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MINI SCROLL: Taylor Frankie Paul Bachelorette cancellation, Jorginho vs. Chappell Roan + Jools Lebron viral turmoil · Mini Scroll

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  The first story that I have for you guys today, Trigger warning,
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  this story will cover domestic violence, emotional and mental
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  abuse and child abuse. So I am going to be covering
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  Taylor, Frankie, Paul, The Bachelorette being canceled and
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  everything that's been going on with that over the past week
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  ish. I would say now before I get
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  into the story, I did want to be open about a couple things.
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  The first being that I'm not sure to be honest, if this is
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  the right decision for me to cover this story.
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  I know we do cover more serious topics here and there, like much
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  more serious topics than just like, quote, UN quote, Internet
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  drama or tea. But we also do have ethical
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  boundaries around our editorial strategy and we're always
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  figuring those out as we go. So the reason why I'm not sure
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  if this is the right decision to cover this is because I am
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  worried that covering this will contribute to the turmoil that
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  her children are already going through, especially her daughter
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  who was present for the 2023 incident.
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  I'm also concerned that reporting on this may minimize
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  the experience of men who are victims of partner domestic
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  violence. And in a similar vein, I'm also
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  worried that this may minimize the very serious reality of
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  reactive abuse and DARVO. So obviously, I have ultimately
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  decided to cover the story, but I wanted to be very upfront
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  about my reservations and that I'm aware of my limitations
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  here. And I'm also aware that we may
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  never know the full story. So kind of all we can go off of
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  is what we know about these people from the show, social
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  media, the police report, and now this footage.
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  I don't know if that's overkill for me to like explain all of
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  that to you guys, but I felt like it's necessary to make all
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  of that really clear. Like these are things that we
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  consider before covering stories that are really sensitive.
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  And we definitely don't always get it right.
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  But I want you guys to know that we do think about all of these
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  angles and try and make the most ethical decision when covering
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  topics and stories that are this sensitive.
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  OK so Taylor Frankie Paul she was set to * are in season 22 of
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  The Bachelorette and the entire season has now been cancelled
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  after footage was released a few days ago of Taylor abusing her
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  ex-boyfriend. Dakota Taylor is a tick tocker
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  and the star of the very popular show The Secret Lives of Mormon
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  Wives. Taylor is generally
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  controversial. The whole show started because
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  Taylor went on TikTok Live in 2022 and revealed that her group
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  of Mormon mom Tik Tokers were quote UN quote soft swinging
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  with each other. And the group essentially
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  imploded because some people caught feelings for each other.
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  So there were three couples that were like central to the
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  swinging scandal and Taylor and her husband were one of them.
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  Miranda and Chase were another. They're on the show as well.
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  And then there was another couple as well that's not on the
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  show. So that whole situation went
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  really viral when she posted about it on TikTok Live.
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  And then Hulu picked them up for a show in the first episode of
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  the entire series in 2023, filming goes down for several
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  months after Taylor pled guilty to aggravated assault against
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  Dakota. Dakota is not her husband or was
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  not her husband. So Taylor was married to someone
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  else. They got a divorce after the
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  soft swinging scandal, and then she started dating Dakota.
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  We see in that first episode body Cam footage from the police
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  officer who arrived at the house.
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  And when filming resumes in episode 2, Taylor's on probation
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  and she is also pregnant with Takota's baby.
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  So over the next few seasons, it becomes obvious how toxic their
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  relationship is. They're on and off the whole
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  time, but it's incredibly toxic. And there are periods of time
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  when it seems like Taylor is trying to get her life back on
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  track, trying to get her mental health back on track, and trying
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  to essentially stay away from Dakota.
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  This is going to be a sweeping statement, but I would argue in
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  general, viewers of the show started rooting for Taylor last
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  year. Taylor was announced as the next
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  Bachelorette and then season 4 of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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  dropped a couple of weeks ago and throughout that season,
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  sentiment toward Taylor has started to shift.
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  Season 4 was the lead up to The Bachelorette and it showed, I
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  would argue like a really dysfunctional side to Taylor
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  again. And now I do want to note there
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  are so many complexities here. Like we are seeing a glimpse
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  into a number of things in Taylor's life that have
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  contributed to why she is the way she is.
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  Like her relationship with her mother, her Mormon upbringing,
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  all these different things. And the audience has also
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  largely agreed that Dakota is basically the worst.
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  OK, he appears to be manipulative, emotionally and
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  verbally abusive to Taylor. Like, he seems to be an
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  absolutely horrible partner to her.
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  But I would say Season 4, not that I think that Taylor looked
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  amazing in previous seasons, but I think season 4 opened viewers
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  eyes a little bit more to the dysfunction that goes on inside
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  of her as well and how that plays out in her relationship
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  dynamics. OK, so like I said, audiences
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  were kind of disappointed in Taylor's behavior and watching
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  season 4. And then it was revealed that
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  she was arrested again a few weeks ago and that Season 5
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  filming that was currently filming had been halted because
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  of another domestic violence investigation into Taylor and
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  Dakota. So this is from e-news quote.
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  A spokesperson for the Draper City Police Department confirmed
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  to PEOPLE on March 16 that there was an open domestic assault
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  investigation regarding Taylor and Dakota, telling the outlet
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  that allegations have been made in both directions.
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  The spokesperson explained contact was made with parties
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  involved on February 24th and 25th, but declined to share more
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  information due to the ongoing investigation.
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  So this was announced, filming went down, and people kind of
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  thought, I wonder what The Bachelorette is going to do
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  about this now? Like, what does this mean?
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  And then a few days after this news broke, right before The
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  Bachelorette was meant to air, footage emerged online appearing
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  to show Taylor attacking Dakota with her young daughter present
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  on the night of the 2023 arrest. I won't play the footage.
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  It's horrifying. I'm sure a lot of you guys have
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  seen it. But in it, Taylor's daughter is
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  screaming and crying. As Taylor attacks Dakota, She
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  throws metal stools at him. We knew initially, like from the
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  initial episode one, that one of the stools allegedly hit her
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  daughter as well. So we already knew that.
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  But, you know, you can really see how that happened in the
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  footage. It's horrible.
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  And Dakota is recording this himself on his phone.
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  He says things like, your daughter is here.
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  Like, look at this. This is physical abuse, and he's
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  basically like, running away from her and filming this.
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  After this was released, Taylor did an appearance on Good
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  Morning America, presumably to save face.
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  I mean, it was to promote The Bachelorette, obviously, but
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  they let her, you know, sit up there and speak about it.
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  However, sponsors for The Bachelorette, as well as
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  Taylor's own brand deals, have started to pull out.
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  And then three days before it was meant to premiere, ABC
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  announced that it was canceling her season of The Bachelorette.
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  Now, there's a lot of conflicting information on why
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  the video was released now and how it was released.
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  First there was a rumor that TMZ obtained the footage from the
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  court and I guess the theory here was that like after Taylor
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  and Dakotas recent February 2026 altercation was revealed, TMZ
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  started looking into this obviously in the lead up to The
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  Bachelorette and then they obtained this through the
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  courts. The other main theory is that
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  Dakota himself released it and perhaps sold it to TMZ but TMZ
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  has confirmed to a TikTok reporter, I believe this
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  screenshot is true but I'm going to say allegedly has confirmed I
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  suppose to a TikTok reporter in the DMS that they were sent this
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  video by an individual and they did not seek it out via the
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  court. So in light of this footage
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  coming out, Taylor has temporarily lost custody of her
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  children. However, she is still active on
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  social media, so she's commenting on Tik Toks that
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  support her. And she's also commenting on
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  some that are not so supportive. So people are like, girl, what
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  are you doing? Like get offline?
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  And then she's commenting things like, want me to stare at the
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  wall instead. And then in response to a pop
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  culture creator, Jordy, who wrote, I'm kind of surprised she
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  is on her phone right now, Taylor wrote always on.
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  It's my job. And yes, I still have work.
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  Now, there's lots of conflicting feelings about what's going on
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  here. Many people believe that Dakota
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  released this video on purpose at this time to ruin her
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  Bachelorette experience and that this is a clear indication or
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  instance of reactive abuse and DARVO.
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  Others feel like Taylor gets a pass for a lot of things that
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  she does from fans, like her bad decisions and her behavior.
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  And a lot of that has been rewarded, I suppose, by the
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  algorithm, by TikTok, by Hulu, by ABC.
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  Like, she's faced very few consequences up until now.
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  And people kind of feel like, why does she always get to skirt
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  accountability? There's a lot of people calling
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  on the network to be held more accountable.
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  Also for us to be held accountable, OK.
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  Like, yes, the network absolutely knew about this.
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  Seeing the footage, It is exactly what we knew happened,
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  right? Like, seeing it is so much more
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  horrifying. It amplifies it times 1000.
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  But we knew those details. Those details were public to us.
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  We knew that the network still chose to continue to platform
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  her. She's on multiple seasons of
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  this show. She's like the leader of mom
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  talk. And then of course, she gets
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  cast as The Bachelorette. And the viewers, myself
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  included, continued to support the show as well.
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  Like we continue to watch it. I spoke about it on the podcast
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  multiple times. Like people love to this show.
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  This is a really, really popular show.
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  And I agree with everyone who says that it shouldn't have
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  taken this footage for us to like see this footage for us to
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  start like taking this seriously and question why that was the
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  case. Like why the network has a pass
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  for this, why Taylor gets a pass for this, why Dakota gets a pass
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  for this, like why we keep supporting this.
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  I agree with that. My personal opinion, and this is
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  an uneducated opinion. This is only informed by me
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  watching the show, by me following this on social media,
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  seeing, you know, whatever information is out there.
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  Obviously, I am not like a psychologist.
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  I'm not an expert in any of these types of relationship
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  dynamics, but my opinion on this is I believe this is a Darva
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  situation. But regardless, Taylor still had
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  an obligation to protect her children and in this situation,
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  she didn't. OK, the next story that I have
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  for you guys today is I'm going to be covering the situation
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  between a footballer, Georginio Chapel Rone, and the mayor of
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  Rio. OK, so we have covered Chapel's
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  approach to paparazzi and fans on and off on the podcast, but
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  there's been another incident that is making waves online over
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  the weekend. Chapel has found herself at odds
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  with Brazilian soccer player Georginio Frello.
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  And also basically like all of Brazil.
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  So this started when Georginio took to Instagram Stories to
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  share that his family, quote, went through a very upsetting
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  situation that involved Chapel Rhone.
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  He explained that his wife, Catherine Harding and his 11
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  year old daughter are in Sao Paulo to attend Lollapalooza and
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  they happen to be staying at the same hotel as the singer.
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  Georginio said that his daughter recognized Chapel at breakfast
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  but did not approach her for a picture or anything.
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  Instead she allegedly just smiled at Chapel.
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  She like thought it was Chapel, walked over, wanted to check,
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  basically walked past her table to check, smiled at her.
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  And then after this, apparently a security guard approached his
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  wife and daughter and as he wrote quote, what happened next
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  was completely disproportionate. A large security guard came over
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  to their table while they were still having breakfast and began
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  speaking in an extremely aggressive manner to both my
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  wife and my daughter, saying she shouldn't allow my daughter to
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  quote, disrespect or harass other people.
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  Honestly, I don't know at what point simply walking past the
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  table and looking to see if someone is there can be
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  considered harassment. He even said he would file a
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  complaint against them with the hotel while my 11 year old
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  daughter was sitting there in tears.
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  My daughter was extremely shaken and cried a lot.
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  He finished by saying Chapel needs to appreciate her fans.
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  OK, so his story prompted a significant response, including
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  from the mayor of Rio. He took to X to share his
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  thoughts on the interaction, saying that he was effectively
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  banning Chapel Rona from performing at a series of free
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  international music events this year.
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  Shakira is headlining, which may sound random, but the mayor did
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  bring her up in this tweet. He said Shakira would never do
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  this before. I keep going, I know there are
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  so many conflicting opinions about how Chapel handles her fan
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  interactions and handles the paparazzi and just like in
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  general handles her fame, OK. And I I listen to all of them
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  and I understand elements of all the arguments.
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  Absolutely. I think this guy, Georginio, I
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  think him posting this was disproportionate.
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  I think this was inappropriate in my opinion.
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  I believe that this was inappropriate.
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  Chapel didn't tell his daughter to like, fuck off.
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  She didn't say anything to the daughter, even by his own
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  account, right? I understand the argument or I
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  guess the conversation that he's trying to have around like the
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  security guard. And if that warrants a
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  discussion, sure. But I think because of Chapels
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  history of calling out fan interactions, calling out
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  paparazzi, you know, on one hand, and it does possibly make
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  this more believable, but on the other hand, it also feels like
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  it's just adding to that pylon because there is more complexity
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  to this than just Chapel. Like, doesn't want to see her
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  fans. OK.
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  So she has since addressed the situation in a series of
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  Instagram stories. In the videos, she's like lying
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  in bed talking to camera. And I do want to know before I
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  share them. They are edited, which people
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  don't like and I kind of understand.
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  I understand that they probably go through APR team which is why
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  they're edited but I think like just re record the video then
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  the editing makes it a little bit SUS.
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  I'm just going to tell my half of the story.
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  Of what? Happened today with a mother and
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  child who were involved with a security guard who is not my
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  personal security. I didn't even see.
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  I didn't even see a woman and a child like I did not.
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  No one came up to me. No one bothered me.
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  Like I was just sitting at breakfast in my hotel.
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  I. Think.
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  These people were staying at the hotel.
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  As well. The fact that like a security
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  guard who was. I did not ask.
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  The security guard to go up and talk to this mother and child, I
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  did not. They did not come up to me, they
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  weren't doing anything. It's unfair for security to just
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  assume someone doesn't have good intentions when they have no
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  reason to believe because there's no action even taken.
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  Like I do not hate people who are fans playing music.
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  I do not. Hate tiltramp like.
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  That is crazy. I'm sorry to the mother and
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  child that that someone was assuming something, that you
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  would do something and that if he felt uncomfortable.
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  It makes me really sad you did not.
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  Deserve that. Now the response to this has
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  been split. Some users were happy to hear
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  that it wasn't her personal security guard.
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  I believe that I believe what she said in the video, that it's
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  not her personal security guard. Others are doubtful that this
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  was the case, saying that she would have had some knowledge or
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  like given her consent to approach Catherine and her
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  daughter, which I also don't know if I totally agree with.
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  I think they're staying at presumably a luxury hotel.
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  Like there's multiple celebrities staying there.
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  So I assume it's a luxury hotel. The hotel would have their own
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  security. Now, that was my initial
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  thought. Like, of course the hotel has
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  their own security, and this luxury hotel is probably
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  briefing their security on how to protect the privacy of their
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  famous guests. Now, I wanted to play a clip
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  from a creator named Kitty Macbiddle because she noted how
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  not all celebrities would be able to get away with Chapel's
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  approach to this situation. Watching the discourse around
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  Chapel Road right now. Not even about her.
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  It's like watching a live demo of how conflict gets performed
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  under because here's here's what's standing out to me.
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  There are entire groups of people who do not get to handle
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  conflict like this. They don't get to be vague.
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  They don't get to circle back later, and they definitely don't
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  get to prioritize being understood over being
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  accountable because if they cause harm, If this was a black
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  woman, it would have to be clear, direct and immediate
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  because the consequences are very real.
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  But what we're seeing here is this really weird oscillation.
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  On one hand, we have a public celebrity figure being very
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  loud, very public, very assertive about boundaries.
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  But when there is an actual conflict, when there's harm to
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  respond to, suddenly we see a soft voice, careful wording, no
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  direct acknowledgement, just I need you to understand where I'm
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  coming from. Are we actually resolving
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  something or are we managing reception?
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  Now Catherine has responded herself, and she says that it
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  actually wasn't the hotel security.
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  A lot of you asked me like what actually happened and everything
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  else. And I know that Chappelle was
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  has responded saying that it wasn't that she didn't, it
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  wasn't her security and that she didn't do it.
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  So 100% this security guard was not the security guard of the
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  hotel. That's what I can say.
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  He looks after artist so I don't know that was her personal
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  security guard, but he was with her.
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  So that's that is all I know do did she send him to do it again?
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  I don't know. Look, I would like to hope not,
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  but at the same time I think that you have a responsibility
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  when you are a celebrity to, we can make sure, I guess, that the
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  people that work for you in the act on your behalf are acting on
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  your behalf. So would he do that she if he
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  didn't have her authority to do so?
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  I don't know if if he does, then obviously that's a, that's a big
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  problem because then he's representing her in a way that
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  she doesn't want to be represented.
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  So I think that's really, I think important for her to, to
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  notice and, and, and realize that's not correct.
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  OK and before this video Catherine post a photo of her
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  and her daughter with Louis Capaldi and she wrote on the
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  story. Thanks for your kindness.
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  Which people are like that is so shady.
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  ANYWAYS, the Internet is very split on this, as they are with
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  many things to do with Chapel. I don't really know how I feel
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  about this aside from the fact that I think that the football
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  player who called this out, I think he was not in the right to
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  call it out like this publicly like this and to be like
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  slamming Chapel in that. I don't know.
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  That's my opinion. I think it was not necessary.
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  It was a disproportionate reaction in my opinion.
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  But I understand his, like, fatherly instincts probably came
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  out. But the common sentiment in
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  general now is like, this has gone on for too long, like we
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  need to move on. This is really not that serious.
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  All right. And the last story that I have
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  for you guys today is Jules LeBron has opened up about her
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  Jemur virality and how it sent her into a substance abuse
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  spiral. So Jules LeBron went viral for a
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  very Jemur very mindful on TikTok around 2024.
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  And she's now opening up in a series of videos about how
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  overnight viral fame actually coincided with one of the worst
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  periods of her life and how this combination of things led to
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  substance abuse that she is now trying to overcome and, like,
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  get her life back together. And in these videos, Jewel says
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  that right after she started blowing up over demure, she was
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  assaulted by a man in her own home.
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  This incident combined with her new found fame and access to
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  money and like the Hollywood lifestyle and all of this LED
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  her to fall into substance abuse.
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  Hi, I'm Jules Lebrun. I went viral.
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  I'm for very, very mindful and it was the highlight of my life
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  and everyone loved it. It also was the worst time of my
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  life ever. It was the worst time of which
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  unfortunately, mega virality and a Charlie XCX sponsorship did
• 21:33
  lead to substance abuse, believe it or not.
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  So this room is my streaming studio and I'm trying to get
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  back in streaming and that's why we're focusing on getting sober
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  because I need to turn my career around.
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  I need to get back to everything.
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  I think a lot of people are like, oh, she fell off bitch, I
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  was alone. No, my house fell into despair
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  during this time. No shit.
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  So we're going to create up the studios so that we can get back
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  to streaming so that we can maintain our career.
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  I think this is such an interesting and raw look into
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  what it is like to go so viral and for your life to genuinely
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  change overnight. And I mean, we've seen some
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  glimpses of it, right? Like when we watch the Demilio
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  show, like their reality show, like, obviously that was not
• 22:13
  filmed in the middle of them becoming famous, but they became
• 22:16
  famous overnight. And then a couple years later,
• 22:18
  they have this show. And those girls were not OK.
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  Like they were not well, and it was because of how famous and
• 22:25
  successful they became so quickly.
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  And with Jules, I feel like being open about that experience
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  and how it was so challenging and it's really challenging to
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  navigate all of the access that you suddenly have to all of the
• 22:36
  things that you could ever want in the world.
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  That is incredibly overwhelming. And if you are not like on solid
• 22:42
  ground, when that happens, you can so easily fall into this
• 22:46
  kind of spiral. Something Jewel said in a recent
• 22:48
  video that I thought was really vulnerable.
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  She said that after she was assaulted, she thought to
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  herself, if everything is supposed to be changing, why did
• 22:56
  this just happen to me? And when she said if everything
• 22:59
  is supposed to be changing, she means like if my career is
• 23:01
  finally taking off, like if all of a sudden I have the money to
• 23:04
  transition and to move apartments and, you know,
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  everybody knows me worldwide and finally the thing that I have
• 23:10
  been working towards is happening, happens.
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  If everything is supposed to be changing for the better, why did
• 23:15
  this happen to me? And I think that's probably a
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  sentiment that we can all relate to, the fact that progress and
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  healing and just like life in general is not linear.
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  We don't just get quote UN quote through the bad parts to reach
• 23:27
  the good ones. Every experience is filled with
• 23:30
  these dualities. And I think it's really brave
• 23:32
  that she's opening up about how the best moment of her life also
• 23:37
  happened to be the worst. And I think Jules, the series is
• 23:40
  so amazing because it really reminds us that at the end of
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  the day, like we're all just human.
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  You never know what's going on behind the scenes.
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  You never know what someone is going through.
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  So be kind. I feel like that's what this is
• 23:51
  teaching us. All right, guys.
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  Well, that's it for Mini scroll today.
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