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The Golden Age with Cindy Cullers PART 1 · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio everybody.
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  Speaker 2: It's Almost Famous podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: Today, Ashley and myself are thrilled because we have someone
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  Speaker 3: coming on the podcast that we have been rooting for
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  Speaker 3: through the latest season of The Golden Bachelor, and in fact,
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  Speaker 3: Ashley thought this person was gonna win. She's intelligent, sophisticated,
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  Speaker 3: a great answer, and let's not forget absolutely stunning. I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about Cindy. Cindy, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that was just incredible. What a warm welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. I have
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  Speaker 4: no words for you.
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  Speaker 5: You deserve it all. You are the classiest lady. You
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  Speaker 5: are the Golden Bachelorette that I pray for. You are
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  Speaker 5: seriously so you'd be so perfect in that role. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm just in my opinion and our audience knows. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know that mel has set us up for another
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  Speaker 5: Golden installment, but if they have, if there is to
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  Speaker 5: be one, you would be fantastic lead because you have
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  Speaker 5: all the characteristics of what makes somebody golden.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question there, though, I mean, Cindy, to
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  Speaker 3: kick us off, do you think there'll be another season,
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  Speaker 3: I hope.
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  Speaker 4: So I know that when I watched the previous two
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  Speaker 4: seasons of The Golden Bachelor and the Golden Bachelorette, and
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  Speaker 4: even watching our season of the Golden Bachler. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: I'm invested in it because I'm in it, but there's
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  Speaker 4: some issues that I think are worthy to explore, and
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  Speaker 4: I think people are fascinated by the dynamics. Okay, let
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  Speaker 4: me just give you my hot take, all right, So
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  Speaker 4: as I'm out and about, you know, it's been kind
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  Speaker 4: of fun to be recognized by different people and the
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  Speaker 4: Bachelor Nation it's a real thing. Like the Bachelor Nation
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  Speaker 4: is awesome. But there's another group of people who are
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  Speaker 4: not part of Bacher Nation. They haven't ever watched it,
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  Speaker 4: who have watched our show, and I know it because
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  Speaker 4: they come up to me, and I can't figure out
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  Speaker 4: the demographic of it. You know, I'm an analytical person
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  Speaker 4: and I'm trying to you know, Okay, well those people
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  Speaker 4: like me? Are they women in their fifties, sixties, seventies,
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  Speaker 4: Is that who it is? Yes, I do have those.
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  Speaker 4: I was at a football game and this mom came
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  Speaker 4: over to me and said, I recognize you. Actually I
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  Speaker 4: didn't recognize you. My son recognized you. He's an eleven
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  Speaker 4: year old who was watching, and we're going to get
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  Speaker 4: a family picture with you if that's okay, but he
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  Speaker 4: wants his own picture with you. I was at a
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  Speaker 4: concert and these two twin men come over. They're in
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  Speaker 4: their fifties, completely awesome cowboys. They come over and they're like,
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  Speaker 4: we've been watching you on this season. So I think
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  Speaker 4: there's a fascination to what's going on in the Golden
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  Speaker 4: Years when it comes to your relationship that I think
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  Speaker 4: people are very curious to see. I was curious to
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  Speaker 4: see it, and I hope they continue. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: an interesting dialogue. I kids learned a lot about me,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I learned a lot about me. I think
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  Speaker 4: the audience learned a lot about all of us by
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  Speaker 4: watching the show.
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  Speaker 5: I think Ben and I both learned a lot about ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: I matured so much. I know it's shocking for people
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  Speaker 5: to hear that I'm matured through that, but I definitely did.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely only because you don't need to mature any longer.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks so, Cindy.
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  Speaker 5: When Mel was first announced, soon after, he made some
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  Speaker 5: not so bright comments on a podcast about not wanting
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  Speaker 5: to date anyone in their sixties. I guess, not being
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  Speaker 5: aware that the cast is always going to be in
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  Speaker 5: their sixties. Did you have any second guesses about being
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  Speaker 5: on his season?
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  Speaker 4: I did. I Okay, A couple of things happened. He
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  Speaker 4: was announced. My daughter texts me, and we didn't know
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  Speaker 4: it at that time, but we were all super excited
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  Speaker 4: because on paper we look to be a very good match,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, that proves out, I think during the season.
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  Speaker 4: Later on, when that broadcast or that podcast was revealed.
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  Speaker 4: Directly to the podcast, I read the transcripts, but then
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to hear Mel's voice in it, and I
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  Speaker 4: was very concerned about how very effortvescently he was interested
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  Speaker 4: in dating that younger group. I've got lots of friends
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  Speaker 4: who date younger. I don't have a problem with that,
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  Speaker 4: but please don't go on The Golden Bachelor where I'm
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  Speaker 4: sixty and I'm probably going to be one of the
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  Speaker 4: youngest ones on the show. What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 4: So I had a conversation with the producer that I
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  Speaker 4: had been talking to and just express my concerns, and
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  Speaker 4: she told me that they've talked to Mel. They had
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  Speaker 4: a conversation. It was just kind of a misunderstanding, and
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  Speaker 4: I decided to go ahead and continue on. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was definitely concerned about his comments.
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  Speaker 3: Who wouldn't be, I mean, I guess let's drill into
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  Speaker 3: that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Though.
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  Speaker 3: I would be very concerned, especially if I was you.
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  Speaker 3: I'd feel almost like offended and then her and confused,
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  Speaker 3: and in an environment that already burrs insecurity, those comments
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  Speaker 3: would have made me very hesitant to step out of
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  Speaker 3: the limo into the mansion. And so I guess what
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  Speaker 3: made you say yes, this is still a good idea.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to turn that question around on you and
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  Speaker 4: when you talk about when it spurs insecurity, right, A
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  Speaker 4: lot of people think that a woman should feel insecure
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  Speaker 4: maybe if a man wants to date a younger category.
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  Speaker 4: And I actually think that golden women in particular, and
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  Speaker 4: you know Ashley too, because he's wise beyond your years
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  Speaker 4: and Ben you too, we see that men who date
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  Speaker 4: so much younger might also be a red flag. And
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  Speaker 4: I think the question really is more, is that we
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  Speaker 4: watching his insecurity?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I think that's fair, But then the question
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  Speaker 3: still comes about either direction.
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  Speaker 2: You still said yes, I.
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  Speaker 4: Still said, yes, I think that you probably hadn't met
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  Speaker 4: a group of women like I was about to participate in.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know the other women, but I know me.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, I still fit this category because
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  Speaker 4: I'm sixty.
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  Speaker 5: Sixty and younger.
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  Speaker 4: Sixty and youthful, and I will. Let's just talk about
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  Speaker 4: this though, because I think this is one of the
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  Speaker 4: issues that's very valuable in the amongst my friends and
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  Speaker 4: people my age group, is people dating outside of their
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  Speaker 4: age group. I heard something very interesting from someone and
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  Speaker 4: I don't have any evidence of it, but when they
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  Speaker 4: said it, I thought, wow, that seems true. They said
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  Speaker 4: that men tend to date people when they're out of
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  Speaker 4: a relationship, when they, for example, go through a divorce
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  Speaker 4: or lose their spouse, they tend to date someone who
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  Speaker 4: is in the age group for when they were last happy. Wow,
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  Speaker 4: that's super interesting about that. And women tend to date
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  Speaker 4: into a lifestyle that they want.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you've known this since you know knowledge for
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  Speaker 3: a bit. Do you think that's true. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting thing to think about.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of true. I think it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of true, and it just anecdotally, just think about the
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  Speaker 4: friends that you might have who are dating in a
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  Speaker 4: different age category. I tend to date people who I
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  Speaker 4: like to say went to high school with me, you know,
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  Speaker 4: plus remnus four years. Mel was outside of my dating
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  Speaker 4: age paces as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, traditionally I never liked veering above or below four years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we're both high schoolers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So for me, I knew I was dating outside
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  Speaker 4: my range to date Mel, and I knew I would
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  Speaker 4: be outside of his range. I was on the older
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  Speaker 4: group ironically, and he was in my older group as well.
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  Speaker 4: But he had enough on paper that I had seen.
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  Speaker 4: I had also watched a YouTube my oldest daughter should
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  Speaker 4: be spy. This woman can find out anything about anyone.
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  Speaker 4: And she sent me some data and I said, okay,
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  Speaker 4: what else you got? She goes, no, Mom, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to show you everything because I want you to
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  Speaker 4: discover him for who he is. But she sat with
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  Speaker 4: me on the couch right here. We watched that TV
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  Speaker 4: and we watched a YouTube of a guy who I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to try to say this kindly, he was. He
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  Speaker 4: was talking about a sporting event and he was clearly
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  Speaker 4: outclassed by interviewing. Mel Meil knew a lot more than
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  Speaker 4: this guy knew. Mail never made him feel insecure, never
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  Speaker 4: made him feel like that was a stupid question. So
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  Speaker 4: I was balancing also the dynamic that I saw of
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  Speaker 4: that mail and all the other things on paper with
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  Speaker 4: the podcast, and that was kind of countered by what
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  Speaker 4: my producer said that they had spoken to him about.
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  Speaker 5: So before we get into deeper into your relationship with mel,
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  Speaker 5: we're very eager to know all your thoughts, especially looking
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  Speaker 5: back on it. But first, since you're divorce, you dated
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  Speaker 5: Chuck Norris when he was when he was really a
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  Speaker 5: get yeah act, can take down the world with one hand.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's he's one of the classiest, best
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  Speaker 4: gentlemen I've had the privilege to spend time with. But
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  Speaker 4: he that's this is how you guys don't even know.
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  Speaker 4: We were riding on tablets with like you know, etching tools
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  Speaker 4: back then, and there was no Internet. I was living
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  Speaker 4: in LA and I had moved from Orange County up
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  Speaker 4: to this hotel off the Mulholland and the four or
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  Speaker 4: five and waiting for my I just moved there and
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  Speaker 4: waiting to get an apartment, and somebody at the front
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  Speaker 4: desk said, hey, there's another guest at the hotel who
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  Speaker 4: saw you and thought you were cute and wanted to
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  Speaker 4: know if you would like to join them for drinks.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, well, who is it, do I? And
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  Speaker 4: they're like, well, he's kind of famous and told me
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  Speaker 4: it was Chuck Norris. I didn't know who Chuck Norris was,
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  Speaker 4: and there's no internet back then for me to look
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  Speaker 4: it up. All I know is he's a very nice gentleman.
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  Speaker 4: And we met and people would come over and interrupt
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  Speaker 4: us and ask for his autograph. And I remember saying
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  Speaker 4: to him one day like, hey, where's my autograph? And
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  Speaker 4: the next time we saw each other, he brought me
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  Speaker 4: an eight by ten that he'd signed. I still have
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  Speaker 4: I have a photo of it. It's in my storage unit,
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  Speaker 4: but I have a photo on my phone of it.
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  Speaker 4: And then I realized his kids were about my age,
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  Speaker 4: and that kind of freaked me out. I was very young, and.
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  Speaker 5: He's how old is he now?
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  Speaker 4: In his eighties? In his eighties now eight five?
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at shirtless. He looks good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, he was. And he was so nice. He
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  Speaker 4: was such a gentleman, not lecherous at all, really a
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  Speaker 4: nice man and I think it was probably refreshing for him,
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  Speaker 4: but I didn't know who he was and it was
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  Speaker 4: new to the town. It was just a very sweet relationship.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't very long, but yes, I had a couple
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  Speaker 4: of dates with Chuck Norris and can't say anything bad
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  Speaker 4: about that guy. He was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It's something that wasn't brought up enough though.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like Chuck Norris is one of those guys
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  Speaker 3: that has defied what most people can do with their careers,
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  Speaker 3: where people my age know all about him and still
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  Speaker 3: watch the shows.
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  Speaker 5: You watched Texas Ranger or whatever it's called.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yes, I agree up when.
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  Speaker 5: Conan O'Brien used to do this sketch about it, and
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  Speaker 5: my sister and I would like pe our pants laughing.
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  Speaker 5: That's the extent that I know.
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  Speaker 2: He's just so well known.
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  Speaker 3: He's crossed generational thresholds, and I think that's such a
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  Speaker 3: cool thing. Anyways, we could talk about Chuck Norris for
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  Speaker 3: a long time.
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  Speaker 4: I can make one more Let me take one more
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  Speaker 4: comment about it. So I've got three daughters, right, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm the most unpool person in their minds as they're
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  Speaker 4: growing up, just like your parents, were probably uncool to you,
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  Speaker 4: and so I'm like, no, no, I was cool. I
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  Speaker 4: danced for the Mavericks, I you know I had. I
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  Speaker 4: dated Chuck Norris And they're all like, whatever, whatever, mom,
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  Speaker 4: that's so not a big deal. And then one of Sarah,
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  Speaker 4: one of my oldest daughter's friends, found out that I
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  Speaker 4: dated Chuck Norris and now I'm a superstar. And those
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  Speaker 4: boys were like, oh my gosh, did you know Missus
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  Speaker 4: Colors dated Chuck Norris? So I was a big superstar.
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  Speaker 4: So they're friends. But you're right, he crossed many generations
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  Speaker 4: in his appeal.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Sidney, speaking of your family, your daughters are wonderful,
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  Speaker 3: it seems from what we got to you know, what
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  Speaker 3: we've gotten to know about them when you were on
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  Speaker 3: the show. Were they only excited? Were they nervous? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: have they You said that when they're growing up, you
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  Speaker 3: were the least cool person they possibly could know. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure as they've gotten older they've realized just how
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  Speaker 3: great you are. Kind Of what was their sentiment as
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  Speaker 3: you left and then stay.
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  Speaker 4: It was Caroline, my youngest, is the one who got
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  Speaker 4: me into it, and they all were very supportive of it.
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  Speaker 4: They you know they when I say they didn't think
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  Speaker 4: I was cool. They've always had a healthy respect for me,
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  Speaker 4: and our relationship is precious. I know everybody thinks they've
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  Speaker 4: got a good relationship with their kids, but mine is
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  Speaker 4: really special. I am God's favorite, abundantly blessed, and they
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  Speaker 4: are my crowning jewels. Those three, as well as my
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  Speaker 4: two son in laws, they were supportive. They thought that
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  Speaker 4: mel was going to be a good match and my
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  Speaker 4: middle daughter, Emily. Two days after we filmed, I was
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  Speaker 4: wrapping and came home to Austin, did some laundry, then
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  Speaker 4: headed out to her wedding in Italy, so her family
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  Speaker 4: had a lot going on. I think the biggest concern
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  Speaker 4: was what would happen if we had a glitch with
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  Speaker 4: the wedding planning, you know, or anything that happens as
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  Speaker 4: you lead up to a wedding and they couldn't reach me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think that was their biggest question.
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  Speaker 2: You were a massive Cindy fan.
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  Speaker 3: I was a Cyndey fan, but you were like wearing
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  Speaker 3: the T shirts actually during the season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How did I never notice that her eyes are like
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  Speaker 3: radiant and like stearing through.
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  Speaker 5: Her I don't know, because I always noticed that, and
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  Speaker 5: I heard that they were even more stunning in real
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  Speaker 5: life from Kathy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Kathy, your eyes are wild.
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  Speaker 4: Like my kids call them marbles. Yeah, I can see
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  Speaker 4: that marbles. I'm like, that's interesting. I had to thank you,
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  Speaker 4: mom and dad and Grandpa Floyd and sorry, actually continue.
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  Speaker 5: Your daughters look so much like you too. There's like
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  Speaker 5: a gorgeous group of women.
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  Speaker 4: You ought to see us together because we act alike.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Though down in downtown Austin where I live, you'll see
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  Speaker 4: people the same age group, like people like me tonight
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  Speaker 4: going out with some girlfriends, or you'll see the younger
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  Speaker 4: ones like my kids, but you don't really see a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the you know, parents with their kids. Even
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  Speaker 4: though it's a college town. You just don't see it often.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll roll up into a place and it'll be
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  Speaker 4: me and my you know, copy paste, copy paste, coffee paste,
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  Speaker 4: all three of us, and then we act alike, and
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  Speaker 4: we talk alike, and we have the same mannerisms and
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  Speaker 4: the same engagement, and people just are fascinated. They call
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  Speaker 4: us the Kardashians sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: It's so cute, the Kardashians of Austashians. And another reason
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  Speaker 5: why you need to be on our TVs again. All Right, So, Cindy,
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  Speaker 5: you fell hard fast for Mel, and you were so
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  Speaker 5: open about it throughout the entire thing. I've got to
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  Speaker 5: know now, in hindsight, was it the bachelor bubble or
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  Speaker 5: did you really feel that much for him?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, some of it's edited. So the first date, the
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  Speaker 4: first date, the first group date. Remember we're cheering, and
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  Speaker 4: it literally is the day was made. God made that
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  Speaker 4: day for me, no question about it. The overlap with
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  Speaker 4: it's a cheer thing. It's at USC Models, I mean
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  Speaker 4: SMU Models after USC, so I felt like I was
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  Speaker 4: back on my college campus. It's at this amazing stadium
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  Speaker 4: and I have such a reverence for sports. It was
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  Speaker 4: Paula Abdul who did choreography for me when I was
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  Speaker 4: a Maverick dancer. We're back dancing. I have Caroline on
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  Speaker 4: the phone doing a doing a concert that Jerry and
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  Speaker 4: I just prayed for her, just to sync ronicities. She's
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  Speaker 4: with Diana Ross, who Mel lived across the alley from. Literally,
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  Speaker 4: I thought, for no other reason, I am assured that
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  Speaker 4: today God has said you are supposed to be here. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So I have that assurance from them. Whether it was
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  Speaker 4: because of mail or whether it was because of another reason.
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  Speaker 4: I was assured that that was He went before me
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  Speaker 4: thirty years maybe more to set up a day like that. Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: So I was feeling all of that. That was a
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  Speaker 4: little overwhelming. And then Mel was I mean nothing short
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  Speaker 4: of fantastic. I mean, our little smooches walking down the stadium.
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  Speaker 4: It was awesome. But in the editing when I said
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  Speaker 4: I'm falling in love with Mel, what was cut, understandably
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  Speaker 4: so because Cindy tends to talk a lot. What was
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  Speaker 4: cut is when I said, there's a lot of different
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  Speaker 4: types of love. This is like puppy love. When you're
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  Speaker 4: around a puppy. They're so cute, they're wagging their tail
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  Speaker 4: and you just want to be around them all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what I was feeling for Mel. That wasn't
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  Speaker 4: the mature love. It wasn't you know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: that goes into it. But early on I thought, man,
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  Speaker 4: there's something, there's something to this, something to this. I
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  Speaker 4: still feel that way. Yeah, it was a great, a
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: great possibility all along.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we have even more to talk about, so we're
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: going to break this into a second episode. You can
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: stay tuned see that on your feed pop up until then,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: We'll see you next time.
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