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5/26/26: Trump Goes To War For Prediction Markets, Hasan Piker Subpoenaed By Feds Over Cuba Trip · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: dot com. Turning now to prediction markets, under potential legal
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  Speaker 1: threat but definitely getting a major assist from the US government.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put this up here on the screen. Minnesota has
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  Speaker 1: now become the first state to ban prediction markets. The
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  Speaker 1: governor signed the nation's first law operating in the state,
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  Speaker 1: and in response, the Trump administration has sued this will
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  Speaker 1: now see up a massive legal battle over the crackdown
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  Speaker 1: on Kyleshe and polymarket. The new state law makes it
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  Speaker 1: a crime to host or advertise a prediction market, which
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  Speaker 1: defines as a system that lets consumers place a wager
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  Speaker 1: on future outcomes like sports, elections, live entertainment, someone's word choice,
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  Speaker 1: and world affairs. Why do we have markets on those anyways?
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  Speaker 1: The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets like VPNs
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  Speaker 1: that would allow consumers to disguise their location and get
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  Speaker 1: around the ban, and it would force a prediction market
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  Speaker 1: site like Calshi and polmarket to leave the state or
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  Speaker 1: face felony charges. The law takes effect in August. So
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  Speaker 1: here is what the person who introduced the measure said.
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  Speaker 1: We as a state should decide how best and what
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  Speaker 1: regulations we think should attach to gambling to protect public safety,
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  Speaker 1: to protect our kids. The law has a carve out
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  Speaker 1: for event contracts that serve as an insurance policy in
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  Speaker 1: the event of harm or laws sustained, and for the
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  Speaker 1: purchase of securities and other commodities. Now here's where the
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  Speaker 1: Trump administration comes in and this gets technical, so everybody
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  Speaker 1: stick with us D two. Let's put it up here
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  Speaker 1: on the screen. The Trump administration is now suing Minnesotada
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  Speaker 1: over the prediction market ban. They say, here's the DOJ.
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota's attempt to criminalize derivatives contracts is precisely what Congress
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  Speaker 1: sought to prevent. If Minnesota Monesota's law is permitted to
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  Speaker 1: go into effect, the exchanges that offer these long standing contracts,
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  Speaker 1: as well as those who partner with them, can be
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  Speaker 1: prosecuted as fellons. This is a flagrant and unprecedented incursion
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  Speaker 1: into the Commission's exclusive regulatory sphere must be preliminarily and
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  Speaker 1: permanently enjoined. That means the Trump administration is that prediction
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  Speaker 1: markets are only in the federal domain and must be
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  Speaker 1: only regulated by the CFTC. However, don't forget the CFTC
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  Speaker 1: is not just douing Minnesota. They are suing even red
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  Speaker 1: states Arizona, Connecticut, Illinois, New York, Wisconsin, many with Republican
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  Speaker 1: governors or state legislators and others which had advanced these measures,
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  Speaker 1: trying to ban these prediction markets because they allege that
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  Speaker 1: it is gambling, while the CFTC that says that it
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  Speaker 1: is a derivatives market which is long held. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: just want everybody to ask a very basic question. Have
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  Speaker 1: you been able to trade on what sixty minutes is
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  Speaker 1: going to say for a long standing time, yes or
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  Speaker 1: no question? Have you been able to trade on what
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  Speaker 1: color the dildo is that will be thrown on a
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  Speaker 1: w NBA the most lurid example, but there are many.
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  Speaker 1: Have you been able to trade on whether the ayatola
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  Speaker 1: is going to be removed or.
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  Speaker 3: Not, Whether Taylor Swift is going to get pregnant?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor Swift is going to get pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: Weather.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I could go on forever, the Bad Bunny
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  Speaker 1: halftime performances, the Maduro rate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when a particular special operations rate is going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: What was the one that we covered here? The guy
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  Speaker 1: with the weather hot air Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the Paris airport as Charldigall Airport where he
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  Speaker 2: was betting on the temperature there and then was using
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  Speaker 2: a hair dryer to heat up the sensor so that
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  Speaker 2: he could win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is what the CFTC wants us to believe.
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  Speaker 1: They want us to believe that long stance. These prediction
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  Speaker 1: markets are an extension of long standing derivatives and commodity trades.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I actually went and did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of research. CFTC. Why does it exist? What is the
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  Speaker 1: basis for it? The entire basis for the CFTC and
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  Speaker 1: for regulation period on financial derivatives is that we allow
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  Speaker 1: I always have derivatives markets on things that we believe
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  Speaker 1: are important to the public good. So the history of
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  Speaker 1: the CFTC. And if commodities are things like oil or
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  Speaker 1: things like corn, meat, futures contract, coffee, you know, any
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  Speaker 1: of these consumable goods. Now, why do we allow that?
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  Speaker 1: Because it leads to a lot of wild speculation. It
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  Speaker 1: allows market price and lock in contracts for producers to
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  Speaker 1: be able to produce their goods that they bring to market,
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  Speaker 1: which we all agree generally as a society we need
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  Speaker 1: a meat contract, we need oil contract, we need corn contracts.
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  Speaker 1: We have lived for centuries without prediction markets on what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say on this show, or who's going
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  Speaker 1: to beat the spread? Or eighteen leg part Yes, these
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  Speaker 1: are real things that are offered by Calshi. Eighteen leg
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  Speaker 1: parlays on how the knicks we're going to perform last night,
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  Speaker 1: and not just are they going to win or not?
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  Speaker 1: Are win by X amount of points? Are you going
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  Speaker 1: to shoot? You know, is this particular player right, how
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  Speaker 1: many free throws?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: What the halftime you know, whatever is going to look like?
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  Speaker 1: Who gets x amount of playing time? Massive insider trading risks,
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  Speaker 1: But more importantly for this whole discussion, it's gambling. And
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  Speaker 1: why have we always separated legally and even rhetorically gambling
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  Speaker 1: from commodities markets. Now often they resemble each other. But
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  Speaker 1: what is the difference. Gambling is not about social utility,
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  Speaker 1: which we allow. We allow this legalized form of commodities
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  Speaker 1: future trading because it's important to us as a society
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  Speaker 1: to be able to function. There is no what's societal
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  Speaker 1: good comes from trading on these damn markets. Nothing, literally nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Farmers came to them and said, hey, we like to
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  Speaker 2: bet on whether as a hedge against if there's issue
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  Speaker 2: right at the crops or whatever. Okay, Boba put a
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  Speaker 2: carbon in like, got it? Social utility to say it,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we'll do We'll do that, And that's the
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  Speaker 2: version that's passed. Of course, the Trump administration is still claiming, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is bad for farmers, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, just think about it.
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  Speaker 2: Logically, eighty plus percent of the bets that are made
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  Speaker 2: on polymarket and Calshi are sports bets.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's blatant gambling.
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  Speaker 2: And for you know, forever, states have had the right
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  Speaker 2: to decide when and how and whether they're going to
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  Speaker 2: permit that type of gambling in their state. And so
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  Speaker 2: what the Trump administration here is saying is you don't
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  Speaker 2: get to have that right anymore. You don't get to
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  Speaker 2: have that say at the state level. And this is
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  Speaker 2: the party that's supposed to be those you know, a
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  Speaker 2: small government, local control party, they're saying no, as a
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  Speaker 2: federal government, we have decided that we are going to
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  Speaker 2: open the floodgates to gambling on Taylor Swift's pregnancy date
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  Speaker 2: and dildo's at the WNBA game in every state. And
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  Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter what you or your citizens want,
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  Speaker 2: they're elected representatives think about any of it, because we
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  Speaker 2: are profiting from it, I mean. And that's the bottom
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  Speaker 2: line is you know, both with the and we can
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  Speaker 2: put this tear chuet from the New York Times up
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  Speaker 2: on the screen D three, which is a fantastic deep
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  Speaker 2: dive into the CFTC and the way they say how
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  Speaker 2: prediction markets and crypto firms steamrolled a watchdog agency and
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  Speaker 2: at every turn. The reason why the floodgates have been
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  Speaker 2: open for crypto, which is rife with all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: scams and schemes and drug polls, including rug poles pulled
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  Speaker 2: by the President in the first Lady of the United
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  Speaker 2: States and prediction markets. Is because there is a financial
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  Speaker 2: benefit for the Trump family directly, and there are financial
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  Speaker 2: benefits for Trump allies directly. Remember Trump was originally opposed
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  Speaker 2: to crypto. He thought it was bad for the US dollar.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, you know, no, it's a competitor the
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  Speaker 2: US dollar.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like it. And then what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Then he got a bunch of crypto money, and he
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  Speaker 2: got sold on, Hey, you can have your own crypto coin.
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  Speaker 2: And now the vast bulk of his wealth comes from
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  Speaker 2: crypto and so lo and behold, you know, not only
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  Speaker 2: do they really not regulate it whatsoever, but a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of people who had been previously indicted for various fraudulent
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  Speaker 2: activities regarding crypto had been let off the hook by Trump.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you look at the you know the
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  Speaker 2: ties here, they have a great charpie. We can put
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  Speaker 2: this in in post in this New York Times piece
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  Speaker 2: where you've got, okay, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, and
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  Speaker 2: then you've got some actions that they've taken. So they
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  Speaker 2: fast tracked the application of an offshoot of Gemini. This
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  Speaker 2: is the Winklevoss twins, who are Trump allies, who's founders
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  Speaker 2: backed American Bitcoin, which is tied to Eric Trump. They
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  Speaker 2: sidelined staff who questioned Crypto dot Com, a business partner
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  Speaker 2: of Trump Media and Technology, and of course those companies
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  Speaker 2: all connected to the Trump family. They approved a request
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  Speaker 2: by Polymarket after investment by seventeen eighty nine Capital, which
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  Speaker 2: is who Don Junior. Don Junior is involved with both
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  Speaker 2: Polymarket with Calci, So of course they're going to go
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  Speaker 2: to bout for them. Of course they're going to let
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  Speaker 2: them do whatever they want, wherever they want. And so
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  Speaker 2: while white collar fraud enforcement is at an all time
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  Speaker 2: low with this administration, where they will draw the line
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  Speaker 2: and where they will go in and fight and where
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  Speaker 2: they will try to push back. Is any state, any
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  Speaker 2: political entity that says, we actually want to draw some
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  Speaker 2: boundaries here, We actually don't want to submit to this
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  Speaker 2: anywhere anytime. Anything gambling on demand, which has proven to
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  Speaker 2: be extremely deleterious to the financial especially if young men
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  Speaker 2: are the group that has been preyed upon the most
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  Speaker 2: and the most susceptable.
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  Speaker 1: And look this belies even the basic statistics. If you
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  Speaker 1: are gambling on these platforms, which is what they are,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to lose. Like the vast majority of the winner,
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority of the profits go to an extremely
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  Speaker 1: select small group of traders. I was reading recently. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: one of my friends even told me, like Susquehanna, one
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  Speaker 1: of those like h you know, like very sophisticated trains desks.
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  Speaker 1: They have a sports desk now specifically as sharp betters,
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  Speaker 1: to go in and to find inefficiencies and various different lines,
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  Speaker 1: to hammer them and to basically take your money. Said, look,
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  Speaker 1: remember in Calshie, this is one of the most nefarious
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  Speaker 1: things about it. One of the things that they say
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  Speaker 1: is that the reason why they're better than DraftKings, and
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  Speaker 1: this is a fair argument, so let's interrogate it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, is that they don't set the line is
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  Speaker 1: that they're the market makers right on both sides of
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  Speaker 1: the trade. They take a small percentage of the fee.
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  Speaker 1: Now remember though, that because if you take a percentage
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  Speaker 1: of the trade, that means how do they make money?
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  Speaker 1: They want you to trade a lot. So that's number
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  Speaker 1: one that in fact they want you to get basically
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  Speaker 1: addicted to trading. Now. Second though, is that while a
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  Speaker 1: casino will set the line like plus or minus whatever
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  Speaker 1: on a game minus one ten or something like that
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  Speaker 1: for the spread and then move that to hedge their
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  Speaker 1: own risk, the cal sheet is sitting there and offering
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  Speaker 1: the ability for market to be able to take your
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  Speaker 1: line as well.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: What that means is that with these two people on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the trade is that there's a
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  Speaker 1: heavy amount of like influence and market making that happens
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  Speaker 1: for the people who are taking the action. And from again,
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  Speaker 1: I know this sounds complicated, and I'm still a relative
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  Speaker 1: layman on how this all works. It's very complicated, but
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  Speaker 1: what it means is, from what I understand, is it
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  Speaker 1: gives these sharps the ability to not only hedge a
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  Speaker 1: lot of their own betting risk from the traders, but
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  Speaker 1: also to offer different odds based upon the amount that
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  Speaker 1: you are betting in terms of a trade, which is
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily the same as a sports bet or a casino.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, what I have seen generally is that with
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  Speaker 1: all of this amount of influence, the vast majority of
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  Speaker 1: the retail normal trader is losing on these prediction markets,
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  Speaker 1: and while you know, their argument is, well, the vast
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  Speaker 1: majority of day traders lose money. Yeah, that's true. That's
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  Speaker 1: one reason I posed the Trump administration lowering the threshold
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  Speaker 1: of twenty five thousand dollars for day trading, because most
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  Speaker 1: people who are doing it are fucking idiots and are
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  Speaker 1: losing all their mind. But you know, there is no
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  Speaker 1: such thing as there is, let's say, with the S
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  Speaker 1: and P five hundred or Vanguard or any of that,
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  Speaker 1: like with prediction markets where if you are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just a passive investor in these index funds, you'll make
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  Speaker 1: money over the long run. There is no there is
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  Speaker 1: no like even artifice for the average person to invest
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  Speaker 1: or trade on a prediction market where they're going to
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  Speaker 1: make money in the long run. It literally doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: It exists purely to siphon off gains from desperate people
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  Speaker 1: basically who are on there. We're what was that article
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  Speaker 1: that we had where the guy took out a loan
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  Speaker 1: and then bet it all on Calshi. I mean, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, what an idiot? But second like, okay, we
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  Speaker 1: recognize we have a lot of idiots in our society,
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  Speaker 1: so we have to protect them at least I do.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's what I think. And so what do we do.
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  Speaker 1: We're like, hey, you can't have payday loans, because that
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  Speaker 1: was the argument for it. The argument for payday loans
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  Speaker 1: was well, if people are willing to take it, then
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  Speaker 1: why shouldn't they be able to offer that service? And
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  Speaker 1: we're all like, yeah, I don't know. If it's usury.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's a Lindy thing that even though it
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  Speaker 1: may exist and using you know, support it supposedly by
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  Speaker 1: the free market, we all think that's bad. And so
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  Speaker 1: we don't want people to be exploited that way because
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  Speaker 1: we recognize the power and balance. Well, why can't we
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  Speaker 1: recognize it here? And it's basically corruption. There's just no
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  Speaker 1: other there's no other story bouts.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is kind of Grimlo's put D six up
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  Speaker 2: on the screen. So Axios did this poll of like
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  Speaker 2: what companies people trust and oh yeah, this is great
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  Speaker 2: poly Market and FanDuel and Calshi and whatever like. They
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  Speaker 2: did decently well. So they found they had a higher
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  Speaker 2: reputation ranking at number forty five Polymarket specifically than companies
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  Speaker 2: like Rise and Ford, Target, Uber Disney, and Bank of America. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I might say none of the above in
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  Speaker 2: terms of trusting any of these companies, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how indicative this is, but they had
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  Speaker 2: this quote here. They said, sixty four percent of Gen
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  Speaker 2: millennials say the only realistic way to build significant wealth
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  Speaker 2: is quote alternative methods like crypto gambling or retail stocks.
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  Speaker 3: That's what their poll found.
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  Speaker 2: Two thirds of basically people under the age of forty
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  Speaker 2: four said the only chance I have is gambling.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: That is my shot. And that's what we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about they're praying on desperate people. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the whole generation is desperate. Where that's all we have
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  Speaker 2: is desperate people basically and their work and slave in
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  Speaker 2: a way. Things are getting more expensive. Housing prices are
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  Speaker 2: out of control, never going to be able to own anything,
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, what have I got to lose. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to take out that loan. I'm going to bet
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  Speaker 2: it on Calshi, on some sports team that I know
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  Speaker 2: something about, and I'm going to hope for the best
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  Speaker 2: because it's my only fricking shot. Like that's what we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about here. It is this dystopian as. That is
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  Speaker 2: the American dream today.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: There's no work, hard play, but by the rules go
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  Speaker 2: to call it. No, it's hope that you have some
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  Speaker 2: insider knowledge on some bet that you can leverage so
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  Speaker 2: that you don't have to suffer and struggle and never
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  Speaker 2: own anything in your entire life.
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  Speaker 3: That is the American dream today. That's the reality.
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  Speaker 1: This is where you know, people are like, oh, why
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  Speaker 1: do you do so many segments? Because I know I
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  Speaker 1: know the truth. I'm like, look, people, we talk about
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  Speaker 1: it all the time, desperation, etc. I understand that there's
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  Speaker 1: still some personal agent. We got to spread the word,
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  Speaker 1: all right, the gut. We're like, how can we live
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  Speaker 1: in a society where people are trust in polymarket Calshi
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  Speaker 1: and DraftKings as much as Verizon Target and like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I get it, all right. I've had bad experiences with
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  Speaker 1: all of these major companies. But you know in you know,
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  Speaker 1: Bank of America is a very highly regulated enterprise. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they will rip you off, et cetera. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of structural reasons, but they're not explicitly rooting for
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  Speaker 1: you to lose or creating the entire thing you can
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  Speaker 1: still get you know, decently wealthy by just using one
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  Speaker 1: of these random stock you know, exchanges and just putting
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  Speaker 1: your money passively into the s and P five hundred
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  Speaker 1: and yet oh Robinhood and day Trading and DraftKings, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's I understand it at a sociological level,
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  Speaker 1: but it is sick, Like, it's beyond sick that we
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  Speaker 1: even have this level of trust in these companies. And
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  Speaker 1: this is also where you know, predatory advertising comes into play.
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  Speaker 1: Calshi run in ads for teenagers or has in the past, allegedly,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you know from what I've seen, which I know that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: they've denied. Then they're saying that they're not running them anymore,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, it's an easy way for you to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: make money. DraftKings and FanDuel have the most expensive advertising
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: money can buy for every sports season about the various
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: pick'ms and how they'll go free one hundred dollars if
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: you bet five you win two hundred. You're like, really,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you're gonna give you two hundred dollars for free? You
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: think a multi billion dollar company just made all that
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: money by giving you two hundred dollars after you win five,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: or maybe they know what they're doing, but everybody falls
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: for it, and it's because, like you said, they're desperate.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: They're just beyond desperate. So I don't know. I just
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: know that I think in the long run, I hope
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: it gets banned, and I think eventually it will, maybe
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: ten years or so from now, But the gap of
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the damage that will be brought in the interim, it's immense.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I think it already is. If you look at the
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: amount of bankruptcies and other things that happen, the amount
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: of domestic violence that happens as a result of legalization
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: of gambling, it's statistically proven. Look it up if you
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: want to, you can look at you know, it's domestic violence,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: alcohol consumption, bankruptcies, the aggregate, I think borrowing rate, like debt,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: goes up in every state this legalized gambling. The vast again,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the vast, vast majority of people who bet on these platforms.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You will lose. If you've been betting for more than
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: six months and you're not limited, that means you're a loser. Congratulations,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: they're telling you you are a loser. Thank you for
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: continuing to bet with us. But that's how the rules
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: are written as of right now. Yeah, and I don't.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know the legal ins and outs, but it
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: would not surprise me if the Trump administration succeeds in
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the suit to block this.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So sorry, I should have clarified that as well. They're
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: going to win from what I understand, because of the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: way that they have defined the CFTC gets a broad
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: amount of deference whenever it comes to derivatives contracts regulation.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Especially with the current composition of the US Supreme You've got.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: A very libertarian Supreme Court on the side of money.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And then after that it's over. Gambling is now legal,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: like the idea of the states had any influence at all.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: After the Court rules, it will be legal in all
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: fifty states. So all these travel casina. Remember they beat
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the sportsbooks in California. Not enough people talk about that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: It went to the referendum and California has actually went
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: against sports gambling, which is crazy. Texas as well, so
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: two of the most populous states in the Union do
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: not have legal sports gambling. They're like the white whale
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of the gambling industry and of Calshi and Draftings actually
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: like it that way or sorry, Calshi and Polymarket like
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it that way. Because they want to be the only option.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Soon it will be legal nationwide after the Supreme Court rules,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and then we'll really see what gambling America looks like. Okay,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: let's talk about Hassan Parker.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Fox News Digitel has what they're claiming is a scoop
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: that hits a little bit close to home here for us,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: so we can put this up on the screen. They
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: are claiming that Hassan Piker, who they described as Marxist
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: political influencer and Code Pink co founder Susan Medea Benjamin,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: have been subpoenaed as part of a wider investigation into
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: whether US organizations and leaders violated US laws and sanctions
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in supporting Cuba's communist regime. Again, this is according to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Fox News Digital. They also published some like paparazzi style
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: photos of Hassan, like.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Walking his dog for some reason.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: In any case, what they point to here is allegations
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that they stayed at a band or sanctioned hotel that
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Americans are not allowed to stay at.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: But we happen to know.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Because our own Ryan Grimm was also on that trip,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that that is not remotely the case. So joining us
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: now to talk about all of This is, of course Ryan, grim.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: To see Ryan.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Good to see you. Ryan.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Hey, you guys doing good.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Have you been subpoened?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But Hassan and Dea Benjamin have actually also not been
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: subpoenaed here, So what are we thinking about this this news?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, I talked to both of them. Neither has
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: been subpoened, and so the Fox News report is just
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: actually incorrect, Like, if you're gonna sub poena somebody, you's peen.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Of them, right, So you have not been served by
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the federal government. They have not been served by the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: federal government. Hassan reacted to this Ryan saying it's bullshit,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and then actually they didn't say, you guys didn't stay
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in the wrong hotel. Let's take a listen, we'll get
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: your reaction.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie to you guys. It's it's not great.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: The news is not great. Okay, I mean it's bullshit.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: We didn't actually stay at the wrong hotel. That was
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: just something that people made up on Twitter.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: Except for an American citizen who recently did violate o
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: FAC and stayed at a hotel that America does not
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: allow American citizens to stay in.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: It wasn't me, though, it was Nick Shirley.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: Literally, the hotel that Nick Shirley was in was actually
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: on the state sponsor of terrorism list.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So Ryan, the basis as I understand, God,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I never thought I had no so much a Cuban hotels.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Is you guys stayed in the hotel, which is allowed, right, right,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Nick Shirley stayed in a luxury hotel quote unquote, which
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: is under o fact sanction o fact being.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: It's a famous I forget exactly what hotel he's stayed in,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: but it's famously sanctioned.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, famously.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: It's like a very well known Cuban government owned hotel
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: that has been around for many decades and is quite
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: explicitly listed as one you cannot stay in, cannot stay there.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: And so Shirley, from his room at this hotel, yes,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: put out the broadcast about how he was staying there. Right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: It's like, bro, like, I don't agree with these rules.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I think they're silly.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's called a hotel nasy analytics. Yes, it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like literally like the government gotel c.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Wait.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Hotel Nacional is seriously the name.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why it was so obvious to everybody like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: oh my god, dude, I don't even have to check
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: the list like this one's absolutely If.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: We were working with an ad i Q, we might
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: have we might have put two and two together.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: But I mean, there's no room to him. Yeah, he's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: not going to be subpoena. There's not gonna be any
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: problem for.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: A statute of limitations.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: A good point.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Good point if it's more than three.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Years President, I needed to look into this, okay, Ryan.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: So we stayed and I can't even tell you it's
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: called what hotel is a barrow starter marquees de la
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: tore So go ahead, out, go ahead, look look it up,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: look it up, all right, go ahead?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: And so where did this come from? Do you think
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: there was some.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Somebody who tweeted that we stayed at a different hotel
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: than we did stay at uh and that tweet went viral,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and we were not. We didn't have much internet connection,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: so there wasn't any We weren't. Nobody was responding to it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: So for two days or so, this tweet went viral
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: saying that Hassan and this this convoy stayed at this
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: illegal sanctioned hotel and so therefore they're breaking sanctions and
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: it's criminal. And then when we got I really actually no,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: because it became this big thing like you stayed at
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: a five star hotel. We're like, well, the reason we
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: stayed there is because there's a very small list of
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: legal hotels that you can stay at that can handle
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: several hundred people in a group, and this is one
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: of them. That's why we stayed there. So we talked
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: about that a lot.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I remember you I think went on with Piers Morgan
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: explained all of this, like, here's the reason we stayed
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in this hotel because you're only allowed which is not
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: a policy we agree with, but you're only allowed to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: stay in these certain hotels and we wanted to abide
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: by the policy.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: And that's what we did, right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I think this one is like managed by a Spanish
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: company or something, so that makes it legal because then
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: you're not giving much.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: The other accusation was that you were funded by the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Cubans to go there. Well that's okay, like completely preposterous
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: going to it becauesn't matter.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that that I don't that doesn't withstand
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: any scrutiny at all. They did not. The second charge
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: is that this American says, and now lives in China.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Roy Singham, who funds a bunch of like left wing causes,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: that he funded it. It is true that he funds
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Code Pink or he has funded Code Pink in the
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: pastybody who went on this trip though, had to pay
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: m like so I paid something paid like you pay
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: for the flight and the hotel and the food.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So so there's no violation here. So there's I can
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: go to Cuba, can I if you want to, you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: can go.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: You can go to anybody can go to and there
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: are now under Biden, under Obama, anybody could go. Biden
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: and Trump moved it back to You have to have
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: these various exceptions. One of them is journalism. And it's
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: so it's not even close whether or not I was
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: allowed to go on this. I would argue Hassan too Well.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Has some entire documentary about his.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did journalism and he's paid. And you can't
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: be a fake journalist. You have to have a demonstrated
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: career of doing freelance or regular journalism.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And Asana who decides that the government, the US government
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of the Cuban.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: It's just if you get challenged, you'd have to be
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: like here, I'm not a fake, but it is bullshit.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: But then the other one is a humanitarian aid for
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: the benefit of the Cuban people, like that is one
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: of the exceptions that allows travel. The plane that we
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: went on had tons of aid that was organized by
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: a group that this is what they do. They work
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: with OPHAC. They collect aid and they deliver it to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: an o fact is like the sanctions list, and they
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: deliver it two groups on the island that are cleared
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: by OPHAC to be able to receive the aid. So
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: people going on that mission are have gotten approval ahead
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: of time. Like it's it's not something that they're not
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: winging it like Nick Shirtley.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Right, So Medea Benjamin, which humanbly falls she.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Goes multiple times a year, probably the Cuba, like in
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: bringing aid there, Like it's what it's one of the things.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: It's like if you ever notice she's not in Congress
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: yelling at people, she's probably in Cuba like delivering aid. Yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: and she's been doing this for decades and so they
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: know what they know what the laws are, and so they.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Got So what do you make of this?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Is this like Okay, they're moving forward with NSPM seven.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They're trying to crack down on any left wing groups, journalists,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: anyone aligned with the left. Is this Fox New Digital
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: just being led down some rabbit hole and it's not serious? Like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: how seriously are you taking this? Since it says in
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the article, oh, they're looking at what some forty other
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: people who were on this trip for potential you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: criminal sanctions as well, So it definitely touches on you directly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And how seriously are you taking them?
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the most powerful government in the world probably,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: so you got to take their threats seriously. I think
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: it's an attempt to chill dissent against war with Cuba.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Like I think that is because I think Trump very
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: clearly and Rubio definitely, they want to go to war.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: They want to like or do some type of Venezuela
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: style military action. I think they're also being led down
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: a rabbit hole because the Fox News report said that
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: investigators had information that they stayed at an illegal hotel.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh my god, investigators, some random person
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, well.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: We run why don't you sue them for defamation? Well
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: they didn't mention me, Okay, Well, why is an assam
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Supers or anybody mentioned inside of it. It's blatantly false.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: He could, yeah, but instance Claire right. And also it's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a it actually would be malicious intent in my opinion.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Right because specific the way that malisk is a specific claim.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: They have been subpoena, right, so you can check that fact. Hey, Medea, Hey,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: it's not Have you been subpoenad? No? I have not.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Like it's a black and white question. I have not.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Should they be subpoenad? Should they not? Like that's a
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: separate judgment question. Have they been subpoenated?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: No, I'm a new digital reach out to them for comment.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're running with that question. That's important.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: They probably did, but the fact that it's incorrect, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I doubt they've updated it, so now they know that
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: it's not true, right, And if they haven't updated their story,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: they're continuing to publish something false that is obviously quite
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: damaging to you know, to Indiana Hassan. Yeah, which you
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: would qualify as that mation.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this right here. March twenty third, twenty
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: twenty six, so exactly two months ago New York Times,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: mister Piker and other activist state at the Abro Star
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Marques de Elettora in Havana. So this is established, so
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that record that could be Yeah, it is known fact. No,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't go too deep in the way, But I mean,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I do think this type of stuff matters. You can't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be rolling around saying that you violated US sanctions when
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you obviously didn't, at least from what we see right now,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: especially when you have an additional person who actually did
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: violate sanctions and nothing. I'm sorry, I can't get over
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a hotel nasty, a.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Hotel like not to make sure.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I would say there.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You know it sounds nice?
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I would you get from there? Huh?
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Would you broadcast from there?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Why could I could stay wherever I want to stay?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Why should Why should they tell me?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I probably agree with you.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's my money.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Why can't I stay where?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I wonder if you get a jury trial, because I
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: think a Jerry would be like, hotel looks cool? Why
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: can't you say?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: But it would be but it would be against the law.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: You'd have to challenge the constitutionality of the law.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Do you take it also though, as an indication that
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: this trip.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Like it it bothered me.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: They didn't like that there were Americans there who was
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: saying this is what's going on and drawing attention to it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: It's it wasn't lost on me that shortly after that trip,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Trump did allow this one Russian oil tanker to go
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: to the island, because I think there was a sense
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: of pressure that came from just being there to saying, look,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: this is what's happening in the hospitals, like when the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: lights go out, this is what they have to do
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: for these babies that are on ventilators or in incubators
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in order for them to survive. So I do think
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it is a sign that you know, this had had
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: some power, had some impact.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I think that's exactly right, because I think, in particular
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: on our Cuba policy, it cannot withstand five seconds of scrutiny,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: like it can only survive as a as a political
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: winner if the only people that care about it are
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: in South Florida, right, and nobody else is paying attention
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to it. Because once once you start paying attention, like okay,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: what is the argument here? They said there, Now they
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: have drones that are going to attack Key West it's like, okay,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: nobody believes that. Uh, you know, they have Russian and
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Chinese spy bases on there. It's like the Russians and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Chinese that they're all in our phones, like what.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Do you there are mar A Lago?
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: They need a base on Cuba. And then it's like
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: we're going to punish them by perpetuating blackout like blackouts
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: on the island, like what like none of none of it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Stands up and I don't I don't remember which politician
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: it was, but was basically pressed on the cruelty of this,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and she was effectively like, yeah, some people, some babies
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: may die, but it's worth it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think Marias Alzar was like, oh, of course
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: it was I it was my guest before you. Yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: she said, she said, it hurts all of us when
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: a mother has to watch her child starve, but we
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: have to understand that their freedom is more important than that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, so what does it say, though, Ryan
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: about the fact that she keeps getting elected? Man? And
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, a lot of the Cuban diaspa probably agree,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: not all of them, I would not speak for all
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of them, but they agree with that. I mean that's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the reality of this. I have never these these you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: these the Cubans and the Venezuelans who are down in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: South Florida. They're they're like the Iranian polity people. Their
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: capacity for wanting to save their people by forcing them
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to suffer and potentially be invaded is unbelievable. And they
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: have such a hold on our government, including the Secretary
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of State of the United States of America, who's apparently
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: what was his father's dying wish was to free Cuba.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I mean this, I'm not making this up. These are
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in books that they've written.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: And the South Floridas in particular are deeply funded by taxpayers. Yes,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: so it's it's one thing with APAC, which organizes kind
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of its own money, and then we send a lot
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  Speaker 4: of money to Israel, but we spend hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 4: of dollars that we send to South Florida propping up
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  Speaker 4: this Anticuban government movement that then lobbies gives that money
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  Speaker 4: back to politicians who then support the thing, who then
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  Speaker 4: passed more laws that send more money to South Florida
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  Speaker 4: so that they can continue to do this. They fund
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  Speaker 4: they do actual like paramilitary terrorist operations and have since
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  Speaker 4: the nineteen fifty They took down, they took down, and
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  Speaker 4: they took in a Cuban airplane. It has a civilian
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  Speaker 4: passenger airplane. They bombed actually I think it was Hotel
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  Speaker 4: now cl in the nineteen nineties. Like you can check
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  Speaker 4: check that one out.
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  Speaker 1: That was my very part when Ryan and I were
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: doing the segment with Wan and we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: this humanitarian group where that he goes, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're also like a paramilitary terrorist organization. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what was that? What was that part about the bombing?
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  Speaker 4: And that whole network is funded by American tax dollars.
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  Speaker 4: It'd be like, imagine if the Somalians in Minneapolis developed
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  Speaker 4: a lot of political power and started lobbying Washington. No
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  Speaker 4: I know, I get a bunch of tax payer dollars
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  Speaker 4: sent to Minneapolis so that they could then work out
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  Speaker 4: out whatever grudges they have back in Somalia, right.
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  Speaker 1: Like al Shabab or something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there, and then we used to have to
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  Speaker 4: start bombing like only parts of Somalia because we're trying
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  Speaker 4: to help one faction over another. American people are like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so, how about we worry about Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: Would they be because they don't seem to be.
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  Speaker 4: I think with Somalia, we would like the public would
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: be like, no, we're not doing that for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean it really somehow it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: It really does come back to the money, because if
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  Speaker 2: you have Cuba, you do have all these different diaspora
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  Speaker 2: groups that do have these various, you know, ideological views
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  Speaker 2: about whatever is going back in their you know, country
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  Speaker 2: of origination. But the reason it becomes a problem is
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: when they are organized and have lots of money behind them.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a problem with Israel, problem with the run, problem
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  Speaker 2: with Cuba. That's and then you also have these like
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: ideological factions, Rubio being a primary example of it, that
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: tie in with that in the whole Neokon worldview where
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: they'll never stop fighting the Cold War. That leads it
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  Speaker 2: to being such a potent combination.
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  Speaker 4: And the funny thing is both Rubio and Cruise their
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: parents left under this gangs. Dude, I know, their government,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: but that yeah, Castro overthrew right.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't really lie about that too.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: He fudges it very deeply, and he says he fled Cuba. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Cruz had this incredible moment. I think it was on
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Tucker where he was like, uh, and my father was
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: tortured by the Cubans and he's like it was by
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Batistas actually, but still.
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  Speaker 3: Because he knew Tucker would call it right, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Incredible, Okay, younowledge it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's funny, especially in the Nick Shirley part
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  Speaker 2: is funny, but it's also not because, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: this is one of the most powerful guys. I don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: think it is the most powerful government on the planet,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: but he still imagine themselves to be that, and they
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: have a lot of power and can throw their weight
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: around and have you know, the courts in their pockets
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: So it has to be taken seriously.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: And the through line is incredible. It's New York gangsters
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  Speaker 4: who ran Cuba kind of basically on behalf of American
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: intelligence operations setting up drug trafficking operations. Uh, where all
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: the heroin was flowing through Castro overthrows that those same
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: mafia gangsters and you know, ailied with the South Florida
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  Speaker 4: terrorists are now just trying to take back over. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's incredible, all right, Well, but here we are on pikers.
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  Speaker 4: The one they're gonna investigation.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: That's the he's the real problem. Yeah, that's the issue
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: and all.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: We should investigate these Cubans who were They just need
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit that they just tried to raid it
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  Speaker 1: with a boat I ft stacked with weapons. Yeah right,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I forgot about. They've fired a bunch of weapons exactly,
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  Speaker 1: totally covered up. Man. All right, I'm about to get hot.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: All right, Thank you everybody who's been watching. We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have a great show with Ryan and Emily for
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  Speaker 1: everybody tomorrow. See you then,