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  And thirty eight. All Bills can win it. Here, Wake puts it
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  down. The kick is on the way out and he's got on the bill.
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  Good one, hell good one. He one. They won a party
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  one up thirty eight incredible. What a combat by my Bill Jackson. Bills
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  perfect record on the line right here, keep it looks side touchdown Kyle Williams
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  touchdown. Amazing. I'm believable. They put in william who's hats the full
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  back and he scores a touchdown. It's wealthier to face tackle. Uh good
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  evening. I'm this is weird. I'm not used to coming on different.
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  I don't know how this works. Uh no, this is awesome. Hey,
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  we watched a football game today and nobody got hurt playing that football game.
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  This is great. I take that back, I uh, dude,
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  for the Bears got hurt. Yes, so there's actually a couple injuries for
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  the Bears and bail in spector. I believe that's true. Yeah, I
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  did get dingered. Yeah weird. I saw I ham me, they said,
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  and I didn't know if it was gonna be something worse. And I
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  heard task or go oh, and then I saw him limp and I immediately
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  pulled my my eyes away because I don't I don't like to see. I
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  haven't looked at a game injury since Willis mcgae He's knee exploded in the Rolls
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  bull against Ohio State. Oh No. And then years later, when YouTube
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  became a thing, I looked up the Joe Thisman leg break and that was
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  the whole This is a terrible idea, was terrible idea. I was messed
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  up. Child darkness from me that I remember. The YouTube became a thing
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  and I used it to look up that and like I think a trailer for
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  like the New Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It was a weird time. It
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  was a weird time. I don't know. I did a lot of peyote
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  as a twelve year old, but you know, reach their own and we're
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  all here. This is a good time. And Greg, what's nice about
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  this postgame episode is it's not as extreme from an emotional standpoint as the Bills
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  Steelers game was last week, where you had a lot of people on the
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  one side of it's the preseason. It doesn't matter a lot of people on
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  the other side of the season's done. Jettison everyone into the sun. But
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  here we are after a nice settling performance from the Bill's team as a whole,
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  but especially the starters, and it allows us to really be able to
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  dive into things and get into the weeds, especially with everybody in the live
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  chat from a I think less than emotional perspective, more analytical and greg.
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  In this episode, we're going to dive into obviously the Bills and Bears,
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  but into a bit of the go forward for this team in terms of what
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  we'd like to see them do now that the dust is kind of settled a
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  bit on the Bills preseason now that it's over. Yeah, I think that's
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  really well said. And obviously the funny part is both games probably matter about
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  the same. It's you know, like, it isn't amazing when we win
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  a preseason game, it isn't horrible when we lose. I will say last
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  week there was enough sloppiness and lack of discipline that I, although I disagreed,
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  I would not have played the starters. I grasped the idea of like,
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  hey, let's not end on that note. Show me you guys have
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  everything ready and let's go into the season feeling good. So opening up with
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  three and out touchdown drive three and out, everybody sit down. I'm good,
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  Like, at least from that standpoint, it was still more risk than
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  I wanted to see because it was still you know, uh, sixteen plays
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  more than we're necessary to expose any of our valuable players too. But in
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  the grand scheme of things, now that we got past that without any injuries
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  occurring, I can appreciate the strategy of it in the sense of, hey,
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  let's uh not end the way that we did last time. Let's go
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  out and show that, hey, we're ready, we're moving forward. So
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  I can at least appreciate that. And now in hindsight, I'm good.
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  Yeah, in hindsight, the approach is perfect, so huge, true brilliance,
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  pure brilliance. That's tremendous foresight from him and analysis. But no,
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  I think that's that's the that's the that's the catch twenty two of it.
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  In the double edged swords, like you want everyone to leave the preseason feeling
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  like they're in rhythm, feeling confident. You want to feel good about both
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  sides of the ball. But at the same time, you want your starters
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  protected. Not even just your starters, you really want everyone protected in every
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  way shape or form like the whole you know, rappid, we want a
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  bubble rap especially the starters take them off, and so it was nice to
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  see again aside from actor that really nobody picking up any big knocks for the
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  Bills, especially from our starter's perspective, and allowed us to get into a
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  position where now we feel better about their performance. Again, maybe you don't
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  feel as great depending on how you feel about the Chicago Bears, but you
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  get a nice solid performance from the starters and kind of ride off into the
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  preseason sunset to start into the regular season and good rhythm, good vibes,
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  and as healthy pretty much as you can be for them for the most part
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  and for the majority. Greg, you're the guest, So do you want
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  to start with your takeaways from this game on the offensive side of the ball
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  or the defensive side of the ball? Dealers choice? Well, now on
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  the dealers technically it's your choice. Layers, So I was like, what's
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  the episode of dealing. Let's start on offense. Let's start on offense,
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  and I'll start with my first one, which was I think the offensive line
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  looked solid today. I don't know that our outcome for offensive line is going
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  to be amazing seen at any point, because I don't think we have an
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  amazing offensive line. So last week was you know, obviously concerning, although
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  you know, I think you and Eric and others discussed some of the things
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  of like, hey, we did an awful lot of like isolated seven step
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  drops that we may not see during the year, so maybe they were kind
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  of evaluating some things we may not see all that much of. I think
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  today was a little more normal, more mix of the run, more twelve
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  personnel with thank god, Dawson Knox bolted on next suspensive brown, and I
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  think it looked it looked better. It wasn't perfect, Josh got flushed a
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  couple of times, but at minimum it was good and we actually saw a
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  little more movement there with David Edwards stepping in for Connor McGovern. I know
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  he had you know, one rough uh you know spot there at one point,
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  but overall, I think is a starting caliber guard. I think we
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  have multiple starting caliber guards. It was interesting that Edwards came in to play
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  for instead of Bates as the first guy in, but I think that speaks
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  to the depth that we're talking about here, and ultimately that's my first takeaway
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  was the offensive line is fine. I think we're fine. I think reminding
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  ourselves that Spencer Brown was also the right tackle last year when we scored the
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  second most points per game in the NFL. So like, don't get me
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  wrong, what I like better, Yes, but I think that people have
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  talked themselves into oh my god, it's going to be a disaster. And
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  my answer is, I think today showed the offensive line's going to be fine.
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  I think at the end that's a fair point. Like, oh man,
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  the mercurial nature of the offensive line, I think is also tied to
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  like Spencer Brown's mercurial nature. It seems like they go hand in hand.
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  And yeah, last week was just you know what's funny. I left last
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  week's broadcast being like, oh boy, this is super rough, And in
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  the back of my mind, I was like, you know, I always
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  reserve evaluation, final evaluation until I see the tape. And then I saw
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  the tape, and yeah, to your point, I was like, Okay,
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  I feel a little better after watching the game tape. Do I feel
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  good? But I feel a little better. And I felt a little better
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  after this game as well. And I really think that conversation in the way
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  like you broached it and how we like just discussed it right now. I
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  literally think that's going to be the conversation from a week to week perspective.
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  Like this Bill's offensive line, I think it's a fine, too good offensive
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  line, and if Spencer Brown stabilizes, this is an offensive line that's like
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  I don't know, like fifteenth, the thirteenth or twelfth in the NFL,
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  which is in an ideal world you have an amazing offensive line. You've got
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  one, at least one all pro or a couple if you're the Eagles or
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  the Chiefs or whoever. But you don't need this amazing offensive line with what
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  Josh Allen can do and with like the rest of the weapons that they have,
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  you just need you just need a high floor. You just need a
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  semblance of consistency. You need to just reduce those dips that you get from
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  last year it was from Roger Saffo when and Spencer Brown. This year it
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  looks like it's more kind of isolated into the Spencer Brown bucket, but yeah,
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  it was. You know, I do want to see the tape as
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  always anytime time anything having specially offensive line people, I think anyone who doesn't
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  put in the work that you do and Eric does don't realize how much it
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  changes just flipping vertically and being able to see the spacing where right now when
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  you're looking on the angle and you can't really tell was that passed off or
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  did he get around the shoulder there, or was that a stunt or a
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  loop coming back? And all you kind of see is some of the chaos
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  that's there. When you just flip it and are able to see it vertically,
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  it makes such a big difference, especially for you know, defensive backs
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  and line play are the two that make the biggest difference being able to see
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  that, and I will reserve that until we can see a little bit more
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  of the offensive line. Yeah, absolutely, anything with like trench play and
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  secondary play. To your point, you need that end zone angle and that
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  as wide sideline angles you can to really kind of put everything together because like
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  we always say, like we don't know the calls out there, and so
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  you're trying to grab as many breadcrumbs as you can in order to piece together
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  what actually happened out there, so that way you can properly evaluate, and
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  you need those camera angles to be able to discern everything, and so I
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  think that's a solid point. I echo your sentiments with like feeling a bit
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  better about the offensive line I eat and again not celebrating, not lauding it
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  as you know some all pro but I think is I think when we had
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  Brandon Thorn and he talked about he had them in the sixteen to twenty range
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  with Spencer Brown as the question mark. So I think your rating of Hey,
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  if he stabilizes, I think that's right where we'd go from probably slightly
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  below average to slightly above average. Yeah, and then I and I again,
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  I would like it to be better than that, but I'll take that
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  there's only so many There's only so many spots that you can have like B
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  plus and A minus guys, like it's just not feasible. And as much
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  as I would like one of those spots to be the offensive line, you
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  know, to each their own and now they build their rosters and how things
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  go. But all the good things in time, all good things don't good
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  things in time. I my first one is a bit tied to the offensive
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  line, but not just the starters going through while everybody the run game in
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  general, I keep finding myself like week after week and especially after this game,
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  Like, I just like what they're doing from a run perspective, like
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  the physicality, the holes that are continued to open up, the success we've
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  seen for James Cook with regularity. We saw success today for Damian Harris,
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  we saw success for Garanton Emmons, we saw success for Ty Johnson, and
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  you know, I want to shout out the running backs for having that success
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  there. But I think when you plug in all these different backs and you
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  continue to see all the success, you have to give a significant amount of
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  credit to the offensive line and the scheme and what's being done up front.
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  And I've been banging the drum for how important I think the run game is
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  going to be for the Buffalo Bills coming into this season. No, that
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  doesn't mean it needs to be like a fifty fifty split or there needs to
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  be some specific ratio, but with the nature of how NFL defenses are and
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  the Bill is needing that pivot, I thought the run game was significantly important,
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  especially with how it ties to twelve personnel, YadA, YadA, so
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  on and so forth. I was very encouraged by another strong performance not just
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  from the starters on the offensive line, but the Alec Anderson's and the Ikebud
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  curse, and I mean Ryan Bates is technically like a starter, but him
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  rolling with the twos even some things we saw from Vandam Mark at certain points.
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  All again, from a run perspective, it's nice to see the Bills
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  developing an identity when it comes to the run game and maintaining physicality from week
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  to week while not losing execution. And to have that physical presence in the
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  run game paired with execution and then pairing that with Josh Allen and the Bills
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  passing attack, that gives me a lot of hope for what this offense holistically
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  could be come regular season time. Really well said, and I think that
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  I think there's actually even more to take from that, because obviously you look
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  at it and thirty three carries for one hundred and seventy four yards five point
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  three yards to carry. That's awesome by any standards, But it wasn't bloated
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  by like an eighty yard run. Yes, heck, the one young long
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  run. I think John Robert here on Facebook, who's even talking about Darrenson
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  evans thirty five yeard touchdown run was awesome? Like that was he earned every
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  one of those yards like that. There was no blown coverage, no easy
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  nothing to that. He broke on four tackles for that run. And the
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  thing that I like is it also wasn't James Cook earning yards by beating people
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  to the corner and sweeping around. I love the fact that he looked pretty
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  tough running up the middle. And then you bring in Damien Harris and it
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  was only seven carries, but he looked pretty good. He looked tough,
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  he looked like he looked like what we expected to add when we brought a
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  guy like that in. And I know in the cover one chat during the
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  game, we were kind of debating on like, huh, it's interesting that
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  they rested Murray and that they gave Harris maybe a little bit more run than
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  you would expect in a preseason game. And I think a lot of that
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  is simply he never touched the ball in either of the other two games.
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  And out of all the players in any position in training camp, the ones
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  who get the least realistic work are running backs because you even when you go
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  thud, you don't take to the ground, so like, you don't really
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  know, Okay, would I have kept running or would he have tackled me?
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  Did I actually break that tackle or did he not? Like the running
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  backs get them fraud, but I mean they let you know, they get
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  the least they get the least real world reps of any position everybody else.
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  Like when dvs and receivers go at it like they go at it like in
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  a game, like that's real that you know, they get flagged, they
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  get, they argue about physicality. Nobody does that with a running back.
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  Like nobody's like, you know, destroy. You don't have Matt Malona full
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  speed as a missile there. So I love the look of what we got
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  with all those guys getting real reps. I think it made sense to give
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  Harris run. I think we're gonna see Latavius Murray and Damien Harris probably more
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  of a shared role that you had a lot of people thinking it was Harris
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  sharing with Cook and I actually think it's Cook and then Harris and Murray's sharing
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  behind him. I think Cook is kind of especially again today another one pass
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  protection, uh you know, hip having James Cook pick up actual you know,
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  pass protection. He had the really nice one last game where it was
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  you know, sticking his nose in there and stopping it dead. But at
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  least seeing that is a huge step forward for one hundred and ninety nine pound
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  guys. So I love that, and I think the running game looks good,
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  and I think I don't expect it to shift and we become like a
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  more balanced offense. I think we're still going to be one of the most
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  past happy teams in the league because we still have Josh Alanis von Diggs.
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  But you and myself and so many others have said the exact same thing.
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  I don't want to run more. I just want to run more effectively when
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  we run, and I actually feel legitimate confidence that that might be the case
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  this year. You know where I could see a significant uptick in overall run
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  percentage the low red zone especially, But I could see red zone time the
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  Bills just really lean into the twelve personnel or heavy looks and they run it
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  down people's throats with Harris or Murray or You're running it down and people know
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  that tendency, and that's when you start to build that Josh Allen and bootleg
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  game and you get him on the move and you put defenses in absolute hell
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  come red zone time. That was also encouraging from the run game today.
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  You know, Damon Harris gets almost like walked into the end zone. You
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  did the line go ahead. So one thing that gets lost in the legitimate
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  concern over Spencer Brown voiced accurately. He's still a pretty badass run block is
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  a tremendous run blockers see his physicality and athleticism on like almost every rep in
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  the run. That play, that play for the touchdown that you reference is
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  what spurred it. In my mind. I was watching, I could tell
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  what was coming. You could see the way the motion went. You could
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  see, I think it was Surefield or Shorter kind of went out and then
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  kind of cut back a little bit, and I'm like, oh, they're
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  just gonna run right up there behind there. So I'm watching torrents in Brown.
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  They just took the two defensive linemen and walk them back like four yards,
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  and Harris just kind of like trotted along into the open space behind them
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  and was like, oh, hey, I guess it's scored now, Yeah
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  right, let me just fall into the end zone. Yeah. It was
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  just the offensive line created that vertical displacement, re established the line of scrimmage.
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  Harris. You know again he finds his way gets in easily. Yeah.
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  It that piece I think is going to make life so much easier for
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  Josh Allen and Ken Dorsey and just again put defenses in hell because then you
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  have to respect that piece down low when Murray or Harris come in and they're
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  so effective in the red zone, especially around the goal line. And then
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  you add in the athleticism for Knox and Kincaid and all the other pieces.
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  That's really where I'm even more excited to see what the run game can do.
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  Or again, if you have those wonky, those one off games where
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  this team is tremendous in coverage but their run defense sucks. Okay, cool,
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  We're going to run it down your throat. Maybe maybe instead of our
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  normal like sixty five thirty five ratio, maybe it's a little more fifty five
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  forty five today, Or if there's a weather based game. Just knowing that
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  they have that in their back pocket and having that gun in the holster and
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  an actual ammunition for it has been very excited, so very pleased with the
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  run game piece. What was your second takeaway from there? So I know,
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  and we were kind of prepping ahead of time and you had said I'm
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  sure there's some overlap. My second one, I know there's overlap because I
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  saw your fantastic tweet about it and I had joked about how, you know,
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  Dalton Kincaide has been a lot of things so far, and there's been
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  a lot of encouraging signs. Obviously, the use is just going to be
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  great. The you know, the nuance and the route running his you know,
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  everybody talked about his smoothness and his efficiency with his footwork. Well now
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  we saw he's also pretty savvy, pretty smart too, because there was an
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  uncatchable ball going over his head and there was the tiniest bit of contact from
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  the defender and he's straight out like Emmy Award winnings sold it and ten took
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  a dive and got the defensive past interference. It's a rookie. It was.
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  It was soccer level like I'm in the box, someone touched me,
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  I need to draw the penalty like that. Yeah, it wasn't like I
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  think my text or by cap my reply you was. It was like seven
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  percent interference selling like it wasn't completely fabricated, but he like barely touched and
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  just completely sold it. And it's just one more heady, little mature thing
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  to get excited about, and all all the reasons that everybody rightfully throws out
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  the hey pump your brakes. You know, look at every rookie tight end
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  production over the years. That's because of the lack of maturity and knowledge and
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  nuance in the mix of past running, working with the receivers on the route
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  running and working with the offensive line coach on the blocking. He's already got
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  all this stuff. He doesn't have to worry all that much about this stuff.
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  He's gonna play, and he's gonna play well. Yeah. He Oh,
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  real quick, I gotta gotta rules. Super chat. I'm mac priority.
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  Carl. You are a regular supporter and viewer here of the show,
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  and I think the brand as a whole, so Carl, Yeah, Carl's
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  fantastic one. Thank you very much for being here too. Thank you very
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  much for the super chat and the comment here as well. Carl says with
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  McGovern out, I watched Edwards and he did well. Yeah, I'm excited
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  to see. There were a couple reps on the broadcast where I saw really
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  good seals from David Edwards and just good movement from him. He's someone too
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  who. I thought He's had a good preseason overall. I wish, you
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  know, when we mentioned it earlier, with the depth inside, I really
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  wish I felt so secure about the tackle grouping as I did the interior.
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  That's it's McGovern and Bates and Torrents and Edwards and even like Nick Broker and
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  Alec Anderson. Inside I'm like, oh, these guys are cool. And
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  then we get to the tackles and I'm just like, whoof dude. Ike
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  Bocker and Nick Broker are like NFL playable guards, and there are fifth and
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  sixth guards and aren't going to make the team, And we're not sure if
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  we have two NFL starting caliber tackles on the rest are amongst everybody. And
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  I love that they put Alec Anderson at right tackle today and I was like,
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  let's get him some work. And then he got worked. For anybody
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  who doesn't know what the strip sack fumble that they got Kyle Allen on.
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  I looked back, I saw seventy. I was like, wait a minute,
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  isn't that Alec Anderson. I had to like go back and look.
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  I even had to like go in and look up the roster numbers to make
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  like, did I miss something here? Was that Alec Anderson is Ryan Vandermark's
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  seventy I swear to god, That's literally what went through my head was like,
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  did they switch? No, alc Anderson was playing right tack. One
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  got roasted, but good for them trying to see if there's anything else out
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  there, and he hadn't. You know. What's what sucked too is there
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  was a couple reps before that where they ran the ball where you just saw
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  his physicality and nastiness from the tackle spot just washed his man down. And
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  I was sitting there like like on bated breath, like, oh, please
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  work out at right and then that sack happened and I was just like,
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  crap. Same thing with Vandermark. Vandermark looks really good at left tackle,
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  when you put him at right tackle and it's like he doesn't know how to
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  play again, they're completely different spots. But it's just like, oh,
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  I just we find we have all this death coming out of our ears and
• 22:15
  our eyeballs at the on the interior, and we just don't have it on
• 22:18
  the on the bookends. Yeah, it's that. I mean, there's a
• 22:22
  reasonable discussion that Ryan Vandermark has played better at left tackle than Spencer Brown has
• 22:29
  at right tackle. Unfortunately, Ryan Vandermark has not played better at right tackle
• 22:33
  than Spencer Brown has played at right tackle, so it doesn't really matter.
• 22:36
  I would entertain the hell out of that discussion if Vandermark at left tackle had
• 22:41
  played that same way at right tackle, I would be here for the discussion
• 22:45
  and debate of like, should Ryan Vandermark be the started right tackle? But
• 22:48
  no, he's been even more mercurial with most significant weirdly worse. Like I
• 22:52
  know, I get it. His UDFA. He's doing everything he can just
• 22:56
  to play at a NFL roster level to make a team he has like that
• 23:00
  that will come up. He is our backup left tackle right now in my
• 23:03
  mind, Yeah, I put him over Questenberry. Yeah, I think he's
• 23:07
  bet. But both Brown and Questenberry are better at right tackle than he is,
• 23:11
  which is insane much. It's just he's even worse than they have been
• 23:15
  at right tackle. It's just unfortunately, like you said, well, I
• 23:19
  don't want to derail this completely, but at some point we'll get to the
• 23:22
  point of do we need to find out if Ryan Bates can still play right
• 23:26
  tackle? He did a Penn state like at some point are we gonna need
• 23:30
  to find that out? Yeah? Does he have to be like a complete
• 23:33
  Swiss army knife And they're like, we need you to know four positions like
• 23:37
  legitimately from the left guard spot to the right tackle spot. But yeah,
• 23:41
  I just think awesome comment there, Carl, and thank you for the super
• 23:45
  chat. And I'm right with you there on Kinkaid. I don't even have
• 23:47
  that much to add, Like I just it's what was cool today was and
• 23:52
  again, like you referenced in that tweet, like I just he just seems
• 23:56
  so ahead of the curve and so far at danced in all like the nuanced
• 24:03
  and technical areas, Like it's one thing to come into the league and be
• 24:04
  like, well, I mean, yeah, of course he's fluid in athletic,
• 24:07
  because he's a fluid and athletic guy, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 24:10
  But to be able to continue to see him understand leverage and coverage and he's
• 24:17
  beating guys in one on one scenarios, whether it's third team or second team
• 24:21
  ors first team ors, like he is proving to be a matchup advantage against
• 24:25
  linebackers and against safeties and man coverage and yeah, just those little bits today
• 24:27
  of him knowing like, oh, this guy's grabbing me here, cool,
• 24:32
  let me lean a little bit this way and go down. And he drew
• 24:33
  both calls, sold them tremendously, like especially the second one, like you
• 24:38
  said, like his arm got grabbed, it didn't get grabbed at point where
• 24:41
  he should have fell down to the ground. And then he and then Rona
• 24:44
  commented into the chat like he was on the sideline kind of like laughing about
• 24:45
  it because you could tell people were, you know, giving him a little
• 24:48
  bit for it. And even though, but even the one before on Tyreek
• 24:52
  Stevenson in the low red zone, he draws that flag because of a good
• 24:56
  route, Like he gets into Stevenson and plants and goes out and Stevenson has
• 25:00
  to tug and grab and he doesn't embellish that one. He legitimately draws it
• 25:03
  because of his feel for the man, feel for the spacing and understanding of
• 25:07
  what he needed what he needed to do. Oh, there's John saying it
• 25:10
  too. Yeah, he wasn't laughing on the sidelines, like he knew what
• 25:11
  he did. And you know, him having that awareness and that presence of
• 25:17
  mind already before we've even hit the regular season, and also comment from Walter
• 25:22
  Kincaide only played his third preseason game already has the rest of his pockets.
• 25:25
  Things are looking promising and yeah, like it's I feel like some people kind
• 25:29
  of like say it like jokingly, that's a significant peace to understand how to
• 25:33
  draw those calls and play the play your opponents like that, that's not a
• 25:38
  regularity for rookies, let alone rookie tight ends like he's ahead of the curves
• 25:42
  significantly and we're very excited. All those cliches you hear about like second and
• 25:48
  third year bumps, like oh, the game's slowing down for you, and
• 25:52
  you hear like the guys where you hear to, oh, he plays at
• 25:56
  a different speed, Like it's the people that it comes naturally too, those
• 26:02
  things just like he doesn't have to worry about all the other things, where
• 26:07
  other guys literally in their minds might be counting their steps might be like folks,
• 26:12
  Okay, I know I need to make sure you know to get my
• 26:15
  get out of the break, and okay, I gotta make sure I want
• 26:18
  to give a headfake this way and then I want to go that way.
• 26:19
  And like they're having to think through those things because they're trying to focus on
• 26:23
  it, whereas he doesn't have to worry about it at all. Like all
• 26:26
  he has to do, he knows what to do intuitively, so he's able
• 26:30
  to focus on Oh wait, oh that's my arm a little bit. Oh
• 26:33
  here we go. Oh no, like grat It's just the fact that he
• 26:40
  can have the presence of mind to do that in his third preseason game is
• 26:45
  just very encouraging. I want to make two big video out of it.
• 26:49
  But it's just another little sign that, like, hey, all the excitement
• 26:53
  and hyper on this guy, it's okay to get excited. He's going to
• 26:56
  be really good. Yeah. I think it's fair to say at this point
• 27:00
  he's probably on track to be the greatest NFL player I've ever seen, probably
• 27:03
  of all time. And I actually that might be under selling him a little
• 27:07
  bit. Michael Jordan might need to work all acts. Yeah, messie.
• 27:15
  So I will say the one thing. And and even like Seth here,
• 27:22
  there were people, you know, Daniel Jeremiah had him as his number nine.
• 27:26
  We're talking about that was sitting You and I were sitting there at night
• 27:32
  one talking about like different draft boards and stuff, and we were like,
• 27:34
  wow, Jeremiah has Kincaid's super high Yes, yeah, And that was,
• 27:38
  like, you know, I tell everybody all the time, I don't even
• 27:41
  start my draft work until that time. Like, so at that point was
• 27:45
  literally when I was discovering he was a human who existed. Oh this is
• 27:49
  a yeah. Oh hey that's a person. Oh hey, that's a person
• 27:53
  that Daniel Jeremiah has a ninth overall. And now fast forward and now he's
• 27:57
  my favorite person ever. So but I will say the one like hot take
• 28:03
  that I put out there was after some of the initial hype and things like
• 28:07
  that, was I think Dalton Kincaid is going to be the greatest tight end
• 28:14
  in Bill's history before his rookie contract expires. Oh I like that, And
• 28:22
  I feel better about it now. I feel better I was. I was
• 28:26
  just being you know, hyperbolic in the moment, But I feel better about
• 28:30
  it now then I even did in the moment because five seasons worth of the
• 28:34
  stats I think he's gonna put up, I really do. I think he's
• 28:37
  going to own every Bill's tight end record because it's a really low bar,
• 28:41
  sadly, and he's going to own all of them within those first five years.
• 28:45
  I like that stance. I also really like this is a good comment.
• 28:48
  Calm down, Kinkaid has to surpass Hella first. Funny you say that.
• 28:53
  Let me get to my third point for offense. There you go,
• 28:56
  so one of my top three points was also Dalton Kinkaid. So there's that
• 29:00
  overlap. So Greg, the floor is yours again for your number three point
• 29:03
  for the offense. Hopefully today was the wake up call that Andy Isabella is
• 29:10
  a very nice story and I even think still in discussion for maybe snagging that
• 29:15
  fifty third roster spot. He's also not Julian Edelman plus West Welker plus coll
• 29:22
  easily except faster. I love the plus, not even that he's them individually,
• 29:26
  all of them combined. Plus runs a four two nine. So I
• 29:32
  just hope he fumbled, you know, he fumbled the punt return. He
• 29:36
  was okay in the couple of routes that he ran. He was running routes
• 29:40
  in the third and fourth quarter. He was playing special teams in the third
• 29:44
  and fourth quarter. If we release him, no one is going to claim
• 29:48
  him, no one is going to sign him. If we release him,
• 29:52
  he will very easily make it on to our practice squad. If Khalil Shakira's
• 29:56
  rib injury is more serious than what some people think, or maybe we find
• 30:02
  out it's more serious than we know, and he goes on short term,
• 30:04
  I r I think it is completely feasible that Andy Isabella is the next receiver
• 30:11
  that gets called up. But if you want to be honest, I think
• 30:15
  you can make just a good a case for Keishan Johnson and that he's been
• 30:19
  just as good or better, but that he didn't have the draft pedigree in
• 30:23
  the forty time, so nobody got excited about him actually producing or out producing
• 30:30
  Isabella every game. So again I started out trying to like, calm everybody
• 30:38
  down, just hold on, just settle down. It's not as exciting.
• 30:41
  And then they gave him his own press conference, and he was getting reps
• 30:45
  with Josh Allen and they were trying to give him like first team gunner reps,
• 30:48
  and I was like, all right, he's obviously showing them enough in
• 30:52
  practice that they're trying to find can we get him on the roster here somewhere?
• 30:56
  So I had to take it seriously. I'm like, all right,
• 30:57
  I moved him up. He's he's now there with Shakier and Shorter and those
• 31:02
  guys fighting for one of the roster spots. And I think today showed all
• 31:06
  right, it was okay to pump the brakes a little bit and that he
• 31:11
  still has a shot at the roster. But if we release him, no
• 31:15
  one's gonna care. And you could tell for anybody who wasn't in Buffalo and
• 31:18
  had, like I had to watch it on the NFL Plus broadcast, which
• 31:23
  meant the Bears broadcast. I hate listening. I don't mind national broadcast.
• 31:27
  It's horrible listening to opposing home teams. Like how home teams have to listen
• 31:32
  to a steep tasker and Chris Brown it's fantastic. So you could tell the
• 31:38
  Bears announcers there the language and the tone was, oh shit, Andy Isabel
• 31:47
  is still in the league. That's funny. They didn't go They did not
• 31:52
  know he was on a roster until he caught a ball and they were like,
• 31:56
  oh, Andy Isabella kick Believe the phrase was Andy Isabella is still kicking
• 32:02
  around and on a new team. Oh that's brutal. I believe that was
• 32:06
  the phrasing. You So just to get outside of our bubble, To get
• 32:10
  outside of our bubble, a team with a roster that needs help. We're
• 32:17
  not aware he was in the league. Fair point, fair point, and
• 32:23
  I guess a negative strike to Andy Gotabella making this team. I like your
• 32:29
  point about Keishan Johnson because he getting so much of the conversation has been well,
• 32:37
  you know Isabella and then like Shaquiers like crept into it. But a
• 32:40
  lot of it initially was like, oh are you keeping shorter? Are you
• 32:43
  keeping Isabella? Like shorter Isabella, shorter Isabella. And after the first game,
• 32:46
  I was like, I like Keishan Johnson. I was like, aheah,
• 32:49
  but it's one game. He runs Chris routs for his size, he's
• 32:52
  got good hands, he plucks the ball like I'm here for that conversation.
• 32:57
  If that's funny from rj oh how Andy is still in the league, will
• 33:00
  hang in the hallways? Well, it's in board material, baby. Look
• 33:02
  what they're saying about you, Andy. Yeah. I think it's an interesting
• 33:07
  conversation to see what I mean. It starts with how many receivers are they
• 33:10
  going to keep? And what's money? The situation is, you know,
• 33:14
  Isabella looked really good, but it's also kind of replacement level in certain areas
• 33:19
  at a certain points. Shorter had a really good game last week, but
• 33:22
  then followed it up this like in between that good game against Pittsburgh was him
• 33:25
  being non existent in week one against the Colts and then existing today, but
• 33:30
  in mainly a negative fashion. A lot of it. It's like several drops,
• 33:32
  him not really playing to his size, and you know, again that
• 33:37
  drops issue was something that kind of plagued him. A one catch on five
• 33:39
  targets for Shorter today and it wasn't one of those like well, he was
• 33:43
  targeted and it was overthrown every time, like Nabe one maybe one. Three
• 33:46
  of those were in the bread basket in his hands. Granted a couple of
• 33:50
  them were contested catches, but with his size and his frame, you'd like
• 33:53
  to see him go up and win those balls. Like, I think it's
• 33:55
  a very fair if they keep six receivers, and I'm saying Shakira is like
• 34:01
  one of so if they if it's Digs and Davis and Hardy and Sherefield and
• 34:05
  Shakier and that sixth receiver is justin Shorter, Okay, If it's Andy Isabella,
• 34:09
  okay, if it's Keyshawn Johnson, Okay, Like I think you could
• 34:14
  make a case for any of these guys at some point, and now it
• 34:15
  becomes that the time honored tradition of okay, who can we stash your your
• 34:22
  your comment, and joke of always like okay, who can we tell to
• 34:23
  go wait in the parking lot for fifteen minutes so we can go do something
• 34:27
  with them and then bring them back in like fairness, Isabella is one of
• 34:30
  those guys, but so is Keshawn Johnson, so is Tarle Shavers, so
• 34:34
  is Marcel Laitman. Yeah, any of those guys could be. And so
• 34:36
  now you're trying to play that kind of that musical chairs type piece. But
• 34:39
  yeah, I think that's a fair point, Like Isabella kind of set the
• 34:42
  world on fire but also kind of came back to reality a little bit,
• 34:46
  although I think you could have had some more production today if Kyle Allen was
• 34:50
  like just airmail and throws left and right and certainers and that that didn't just
• 34:52
  affect Asabella, that affected some of the other guys too. But yeah,
• 34:55
  that that that receiver spot is very much. I think it's up for grabs
• 35:00
  for more than from more than just like one or two guys, And you
• 35:02
  can make a case in a multitude of ways, depending on how you're feeling
• 35:06
  that day, Like there's a significant decision that has tom I mean significant as
• 35:09
  far as like who's going to be the sixth receiver on the depth chart,
• 35:13
  but significant as like you could make a case going anyway which way for any
• 35:15
  of those three guys. Fair point. I'm also going to stick with the
• 35:20
  passing game piece, but I'm gonna tie to a personnel grouping. I'm gonna
• 35:23
  tie to the twelve personnel piece. Just the little flashes we saw today.
• 35:28
  Again, I know it's preseason, but already you saw you started to see
• 35:30
  the examples of the bind that a defense is put into when the Bills can
• 35:37
  run twelve personnel and be effective running the ball out of those formations. We
• 35:40
  saw multiple looks today where the Bears walk the safety down and we're in single
• 35:45
  high coverages and the Bills took advantage of it. There was a one deep
• 35:47
  cross or to Trencher Field that was a large completion off of a heavier personnel
• 35:52
  formation and alignment, because that's the piece two. It's not just twelve personnel
• 35:57
  and it's like, yeah, twelve personnel, but you're in a two by
• 35:59
  two gun look out of spread or something like that. No, it's twelve
• 36:01
  personnel and your two tight ends are either attached to the line or it's that
• 36:07
  hipped off look where you know one tight end is in line next to a
• 36:10
  tackle and you have the other tight end hipped off next to him. Or
• 36:15
  the touchdown to Quentin Morris was more of like an old school type of formation.
• 36:21
  You had your two receivers to the left, and then you had Gillium
• 36:22
  in an offset eye strong eye formation, and then Quentin Morris was your tight
• 36:27
  end. So running that twelve or those heavier personnel packages out of more traditional
• 36:31
  heavier personnel alignments. If you can run the ball out of those looks,
• 36:37
  defenses have to respect it. And the way they're most likely going to respect
• 36:40
  it is walking that safety down now being in a single high alignment, and
• 36:45
  you can just eat on those deep overs and those seam balls, and the
• 36:49
  Bills have the weaponry in the tight ends and the receivers to eat in those
• 36:52
  seams and eat on those crossers. And again it was a small example,
• 36:55
  small sample size, but are already starting to kind of see the fruits of
• 36:59
  that twelve personnel labor got me very excited today. Yeah, you know,
• 37:02
  I tempered some of the expectations in Italy because we talked about how, you
• 37:08
  know, they ran some of the least twelve personnel in the league last year.
• 37:12
  Also, it was, you know, falsely deflated because every time Reggie
• 37:15
  gilliams on the field, they mark him as a fullback. So we also
• 37:19
  ran a weirdly high amount of twenty one personnel when yeah, we were like
• 37:23
  we were like top three or four in twenty one, but then obviously like
• 37:27
  one of the lowest and twelve. But it's muddy because of that fact.
• 37:30
  Yeah, when Reggie Gilliam. So when Reggie Gilliam would come in a game
• 37:32
  last year and line up next to a tackle with his hand in the dirt,
• 37:38
  everyone in their mind can see that right now, you know what position
• 37:42
  that is. They called that an extra fullback on the field and two running
• 37:45
  backs. So just an f way, we weren't actually last in the NFL.
• 37:49
  In reality, all the other analysts who look at it, oh look,
• 37:52
  I looked it up. It's aid twelve personnel, we're the least in
• 37:53
  the league, but we actually weren't. They never ran twelve personnel in their
• 37:58
  life. But but my mindset was, oh, I bet you were gonna
• 38:05
  go from least in the NFL or lower even with those snaps. It was
• 38:08
  the lower third to maybe average. And I wish I could say who it
• 38:13
  was. It might have been Worn Sharp. Someone had put it out there
• 38:15
  that they thought the Bills were going to be top three in the league in
• 38:22
  twelve personnel, and my first reaction was, I don't know about that,
• 38:25
  And honestly now I'm like, yeah, maybe we will. I don't know
• 38:30
  if it's going to be as much as like the Browns and the forty nine
• 38:31
  ers or maybe the Chiefs I think are the ones that run at the most,
• 38:36
  but Ackers ran out a ton last year's Seattle did. Like, maybe
• 38:39
  we will be top five, maybe we will be one of the highest uses,
• 38:44
  because honestly, I want Duson knocks next. Defensive Browns is often as
• 38:47
  humanly possible because not only not because I want him to stay in and fully
• 38:52
  block, because at the time, just getting the defensive end to jump out
• 38:57
  another gap or to get an extra hand on him or a chip or a
• 39:00
  help on his way to leak out into his route is a huge benefit.
• 39:05
  Like the this is gonna be very condescended, even Spencer Brown can pass block
• 39:10
  when you give him an extra chip for helper of those pieces. But I
• 39:17
  mean it, like, yes, that will help Spencer Brown be more effective
• 39:22
  when you do that. So I hope that we see a ton of it.
• 39:25
  I still like Deancey Hardy and Trent Surefield, and we're not going to
• 39:29
  go away from I think the highest percentage in the league at eleven personnel pretty
• 39:35
  close maybe behind the Rams. Yeah. I actually have a bunch of a
• 39:39
  seventy two percent used rat at eleven perconnel last year, which was sixth.
• 39:45
  So that's obviously going to come down, but it's also not going to disappear.
• 39:49
  We're still going to have plenty of situations with three or even four receivers
• 39:55
  on the field, but we are we are going to see a significant increase,
• 40:00
  and I think it's reasonable. Matter of fact here, I'll flip it
• 40:02
  back to you in this way, if you have to rank for me,
• 40:07
  these four players in their percentage of snaps played on the offense, rank for
• 40:15
  me in order, Deonte Hardy, Trent Shurefield, Dawson Knox, and Dalton
• 40:21
  Kinkaid. Oh that's dirty, what's you know? What's funny? So,
• 40:24
  like Surefield and Hardy will almost cancel not cancel each other out, but like
• 40:30
  impact each other's snapshare and usage rates. I think they could be equal amongst
• 40:37
  the third and fourth high I think I think one and two Knox in Kincaid,
• 40:40
  depending on who you want to say, is going to be higher than
• 40:43
  the other. But I think one, and I won't even be surprised if
• 40:45
  it is Knox. I don't know that Kincaid literally leap frogs knocks right off
• 40:51
  the back floor block rushing and blocking scenarios, yes, where you would have
• 40:54
  knocks on the field, But I think they are one and two, and
• 40:59
  I think, you know, maybe by the end of the year, it's
• 41:01
  even Kincaid and then Knox, and then I think it's Shurefield and Hardy both
• 41:07
  pretty equal because I think Shurefield comes in anytime Digs or Davis needs a blow.
• 41:13
  Plus we'll play some slot snaps on as all. I think that Hardy
• 41:17
  plays more slot snaps than Surefield, but Shurefield plays the other two spots,
• 41:22
  and I think altogether will play about the equal amount as the third and fourth
• 41:25
  highest receiver. But I actually think there might even be a little bit of
• 41:29
  a gap between Knox and Kincaid, then Hardy and Shurefield. I think that's
• 41:32
  a very fair point. Yeah, and the twelve personnel piece is going to
• 41:37
  be a significant grouping for this team. I think they kind of wanted it
• 41:40
  to be a little bit last year and O. J. Howard just wasn't
• 41:43
  the thing. But now they've got Kincaid and it's kind of fallen into their
• 41:45
  laps a bit. And to put into I wanted, I pulled up some
• 41:50
  personnel usages from SIS. So yeah, so last year, twelve personnel for
• 41:54
  the Bells. Again, take this with a grain of salt, because Reggie
• 41:57
  Gilliam comes up the works. Twelve personnel for the Bills last year a six
• 42:00
  percent usage rate, which was thirty first in the league. Twenty one personnel
• 42:06
  seventeen percent usage rate, which was sixth in the league. So say you
• 42:09
  combine those two together, they had a twenty three percent usag rate. Of
• 42:14
  those two. The Kansas City Chiefs, for example, they're the ones I
• 42:16
  always used as that benchmark, they had a twenty eight percent twelve personnel usagrate
• 42:22
  that was third highest in the league last year. So if you're getting to
• 42:24
  around thirty percent usagrate, out of twelve personnel, you're going to be tops
• 42:29
  of the league. I think the Bills could legitimately hit that, Like it
• 42:32
  could be no, Like, I don't even think I know they've been at
• 42:36
  like thirty five this preseason. It was like, oh, it's a huge
• 42:38
  at Lara, YadA, YadA. I could see them kind of living at
• 42:40
  like thirty two thirty three, like and especially depending on the matchups every week,
• 42:45
  Like it could be a significant, significant personnel go for them. Let's
• 42:50
  reverse engineer that for a second. So let's say it's thirty two. That
• 42:53
  leaves sixty eight percent of the other snaps. Let's say that there's still five
• 43:00
  I don't know, ten percent of everything else which is empty sets ten personnel
• 43:06
  or the other direction twenty two twenty three jumbo stuff, So that leaves like
• 43:12
  fifty eight. Well, if you just split that, and let's say Dawson
• 43:15
  Knox and Dalton Kincaid both run about thirty percent each, that means that plus
• 43:22
  the thirty two that was there, now all of a sudden, each of
• 43:24
  them around the field for sixty sixty five percent of the snaps, and you're
• 43:28
  able to keep both of them fresh. They're both on the field all the
• 43:30
  time. You can do it by drive, you don't have to have anything
• 43:36
  there, and you're still getting really nice usage out of a well paid tight
• 43:39
  end and a first round pick. I really think that's feasible. I really
• 43:44
  think that's in the running. And like, yes, in more shootout games,
• 43:49
  could it be more Dalton Kincaid And in more hey kind of blowout four
• 43:52
  minute drill endings of games, could it be more Dawston Knox. I think
• 43:57
  that we could see sixty sixty five percent snapshare for both of them and have
• 44:01
  it makes sense. And again to what factors into it is they can be
• 44:06
  in twelve personnel, but they don't have to be in those formations where both
• 44:09
  tight ends are attached to the line or they're hipped off of one another.
• 44:13
  They can be in their traditional eleven personnel looks where you've got Gabe Davis by
• 44:17
  himself to the right, Dawson Knox is next to Spencer Brown, and then
• 44:21
  Kincaid is in the slot and Digs is the number one receiver to the left,
• 44:24
  and they're in shotgun. That's going to count as twelve personnel, but
• 44:28
  it's an eleven personnel look and I think those formations were going to see a
• 44:31
  bunch of because you can make the case. You can make the case that
• 44:35
  Dalton Kincaide is the third best receiver on this team, even though he's a
• 44:38
  tight end like and if he's the third best receiver, then then you're going
• 44:43
  to put him in receiver alignments and receiver sets. And if Knox happens to
• 44:45
  be on the field, cool, there's your twelve personnel. Like that's association
• 44:50
  random aside. I am in an absolutely psychopathic fantasy football league that I can't
• 44:57
  even go into full description of. It's a third two team, forty man
• 45:01
  roster fantasy football team, fancy football league where like every every defensive position,
• 45:08
  every offensive position, everything except for offensive line, kicker and punter, everything
• 45:14
  else. It came up and you know, everybody in the league knows I
• 45:17
  cover the Bills and have the show and everything like that. So anytime,
• 45:21
  so like whether to go out and sign Terrell Dodson or A J. Klein,
• 45:25
  it's like a real thing in this leg It matters in this league.
• 45:30
  So Deance Hardy is a free agent in that league. And the guys were
• 45:34
  writing to me and I said, honest to God, if you had asked
• 45:36
  me April fifteen, I would have told you, yes, he would absolutely
• 45:40
  be a target of mine because I think people are under selling how big of
• 45:45
  a part of this offense he's going to be. The contract that gave him
• 45:49
  what they want him to be. I think you should target him. And
• 45:53
  then we'd drafted Dalton Kinkid and it just like it doesn't mean like real football.
• 45:59
  I think is going to be really nice. Deante Hardy is going like
• 46:01
  a bunch of bills. Fans are going to see why they targeted him and
• 46:07
  paid him twice as much as what Isaiah McKenzie got paid. The fans are
• 46:10
  going to see that and it's going to be fun and exciting. But for
• 46:14
  like the amount of volume you need to matter in fantasy football, Unfortunately,
• 46:19
  Dalton Kinkade took all of that and it's just not going to be there because
• 46:23
  he looked so good and he's going to be the slot receiver. Yeah,
• 46:27
  not to mention, you add in red zone targets and six points for receiving
• 46:30
  touchdowns, and yeah, that's a very fair point, very fair point.
• 46:34
  All right, Greg, Let's switch to the defensive side of the ball,
• 46:37
  and I'm assuming we both had this at some point on our list, and
• 46:40
  I feel like we should just go with it because I see a couple of
• 46:43
  people are going to murder each other in the chat over it. Let's talk
• 46:45
  about corner two. I'm assuming it's on your list. Is one of the
• 46:49
  big takeaways. It's definitely on mine. And basically what we saw, so
• 46:52
  they highlighted at the start of the broadcast, Christian Benford started with the ones,
• 46:57
  and then Jane Jackson was up now, so it was Trey White and
• 47:00
  Benford, then Dane Jackson and Benford, and then Kyrie Elam came in effectively
• 47:06
  for this game, kye Elam kind of looking as corner four out of those
• 47:09
  outside corners. Now, we have continued to hear throughout the entirety of this
• 47:13
  offseason there is a plan for this competition. There is a plan for the
• 47:17
  rotation at corner two. They've been planning everything. Who gets the reps with
• 47:22
  the ones and the twos and threes each day in practice camp, the scrimmage,
• 47:25
  preseason games, all of those things. But nonetheless, kye Elam effectively
• 47:30
  being corner four on the outside and the final preseason game today is a bit
• 47:36
  noteworthy. Greg, what are your thoughts here on the cornerback two spot leaving
• 47:42
  this game here. So I have been as adamant and outspoken as anyone about
• 47:49
  the potential and possibility of what we want kyer Elam to be and how important
• 47:53
  it is, how much optionality it gives in the defense because of the possible
• 48:00
  of having a man skilled corner that can let you be more aggressive and more
• 48:07
  creative and exotic in disguise, coverages and the things that allows us to do.
• 48:12
  And I have had to, specifically in the last week or so on
• 48:15
  a couple of our shows, even I have had to kind of come clean
• 48:20
  in the fact that my desire for what I want Kayer Elam to be is
• 48:28
  better than Dane Jackson. Kayer Elam is not better than Dane Jackson. I
• 48:34
  can't continue to project the potential of what I want him to be over the
• 48:42
  reality of what's there. And I know some people will counter to that say,
• 48:45
  yeah, but you gotta let him play through the snaps and things like
• 48:49
  that. The Cardinals can let a guy with potential play through the snaps and
• 48:54
  struggle through it. The Texans can let a guy play through the struggles and
• 49:00
  try to reach his potential contenders. The locker room watches every day. The
• 49:07
  locker room knows who the best guys are. You have to play the best
• 49:12
  guys if you're going to preach what we preach, and that. We didn't
• 49:15
  let Ramon Humber keep the starting spot over Matt Milano. We didn't let oh
• 49:22
  god, it's leaving me the second round pick defensive tackle. The Kyle Williams
• 49:25
  played over John John McCargo. He was, he was still a first round
• 49:30
  first round pick, trade up our second pick of that draft. We didn't
• 49:32
  let John McCargo play over Kyle Williams. That's not the way it works.
• 49:37
  The best guy plays. Dan Jackson is the best guy. I hope someday
• 49:42
  kyer Elam can get his get his feet into the position where he doesn't feel
• 49:46
  the need to grab onto the receiver. Right now, he can't do that.
• 49:51
  Yeah, we can't find that out in a game. I have to
• 49:54
  let go of my projection of what I want Kyer Elam to be until I
• 50:00
  see it right now. Dane Jackson is the better football player, and it
• 50:05
  is what it is. That's that's a point and I love that point.
• 50:08
  Well, several of the points you made. One of them in particular,
• 50:10
  because it's something probably by stars. I've been saying it for a majority of
• 50:14
  the offseason, that argument for last year of well, because you know,
• 50:17
  they didn't let Kayer play, they need to get him experience in time on
• 50:20
  task and all these pieces. There's one hundred percent value to that. I
• 50:23
  think Kayer Elam would be a better corner right now had he gotten more experienced
• 50:29
  last year. I think that's a fair contention and a fair point. But
• 50:31
  when you are a team with championship aspirations, you have to weigh, Okay,
• 50:37
  what is how do we balance the long term goals and objectives versus the
• 50:43
  short term goals we have right now? Because yeah, you know what,
• 50:45
  if we play Kayer, he's probably he's probably going to be better in twenty
• 50:49
  twenty three and twenty twenty four if we play him right now in twenty twenty
• 50:52
  two if this was last season. But then also, how vulnerable are we
• 50:55
  right now because he's kind of you know, misreading some calls here and not
• 51:00
  really running this correctly, and he's not in the right place where we need
• 51:04
  him to be. That's what the conversation was last year that what I thought
• 51:07
  was based on watching the tape being in McDermott echoed some of those similar sentiments
• 51:10
  when talking about him this year, and exactly your point, Dane Jackson.
• 51:15
  He is not sexy, he's not big, he's not strong, he's not
• 51:17
  fast, he's not even really scheme versatile. But he's just reliable. He's
• 51:22
  usually in the right place at the right time. He's a lot better than
• 51:24
  Bill's Mafia gives him credit for. Because I know he had that three or
• 51:28
  four game stretch where he had some fail plays at the catch point. There
• 51:31
  was one game specifically I think against the Jets where he was targeted like something
• 51:37
  crazy like twelve times. He was and yes, rightfully that was pretty horrific.
• 51:42
  Also down the stretch the final seven games of the year, in seven
• 51:46
  games, he was targeted nine times and gave up five catches in seven games.
• 51:53
  Also, if I asked you last year, what was the most common
• 51:57
  refrain of the thing he didn't do? Oh, oh, I know the
• 52:01
  statute, Yeah, making breaking up passes places at the catchpoint. So one
• 52:05
  not only was that probably not all that accurate because he had ten pass breakups
• 52:09
  last year, what have we seen over and over this camp in preseason him
• 52:15
  making plays, him making plays on the ball and not making plays on the
• 52:17
  ball. So all the things where everyone has been so focused on the improvement
• 52:23
  kayer Elam should have made, Dane Jackson literally made that improvement to his game.
• 52:31
  So all the things we wanted kayer Elam to do, Dane Jackson not
• 52:36
  only already had the higher floor but didn't quite have the ceiling. He made
• 52:39
  the improvements on the area we wanted him to improve, and he he has
• 52:47
  that consistent floor and it's reliable. And McDermott knows where he's going to be,
• 52:52
  and more importantly, hide employer and tarn Johnson, they know what Dan
• 52:58
  Jackson is going to be. If they think he's going to be over here
• 53:00
  a that's usually where he is now. This does not mean that kayer Elam
• 53:04
  is a bust and he sucks and he should be cut or traded or it
• 53:07
  was a waste of a pick. I think there is still an argument to
• 53:10
  be made that the semblance of his ceiling is still there right now. He's
• 53:15
  just not ready to be CB two. Whether it's the grabbiness, whether it's
• 53:19
  almost the panicking. It kind of a catch point where he gets grabby I've
• 53:22
  seen him be in phase because of his athleticism and technique, and then he
• 53:27
  just grabs relatches and he can almost just see him like he's just like ah
• 53:30
  and grabs and you're just like it's it's so frustrating and he's just he It
• 53:37
  is also funny too, like he keeps being in position but like not making
• 53:40
  plays. And then on the other side of the ball, Like as soon
• 53:44
  as Benford had that really good rep today against DJ More, I was just
• 53:46
  like, of course, that's how it's going for every corner that's not Kayer
• 53:51
  Elam right now. And I still think he has that room to grow.
• 53:53
  But if we're looking at this corner too spot right now for all intensive purposes,
• 53:59
  it is danger spot. He is CB two, and then the conversation
• 54:02
  starts to have I think Benford is pretty comfortably ahead as the quarterback three if
• 54:08
  either if something happened to Dane or trade Abeas don't. I don't think we're
• 54:14
  going to see a rotation with Dane Jackson. I think he's just going to
• 54:16
  be the starter. We'll see. It's probably we've seen it enough historically that
• 54:20
  I can't dismiss the possibility. But if something were to happen to either of
• 54:23
  them. I even think Christian Benford's the next guy in and I think he's
• 54:28
  I think Dane Jackson has been better than Benford, but I think it's like
• 54:30
  this, like I think that like you can make a case that Christian Benford
• 54:35
  has been as good or had flashes as well. I think Dane's been more
• 54:37
  consistent. But Benford's here and Elam's like here. Yeah, and do have
• 54:43
  separated themselves. And it's so unfortunate, given again, it was a first
• 54:46
  round pick and they did trade up technically for him and what you wanted to
• 54:50
  be And yes he has the tools and the traits and all of these things
• 54:52
  physically, it's just not clicking right now. It's not correct. Everything you
• 54:57
  just said is why. And this comes up in the check had I see
• 55:00
  it on Twitter all the time. We're not cutting him. We're not trading
• 55:04
  him, like we're not not that, we're not trading him. Yes,
• 55:07
  every impressed, I like button silly, don't be silly, don't be silly.
• 55:12
  We're not trading him. Not because it's not possible that we may eventually
• 55:15
  trade him. Of course that's possible. We're not trading him because right now
• 55:17
  we're at like an all time low from an asset standboy, like you don't
• 55:22
  trade a guy when you're struggling and not winning a job, and at that
• 55:24
  point. Now, don't get me wrong, if someone wants to pay us
• 55:28
  ninety percent of the value of where he was, I'll listen. Somebody wants
• 55:32
  to offer us a second round pick. If or if Tampa Bay's like,
• 55:36
  hey, we'll give you Tristan Worths, whoever you would value as another like
• 55:44
  a little bit struggling former first round pick but has potent lecture, I'll listen.
• 55:49
  But some of the ideas of releasing him as absurd. It just enf
• 55:52
  why as put it on my cap nerd hatre costs us more to cut him
• 55:58
  than to just keep him on top of the fact he's twenty one years old
• 56:02
  and is still our fourth best corner. Like we we go always into the
• 56:06
  mode of either someone's a star or a bum. He has not played as
• 56:10
  well as both Christian Benford and Dane Jackson. He's played better than Alex Austin.
• 56:16
  He's played better than JaMarcus Ingram, He's played better than Cam Lewis Like
• 56:21
  he's played good enough to be on a team, he's just not our starter.
• 56:25
  So just because he hasn't played to my and I'm not even projecting this
• 56:30
  on other people, he has not played to my expectations and my hopes and
• 56:34
  my projection, but he hasn't been a bum. He just hasn't played enough
• 56:37
  to win the starting job. So people always equate, well, if he
• 56:40
  can't beat out those two, he is a bum and is a bust.
• 56:45
  That's just not Those aren't the only two options. Those aren't the only two
• 56:49
  things that are there. You know it's right now? Is it okay to
• 56:52
  be disappointed in kyer Elim? Is it okay to feel like, I don't
• 56:58
  know if we should have traded up for that guy? Absolutely absolutely, If
• 57:01
  if he was doing what he should have been, he should have beaten out
• 57:05
  those two. He should have ran away with his job and been there.
• 57:07
  He has not. It's okay to be disappointed in that. If you go
• 57:12
  back and ask Bears fans how they felt about Leonard Floyd, they would have
• 57:15
  told you he was a bus two. He's had the most the top ten
• 57:19
  sex in the NFL the last three years. Yeah, your story is not
• 57:22
  always written immediately. No, And I'm a firm believer in the whole,
• 57:24
  like you don't concrete, concretely judge or evaluate a player until after year three,
• 57:30
  even like someone who I've been consistently down on his boogie bash him,
• 57:34
  and even Spencer Brown for me as well, I'm still again year three.
• 57:37
  We'll see what happens for them. The biggest concern for elam with me,
• 57:42
  and I've said it on the show at different points, and I've said it
• 57:45
  on Twitter Sean McDermott's track record in Carolina and Philly. But even if we
• 57:50
  just exclude those and just focus on Buffalo, his track record of success With
• 57:54
  defensive backs. Micah Hyde was kind of a jack of all trades dB and
• 58:00
  more of a slot guy and a returner, became an All Pro safety.
• 58:02
  Jordan Poyer was and afterthought that when he was drafted by the Bills. When
• 58:06
  he was signed by the Bills, I'm sure Bills fans are like, who
• 58:07
  oh this safety from the Browns? Oh, who is this guy? Became
• 58:09
  an All Pro? When the Bills took Trey White at the end of the
• 58:13
  first round, I don't think many people were saying, well, this guy's
• 58:15
  gonna quarter drafted? Yeah, super like not late late, but there were
• 58:22
  significant corners taking ahead of him. And then look what they've done with Levi
• 58:25
  Wallace, Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, Tarren Johnson. Sean McDermott has this
• 58:30
  strong track record of getting every single drop of blood from a defensive backstone year
• 58:37
  after year, player after player. What concerns me is, you got a
• 58:40
  guy like Levi or Dane Jackson right who doesn't have a lot of blood in
• 58:44
  the stone, and McDermott found a way to get more blood and draw every
• 58:47
  single ounce of it out kier Naturally, he's got a ton of blood in
• 58:52
  the stone and for some reason they just it's it's taken a while to get
• 58:57
  out or McDermott can't get it out. And that's what concerns me a bit
• 59:00
  is he's on this team that has such a strong track record of defensive back
• 59:05
  development at multiple levels corners and safeties, and this guy's who this guy who
• 59:08
  is so tradesy and so tools up, is still kind of slower in that
• 59:15
  development. That's concerning for me. But again that doesn't mean well, yeah,
• 59:17
  it's because he sucks and he's done. Like we're not at that spot
• 59:21
  and in a position like corner Like the offensive line and defensive line, you
• 59:24
  can never have enough cornerback depth. So no, I'm not trading trade Kier
• 59:29
  for a sixth or a fifth. No, here's an example. I'm not
• 59:34
  a big Devin White fan, so this is even the name I would go
• 59:37
  with. But that's the kind of player. Now, if a team had
• 59:40
  a like questionably talented middle linebacker that they weren't sure about and that they had
• 59:47
  depth like we do, where they're like, hey, we kind of have
• 59:51
  three starting caliber guys, maybe we can I know who's the we just played
• 59:55
  the birds, the Sandborn guy, Oh yeah, Jack Sandbord, Jack Snibert.
• 1:00:00
  We're like, hey, they just send two really expensive guys. We
• 1:00:01
  probably he's not going to start for you guys, but he probably start for
• 1:00:05
  us. That kind of I don't know if Devon White's the name, but
• 1:00:08
  that's what I would need. I would need that, Like, oh,
• 1:00:10
  you're going to offer us a guy who would come in and start at middle
• 1:00:14
  linebacker immediately, or you would offer us a guy who would come in and
• 1:00:16
  start at right tackle immediately. Okay, now I'm listening, but just trading
• 1:00:22
  him for the point of like he's a bum we need to get him off
• 1:00:24
  the roster. I'll take a fourth round pick. No, like, we
• 1:00:28
  don't. There's no value in that. That's not going to help us with
• 1:00:30
  anything. Kyriela might still help us, we don't know. So I would
• 1:00:35
  need a name again. I don't think I would pick Devon White, but
• 1:00:37
  that's the kind of name I would need in Chicago and be like Kyriel and
• 1:00:42
  for Tremaine, what do we think? What do we think? I'll give
• 1:00:46
  you Kyrie Elam and Ryan Baite. You wanted both guys, they'll stay here.
• 1:00:51
  Just give us Tremaine Edmond's back and we'll call it even and ninety percent
• 1:00:53
  of his salary and we'll call us space space Totally fine, and yeah,
• 1:00:57
  good coming here from Beata Jim saying, yeah, it's not like Benford and
• 1:01:00
  Jackson are bad. They're both playing it above average CB twos. Yes,
• 1:01:02
  that's Dan Jackson has. He has a high floor. The problem is his
• 1:01:07
  ceiling is like low end CB two and that's not sexy enough for people and
• 1:01:10
  also too even with the rookie argument, and I know you've said it a
• 1:01:14
  bunch on your show and on Twitter for all the people who are like,
• 1:01:17
  oh, because you know McDermott's holding Eland back because he doesn't play rookies.
• 1:01:22
  He played Benford a bunch. We started the sixth round rookie over the first
• 1:01:28
  round rookie. He seems perfectly fine starting rookiews. What are we doing?
• 1:01:31
  What are we doing? Oh? That corner conversation, Yeah, very violatile.
• 1:01:35
  I do want also all the other just since the same people who yell
• 1:01:38
  at me about that, it's usually about one other player. Do you all
• 1:01:42
  feel the same about Kalil Sshakire right now dropping the heat? Do you all
• 1:01:46
  feel just as confident that it was it was Sean McDermott holding Khalil Shakir back?
• 1:01:51
  Is that what you feel now? M Not great? Not great?
• 1:01:55
  All right? Moving? Actually, I do want to say one thing.
• 1:01:58
  I did see how some of I scrolled back and saw how the chat kind
• 1:02:00
  of went to chaos a little bit. I saw some of the insults that
• 1:02:04
  were slung a people. This is just for this show now, or anytime
• 1:02:07
  anybody tunes in certain certain attacks that are laid and the type of insults to
• 1:02:12
  certain groups of people. If that type of stuff is used, you're gone,
• 1:02:15
  and I'll continue to remove you every time you show up that type of
• 1:02:17
  insult and that level of immaturity and nastiness and maliciousness from a verbage standpoint,
• 1:02:22
  I won't tolerate on the show ever, So you know who you were and
• 1:02:24
  what you said. Yeah, you're not great, not great, my man,
• 1:02:29
  not great. All right, let's move on to another point for the
• 1:02:32
  defensive side of the ball. Hopefully it's something that unites the people and brings
• 1:02:37
  everyone together, but I doubt it will be so, Greg, what was
• 1:02:38
  your other big takeaway? Well, just because you said that, I'm debating
• 1:02:43
  switching. Yeah, because we still don't have an answer middle linebacker. I
• 1:02:51
  have so many eggs in the basket of going into camp. I thought the
• 1:02:57
  betting favorite and the most likely league guy to start with Terrell Bernard. I
• 1:03:02
  said, I hoped Dorian Williams would run with it because of his traits and
• 1:03:07
  some of the flashes. I was virtually certain that Terrell Dotson would get the
• 1:03:13
  first snap there just because that's how we operate, and he was the guy
• 1:03:15
  who stepped in for Edmonds, and he was the veteran, and that I
• 1:03:17
  think the most likely eventual starter was Terrell Bernard. Then we saw him look
• 1:03:23
  good in camp dropping into coverage, moving in space. He got tied for
• 1:03:28
  the most first team reps. It was him and Dodson and then at one
• 1:03:31
  point Specter and then just Dotson and Bernard. Yeah, and then he heard
• 1:03:37
  his hammy, and then after he heard his hammy, everyone else played like
• 1:03:42
  poopoo. So in my mind it's only increased that likelihood that he is the
• 1:03:52
  most likely answer. But now I can't tell how much of that is me
• 1:03:55
  being like analytical and connecting Dotson. Now how I'm just wishing and hoping and
• 1:04:00
  that please God. So the thing I've kind of reserved myself too is I
• 1:04:06
  don't believe we have a starting caliber middle linebacker on the roster. I don't.
• 1:04:14
  We are going to start someone, and someone is going to play.
• 1:04:17
  And I think Terrell Bernard is okay enough in coverage that it's going to function
• 1:04:25
  and it's going to work, and that he has the potential to be more
• 1:04:29
  than that. But I have now seen with my eyes Terrell dots and cannot
• 1:04:32
  start. He can't. You cannot start him? Yeah, great, aj
• 1:04:38
  Klein is smart, he can call the defense, He's fine and run coverage.
• 1:04:44
  Luckily enough for us. The beginning of the season, is soft enough
• 1:04:46
  in the schedule that we could probably survive if Terrell Bernard need to miss some
• 1:04:50
  time. But aj Klein is the guy you isolate and go after like you
• 1:04:55
  target him in coverage because he just can't move like that anymore. We're not
• 1:05:00
  going to have I don't think there's any scenario we're gonna have a high end
• 1:05:03
  middle linebacker. Maybe Truell Bernard can play well enough that we feel decent about
• 1:05:08
  it. Everybody yells at me about Dorian Williams, and I just used the
• 1:05:12
  Patrick Queen example. Patrick Queen, when they asked him to carry all of
• 1:05:15
  the load of calling the defense or calling the defense, decipher in the offense,
• 1:05:21
  knowing where to drop in space, all the different things, he was
• 1:05:25
  a bust. And Ravens fans would tell you he's a bust. Guess what.
• 1:05:28
  They brought in Roquan Smith to take over all the intellectual part of it,
• 1:05:30
  and they said, hey, Patrick, go over there and see ball
• 1:05:33
  gut ball. Yeah, and now he looks great. Just go play fast.
• 1:05:36
  So all the flashes you see of Dorian Williams playing fast and looking good
• 1:05:42
  and sea ball gut ball is because they're not asking him to do any of
• 1:05:45
  the other things, and when they asked him to do the other things,
• 1:05:47
  they saw it for a little bit and went, oh no, no,
• 1:05:49
  no, right, you go over there and you focus on that. Yeah,
• 1:05:54
  we don't have that guy. Yeah, that's a fair point. And
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  a lot of the plays that Dorian Williams has been making so far, and
• 1:06:00
  I know it can get confusing for people at times because like he'll make a
• 1:06:02
  player where he's lined up in the middle, but from it, like a
• 1:06:05
  structure perspective, he's not the middle linebacker in these reps. He's the Matt
• 1:06:09
  Milano role, which is the shoot gap, sea ball, get ball type
• 1:06:13
  of role, not the more mental have to take on do the garbage,
• 1:06:17
  dirty work middle linebacker spot that Tremaine Edmunds occupied or a J. Klein or
• 1:06:21
  all these other pieces. And you I'm in a similar boat like I I
• 1:06:26
  don't love Terrell Bernard. I think he's the least of all the evils when
• 1:06:30
  it comes to the linebacker position because he doesn't have any area. I mean,
• 1:06:36
  maybe his size is this potential red flag, but Terrel Bernard doesn't have
• 1:06:41
  any one area in his game where he's a where he's deficient or he's a
• 1:06:45
  vulnerability. He's kind of just like average or slightly above average, and everything
• 1:06:48
  which isn't fun isn't although I do think he's a very good blittery comes down
• 1:06:51
  hill like yeah, flows things up, and he's very smart, very heady,
• 1:06:56
  but he's not the biggest or the fastest or the strongest. He not
• 1:07:00
  some plus athlete. He's not some plus area here like on everything. If
• 1:07:02
  you graded him in like every single silo for a linebacker, he's like a
• 1:07:06
  five and a half to a six and a half or sixty and everything.
• 1:07:11
  That's what he is. But then the other linebackers you have, like Dodson
• 1:07:14
  and Kline, you may have some areas we're like, oh, they're kind
• 1:07:16
  of like a seven seven and a half, and then they've got other areas
• 1:07:18
  where they're like a two or a one and a half, and there's that
• 1:07:21
  huge discrepancy and that vulnerability piece. And I wanted it to be Bernard all
• 1:07:27
  offseason four for those reasons. And it's funny like you kind of saying him
• 1:07:31
  being out. I tweeted it earlier in the week, like I wonder if
• 1:07:34
  him being out helped his case because no one else has really played great and
• 1:07:40
  if we're at the point right now where Terrell Bernard isn't ready for Week one.
• 1:07:44
  Oh, I feel bad saying this because I feel like it's just give
• 1:07:46
  me a J. Klein, ye like, but AJ and AJ Klein isn't.
• 1:07:50
  And this isn't because he's awful. He's very long in the two,
• 1:07:53
  with a lot of miles on the tires. AJ Klein should not be a
• 1:07:56
  starting linebacker in twenty twenty three. The fact that he's in this conversation speaks
• 1:08:00
  to the black of the linebacker position for the Bills, and there's you can
• 1:08:06
  so one. I do think that Trouil Bernard practiced in uniform the last two
• 1:08:12
  days. He was out there in team drills. He was out there in
• 1:08:15
  uniform warming up today. He had near piece in with the defense. Yes,
• 1:08:20
  and why would someone wear a near piece in the defense. So there
• 1:08:27
  were beat reporters who thought he was going to play today the degree to which
• 1:08:31
  he was warming up. So I think, fifty sixteen days from our first
• 1:08:39
  game, I think it's very feasible he could start Week one against the Jets.
• 1:08:44
  If if he doesn't, or if we need to ease him in,
• 1:08:47
  you can sell me a short yardage goal line, obvious rundown of a J.
• 1:08:55
  Klein normal first and second down of Terrell Bernard and every third and long
• 1:09:00
  just bringing Taylor rep like, like, I'm okay with that, and if
• 1:09:05
  Bernard shows more than that, and to be completely honest, it doesn't really
• 1:09:11
  matter which of Kleiner Dodson is the obvious rundown goal line. Think Dodson's actually
• 1:09:16
  perfectly good at that. He can function there. Yeah, that's he's perfectly
• 1:09:19
  good at that too. He is good at coming downhill and doing those things.
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  Yeah. And if Bernard runs with it beyond there, God bless him,
• 1:09:27
  that's great, and it just becomes eighty percent Bernard and twenty percent Rap.
• 1:09:31
  That's great. That is a wonderful thing and we will be happy.
• 1:09:35
  But that's the only scenario. And I know a lot of people in the
• 1:09:39
  chat and everybody on Twitter asked very similar questions. I want to find it
• 1:09:42
  was phrase where I think was Ryan Hill. Here, are there any starting
• 1:09:45
  caliber middle linebackers likely to be cut by other teams? No, No one
• 1:09:49
  starts. No one cuts starting caliber mid linebackers. That's part of the problem.
• 1:09:54
  Now the exception to that, So no, there is not anybody who
• 1:10:00
  was gonna get cut, who would come in and start for us. Now,
• 1:10:02
  maybe there's valuable depth, Maybe there's somebody who's worth keeping. That's possible,
• 1:10:08
  but somebody who would just come in and leap frog and start. No,
• 1:10:11
  However, we brought up Jack Sandborn. Jack Sandborne is the third linebacker.
• 1:10:15
  He's not going to play for the Bears. There are other people like
• 1:10:18
  him. There are a couple names like that in San Francisco. There's I'll
• 1:10:24
  go through. I did a list at one point. There is some depth
• 1:10:27
  out there that are going to Detroit. Because Detroit capt Alexandzeloni and drafted Jack
• 1:10:35
  Campbell. Switch means they also have Marcus Rodriguez Malcolm Rodriguez floating around there.
• 1:10:43
  There are some teams like that that have So I'm not joking. If you
• 1:10:47
  told me in a private moment, hey, we need to give up Kayer
• 1:10:53
  Elam to get Malcolm Rodriguez or to get Jack Sandborne, I would need to
• 1:10:58
  take a moment, would need to take. So like if you told me
• 1:11:02
  we could get Malcolm Redriguez by sending Kyrie Elham to Detroit, Malcolm Redriguez would
• 1:11:08
  come in and would start day one. She would come in and would start
• 1:11:12
  Day one. So again with the Devin White conversation, or whoever it might
• 1:11:15
  be, if you told me one of those, or and again, nobody
• 1:11:19
  is giving up a starting caliber tackle anywhere in the NFL. Josh Jones was
• 1:11:24
  a weird one because last year you had DJ Humphries went out. So Calvin
• 1:11:31
  Beecham and Josh Jones both played and played reasonably well. Both of them played
• 1:11:35
  last year, played better than Spencer Brown. I didn't know that they will
• 1:11:39
  always be better than Spencer Brown. Last year they both played better than Spencer
• 1:11:43
  Brown. Then DJ Humphries came back, and then they drafted Paris Johnson seventh
• 1:11:46
  overall. Somehow, the worst roster in the NFL had the two best backup
• 1:11:53
  tackles in the NFL. So Houston lost Titus Howard. They outbid us for
• 1:11:58
  him. Their pick was more value butt than our pick, even if we
• 1:12:00
  both offered fifth round picks. Of course, Arizona is going to pick Houston's
• 1:12:03
  pick over our pick. If you want to argue, should we have done
• 1:12:06
  a fourth or something like that. Whatever. At some point, there is
• 1:12:11
  a line we still could go after Calvin Beacham, but that's the kind of
• 1:12:14
  player at linebacker. Malcolm Rodriguez or Jack Schanborn are the kind of players that
• 1:12:18
  you would need to trade for one of them because they're gonna make their teams.
• 1:12:20
  Of course, they're gonna make their roster the same way, and for
• 1:12:24
  the same reason Kyer ELM's gonna make our roster, because he's good enough to
• 1:12:28
  make the roster. Just because they didn't they don't start, doesn't mean they're
• 1:12:30
  not good enough to make the roster. But that would be the kind of
• 1:12:32
  player we'd have to go after, and you'd have to give up something real
• 1:12:35
  to get because those are good players. You'd have to give up something real,
• 1:12:40
  like a maybe a third round pick, or it would need to be
• 1:12:44
  like a boogie bash a man a fourth or something like that, and they
• 1:12:46
  would have to give up something legitimate, Yeah, something real, to get
• 1:12:49
  something real, you have to give up something real. I think it's yeah,
• 1:12:53
  very fair point, and so I echo all those sentiments. Linebacker was
• 1:12:57
  the same takeaway from me to dive into a bit of the Taylor Rap piece.
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  I like it. I love it. I love the idea so much
• 1:13:04
  of Taylor Rap becoming the dime linebacker, especially if you're going back and watching
• 1:13:11
  the Super Bowl tape of them against the Bengals. He was not the starting
• 1:13:15
  safety, either of the starting safeties in that game. It was Eric Wettele
• 1:13:17
  God bless his soul, and Nick Scott. Taylor Rap was coming in on
• 1:13:23
  third downs and passing downs as the dime linebacker, and he was covering Jamar
• 1:13:27
  Chase in the slot, and he was functioning in and around the box.
• 1:13:29
  That is I would love that for Taylor Rap, the wonkiness because I saw
• 1:13:32
  a lot of the comments come through for like, oh well, like raping
• 1:13:34
  middle linebacker, rapping middle linebacker. When you get to those spots where he
• 1:13:40
  is like the dime linebacker, you don't want to get into so much of
• 1:13:44
  a siloed platoon that teams were able to dictate to you off of that piece
• 1:13:48
  where they know, like, okay, if we put that, if we
• 1:13:50
  put this personnel grouping and show this type of passing, look, they're gonna
• 1:13:54
  pull a J. Klein off the field and they're gonna put in Taylor Rap.
• 1:13:57
  And when they do that, then we can run right at him.
• 1:13:59
  And we run right at Rap, because God, the reason it works in
• 1:14:01
  those dime settings is because you're in a third and seven or longer third and
• 1:14:06
  eight or longer where they can no longer dictate because you're like, oh,
• 1:14:11
  you're going to try to pretend you're going to run. God bless you go
• 1:14:13
  ahead. Exactly that's exactly it. And you're like, oh, cool,
• 1:14:15
  Yeah, have fun gaining your seven yards because you need twelve or a first
• 1:14:17
  down and it's not going to work or whatever that is, Like, you
• 1:14:19
  don't want to get into those spots where where you're starting linebacker isn't functional in
• 1:14:27
  coverage, so you need Taylor Rap to come onto the field because then if
• 1:14:30
  teams start passing on you on first and second down uner certain formations, you're
• 1:14:33
  vulnerable. And if you want to sub and Taylor Rap for that, now
• 1:14:35
  you're potentially vulnerable against the run. And then Taylor Rap and Matt Milano as
• 1:14:41
  a run fitting linebacker two oh, isn't ideally what you want, especially on
• 1:14:45
  early downs. That's the trickiness of the platoon situation. You can get into
• 1:14:50
  tendencies and predictability, and offenses can then dictate to you and put you in
• 1:14:56
  binds. Oh Adam still want a ton of names. Devin White, Jero,
• 1:15:00
  I remember Jabro Cox from LSU or Dion Jones. There's a lot of
• 1:15:02
  like I don't want to say scrape in the bottom of the barrel, but
• 1:15:05
  these guys like names who can float around to that degree. I haven't seen
• 1:15:10
  Jabrow Cox in a bunch. I would take Devin White for what he is,
• 1:15:14
  but he's got some vulnerability issues in his game. I would have loved
• 1:15:16
  Lavonte David, his running mate in Tampa who and I heard that report that
• 1:15:21
  he said on the Rich Lavonte David said it was reached out but he had
• 1:15:27
  already signed or something, that the Bills were pushing hard and that he just
• 1:15:30
  didn't want to leave. Okay. I remember hearing the common was the Bills
• 1:15:35
  were pushing hard. Okay cool. I remember hearing something initially after he signed
• 1:15:40
  where I thought it was like, yeah, I knew they had made an
• 1:15:43
  offer, but he didn't want to leave, or he had already decided to
• 1:15:45
  stay and it was a little too little. He almost give the impression that
• 1:15:48
  if he was going to leave, it would have been for Buffalo, but
• 1:15:51
  he just didn't want to leave. That was my dream scenario with what he
• 1:15:56
  can do. And also the problem is too with the maturity of adding a
• 1:15:59
  guy like that would have been amazing, like the between the ears, the
• 1:16:02
  leadership. Yeah, not that he's perfect, but he would have been just
• 1:16:05
  Yes, he would have been fine. He would have been able to mitigate
• 1:16:08
  enough. Like he's not all pro lamante David, but he's more than serviceable.
• 1:16:12
  And what's also tough two is like with this position, we've already seen
• 1:16:15
  it in the preseason a little bit. We saw it with Dotson again today
• 1:16:18
  where he kind of threw up all over himself trying to cover a running back
• 1:16:21
  or a tight hand out of the backfield. Like the linebacker spot is asked
• 1:16:25
  to do certain things in coverage that requires athleticism, It requires the football IQ
• 1:16:31
  would understand it. Whether it's a you know, you're running Tampa two and
• 1:16:33
  you got to carry somebody vertically or you're running quarters. You got to understand
• 1:16:38
  whether the wall off number three or carry this or do that. There's a
• 1:16:41
  lot that's asked of that position. And if you have a by us,
• 1:16:45
  yes specifically by it in the Bill's defense, and if they can they don't
• 1:16:47
  have a guy who can do that, your coverage menu because become significantly more
• 1:16:53
  limited or you become vulnerable in the interior we've already seen like this is probably
• 1:16:57
  an exaggeration in a hyperbolic statement. I feel like I see more passes completed
• 1:17:00
  over the middle in the preseason than I have the last like four years which
• 1:17:03
  Tremaine umands on the field, the one replay up the seam. I can't
• 1:17:09
  remember who it was, the like watching Terrell Dots and try to drop into
• 1:17:14
  that space. After five years of watching Tremaine Edmonds dropping into that space and
• 1:17:18
  the speed at which he could do it was just like heartbreaking to be Oh
• 1:17:24
  God, yeah, so all the name and what happens isn't And there's some
• 1:17:28
  of the names that are coming up here. So I get thrown Kyle van
• 1:17:31
  noy a lot, Christian Kirksey, even Zach Cunningham and Miles Jack when they
• 1:17:36
  signed obviously Miles Jack retired, Zach Cunningham. Is he's just a slightly better
• 1:17:45
  Dots intercline? Like, yes, does he look good coming up and us
• 1:17:49
  really smart, savvy twelve year veteran. Does he know how to shoot some
• 1:17:55
  gaps and how to find the spaces to stuff for the run? Yes?
• 1:17:58
  Did you want him out in space covering Dalton Kincaid? No? No,
• 1:18:02
  he's not the coverage back. We don't want that. We have those guys.
• 1:18:06
  We already have guys who can come forward and tackle and that would get
• 1:18:13
  isolated and roasted in coverage. We don't need more of those. So Anthony
• 1:18:16
  Barr, Kyle Van Nooy, those are names that people recognize and they have
• 1:18:23
  the letter LB next to them, so people conflate that into oh, he
• 1:18:29
  has to be better than what we have, and he's not. Anyone who
• 1:18:32
  can actually cover in a modern defense is already on a roster, is not
• 1:18:38
  going to get cut and will cost us something legitimate to get very fair point.
• 1:18:43
  And yeah, it's not even to just tie it into Jeremaine Edmunds or
• 1:18:46
  anything like that, but it's it's it's a hole that exists on the team
• 1:18:51
  that has not been filled since Edmunds departed. And hopefully that's a good one
• 1:18:56
  from Chris. Names people recognize from Madden four years ago. Absolutely, Yeah,
• 1:18:59
  throw all out there and I will speak to you. I know Adams
• 1:19:03
  talked about Deon Jones. I really wanted Dion Jones like three years ago.
• 1:19:08
  I haven't paid a ton of attention. I know. Then he went to
• 1:19:12
  Cleveland and then he's gone a couple of different places. I don't know how
• 1:19:15
  it's gone the last year or two. I can't speak. He had a
• 1:19:17
  ton of a ton of tackles, but he's another dude who Like, if
• 1:19:20
  you were upset that Tremaine Edmonds made too many tackles downfield, then you're gonna
• 1:19:26
  hate Deon Jones, Like you're not gonna like him at all. Like it's
• 1:19:30
  again, but again, maybe is he serviceable? Is he more? I
• 1:19:31
  would take him over to Roll Dodson correct in our current situation. Yeah,
• 1:19:35
  in our current situation, would he be a better pairing to compete with Rrol
• 1:19:40
  Bernard guests? He would Yeah, like I would. I would take that,
• 1:19:43
  But I would also take Oh that's awesome, Tie, thank you very
• 1:19:45
  much for being here for this. I appreciate you. You, thank you
• 1:19:47
  very much. Yeah, so linebacker spot. We'll see what happens. It's
• 1:19:50
  one to watch, not great. Greg last takeaway from this game before we
• 1:19:55
  dive into some things we'd like to see going forward. I think if nothing
• 1:19:58
  else, the d defensive line has solidified the fact that they're going to be
• 1:20:02
  good because they've been Yeah, they've been good without von Miller. We don't
• 1:20:08
  even have Von Miller back yet. We haven't even played the starters for long
• 1:20:11
  stretches. We haven't even gotten the benefit. People complain about rotating defensive line,
• 1:20:15
  like it's not availed strategy that the Eagles and every and the Niners and
• 1:20:20
  everybody else uses the exact same way. We haven't even gotten the benefit of
• 1:20:26
  the waves where you get that bonus in the late third quarter and fourth quarter,
• 1:20:30
  where your defensive line is more fresh than the offensive line, where it
• 1:20:33
  actually helps close games. We haven't even gotten that yet. We haven't even
• 1:20:38
  gotten von Miller yet. And it looked really nice. So I'm very excited
• 1:20:43
  about what I think these defensive line is going to do. Somebody in the
• 1:20:45
  comments, I apologize I didn't see who it was, made the comment of,
• 1:20:50
  oh, did we start Boogie Basham today as kind of a hey,
• 1:20:55
  look, Boogie bashm is starting for the Buffalo Bill's great. Do you want
• 1:20:59
  to trade for our starting defensive end? Maybe, and that would be wonderful,
• 1:21:05
  But but in full sincerity, the fact that Boogie Basham is probably our
• 1:21:14
  sixth or seventh best defensive end County County and Von Miller like that, you
• 1:21:19
  can probably make an argument, whether it's him or Kingsley Jonathan as Our.
• 1:21:24
  You know, sixth or seventh best defensive end is actually awesome because guess what,
• 1:21:30
  both both you and I give Boogie basham An incredibly hard time. It's
• 1:21:33
  not his fault that he's not Creede front Humphrey. He did not. He
• 1:21:38
  did not cause that he's better than every other team's sixth or seventh best defensive
• 1:21:44
  ends. Like, so, yes, is he not what he was supposed
• 1:21:47
  to be? And do we hate on him a fair amount? Yeah?
• 1:21:49
  But is he better than every other team sixth and seventh best defensive end?
• 1:21:54
  Yes? Should he? Would he make twenty five other rosters in the NFL?
• 1:22:00
  Yes, I think he would. So I don't think there's any chance
• 1:22:03
  he's gonna get cut, but there's a chance he's not a Buffalo Bill come
• 1:22:05
  Tuesday. I would take it if he got some Daryl Johnson kind of action
• 1:22:10
  and got traded for a pick or a player or some kind of piece,
• 1:22:13
  like, I'd take it. And if we find out the Detroit happens to
• 1:22:15
  be a huge Boogie Basham fan, right and they want to trade us,
• 1:22:19
  I'm mon, Ross Saint Brown, No, I'm just kidding took it too
• 1:22:21
  far. Yeah, like I I teach you up for Melcolm mcgrigus, I
• 1:22:26
  know, but I don't want to go. I wanted to joke I like
• 1:22:29
  him so much. Did they have an extra right tackle? I don't know.
• 1:22:31
  I don't know who say they we don't need the trade boogie for Suel.
• 1:22:39
  At one point they actually had the exact same They had the Calvin Beecham.
• 1:22:45
  They had a guy who was a starter, and then they drafted tool
• 1:22:46
  and it bumped them into a backup. But I think he went say they
• 1:22:50
  had a couple of guys in free agency who left via free agency, like
• 1:22:53
  I think the backup to Jonah Jackson at guard, and then wanted their backs.
• 1:22:57
  Jermaine Efetti is their swing man. I would love to just get some
• 1:23:02
  kind of tackle reinforcement debt. Maybe we'll talk about that, and if Detroit
• 1:23:05
  also has Bobby Hart. Oh, I did not know that that. I
• 1:23:11
  just learned that six seconds ago. It is very funny man that I don't
• 1:23:15
  know. We'll talk about tackle and in a minute, assuming when we talked
• 1:23:17
  about our go forward. Yeah, not too much meat for me to have.
• 1:23:19
  But that was my third point as well, Like I think every year
• 1:23:24
  for the last several years, the defensive line has received significant attention in the
• 1:23:30
  offseason, whether it's the draft or free agency or both. And I think
• 1:23:32
  this year, you know, we got you know, Jordan Phillips comes back,
• 1:23:38
  Shack Lawson comes back, they re up at Oliver and then the little
• 1:23:43
  tweaks here and there to the defensive line. I think Leonard Floyd coming in
• 1:23:46
  wasn't the hugest edition, but I really liked it between all the moves that
• 1:23:50
  they made. I wanted to see reinforcement on the interior in the draft.
• 1:23:56
  They didn't. They brought in poon Afford. I've been happy with the poon
• 1:23:58
  Afford edition. This iteration of the Bills defensive line is the most confident I've
• 1:24:03
  been in in the Bills defensive line, I think since McDermot and Bean had
• 1:24:09
  spent significant resources on it every year, which is probably like the last like
• 1:24:12
  three or four years, and ever since that first Mario Addison year. Even
• 1:24:15
  some like as a again as the fact that our fifth and six guys are
• 1:24:18
  Tim Settle and Eli Anko. Yeah, how much how much better has Tim
• 1:24:21
  Settle looked? Like? I know there was some talk about like, oh
• 1:24:25
  he was playing through some injuries we didn't know about last year, and I
• 1:24:28
  always dismissed that sething like, yeah, sure he was now watching him,
• 1:24:31
  I was like, oh, all right, maybe maybe maybe he was gutting
• 1:24:35
  through some stuff last year. He's looked significantly better. He when when healthy
• 1:24:40
  and playing is like the three or the four like in the depth chart.
• 1:24:43
  Last year, he was solid and he's shown quickness. He's shown flashes,
• 1:24:45
  he's shown burst, and I love Elean Coo like I love what he does
• 1:24:48
  in the interior against the run. Healthy Jordan Phillips is a very good player
• 1:24:53
  for the Bills. The issue is he's just like never healthy. But I'm
• 1:24:56
  confident in this defensive line. I think the rotation looks good. I like
• 1:24:59
  how they're rushing the pastor, but I also like how they're how they're defending
• 1:25:02
  the run and what Sean McDermott is doing from a play call standpoint in terms
• 1:25:06
  of run stunts and run blitzes paired with regular blitzes and simulated and all that.
• 1:25:11
  I'm excited for what the d line ken be. And we saw a
• 1:25:14
  j Vanessa had a really great sack today. He had another pressure earlier,
• 1:25:17
  almost had two Kingsley, Jonathan had a nice like long arm into a spin
• 1:25:23
  back underneath we Greg Russo continues to play strong like, I'm very confident in
• 1:25:28
  this defensive line, more so than I really have been in the being McDermott
• 1:25:30
  era. And yeah, I it's I don't like Bookie Basham, but having
• 1:25:35
  it like edge five or six, you know what, that's not bad.
• 1:25:40
  Now. I'm still annoyed that we took him in the second and he's edge
• 1:25:43
  five or six. But that's a conversation for another point in time. Let's
• 1:25:45
  stay on the positive. Yeah, the defensive line looks good. We're excited
• 1:25:48
  about it now. Greg, as we start to hit our last segment here,
• 1:25:55
  what you want to see going forward? So is it one thing?
• 1:25:58
  Is it two things? What is on your mind in terms of going forward
• 1:26:02
  that you want to see this Buffalo Bills team too? Obviously, again within
• 1:26:05
  realism, you're not gonna be like I want the Bills to get Fred Warner.
• 1:26:10
  All that I need to do is get Fred Warner and Lane Johnson and
• 1:26:12
  everything's going to be fine. Everything is sweat. I don't think we are
• 1:26:21
  going to see any material transactions. I don't I think if we see any
• 1:26:29
  trades, it's going to be our players going out for future picks. I
• 1:26:33
  what do I want to see. I want to see them acquire a starting
• 1:26:39
  caliber middle linebacker and starting caliber right tackle. I do not expect to see
• 1:26:43
  either of those things. I think there is a non zero chance we see
• 1:26:47
  one. I think there's a chance that we do bring in a player to
• 1:26:54
  compete at one of those spots. I think the most likely for me is
• 1:27:00
  a Kelvin Beecham type who is an insurance policy for Spencer Brown, not an
• 1:27:04
  immediate starter. I don't expect there to be an immediate starter, even if
• 1:27:09
  we got Josh Jones, who I think played better than Brown last year and
• 1:27:13
  is also twenty five, and you could make a case should I even don't
• 1:27:16
  think he would have stepped in and started ahead to Spencer Brown. I think
• 1:27:19
  he just would have been Spencer Brown, would have had a quick cook,
• 1:27:23
  and you know we would have brought Brown in if he continued to struggle.
• 1:27:27
  So I'm even fine if it's that. So get me an upgrade for David
• 1:27:30
  Questenberry and get me a reason that it's okay to cut trail. That's that
• 1:27:38
  would I don't expect this transaction for either to be there. So what do
• 1:27:44
  I want to see. I'd like to see both of those things. And
• 1:27:46
  the reason I focus on those and started more on a negative is that I
• 1:27:50
  think every other spot on this roster we're gonna be pretty good and we're gonna
• 1:27:55
  have a really good team. And what I want to see going forward is
• 1:28:00
  full doses of the things I think we held back on. I don't think
• 1:28:02
  we saw the full aggression and exotic looks that mcdermot's going to give in games.
• 1:28:08
  I don't think we saw the full usage of Dante Hardy. I don't
• 1:28:12
  think we saw the full usage of Dalton Kincaid and everything he can be.
• 1:28:16
  I saw some sprinkles of screenplays that made me very excited. I'm very much
• 1:28:23
  And what I want to see is full doses of those exciting things, because
• 1:28:27
  I think that's real and that's going to happen. If I get a sprinkle
• 1:28:30
  of a transaction to push it those two spots, that would be great.
• 1:28:33
  But I don't actually expect that similar vote in an ideal In an ideal world,
• 1:28:40
  what I would love to see or would want to see going forward,
• 1:28:43
  and I can't. I feel just basing it like in reality is just kind
• 1:28:45
  of already makes me not even want to say it, but yeah, I
• 1:28:47
  want I want tackle depth preferably. I'd like a right tackle starter acquired or
• 1:28:53
  somebody gets like cut that's amazing, like when the Panthers cut Steve Smith and
• 1:28:58
  the Ravens are cool. Well, this always makes me think back to Daniel
• 1:29:01
  Tosh had a point to stand up like years and years ago, where he
• 1:29:04
  was like, I waste my time thinking about so many stupid things, Like
• 1:29:08
  I wonder like how come nobody drives up to me with a Ferrari and it's
• 1:29:11
  like, hey, man, I don't want this car? Do you want
• 1:29:13
  it? And then just like gives me the keys. That's what I feel
• 1:29:15
  like I'm at right now, Like I want somebody to cut that they're starting
• 1:29:16
  right tackle and they'd be like, oh sweet, the Bills can get them.
• 1:29:19
  Like I would love depth and stability indor stability at right tackle on middle
• 1:29:25
  linebacker. Like you said, though, like I just think it's it's a
• 1:29:29
  long shot of getting that. At most, you're gonna get somebody like these
• 1:29:31
  XFL guys who have been coming in. You're gonna get more of these guys
• 1:29:34
  that are like filling out the roster and just depth. But you're still gonna
• 1:29:39
  have questions about Like I don't see any move happening, either in a trade
• 1:29:43
  or somebody being cut and brought in that is going to make us feel you
• 1:29:46
  know what, right tackle is short up now, and so is middle linebacker.
• 1:29:49
  We're good to go. I don't think that's going to happen. So
• 1:29:51
  from a realistic standpoint, my number one thing I would like to see Arrol
• 1:29:56
  Bernard at the other starting linebacker spot. That is my first hope because I
• 1:30:00
  think it's the most realistic. Like I would love for someone to be brought
• 1:30:02
  in to supplant him and solidify that spot. I would love for Malcolm Rodriguez,
• 1:30:06
  or I'd even take Alexandz alone, like bring him on in, like
• 1:30:10
  give me some degree. No notes, right, they're nice like that.
• 1:30:14
  It's just those moves I don't think are realistic. But you've already got this
• 1:30:17
  guy on the roster. And to Rol Bernard, we talked about his pros
• 1:30:20
  and cons earlier and why he's kind of the least of all evils when it
• 1:30:24
  comes to that starting spot. So give me to Rol Bernard at middle linebacker.
• 1:30:28
  That's what I would like to see, even though again he's not the
• 1:30:31
  best archetype fit or frame fit. I just think he's the least of all
• 1:30:34
  evils, giving all things that have to be considered holistically. I would also,
• 1:30:39
  I guess, kind of put this up there with not necessarily realistic when
• 1:30:42
  it comes to the tackle middle linebacker spot. I wish there was some kind
• 1:30:45
  of move at backup quarterback that the Bills could have made. I wish that,
• 1:30:47
  like Mariota was like a free agent and like a Mariota level quarterback was
• 1:30:53
  just like sitting around chilling out there like I'd love to have. And I
• 1:30:57
  don't think anybody ever feels confident in their QB two situation. But I felt
• 1:31:00
  marginally, even just significantly better with case Keenum is QB two last year than
• 1:31:05
  I do with Kyle Allen as QB two this year, or if it's Matt
• 1:31:09
  Barkley. But again, nobody ever feels great with their guy as their backup
• 1:31:14
  quarterback. I would like to feel a little better. But also on the
• 1:31:17
  other side is if Josh Allen goes down, it doesn't really matter who QB
• 1:31:21
  two is because the Bills are screwed anyway. So there's also that other part
• 1:31:26
  of the conversation. I've done that rant a bunch of times, so I
• 1:31:29
  won't regurgitate it here. The amount of money that Sam Darnold, Marcus Mariota,
• 1:31:36
  Jacoby Brissette, Tyrod Taylor are being paid would have meant you would have
• 1:31:41
  had to choke. You don't choose those guys instead of Kyle Allen. You
• 1:31:45
  choose Kyle Owen and Leonard Floyd instead of those guys. So if anybody here
• 1:31:49
  wants to tell me that they would rather have Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissette,
• 1:31:55
  Sam Darnold, Marcus Mariota instead of Kyleen and Leonard Floyd, I'll listen.
• 1:32:00
  I'll tell you you're a nincompoop, but I'll listen because of course we would.
• 1:32:06
  Yes, in a vacuum, would I rather have the better player and
• 1:32:09
  not spend any money, Yeah, yeah I would. But in case anybody
• 1:32:15
  didn't watch the Falcons play last year, if we get to a playoff game
• 1:32:19
  and Patrick Mahomes looks across the field and goes, oh my god, I
• 1:32:24
  can't believe they have Marcus Mariota, ain't gonna make any difference. Changing the
• 1:32:29
  offense and I'm running a triple option all day, baby, you know,
• 1:32:31
  Like it's just one of those things where I think we tell ourselves a lot
• 1:32:38
  of things about backup quarterbacks, and we tell us some tales about teams that
• 1:32:42
  is actually the rest of the roster carrying the quarterback. And there wasn't any
• 1:32:45
  difference between Jeff Housetler and Phil Simms, and there wasn't any difference between Carson
• 1:32:49
  Wentz and Nick Foles. The rest of the roster was the reason those teams
• 1:32:54
  were in that spot, and they just happened to have a quarterback starter in
• 1:32:57
  backup who are about the same And when that guy went out, it didn't
• 1:33:00
  change anything because the quarterback already wasn't the reason they were in that spot.
• 1:33:03
  That makes me feel a little better, but it's still always bought. Like
• 1:33:06
  I always forget that when thinking about the first Super Bowl lost the Giants,
• 1:33:10
  and I'm always like, ah, and they lost to a backup quarterback,
• 1:33:13
  Like God, they lost to Lawrence Taylor and all the you know, Bill
• 1:33:16
  Belichick and Bills tremendous game plan and field goals are stupid. I don't know
• 1:33:21
  why. They don't know why we have people who kick so anyway, I
• 1:33:26
  will say the fact that we kicked the tires on Trey Lance and probably would
• 1:33:30
  have booted Kyle Allen to have Trey Lance as our project also means I'm not
• 1:33:36
  vouching for Kyle Allen because he's not good and he's we probably have one of
• 1:33:44
  the bottom third backup quarterbacks in the league. But guess what. Guess who's
• 1:33:48
  with us in that bottom third? Other top teams in the Elaine Gabbard in
• 1:33:53
  Kansas City and Trevor Simean in Cincinnati. And you know, it's just there's
• 1:34:00
  the only teams that have Jacoby Brissett are the ones who are starting Sam Howell
• 1:34:04
  m there's a reason, and that Taylor Heineke is in Atlanta because they got
• 1:34:09
  Desmond Ritter, and that the reason that the Giants paid Tyrod Taylor is because
• 1:34:15
  Daniel Jones still isn't that good. But or even Carolina like Andy Dalton to
• 1:34:19
  be in the room to help Bryce young developments. Why they do those went
• 1:34:25
  back to Houston, all those different things. Why they brought Sam Darnold out
• 1:34:30
  to San Francisco because it's still a seventh round pick in black purty. Those
• 1:34:33
  are the teams to spend money and give up a rotational valuable player instead.
• 1:34:40
  Now Adam's on fire today. You want to tell me we could go get
• 1:34:44
  Molik Willis Absolutely Absolutely. I would do that in a heartbeat. And all
• 1:34:47
  those things are reasons that next year, I actually think we need to be
• 1:34:51
  very serious about drafting a quarterback. All the all the things we discussed here
• 1:34:57
  is if the cost control is the issue, well, then shoot, let's
• 1:35:01
  we've been so good using third round picks, we probably shouldn't use one on
• 1:35:05
  a quarterback because we might miss out on taking another special team's linebacker and that
• 1:35:10
  would be terrible. Way. That's a low blow. Our day two picke
• 1:35:15
  hit rate is just too high. We can't possibly take your quarterback. But
• 1:35:20
  next year you will hear me advocating that. Now financially, we are in
• 1:35:26
  the position that we need to be taking swings there because it is the prudent
• 1:35:30
  financial decision to lock in a developmental guy. And if God forbid, you
• 1:35:34
  stumble into a Jimmy Garoppolo situation, then great, we'll flip them later for
• 1:35:39
  a better pick. Yeah. I think that's a fair point. Like I
• 1:35:42
  would like to solidify that spot and not have to just it seems like we're
• 1:35:45
  just bringing in like dudes who are like friends with Josh Allen, and he's
• 1:35:48
  like just bringing this guy. I like them this year. That's it's really
• 1:35:53
  hard to make the argument that that's not what took place this year kind of
• 1:35:56
  really seems like. But again to your point, like, if they're also
• 1:35:58
  cheap and that yes they work financially, they're gonna be bad at least be
• 1:36:02
  cheap, that's it like, and it makes your quarterback happy and you're cheap.
• 1:36:06
  And again to the overall bigger point, like, I don't know who
• 1:36:10
  the best backup quarterback in the league is, but if Josh Allen goes down,
• 1:36:14
  I don't think the best backup quarterback in the league is. I used
• 1:36:16
  Jacoby said, I think there's a good argument that Jacoby Percaid is the best
• 1:36:19
  backup quarterback in the Yeah. Sure, either one of those. And then
• 1:36:24
  I use the Patrick Mahomes playoff situation. If we if Josh Allen gets hurt
• 1:36:30
  in a game and it's finishing the game against the Commanders or the Cardinals or
• 1:36:34
  the Texans, well, guess what, Kyle Allen could probably finish that game
• 1:36:38
  two and the rest of the roster can carry us to a win if it
• 1:36:41
  gets hurt and it's a game against the Bengals or the Eagles or the Chiefs,
• 1:36:44
  haven't Jacoby persaid, ain't gonna matter. Guess who we play in the
• 1:36:47
  playoffs other good teams. This team goes as far as Josh Allen goes.
• 1:36:54
  End of story period. Yeah. I get it that some people will say,
• 1:36:58
  Yeah, but what if it's the one in difference between having home field
• 1:37:00
  advantage, you're having a higher seat in the playoffs. Sure, guess what
• 1:37:05
  if we have Josh Allen, I don't care where we play, we got
• 1:37:09
  a shot in the playoffs. If we don't have Josh Allen, I don't
• 1:37:13
  care where we play, we don't have a shot in the playoffs. Yeah.
• 1:37:15
  I spent seventeen years telling myself the rest of the roster can carry a
• 1:37:19
  team to No. The can't, No, the can't we have Josh Allen,
• 1:37:25
  all things are possible. If we don't, it doesn't matter. I'm
• 1:37:28
  not spending an extra dollar. Do you have to? I think it's still
• 1:37:31
  possible to have like average QB play and win a championship, but you have
• 1:37:36
  to be so loaded everywhere else You've got to have like all like an amazing
• 1:37:42
  offensive line, an amazing defensive line, probably like an all pro corner on
• 1:37:45
  a couple other all pro something else. So you just have to be this
• 1:37:47
  loaded square. San Francisco's a pretty reasonable case study where it's all the rest
• 1:37:54
  of the roster and the ultimate avatar play caller. I think in today's end
• 1:37:59
  of well, you need both, yes, and that's it. You need
• 1:38:02
  so many others. I don't think Pittsburgh for it. I don't think Pittsburgh.
• 1:38:05
  Mike Tomlin's a great coach, Mike Pittsburgh has a great rest of the
• 1:38:10
  roster. I don't think Pittsburgh could do it because they don't have that play
• 1:38:14
  color. I agree, you have to have both everything to mitigate the not
• 1:38:19
  having that top tier level QB. And it's hard to have all those things
• 1:38:23
  and have them click at the right time. Yeah, very fair point.
• 1:38:26
  I mean, I'm I'm in alignment in agreement with you. And Doug Peterson
• 1:38:30
  was that guy for THEE. Yeah, sparked him and they had a good
• 1:38:32
  squad and things like ALIGNE. I mean, one of the best defensive lines
• 1:38:36
  in history. They also, I don't want to they also not don't want
• 1:38:42
  to say lucked out, but like the New Orleans Saints were like nasty and
• 1:38:46
  they lost to the Vikings because of that, Like William's not making the play
• 1:38:50
  on digs and digs houses it like that Saints team. I for me houses
• 1:38:56
  Philadelphia, It's gonna end up being in but conversation for another time, Like
• 1:39:00
  they still beat the pass. They had a great game plan. They also,
• 1:39:01
  yeah, a lot of like other good The rest of the roster was
• 1:39:04
  awesome. Yeah, they had a lot of things that helped Nick foles Man
• 1:39:10
  who who also was just as good as their starter. I still the drop
• 1:39:16
  for Carson Wentz was gonna be the MVP that year. I had him in
• 1:39:18
  fantasy like he was gonna be the MVP. His drop from like, oh
• 1:39:23
  man, this guy's an MVP level. Quarterbacks who wearing three different teams gear
• 1:39:28
  workout like shot. I would use it similar to statistical runs and short windows
• 1:39:32
  we've seen for Ryan Tannehill that we've seen for Jimmy Garoppolo that we've seen When
• 1:39:38
  you have a stacked roster and you're on a hot streak as a play caller,
• 1:39:42
  a lot of quarterbacks can look awesome for a minute. Yeah, absolutely,
• 1:39:45
  Oh, I like this comment too. For Sean go back and look
• 1:39:46
  at that Saints team with Breeze. He got screwed. In a few years
• 1:39:48
  they could have wanted all. Yeah, I think of the Nickel Robi non
• 1:39:51
  interference. It's the Rams. And then, of course, and then that
• 1:39:55
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• 1:40:01
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• 1:40:09
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• 1:40:14
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  August twenty nine, Live nine pm E Stern for a regularly scheduled in season
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  for my guest on this episode, Greg Tom Seth. This has been another
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  episode of Disguised Coverage. God speed and as always, go Bills, Go Bills,