in between meetings and I was like, I have enough
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  Speaker 1: time to go run two miles. Yep, it's better than
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  Speaker 1: not running at all.
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  Speaker 2: Even when I was in PTA school, we formed a
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  Speaker 2: workout group during lunches and so it would be like
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: six to eight people the time doing a little workout.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we eat for ten minutes before we go back
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  Speaker 2: to class, but like, yeah, you can sit around for
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  Speaker 2: an hour, or you can try and move in your body.
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  Speaker 2: Even when I was at the hospital, there is one
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  Speaker 2: therapist who would just take the stairs up and down
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  Speaker 2: all throughout lunch, and so I would go with her.
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  Speaker 2: There's always room to move and it doesn't have to
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  Speaker 2: look like it's add a workout. It can just be walking. Literally.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, winding down here, you have the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity right now to offer the gen who's going through
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  Speaker 1: her hurdle moment, who's feeling all this pain, one piece
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  Speaker 1: of advice. Looking back on it, now, what do you
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  Speaker 1: tell her?
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  Speaker 2: Trust yourself?
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