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The Road to Emotional Healing · The World Knowledge

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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening, listeners. Thank you again, as always. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so grateful for all you guys who have built this
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  Speaker 1: podcast up, who listen, who watch. And I've just been,
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  Speaker 1: you know, falling across so many different stories this year,
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  Speaker 1: and they're so different. But I came across Dawn Wilcox,
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  Speaker 1: who's on the screen, and then for those listening, you'll
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  Speaker 1: hear her voice. Yeah, I mean, I think... I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate what you're saying in the sense of, though, if
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  Speaker 1: they're going to throw out any sort of statistics on things,
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  Speaker 1: we want to know how you're getting those statistics and
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  Speaker 1: if they're accurate. And if they are accurate, then that
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  Speaker 1: makes it all the more powerful. But if you're finding
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  Speaker 1: out that not even most of homicides are reported on
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  Speaker 1: the local state level, then how are we coming up
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  Speaker 1: with these very big numbers or low numbers or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is for a given year? And so I think
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  Speaker 1: that's very concerning. I mean, I have to say too,
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  Speaker 1: one thing that's always been kind of, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how I felt about it. I guess it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: torn for me is that, you know, there are so
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  Speaker 1: many homicide cases over the year that will get highlighted
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  Speaker 1: if they're really unique. You know, like if a girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: goes on a, on a bus ride or she's with
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend, like the Gabby one, you know, and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: she's not there anymore and suddenly garners wide attention, but
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  Speaker 1: because she had a channel, you know, and people are
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  Speaker 1: following her story or if people, you know, go mysteriously
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  Speaker 1: missing in one location and suddenly you've got seven people,
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  Speaker 1: seven women who are gone, you know? Yeah. And then
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  Speaker 1: we make a Netflix movie about it. And we watch
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  Speaker 1: the Netflix movie and they make it creepy and scary
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  Speaker 1: and you get scared and you're like, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: this is so sad. But then you turn the Netflix
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  Speaker 1: movie off and it feels like entertainment. And I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that from my perspective and it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: so much like I should care as much as I
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  Speaker 1: am entertained. I was made afraid. It was very engaging.
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  Speaker 1: And then by the time it's over, I'm like, ooh,
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  Speaker 1: that's just awful that that happens. But I didn't really
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  Speaker 1: learn a ton, you know, more about just worldwide or
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  Speaker 1: even humanizing the women involved. It just seems very entertainment-driven,
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  Speaker 1: whereas what you're doing is really hard work, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're having to go through all these stories, and these
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  Speaker 1: women all have a name. They don't just have a
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  Speaker 1: number or, you know, are part of some sort of
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  Speaker 1: movie or whatever. And a phone number.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's very important to me to like include a photo,
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  Speaker 2: to include something about her. Um, but you're, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. You know, if, if you, when we
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  Speaker 2: see a picture of Ted Bundy and, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: picture of 30 women next to him or, you know,
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  Speaker 2: however many of his victims that they show, um, none
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  Speaker 2: of us can name probably even one of the women.
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  Speaker 2: They become kind of props in their own murders. But
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  Speaker 2: we all know who Ted Bundy is. And so, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I think that women's murders very much can become entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand the draw of true crime. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that true crime can be handled sensitively, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, in.
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  Speaker 2: and I think it can tell very compelling stories that
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  Speaker 2: can maybe even save other women's lives. But I think
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  Speaker 2: it has to be very much victim centered and, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, handled with a great deal of sensitivity. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately that's not always the case.
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  Speaker 1: So when you first started this, how did it come about?
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  Speaker 1: What was like the beginning for you? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, It was 2016. And, you know, this was
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  Speaker 2: always an issue that I cared about. You know, I'm 62.
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  Speaker 2: So years ago, there weren't the websites that we have
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  Speaker 2: now or TikTok or even some of the books that
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  Speaker 2: we have now about violence against male violence against women.
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  Speaker 2: And so years ago, you know, it was watching Phil
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  Speaker 2: Donahue and Sally Jesse Raphael and Oprah and kind of
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  Speaker 2: bringing these stories of what was happening to women in
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  Speaker 2: tour homes. And so kind of with that backdrop, that
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  Speaker 2: interest that I'd always had about this issue, I remember around,
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  Speaker 2: you know, 2016, Harambe the Gorilla, Matty Zoo had been
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  Speaker 2: shot and killed because a toddler had fallen into the enclosure.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, toddler was going to be injured. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he was kind of dragging him. And I was upset
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  Speaker 2: by that. I love animals. But it was very interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me to see the level of outrage, of news coverage,
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  Speaker 2: of marches, of people petitioning and holding signs. when I
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  Speaker 2: knew that right around that same time about like five
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  Speaker 2: or six women had been killed. And I have noticed
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  Speaker 2: over the years that there's rarely outrage. You know, I've
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  Speaker 2: yet to see a march about femicide in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: It is kind of so ubiquitous as to be invisible.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not really sure why that is that, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have the outrage in this country. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: definitely will see campaigns and protests and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: especially in Latin America about feminicido or feminicide is what
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  Speaker 2: they call it there. And so I remember posting about
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  Speaker 2: it on Facebook and saying, you know, it's terrible that
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  Speaker 2: this happened, but what about these women, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: people saying, well, I can care about two things at once.
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  Speaker 2: And I was kind of like, but you never say
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  Speaker 2: anything about murdered women. We're never talking about that issue.
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  Speaker 2: And kind of, I guess, in a way, wanting to
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  Speaker 2: have the data to kind of show people like how
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  Speaker 2: big this is, what a problem it is. I started
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  Speaker 2: looking for data that really didn't exist. I mean, certainly
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  Speaker 2: there were domestic violence organizations at the state level that
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  Speaker 2: kind of do memorials of women and some men who
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  Speaker 2: had been killed in their state that year. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the National Gun Violence Memorial tries to, you know, document
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  Speaker 2: a photo and two news stories about everybody killed by
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  Speaker 2: a gun in the United States. And I actually volunteer
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  Speaker 2: for them as well. But, there was no comprehensive place
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  Speaker 2: to find information about how many women and girls, because
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  Speaker 2: I document women and girls who are killed by men
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  Speaker 2: and boys, how many were being killed in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: And so I just kind of thought, well, I guess
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  Speaker 2: I'll just start documenting. And it's not, it's really not
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  Speaker 2: because it's more than that. It's, it really is much,
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  Speaker 2: a much fuller database than just not just numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Um,