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FULL INTERVIEW: Glasses Malone, Malcolm Spellman, Jason Martin & Peyton Alex Smith Talk Protecting Hip Hop Culture, New Show 'The Drop' + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Hold up.
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  Speaker 2: Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.
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  Speaker 3: The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: You all finished or you all done?
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  Speaker 4: Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 4: DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God. Envy and Jess
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  Speaker 4: are not here, but LL Cool Bay, Lauren LaRosa is.
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  Speaker 4: And we got some special guests in the building all
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  Speaker 4: the way from the West Coast, man. They are here
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  Speaker 4: to talk about the drop on FX. My man G Malone,
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  Speaker 4: Glasses Malone.
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  Speaker 5: It's the deal, man.
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  Speaker 1: Peyton Alex Smith.
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  Speaker 3: What up, what up?
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  Speaker 1: Malcolm Spellman.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, hello.
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  Speaker 1: And Jason, the Problem Martin.
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  Speaker 5: What's happening with.
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  Speaker 4: You, man?
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  Speaker 1: How y'all doing, man? How does it feel? Martin, I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk to you first, right?
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  Speaker 4: Because you're the creator of The Drop. Why was hip-hop
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  Speaker 4: the natural place to take the Snowfall universe?
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  Speaker 3: For me, it felt like a flip side to the
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  Speaker 3: same coin. Like, I'm of an age that I was
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  Speaker 3: there for the events of Snowfall, right? And I got
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  Speaker 3: to witness that in the fires of what the bomb
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  Speaker 3: of crack dropping in our community was, Snowfall explored that.
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  Speaker 3: The flip side to that were the people and the
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  Speaker 3: geniuses that came out of them fires as a response
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  Speaker 3: to it. So it seemed obvious. It felt like you couldn't,
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  Speaker 3: it was the soundtrack to what was happening.
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  Speaker 1: And Jason and Glasses, y'all, I can't call you Jason.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to call me Jason.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still here.
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  Speaker 1: Same nigga. They both here. They both here, both of them.
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  Speaker 1: Problem with Glasses, y'all writers on the drop.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I write all the original music.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And vocal produce it, and I'm a creative consultant. I've
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  Speaker 2: acted on it, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Go a little, I think it's important to talk of like,
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  Speaker 3: I think we did something very different with this writer's room.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Which is, Glasses and Jason are up in there every day,
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  Speaker 3: but so are like Jimmy Chris, Jim Bob, who like
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  Speaker 3: the consultants who was the real street dudes are in
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  Speaker 3: the room every day. They're on set every day. They're
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  Speaker 3: in props meetings and what's called meetings. So these dudes,
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  Speaker 3: they in there not only pitching, but saying, no, it
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  Speaker 3: was or wasn't like that.
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  Speaker 4: So when y'all watch the show, what does the show
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  Speaker 4: understand about LA that somebody who wasn't from there probably
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't even notice?
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  Speaker 3: The love. Love is everything.
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  Speaker 6: I used to always tell you for years, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 6: there's way more passes. There's way more people being good
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  Speaker 6: to each other than is bad. Like, you just see
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  Speaker 6: the highlights in a lot of these other films. You
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  Speaker 6: watch Colors, and it's like you only see the highlights
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  Speaker 6: or the police perspective. This does a great job of
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  Speaker 6: looking at how people see each other. Like, it could
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  Speaker 6: be a crip at a house full of bloods, and
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  Speaker 6: they give him a pass. It could be a blood
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  Speaker 6: who grew up in a crip neighborhood, and he just
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  Speaker 6: hiding out from the police. living in his house full
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  Speaker 6: of crips, and everybody gonna show him love. I feel
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  Speaker 6: like the love of how we loved each other at
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  Speaker 6: that time was underrated too, so this show does a
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  Speaker 6: good job of exploring that reality.
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  Speaker 1: What you think, Rob?
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  Speaker 2: Man, both the things they said, and just highlighting what
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  Speaker 2: the West Coast has brought to hip-hop, I think is
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  Speaker 2: very important. Just the entrepreneurialism of it all, how the
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  Speaker 2: guys knew to say, all right, let's take this maybe
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  Speaker 2: destructive way we created our finances, And dub him into
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  Speaker 2: these geniuses in this neighborhood. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And on some other shit, one of the main characters, Lamar,
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  Speaker 2: you guys would deem him like a nerd. But even
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  Speaker 2: he got some gangsta in him. It's something about us
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  Speaker 2: from over there that this show is highlighting that we've
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  Speaker 2: never seen on TV. You know what I'm saying? The humanity,
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  Speaker 2: the soul, the family, and the music. We just getting
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  Speaker 2: on for gangbanging and people wearing hats. And they always
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  Speaker 2: try to only put that in our films and TV.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's very important. And I'm happy that
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm Spellman fought and fought and fought and fought to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that it was a through line that this
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  Speaker 2: is not about that.
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  Speaker 7: Do y'all feel like all of that is resonating? I
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  Speaker 7: see a lot of the conversations that's happening on Twitter. Glasses,
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  Speaker 7: I always see you on Twitter engaging with the fans.
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  Speaker 7: Y'all feel like people are picking up what y'all are
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  Speaker 7: putting down in the way that y'all intended them to?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Most definitely.
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  Speaker 5: Fans are definitely.
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  Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong, the highlight moments are the highlight moments,
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  Speaker 6: but it does force another conversation where people, they're asking, damn, G,
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  Speaker 6: it was situations where Bloods would help Crips. And I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's my career by itself. So you can live the
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  Speaker 6: real thing and people don't see it. They don't look
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  Speaker 6: at somebody like The Game or Face or G-Rod or
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  Speaker 6: Tony Lane or Mac-10 or Birdman or somebody helping me
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  Speaker 6: not realizing I'm a Crip. But if you put it
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  Speaker 6: on television, they digest it completely different.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Peyton, you didn't have the lived experience of, like,
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  Speaker 4: G and Problem, right? So what did you have to
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  Speaker 4: learn about the 90s before you could play James, honestly?
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  Speaker 1: Man, a lot of, like, research, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 8: And then, like, using these resources that, you know, Malcolm, like,
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  Speaker 8: put in front of all of us, like, just kicking
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  Speaker 8: it with them, like, from the first day I met him, like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, they kind of took me in, like, there'd
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  Speaker 8: be moments on set where I remember, like, like going in, in,
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  Speaker 8: in a scene and a problem pulling up and be like,
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  Speaker 8: he'll just pop his head in the room and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: we didn't say that. And, uh, and just pop out.
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  Speaker 8: So I like, I got to chill with, uh, Skip,
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  Speaker 8: Jim Bob, um, just kind of immersing myself in the,
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  Speaker 8: in the, in the culture. And I kind of just
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  Speaker 8: tried to, uh, like they helped me with my dialect,
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  Speaker 8: kind of try to stay in that, uh, for like a,
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  Speaker 8: an entire year. And I would just go around places
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  Speaker 8: in LA to see if like, you know, random people
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  Speaker 8: believe me.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 8: I go to a smoke shop and, and try to
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  Speaker 8: stay in character and see if the smoke shot believe me.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, don't y'all call that something? What's that called
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  Speaker 1: when you go to a neighborhood?
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  Speaker 5: It's called Emmy Award winning.
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  Speaker 2: Acting.
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  Speaker 5: That's called acting.
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  Speaker 1: A true, proficient professional.
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  Speaker 2: He did more than that, like, We became real close.
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  Speaker 2: He actually taught me how to make beef ribs. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's very important as a man. Beef rib?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the most amazing chefs. Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Eddie got him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm known in L.A.
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  Speaker 8: For my lamb chops, my ribs.
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  Speaker 3: He get down.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't feel meat in L.A.? Oh, come on, man.
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  Speaker 3: You got to do that?
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  Speaker 1: You got to do that?
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  Speaker 2: We talk about any shit.
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  Speaker 3: You doing that?
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  Speaker 2: No, but he got to see my whole family, all
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  Speaker 2: my homies, and you could just tell the way they
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  Speaker 2: would embrace him because then he would leave or walk off.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be like, hey, yo, he really from Dallas? I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he really is, bro, got it.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting, though, because Dallas has always had a connection,
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  Speaker 4: because when you think, I think of DOC, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the South and the West are kind of the same.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people from the South migrated to Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles in the 60s, I mean, my grandparents especially, so
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  Speaker 2: we all connected, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying? And I think, like, when hip-hop,
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  Speaker 3: when y'all, when New York first had Hip-hop, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm from South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. When New York first had hip-hop, they were very,
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  Speaker 3: very possessive of it, right? And because we tend to
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  Speaker 3: have southern affectations and a direct link to it or whatever, right?
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  Speaker 3: When hip-hop came to California, like, again, young people don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: They think half the people who probably listen to this
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  Speaker 3: think hip-hop comes from Atlanta as far as, like, how
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  Speaker 3: dominant that possessiveness is. the way hip hop is in
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta right now, it was in California. And when it
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  Speaker 3: came to California, and I'm not saying this as no disrespect,
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  Speaker 3: I understand why New York cats was so arrogant, right?
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  Speaker 3: But we was way more country. We was fucking with
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  Speaker 3: Jerry curls, finger waves, and perm the South and the
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  Speaker 3: Midwest could understand that. So it really, by coming to Cali,
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  Speaker 3: made hip-hop way more accessible to those of us like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, we shouted out Belly in the show
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  Speaker 3: last episode, right? But look how they portrayed the nigga
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  Speaker 3: from the Midwest in that movie, right? Rico. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, what you just said made a lot of sense,
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  Speaker 1: and I never looked at it from that perspective.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like the West Coast had a more, you
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  Speaker 4: could relate to them on a more national level. Like
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  Speaker 4: New York was more niche back then.
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  Speaker 3: Look, if you want to be real, they were straight
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  Speaker 3: up more sophisticated than us. It is, we was country
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  Speaker 3: and wild, just like the South and the Midwest. We
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  Speaker 3: were very, if you want to be real, them niggas
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  Speaker 3: was cooler than us. You know what I'm saying? Coming
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  Speaker 3: up like in the beginning. At least it felt like that.
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  Speaker 3: For creating, how about this? They did create hip hop.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying in this era, in this window. And if
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  Speaker 3: you go back before then, what they was doing in
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  Speaker 3: the world of hustlers or whatever, it was just the
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  Speaker 3: hippest place on the planet. You know what I'm saying? Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: I want to ask you something again, Peyton. What about
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  Speaker 4: black men from that era? What did you discover that
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  Speaker 4: the movies and television got wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Like, just playing this.
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  Speaker 4: Role, what did you realize, like, oh, the movies and
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  Speaker 4: TV got that wrong?
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  Speaker 8: Man, yeah, me and Malcolm talked about that a lot. Like,
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  Speaker 8: sometimes they make it a gimmick.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 8: Like, if you see a gang member, like, on there
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  Speaker 8: not knowing that, like, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Like, these are regular people.
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  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, with families and they're not
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  Speaker 8: just like, like Glasses said, there's still love there. They're
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  Speaker 8: not waking up, like, you know what I mean, opening
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  Speaker 8: their eyes and just banging on somebody.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 8: I kind of stole that from like one of my
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  Speaker 8: homies from L.A. who I used to just chill with
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  Speaker 8: all the time, one of the most respectful people that
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  Speaker 8: I know, super cool, but then like, When I be
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  Speaker 8: out there and something got active, he got active real
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  Speaker 8: quick and come back.
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  Speaker 3: My mom might even be with us.
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  Speaker 2: She'd be like, I'm sorry about that, Ms. Smith.
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  Speaker 1: And then we'd go back to regular life.
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  Speaker 8: So I wanted to show that part, you know what
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  Speaker 8: I mean, through my character.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think we talked about it.
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  Speaker 8: This might be the first time that somebody's playing a
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  Speaker 8: gang member that's not like Crip number two or Blood
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  Speaker 8: number one.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Like he's an actual person.
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  Speaker 8: And so I feel like a lot of shows and stuff,
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  Speaker 8: they might get that wrong and just show the violence
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  Speaker 8: of that. that character, you know what I mean? You
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  Speaker 8: get to see him like, matriculate through life, which, like,
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  Speaker 8: a lot of black people go through, you know, black men. And, like,
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  Speaker 8: you get to see, all right, like, who am I
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  Speaker 8: in this world without that life? Because, you know, a
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  Speaker 8: lot of black people are in survival mode. So you
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  Speaker 8: can't even begin to dream when you're in survival mode.
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  Speaker 8: And I think we, like, you see that through this character.
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  Speaker 7: What about your character and all of the loyalty and
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  Speaker 7: the family loyalty that is shown throughout the show? What
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  Speaker 7: do you think that you're getting right or teaching people
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  Speaker 7: about the loyalty that people that were in the life
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  Speaker 7: had to have as a survival tactic?
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 8: No matter what, me and Malcolm talked about that. He
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  Speaker 8: wanted me and Lamar to have a handshake at first.
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  Speaker 8: And I was like, nah, when I go to the PJs,
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  Speaker 8: I said, I want us to be at odds. Me
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  Speaker 8: and him not on the same page. because now me
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  Speaker 8: pulling up and being there for him is that loyalty,
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  Speaker 8: is that love. I don't have to just show him
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  Speaker 8: to his face, me showing up in the moment when
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  Speaker 8: he think I don't give a fuck about him.
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  Speaker 5: That's where the love is.
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  Speaker 3: Can I jump in, though? Because this is one of
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  Speaker 3: the main, it goes to something he said that I
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  Speaker 3: think is really important. Again, I'm old, right? So my
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  Speaker 3: peer group was really there, and I do think there's
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  Speaker 3: this discussion I'm seeing happening in y'all's space about the
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  Speaker 3: streets being dead and street code and all that, right?
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  Speaker 3: And I think what's very important to know is that
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  Speaker 3: what the street code really is is a code of
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  Speaker 3: character in men, right? Meaning this, if me, you, and
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  Speaker 3: her agree to go set up a rival show to Charlamagne, right,
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  Speaker 3: behind his back, if y'all were to say, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: a snitch to Charlamagne, you wouldn't do it, right? It
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  Speaker 3: goes to that level. It is a code of oppressed people.
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  Speaker 3: It is a code that we understand the country better
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  Speaker 3: than anyone else. And I think one of the main things,
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  Speaker 3: let me try and keep this short.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, one of the main things that I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I struggled with and was important to show was we
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  Speaker 3: see the snitches, we see the cowards, we see the
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  Speaker 3: people get beat up, but there really was a generation
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  Speaker 3: of black men back then who were closer to civil
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  Speaker 3: rights flipped it to a negative thing, but, like, we
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  Speaker 3: got cats around Peyton, who, like, a dude will walk
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  Speaker 3: in who just did 33 years for somebody else. If
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  Speaker 3: you go on, like, you be hearing, like, these dudes,
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  Speaker 3: these other podcasts, like, that's idiot shit, that's whatever, because
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  Speaker 3: they never seen loyalty and fellowship.
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  Speaker 5: They don't know what integrity is the word you look for.
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  Speaker 3: Back then, like, it really, I'm not saying that there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't snitches. I'm saying that Men would really do shit
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  Speaker 3: like give a gang member a pass if the circumstances
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  Speaker 3: they felt wasn't honorable. Men would not snitch. Men would
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  Speaker 3: give people fair ones to avoid the hood coming together
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  Speaker 3: in a bloody war. It was all about integrity. That's
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  Speaker 3: the word.
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  Speaker 6: Loyalty is the word that's probably abused. Integrity is what
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  Speaker 6: everybody had. What became loyalty or looks like loyalty to
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  Speaker 6: people was integrity because your reputation is everything. When you
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  Speaker 6: don't have nothing else, you know, I don't care if
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  Speaker 6: we in, Monk's Corner, I don't care if we in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 6: in any ghetto, anywhere where poor people at, your word
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  Speaker 6: becomes how you earn, your reputation becomes how you survive.
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  Speaker 6: So I feel like in that conversation, the word is
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  Speaker 6: really integrity, like how you represent yourself, especially behind somebody
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  Speaker 6: else's back.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Like the things you say, how you stand with your folks,
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  Speaker 6: that becomes your everything.
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  Speaker 5: That's how you're going to eat tomorrow.
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  Speaker 6: That's how you're going to some girl is going to
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  Speaker 6: be attracted to you. Your reputation built through integrity.
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  Speaker 4: So what happened to that integrity? What happened to that
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  Speaker 4: cold from the West? Because I feel like you got
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  Speaker 4: a whole era of people from the 90s all on
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  Speaker 4: podcasts and YouTube now just doing the craziest.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's going to have an answer on this one. Let
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: our savant go first.
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  Speaker 7: Glass is about to go vibrant.
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  Speaker 5: Look at you.
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  Speaker 1: You already done.
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  Speaker 5: Look, Lauren, she just, look.
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  Speaker 6: America is doing a better job with black people. They
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  Speaker 6: have more opportunities. They're able to get more black people.
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  Speaker 6: Don't have to see. It's a bunch of OJs, a
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  Speaker 6: bunch of OJ Simpson. A lot of people don't even identify.
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  Speaker 6: You see it online. People be like, it's a difference
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  Speaker 6: between black folks and niggas. That's because somewhere along the line,
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  Speaker 6: this nationalist movement that has affected black people, they feel
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  Speaker 6: like they have more opportunities. So they don't, connecting to
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  Speaker 6: the soul of black people. They don't connect into black consciousness,
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  Speaker 6: black conscience.
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  Speaker 5: It's about me.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 6: I see a lot of people that's like me. And
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  Speaker 6: that's also why hip hop is struggling. Hip hop is
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  Speaker 6: the movement of us. And now everybody was like, well,
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: it's just me.
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, and I think that's where we see
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: people just talking from the space of me. They don't
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: feel like they have to represent Spellman or problem.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: They like, Oh, it's just me.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: So I just, I think I, me personally, I, I
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: think people understand there's a lot of cameras around, so
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: it's a lack of consequence. People are kind of using
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: these cameras as security. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: you ever been somewhere and shit about to go down,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: and the homie that used to be like, all right,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: what we about to do, he doing this now?
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's this play?
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: And then don't let the actual criminal or the actual
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: murderer get in front of the camera. He dares you
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: to do something to him if you talk shit about him.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying? It's a real funny time.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: For me, I'm like the in-between part. I lived before
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: the internet, and now I'm living through the internet. And
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of people like, oh, it's
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: cool over there? It's cool over there? All right, let's
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: jump in.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Let's jump in.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: And they get on there, and then a lot of
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: people aren't even used to microphones and cameras, and they
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: just forget that they're on it, and they just start talking.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: They just start talking.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: Especially when culture is at its most value.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Right, because now, going viral is more important than integrity.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: And I want to build on some glasses of saying,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like one of the worst things about crack
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: is that the black existence in this country was a
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: collective existence. It was us against the system from the
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: moment them ships got here through Jim Crow, right? Through
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: civil rights. Everything that we do was about us and
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: our fight was about us. When crack hits, the fight
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: becomes about me against the system and they create, and it,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: and it comes with a, with a language, with a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: dress code, with an entire culture. And I think, It
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: is a combination of crack severing us from the collective
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: journey into an individual journey combined with what Glasses is
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: saying is, motherfuckers don't believe us. None of y'all are 50, right?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm two years and 50.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we've seen in America back then doesn't
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: seem believable now. As America got more corporate, and I'm
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: going to say softer in a good way, and you
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: combine individualism instead of collectivism with what Glasses is saying,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: which is things are a little bit easier now. They
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: don't mean all these young niggas ain't the toughest nigga
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: in the world. They can be as tough as they
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: want to be. The circumstances aren't there. In America, like
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: when you, I'm rewatching Hill Street Blues, and what's really
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: surprising to me is that in that show, for the
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: whole run of the show, the police are terrified to
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: get out the car. And that ain't even the topic
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: of the show. It's just understood that in a big city,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: if you was a cop, you can't be walking around
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: too long or you gonna get killed. So I think
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: the circumstances and the black identity became much more individualized
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and you people find it hard to believe that like
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: we would sacrifice for us. 30 years ago. Yeah.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Not even that long. 30 years ago. It's like I'm
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: a relic, bro.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Sometimes when I talk, I noticed that people will be like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: what was happening with the little streamer dude when he
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: was disrespecting that sister out loud, and I'm on him.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: People just thought it was so crazy that I was
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: willing to go to jail for that.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: And I just couldn't understand.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: That's required where you come from, though.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, that's just normal.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, you go do a little time, you
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: got a punch on this dude for that. But especially
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: for something like such a noble thing. Like, it's less
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: when you do it for your friend, your homeboy that
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: grew up, who might have even had it coming. But
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: let alone for some sister, you know what I mean,
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: that's just on the internet. singing some songs or whatever.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: It don't matter what system it was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Go back to what Problem said. Being that there's so
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: many cameras around, nobody's used to consequences.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Gee, what you talking about? You talking about discipline? You
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: talking about giving somebody consequences?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: But we was talking about this in our group chats.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: Shout out to the homies from the community, Pun, AD,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: and Manny. But consequence create reality. So a lot of
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: people right now feel like there's no consequence. And they're
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: talking crazy because there is no consequence. But I come
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: from a time where issuing out consequence or receiving consequence
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: is cool. So even though cameras is on for me,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: it's good money.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: It's like so what?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just going to get a show.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now you just going to.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It's just going to be on camera when we whoop
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: your ass for what you just said.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to be, though.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I think so, too.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I think it needs to be because that's how people
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: will learn. That's how this generation will learn.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like when that happened, bro, it felt good for
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: that young dude to shut up afterwards.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: That means it worked. That means there was an effect.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Something happened.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: Can we say what y'all are talking about?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: I know, but I just want to know if y'all.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Want to say it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, what's the little white nigga? Aiden Ross?
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, with Dochi.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He spoke on Dochi. Dochi is connected to a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: real family of mine.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: PD.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And once he gets to talking about another family member,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're in. So for us to stand together
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: and say, no, we're not going for that because we
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: know the effect. You got to squash an ant before
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it turns to an elephant. If that young boy was
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: able to get... away with that, next it's going to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: be on her. Then it's going to be on her.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be a bunch of 80,000 little
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: white niggas thinking they can just talk crazy to black
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: women in power. And we're not going for that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: But my thing is, even like that would, say you
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: don't say nothing, that would happen. And because he is
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: who he is and the platform is so big, you
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: got people that look like me and men that look
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: like me That's going to still go on that stream.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: That's the end of it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: I'm saying like black men will still go and stream
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: with Aiden Ross, even though he just dragged the hell
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: out of Dolce when it's like, it's supposed to be like, nah, what?
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: Like we're not having it. And I think outside of
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: it being cameras are here and people want platform, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: think the way that they look at and value themselves
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: and the black women, that has completely changed as well too.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: Because people be saying whatever they want and it'd be like, oh,
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: but he 100 million followers up, so... It's cool. We'll
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: invite him to the next event. We're just going to
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: take a little break. It shouldn't feel like that. Doshi
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: should be able to know, like, no, my people got me.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: And we shouldn't.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Feel bad to feel like that. We shouldn't feel like
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: we're a bother to y'all because we want him to know, like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: who you talking to?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Straight up.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: Well, again, if you see it as an individual thing,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: if you see blackness, like, what's blackness without the combination
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: of people?
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: I was talking to Spellman about this.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Like, a lot of shows I'm watching on television, It's
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: like it's black shows without soul. And that means soul
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: just means a collective black conscience. So everybody's just thinking
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: for themselves.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: So you're watching people like, man, it's just about me.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Social media does a great job. Like now we all
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: have our platforms. When we create, like we're in a
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: space now where I have to make something that's valuable
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: to you. I can't just make something that's like proficient
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: art that you enjoy. I have to think from a
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: marketing perspective, how does your platform benefit by sharing this?
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: That became something I realized back in 2019 where I
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: was like, damn, like, we're in a space now where
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: I have to be mindful of who's sharing this.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Can they get engagement? Because everybody's themselves.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: So that doesn't just, you know, carry out through social media,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: but it carries out in real life.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Can I add some real quick to this topic, though?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: There's a snapshot of how to do it right, I think, right?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: If you look at TDE, the label, right? Look how
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Top carries himself. Ain't none of the motherfuckers had no
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: major scandals up there. They not beating people up after shows.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: They not saying disrespectful shit. All of them are from
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: real hoods. All of them are real people from real
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: hoods that I can't go to.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: And yet they behave like gentlemen because the structure from
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the top is the shit we're talking about. And you
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: know that they not allowing people to talk about their
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: sisters like that. And it ain't even on no fighting shit.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It's like TDE ain't going to fuck with you if
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: you start talking shit about they people. If we can
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: start to just do that basic thing, it is hell
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: of empowering and it starts to bring back our soul
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and our coolness. It's going to revive everything.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It's really crazy, too, because, like, just to add on
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to that, mine should be a lot simpler. It's like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I look at especially younger black women. You know, I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: have six kids. I have five daughters.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: But I like to.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I got four daughters, so I know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: That's my man.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: All them mamas didn't want to get up. It could
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: be one of them two. It could be one of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: them two.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: It could be a combination.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Or a combination.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But I will always treat people how I want them
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to treat my daughter if they was in that situation.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And I know for sure, I look at Top, that's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: one of his babies that he's putting out into the world.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I know for certain because it's happened that if something
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: happened with my daughter's, I get a call that it
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: got handled. And I really roll on the very simple
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: part of it. Then once we get to breaking it down,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it definitely gets long-winded. But for me, it's like, man,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: if that was my daughter, I would want somebody to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: say something that's even in that space. So we quick
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to do that. It's really like, man, we need to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: get back to the basics.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And you just don't like to see a white person
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: talking like that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: That's basic.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: When did we get so popular hungry? Oh, well, he's popular,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: so we might not say nothing.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: It's the subs, the followers, the brand deals. People want
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: proximity to what they think is success, and he's been
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: able to be successful. And it's not just about him.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: This is one example of things that happen all the time.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Any black woman online can tell you, it goes crazy often.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: But there's a lot of people in this space and
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: all of them are not white. There are some black
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: men that will get on their microphones and drag black
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: women as well too. But I think that people want
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: this success so bad. Whatever and however is how they coming.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: I've been telling Charlamagne for years. That's what I felt
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: about Lil Nas X. I think people will.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Go all the way. Uh-oh.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: No, I'm saying.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Lil Nas X is cosplaying.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: There are people that think that, but I think he's
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: actually just saying.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I would bet everything.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: I know. I'm telling you, he's gay-facing. I call it gay-facing.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: He said gay-facing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Lil Nas, I don't think he's gay-facing.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I want to say I like that Agin Ross has
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: calmed down tremendously since our exchange. And that's what I'm
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: But they need to be cut off. This shit is gross.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: There used to be a time where someone like Clarence
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Avant would be like, if you don't do this, you
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: won't work with no black people. That lended him a
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: tremendous amount of power, which meant even in rooms with
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: like Steven Spielberg and people like that, you had to
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: listen to him because black folk, it's not like we
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: didn't betray each other or whatever. but we was more
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: on one accord. The Aiden Ross thing is a very
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: clear example of where we're getting nothing and giving up everything.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Them niggas is dorks, dude. They don't have any leg
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: to stand on as far as coolness and culture. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: yet we sell our shit to them. And it's a
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: thing that it's such a precious jewel. Like these niggas
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: be cool in a motherfucker and don't even know you're
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: giving that to them, bro. You know what I'm saying?
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: I tell people all the time.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Cut them off.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Cut them off.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: The true value of this.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: Culture, we grew up in this street urban culture, especially
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: is so valuable, but it's up to us to convert
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: it into business. And the people who are spending like
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: right in front of you, are going to be people
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: that probably... They know how valuable it is, but they
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: also going to treat you the worst.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: You're going to get the people that's going to interview
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: you that understand what this does for their platform. There's
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: tons of people that get what this does for their platform.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of people.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: There's tons.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: DJ Vlad, Adam, different people understand the value of street
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: urban culture. And at the end of the day, most
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: people just... Like, they don't know how to... They don't
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: know how to make their own business from it. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: here are the people right now that's buying. Here's the
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: platform that's buying. We tie into it and we do it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: So a lot of the folks, a lot of people
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: from where we're from are in tough positions because they're
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: trying to change their life. I watch a lot of people.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: What's on me from 60?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: That's Brick. Brick Baby.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: That's a tough position to be in. Same for 4Xtra.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Same for all of them. They're trying to actively change
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: their life. They're trying to actively be there for their kids.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: They're trying to really take their experience right and turn
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: it into a value to where they have you know
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: like something to to support their children with their family
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: with and so the person that's.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Buying you know is a different you know i mean it's.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Wild so if they don't know how to turn it
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: into their own business if none of us figured out
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: how to turn it into a business that we can
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: individualize then you know you know they they become a
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: subject to somebody that you know however they want to
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: monetize it however they want to treat them in that space.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Malcolm, you was talking about the crack era, right?
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And we know the crack era ruined communities, but out
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: of those same neighborhoods came hip-hop, right? One of the
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: greatest cultural movements America's ever produced. How connected are those
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: two stories?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: It's, to me, unfortunately or fortunately, they are inextractable from
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: each other. Like, I think because hip-hop was still in
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: a stage of growth... Mm-hmm. crack is as much a
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: part of hip hop as even the pillars, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: saying when it first started. And again, crack was all
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: encompassing in a way it wasn't no other conversation. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: so what crack did was by, by coming to the
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: West coast, it took over and dominated the culture. A
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: lot of it, I'd say 80 to 90% of it
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: at the hands of the new white record execs. I'm
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: not on, hotep shit like this this is fact right
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: um what we're seeing from being in a room with
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: these people is that if you have white execs buying
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: our music back then and this phenomenon is coming on
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: it is a fact you see in the internet controversy
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and negativity are an easier way to market than positivity
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: thoughtfulness and excellence right and it was bad so it
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: was easy for the music business to manufacture gangsters they
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: cannot manufacture gangsters Q-tip, they cannot manufacture, they can't manufacture
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: ice cream, right? But they can, they can't manufacture, they
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: can manufacture to subpar people, right? And if you can
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: create that business, you control the business, right? You don't,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: you aren't subject to Kendrick telling you, I don't want
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: to do this and that, if you can put out
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a middle, like if 10 Lulz.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: 10 Lulz equal.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: One Kendrick, they want the 10 Lulz, you know what
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I'm saying? And so when crack came along, it gave
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: an obscenity and a pornography for them to exploit much
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: easier and whether or not it was a agenda beyond
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that or just a financial agenda they destroyed the motherfucking
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: culture going for the easy.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: Luck and if you think like I said hip hop
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: being a thing from 69 all the way it has
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: the same trajectory as crack. As cracks grow for the neighborhood,
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: that's when hip-hop starts to take off. So you understand
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: the money has to be a part of financing it, not.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Just the suits.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: But if hip-hop is a thing from 69 all the
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: way to 82, 83, right? Curtis Blow's deal is in
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: 80 or 81. Fatboy's deal is around the same time.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Run DMC's deal is 83. So the trajectory of hip-hop
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: becoming like a viable thing to the corporations is at
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: the same time crack is becoming... a thing for us
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: in the neighborhoods. We talking about 83, 84. LL Cool J,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: here comes LL Cool J, right?
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Radio, right?
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: It started to do the thing. Run DMC, here it is, 83, 84.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Crack is doing the same thing. You get these huge
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: crack dealers at the same time. So I feel like
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: they're at the same thing. Crack money had to be
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: a big part of what was financing hip-hop to even
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: position it to be a viable option for the corporation.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So does the drop look at rap?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: As an escape from the streets or just another version
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: of the streets with contracts?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: We're not doing none of that shit. We're not, man.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: What's been beautiful about the way we've been embraced is
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: people got to understand how hard of a fight it
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: was just to believe. It's not like anyone is saying
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: we want to put out negative imagery. What they're saying
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: is the same thing the record exec said, which is
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: we know we can make money With gunplay. We know that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: We don't know about the other shit. So no, we
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: not doing none of that. It is basically, again, because
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I came up with cats who was there for all
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: this shit and have surrounded myself with cats who have
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: done all this shit. It is the human story of
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: what it looked like to make it happen. I feel
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: like young people might appreciate the art form more if
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: they start to see like, There's scenes where Buddy is
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: just writing, right? Motherfuckers don't even know rappers used to
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: write their songs first. First of all, they used to
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: write them, but you would write it before you heard
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the beat, and then you would need the right beat
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: to match what you've done You know what I'm saying?
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: We ain't doing none of this. Yeah, we doing the
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: human story.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're saying, too. It is similar
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to that in even creating the show. And I saw,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: shout out to the fan I saw on Twitter that said, oh, man,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: we didn't have four episodes and nobody's died. That's cool.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: That was one of the flyest tweets I fucking saw yesterday.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, people was worried because that was the thought. Like,
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: look how good John Wick is doing. That's how I
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: always look at it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: How can you argue... when John Wick got so superior.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: And then somebody's like, hey, you know, people don't got
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: to die.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, but it's so much easier if
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: people die.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: That was crazy for me. Like, out of everything I saw,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: we got a lot of viral moments, number one. Congratulations.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, congratulations.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: All these things. When I saw that one gentleman say, wow,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: this is so dope. Four episodes. Nobody's dead.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Nobody has died.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I said, damn. He caught that because that was a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: big deal.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That was a big deal for him in making this
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: show is that we don't have to celebrate black death
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: all the time. And then with these characters... even if
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: you may feel the danger, you'll hear a shot. We
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: don't even have to actually show it. And if we,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we do what we do, we're not
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: going to make this show about that because he says
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: this all the time.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: If everybody's getting shot every day, well, why are we here? Right.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I love that when he said that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: That's not the reality. That's not the reality that it
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't like that. So the fact that whoever that was, man,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: shout out to you. That shit like really, it was
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: a good thing.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: But you know, it's hip hop, so.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Man, some shit gonna happen.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Six, seven seasons, man. Yeah, we not hiding from it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: We just doing the real version.
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: Understanding the parallel, though, hearing you talk about the parallel
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: between music and the crack epidemic, it makes sense, like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: even watching Wanda's character get into her music background. So
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: is that always the plan to use her and Isaiah as, like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: a catalyst into that parallel?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: For two reasons. Number one, like, again... we are looking
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: for conflict when you create a show. A woman in
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the space of hip-hop and a woman in the space
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: of the streets. Both have their own culture. That is
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of conflict. And remember, this is a time
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: when O.J. could beat up his chick and send her
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: to the police station with two black eyes and be fine, right?
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: And white people was doing that shit too. Like, there's
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe movies where they're joking about their husbands beating
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: their ass. It just... for women back then, you were
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: not expected to have no fucking protection. Add to that
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: the fact that a great love story, like for me,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: the spine of everything single season will be will Leon
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: or won't Leon and Wanda get together. And a black
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: love story that's that epic, I think is going to
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: be very, very rewarding for people. So yeah, it was
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Wanda was the obvious choice just for good storytelling.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Queen Bey. The biggest Bey.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: The biggest Bey.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: The comic.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Another premise I like is Wanda thinks West Coast rap
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: can change American culture before America even knows it. How
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: crazy did somebody sound in the 90s saying rap was
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: going to be that powerful? And I'm not even just
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: talking about on a positive aspect. I'm talking about even
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: the people like C. Dolores Tucker and all the elders
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: that were saying, yo, this shit is going to fuck
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: up communities.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Man, them dark times, she said. She said she used
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to be in them dark times, and when she was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: healing up and getting over her addiction, she would just
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: listen to music. So sometimes that shit will just hit you.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: And to add something, what I think is important as
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: well is we all grew up with somebody, you old.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Enough, I'm old enough, you old enough, you old enough.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: All y'all niggas is young enough.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: But we remember people that was on crack. That was
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: a thing that I can remember exactly because I used
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: to hustle. But I also remember the person that got
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: their life together. They're living good right now. that's not
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: one story I seen about, I haven't seen that on Hollywood.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: So that watch Wanda pursue her dreams and people kind of,
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: I'm watching people on Twitter or on Instagram, like, oh man,
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: you know, she, you know, she, she gonna smoke or
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: he's still referencing her as, crackhead and i'm like bro
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: there was a season of snowfall where she had already
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: got off crack.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: But talk about that though why they won't let her
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: move away from that because i i do have family
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: members that i know have gotten better moved did all
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: the stuff but a part of them still moves with
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: this like i know that you know what my past
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: used to be because the world does that to them
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: and you see it in the show that's.
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: A huge thing on the show it's like it's like
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: somebody talked about uh labels You know what I mean?
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: Like the labels of like James, the labels Wanda has,
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: the labels Lamar have.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying?
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Like it's like black people, like whatever reason we not allowed.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: To like, break those labels. You know, we can only
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: be one thing.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: We are how you meet us.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: If you see a problem, like he a rapper, or
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: he just a rapper.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: He won't even call me Jason Martin no more. I
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: can't even come in here.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: And grow up.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: At least we having it right now.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I've never done crack, so that just lets you know.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Where we at with this shit.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: I just feel like that part of our story is
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: never told, so that's something personal to me because I
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: know Wanda.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I know that person in real life. I know, rest
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: in peace to.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: My homeboy Black Jack, Big Ron, you know what I mean,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: my homeboy dad. Like he got his life together. He
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: had a low rider. He was living good. He just
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: passed away from health, but he was 77 years old
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: and we don't see that story. So watching the internet,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: the social media kind of be like, wait a minute,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: but she, you know, Because they don't know.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Remember, they're young, too, so they like, man, I heard
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: about crack. There's no way you could get off crack.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: A crack was just, you don't know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Some of our favorite rappers were functioning crack addicts.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Yep, definitely.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Battled lifelong addiction up until today.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: DMX, man, like, that's the, but no, I'm not saying,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: but like he said, he's great, though. That nigga is great. Like,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: there's no nothing small about him, bro.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: That's right. I think, and another thing, though, Charlamagne, that
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: you said that I hope these youngsters understand is, like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the labels really was not fucking with us. Hip-hop really
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: was an outcast music. They was trying to shut it
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: down because they knew it could do something. And they thought,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: for real, grunge was going to be the next, next movement.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And when we get to 2026 and it feels like
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: expected that hip-hop will always be here or always be relevant,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: understand it can fade into obscurity. You know what I'm saying?
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: It could become jazz. It could become jazz.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: It's inevitable. It could be jazz, right? R & B.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: We debate about that a lot because jazz didn't.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Have culture globally the way hip-hop does.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that doesn't change. Somebody said something really brilliant
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: to me the other day. Like, This is another thing
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: that black people have created that has became the thing
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: that everybody celebrates, but we move artistically on. We start
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: to express ourselves in more unique ways. Jazz still exists today.
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: It's just not what it once was. Blue still exists today.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: It's not just what it once was. R & B,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: right now the biggest R & B stars is like
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: a Justin Bieber.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Like, in which world?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Adele.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Like, they're moving... R &
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: B singers in the neo-soul.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: But then you still got Chris Brown and Usher selling
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: out arenas all over the world.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Think about it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Then you got sub-genres like Masego.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: But think about it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: Chris Brown and Usher been around for 30 years or
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: 20 years.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And R & B ain't thriving. It's not like it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: thriving like it had before.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: It's thriving.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying like this.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: R & B used to be Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: It had eras where it was bigger. It had eras
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: where it was damn near number one.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Where it was the biggest, like the biggest genre.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, think of who I just named. Earth, Wind & Fire,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder. They was all out at the same time.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: It went from race charts, right? That's where you put
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: all black music on the race charts. to the black charts,
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: to R & B. It wasn't even defined as a music.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: It was the name of a chart that was only
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: black people. Now anybody is in that chart. Like I said,
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: so I don't have a fear about hip-hop.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: I'm grateful.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: I grew up at a time where I had representation.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: I don't give a damn if it was from New
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: York City, from New Orleans, from Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: I had representation in the Bay Area. I had people
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: that understood my struggles. and voiced it to the world.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Too Short to Ghetto, I had them voice it to
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: the world. E-40, Snoop, Jay-Z being a D-boy, they voiced
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: my struggle to the world. I don't know if this
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: next generation is going to quite have that. So I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: not tripping, but I do see the issue. I do
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: see what probably is happening. I'm watching the labels right
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: now go against hip-hop. They like, nah, we finna move
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: to this country thing.
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: Because a lot of labels are saying it's not making money.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: That's cap.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Why do we keep saying that when hip-hop is the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: number one most screamed genre in America?
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: I'm just telling you what I know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And number two in the world.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: People who are losing jobs at labels that are asking
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: questions and that work there, where their budgets are frozen,
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: they can't do nothing for their hip-hop artists, they're being
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: told that they're prioritizing where their money.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Is coming from.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's because of... It's always been this way,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: but I think it's because of the subsidiary labels, right?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: The subsidiary labels.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Don't need the majors anymore.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Does TDE really need an endoscope at this point? And
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: it would have came to a point where Def Ro
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have needed an endoscope.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: It's just distribution. All we need is your market share
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: on the DSPs.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: The tricky part is, right, is, again, this is a
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: deeper conversation. This goes into something you always talk to
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: me about. The president matters. That's what's determining what's happening.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Like I said, a different time now. Look at the country.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: The country is moving to NASCAR. The country is moving
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: to country.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Because look at the current climate of the country.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're moving to Jim Crow shit.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: Don't nobody want to hear nobody talking shit about what
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: the country is doing when everybody is kind of favoring
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: the country.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: This is what is motherfucking crazy to me as an
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: old ass man. The opportunity right now for hip hop
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: To be loud.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Is right there.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: It's right there. Talk about what's happening to us. Talk
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: about who's in the White House. Have an opinion on
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: something other than materialism and shit.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: It's too high, man.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: But then I think you're right.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: That it does go the way of jazz. They don't
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: even got real opium.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. See, I always have a funny thing
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: with this conversation like where hip-hop is because In my mind,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's just gotten so big that it's just
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: not simply a song anymore. We're all here celebrating a
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: hip-hop show.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Powers hip-hop.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It's made it to FX, to where they're telling a
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: story about the beginning of West Coast rap. I think
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: this is like it's now. And I think that I know.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: We're going to- I'm not mad at that.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to spawn into, hopefully- Somebody does the beginning
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: of East Coast rapping and somebody does the beginning of
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Southern rapping. We have so much girth now with the story.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not mad at that. We are spawning out of
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: Justin's record.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: You got it. I don't play Paul. I don't play Paul.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: Let me tell you why I.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Don't play Paul. I'm just saying because he knows me.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: I don't play Paul.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think about dicks when I talk.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I don't be worried about what I'm saying.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Pause.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about a dick when I speak, so
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just speaking. You know what I'm saying?
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Apologies, guys.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: That's a good point, though.
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: That he don't think about dicks?
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: No, definitely. That's a great point. Because I don't be
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: thinking about dicks.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm not thinking about dicks.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Pause.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Why does when I say something, my dick pops in
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: your head?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: How would you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Talk to all the brothers from East Coast?
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Why are y'all thinking about me? No, but the girl did.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: See?
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: You got to give that to anybody.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. That's the problem.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: And if I'm now. We can't be family anymore. Yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: I can think about it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: But when you said girl, I was like.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: If I say, man, fuck you guys, just pause.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: What?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Like, that's crazy.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: But you said there's so much girth.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I'm with you.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I get what he did.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Both hands up. I can't say shit.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: We've risen, so I can't say nothing.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It's like, God damn.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: Go ahead.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Problem is right. Like, it is no longer just... So,
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: hip-hop in its inception, right, is movement, graffiti on the wall,
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: feel me? Movement on the streets, graffiti on the wall,
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: you know, a DJ entertaining people, you know, a certain
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: level of knowledge and things you retain about the collective consciousness, right?
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: These are all of the things. Now, look at somebody
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: like 50, what he's doing with power. That shit is hip-hop.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: That's hip-hop.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: You know, you start looking at everything, everybody that we
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: are taking it into different, you know.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: Different outlets that's outside of just a three or four
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: minute record.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Snoop.
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: He's alive working on his biopic right now.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Let me say this though. I don't think that that's
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: remarkable if we're talking about the culture, it's value, it's ours.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I think one of the things that made hip hop
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: and this journey a little more painful for us is
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: that we held onto it longer than we did in
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: the other genres of music. And so when it started
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: to drift away from us, I think a lot of
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: us don't know what it was like when we controlled it. Like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that there wasn't any instances of an
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Adam 22 or an Academics back in the old hip-hop.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: It would not have been allowed, though. It just... Before
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: they bought out the labels, back when Russell owned Def Jam.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: That's not true, though!
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Hold on, let me say this. I'm talking about before
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the corporations came in. What era would you say... There
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: was a dominant anti-hip-hop voice when we controlled the music.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: The funny part is, I don't know if I would
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: call them anti-hip-hop.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: They're anti-hip-hop, bro.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I just think that there's a lot.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Of things that have spawned from hip-hop that you may
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: like and you may not like.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: But the root, the foundation of it is still hip-hop.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: It's anti-hip-hop.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I agree with Glasses.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I agree with Glasses. Who?
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Every last person that will be in question is anti-hip-hop.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I agree 100%.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So was Wendy Williams anti-hip-hop?
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: We didn't name her. We didn't name her.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Let's don't do the whataboutism because we'll get lost in that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: But we've always had those type of people.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: But Wendy's whole thing is blackness, not hip-hop.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: No.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: It's all black people that wouldn't agree with that.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Hold on.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: Wendy is not white. Y'all feel like hip-hop made Wendy?
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Wendy has to deal with black people in her family
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: when she gets done doing something. And we know that inherently, right?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Whatever Wendy might have done, when she goes home, some
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: black people gonna say that was right or wrong or whatever, right?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: But what Glasses said is true. Glasses said Wendy was
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: made from hip-hop. All those individuals we named were made
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: from hip-hop. The only difference is to what you just said, Malcolm,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: is that people got to deal with consequences.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Hold up. No, no.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: This is where it get tricky.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: This is deep. This is deep.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: It's a thing, right? Because it's the culture that inspires
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: the art. I think some of these people are made
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: by the culture itself, not the art itself. You get
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying? Like, it's one thing if you have
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: to talk to the artist. It's another thing, let's say, like,
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: who's covering the actual things that's inspiring the movement, right?
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: So I don't think he was made by hip-hop as
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: much as he was made by the tragedy in Chicago.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I disagree.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: But listen, sadly, art reflects life. So if those guys
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: were rapping about what was happening in the streets of
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Chicago and Ack was covering it, that's.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: What helps them grow.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: You may not like it, but it's true. It's not true,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you guys.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: But it's close.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I got you. I got you.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I got you. Chill. I got you. Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: It's one thing if I'm talking to you about being
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: a crip.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: You talking to me about being a crip is not
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: you talking about hip-hop. You talking about my song about
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: being a crip is hip-hop.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He was talking about music.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: No, he was talking about the complete war in Chirac.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: There was no music.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: That they were having a war, not just in the streets,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: but also in their music.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Do you believe this for real? Or are you doing
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: devil's advocate?
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Because it's that close.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: We heard him bragging about killing certain artists in the music.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: No, that's later.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: In its inception, He's following the people talking about the drama,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: not just the art. He does have a, let's say somebody,
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: because I hate to single him out, but I'm saying
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: he's talking about the actual war self and here is
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: some art coming from the war, but it's.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: The war itself.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Let's be real. He turned it into WWE in an
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: exploitive manner. That's very different than covering it. Watching like
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Kev Mack or Alex Alonso, they cover street content. Giving
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: people nicknames saying, oh shit, did you hear this person killed?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: One thing that was happening was Chicago had an inside
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: culture and them kids who were children, children at war, didn't...
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: not know because there had never been a voice that
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: exploited the obscene shit that they was going through. It
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: did not exist. Here comes academic creating a WWE component
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to murder in a way that now all these motherfuckers,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Adam and all of them, It is exploitive. It was
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: not covering it. It was from the very, very beginning,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: a negative view. If he had gone in there saying,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: like what Glass has said, man, go in there and
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: interview them niggas' mamas.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: It looks different.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And then it's a whole different thing. Like, imagine what
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: they're doing.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: No, no, he's not.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: They're interviewing people's mothers, and I don't like seeing them.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: We're talking about what made them mad.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: That shit horrible.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: The timeline is this.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Chicago has murders, and they have a secret code that
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: the rest of the country really don't know about yet
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: because the internet is just starting to become ubiquitous, right?
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Which is these niggas is talking about real murders. and
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: real beef. Academics doesn't report on that. He says, ooh,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to call you the Grim Reaper. Hey, y'all
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: might have missed this, but these two niggas over here,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: and he celebrates it and turns it into WWE. Whether
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: it evolved into something else, you cannot say that they
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: were contributing or interested in, or a part of the culture.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Can we take a step back to whether we like
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: what act does or not?
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: I totally enjoy this content.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: We cannot act like the artists weren't putting it in
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: the music for him to comment on.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: But that's not where you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: You just said it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Charlamagne. The children are reaping... Let me
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: just land the plane. The children who are battling for
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: their lives and rapping about it and dying about it
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: have a right to rap about that. And a person
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: who thinks that they have an opinion on this culture,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: like academics, has a right to report on that. You
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: do not have a right to exploit it. especially if
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: you haven't chipped in yet, right?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: It's impossible not to exploit. That's not true, Charlamagne.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: If you're getting on a platform and your content is
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: being monetized, you're.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Exploiting what you're talking about.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: At that point, you're taking away any responsibility for anybody
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: or in any... It's just not true.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So where does the responsibility start? What you're saying is factually...
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I just want to say this before I shut up.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: That is not true. It is not automatically exploitive. And
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: that's just not fact or true. But I'm going to
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: step out.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: So where does the responsibility start? With the artist or
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: the person commentating on the artist?
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: Hold on, but listen.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: The thing, so in that particular situation, right, they're also
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: posting about it on their social media.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. They're dying to though.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: No, I'm saying.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: They're dealing with the responsibility.
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: So covering somebody's social media is not necessarily hip hop.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: That's just news. So, again, you have to be a
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: part of hip-hop, right?
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: KRS-One said the illest shit in the world, and it
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: vindicates me in a lot of thoughts when people think
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: I'm crazy. A true MC can walk through his neighborhood.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: Like a true any true hip hop artist can walk
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: through the thing that they're talking about.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Yep. Too short. Go anywhere you want.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: So if you cannot.
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: And I was just I had this thing where I
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: was listening to AK AK was talking shit about me,
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: not necessarily disrespecting me, but just challenging my position on
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying about hip hop.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: And he felt like, you know, he was successful.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: The producer thing.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Producer thing.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: The guy that worked with Drake or whatever. No, we
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: don't got to get, go ahead.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: No, it's all good.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: It's all good.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: But obviously because people, from when we had our first
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: conversation in 2019 about what's hip hop and what's not.
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: So they're challenging my position. They're like, man, Glasses, what
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: makes you that? You know, you was signing cash money.
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: You didn't have, you're not Drake, you're not Lil Wayne.
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: And it's like, that's not.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: What gives you authority in the space. And they couldn't understand, right?
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: So you have to be of people to.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Be hip hop.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: Culture only comes from being of people. So, like, when
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: I'm arguing with him or when I'm giving, because I
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: look at him as a little brother that's just misguided. Like, bro,
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: you don't know what you're talking about. And I get
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: it because you making a couple dollars. You got to
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: be able to walk first where these people walk at
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: to even have this conversation. So, to be hip-hop, you
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: have to be of the people. And the greatest argument to,
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: excuse me, the greatest reinforcement of what Spellman's saying is,
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: it's a resistance to walk amongst the people because you're
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: not hip-hop. It's the reason why when he's, man, or
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: he's talking, he's like, well, you know, when the judge
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: said his name, I've never even been to Chicago. How
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: the fuck are you a millionaire from Chicago street urban
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: culture and you've never been there? That means you're not
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: of culture.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: You know what I think, man?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: That's so.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of popular fans that are now
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: controlling the narrative. And that's the fucking problem.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: People are fans. The way that the internet is set up,
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: that's how it's going to be. And I think that's
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: why the conversation y'all were having about the show, about
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: teaching people the cloth that certain people were cut from.
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: You can't really teach that, but you can try. Because
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: the internet has made it where that's always going to
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: be a thing. You just hope that those people get
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: up under... the right mentors that'll be like, but let
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: me bring you back down to the people.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Hip-hop is a quilt.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Regardless of whether y'all don't want it to be a quilt.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: But it's a quilt of people.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing, though.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing, though. He's right, though.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: It is a quilt of people. So if you're not
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: of the people, you are not of hip-hop.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: You gotta be.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Of the people.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: But again, to bring it back to what we hear,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: that's why this show.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Jason. I forgot we had a show. And
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: we all love back-and-comics. I don't even know what it is.
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: This is what is a part of your production team,
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: your writers room, all this stuff.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Can I holler at you for five minutes after this?
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Not on the air, because I'm not qualified, but I
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: do foundationally disagree. I think we do have a problem
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: saying but this or but that and not really honoring.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: If I was to say you write And the difference
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: between you and academics is this, like watching you come
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: up and how much you've changed, right? There was like,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: there were interviews you had, I believe, that after the interview,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: your circle of black folk who are from hip hop
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: was like, yo, Charlamagne. That was harsh. That nigga hangs
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: out with Aiden Ross and them. There is nothing there.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: He's of people.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: To G's point, I'm of the people. That's why you're
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: where you're at now. But do you understand the difference?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: That is hip-hop. I understand the difference. I just think
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in 2026, you're going to have a fan of hip-hop
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that is controlling narrative.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: And you hope that they get with somebody like a
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: Charlamagne or Glasses who can be that person because you
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: understand the world they live in, but you also come
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: from this cloth of the people. That's just where the
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: world is. I don't know if you can change that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: You criticize it. Part of gatekeeping is, man, when Hammer
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: came out, and Hammer is a goat to me, right?
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Hammer had to be challenged immediately by hip hop.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, hold up, bro, you just used me
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: to get this money.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: But then you know what people realized? He was all
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the people.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: He was hammered shows up.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And they embraced him. The people that hated him embraced him, right?
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Just because someone's making money. Don't mean that they're part
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: of it, should be part of it, or deserve the same.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: If that dude went on the opposite journey, of Charlamagne,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: proving Glass's point that if he was really of it,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: he would have grown just like Meek and all the
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: other guys do. They all grow because they're from it.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And I really think we
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: got to start delineating that just because people can make
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: money and get streams and have a power in hip hop,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: it don't make them the thing.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: I think the hammer point is a great point. I'm
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: going to tell you why I think the hammer point
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: is a great point. When Hammer first came out, hip-hop
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: was not embracing of his music. Even though he was
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: selling millions of records, he was the biggest thing. And
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: it wasn't until you met him on a different level
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: and realized, oh, he ain't really a street dude from Oakland.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: He'll beat your ass. That's when you started having respect
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: for him. But why couldn't we have respect for his
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: music in that moment as well?
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: But it happened organically. Hammer was not hip-hop.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: The story... Sorry.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: No, you just bumped into me. I know, you fine.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: I love you.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: This is the inspiration. This is the writer of the show.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: This is why it's important. It's passion for hip-hop.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: And it happened in the moment. We're acting like they
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: didn't embrace it. The most hip-hop shit ever is New York,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: who is still stuck up about the music, challenges Hammer,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Hammer responds with sales, with touring in their cities, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: hollering at these niggas, right? And within the time frame
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: of it is embraced by it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: No.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: You younger than me, bro. I remember that. They were like,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: he's too commercial.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: That's not what he's saying. He's saying that people are
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: running into him. They're like, oh, never mind. Oh, he
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: is on that time.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: By the time.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: I agree, but my point is, why couldn't he be hip-hop?
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Why couldn't his music be hip-hop? Why couldn't the commercial?
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: It's not that.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Because now it's embraced. Let me say this, though. Hammer
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and Vanilla Ice.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Hammer gets embraced, not because he's black, but because he
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: is hip hop. He is here to stay. He's cut
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: from it. And I disagree that being challenged about if
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: you're introducing a more mainstream kind of hip hop, the
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: music did what it's supposed to do as a ecosystem.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: it attacked it to see if it was real and
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: it was real and with it while hammer was famous
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: he was embraced it's not like this shit took 10
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: years it never took a couple years and they.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: Like happened to for the vanilla ice because people couldn't
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: see if he was of the that's right the the
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: determining factor of hip-hop is like our initial conversation that
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: got me and all this shit you of the people.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: If the people scare you, you are not of the people. Like,
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: it's one thing... That was my point. I think there's
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: a great business for fans today.
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: The reaction and the content is more important than the
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: actual product.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: That's the fucking problem.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: We talk about.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: That a lot, though.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: The reaction and how fast it goes.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: It's not a problem, though. It's not a problem, right?
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: It's not a problem.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of always been like that. We're doing a lot.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Of revisionist history.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: The critics didn't have as much power.
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: Social media has changed the dynamics because.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: We grew up in.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: An era where we talked about five mic systems in
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: the Source magazine.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: It was us.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: They thought they was.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Of the people. It wasn't.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying to bring it back to the show,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: but you got to think a lot of the people...
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about this.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Show before FX Fireman?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: This is all still about the show.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: This is all about the show.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: A lot of people that are controlling the narrative that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: are popular fans were not even born... In 91. They're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: about to learn how the West Coast was born for
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the first time. These guys speak on us, particularly Glasses
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: and myself. Like, oh, fuck them West Coast niggas. Nobody
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: like that shit.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: But it's the reason why.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: This conversation is starting.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: What do you got to learn the hard way?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not going to. But I'm saying that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to say we've given these people the power because they're rich.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: And that's really what the quick answer is. If those
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: guys were not financially successful, nobody would listen to them.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And that's the real, real issue. popular fans. I'm telling you, bro,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: because listen, I know a lot of pages that say
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: some amazing things about hip-hop and the people that's going
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: on with it and they don't flourish.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: Because they don't have followings.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Everybody that you named, they don't have followings without talking
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: about the people.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: And I know, I can't, right, from, sure, but Ack, Vlad, Adam,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: put that in the motherfucker. I don't know Adam too well,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: but even Adam. I know y'all got a different situation.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: The NAACP should be suing his ass, dude. But they've
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: been around for, these guys haven't been around for almost
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: 20 years.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: I'm not disagreeing. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: They've built this audience over time. They might flash in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: the pan. I give you that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: But hold on.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I give you that.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: That doesn't change.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: They built it off the people that they were never of.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Private prison complex got built off of us and makes
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: money off us and our music.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's hip hop.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: It makes it exploitive of hip hop. I understand that.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: And I keep saying, you keep saying we're of the people.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: We're not of that generation, though. So there is a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: generation of people who.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: They're not of that generation of people.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: They're not... He's not of that generation of people.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: There's a generation of people that grew up just like Ack.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: They on the computer all day long.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: I'm not disagreeing, but I'm saying.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: And I think that makes them a part of gaming
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: and streamers culture. But that's part of it. But that's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: not a part of hip-hop. Hip-hop is a part of.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, it gotta be, G. No.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: It has to be.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: It has to be.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: They can intersect, but they're consumers. This is what happened
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: to rock and roll. This is what happened to R & B.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: Because it goes into a space where you're like, well,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: if they want to be involved, no. That's what I've
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: been standing firm.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: Fuck no.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: But how do you gatekeep consumers?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: That's my point.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Because the consumers don't... Because the consumers.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Are about the people.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: You just don't acknowledge them.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: So you're saying that the streaming and all that can
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: be there, but the people that should be streaming and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: controlling have to be of a certain.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think that at all.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: I've been saying for years, I think if you find...
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: I enjoyed the Warren Chirac specifically if we're talking about act, right?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: I've enjoyed.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: Tons of Vlad-style interviews. You know, we call them Vlad-style interviews,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: faceless interviews, right? We forgot that that was even a thing. Adam,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: I like Adam at the bike shop. I've watched all
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: of these people, but I am not confused that they
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: are not of the people. Now, is their business the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: movement of the people?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: But they're not of the people because that's why they
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: don't culturally go. Adam is the closest thing. And he's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: not going to— they' re not of the people. Hip-hop is of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: the people. Not just— and I get it. We would like
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: to evolve it into a space to where anybody who
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: got something to do with it is it.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: No, and that was my argument initially when people got
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: mad at me about a specific artist.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, if you're not.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: Of the people, you cannot be hip-hop. If you can't
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: walk down the neighborhood, you're not a true MC if
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: you can't walk in your neighborhood. G, he can walk
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: all through Toronto.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: I totally disagree.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I totally disagree. We do not want to accept the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: fact that hip-hop has grown so much.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: That's not grown.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: All around the globe, people have embraced it in different ways.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Drake does his type of hip-hop. I can't believe I'm
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: defending Drake. But Drake does his type of hip-hop.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not attacking him.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Just like, you know, Kendrick does his type of hip-hop.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: Everybody's doing it, ain't doing their type of hip-hop. Hip-hop
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: is one thing.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: At that point, then, There is no standard for anything.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: Listen, Kentucky Fried Chicken does not sell their version of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: soul food. Popeye's does not sell their version of soul food.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: It is not soul food.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: They're selling their version of fried chicken.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: That's a difference.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: They all got different recipes. Drake is doing hip-hop. He
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: just got a different recipe.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: But hip-hop is soul food.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: The baby's in Charlotte, North Carolina. He got a different recipe.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: For what he does.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: But hip-hop is soul food. You're talking about Kentucky Fried Chicken.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: That's their business because they have something they're tackling about
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: soul food.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: It's a fast food version of soul food.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: And there's no such thing.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: See, I'm from the South, so I remember when New
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: York didn't appreciate the South. I don't even know if
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: the West Coast appreciated the South.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Of course we did.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I remember they used to look at the South and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: act like the South was.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: New York didn't like nobody.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: New York didn't like nobody, but that exists in historical context, too.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: OutKast got booed at the 93 Source Awards. OutKast, the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: number one hip-hop group of all time right now, got
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: booed in 93.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: You're all talking about people who were there, part of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: the conversation, making the conversation happen, not sitting outside of it,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: Exploiting it, contributing more negativity.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Again, I think you're a great example.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Just comparing you and I don't know, and I kind
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: of regret, I don't have a platform. I don't want
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: to be involved with shit that's over my head, but
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I do think Charlamagne.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you an hour, Malcolm.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: It's really important for you to.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: See that Hollywood.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: No, I just don't want to be seeing in my DMs,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I'm going to kill you, nigga.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Are you on Twitter now? Are you on Twitter? Hell no.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Just stay on Twitter. It's kind of all right.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: But Charlamagne, dumb academic pages.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Listen to what we're saying about being on Twitter.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: It is the perfect example is you were an edgy,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: edgy dude. who has remained edgy but has had to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: answer to the culture.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Word up, word up.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: You face a consequence.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I would say Vlad got a better argument than the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: other two because Vlad constantly has to answer to the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: culture directly.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: And Vlad had hands put on him. It's important, dude.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: It's important.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: On a deeper level, you motherfucking evolved, bro.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: You became somebody that is still able to navigate this
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: space without saying, he's not like us. Ack went and
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: fucked with the MAGA-adjacent version of this it's like when
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: people say voting for donald trump is just a choice
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: it's not if 90 of black people ain't fucking with
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: somebody you gotta roll with it that's how at.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: That point they don't you gotta that's something that only
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: we understand so so it's not come on so yeah
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: so yeah exactly no i do got a.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: Question about the drop.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: To Malcolm. Our writing room's been amazing, by the way.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I can see. It's been great.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: To Malcolm, was there something, based on all this conversation
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: we're having, was there something you felt Snowfall couldn't fully
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: say about what happened to those neighborhoods that The Drop
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: can say specifically through music?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot specifically just because of me.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: And the music makes it easier. The Drop will be
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: the first show ever... that a person who was involved
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: with and tapped in with the thing is, it's just,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: it's so fucking different, bro. I don't even know how
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: to describe it. Like again, these some, like the dudes
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: who brought them on, these is my people who protected
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: me in LA and got, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it is able to do a lot differently.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I think Snowfall is one of the greatest shows ever made. Right.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: But this is truly the people making it.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: That's the thing. Hip-hop is of the people.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: I hate sometimes when I have this conversation with people
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: that they make it so personal and it's like I'm
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: attacking people.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: And it's like, bro, I'm not. The truth is we
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: have a right.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: Like just because some Italian painter paints a picture, it
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: doesn't make them a part of the Italian Renaissance. Fans,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: you can own a ton of pictures and art from
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: the Italian Renaissance. It doesn't make you a part of
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: the Renaissance itself. The Renaissance was the people at the time.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: So it goes to that same point. You have to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: be of the people to be a part.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: Of the art. Now, I don't want to stifle it
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: or pull it back.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, the job Melly Mill and Karis Wood
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: and Flash and all of it is incredible. But it
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: is our job to try and make sure because what'll
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: happen is, if we don't start to stop what everybody
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: is trying to do, we won't be talking about Mel E.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Mel.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: Just like we don't talk about the original people in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: rock and roll. Just like we don't, like what's happening
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: to R & B, right?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Facts.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Grandmaster Flash book the bigger picture come on make sure
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: you get that you know what I'm saying just came
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: out Grandmaster Flash got a star in Hollywood Walk of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Fame this year.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: So my job right and I felt I took on
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: the responsibility as well right it was God gave it
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: to me is to make sure what happened to rock
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: and roll doesn't happen to hip-hop. And it starts with
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: me sometimes even getting on us, like, hey, bro, no.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: We don't need to give it to somebody else just
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: because they're doing well or just because they benefited off
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: of it. It's people who sell Italian Renaissance painting art
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: all over the world. That don't make them a part
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: of the Renaissance. The purer we keep the idea, right,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: the founders itself will always be credited.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: And everything that it represents will stay intact. But if
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: you have people that don't understand the construct, right, of things,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: simple things, like when you have a bunch of people
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: questioning why snitching is a problem, Right. That's a simple
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: thing in hip-hop. Even if you didn't understand why, you
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: understood it was not a thing.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: That's a simple thing in the streets.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: But hip-hop is the streets, though.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Hip-hop is the streets.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: The streets made hip-hop.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: So, Mel understands.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: You can't switch the rules up just because it's what
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: But what if you're a rapper that has never been
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: in the streets?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: That's not the point. The culture of it.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Is from the streets. So, you accept the rules that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: come with it if you.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Are of the people.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: That's like me going to the NBA right now, and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, I'm averaging 40, so I want to
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: shoot four-pointers. And it's like, well, no, I can't change
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the fucking rules. It's been here for what it is.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna... I'm here. I'm here to play by.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: The rules of it.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: You cannot disrespect the rules of something that you didn't start.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the biggest problems with hip-hop.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: I think it's the greatest thing.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: That the people from the street got into a business
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: where they could actually change their lives, but didn't.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: And because they didn't, they continued to do criminal activity.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: TDE.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: In.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Huh? TDE?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: Eazy-E.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: TDE ain't no one going... They're the ones who did
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: it the right way. Right. If you're doing it the
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: wrong way, you're living by street rules. If you're having
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers killed.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: But it's not.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: You should be encouraging more of that. Because if you're
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: making millions of dollars and you still calling hits on people... Agreed.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: You talking about these new guys.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: But the same way you pulling the commentators and saying
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: they need to get checked, them guys need to get
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: checked too.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Agreed.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: But that goes to what he was talking about earlier
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: with the, for everyone, Kendrick just 10 littles.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: That's them bringing them in.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: That's not us.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: That's not the actual hip hop people that are here.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: That's not the guys that live and breathe this shit.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: You know who does the checking for those people? Prison.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: The thing is, we're going to be held accountable. That's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: the tricky part.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: I don't want to see him go to prison. But listen,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: I don't got to check Suge.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: I don't got to check Dirk. All respect to him.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: Life does that. That's the point of street life.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Nah, G.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. What are we talking about?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Hold on. He has a great chance.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: How can you drop this?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: This is what the drop is about.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, why.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Do we have to?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: I heard. This conversation is about, I think it's about
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: to drop, but we're talking about people who need consequences.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: People need to be checked when they're doing.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: The wrong shit. But I'm telling you, that's the thing
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: about street life.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: The accountability is— excuse me, consequence is promised.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: So that's even the law consequence. You're going to learn.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: The problem is when you don't want to accept consequence,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: when you avoid accountability, that's not street.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: That's all snitching is about.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: You're a perfect example, bro.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: That's all not being street is about.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: But you know what's funny, though? We talking about rappers
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: who snitch. The consumer don't care because most of the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: consumers ain't in the street.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: But we're not sure.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: I feel like the consumers, though, are pushing like they
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: want you to be that, that. And the actual thing,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: so even like with me, when people like see me
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: on the show and they're like, all right, cool. And
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: they go to my page and meet me in real life.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, you're not a crip.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: You're not this and that.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I... I know.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I'm an actor. I'm an actor.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to let y'all put this off on
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: the consumer. The consumer is demanding authenticity. Now, if they
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: have fallen in love with you, I think there is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: a small population of people that's like, well, he don't care.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: I like him anyway.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's the mass. I don't think that's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: the mass with Daniel, the little boy from Brooklyn that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: told all them people. Listen, the culture itself ain't fucking
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: with him.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: They're not.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: And even somebody like Gunna.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Gunna's a superstar right now.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: But he can't walk nowhere because they don't love him.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I see him walking around all the time.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: You don't see him walking around. He's not from LA.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: I walk through Atlanta. I walk through any ghetto in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: the Bronx. I walk through any ghetto in Brooklyn. I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: walk through any ghetto on any version of anywhere because
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: that's love.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: To Peyton's point though, It's guys like G who won't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: let rappers be actors.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Because a hip-hop artist isn't true.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Because we want all our rappers to be real. That's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: Like, Woody don't got to be Kane.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: But if you're a rapper who get in that booth
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: and talk about some hood gangster shit, we want you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: to be that.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: Why the fuck do they talk that now, though?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: No, but my pushback to you and me, this brings
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: me back to the show when we talk about the loyalty, right?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: So if I'm a rapper who got to be loyal
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: to what I know, what I grew up on, all
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: the things that you're saying, how many times is that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: going wrong for our rappers that we love?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: It don't never go wrong.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: It always go wrong.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: Let me tell y'all something.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: That's the right way to do it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: And if they are, they're not announcing it. They're not
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: posting it. I don't know. The last time I seen Top,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: first of all, I've seen him one time my whole
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: life and it was in a huge theater here in
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 7: New York. It wasn't in LA just walking down.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: Why do y'all assimilate that what they're doing is what's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: supposed to happen? Why you don't look at me at,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: this is the real thing. I don't give a fuck
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 6: what none of them people saying. This the real thing.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: But you ain't doing dumb shit either, G. Because you
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: don't got to do dumb shit you in the streets.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: Doing dumb shit, some of these people y'all talking about
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: is on dope. And you don't never bring that up.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: And I've been telling you that for years. A lot
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: of that shit they doing is emotional. A lot of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: that shit is, like some of this shit is dumb.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: And we not talking about the people we talking about.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: They on drugs. They're not making conscious choices to, this
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: ain't street what they doing. That don't got nothing to do,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: that shit be dumb to us.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: G is the best just say no hood commercial in
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: He do not like you on drugs.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: He do not respect you on drugs. Because everybody we're
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: going to talk about is on dope. Anybody we name
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: is going to be on dope, and we're not taking
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: that as... People in the street looking at niggas like, man,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: that's dummy.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: But you supposed to shame that. That's my point. I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: shame people being on drugs all the time.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: You should be shaming people on drugs, shaming people on crime,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: shaming people making millions of dollars still walking around with
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: a bunch of guns.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: What kind of crime?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: Reading was a crime.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Reading was a crime at one point. He also thinks
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: if you take a mushroom, you're going to be gay.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: So you got to watch him with everything that he's doing.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 6: I think a big problem with... We're not addressing the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: real problem. We keep trying to act like crime is
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: the problem.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 7: Our problem is mushrooms.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: No, the problem with.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: People is drugs and alcohol. People don't want to deal
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: with life straight up. That's what account... Part of being
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: a street dude is being willing to deal with consequence.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: If it's seven dudes from a rival neighborhood, am I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: still from my neighborhood when they ask me? Yes, because
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: I'm willing to accept consequence from representing my folk.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: Drugs avoid accountability.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: The reason this argument doesn't sit right with me, because
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: a lot of people were talking about made bad decisions,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: drunk and high.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: And then we saying, well, that's the street. No, it's not.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: My homies be like, man, that shit was dumb. I'm
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: talking about my street is home.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm with that.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: People may be like, that shit was dumb as hell.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: But the problem is they know it's dumb. Even the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: people that's in the problem. They thinking right now, damn, man,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: I should have never... They're saying it. They're changing their life.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: I just hate that it's not being told how all
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: these people in the streets are trying to change their
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: life actively. Nobody want to have to do the shit
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: that they doing. Nobody want to risk their freedom. It's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: not something we have to preach against. If you're rapping.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: Right? You're already expressing yourself. You're already trying to be noticed.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: When you start taking it serious as a business, that's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: saying you don't want to sell drugs.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: I think people feel like they don't hear enough of that. Like,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: they don't hear enough people from the street calling out
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: the dumb street shit.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm telling you, that's why.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Who don't give him that platform? He got a million platforms.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: That's why you did it.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: He does it. I do it all the time. I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: tell people all the time.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: But I'm saying, I always say this. A lot of
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: these people should not be the person you looking up to.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: But if you only look up to who got the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: most money, you're the fucking problem. And I think that's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: the real argument. I had to explain that when I
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: was talking online. I'm like, bro, money, you can't even walk...
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: Just walk with me somewhere and I'm going to show
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: you real quick about what's what. I'll take you through
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: any ghetto. I'll take you through a Jamaican ghetto. You're
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: from Jamaica.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: We can walk and I'll show you respect.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: You can have $ 10 million and I got $ 200, 000. You're
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: going to look in real life and be like, oh,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: this shit is different.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: And that's what street is. Street is where you carry yourself.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: You got to rent power.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: Real power is when I can walk through the Jersey,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: your nearest ghetto in Jersey, and I'll show you power.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: You know why I agree with that?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: This nigga just said you got a rent power?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: That's what money is.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: I agree with him 100% and like I swooped in
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: my guy Lil Boss he from Charleston, South Carolina right?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Got a real story in the city, right? He from
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: North Charleston, South Carolina. Got a real story in the city.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Shout out to homie.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: And the other day, I posted a video.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: The homie, Courtney, they did a versus between Lil Boss
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: and this guy named Long Money Phil. Two rappers from
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: Charleston who got a lot of movement. It's 3,000 people.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Singing Lil Boss' music word for word.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: And just posting that video has a bunch of people
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: reaching out to him because we haven't seen that in
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: a long time.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: You ain't seen that real respect from the people. Not online.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: Not comments online. Not comments or I got 100,000 viewers.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: That man is in the room with those people.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: And you can look at him. And so hip hop
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: is that. Hip hop is I can be in a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: room with people. I'm aware of what's happening, but I'm
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: here and I'm there with me. I showed Problem the video.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: Somebody posted it. It just went up the other day.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: I had a song called Fuck Your Hood. I'm rapping
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: in a room of 2,000 niggas in L.A. And I'm
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: rapping a song and these niggas is screaming at me
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: and I'm telling them, fuck your hood. You niggas all phony.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: Fuck your hood and your dead.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: Why would you do that?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: Because I capture sometimes the energy of our greatest emotional place.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: That's what hip hop is.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you're that frustrated with life where you just, I
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: don't even give a fuck.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: I'm just with tripping today.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: That's a real energy that I felt and people in
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: LA have felt and they, they, they galvanized them. And
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: I was showing them, I'm like, that's power. Power is
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: when you are of the people. I'm just offended that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: we're not looking at Jay-Z like a street dude. That
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: is a street dude. That dude's a street dude. We're
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: not looking like Tip as a street dude. We're not
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: looking at his young people. There's people right now, even
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: Dirk dealing in consequence, right? Here is something that they're
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: saying you did. He's in jail fighting his case. That's accountability.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: He didn't say, hey, it was this guy to avoid accountability.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: So if he did make a bad decision, he'll be
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: held accountable. If he didn't, he'll get a chance to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: get his life back.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: That's the trick.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: It comes with accountability. But if you are willing to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: not be of the people, you cannot be hip-hop. And
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying you can't get money with us. You
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: can get money off of it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: It's obvious.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: Fans are controlling everything because they have this very, you know,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: myopic perspective that other fans can relate to. Why would
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: you want to listen to me about street life? And
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you, Hey, if it's seven people around you
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: from a different neighborhood, just say where you from still.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: Hell no, you ain't finna listen to glasses. That shit
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: sound crazy. You're going to listen to this guy who's black. Shit,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: I ain't going to say nowhere where I'm from.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: That's easy.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: Don't worry, I won't.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Say where I'm from.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: That's my point, right? There's tons of people that will
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: not deal in accountability or consequence.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: This is my last question, Malcolm.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: When people watch The Drop, are we watching people trying
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: to make records? Are we really watching a transfer of
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: cultural power? That's what I feel like.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. It is truly an investigation into the culture
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: and into the circumstances that created the culture as through
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: human beings, right? As through, like, what... By meeting Trigg, like,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: the character he plays, right, and seeing what a crip
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: lives through, does, and thinks in his real culture, by
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: the time that manifests into music, the audience should have
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: an understanding that an entire life goes into these bars.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And an entire circumstances goes
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: into a person's life. And we are emphasizing that.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: We ain't doing Empire, which I love.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: I love, but it's just.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: A whole different approach.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: His character talks about the dynamic because he's a crip, right?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: But he's still trying to find redemption with his grandparents.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: It shows that he's this talented person that can play
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: the piano. You can start to see the complexity, his
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: love life. You can start to see his relationship with
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: being a big brother. Because for some reason, being a Crip,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: people think that that's what you do. You're just a
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: Crip to your mom and your dad. And you're a
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: Crip to your brother, your little brother. You're a Crip
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: to everybody. Bro, there is more about Cripping than that's
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: being told. And it is how he deals as a
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: big brother. I'm not taking no nonsense. My brother could
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: be wrong. I'm still going to fight for him. It
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: could be I still care about my grandfather's approval, my
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: grandmother's approval. I still care about, you know, making sure
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: my cousin, who might have did some unscrupulous shit in
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: the past, feel me, is okay. I'm going to protect
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: my little brother at all things. And I still have
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: to negotiate my relationship with my homeboys.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: That is in the streets.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: So it's a it's a full you know, it's a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: full scope. The drop is a full scope of our
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: lives in these conditions. Like I always like to compare
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: it like this is a story of black families. One
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: grandparents raising grandkids with the street and hip hop as
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: a backdrop being around the music. Another story between a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: husband and wife who got their own traumas.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: One on drugs.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: One was a drug dealer. and music in the street
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: is their backdrop. Same with, you know, the Dara character
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: and her family. Like, artillery is not just, you know,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: somebody from a hood. This is somebody she's known her
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: whole life. She grew up in the light. That's her family.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: And here is the streets and hip-hop as the backdrop
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: and how it affects their existence. And his character is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: most important to me when it comes to, like, when
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: I explain to you about Crippin', like, I remember telling
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: Charlamagne how offended I was about Tyler dissing God. And
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: he just felt like it was so crazy as a Crip.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, you know, like, some of my homeboys
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: that's from Main Street, they're like preachers. Shout out to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: Ozzy Mike. Like, Crips go to church and all that. Like,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: it's not like we pride on destruction. You pride on preservation.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: It's all preservation. Like, you will destroy in.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Order to preserve, to remain.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: It's not like, hey, you know, we're not Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: It's not lunch. On humans, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: That's just not true. So his character to me is important.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Jeffrey was just hungry and trying to survive.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: I'm not mad, but he'd go to the store.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say. The girth of the West Coast
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: will be shown.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: On this show.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: The girth.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: You got to do the dance.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: It's very girthy. Very girthy show on the West.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: Very, very feeling and round.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: No, it was a great conversation, man.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: And the thing I love about the drop is like,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: because Glasses keeps saying something, hip-hop is.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Hip-hop is not just of the people. It's of the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: people who America wrote off.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: That's the kid.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: And that's what I think shows like The Drop show us.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: Though Glasses, Peyton, Malcolm, James- Thank you for joining us.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: James.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: Trigger me.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I said problem.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Jason is my name, brother.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Jason.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: No, because Taylor called you James.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: I forgot.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Goddamn.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: You called him Martin earlier. Jason Problem Martin.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: He getting up there.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: He squint when he's being here. You've been doing this
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: a long time. A long time.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Make sure y'all watch The Drop every Tuesday at... 9 p.m.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: 9 p.m. 9 p.m.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: FX Disney Plus.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: Disney Plus.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Number one.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: Thick Muffin did a good job.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: It's The Breakfast Club.