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The Glory is in Your Story: with writer + comedian Chelsea Devantez · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe and each week my guests
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  Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on pretty.
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  Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. Pretty Smart is a love letter
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  Speaker 1: to women with something to say. I think of these
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  Speaker 1: intros as my love letters to my guests, and their
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  Speaker 1: stories really feel like a love letter to us. Today's
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  Speaker 1: is just a love letter to women with determination. Our
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  Speaker 1: guest is Chelsea Davontes. She's an Emmy nominated writer, a comedian,
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  Speaker 1: and filmmaker. Most recently, she was John Stewart's head writer
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  Speaker 1: for the Problem with John Stewart on Apple TV Plus,
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  Speaker 1: which she eventually left to begin an overall deal with
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  Speaker 1: twentieth Century Fox to develop her own TV shows. But
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  Speaker 1: Chelsea's story and begin as glamorous as all of those
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  Speaker 1: accolades or accomplishments might make it sound.
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  Speaker 2: I'm definitely the stereotype of like tragedy turns to comedy.
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  Speaker 2: I always remember how painful it was to know you
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  Speaker 2: deserved a chance and not get what and like that
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  Speaker 2: feeling like.
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  Speaker 3: Sticks with me.
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  Speaker 1: That feeling is what has in part spurred her to
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  Speaker 1: be a change maker. She's someone who busted the door
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  Speaker 1: of Hollywood open with grit, determination and humor. And instead
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  Speaker 1: of saying that was so hard and shutting the door
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  Speaker 1: like so many do, Chelsea spent her time and energy
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  Speaker 1: retooling a broken system to lift up a group of
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  Speaker 1: people and generations to come.
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  Speaker 2: When I came on to be the head writer, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm so excited for the hiring process.
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  Speaker 3: I always wanted to like turn around and like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to different. This is me opening a door.
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  Speaker 1: I am so inspired by that people who just say
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  Speaker 1: I see something wrong and do something about it.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Chelsea's podcast, Celebrity Book Club discusses celebrity women's memoirs. It's
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  Speaker 1: been downloaded over three million times, and I actually think
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  Speaker 1: that this podcast is the crux of Chelsea's story and lens.
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  Speaker 2: Celebrity memoirs have always been my favorite book genre, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what happens when you're nearest bookstore.
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  Speaker 3: Growing up as a Walmart.
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  Speaker 1: Chelsea is four people, and she's four.
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  Speaker 2: Women, female friendship, husband. What's like lifted me up every
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  Speaker 2: moment of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Today She's lifting all of us up with her story.
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  Speaker 1: So your bio says that you are an atrocious cook.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm horrible.
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  Speaker 1: I had never thought of a word to describe my
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  Speaker 1: cooking before, and it felt right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, it makes me feel better. I
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  Speaker 2: have been banned from the kitchen from my fiance. Really yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's really bad. I've burned myself every time I've tried
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  Speaker 2: to cook. What's your thing? You just can't make anything.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, same, it's just where it's like this, none
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  Speaker 3: of it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: No, I hate it. And everyone's like, oh, like cooking.
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  Speaker 3: If you can cook, it means you're like in touch
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  Speaker 3: with your body, yeah, the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh no, something that I feel guilty about. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because like how can you not be able to feed yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: No, I what do you eat?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'll just eat like handfuls and nuts or like
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  Speaker 2: I love freak food. Anytime they're like go to this
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  Speaker 2: in it like fruits forred I'm like, yes, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to think of a meal.
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  Speaker 1: If it's made for it, it's made for me.
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  Speaker 2: I love taking leftovers because it's like that's all there
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  Speaker 2: will be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well I feel like there's maybe something here in
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  Speaker 1: your childhood, but I actually want to dig into that.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what it was like growing up.
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  Speaker 3: So I grew up all over the Southwest.
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  Speaker 2: We lived in Utah, Colorado, California and Nevada, New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: and New Mexico and New Mexico is where we landed.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the last stop. And that's where my
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  Speaker 3: mom still lives.
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  Speaker 2: So New Mexico is the place I've been the longest,
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  Speaker 2: even though I got there.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you call home.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I call home.
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  Speaker 2: Home is like, yeah, I go home there still for holidays.
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  Speaker 3: I waitress there a bunch after college. I went to
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  Speaker 3: two years of high school there. So I love New Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it was I didn't realize how wild it
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  Speaker 2: was until I grew up.
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  Speaker 1: When you say wild, it was you and your mom.
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  Speaker 3: It was me and my mom and some husbands.
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  Speaker 1: Oh how many three? Okay? And do you mind me
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  Speaker 1: asking about this?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I'm like I have to, you know, love mom,
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  Speaker 3: mom is everything. But yes, please.
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  Speaker 1: So did you feel like were there any male figures
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  Speaker 1: in your life that you respected?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay none?
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  Speaker 2: And it was yeah, I could say, like daddy issues
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  Speaker 2: is definitely like my genre of comedy, which is such
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  Speaker 2: a bomber.
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  Speaker 3: I hate it. It's like, no, why did you put
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  Speaker 3: me here?
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  Speaker 2: But like, I went through so much bad stuff with
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  Speaker 2: like dad figures. I'm taking on the wrong dad figure,
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  Speaker 2: and I wanted to be Daddy's girl so bad and.
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  Speaker 3: Just kept not working out. And then I recreated it in.
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  Speaker 2: My own life, and it took me a very long
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  Speaker 2: time to learn how to trust and love men the
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  Speaker 2: way I've always trusted him.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of comedians say that they became
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  Speaker 1: funny because they were trying to make a sad parent laugh.
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  Speaker 1: Is that at all resonant?
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  Speaker 3: That's close.
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  Speaker 2: I'm definitely the stereotype of like tragedy turns to comedy.
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  Speaker 2: I was not trying to make my mom laugh. I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to get shit done. What are you trying
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  Speaker 2: to get done?
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to get the house in order.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to get us to move, I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to get jobs going. I was like trying to
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  Speaker 2: So I think I found comedy more through processing my
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  Speaker 2: own stuff rather, But I do say I think I
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  Speaker 2: found charisma and being charming from my stepdad from just
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  Speaker 2: trying to you know, get him to calm down.
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  Speaker 1: The get shit done thing is interesting because you're such
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  Speaker 1: a go getter. Is are you at all like grateful
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  Speaker 1: for that a twisted way?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes for sure. Like I you know, we talk
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  Speaker 3: about it a lot of my therapists or she's like
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  Speaker 3: this hole, like, get it done, get it done, get
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  Speaker 3: it done.
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  Speaker 2: Is maybe not always in service of me anymore because
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Think you're a lot like this too, seriously, get it done,
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  Speaker 3: get it done.
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  Speaker 2: But as a kid, it saves me, and I still
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  Speaker 2: really like it now. I find like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: joy in like making art and getting things done, and
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  Speaker 2: like being capable and making sure it can happen, Like
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  Speaker 2: still brings me a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of like joy, even though some of it's a
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  Speaker 3: little unhealthy.
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  Speaker 1: I think progress brings a lot of joy no matter
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  Speaker 1: where it's coming from.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that's totally right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So one of my favorite people in my life
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  Speaker 1: has performed on a cruise ship. Her name is Aaron Robinson.
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  Speaker 1: I worked with her like my first job in LA
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  Speaker 1: So anytime I read about anybody having performed on a
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  Speaker 1: cruise ship.
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  Speaker 3: I have like a very special life. Did you ever
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  Speaker 3: go on it. No, Okay, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: I hate cruises.
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  Speaker 2: They're nightmares. I can't believe they're still going and flourishing.
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  Speaker 1: I went on one one time and I said never again.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm glad I experienced it. It's sort of an
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  Speaker 1: interesting It felt like college to me, Like you get
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  Speaker 1: on the boat and then if you join a sorority,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, who are all these weird people I'm living with? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but then after six months you're like, these are my
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  Speaker 1: weird people?
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  Speaker 3: And community is like that. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I always say working on a cruise ship was the
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  Speaker 2: most amazing thing I would never do again.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, what did you do?
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  Speaker 2: I was a commed I was a performer, was a comedian. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: for the second City.
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  Speaker 3: I was on a.
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  Speaker 2: Cruise ship where we would perform shows every night of
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  Speaker 2: the week.
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  Speaker 1: And cool to do a second city?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh. It was like it was my
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  Speaker 3: first long term pain comedic gig.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was the first time I quit my day
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  Speaker 2: job and was like, I'm a comedian now, and it
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  Speaker 2: led to everything else.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we were on there for four months. We
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  Speaker 3: did the same five stops every trip, and you'd come back.
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  Speaker 3: Maritime law made it so that bottles of wine were
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  Speaker 3: a dollar, beers were twenty five cents.
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  Speaker 2: I spent the cruse and of course it was disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: The red wine was so gross that you'd have to
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  Speaker 2: cut it with the white wine.
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  Speaker 3: And so that concoction really fueled most of the four months.
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  Speaker 1: It's an awesome place to mess up.
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  Speaker 3: It's the only option available.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get on a cruise ship and like
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  Speaker 2: do well or get a lot done, Like you're just
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  Speaker 2: stuck there, Like the only thing you can do is
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  Speaker 2: like wreck your life, wreck someone else's life.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing else to do.
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  Speaker 1: So was that pre Chicago?
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  Speaker 3: That was in Chicago. So I got to Second City.
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  Speaker 1: And for people who don't know, it's like a sort
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  Speaker 1: of like an improv incubator. A lot of SNL people
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  Speaker 1: are plucked from there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, like in our old touring company outros, we would
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  Speaker 2: say something like welcome to the Second City, home of
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  Speaker 2: famous you know, improv alum Tina Fe dan ak Royd.
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  Speaker 3: And you just like go down the list.
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  Speaker 2: And yet so you would write and for all your
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  Speaker 2: own material on their main stage if you made it
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  Speaker 2: to like the top rung. But before that were a
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  Speaker 2: lot of like little opportunities, so you could study there,
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  Speaker 2: you could do their conservatory, and then kind of the
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  Speaker 2: first little baby step was you could get a cruise ship,
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  Speaker 2: and then from the cruise ship, maybe you could get
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  Speaker 2: to tour in a van, and then from there maybe
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  Speaker 2: you could get put in city shows where they would
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  Speaker 2: send you to Baltimore and be like, write jokes about
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  Speaker 2: Baltimore for six.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks and then leave.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Great, Yeah that's all I wanted, And so the cruise
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  Speaker 3: ship was like my dream job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really really cool, and you were willing
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  Speaker 1: to do whatever it takes. It sounds like.
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  Speaker 3: I did way more than I should.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I missed every holiday for like seven years because
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  Speaker 2: I was either performing or I was like someone's gonna
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  Speaker 2: call out and I'll be I'll be here and I'll
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  Speaker 2: get to understudy.
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  Speaker 1: That is so interesting, Yeah, because you're from Chicago. But
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  Speaker 1: I never heard anybody else say that. When I first
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  Speaker 1: moved to LA I wouldn't go home for Christmas because
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, everyone's gonna leave and then they'll call me.
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  Speaker 3: And did it work?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 3: It always works, but you have to kind of destroy
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  Speaker 3: your life. I think that's also why our business makes
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  Speaker 3: people crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Because you have to do things like that, and then
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  Speaker 2: after seven years of doing nothing but that, if it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't pay off, you feel so angry.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, right, it's like, what was it crazy? You have
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  Speaker 1: to make sure you're enjoying the process of it otherwise, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: it's not worth while. Okay, So what pulled you into
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  Speaker 1: Second City originally? Like, I'm so fascinated in how you
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  Speaker 1: knew this is something you could do.
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  Speaker 3: So I grew up.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty sheltered from like art, MTV and comedy, Like we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have TV most of my childhood, Like.
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't really know.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the only option was, like, you could be
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  Speaker 2: Julia Roberts in my best friend's wedding like that, that's
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  Speaker 2: what women can do in this business. And so I
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  Speaker 2: knew I loved entertainment, and.
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  Speaker 1: So I said, like, I guess, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to be an entertainment you go to
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  Speaker 2: like Broadway, Like I had no So I moved to
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  Speaker 2: New York City and I was like, is this.
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  Speaker 3: What you do?
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  Speaker 2: And then when I was in New York City, I
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  Speaker 2: found upright Citizen's Brigade because it was free on Sundays
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  Speaker 2: and the moment I sat in the theater, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I've been looking for the whole time,
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  Speaker 2: and then immediately realized, like, I have so much catching
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  Speaker 2: up to do. And then I looked up comedy classes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Second City had just started, and liber had just
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  Speaker 2: started this program called Comedy Studies. You could do a
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  Speaker 2: study abroad for a semester in Chicago as part of
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  Speaker 2: college and learn everything comedy for college credit. And I
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  Speaker 2: was the third ever semester to do it. And then
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  Speaker 2: from there I was like, Oh, this is what I
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  Speaker 2: want more than anything. So I moved to Chicago from
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  Speaker 2: New York City as soon as I graduated.
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• 13:04
  Speaker 1: So I have this sort of like angst about interviewing
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  Speaker 1: women about being a woman, because that's not fair, Like
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't interview a man about being a.
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  Speaker 3: Man in comedy, right, So I want to like.
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  Speaker 1: Try and not do that. But I'm also so curious
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  Speaker 1: because there are so few women.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, also know what you do. Love being a woman
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  Speaker 3: in comedy. It has been so hard, but.
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  Speaker 2: I love it and it's very specific, and I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, well, you would never ask, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you would never ask a man what it's like to
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  Speaker 2: you know, raise a family and be a Canadian and
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  Speaker 2: it's like yeah, because it's like they've made women do.
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  Speaker 3: That, so they should ask nice so we can like
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  Speaker 3: be loud about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the more we talk about it and
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  Speaker 1: process it, the more we can dismantle it, right, change it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you feel that way too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so you can ask me anything, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I also think there's this term about using your
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  Speaker 1: voice yesally for women. Yes, And it is not lost
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  Speaker 1: on me that you literally use your voice yes as
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  Speaker 1: your profession.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that you had a unique perspective?
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  Speaker 3: That is such a great question?
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  Speaker 2: Not until later, and even what what came first was
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  Speaker 2: just that I could write jokes like I was just
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  Speaker 2: the basic skill set. I was like, oh, I have this,
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  Speaker 2: but I was very afraid to be myself and I
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  Speaker 2: thought I was very weird and I am, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like this is I would. I didn't want people
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  Speaker 2: to see how like odd and hyphem I was. I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to like fit in, and so my voice did
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  Speaker 2: not come out until it was like by accident and.
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  Speaker 3: Then it's snowball, and then I would. Then I eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Realized yes, and by accident means like you couldn't help yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I was so mad at certain things.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like so furious. And then Second City
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  Speaker 2: is all about satire. Satire is all about political justice,
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  Speaker 2: and so I was just so mad at certain political issues.
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  Speaker 3: That I wrote some jokes about them. And then like
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  Speaker 3: through that, like my voice came.
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  Speaker 2: Through, and I came up in the era where it
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  Speaker 2: was still like, oh my gosh, like she said feminist
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  Speaker 2: on stage, like ew, So.
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  Speaker 3: I was still in that moment where it was like turning.
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  Speaker 2: Like I had directors tell me like, your feminist sketch
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  Speaker 2: is not funny and it'll never get last. And then
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: one night they were like, you can try whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want tonight to the cast. So I put my little
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  Speaker 2: feminist sketch up again, and people in the audience lost
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  Speaker 2: their minds because culture had started to shift, and.
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  Speaker 3: No one now it was not long enough ago.
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  Speaker 2: That was probably twenty twelve, okay, maybe even fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so like a few years before Me Too really hit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like four or five years before it was
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  Speaker 2: bubbling it bubblemen, yes, like and you know Broad City
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  Speaker 2: started to come out and girls on HBO and Tina
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Fane and You Poler were hosting award shows and Vanity
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Fair articles were being.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Written by Christopher Higgins being like art women funny. No,
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I made the conclusion.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: So it was like, it was that moment that is
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, do you feel proud looking back?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh, I wish I'm like, Oh my gosh,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I'm I was a genius. I And I only feel
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: proud looking back because it was so horrible in the moment. Like,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: in the moment, I had so much self hatred and
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: doubt and pain and a lot of obstacles and negative
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: feedback and like things in the way. And so now
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: in hindsight for the stuff I created to still be
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: touring now, I feel so proud and I feel so proud.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I withstood it. That's the part I'm so interested in.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: What made like was it just like who you were
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and you couldn't stray from that? Like what in you withstood?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Because it is very difficult to be in a room
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: full of people you admire and have them say that's.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Not funny and to disagree yes yes, And luckily, luckily
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: audience always wins for better or worse. So the moment
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I could get a chance, I had a room full
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: of people laughing and cheering and standing up for it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Had I got on stage and that didn't happen, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: would have had to suffer a lot more and be like, wow,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: it was so wrong, so luckily like, and that's also
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: why I love comedy, because like, a laugh is a laugh,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: is a laugh is a laugh? You know.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a really tough boss one time. Yeah,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and I just couldn't win with him.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And I was asking someone for advice and she said,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: not to quote Gladiator, but win the crowd, win the emperor.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: She was like, ignore him, and did it win the crowd? Yeah?
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: It's great advice, it is.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also you did it, and so did you,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: and also so do evil people.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It can be used for
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: like good and bad equally.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. So part of your work that I feel personally
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: interested in is the pop culture political mix. Yes. Yeah,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: so few people have that because usually you're interested in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: one or the other. Yes.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: How were you able to merge the two and why?
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's because I grew up I am a
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: woman of the trash. Okay, I grew up like and
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: I'm so.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Proud of my background, but like my world was like
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: People Magazine, US Weekly, like standing in the supermarket going through.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Like that's the kind of stuff that like really made
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: it to me.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: But then I was so mad at actual things in
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: my life, like the way my.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Mom's divorce went, or how we were.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Treated by men, and like I didn't have the language
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that it was a feminist issue or a social issue.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I was just upset about these certain things. And I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: think both of those journeys led me to one. I
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: think pop culture is so powerful as a culture maker,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: way more powerful than.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Watching the Senate floor.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And so anytime you can kind of take social justice
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and politics and like weave it through pop culture, I
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: think it's much more impactful.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I always feel like it holds up a mirror to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: where we are and where we're going in a way
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that is digestible, Like you can talk about Caitlyn Jenner
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and then better understands trans issues and trans writes.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and Republican issues and all kinds of things.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's otherwise.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It feels so amorphous.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I completely agree.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, there's there's a study that's been done
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that says, like we learn through stories, and anytime I
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: read a memoir and they take me through like the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: shooting of JFK or Martin Luther King.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I've retained so many facts from just.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Their what it was like for them to be alive
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: then than I ever did, Like from a history book
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: in school.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. Or like the movies that we watched
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: growing up, I remember those stories. We're doing a whole
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: spill the tea segment towards the end because I need
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: your take on a lot of things.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: But that's a teaser because I want everybody to listen
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, listen to the end. We're gonna do some hot feet.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to quickly go to Second City.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You were reviewed as an even more fearless version of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Tina Fey who could totally out drink you and kick
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: your ass.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: What a review? I know.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I was like when that happened, I hit under the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: covers for like a day because I was just like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: are they talking about me?
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Not a very fearless move?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: But why fearless?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I well, one I.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Went years without getting reviewed or like they would call
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: me like really cute, and I was like, oh, like
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: nothing worse, nothing worse to be called as a woman
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: in comedy than cute, and so when that finally came out,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: it was a show when I had.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Like finally found my voice, and I did a lot
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of wild things in the show.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I would like, if people get on their phones, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: would steal it and go through it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And make jokes. Yeah funny.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I did some rape jokes, but anti the rapist says,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: is not the norm for a rape joke that I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: pulled them off. I was talking about like a lot
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of political issues, and I was making everyone laugh as
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I was doing it, and.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I think it was hopefully what.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Led to this.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I loved that review.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, can you like, can
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you like tattoo your own review?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It at least needs to hang in your office.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: People would be like, you're a monster. I'd be like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I know, but can you believe?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Pretty cool though, right right? You ended up writing with
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Tina Fey.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I wrote on Girls five EVA.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Really. I binged that show such it's so good it is, really.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: And I know I wrote on it, so like that's
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: such a jerk thing to say, but like, well I'll
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: saytch it. Yeah. No.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I loved watching it too, because it was feel good.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But it actually had like a lot of commentary on
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: women's issues and women's friendship absolutely, which is like all
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: our favorite themes, and we needed a show like that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: for so long.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I was so thrilled to get to write on that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about how there needs to be
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: more art about female friendship.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like my goal in life, So why why
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: is that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Important to you?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: After my mom's second divorce, we ended up living with
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: her best friend who had just divorced her alcoholic cousin,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and that's who I call my godmother.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like a first wives club, very.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Much doing one of my favorite movies.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And she and my godmother for a time like raised
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: me and wore my two parent household, even though they
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: were platonic female best friends. And the way to one
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of the I don't want to say only because I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: hope there's so many, but one of the best ways
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: a woman can escape an abusive relationship with a man
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: is through the help of another woman, because you often
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: can't do it alone financially, physically, there's so many obstacles
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in your way, and so my mom couldn't afford rent
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: without a partner. But that partner was abusive, so then
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: she could afford rent with her best friend, who was amazing,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: wonderful and lovely, and so they raised me, and from them,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I was always just like, oh my gosh, if two
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: women can get together and love each other, they can
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: do anything.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: That's really special it is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, I really loved it, and they were
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: going through a lot that I didn't even know of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: at the time. But I think from that I became
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: obsessed with female friendship, and female friendship has been what's like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: lifted me up every moment of my life, and I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: just can't.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Believe there's not a million thousand shows about it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's also so nuanced, like it's yeah, it can be toxic,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: can be bad, you can fight, you can break up,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: like all the things that are like we're not allowed
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to talk about in like feminism now, which is so
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: ridiculous and one dimensionaldiculous ruins our television shows unhelpful.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Also, Hamilton is a boy feud.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: It's just two boys feud and for twenty years until
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: one kills the other, and we're like.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what a great story. Let's do musical,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Let's do this.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And if you had two women loving each other and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: hating each other like that for twenty years.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh, can't fight, it's the view.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, this is one of the greatest
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: stories ever told, and so is like every female story too,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Like it is so ridiculous.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I hope to do I hope to do
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: girl feud.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to see friendships that more like reflect
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: my reality on screen because I actually a lot of
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: TV shows would make me feel badly because I was like,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not like up having pillow fights with my girlfriends.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That's not what my friendships look like.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, They're so complex and nuance and I go up
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and down.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And I do think it's true that like women fight
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: with a thousand tiny needle pricks rather than the swords,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and that's fascinating to me, and.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we should like talk about it and like exalt.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: It, yeah, or even if it's not fighting. And it's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: just like I think we go through so many transitions
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: as women, Yeah, and to like be a friend to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: somebody going through a transition is like an interesting perspective too, totally.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And I mean I say fights because it's like if
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: you had a great love story on screen. You probably
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: see them fight once or fall out or something happen,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and like that's what is part of like the great
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: love story between like two platonic women as well.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: That's a great point. Yeah, I'd like to take a
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  Speaker 1: super fascinating to me. You get hired on John Stewart's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: television show, Yeah, by blind submission. Yeah so it's his
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: HBO show. You said, I had no recommendations or connections.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: He just liked my packet and that opportunity changed my life. Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: So.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So much of hiring is done through word of mouth
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: or like, oh I know this writer from this old
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: show I did or the agents submitted.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: This group of writers, or even just who the packets
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: go out to is often a very small, predetermined pool
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: of candidates from agents and managers.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Super interesting that he decided to do it differently for
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this show.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, purposely, yes, And well, so the first show I
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: worked for him on, he it's so funny.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: People like, oh, they never read your.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Packets, and somehow, by the grades of the universe, John
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Stewart physically read my first packet to his show and
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I saw it with like notes on it. Once I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: got into the office and he hired me, and I
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was the first writer on he hadn't hired other writers,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like it was like this incredible experience. And then when
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I was there, he was in the process of hiring
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: other writers and talking about how frustrating it is, like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the process of getting new fresh voices and all the things.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So when I came back as his head writer, I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was like, I ran this gauntlet for so long, Like
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: here all the things I want to do to break
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: up in the process, and he was like, that's exactly
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: what I want to do. And then he supported me
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and making it happen, because you know, it takes a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: lot to change a hiring process, huge, huge, and then
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and then we actually did it, and I'm that's probably
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: one of the things I'm like most proud of.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So that was your idea. Yeah, yeah, Chelsea, I just
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: think you that's not anywhere online. Well it's weird to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, I mean, I guess that's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a hard thing to describe, but that is a really
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it was packful thing that you did.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It was it was also like it was a desire
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of John's, like John's. John was like, this hiring process
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: is so broken. The pipelines through the agents are so
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: messed up, Like it's a broken process. Well, you missed
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: so many talented people that way, so many talented people,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and you can't actually get like what you want for
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a show because it's been handed to you like through
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a funnel. And so I just happened to have been
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: in the hiring process and get to be his head writer.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: And like he wanted all those things, and I was like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I I know the ten things I've always wanted to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: happen when I was trying to get hired.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Can you share like two of those things?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wanted So I used to put packets
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: in if an intern or someone accidentally left the email
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: address on the packet instructions, and so then without a rep,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: or without getting sent the packet from your rep, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: could turn a packet into that email address and just
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like hope they read it. And so for hours the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: email was on it and it said you can't submit
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: through an agent or manager. You have to submit yourself,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: so that everyone knew they were welcome and they could
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: turn it in. And then I sent it far and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: wide through comedy circles and like I said, pass it
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: on to everyone.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: We made it a page long, so that even if
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: you were working another job, which I always was, you
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: had time.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: You had time to do it, and it was just
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: a page of jokes that was it, which also was good.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Because we got twenty four hundred packets, so then we
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: had to read twenty four hundred and oftentimes sh I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: was asked for like ten pages thirteen researching. All of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a sudden, you can't accomplish on your own, and.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: So then you miss a good writer simply because like
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: they have to go.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: To work because you're already amazing that you changed.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I'm really proud of it. When I came on to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: be the head writer.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so excited for the hiring process,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: which is so silly, but like I always want to
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like turn around and like, you know, do a different
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Like this is me opening a door, but it was
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: just so corny, but like I always wanted to change me.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because so many people get to walk through a
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: door and they just shut it behind them.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yes they do. It's and it's it's a lot. Like you,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: you go through so much much work. Sometimes I run
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: out of energy to like turn around and like try
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and help.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But like I always remember how painful it was to
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: know you deserved a chance and not get one, And
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: like that feeling like sticks with me so And also
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: we had the most incredible writers.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Came from that process.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: At the end, I was like, oh my gosh, what
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: if we were about to unmask the seven most talented
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: writers of these twenty four hundred packets. They're all going
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to be the same dude who went to Harvard And like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have egg all over my face.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Like Christopher Higgins was.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Right, spoiler it wasn't.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So part of that show showcased the behind the scenes
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: right room, like we got to see the people that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you chose.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: To work with ya.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Why did you guys make that choice? Why was it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: important to show those scenes?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: The process of making that show was so intense, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: there was such an incredible team of journalists and researchers,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't a nightly show, so just so much
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: was going into each episode.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: It felt like we were going to miss some really.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Important parts if we didn't show all the incredible things
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that were happening to get there.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: It was my favorite. John is one of my three
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: celebrity crushes that I think are inappropriate for me to have. Okay,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: because of I'm thirty one, I feel like the age
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: is inappropriate. Sure, I'll tell you the other The others
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Larry David and then Bill Maher which very controversial, So.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Like what a spectrum of comedy.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Totally. John is for sure in first place, Thank God,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the man. I'm so attracted to his conviction.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it's real.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It's real. You can tell it's real.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't fake that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So what advice has John Stewart given you that really
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: sticks with you?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: It has such phenomenal, phenomenal advice, But the one that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: stands out to me is that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's very hard to do what we do.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: You know that it's it's really hard to do anything,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and and like huge obstacles can make you feel like quitting.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And he once talked me through a situation where he
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: was like, the ability to push through and keep going,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like is what it is?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And the people who didn't have to do that don't
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: get the glory? What is their story? It was handed
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: to them. What do they get to go home tonight
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: and to push through.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And make it like?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Is the thing is? Is it? Like that's the joy,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Like that's the success and it Yeah, it really stuck
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: with me.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So my mom has this phrase, lessons are caught, not taught. Yeah,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious as to what you've garnered from him
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: by just watching him move throughout the world. What have
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you caught from John Stewart?
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Kindness?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: It's just so easy to be kind and clarity. That
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the best thing you can do in your writing is clarity,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: in your conversations is clarity, and as a boss, making
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: sure everyone's clear on what should happen, what the expectations are,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and that there's no great area and after that, no
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: matter what happens, happens, but we were all clear.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Okay. So there's an episode of the Problem and it
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: delves into gun violence and domestic violence. Yeah, and you
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: called it the best thing you'd ever been a part
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of in television. Yeah, you've done a lot. That's a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: pretty big statement. And in it you talk about being
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: a survivor of domestic violence. You also talk about it
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: on your podcast. Yeah, you said, I thought if I
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: pretended to have a normal past, then I could have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a normal future.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Don't make me cry with my own podcast.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I cried when I heard that. Yeah, I think everyone
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: can relate to that sentiment and they don't have the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: words for it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: That's really nice.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's also like opening up was probably took
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: me almost twenty years to do. But one of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: best parts is even you saying like, well, I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: everyone could relate to that because I lived so long
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: thinking no one could, you know, and that I was
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like some weird monster.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: That's really nice to hear.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Why did you decide that was the moment because that's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a big platform.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, luckily I had already talked
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: about it on my own podcast, which felt like a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: very safe space because it's such a tight knit community,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and like if I hadn't done it like with my
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: people first, I don't think I could have done it
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: on the Jon Stewer Show at all. But there just
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: comes a moment where like this is it, Like this
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: is the thing I always wish that when I was sixteen,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that I could have some sort of justice, And here
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I was, with the person who who can shape our culture,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: willing to give that a chance.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Like I was like, I gotta get some therapy in
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: my veins and get it together because this is this
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: is a chance to try and do it. And I
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: had held it in for so long that I sort
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: of felt like I was never going to be ready.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So what did it feel like? Like the as soon
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: as the show wrapped that day, Oh my gosh.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Well in the actual taping, so you know, we were
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: wearing masks, like face masks, and I mean mine caught
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: an hour of tears, and I mean I cried the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: whole way through. It was it was hard when I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: live with CPTSD, which is like has a lot of
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: things to it, but like to take in someone else's
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: experience that sometimes makes you think of your own can
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: be a very physical experience that's hard, but I've luckily
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: been working with a trauma therapist for a long time,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: so I a lot of tools to try and power
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: through it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Because I was also still a boss and I was
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: writing jokes.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: So I think what I was most proud of is
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: just basically feeling all of it, because it's as bad
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: as it sounds, and like sometimes I used to think
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it made you strong if you could not cry and
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: if you could power through and not think about it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And now what I think makes you strong is to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: fully feel it and give it what it's due and
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: keep going.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. I felt so I had not a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: domestic abuse situation, but I think in any circumstance, it's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: so much we're like taught.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Not to cry totally.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And even if it's not classified as semestic violence,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: all of the small steps that create that happening are
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: often present in relationships and attitudes and things you're brought
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: up to do and ways we interact in a relationship,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: like are all built in this system that allows for
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: situations like that to happen. So it's like everyone's dealing
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: with it, even if it's on a very small scale.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I think so too, Yeah. I've always felt like there
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: should be like a class in school about healthy relationships
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: because you have no idea what they look like.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: At all at all, and like where are you supposed
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: to get it if it's not in your house?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Like yes, TV, I mean I had two parents that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: had have a healthy marriage. But I still like, you
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: still need you still don't know, like what's normal?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you need to articulated, you need to process it,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: you need to Yeah, I think you should teach that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: class and go around the country.
• 37:57
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  Speaker 1: we have to talk about Celebrity Book Club. I'm obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with your podcast. Yeah, and I everybody that listens to
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: my podcast knows I'm a very particular person, So I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: am obsessed. It is so good you dissect celebrity memoirs.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Why celebrity memoirs?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So I joke that celebrity memoirs have always been my
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: favorite book genre. And that's what happens when your nearest
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: bookstore growing up is a Walmart.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, true because that's kind of true.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, it's kind of true. It's also like
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: it's very true.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And I you know, it's so crazy that they got
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: like culture got to say like, oh my gosh, these
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: trashy books of the most power. There were full women
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in culture talking about their lives and what happened to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: them and how they got there, and it's a junk genre, ridiculous.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I bought into all of it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I kept it a secret. I was like, oh, I
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: got to read these books, but so many of them
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: helped me on my whole career. Oh yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, these are like treasure
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: trails of trauma and success and ups and downs and
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: specifically through the lens of being a woman. And where
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: do you find content like that? And so this kind
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: of happened by accident. I was recapping memoirs on my
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Instagram during quarantine. I was like, look at this book,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and two days later they were like, it needs to
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: be a podcast, and I was like, no.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be another comedian podcast.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I was like no, come on, like all comedians.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: By law have podcasts, right, And I was like, maybe
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I'll get out of it and then I loved the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: book so much that obviously I did it, and now
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: it's my favorite thing.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's really well done. It's funny and educational.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I learned something.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I have a takeaway every episode.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you, it's so funny.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: That's how we connected because I listened to your podcast
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: also very particular ular taste.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It's like so honored when you said that there was
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a Girl Boss episode you did. Yes, So I've almost
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I forgot her.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Name was Sophia, so.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I've like almost interviewed her a few times. And then
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I double back on it because I'm like, I can't
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: like I can't figure out if if I do interview her,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have to ask some really tough questions.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not sure it's even.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Worth asking, Like are there other voices at this point
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that interesting? You be adding to the conversation instead of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: dissecting the past.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: That's such a good point because you know, she created
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: a six billion dollar company, zero debt, in a moment
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: where that was like an available avenue and a lot
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: of bad things happened, but it still happened, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: and like there's something there, And because then we have
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to look to her other CEO space like what women
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: are CEOs?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Scratch currently and then like you're like, oh, it's a
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: problem for my show.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: It's like a problem for America. Like they have not
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: given avenues to all of these women. But you know
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: who you should interview. Please tell me every black woman
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: who was rejected from Shark Tank with a genius idea
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: they reject. It is all of them, yes, and they're
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: like the best ideas and they send them home. I'm like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: are you guys out of your mind? So those are
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the CEOs of our future because they're Oh my gosh.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: We should do a round table.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I'd be there in a second.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Watch Also so.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Specific, do you watch Shark Tank?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course I do.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I'm a businesswoman. Yeah, but I love Shark Tank. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: think it's so fun and they're so bad, Like they're
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: such bad judges. I guess I guess they're rich.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: So what am I saying?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Anybody that comes in with some sort of koozy for
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a beer gets a deal.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, You're like, come on, you guys, it is shocking
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the decisions they make.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. Is there anything else reality TV wise
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that you binge?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, f Boy Island. Oh my god, I think it's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a gift. I think it's a gift too.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: They're doing scripted you know, all reality TV is scripted.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: They're doing scripted reality TV in the best way. I'm
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: obsessed with it. I think Mickey Glazer is the best
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: reality TV host. We've amazing. She's allowed to have like
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: an opinion in a point of view, and she's so funny.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love it so much. Watching all
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the Housewives, you know, seem the ladies. I'm in on
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: The Bachelor. I have been in my whole life. I
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: can't get out. I love Gabby so much.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, question about the Bachelor. Yeah, I go in and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: out because I go in and it's so entertaining, and
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: then I go out because I'm like, it is so behind.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad for us, It's yeah, it's really bad.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: But what don't we do about that?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I have a theory, which I say this theory every
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: time I get a chance, which is that the Bachelor
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: is a cultural clock on America, and I always.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Think, whoa hot take.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I always think like, oh, it's three.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: O'clock and the Bachelor will let me know, No, it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: eleven am because it is one of the most watch shows.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe four years ago Caitlin Bristow, the.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Season was about slut shaming, and it's like we discovered
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: slut shaming fifteen years ago, but four years ago is
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: when all of America said it's okay, And so I
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: love watching it just to see outside my little you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: writer bubbles that like.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: They just brought in I think, like mixed relationships three
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, oh, and they're furious about it and they do
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: them terribly.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't do an entire podcast I'm the Bachelor, though.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I would do that in a second. And there's a
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: million Bachelor podcasts and I still think we should have one.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: There's no cultural criticism on it. Really, I completely agree.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: There's podcasts about the relationships. I don't care.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: It's important.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, and I mean this sincerely, Like with that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: many Americans watching it, political change can happen on that show.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because okay, with a lot of women I interview,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: we talk about how we're kind of all talking to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: people who are already listening. Yes, like that's the problem
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: with politics.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Too, totally right, So get out of the vacuum.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: That's the Bachelor.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: It is the Bachelor.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It's also like why I love doing scripted series and
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: why I love doing comedy because.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Ideally your show is for more than just the people
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: who already like agree with you if you do it well.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So for young comedians coming up, yeah, what what is
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like the best piece of advice you could give them?
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Make your own work, even if you're in a group,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: if you're in a duo, make your own work, make
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: your own stuff, do it right now, do it right now,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: and never stop. Even when I started working in television
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and like had made it, all the work I did
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: on my own that was just for me with my
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: five dollars has been what has propelled my career forward,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: even down to the podcast. Yeah, but I think people
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: and I, you know, you look towards these opportunities and
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: resources and know how. But if you can make your
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: own work from the jump, which I'm very thankful I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: was always doing, I think it will create the career
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: you're actually meant to have, rather than let you fall
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: into something just because you need a break.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: That is such a good piece of advice.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I'm also so fascinating. I don't think this is her quote,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: but I heard Marius Driver say it the other day
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that life isn't about finding yourself, it's about creating yourself.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Oh Maria, that feels like a real drag quote, like drag.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It actually does, but you might like this whole time,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking talking to you that you have like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: really created your own identity, like you didn't just fall
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: into what was around you or what could have been.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You've been so decisive.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I think that also came from like there wasn't like
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: a real place for me, even like I remember this
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: one quote about me when I was like on a
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: cruisehip or something said, which it's gonna sound like half
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: a compliment, but it was like an angeen you who
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: refuses to do it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, let me and
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: she stopping. It's just like the type of like woman
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: It was like not and like I couldn't fit into Angreenue,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: couldn't fit into like all the two other genres available,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, which one do I go to?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: And I think also being like very I think that
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: was said about me because I'm very high them, and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I tried to back away from that. In comedy but
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: it and then it just wasn't who I was. And
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: then I went full force and I think that has
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: like kind of helped me just be like it it
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Every successful person I speak to says that their success
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: came when they like threw caution into the wind and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: stepped into their true self.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I was I had heard that
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I was trying, you know what I mean, Oh my gosh.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'll be my
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: true self and like, it's just so crazy how much
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it takes for you to actually fall into it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: And for me, a lot of like pain in childhood,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I a lot of.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Like sincerity and like very serious and very like feminine politically,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: she's like cared about that was like not.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Not thought of as something accepted in like hard comedy.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so I really thought I was helping myself
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: be successful by cutting that part of me off. And
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the moment I was like listen, sometimes we cry. Then
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I like finally became like an actually good comedian.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Quick rapid fire. Okay, about the books you've read for
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: your podcast, Yes, what's the juiciest reader memoir with the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: most tea?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, Holly Madison's Very Juicy. Melissa Gilbert, she was in
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the brat pack and she was engaged to Rabblo for
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: five years. A shocking amount of tea all across Hollywood.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Really Yeah, yeah, blew me away. She was in Little
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: House on the Prairie. She's a little girl in it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A book that elevated your life Gabrielle Union's first memoir,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Jane Fonda's.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Rosie Prez Three Great Ones, the book that surprised you
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the most, Oh.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: My gosh, book that surprised me the most, maybe Tory Spellings.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And Jeannette Mcurtey's I heard her just so good and
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I saw on your Instagram you did a thing I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: finished in one sitting.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the title is shocking, incredible. Your biggest takeaway about
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: life in the public eye from these memoirs.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: How many like really good kind people there are. Because
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of trolls and there's a lot of hate.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: But like when you're talking books and stories and things
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: that you all really feel deeply, I've just like met
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: like the kindest, nicest people.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Who I didn't think were out there.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: That is not what I thought you were going to say.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: That's very cool.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: What'd you think I was gonna say?
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I thought that maybe it would be something about how
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: life in the public eye seem for the for a
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: lot of these women seems to be really painful. I mean.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: But even in Humah Abadin's book, you know who, she
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: goes through so much and the press just annihilates her
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: all throughout the memoir these like there's women in like
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: airport bathrooms being like I see you, Yeah, I did
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: that to you, and they're like lifting her up, Like
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: throughout the book. I think you can only kind of
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: get a book out of you if there were people
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: around you like loving you and helping you, even if.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: You're the most hated celebrity ever. Like there's like and
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: that part has been like really beautiful.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Whoma is also now dating Bradley Cooper, so.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: She won I mean, my god, I want to turn
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: around like Anthony Leaner, who yeah, excuse me, a celebt,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: You'll never look at the same way again.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: After reading their.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Memore, Demi Moore really yeah, I did not think I was.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I just didn't think I was.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Like Demmy Moore is like cool, disciplined, runs on a treadmill,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: vibes like we're not the same woman, you know.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Now, there was so much there.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I'm in love with her and I'm like, are we twins?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, the book with the most heart, Oh
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: my gosh, so many of them, Molly Shannon.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: So the power of women's stories is such a theme
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: ye on your podcast and now I'm learning your life
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: and you're getting ready to release your own book.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: What do we miss as a culture when we pass
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: over these stories?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you know, we miss all of the
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: things about femininity regardless of gender that we have demonized,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and we exclude it from the conversation when it's the
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: most important part of our conversation, even down to the
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: fact that you know, we've done maybe fifty five episodes
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: and there's maybe been twenty of them with stories of abortion,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and it's part of their lives and these journeys, whether
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: it was good, bad, regretted, whatever, But like those books
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: have been talking about it while culture has been telling
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: us to be quiet about it, you know, And it
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: removes women from the conversation when we don't include their
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: whole lives and only take like actress dating Lah and
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: like don't get like what it took to get there.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I think we're also missing so much roadmap.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, like yes, absolutely right, which is
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: what I love from them? Right?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like Carol Burnett taught me how to
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: get an agent because she spelled it out, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: like where is even online you can't find out like
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: how to get an agent?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: And like there it is in her book, Like how
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: did you do it?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Every answer is in a book.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Every answer is in a book.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Books.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Are you book obsessed? Their life save I could save
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: my life?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, they saved my life too. Yeah, Like I have
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: chills every time I have been in the most sad
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: or like confusing place in my life, I turned to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: books and I feel better.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Same.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I love a girl that went to camp, and I
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: love a girl that reads.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't go to camp, but I love to read.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: But one or the other.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, what was bubbling up inside of you? What are
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you sharing in your book?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the book has been here my whole life,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, can't believe I get to
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: do it. And I talk about basically all of the
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: women in my life who like, who were my heroes,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: my enemies, my best friends, my bosses, and like how
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: they got me through life.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: But I it's also just like, fully my life.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Is it a memoir?
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like a comedy girl memoir. It's not
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: like front to back, but it's yeah, it's my life.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: That's such a beautiful, full circle moment.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I can't believe it. I definitely like of all the things.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: When I sold the book, I was like, like I
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: was in New York City. I like when I got
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: the text and I was like, I'm carrying fucking Bradshaw.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do a quick rapid fire to Okay, I'm
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: ready the most LA thing about you?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Hopefully nothing that I'm the most LA thing about me.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I take a lot of vitamins. What's the most Santa
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: fe thing about you?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I mean there's a crystal chuck in my bra right now? Really? Yeah?
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I always gotta have your crystals on you. Which one
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: do I need? Well? All of them?
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: But to pending, you know, rose Court's a great basic
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: starter just bringing love into your life.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, I need a starter path. Yeah, maybe that be
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the gift when you like send out your memoir to people,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I will add because, okay, a book that changed your life,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: maybe memoir or not.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, Eduardo Galliano's Book of Embraces was given to me
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: in high school by a teacher and it just ripped
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: me open and I returned to it every year.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I've never heard of it.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: It's gorgeous.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I have to grab it. Okay, we do a pretty
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: smart question.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Most likely to splurge on, oh, wedding dress?
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: If everyone needs to go to your Instagram and see
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the whole It's a saga.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: It's a saga. It's something a saga I have, which
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: is funny.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I said splurgehn because I'm always like,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I love this dress and they'll be like eight thousand dollars.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not that great, you know so, But
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: for the right one, I could get there.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Smartest decision you've ever made, opening up about my life.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I felt that, Thank you, thank you for having me.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: On all right, today is a good day to have
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: a good day. I'll see you next week.