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Where we discuss the critical crossroads, the shape SpaceX.
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Tesla X, The Boring Company and Neuralink and I'm your host.
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Will Walden In on today's episode, we're going to be
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talking about some interesting things that SpaceX is up to as
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far as space tourism goes. Just recently, SpaceX released
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some new information on their website about the way that
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people can book a flight to low Earth orbit in a Dragon capsule
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and Jared Isaacman and his crew for the new Eva that's going to
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be happening. It's going to be an interesting
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few months when this all happens.
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OK, so let's talk about what Jared's going to be doing.
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They're going to be doing what is considered an Eva for the for
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the next human spaceflight. It's basically like a booked
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flight, like a like a plane flight, like a you book an
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airliner flight, but you book it to space, right?
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So Jared spent a bunch of money, millions of dollars prepping his
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team and also prepping the the Dragon capsule.
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And SpaceX and him are working very closely together.
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And this is a bigger thing here with Jared.
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OK, so Jared runs a very successful flight training
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school. He trains fighter pilots,
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basically like jet pilots. And I believe this is the next
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step for his business is that he'll start training people to
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go to space so he could own that part of spaceflight.
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That's what you want to do as a business owner.
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You want to own certain parts, be the first person or the first
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entity, the first business to do this.
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And the only way you can do that as a partner with somebody like
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SpaceX who sends people to space in a rocket.
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Now with Jared and his crew for the next flights, they're going
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to be doing an Eva. They have an Eva suit that they
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worked with SpaceX on for the last year or so.
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Couple years on this suit. I don't know how long SpaceX has
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been actually working on this, but I'm sure it's been a long
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time internally. But Jared and SpaceX have been
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working really closely together over the last year to bring this
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thing to fruition and make it feasible for their next flight.
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So they're gonna be doing an Eva, basically.
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It's not the same as an old school Eva, You know, like say
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like the shuttle or outside the ISS, they're gonna be tethered
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inside of the the Dragon capsule.
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Everyone's going to be exposed to the vacuum of space.
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There's gonna be 4 participants in this, so everybody inside the
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capsule will be exposed to the darkness and the vacuum of
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space. So it's going to be absolutely
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dangerous, absolutely terrifying.
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But you're tethered and you're not going to float out of the
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capsule. But you need a suit that can
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withstand those harsh environments.
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So the within the tether they have life support systems in
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everything. They need to survive while this
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is happening. Unlike when you're outside of
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the International Space Station Space Station, you have this big
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bulky backpack on. There's no room for that in a
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Dragon capsule, right? There will be room for that in a
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Starship. There will be room for that in a
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Starship, but right now they're tethered and umbilicaled in so
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they're umbilical. Can use all your life support.
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If you need to go outside of the capsule, you could do that.
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We don't know if they're going to be doing any sort of outside
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capsule maneuvers. We were shown in the press
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conference the other day that they were thinking about it and
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they don't know exactly the duration of that, of that extra
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vehicular activity. So that's what Eva stands for by
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the way, is extra vehicular activity.
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Now they said that the Eva could be a a long duration Eva for the
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first flight and we don't really know if that's going to happen
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because it's the first flight, it's a test flight.
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These four people that are going up, it's a test flight and it
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could stop in 10 minutes depending on what's going on.
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You know, there could be some sort of problem where the Eva
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starts and they find an issue and they all have to, they have
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to stop it and they have to come back in the capsule.
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They have to close the capsule up and go back to normal mission
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directives, right. And that's OK.
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Like that's that's going to happen sometimes.
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And Space Flight and like new technologies.
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And Spacex's space suit is basically all new technologies.
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And it looks pretty similar to their old space suit.
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It's a little bit, a little bit thicker.
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It looks like a little bit thicker.
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But you too can book a flight to low Earth orbit.
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Your mission duration is usually three to six days.
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You orbit around the Earth every 90 minutes, which is beautiful.
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You're about 300 to 500 kilometers above the Earth
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anywhere between 2:00 and 4:00 passengers.
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So you can have you and three buddies go up.
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You can have a cupola this. So you're not going to be doing
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an Eva but there's going to be a cupola which is a giant window
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on the on the spacecraft. So you could float upside down.
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I there's no upside down. The space every everything's
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upside down I guess. But you could be flying looking
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at the earth in every 90 minutes you go around the earth.
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You could orbit the Earth in 90 minutes.
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That would be wonderful and beautiful.
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It's going to cost a couple 1,000,000 bucks per person, you
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know, 10,000,010 to 20 million per person, something like that.
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And then, you know, hopefully it'll be a a wonderful
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experience for you for, you know, three days you get trained
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by everybody at SpaceX. And hopefully Jared in the
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future and his crew and his company will start doing Space
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Flight operations so they can train the people that do the
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SpaceX flights, 'cause SpaceX doesn't currently have a lot of
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Space Flight training personnel, 'cause they go to the
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International Space Station. And those astronauts are NASA
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astronauts mainly or Axiom Space astronauts, something like that.
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But most of those people are trained via NASA or some
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government body, Axiom Space, They do a kind of a combination
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of both. So it looks like Jared is
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getting into the business of Space Flight, which is
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incredible because he's already in it.
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Which is, Which is, you know, saying that, saying a lot for
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this guy because he did Inspiration 4.
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He's he was the captain of the Crew Dragon Resilience and it
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launched from Kennedy Space Center for Inspiration Four.
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They spent a bunch of time up there and they have the Polaris
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Dawn program coming up. That's what I was talking about
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before the Polaris Dawn program, where they're going to be doing
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Eva, but we're not sure how far out they're going to be doing
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the Eva. They're going to be launching
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this from Florida and the Polaris Dawn crew will spend up
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to five days in orbit, during which they will work towards the
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following objectives, high altitude.
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They're going to go higher than anybody else has ever flown.
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They're going to be orbiting through portions of the Van
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Ellen radiation belt. So checkmate against the people
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that are flat Earthers or the people that say, oh, we've never
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been through the Van Allen radiation belt, whatever.
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Like this is going to prove them wrong, which is great, which is
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great. We should probably prove all
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those people wrong. And they're going to be doing
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700 kilometers above the Earth. They're going to be doing an
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Eva, the first ever commercial extra vehicular activity,
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upgraded from the current IVA suit.
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They have a new Eva suit, and this is all building to people
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going to the moon and also going to Mars and then farther out in
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the solar system eventually. Right now, we don't really have
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the technology to get there fast enough.
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It's gonna take a while to get to the outer solar system.
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So when they do this low Earth orbit stuff, they're only up
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there for a few days. If you have the outer solar
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system, you're gonna be in space for a year to get to some of
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these places or or more even when you go to when you go to
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Mars. It's a long trip.
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You know, you're not going to be there.
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It's not going to take a week to get there.
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It's going to take months to get there.
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And can you survive, you know, the radiation, leaving the
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Earth's atmosphere, all that and do Evas because the only way to
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service Starship on the way to Mars or further is to do an Eva.
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And this is the first Test of these Eva suits for Jared and
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the crew. So they're going to be up there
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700 kilometers doing an Eva and they're going to be using these
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Eva suits probably on the way to the moon.
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If it's a private Starship flight, they're probably going
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to be using these suits and they're going to transfer from
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the regular IVA suits to only these Eva suits.
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So they'll have one suit that does everything.
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So the best part is no part, right?
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So you get rid, ditch the old technology, move forward and use
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the new technology to better Space Flight.
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But they needed all those years in the IVA to make it the best
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suit possible. And then they added on top of
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that. So now they have the Eva.
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They'll be the first crew to do a Starlink based communication
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in space. So they're going to get valuable
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data for future space communications.
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And while in orbit, the crew will conduct scientific
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research. Let's see what they have here.
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They have ultrasound to monitor, detect and quantify gas BGE
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contributing to studies on human prevalence to decompression
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segments, So basically the bends and also gathering data on the
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radiation environment like we were saying before the Van Allen
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radiation belt providing biological samples towards
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multiomics analysis for a long term biobank and research
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related to Space Flight association, Neuro Ocular
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syndrome which is a key risk to human health and long duration
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Space Flight. So your eyes get wonky in space
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and they want to figure out why. And once they figure out the why
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and how it happens, then they can figure out a way to prevent
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it in the future. So that's important for long
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duration Space Flight. When you want to go to, you
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know, I don't know, sorry, Incitalis or something.
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Incitalis. I said that wrong anyway.
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You want to go to the moon? Another planet.
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Why can't I think of how to say that right now anyway?
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You want to go to the moons of Jupiter, right?
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And that'll be great, but how? It's going to take you forever.
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And by the time you get there, your eyes might be so messed up
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you can't even see what you're, you know what you're looking at
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because your eyes get so messed up.
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So this neuro ocular syndrome or sands, it could be a thing that
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they they start the process of figuring it out now and then in
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like the years in the future, they could figure out how to
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stop it before it starts and also how to fix it.
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So the Eva suit, you know, it looks like a regular, looks kind
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of like a regular IVA suit, but it's way more tech.
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In the Polaris Dawn program, of course has Jared Isaacman, Scott
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Petit, Sarah Gillis and Anna Menin who are going to be flying
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on this thing and they were going to be influential for the
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future of spaceflight altogether.
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I mean, Inspiration Four was a huge deal, but Polaris Dawn,
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that's taken it up to like 20 out of 10.
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It's huge. And Eva commercial Eva, like no
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one's ever done this before. Private Eva, no one's done it.
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So what I want to talk about now is when do you get done with
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these Evas, the Space Flight, tourism, Space Flight, thinking
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SpaceX is going to put everybody out of business that's doing
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this now because they have everything.
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Of course, we know Spacex's Starship will be going to the
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moon. We know SpaceX Starship
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eventually will go to Mars. But in between the moon and
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Mars, SpaceX has to figure out how to put people in the
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Starship in low Earth orbit to send them to the moon and Mars.
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How do you do that? You test things like Evas in a
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Dragon capsule where it's already built.
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Starship can't send people, yet it can barely get to orbit.
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I mean, it did a great job with IFT E3 and upcoming IFT 4, but
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nobody's going to get in that thing for a while.
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And these Dragon capsule tests, I mean, I don't know how many
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more Jared is going to try to do with players program, but right
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now they have. You have three of them, three of
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them planned. So we have the Polaris program,
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which eventually they have, you know, Polaris Dawn mission,
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mission two, and then mission three.
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They don't have names for mission two and three yet.
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This is mission 2 building upon Polaris Dawn.
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This mission will continue to expand the boundaries of human
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spaceflight missions in space, communications and scientific
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research. So basically Polaris Dawn, which
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is the first one, they're gonna take all that data that they get
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from the first one they've got. Like, what?
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Can we do this better than this? What can we do to add to this
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and to make the next flight even more robust?
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So every lesson they learned from the mission one, they're
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gonna put towards mission two, and then for mission three, this
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will be the first human spaceflight on a Starship, and
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this will be something you could book in the future.
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So the first human spaceflight on Starship mission 3, Polaris
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Starship mission. I don't know what they're gonna
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call it, but it seems like that's where everybody's headed.
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So the first human space light on Starship, they're gonna human
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rate Starship. NASA has the humans rate
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Starship so they can send people to the moon in it.
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And will the mission three of Polaris program be a lunar
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Starship or will it be the crew Starship that sends people to
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Mars? OK, so the crew Starship have a
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big window, a bunch of windows have like places to hang out.
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There will have an inside of the Starship where you could fly
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around, I guess not fly. You could float around and there
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will be, you know, there will be a a galley, a cafe, you know,
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like everything. You need sleeping quarters.
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You have your own little quarters to hang out in
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communications. Things like kind of like if you
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go on a cruise or if you go on a, how about this?
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This is even better. So it's sort of like if you've
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mashed up a cruise and a submarine or an airliner, I
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guess would be a better way to put it.
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But you're in the tube, you're basically in a 777 or something.
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It's big. It's quite large, 9 meters
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around, 30 feet around. It's huge.
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And you get that all to yourself and like a few other people, but
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you know, it's a cramped, cramped area.
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You're in there with a bunch of people and it's not a open tube.
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There's going to be life support systems, a bunch of things
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around you. But it's going to be a a great
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place to test things in low Earth orbit for Polaris program
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and then move you off to the moon and Mars and beyond.
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But the the first one is going to be the Polaris mission 3.
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Now I know everybody's thinking like, OK, so so Polaris mission,
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cool, great, what does that matter?
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What matters? Because right now you can book a
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mission with SpaceX to go to low Earth orbit.
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And eventually, if you have enough money and this is human
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rated for long duration Space Flight, and they finally figure
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out how to fuel this up in low Earth orbit, you're going to be
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able to go to Mars. You're going to be able to fly
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you and a bunch of friends to Mars.
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You might not want to land on Mars because it's it's
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dangerous. It's horrible there.
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It's horrible like Mars is like one.
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It's one of the worst places to live and that's why we don't
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live there, because it's the worst place.
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It's like going to the top of Mount Everest and trying to live
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like it's it's almost impossible.
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People die all the time. Going to Everest, like climbing
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up Everest and sometimes coming back down, they might make the
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peak, but coming back down Everest, some people die.
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And when you go to Mars, there's no oxygen, sort of like Everest.
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It's super cold in places like Everest.
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It's extremely dangerous to get there, which is also getting to
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the top of Everest, you know, and I'm just making this
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comparison because I know people.
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It's an extremely difficult thing to do.
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So people have done it. But it took a few brave people
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with the resources to do it, to do it the first few times.
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And once they did it, other people were like, oh, they can
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do that. I can.
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I can do that too. I have some money.
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I got some resources. I think I could climb that
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mountain. You hire the right people to
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take you up there, which would be Jared's new program, which
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trains astronauts and then sends them wherever they're going to
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go. And also you work with SpaceX
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for Starship integration and then you're good to go, which
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would take you months to get there, 9/6 to nine months to get
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this, get to Mars. Then you have to take 6 to 9
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months to get back. So you're going to be in this
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tube for about a year. That's why I was, I was kind of
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combining the submarine and an airliner and sort of like a
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cruise because they're all things that you do that have
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life support systems. But also you're in a tube for a
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year or more like or a year and a half or something if you just
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go to Mars and come back. But you're probably going to
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want to go to Mars, do a couple laughs, do a couple orbits, you
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know, spend a month in orbit. I don't know.
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That would be great. That'd be great.
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I'm not going to be the person that does this.
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Let me know in the comments if you're the person that does
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this, because I'm not going to be that person.
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So what I want to do is I want to, I want to figure out who
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would do this. If you had unlimited resources,
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unlimited money. Would you go to Mars on a
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Starship? Would you be one of the first
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people? Let's put it that way.
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Let's put let's do that. Would you be one of the first
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people to go to Mars? That would be incredible.
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You'd be a pioneer and you would be in the history books.
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You could become a hero for all of humanity.
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So think about that. If you have the money to do it,
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is your ego big enough? If it's just an adventure thing,
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you're just like, man, I just want to go to Mars.
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How sick would that be? That would be cool, right?
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That'd be fun. But if it's an ego thing where
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you're like, you know what, I get nothing else better going
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on. This is my way to make a
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contribution. That's cool too.
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That's cool too. I I think that's great.
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I couldn't do it myself personally, so I think you are
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way more brave than me if you think you could do it, so let me
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know in the comments. So we don't know how much it's
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going to cost either. So a Starship could possibly go
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for. Elon said it's going to take a
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couple million, like 20 million to launch a Starship, which is
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incredibly low, incredibly low, maybe up to 100 million to
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launch a Starship. So if you got 25,000,000, Elon
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has to make profit too. So say if you have 50 million,
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you get 4 people to go with you. You're going to need a captain,
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you know, somebody who's in charge.
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Of course, you're going to have to have people.
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Everybody has to know how to work all the systems, kind of.
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You have to have people that are, you know, like a doctor.
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You have to have somebody who's in charge of the food and like a
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bunch of different people. It's sort of like going on a
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Star Trek ship, you know, everybody has their duty like
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you're in a submarine. Or you're in an air flight, like
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in an airliner where there's a pilot, copilot, etcetera, and
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sort of like the International Space Station.
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Because basically what you're doing is flying a space station,
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a mini space station to Mars. It's going to take a while to
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get there. You need all the systems,
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everything needs to work Florida State for six to nine months to
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get there. How do you do that?
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You get the right people to do the right jobs if anything
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happens. Can you 3D print a part or do
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you bring extra parts with you? How heavy are those parts?
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If one part fails, what's the redundancy?
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It's a it's a complicated mess, you know when you when you think
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about it, because starships are big, they're giant things.
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They're 150 feet tall, possibly bigger in the future according
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to Elon. So who who does the work, You
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know? So you're going to have to have,
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I'm thinking, I'm guessing this is another thing we can talk
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about in the comments too. I'm guessing minimum six people
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going to Mars, minimum, possibly 10.
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The thing is huge. Starship is huge.
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So think about, because you're not gonna have a whole 150 feet
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of of motion between the top of the Starship and where everybody
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hangs out. There's there's numerous videos
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about the interior of Starship and how it works.
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SpaceX released something a long time ago about the interior of
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Starship 2, so if you could dig that up, try to find that too.
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That's pretty interesting. But people have also made their
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own renderings. We have a video from a long time
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ago, a couple years ago, focusing and showcasing the
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interior of the Starship. Have a bunch of YouTube shorts
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about it too. We had a a great graphic artist,
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Pork Roll Porky, helping us out, and he said Pork Roll, no, Pork
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Roll's the guy they play games with.
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I forgot. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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So anyway, sorry to the artist. I think it's Pork Roll.
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I don't know. I think Porky's the guy that we
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play games with. Anyway, that's beside the point.
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So there's a bunch of interior renderings and videos about
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that. And SpaceX will make sure that
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everything's taken care of before you fly to Mars.
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So part of that is getting to the moon, flying people to the
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moon, making sure all the systems work there and then
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making it even better because you can have systems that go to
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the moon and some of these things like we might not go to
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Mars for the next 20 years. And I don't want to be one of
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those people. I'm not a naysayer.
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I just know how fast technology works and especially Space
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Flight. How long did it take SpaceX to
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get AISS rated? Star or Falcon?
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And you know, the Crew Dragon took him a little while, right?
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Took him years to do that. So Starship could be human rated
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for the moon, but going all the way to Mars, there's massive
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amounts of radiation in between here and Mars.
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How do you shield for that? I'm sure they're working on that
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in the background. How do you shield for that?
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How do you make sure that everyone's OK?
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Do you line the walls with water?
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People were talking about that for a while.
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Water's really heavy. Really, really heavy.
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So I don't think that's going to be a possibility.
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What kind of materials can you use?
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Is there just going to be a radiation bunker somewhere in
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the place where everybody kind of hunkers down while a big
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radiation storm comes through or something?
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That's a possibility. They did that.
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They they did that in the ISS. They do that or not in the ISS.
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They do that with some concepts for lunar landing and also for
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long derision, Space Flight. NASA has done concept concepts
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about that in the past. So there's a possibility that
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they have a bunker in the Starship and that would, you
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know, that would eradicate like a bunch of fears for people,
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especially with radiation. And then the rest of the ship
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could be rated for radiation, long duration, long duration
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Space Flight, radiation. There we go, it's the long run.
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So I don't know, would you take that flight?
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It's going to be 10s, maybe $100 million.
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If you had the money, would you do it?
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I think there's a possibility. I think there's a possibility.
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And I think Jared Isaacman is going to train the astronauts
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that go to Mars or go to Mars himself.
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Be the first person to go to Mars.
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I don't know if it's going to be a nation.
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I think it might be. It might be Jared.
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I think he's going to be the first person to do that, to go
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around Mars, to fly around Mars and come back.
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He's an explorer, he's a, he's a thrill seeker.
25:11
He's very tempered, very well spoken, very calm, great
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demeanor. So him being in charge of
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everybody and being the commander of the first Starship
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to go to Mars, I mean, if he's the, he's the commander of the
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first Starship in orbit, first human rated Starship in orbit,
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that's the first step. And maybe he'll go around the
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moon for the first time. I don't know.
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It would be great if he does all these things.
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Maybe he's the explorer we need. Maybe we need Jared to do all
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these things. So Jared could go lower Thurbin
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in Starship. Go around the moon in Starship
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before Dear Moon. Maybe, I don't know.
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Maybe we'll see. And then maybe go around Mars.
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But Dear Moon, I know not look at do good.
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Dear Moon. I look at do good.
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But I don't know if Jared is going to be competitive enough.
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He'll pay whatever he he can pay.
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But Dear Moon seems like, I mean there's gonna be 1234567891011
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people that go to Dear Moon and Dear Moon's been postponed as
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well. You know they started it in 2018
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and they wanted you know they wanted to launch in 2023 for
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start with Starship in 2023. Can you imagine that?
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We all know, we all know that Starship is far away from
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launching anybody to the moon. Years away from launching
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anybody to the moon, even Artemis, the NASA program is
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slated for like 20-30 ish now. So they wanted 2023, of course,
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very ambitious flight timeline, but 20-30?
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That's more realistic. But even then, you know, six
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years from now, getting the Starship human rated, Jared's
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gonna be one of those first, the first people to do that.
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And then once they figure that out, send somebody around the
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moon before they send NASA astronauts.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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I think, I don't know if NASA would be OK with that.
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They probably would. But I mean, what is NASA?
27:16
Just a customer of SpaceX? I don't know if they'd be mad or
27:19
not, but who? I mean, if you're Elon, you
27:22
can't make like you can't. You can't make your one of your
27:25
best customers upset with you due to these politics.
27:30
I don't know. So would they send a private
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astronaut crew before a NASA astronaut crew around the moon
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Out of Starship? I don't know because it's just a
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it's a it's a weird thing. So SpaceX and dear Moon project
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of course postponed until they figure out how to do it.
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You know they're upgrading everything as we speak.
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Flight 4 of Starship coming up soon TM middle of the month,
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maybe. We'll see.
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But they're doing testing right now with the ship and they're
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doing the booster and hopefully soon they'll get the FAA
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approval to DUO Starship flight. Hey, thank you.
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