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The Kenny Report | 12 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The fallout from the Albanesi government's reckless decision to recognize
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  Speaker 2: a non existent Palestinian state. Could this be the moment
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  Speaker 2: the voters finally see what a risky and shallow prime
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  Speaker 2: minister they've elected. I'll talk to the coalitions James Patterson
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  Speaker 2: and US analyst Kristen Tate will tell us how this
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  Speaker 2: impacts on the US Alliance. Also tonight, another cut in
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  Speaker 2: interest rates? Is the cost of living getting any better yet?
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  Speaker 2: All that and plenty more with Suzi O'Brien and Stephen
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  Speaker 2: Senner Tiempo on the big issues, as well as Snoop
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  Speaker 2: Dog heading to the MCG on the last Saturday in September.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking one day on.
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  Speaker 2: There is plenty of fallout and plenty more to say
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  Speaker 2: about the Albanese labor governments morally repugnant and diplomatically reckless
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  Speaker 2: decision to recognize the non existent state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: This is a monumental shift for the nation.
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  Speaker 2: It is actually much broader than just the Middle East issue,
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  Speaker 2: as important as that is, but this decision goes to
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  Speaker 2: the shape of our crucial alliance with the US and
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  Speaker 2: where Australia stands on the global stage.
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  Speaker 1: To this point, Australia has been a.
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  Speaker 2: Significant player in global affairs, known for our backbone, our values,
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  Speaker 2: and our steadfast adherence to logic and consistency rather than
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  Speaker 2: political fashion and opportunism.
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  Speaker 1: No longer.
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  Speaker 2: By abandoning Israel and the US on the issue of
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood, Australia is turning its back on two liberal
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  Speaker 2: democracies with the most at stake and with the most
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  Speaker 2: knowledge of the complexities of this issue.
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  Speaker 1: The ones with skin in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, we're throwing our lot in with the weak virtue
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  Speaker 2: signaling leaders of serious goes countries like the UK, France
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  Speaker 2: and Canada, but also with a bunch of tinpot nations, dictatorships,
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  Speaker 2: Islamist regimes and communist countries. When the UN vote is
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  Speaker 2: held next month, Australia will break ranks with Israel and
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  Speaker 2: our great ally the US and vote instead with countries
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  Speaker 2: like Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Zimbabwe, Burkina, Faso, Eritrea, Pakistan, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Lebanon, Lesotho,
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  Speaker 2: me and mah Mongolia, Russia, Cuba, North Korea.
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  Speaker 1: And China, good one, Albo.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what this theater of moral cowardice will
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  Speaker 2: achieve at the United Nations, don't you? Yeah, absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Without Security Council approval, the vote will be meaningless and
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  Speaker 2: the US will in the Security Council.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, only one of the five permanent members
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  Speaker 2: of the Security Council will stand by Israel. And you
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  Speaker 2: wonder why Israel has to defend itself so strongly.
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  Speaker 1: Let me walk you through.
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  Speaker 2: The idiocies and inconsistencies of what's being said, because, believe me,
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  Speaker 2: you won't get much of it in the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the media.
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  Speaker 1: What the ABC and the rest of the green left
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  Speaker 1: media give you.
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  Speaker 2: And most of what comes out of the Canberra Press
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  Speaker 2: Gallery is not only pro labor, pro un and pro Palestine,
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  Speaker 2: it's also hopelessly ill informed and naive. Our Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: simply has no idea. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: But what people in Gaza want clearly is for a
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  Speaker 3: peace to come out.
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  Speaker 1: And when people have.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly uprism against Hamas, Hamas needs to be isolated. Hamas
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  Speaker 3: needs to be disarmed.
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  Speaker 1: Hamas needs to be disarmed. Yeah, but who's doing that now?
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  Speaker 2: Israel Israel is the only country disarming Hamas now with
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  Speaker 2: US support. It's sacrificing soldiers by tackling its enemies while
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  Speaker 2: trying to avoid civilians. But Albanezi wants Israel to stop,
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  Speaker 2: which would leave Hamas in charge and then magically, apparently
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  Speaker 2: Hamas would be disarmed.
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  Speaker 1: He's clueless.
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  Speaker 3: Hamas wants to destroy Israel, which is why Hamas can
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  Speaker 3: have no role whatsoever in a future Palestinian state. This
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  Speaker 3: is about isolating Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's about appeasing Hamas and isolating Israel. The only
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  Speaker 2: entity being isolated by this move is the liberal democrat
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  Speaker 2: nation of Israel. This isn't a plan, it's a gesture,
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  Speaker 2: a stunt, and.
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  Speaker 1: It simply doesn't stack up.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this response about how to disarm hum Us.
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  Speaker 4: We have to work to take power from Hamas, take
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  Speaker 4: decisions out of Hamas's hands. How do we best do that, Well,
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  Speaker 4: we best do that by working with others, such as
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  Speaker 4: the Arab League the Palestinian Authority, who have made clear
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  Speaker 4: that they want Hamas to relinquish control.
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  Speaker 2: Well, really, the Arab League and the Palestinian Authority the
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  Speaker 2: remnants of the Palestinian Liberal liberation organization. They'll ask Kamas
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  Speaker 2: to disarm and it will just happen. What about Iran?
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  Speaker 2: Iran has funded, armed, and effectively directed Humas, but neither
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  Speaker 2: Wong nor Albanesi even mentions them. They're not part of
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  Speaker 2: the Arab League, their mortal enemies to most of those nations.
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  Speaker 2: Without cutting off Iranian money and supplies, Hummas can't be
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  Speaker 2: disarmed because, as Albernizi and Wong both recognize now, Hummas
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want a two state solution.
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  Speaker 3: Hammas don't support two states. They support one state. In
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  Speaker 3: their own words, from the rivet to the Sea.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, he admits that that horrible slogan so often seen
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  Speaker 2: and heard on our streets is not a peaceful protest,
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  Speaker 2: but a call for the obliteration of Israel. I could
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  Speaker 2: have sworn they've been pretending otherwise for almost two years.
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  Speaker 2: But just to demonstrate how out of his death that
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  Speaker 2: Albanizi is, let me show you his uncertainty. Remember how
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  Speaker 2: protesters have been exposed many times for not knowing what
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  Speaker 2: river or which sea they're chanting about.
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  Speaker 6: Can you tell me which river and which sea we're
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  Speaker 6: talking about here? This is a you've cut me on
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  Speaker 6: the spot.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know geography, man, Well watch Albernizi as he
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  Speaker 2: catches himself and struggles with the geography.
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  Speaker 3: Hamas don't support two states, they support one state. In
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  Speaker 3: their own words, from the river to the sea, from
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  Speaker 3: the Jordan river to the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: No, mate, not the ocean. Remember it's river to the sea.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the Mediterranean, that's our PM all gesture, no
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  Speaker 2: practical knowledge. Yet albo reckons he knows more about this
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  Speaker 2: war and how to deliver aid while minimizing civilian deaths
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  Speaker 2: than the Israeli Prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: I spoke with Prime Minister in et Yahoo. He again
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  Speaker 3: reiterated to me what he has said publicly as well,
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  Speaker 3: which is to be in denial about the consequences that
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  Speaker 3: are occurring for innocent people.
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  Speaker 1: In denial.
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  Speaker 2: This from a Prime Minister who hasn't even watched the
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  Speaker 2: footage of what happened on October the seventh, so he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even understand Hamas and the atrocities that deliberately triggered
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  Speaker 2: this war. And he says net Nyahu's in denial. As
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  Speaker 2: for the humanitarian situation in Gaza, where Hamas has stolen,
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  Speaker 2: stockpiled and profited from.
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  Speaker 1: UNAID let's hear it from net Nyahu himself.
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  Speaker 5: So Hamask created this problem and it was directed against
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  Speaker 5: us immediately. We have a starvation policy which is completely false,
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  Speaker 5: any more than we have a genocide policy, which is
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  Speaker 5: equally false. We don't not this not that I don't
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  Speaker 5: know of a country that texts millions of messages to
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  Speaker 5: civilians to get out of harm's way, giving up the
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  Speaker 5: element of surprise, or calling them into visually and cell phones.
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  Speaker 5: Yet Israel is accused of genocide. It's absurd or starvation policy.
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  Speaker 5: But there was a problem of deprivation, no question about it,
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  Speaker 5: and so we had to solve it. And the way
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  Speaker 5: we solve it is the way I described it to
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  Speaker 5: And there are now not zero trucks, but at least
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  Speaker 5: I think last time I checked hundreds of trucks that
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  Speaker 5: went into Gaza. That's alleviating the situation. Now we have
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  Speaker 5: to we want to increase the number the number of
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  Speaker 5: distribution sites.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to be in denial to me. He
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  Speaker 2: seems to be actually dealing with a situation. Meanwhile, Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: prefers emotive reactions to stage propaganda photos that publicly, by
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  Speaker 2: his own admission, have driven him to this new stance.
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  Speaker 1: Let me show you.
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  Speaker 2: What ABC TV News broadcast last night to.
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  Speaker 1: Encapsulate the Israeli attitude to all this.
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  Speaker 5: To have European countries and Australia to that motion, to
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  Speaker 5: that rabbit hole. It's actually shameful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all they showed of Netanyahu. That's pretty short,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it? And pretty thin. Now we all know the
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  Speaker 2: time pressures of television news, but given how much time
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  Speaker 2: the ABC spends on this issue, running hummas propaganda and
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  Speaker 2: demonizing Israel, the Israeli Prime Minister might have warranted a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more than that. I mean, isn't the ABC
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  Speaker 2: supposed to give taxpayers comprehensive and fair coverage. So let
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  Speaker 2: me ask you to spend a couple of minutes listening
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  Speaker 2: to Benjamin Netanya who explaining all this from an Israeli perspective.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the assumption, the prevailing assumption in this is that
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  Speaker 5: the problem that we have with the Palestinians is the
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  Speaker 5: absence of a Palestinian state, and if they were given
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  Speaker 5: a Palestinian state, they would stop the efforts to destroy
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  Speaker 5: the Jewish state. But the Palestinians were offered a state
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  Speaker 5: many times including in the Practition resolution, and they turned
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  Speaker 5: it down. They were offered statehood by my predecessors with Lavish,
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  Speaker 5: Lavish consists. They turned it down because the Palestinians are
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  Speaker 5: not about creating a state. They're about destroying a state.
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  Speaker 5: That's why they opposed the Jewish national movement to create
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  Speaker 5: the states called Zionism. They opposed it before the inception
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  Speaker 5: of the Jewish State, and they've opposed it since. They've
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  Speaker 5: opposed it when they had the Judean Samaria, the West
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  Speaker 5: Bank and Gaza in their home, they didn't say, let's start,
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  Speaker 5: let's create a state there. They didn't say that because again,
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  Speaker 5: their goal is the destruction of a state. Hamas and
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  Speaker 5: Gaza had a de facto state, it had state, and
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  Speaker 5: it used it to launch a war of terror against Israel,
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  Speaker 5: because their doctrine is that the destruction of Israel should
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  Speaker 5: proceed with forceful and direct military and terrorist moves. That's
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  Speaker 5: what they did in October seventh. That's what they'll do
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  Speaker 5: again if we don't destroy them. The real reason that
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  Speaker 5: this conflict is not because of the absence of a
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  Speaker 5: Palestinian state, but the persistent Palestinian refusal to recognize a
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  Speaker 5: Jewish state in any boundary. Okay, Now, when you give
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  Speaker 5: them a Palestinian state, when they haven't abandoned the goal
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  Speaker 5: of destroying the Jewish state, all you're doing is you're
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  Speaker 5: making your bringing the next war closer to have European
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  Speaker 5: countries and Australia march into that, march into that rabbit
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  Speaker 5: hole just like that, fall right into it. And by
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  Speaker 5: this canard is disappointing and I think it's actually shameful.
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  Speaker 5: But it's not going to take It's not going to
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  Speaker 5: change our position again. We will not commit national suicide
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  Speaker 5: to get to get a good op ed for two minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how can you expose your country and its citizens
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  Speaker 2: to the deadly threat of people who want to destroy
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  Speaker 2: it just for a few minutes of.
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  Speaker 1: Favorable media coverage.
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  Speaker 2: Yet back here in Australia, the moral superiority is palpable.
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  Speaker 7: What happens if those conditions are not met?
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  Speaker 4: Will you still recognize Palestine in September? What we have
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  Speaker 4: said is that we will recognize Palestine in September.
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  Speaker 1: We've also said that that recognition is.
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  Speaker 4: Based on the commitments we have from the Palestinian authority
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  Speaker 4: and which have been made publicly.
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  Speaker 2: You heard right, they'll recognize a Palestinian state even if
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  Speaker 2: no commitments are met. Wong and Albow call them commitments,
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  Speaker 2: but then nothing of the sort. There is no obligation
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  Speaker 2: on the Palestinians to disarm or stop paying terrorists, or
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  Speaker 2: even to hold the elections that I've been promising for
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  Speaker 2: twenty years already. If Wang is so confident that this
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  Speaker 2: will not turn into just another is most extremist bad
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  Speaker 2: land like Gaza, where women have zero rights and non
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  Speaker 2: believers and gayser thrown from rooftops, then perhaps she should
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  Speaker 2: volunteer to be our first ambassador to the State of Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt it.
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  Speaker 2: And for all this as is the way when dealing
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  Speaker 2: with radical activists. Even after this reckless stand to plicate
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  Speaker 2: the protesters, the Albernezi government has failed to satisfy them.
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  Speaker 8: Recognition is completely meaningless. While Australia continues to trade, to
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  Speaker 8: supply arms, to have diplomatic relations, and to diplomatically protect
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  Speaker 8: and encourage other states to normalize with this very state
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  Speaker 8: that is a committing these atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: Even in Australia, some pro Palestinians don't want Israel recognized,
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  Speaker 2: but Albo and Wang reckon that in the Palestinian territories,
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  Speaker 2: their leaders are ready to recognize Israel's right to exist,
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  Speaker 2: disarm themselves and guarantee peace and security. To call this
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  Speaker 2: naive is a massive understatement. It is recklessly ignorant, deliberately obtuse,
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  Speaker 2: and it is selling any prospect of peace or security
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  Speaker 2: down the drain. What a position for a once strong
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  Speaker 2: nation like Australia to take. This is an abandonment of
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  Speaker 2: Israel and of the hostages, and by the way, it
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  Speaker 2: abandons all the Palestinian people of Gaza who are left
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  Speaker 2: to keep suffering under the murderous hamas warmongers. What a
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  Speaker 2: tragedy for Australia's wants strong reputation. Perhaps, just perhaps this
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  Speaker 2: will be Albo's troops home by Christmas moment, the time
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  Speaker 2: when voters realize the dangerously erratic traits of Mark Latham.
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  Speaker 2: This could be the policy move that shows voters how
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  Speaker 2: shallow Albanese is and what a bunch of dud trihards
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  Speaker 2: they've elected.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson. Good
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  Speaker 1: to speak to you.
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  Speaker 2: James, got to get your thoughts on this recognition and
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  Speaker 2: what happens in the future because your leader today, Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 2: has said that a coalition government would overturn this would
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  Speaker 2: unrecognize any state of Palestine at that time.
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  Speaker 1: How would you expect that to unfold?
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  Speaker 9: Well, Chris, there is no state of Palestine, and the
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  Speaker 9: Australian government under the Prime Minister recognizing the state of
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  Speaker 9: Palestine doesn't create a state of Palestine, a start of
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  Speaker 9: Palestine one. This will only be created when the Israelis
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  Speaker 9: and the Palestinians come to an agreement. And that is
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  Speaker 9: why for thirty years that it's been the bipartisan policy
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  Speaker 9: of the Australian government to only recognize a Palstinan state
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  Speaker 9: as an endpoint of a peace process and not along
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  Speaker 9: the journey. Right now, we don't even have two parties
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  Speaker 9: that are in gauged in talks or willing to engauge
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  Speaker 9: in talks. And this premature recognition is further incentive for
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  Speaker 9: both the Palastine authority and Himas to refuse to sit
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  Speaker 9: down and negotiate with Israel because they are getting the
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  Speaker 9: thing that they want from countries like Australia, which is
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  Speaker 9: recognition without conditions. Let's be clear, this is not a
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  Speaker 9: deft act of international diplomacy from the Prime Minister. It
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  Speaker 9: is a desperate act of domestic politics, and he is
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  Speaker 9: only doing it because he's spooked by ninety thousand people
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  Speaker 9: walking across the Sydney Harmer Pub Bridge. He himself outlined
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  Speaker 9: two weeks ago on inside as many good reasons why
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  Speaker 9: we should not do this. Nothing has changed in two
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  Speaker 9: weeks except the Primis has gone weak and wobbly at
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  Speaker 9: the news.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: In three years and six years time, there will be
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  Speaker 2: no Palestinian states, so it'll just be a matter of
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  Speaker 2: changing our position at the United Nations. Now, as I
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  Speaker 2: outlined there, we are now abandoning the Israeli and American position.
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  Speaker 2: If that were to unfold it all those years down
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  Speaker 2: the track, we would be realigning ourselves with both of
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  Speaker 2: those countries, especially our key ally.
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  Speaker 1: In the US. How serious do you think the damage
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  Speaker 1: is right now with the US alliance?
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  Speaker 2: How sternly would Washington be viewing Australia's actions.
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  Speaker 9: Well, of course, Australia's foreign policy is a matter for Australia,
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  Speaker 9: and we should decide it consistent with our own national interest,
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  Speaker 9: regardless of what our friends or allies might say. But
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  Speaker 9: the problem with this decision in this instance is it's
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  Speaker 9: not the only source of irritation in the by lateral
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  Speaker 9: relationship with the United States. It comes alongside the Prime
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  Speaker 9: Minister's pathetic attempts to meet with President Trump's non existent
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  Speaker 9: attempts to meet with President Trump. We're now two hundred
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  Speaker 9: and eighty days on from his election as president and
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  Speaker 9: the Primeist has made no meaningful attempt to go and
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  Speaker 9: see him, and disputes about things like defense spending, which
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  Speaker 9: our own best experts tell us and our American friends
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  Speaker 9: is not adequate to meet the challenges at the moment.
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  Speaker 9: So cumulatively, all of these things I think are adding
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  Speaker 9: up to a really poor by lateral relationship with our
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  Speaker 9: most important security partner. And I fear that under the
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  Speaker 9: Prime Minister's watch and Foreign Minister Penny Wong's watch, this
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  Speaker 9: is only going to get worse before it gets better.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to show you something the Prime Minister said
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  Speaker 2: yesterday which staggered me, which really shocked me and disappointed me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised it hasn't got more of a backlash.
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  Speaker 2: But he refers to terrorists, so this would be including
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  Speaker 2: suicide bombers as marthe.
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  Speaker 1: As his anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 3: It has pledged to abolish the system of payments to
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  Speaker 3: the families of prisoners and martyrs.
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  Speaker 2: Are you surprised? Give me your thoughts on him adopting
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  Speaker 2: that language.
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  Speaker 1: That is a very good pickup, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: That is an appalling mistake, I hope from the Prime
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  Speaker 9: Minister adopting the language of terrorists by describing a suicide bomber.
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  Speaker 1: As a marta.
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  Speaker 9: Of course, that is what the Palestinian authority calls people
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  Speaker 9: who get on school buses and blow themselves to smithereens
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  Speaker 9: and take Israeli Jewish children with them, And no Australian
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  Speaker 9: Prime minister should endorse or use language like that.
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  Speaker 1: We should call it for what it is.
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  Speaker 9: The Palestinian authority pays money to the family of terrorists.
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  Speaker 1: After they kill Israelis.
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  Speaker 9: It's one of the many reasons why we should not
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  Speaker 9: recognize a Palestinian state. And a flimsy promise of reform
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  Speaker 9: from marmouda Bas who is twenty years into his first
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  Speaker 9: four year term, should be treated with the contempt that
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  Speaker 9: it should naturally carry. But the Prime Minister is apparently
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  Speaker 9: convinced his sincere and will follow through.
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  Speaker 2: I want to give you a quick hit on the economy,
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  Speaker 2: but just before we do, there's one other international issue.
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  Speaker 1: I'm keen to get your thoughts on.
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  Speaker 2: This unfolded in the South China Sea. This is too
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  Speaker 2: Chinese vessel pursuing a Filipino vessel crashing into each other.
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  Speaker 2: There's this demonstrate for us what a high stake situation
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  Speaker 2: it is in those waters.
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  Speaker 9: It does Chris and the PRC, whether it's the Coastguard
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  Speaker 9: or their navy, has been engaged in incredibly resk reckless
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  Speaker 9: and risky behavior in the South China Sea, trying to
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: intimidate our friend, the Philippines, and it was only a
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: matter of time before it ended in tragedy. In this instance,
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: it appears to be friendly fire incidents on their own
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: naval offices, but it very easily could have been injury
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: or death to Philippine naval offices as well. Australia must
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: stand shoulder to shoulder with the Philippines in helping them
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: defend their maritime sovereignty and making clear that this is
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: reckless and unacceptable conduct from the peoples of the Rationian Army,
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: Navy and the Chinese Coast.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Guard and more in keeping with your economic portfolio. Interest
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: rates down again today, are we starting to see the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: cost of living ease?
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: I wish we were, Chris. But if you're an average
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: mortgage holder with a six hundred thousand dollars loan, you
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: save one hundred dollars from this interest rate cuts, But
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: you're paying eighteen hundred dollars more than you were three
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: years ago when this government came to power, because there's
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: been twelve interest rate rises on their watch and only
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: three interest rate cuts, and so you're still far far
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: worse off than you were before all this government was elected.
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: And that's before we even contemplate your electricity bill, or
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: your grocery bill, or your insurance or so many other
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: cost of living pressures that Australian families are facing. The
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: truth is this government has no plan to get our
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: economy back on track, nor it doesn't have any plan
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: to get the economy moving again with productivity growth. And
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: the RBA has called that out by lowering their forecast
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: for productivity growth going forward to an anemic zero point
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: seven percent, which is crisis levels of low productivity growth.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's good to talk to you, James, Thanks very much, Senator,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: James Patterson.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Their Liberal front bencher, Shadow Minister for Finance and Senator
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: for Victoria.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Of course I want to stay on this Reserve Bank
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: decision and this much expected, and along.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Away said further cut into strates. There's another quarter of a.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Percent down today to three point six percent. That's the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: cash straight. Your mortgages are typically going to be about
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: five and a half percent. They've come down already this
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: afternoon with most banks doing that. The Treasurer, though, Jim Chalmers,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: he was as usual, sounding pretty smug.
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: To give you a sense of the achievement here, the
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: Australian people together for the first time in almost two decades,
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: have delivered an outcome in the labor market and in
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: interest rates, which means that for the first time in
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: almost two decades we've seen three interest rate cuts in
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: a calendar year, with the unemployment rates still lower than
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: five percent.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in economist and policy advisor Dmitri Burstein from
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Eminence Advisory.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Dmitri. What do you make
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of this?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: We just heard from James Patterson about how we're still
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: way behind where we were more than three years ago.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: How do you make this out in terms of the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: economy demand, cost of living squeeze.
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: Well, personally, I think I point out this is not
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: a good sign. You wouldn't be cutting interest rates if
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: the economy is going well. It's a stimulant to a
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: struggling economy. But my personal view is I didn't think
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: the interest rate covers justified. It's not, you know, part
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: of the RBA's mandate to cover up for bad public
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: policy by stimulant providing monetary stimulus. The economy is anemic.
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: We're in big, big trouble, and this is part of it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: And one of the things that has yet to filter
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: through the discussion is that the productivity figures that the RBA.
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: The lower productivity figures the r b A is projecting
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: we'll wash through to the budget as well, because productivity
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: is a major driver of the budget. So project everything
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: else equal, you predict higher budget deficits and more expectations
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: of tax from from the Treasurer's worry.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Let me just jump in there, because Michelle Bullet, the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: rb I gave the focused on productivity and her assessment
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: was pretty bleak.
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: Have a look weak of productivity growth in the terms
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: of our forecast. The implications of that I think are
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: already being filled. That is that real wages are not
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: rising go very much.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: As you say, That shows underlying problems with the economy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: If you look at this graph that I think you've
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: sent to a showing productivity growth over the years, we've plummeted.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Now the government's recognized this after the election by saying
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: they'll have a productivity summit, but all the talk and
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the lead up to that seems to be focusing on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: tax increases and tax shuffles rather than productivity. As a country,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: we need to make more with less, and we're not
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: doing it right.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: You know, the productivity Summit, as I coined Jim's jamboree,
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: you know, there's no discussion about you know, raining and
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: government spending, no discussion of getting the government out of
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: the way. It's all about you know more. You know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: the big focus has been on ways to better tax
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: the people to meet the rising tide of government spending.
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: Productivity is a measure of how efficiently you produce. Government
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: doesn't really produce, and when you're taking a bigger, bigger
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: share of the productive economy and transferring it to the
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: public sector, inevitably you're going to have less productivity and
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: less and slower economic growth. It's arithmetic reality.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and all that spending is also smashing the budget
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: as you say. All right, so mister smug Treasurer Jim
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Charmers to stop patting himself on the back and do
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: some hard work on productivity measures.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: We will see. Thanks for joining us, Dmitri.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciate Dmitry bursting them from eminence advisory. We're going
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to get to a break on the other side. I'm
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: going to check in with a spokesperson from the Australian
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Jewish community to get more on the reaction to this
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: shocking decision Australia has made when it comes to a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: so called Palestinian state. Now, as I mentioned earlier, the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Coalition federally has said that if and when it returns
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to government in Canberra, it would overturn the Albanesi government's
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: recognition of a so called Palestinian state.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: He's the opposition leader, Susan Lee.
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: It rewards them and it emboldens them, and they have
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: made that clear by saying that these decisions around the
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: world are the fruit of their hideous actions on October seventh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 13: and that is to their shame.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Simon Abel, who's head of Legal at
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Simone.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You must be heartened at least that the Coalition is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: opposing this move and saying that they would overturn it
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: if and when they returned the government.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Thanks so much for having me, Chris. Yeah, it has
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: been encouraging to hear the words of the Coalition on this.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: I think that they've spoken with real clarity about what
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: we see as being some of the major issues you
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: know that unfortunately run counter to the ideals of this announcement.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Now Malesia has demonstrated any particular understanding of the practical
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: issues on the ground in Israel?
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: I think, unfortunately what's lacking from this, Whilst we don't
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: doubt that it's you know, the product of great intentions,
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: is an understanding of the practical realities. I mean, we've
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: got the Palestinian authority twenty years into its first term
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: and we've got a situation where in the past, for example,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: the Israeli withdrawal from Ghazan two thousand and five, the
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: Palestinian Authority was unable to assert any control. As you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: there was a very brutal and bloody civil war that
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: followed and many members of the Palestinian Authority were tortured
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: and killed. So unfortunately, there's nothing to suggest that this
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: time around there's any practical ability for the Palestinian Authority
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: to assert control or govern in the way that we
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: would expect to see a democratic government government this area.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And there's a central paradox here from albourn Easy and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the others pushing this and that is that they say
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that HUMAS needs to disarm.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Well, at the moment, the only.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Entity trying to disarm HUMMAS is the Israeli Defense Force.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yet they're saying they should lay down their arms, call
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a ceasefire, leave HUMMAS in control. How on earth are
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: they expecting HUMMAS to then be disarmed?
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Well, precisely, I think, you know, the announcement of recognition
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: of a Palestinian state very much plays into the goals
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: that HUMAS had on October seventh when they engage in
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: their brutal terrorist attacks in Israel. And unfortunately, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: their strategy has been very effective, but we still have
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: a situation where HUMAS is able to exert controlling guars,
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: and as you say, Chris, Israel is the only one
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: that's supposing that and acting in order to defend itself.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: And we have a situation where our hostages are still
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: held in the most brutal conditions that just defy our worst,
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: our imagination and kind of our worst nightmare. And how
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: is it that we think that the hostages will be
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: returned now that Palestinian state has been announced. What incentive
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: is there for Hamas to lay down its arms, to
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: demilitarize and to do the right thing and to ensure
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: that we have a cease fire.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: It's just astonishing that it's full hardy going down this path.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: But if you were, then the number one precondition would
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: have to be the release of the hostages. Yet they
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: haven't even got that. They've got some loose commitment to
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: eventually release them after a state has granted.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: It is madness. But listen to Anthony Alberizi.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: He thinks he knows more about the situation than Benjamin Netnahu.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: The plan of Prime Minister net Yahoo is just to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: continue continue to push into Gaza, occupy Gaza City. How
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: will that provide a resolution going forward to ongoing conflict
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: that has been there for seventy seven years.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a horrible war. It's been going almost to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: two years. Nobody expected it to.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Go this long.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: But the stated aim of rooting out Hamas remains the case,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and obviously that's what Israel's trying to do by going
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: into Gaza City.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Chris I would.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: Say, you know, there's no one that supports the right
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: to self determination more than the Jewish people, and we
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: the Australian Jewish community, fully recognize and support the right
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: to self determination of the Palestinian people. However, we see
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: that as being the outcome of a negotiated peace settlement
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: that resolves all of these final status issues. And you know, unfortunately,
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: when you announce conditions, however well intended they are, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: not any mechanism for us assessing whether or not those
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: are fulfilled and enforcing them, then you have a situation where,
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: you know, unfortunately, there's not really any incentive on the
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: parties involved, or indeed the practical capacity to actually make
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: those conditions come about. And I think that's really what
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: we're concerned about. I mean, we don't want to see
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: a permanent occupation of Gaza by the Israeli military We
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: do want an immediate cease fire. We do want peace.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: We don't want to see you know, Hungary Palestinians or
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: suffering of civilians. We all care about these things, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: we need to see a situation where Israel does not
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: face future October seventh, and where Israel can live in
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: peace and security with its neighbors.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Well said Simone, Thanks so much for joining us again.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Simoneable there, who's the executive council of Australian Jury, she's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: their legal counsel.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: There. Got to get to a break on the other
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: side of that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Christen Tade in the US to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: talk about the dammage all this.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Is doing to our US alliance.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Across to our US analyst Kristen Tatian just a moment,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: She's got an excellent con column up on our website
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: skynews dot com dot Au looking at the breakdown in
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Australia's relationship with the United States.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Kristen sums it up this way.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: In the transactional world of Trump diplomacy, respect is currency
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and mister Albanesi has none to spend. So we started
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: off our chat discussing whether Albanesi's moved to recognize a
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Palestinian state will be noticed in Washington.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Of course, this declaration to recognize Palestine, it defires the
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: United States and Israel, and it will only deepen the
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: tension between Australia and the United States. I mean, the
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: state of the relationship between President Trump and Albanesi. It's
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: not just streamed, it's nearly non existent. Chris, and this,
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: I believe, and as I wrote in my column, is
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: largely due to political miscalculation the part of four PM.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: He has made repeated nasty comments towards Trump, as has
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: You're now ambassador to the United States who once said
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: that Trump was the most destructive president in American history.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: And that's largely because many of these global elites, prior
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: to the most recent election here in the United States,
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: just thought Trump was sort of this blip, this political blip,
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: and he would kind of fade away after the twenty
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: twenty laws and he wouldn't really be important anymore. They
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: really underestimated the Trump movement that has swept not only
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: the United States but actually the world and is reshaping
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: global alliances. So if your Prime minister wants to build
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: a relationship with Trump. It is going to take some humility.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: He may even have to come forward and apologize for
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: some of his past statements. And he needs to be
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: proactive in not only reaching out to the President himself,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: but to key people in the White House, to think tanks,
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: and to other lawmakers and movers and groovers here in
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: DC who can kind of serve as a bridge between
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: our nations.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Right now, you are so right, Christian. I couldn't disagree
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: with a word of that. It's terrible diplomacy from Anthony
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: al but he doesn't seem to understand it. It was
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: put to him that this decision would impact the US Alliance.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So here's what he had to say.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: President Trump has made it very clear that he wants
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to see peace in the region. Australia wants to see
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: peace in the region. We make our sovereign decisions as
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: a nation state in Australia's national interest, and we are
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: aligning ourselves with like minded countries.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Christian, I hate to talk my own
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: country down, but that's our Prime minister sounding like a
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Miss Universe beauty contestant.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It's all we all want peace, So.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It's all going to work out for a more hard
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: headed analysis. Here's the former Trump White House Chief of Staff,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Mick Bolvany.
• 35:55
  Speaker 14: France, the UK and now apparently Australia are going to
• 35:59
  Speaker 14: reward Harma US for invading Israel on October seventh.
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: Two years ago.
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: That's what this is and that's how it's going to
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: be spawned in the United States again. Democrats are going
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: to love it. People who are pro Palestinian here are
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: going to love it. But the folks in control of
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: the House, the Senate, in the White House right now
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: are not going to like it very much.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Big movin need and now Kristen Anthony Albaneze.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: He's going to the US, He's going to the UN
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: General Assembly next month. He's desperate to see Donald Trump.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But it sounds like he'll have a feis to face
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: meeting with mahmou the Bass, the Palestinian Lada. What chance
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: that he could get rebuffed by the President and not
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: even get to meet him.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, if if history of the last six months
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: is any indicator, the chances are I guess pretty significant
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: that he won't get a meeting with the US President.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: And this comes at a time where Albanizi really needs
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: at least some sort of communication. Given the situation with
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: the tariffs. The US is of course the fifth largest
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: destiny for Australian goods exports. Australia wants concessions, but so
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: far Trump has not given those. And you know, it
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: sounds sort of silly, but it's true. It kind of
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: all comes down to personalities. Trump is the kind of
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: leader who does not forget pasted nasty remarks from other leaders.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: He just doesn't, and so he does forgive people though.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: So the only way to kind of repair this relationship
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: again is for all being easy to be the one
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: to try to proactively reach out to Trump in a
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: meaningful way and show respect instead of just being dismissive
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: to not only the president but to the political movement
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: that he represents.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bring it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: From globel affairs in the US Alliance and Australia to
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: very domestic politics for Donald Trump. Now, I've been to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Washington day, say soe many times over the last twenty years.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I always find a very safe city in the middle
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: of town when you're going down the mole and to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: all the official buildings and the like. But it's easy
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to get into trouble in the suburbs of Washington for
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: one of a different wood and he's sending in the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: national guid they are to bolstered security in d C.
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: He's the president, they'll immediately begin massive enforcement operations targeting
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: known gangs, drug dealers, and criminal networks to get them
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: the hell off the street, maybe get them out of
• 38:16
  Speaker 15: the country because a lot of them came into a
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: country illegally. They shouldn't have been allowed in. They come
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: from Venezuela, they come from.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: All over the world. We're going to get them the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: hell out. They won't be here long. But some of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: these people, a lot of them are homegrown criminals. Yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: this is a huge move.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Kristin tell us about how badly it's needed, how bad
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is the crime situation in d C. And people welcoming
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the president getting involved in this way.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: No, the city is in a terrible state. It's been
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: that way for years. I have family in the DC area.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: People who live there do not feel protected by the police.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: And you know, it's really interesting because Washington, d C,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: of course, is this city of splendid centers of power
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: and I can monuments, but it's also at the same
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: time become kind of this burned out urban center where
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: where wayward youths can steal your car and you can
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: just become the target of random violence just if you're
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: in the wrong place at the wrong time. President Trump
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: made this move to send in the National Guard after
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: a former Doze worker was violently assaulted just two miles
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: from the White House. You think this violence takes place
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: so far away from the center of the city and
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: where the White House is, Actually it's crept in towards
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  Speaker 6: the center of the city. This has been going on largely.
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  Speaker 6: It's been really bad for years, but it's gotten worse
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  Speaker 6: since COVID and the twenty twenty Great Awokening. It is
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: now the fourth highest homicide rate in the United States
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  Speaker 6: for cities the Washington d C is So something needs
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  Speaker 6: to be done, and Trump is doing the right thing.
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  Speaker 6: The question is is he going to do it in
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: New York and other cities because we kind of need
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  Speaker 6: it there too.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't have quite the simu authority I suppose
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  Speaker 2: as he does in DC. It's going to be fascinating
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  Speaker 2: to watch you. We'll catch up with You'll getting next
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  Speaker 2: to next week.
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  Speaker 1: Kristen. Thanks, thank you. Chris A.
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  Speaker 2: Big time democrat city is d C. Of course, why
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: is it always these strongly democrat voting cities and Democrat
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: run cities that seem to have such big problems with crime.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to the break On the other side,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to catching up with Susio o brien
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and Stephen Senna Tiempo on Anthony Albanesi's hopeless geography and diplomacy,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: and also Snoop Dog heading to the g.
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  Speaker 1: For Grand Final Day. Can you believe it?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Love some Tuesday opinions with Suzio O'Brien, whose News Corps
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: National Education Editor.
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  Speaker 1: And Stephen Senate Tiempo and Canberra We already hosts two
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: double CE Breakfast Radio. Good to see you both again.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Let's start off with you at top of mind reaction
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to what Anthony Alberanezi and Penny Wong have done with
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: this recognition of a Palestinian state. SUSI, how do you
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: think this is going to go down? What do you
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: think it says about the government?
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  Speaker 16: Well, I mean the thing is that they were originally
• 41:02
  Speaker 16: saying that it was going to be linked with a
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: whole lot of conditions, such as that there would be
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: democratic elections that there would be no role for him us.
• 41:10
  Speaker 16: So where does that all stand? And you also have
• 41:13
  Speaker 16: to say, what is this going to actually do to
• 41:16
  Speaker 16: help the people of the starving people of Palestine right now?
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: What are they doing that's going to make any difference
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: on the ground. Is this just more political grandstanding?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely will do absolutely nothing. Stephen Chris, I've got to say.
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  Speaker 17: I don't think there's ever been a time in my
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: life that I've been a shame to be Australian, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 17: yesterday I felt genuine shame because our government has, well,
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: our Prime minister, let's point the finger at the top,
• 41:43
  Speaker 17: has become a fangirl on the international stage. It's all
• 41:46
  Speaker 17: about appeasing his mates and self aggrandizing rather than actually
• 41:51
  Speaker 17: doing anything meaningful. And it just shows how this work
• 41:55
  Speaker 17: has never been across his brief on anything, and on
• 41:58
  Speaker 17: this particular issue, I don't think it's.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Ever been worse.
• 42:01
  Speaker 17: I mean, he sought assurances from Mackmuda bus, the leader
• 42:04
  Speaker 17: of the Palestinian Authority, for things that this bloke can't deliver.
• 42:08
  Speaker 17: You know, he has no control over Ghazi, has no
• 42:10
  Speaker 17: control over her mass, but somehow he's going to give
• 42:13
  Speaker 17: assurances that her mass will be disarmed and Israel will
• 42:17
  Speaker 17: be recognized, et cetera.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: When he can't do that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: But more importantly, it's even the adherence to international law.
• 42:23
  Speaker 17: The Monteverdeo Convention clearly sets out four requirements for statehood.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Palestine meets none of those. None of it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: We're going to go to the United Nations and recognize
• 42:34
  Speaker 17: a Palestinian state.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to achieve nothing.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Other than it's supposed to have a defined borders and
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a system of government and all this. And as Susie said,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: these conditions have now been wiped, you know, disarmed Hamas
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: hold elections Now they say, well, they can do that
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: after they form a state. And the ridiculous thing, Susie
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: is that this bloke, muckmoder Bush is making these promises.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: He has promised elections in the Palestinian authority, if it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that's what he is, hasn't held them.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: He would dearly love to Hamas, but he can't. They
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: overthrew his people in Gaza.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And by the way, he happens to be eighty nine
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: years old and his word might not last very long.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seems bizarre.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, they did have these things that they were
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: saying they were going to seek these assurances before they
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: were going to take this step, and as you say,
• 43:24
  Speaker 16: this has just gone completely out of the window. Meanwhile,
• 43:27
  Speaker 16: the situation on the ground in Gaza is absolutely dire.
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: You know, the aide still isn't getting through, the food
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: still isn't getting through, and the politicians are just as
• 43:38
  Speaker 16: you say, palpsing around on the world stage. I mean,
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: let's see some action on the ground in Gaza. You're
• 43:46
  Speaker 16: getting food to people who are starving.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: It's pretty clear album As he doesn't understand these issues.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: He's got no understanding of Hamas and is Limist extremism.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: He hasn't even watched the video, so he doesn't understand
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: what motivates these groups. Not all Palestinian people have, but
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: these is almost extremist groups that tend to overlord them.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But there is a lot of ignorance in this debate,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: as we've often seen when people have turned up a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: protest where they're shouting a river to the sea.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Well, but I don't know what they're talking about. Have
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a look, can.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: You tell me which river and which sea we're talking
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: about here? This is a you've cut me on the spot.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know geography.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Man, and extraordinarily Anthony Albanezi, who wants to recognize a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Palestinian state, he doesn't know that it's the Jordan River
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and the Mediterranean Sea either have.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: A Harmas don't support two states, they support one state.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: In their own words, from the river to the sea,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: from the Jordan River to the ocean.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: To that blue wobbly stuff what mermaids live in, Stephen.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's embarrassing, it really is.
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: But I think there's a couple of things that really
• 45:00
  Speaker 17: come out of this is that this bloke has trashed
• 45:03
  Speaker 17: our alliances with our long held partners, both Israel and
• 45:07
  Speaker 17: the United States, to cozy up to the likes of
• 45:09
  Speaker 17: China and Hamas. And when you look at this decision,
• 45:12
  Speaker 17: who celebrated the decision, Hamas, who's condemned the decision Israel?
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: That should tell you everything you need to know about
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: this decision by the Australian government.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But I mean, it's just extraordinary that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 17: His comments after his phone call with the Benjamin Netanya
• 45:25
  Speaker 17: who it's almost like, well, he's in denial, so we're
• 45:27
  Speaker 17: going to recognize a Palestinian state. That's not how you
• 45:30
  Speaker 17: make these decisions. You make these decisions in a considered manner,
• 45:35
  Speaker 17: but it's almost petulance that drives everything this bloke does.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: It is terrible. It is terrible. Anyway, we'll talk more
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: about that. We've got to move on some other issues.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: We'll talk more about it in the rest of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: week and weeks to come. Susie, I want to get
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: your thoughts this cracking story, disturbing story I reckon where
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: we all know about influencers on Instagram and the like,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people wasting their lives and
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: making a lot of money doing that, but actually using
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: your kids to be an influence isn't that a bit horrible?
• 46:03
  Speaker 16: Well, it's called kidfluencing, and there's a lot of kids
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: making a lot of money, so they're basically just posting
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: often paid content. And there's some research that questions the
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: ethics of this, saying that kids are getting exploited, saying
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: that labor laws aren't being upheld. It's kind of his
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: lawless influencing industry. And we were looking at the example
• 46:25
  Speaker 16: of Pixie Curtis, who's Roxy Jasenko, who works in PR.
• 46:30
  Speaker 16: It's her daughter. She started working as a social media
• 46:33
  Speaker 16: influencer as a toddler. She then retired at eleven, but
• 46:37
  Speaker 16: like many people who retire, she couldn't stop working. So
• 46:41
  Speaker 16: now at thirteen, she's continuing to post paid and unpaid content.
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: And her mum said to me the other day that
• 46:48
  Speaker 16: it was about her posting for family and friends. But
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: you know, these are kids who are probably too young
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: to make the decision for themselves, putting themselves out there
• 46:58
  Speaker 16: in a completely unnews related way, often getting a lot
• 47:02
  Speaker 16: of money for it and getting exploited. And so yes,
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: we did this piece about influences. Certainly some of them
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: just don't know when to stop. And such a worry
• 47:15
  Speaker 16: to think that they are being exploited.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the hell of will worry.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Now I want to go to what I think is
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the greatest day on the sporting calendar every year, that
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: is the AFL Grand Final. What I hate about it, though,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: is the entertainment. I want no entertainment. I want footy, footy, footy.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's all Super Bowl and everything these days.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And here's the announcement for this year's entertainment.
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: One hundred thousand fans and the best two teams and
• 47:41
  Speaker 18: your boy big snoop deal double g at the MCG
• 47:45
  Speaker 18: can wait to see you on in September for the
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: Telstrap pregame entertainment brought to you by me.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Good Lord Stevens. Shouldn't that be mc double G.
• 47:58
  Speaker 17: Yeah, well that's what I was going to say, Snoop
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: do double the G. Look, we were talking about this
• 48:02
  Speaker 17: in the office this morning, and we can only come
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: up with one Snoop dog song that anybody knew. It
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: was called drop it apparently, drop it while it's hot,
• 48:09
  Speaker 17: or drop it like it's hot or something like that. Look,
• 48:11
  Speaker 17: I got no problem with hip hop music as long
• 48:13
  Speaker 17: as somebody else is listening to it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Well, we've got it here it is. Drop it like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: it's hot or something. Would the pimps in the crib
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: mund drop it like.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: It tid drap it like you tid drop it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: Like it tidt to get it?
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, while it's the Carton theme song, exactly, drop them
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: while they're while everyone thought they were hot.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Susie.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I hope I'm there, but I'll be out the back
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: getting the beer while he's doing that stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: I reckon I should drop the dog g G. Look,
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: I'm not a fan. I cannot see the point of it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 16: I think it's sort of divisive because you know he's
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: got a little bit of a negative history. The best
• 48:51
  Speaker 16: AFL entertainment ones that everyone likes, like Katie Perry or
• 48:55
  Speaker 16: Tom Jones.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Kiss the foot how about that? How about the footy?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: That's entertainment. Thanks for joining us, Sussi and Stephen will
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: catch you next week. Have I've got time just to
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: squeeze in a couple of your responses to Anthony Abernezi's decision.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: One viewer says despicable, he doesn't speak for the majority
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: of Australians and just one more of viewers as elbow
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: has played into the hands of Hummas full Well said,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: thanks for all your feedback. I'll see you tomorrow night.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Here's Steve Price with Kremlin