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Patriots Unfiltered 8/25: Reported Boutte Trade, Browns Preview, Eliot Wolf Presser/Reaction · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com. Patriots Unfiltered. All right,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Gillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Alex
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  Speaker 2: in the booth. Of course, the big news is rivalry
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  Speaker 2: jerseys came out.
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I'm only kidding. The big news, I guess, is the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots finally pulled off a trade for Kayshaun Booty. He's
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  Speaker 2: going to the Houston, Texas, where I guess everybody from
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots eventually goes at some point. And we'll get
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  Speaker 2: our comments. Personally, I'm not thrilled. I have a question
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  Speaker 2: for all of you when we get to it, but
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  Speaker 2: let's go around what everyone thinks.
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  Speaker 5: I thought this had been in the works for a while.
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  Speaker 5: It seemed like this is what it was going to be.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe they would get a player. They did get a player.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're pretty thin at safety right now, so
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  Speaker 5: it's good to add some depth. Guy in the mold,
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  Speaker 5: kind of a Del Pettis. But I didn't have high
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  Speaker 5: expectations for getting a huge return on him. And as
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  Speaker 5: I said over the last week, the way that A.J.
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  Speaker 5: Brown and Romeo Dobbs have played over the last couple weeks,
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  Speaker 5: wish you the best, Kayshaun Booty. But we got two
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  Speaker 5: guys now who can really play, who are going to
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  Speaker 5: play a lot. And he was buried here. So I
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  Speaker 5: think he's going to get an opportunity. But I'm not
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  Speaker 5: all that upset about it. I'm too excited about A.J.
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  Speaker 5: Brown and Romeo Dobbs.
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  Speaker 6: I've already given my take on Kayshaun. I sort of
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  Speaker 6: feel the way Mike does. You know, it's... About what
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  Speaker 6: I expected in a trade, you know, late day three picks.
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  Speaker 6: It ended up being a late day three player and
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  Speaker 6: a late day three pick.
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  Speaker 7: I agree with everything Mike said.
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  Speaker 6: I don't see an avenue short of mass injuries that
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  Speaker 6: was going to allow him to even do what he
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  Speaker 6: did last year. And this is not, you know, sort
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  Speaker 6: of an indictment on Keishon Booty, the player, the way
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  Speaker 6: he developed, I think. coming from where he started his
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  Speaker 6: career and having all these doubts about if he even
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  Speaker 6: wanted to continue playing and all that, I think he's
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  Speaker 6: to be commended for resurrecting what was a really tough
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  Speaker 6: start to his NFL career to the point where people
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  Speaker 6: are now legitimately upset and disappointed that he's no longer
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  Speaker 6: a Patriot. My one criticism of the team, and it's
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  Speaker 6: a very slight one, I understand why this move got made.
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  Speaker 6: We've been talking about it for months, right? Just on
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  Speaker 6: the very heels of you discussing your lack of depth
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  Speaker 6: as a team, you trading a piece of depth, you know,
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  Speaker 6: kind of runs counter.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think the depth was that wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: The lack of depth was that wide receiver.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm saying when you talk about your lack of
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  Speaker 6: depth as a team and then you trade a depth piece,
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  Speaker 6: I think that that, you know, is somewhat questionable. I
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  Speaker 6: would say that that's the one spot that I think
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  Speaker 6: you could earn it. And listen, if this was a
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  Speaker 6: perfect world, I've said this from the start as well.
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  Speaker 6: You would have Keishon Booty part of your team, and
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  Speaker 6: that way if something does happen to A.J. Brown or
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  Speaker 6: Romeo Dobbs, you have a perfectly viable option to go to.
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  Speaker 6: I would say he's a better option to go to
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  Speaker 6: than Matt Collins or Kyle Williams. I would absolutely think that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm with Fred on that. I think he's a better option.
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  Speaker 6: But it's not a perfect world. He didn't want to
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  Speaker 6: be here anymore. I don't think the Patriots saw it
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  Speaker 6: avenue for him to play or resign him in the future.
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  Speaker 7: I think it was kind of inevitable.
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  Speaker 4: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: My feelings of booty are well known on this show. Right?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: That's why I was interested in how you're going to react.
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  Speaker 7: The PU flag is at half-mast today.
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  Speaker 2: So call me a rube. Call me a layman. Call
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  Speaker 2: me someone who doesn't know ball.
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  Speaker 9: True.
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  Speaker 7: But I don't call you any of those things.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand why you can't have two wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: of similar skill set on the field at the same time.
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  Speaker 7: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Well, why can't he be as much a part of
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  Speaker 2: the offense as Matt Collins or Romeo Dobbs?
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  Speaker 7: Well, he's not as good as Romeo Dobbs. He's better
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  Speaker 7: than Matt Collins.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, but Matt Collins also knows his place. Matt Collins,
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  Speaker 9: I think, feels comfortable in the role that he's in
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  Speaker 9: on this team. Keyshawn Booty is in the last year
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  Speaker 9: of his rookie contracts and wants to hit the market.
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  Speaker 2: But why can't what Booty... Everyone said, well, you have A.J. Brown,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have Booty out there. Because they're too similar.
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  Speaker 7: Brown and Dobbs.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. Why can't you have two people with similar skill
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  Speaker 2: sets on the field at the same time?
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  Speaker 9: I guess, but like, then you have three guys. So
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  Speaker 9: then he would be the third guy on the field,
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  Speaker 9: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So you can't have a package for three wide receivers?
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  Speaker 9: You could have had a package for it.
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  Speaker 10: You can't just say what volume.
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  Speaker 2: What volume are you going to play?
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  Speaker 7: This is what we're getting at.
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  Speaker 6: You're resigning yourself to a very specific package of plays
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  Speaker 6: that might allow him to play, I don't know, 10
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  Speaker 6: snaps a game?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: That's not what he wants to do.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe I to me, I just feel like you
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  Speaker 2: could come up with something that would make him happy
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 9: I think you could come up with something. And I
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  Speaker 9: don't know if it would have made him happy.
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  Speaker 2: And and be good matches, you know, or mismatches for
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  Speaker 2: other defenses, you know, like. Oh, you can't have two
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  Speaker 2: 50-50 guys out there at the same time. Why not?
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  Speaker 7: I don't understand. You sound like you're making a Felger argument.
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  Speaker 7: Who's arguing that? All along, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, well, you just got this guy, so you can't
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  Speaker 2: use him. Why not? Why can't you use both?
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  Speaker 5: Because last year, he was going to play almost every down,
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  Speaker 5: and now he's going to become part of a package.
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  Speaker 2: But last year, he didn't play every down. He played
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  Speaker 2: a lot.
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  Speaker 9: He played like 56% of the snaps. I mean, I
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  Speaker 9: think the problem is 67, 67% of the snaps.
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  Speaker 2: I think the.
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  Speaker 9: Problem is, is like, how does he like, what's the
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  Speaker 9: volume of that role that you're describing? And is that volume?
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  Speaker 9: Are they on the same page? Like if he's playing
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  Speaker 9: a small, I think, I think he's.
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  Speaker 2: The third best receiver or was the third best receiver
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  Speaker 2: on the team.
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  Speaker 7: I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's probably fair, but, When you talk about
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  Speaker 9: the skill sets, like..
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  Speaker 2: Now, here we go.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Well, Fred, you have to have some sort of speed
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  Speaker 9: on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Proceed.
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  Speaker 9: Someone's got to be able to run by somebody on
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  Speaker 9: the field. If you don't have any speed element on
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  Speaker 9: the team, on the field, on a play, like..
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  Speaker 5: Easy to defend.
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  Speaker 9: We're easy to defend again. Like, it becomes a jump
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  Speaker 9: ball offense down the field and a compact offense in
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  Speaker 9: other areas of the field. So, like, the reason why
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  Speaker 9: Pop is playing... And Keishon booty is traded is because
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  Speaker 9: pop brings a speed element to this team that Keishon
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  Speaker 9: booty does same thing with Kyle Williams. Like those guys
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  Speaker 9: are valuable because of their speed. Now it's not everything,
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  Speaker 9: you know, speed isn't everything, but if you roll out a,
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  Speaker 9: a grouping, a three receiver grouping, that's AJ Brown, Keishon booty,
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  Speaker 9: Romeo Dobbs, Hunter, Henry, Ramond, Ray Stevenson, you're slow. You just,
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  Speaker 9: there's not a lot of speed on that. So if
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  Speaker 9: I'm a defense, I'm thinking like, okay, my safeties walk up,
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  Speaker 9: walk up the safeties, sit on all the underneath routes.
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  Speaker 9: If you get mossed on a 50, 50 ball, like
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  Speaker 9: we'll let them live like that. Like, so you're going
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  Speaker 9: to make an offense out of 50, 50 balls down
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  Speaker 9: the field.
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  Speaker 2: But why couldn't you have like, why can't you get
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  Speaker 2: creative and have A.J. Brown, Booty, and then Douglas underneath
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  Speaker 2: for a package of plays.
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  Speaker 9: Well, where's Romeo Dobbs factor into that?
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  Speaker 2: He sits because he's not as good as high-pointing a
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  Speaker 2: downfield pass as Booty.
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  Speaker 7: He's not?
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  Speaker 2: No. Have you watched practice? In the red zone, he's good,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm talking about deep passes. That wasn't what he
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  Speaker 2: did at Green Bay. Okay.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what to tell you.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I just don't really think there's an argument
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  Speaker 6: that Keishon Booty is better than Dodds.
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  Speaker 2: You just said that Booty is the third best receiver.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's two guys that are better than him
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  Speaker 6: that you want to take one of them off the
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  Speaker 6: field to do, like, just so we can get a
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  Speaker 6: package of plays for Keishon Booty.
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  Speaker 7: I don't really understand that. Plus, he's entering the last
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  Speaker 7: year of his deal. He's going to be gone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: So now you're just really hurting yourself for the future
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  Speaker 7: as well.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and is he going to be happy with it, too?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, did he really request a trade? Does he
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  Speaker 5: want to be here at some point during the season?
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  Speaker 5: Is he going to start to be like, okay, I
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  Speaker 5: know I was being a good trooper about all this, but.
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  Speaker 10: Now I'm not really playing. I'm not getting the targets.
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  Speaker 10: Drake has fallen in love with A.J.
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  Speaker 5: Brown, and he's already got 50 catches in the first, like,
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  Speaker 5: seven games. Like, you know, we've got to get this
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  Speaker 5: guy happy, or is this going to derail some of
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  Speaker 5: our locker room? I think he's a good player, but
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he's active.
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  Speaker 2: So if it's not working out by the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 2: then you get rid of him.
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  Speaker 10: But by that point, where are you at? What have
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  Speaker 10: you gained from it?
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  Speaker 2: What have we gained now? We got a seventh-round pick
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  Speaker 2: and a seventh-round player.
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  Speaker 10: Well, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Sixth-round player.
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  Speaker 10: But I look at it from the top. What do
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  Speaker 10: we get? We have A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Brown and Romeo Dawes. I remember that. Well, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 9: Be higher on Jalen Reed, I guess. I really like
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  Speaker 9: what he can bring to the table. I think it,
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  Speaker 9: you know, they really were missing like a bigger nickel
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  Speaker 9: that could play that position.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: You know, they could play in the box. I can
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  Speaker 9: play over the slot. I can cover tight ends that
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  Speaker 9: can play the run kind of like a linebacker and
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  Speaker 9: play the coverage kind of like a safety and do
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  Speaker 9: that sort of thing. If you're going to play all
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  Speaker 9: these offenses across the league that are going to play
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  Speaker 9: multiple tight ends and they're going to put bigger people
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  Speaker 9: on the field and and you're going to run three-corner
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  Speaker 9: nickel with Marcus Jones in the slot, it's Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 9: They're just going to hand the ball off and run
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  Speaker 9: it down your throat.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're going to sell me that what Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Reed brings to the team is going to be more
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  Speaker 2: valuable than what Booty could.
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  Speaker 7: Have, I'll wait to see.
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  Speaker 2: But that's an argument.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not saying it's going to be more valuable. I
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  Speaker 9: think defensively it gives them more flexibility to match some
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  Speaker 9: of those groupings because everybody's going to watch the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 9: Everybody's going to see that Kenneth Walker ran all over
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  Speaker 9: them out of the two tight ends, and they're going
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  Speaker 9: to play better teams this year.
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  Speaker 11: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: Again, if you're going to tell me that the value
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  Speaker 2: of Reed– will ultimately be more than the value you
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  Speaker 2: would have had with booty. That's an argument to have.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know if it will be more, but I,
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  Speaker 9: it's just different. Like it's, he plays.
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's different.
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  Speaker 9: Well, but like more, I, how are.
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  Speaker 7: We, don't ever say that. If she asked you that,
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  Speaker 7: how are.
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  Speaker 9: We gauging the value? Like, you know, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 9: like he's a safety, so we're not going to be
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  Speaker 9: able to sit here and say, okay, 500 yards.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously value is subjective, but you know what I'm, you know, let's,
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  Speaker 2: let's be right. You know, let's be honest about it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you can gauge someone's value to what he brings to
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  Speaker 2: the team. What did he do to help you win games?
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  Speaker 9: I think he's going to help because I, I think
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  Speaker 9: they've tried in practice going all the way back to
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  Speaker 9: the spring. First, it started with Mike Brown. Then the
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  Speaker 9: Mike Brown thing fizzled out. Then Del Pettis got his turn.
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  Speaker 9: And the Del Pettis thing, Del Pettis is a special
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  Speaker 9: teams player. Like I don't think Del Pettis is a
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  Speaker 9: guy that you want to build a package around on defense.
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  Speaker 9: So they've tried to experimenting with the third safety thing and,
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  Speaker 9: Then they tried experimenting with true base and having three
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  Speaker 9: linebackers on the field. Then Chad Muma thing fizzled out.
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  Speaker 9: So it was like.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying they addressed the need.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So there's an argument that I really didn't consider.
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  Speaker 9: Now, I would just say my whole thing is theoretical.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The idea.
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  Speaker 7: I like the, it certainly is.
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  Speaker 2: I liked it.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I watched the tape, Paul. So like you can.
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  Speaker 7: Say it's certainly, here we go. Well, no, because I
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  Speaker 7: would love to watch the tape. The guy didn't play.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: Well, he played like 170 snaps. He played two playoff
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  Speaker 9: games for Houston last year.
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  Speaker 7: Of his team snaps.
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  Speaker 6: Well, just to him, he got hurt twice. So I
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  Speaker 6: am willing to have an open mind as to what
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  Speaker 6: they got. I'm just telling you, they have a lot
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  Speaker 6: of people with, with Evan on this.
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  Speaker 2: The ball knowers.
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  Speaker 7: He's never done this.
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  Speaker 6: So if this is the guy that he actually is,
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  Speaker 6: every time he got targeted last year, the ball was completed.
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  Speaker 9: I looked at the stats, too. I mean, you can
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  Speaker 9: look at the stats, but like..
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  Speaker 7: He didn't play, and when he did play, he didn't
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  Speaker 7: play well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: And he was, as part of one of the best
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  Speaker 6: defenses in football, they went out of their way to
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  Speaker 6: replace him in his niche role.
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  Speaker 7: He was the fourth safety. He was going to get cut.
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  Speaker 6: Like that's why he got traded. Now, if he's what
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  Speaker 6: Evan's talking about, I absolutely see that value. I think
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  Speaker 6: everything Evan said about that third and that like the
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  Speaker 6: third safety as opposed to being Marcus Jones is the third.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of value in that. I
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  Speaker 6: absolutely agree with everything football wise. Evan just said, I
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  Speaker 6: am not going to tell you that Jalen Reed can't
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  Speaker 6: do those things.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 6: I'll wait and see when he comes here and how
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  Speaker 6: Mike Rabel and Zach Corr use him and see if
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  Speaker 6: he fits in.
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  Speaker 7: I have no idea about Jalen Reed.
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  Speaker 9: Fair enough. I've thought that that role is a missing
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  Speaker 9: piece in their defense.
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  Speaker 6: I agree.
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  Speaker 9: And theoretically... He can fill that role. And I think
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  Speaker 9: that his tape last year, even though limited, like I
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  Speaker 9: thought that he did a better job maybe than the
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  Speaker 9: stats tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Was Houston not using him the way that the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: might plan to use him?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 9: So Houston has Jalen Petrie, who's one of the best
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  Speaker 9: nickels in football. So he was ahead of him on
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  Speaker 9: the depth chart. They drafted Jalen Reed as kind of
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  Speaker 9: thinking that he could be a backup to Petrie because
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  Speaker 9: Petrie plays an extremely important role in their scheme. So
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  Speaker 9: they ended up doing that. They drafted the kid out
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  Speaker 9: of USC, also had safety. They bought it in a
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  Speaker 9: free agent, Reed Blankenship. So this is a lot like
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  Speaker 9: the Patriots at wide receiver had insane depth. They had
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  Speaker 9: insane safety depth. And I don't, you know, what do
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  Speaker 9: you have made the team? A lot of their roster projections,
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  Speaker 9: we went through them on catch 22. A lot of
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  Speaker 9: their beat writers thought that he was going to make
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  Speaker 9: the team Jaden Reed.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 9: That's where we're at with him. Like again, it's, he's
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  Speaker 9: the second year player that hasn't played a ton of
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  Speaker 9: NFL football. So it's theoretical. It's a projection of the player,
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  Speaker 9: what he can become. But I think the role itself is,
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  Speaker 9: can be extremely valuable because this is what teams are
• 14:17
  Speaker 9: going to do. They're going to just put bigger people
• 14:19
  Speaker 9: on the field and they're going to try to bully
• 14:21
  Speaker 9: the Patriots. And they have to have somebody that can
• 14:24
  Speaker 9: play that role that can help them that.
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm picking up everything you're putting down where
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: they're stuck in nickel.
• 14:29
  Speaker 10: And it's not only just being stuck in nickel.
• 14:31
  Speaker 7: I'm with the football part of it.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I'm absolutely with it.
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: Well, we've got to see on him. I mean, you know,
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: he's played in the box a little. I mean, he
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: played in the back a little. But, you know, I
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: just think they've been stuck in nickel. And not only
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: stuck in nickel, but stuck in nickel with Marcus Jones
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: as the nickel.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:44
  Speaker 10: And if he possibly becomes.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: A suitable third compliment to Craig Woodson and Kevin Byard,
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: then I think it's a really good move. We need
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: to see it. We need to see them come here
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: in this system and do it. But everything Evan said
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: about how they've cycled through safeties and coming into this,
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: we were like, they might be stuck in nickels. Some
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: of this depth has to emerge. What's been the theme
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: of the preseason? They don't have any depth. Nobody's really emerged.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: That third linebacker hasn't emerged. The third safety hasn't emerged.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: even the fourth, fifth corner is still a battle to
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: the death. So if this is possibly an answer to
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: one of those questions, I like it, but we'll have
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: to see.
• 15:17
  Speaker 10: And it's going to be one of those things. We'll
• 15:18
  Speaker 10: wait till a game and he's going to get out there.
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: And I like it because I just didn't see an
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: avenue for booty to play. And if you can somehow
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: have the potential to fill a role like Mike and
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: Evan are just talking about, I think it's worth, you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: rolling the dice for rather than just waiting.
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: It out and getting nothing at all. To me, that
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: at least there's a chance that you got something that
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: can help.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, that's the most compelling argument is that
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: what he is projected to do this year would hold
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: more value and is actually more realistic than what. booty.
• 15:52
  Speaker 9: And it's not just this year, it's three years.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: You know, he's got three more years on his rookie contract.
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: So if he ends up being a player that can contribute, well,
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: you have them for three years now on that rookie contract.
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: So again, like Paul's right. He hasn't done much yet
• 16:06
  Speaker 9: in the league, but I think that the theoretical projection
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: of the player, it makes a lot of sense for
• 16:12
  Speaker 9: what they're missing on defense. And I just last year,
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: I don't think they played a lot of offenses that
• 16:17
  Speaker 9: could expose the some of the things that we're talking
• 16:20
  Speaker 9: about until they got to the super bowl and Seattle
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: had AJ Barner and Kenneth Walker and had that ability
• 16:24
  Speaker 9: to do it. we're talking about a much different schedule
• 16:28
  Speaker 9: this year. We're talking about a lot of teams that
• 16:30
  Speaker 9: have the capability of putting multiple tight ends here.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: The other team that could do it was Buffalo. I
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: was just going to say Buffalo did it a little
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: bit in December.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 9: So they like, they're going to be playing more Buffalo's
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: and Seattle's of the world this year that are going
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: to be game plan oriented and are going to say, well,
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: Marcus Jones, 180 pounds. And he's playing at the point
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: of attack. Like we're just going to run the ball
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: at these guys.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: It'd be interesting whether it's Elliot Wolf or Mike Vrabel to,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: to ask them if they'd answer honestly, how much do
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the big losses in a given season, you know, obviously
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Seattle and Buffalo, you had a 21-point lead or something
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: like that, and you lost it in the second half.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: How much do those losses dictate the personal moves you
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: make for the next season?
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: Well, I think with Brable earlier this summer, he rattled
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: off four of the losses off and said, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: kind of what the problem was in each of those. So,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: But I love Evan's point. I throw Chicago into that
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: as well as a team that's going to run a
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: bunch of creative stuff with a lot of tight ends.
• 17:28
  Speaker 10: So maybe it gives them some of that flexibility. And,
• 17:31
  Speaker 10: you know, again, I wouldn't be done.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Like, I would continue to kind of, you know, consider
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: the Shaq Thompsons of the world and, you know, the
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Daquan Joneses. Like, I'd keep that in the mix, too,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: to solidify the defense so they're.
• 17:41
  Speaker 10: Not just, like, stuck with, you know.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: And I love Marcus Jones.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: And I think, you know, in certain situations, he's physical,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: he's fast to the ball. But, you know, they have
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: to have some change-ups here on defense.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: So..
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I still love Booty. Bye-bye, Booty. I wish him well.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think that this kills the Patriots' chances to
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: be good this year in any way because I do
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: think they have really good depth at wide receiver. But
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I wish him well, and I know wide receivers. I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: think he's going to have a good career.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: So the big concern would be you get into October
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: and all of a sudden Brown and Dobbs are hurt,
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: and now you've got Mack Hollins and Kyle Williams out there.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: And you're like, man, I'd really love to have booty now.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: I'd love me some booty, you know, instead of instead
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: of that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: But yeah, but that's the only thing, Paul, that like
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: when I'm like, well, what is the best case scenario
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: for Keishon booty?
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: It's always going to start with.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: So if someone gets hurt, you know, like my my
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: the only thing I don't like about the trade is
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: that they traded them to a contender in the AFC.
• 18:46
  Speaker 12: Sure.
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: And I know that some people don't care about that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: Some people do. But if I had one nitpick about
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: the trade, I do not want to see Kajon Booty
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: in a playoff game, catch a touchdown pass against the Patriots.
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: I don't want to see it. Like I would have
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: much rather have sent him out to San Francisco or
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: Carolina or somewhere else.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I wonder like what the other offers were. And I
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: wonder if like, Maybe another team was willing to give
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: them a fifth-round pick, but no player. And they viewed
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: adding this particular player was worth taking a lower... taking
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: a seventh-round pick because we're getting a player of need
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: in an area of need.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Just as far as tilting it to the Houston offer,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: I think that could be a factor because you're offering
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: a player that maybe we liked coming out that we
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: think could find a role here and actually contribute to
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: us rather than another team who might have been offering
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: another cornerback that's going to enter the mix with a
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: bunch of guys.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So when I initially looked at the trade, I kind
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of discounted the player part of it. but you guys
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: have convinced me.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Me.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It's a great trade.
• 19:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: I didn't say that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: But you can see that it's not a player that's redundant,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: you know, or somebody that's like, well, this guy's not
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: going to have a chance.
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: Like, yeah, he'll have a chance. I don't mean a
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: worst case scenario. Nickel safeties are all over the league.
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: He's not as good as a lot of them. And
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: he's not there yet. I just mentioned Petrie, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: his teammate on Houston. Um, you know, obviously we saw
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: Nick and men worry, you know, up close and personal Hamilton. Uh,
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: he's not Kyle Hamilton. He's not Derwin. He's not Nick
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: and men worry. He's not Petrie. Uh, but he's in
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: the mold of those types of players. And if that,
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: if he gets there.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: I'm with you. I was more with you.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know where I am, though.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: No, like, I'm just looking at the paper. The player
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: on paper, to me, is a special teamer who might
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: have some upside Del Pettis. Like, he can fill in
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: maybe as sort of a quasi-linebacker, box-safety type guy that maybe,
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: if he grows into it, can build the kinds of
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: roles that we're talking about. I like the idea of
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: that player. I just don't know if he is that player.
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Well, and as they say, we'll find out, you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: Know, like those guys that we're talking about, the Kyle
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Hamilton's and the German James's and the Jalen Petrie.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: Completely different stratosphere.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Those guys are like, like first and second round picks.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Completely not six round picks.
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: Defense changing.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: No, not even close. And I'm not trying, I'm just
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: trying to compare the role. Not necessarily.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: No, no, I know that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: But the talent.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: But you can see how that skill set would fit
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: in well with Woodson and Bayard, who are both very
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: mobile and both, you know, very capable on the back end.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: You know, it just feels like yesterday we were watching
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: with Pettis in there that if that happened to be
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: the case, and I don't know with Woodson, he was
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: out there, you know, in a jersey, so maybe he's close.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: But I think you're going kind of to what we
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: talk about, more traditional, Bayard on the back end, and
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: you're going to put Pettis down in the box.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: You know, that might be what they're looking at.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: All right. In other news, the Patriots have their premiere tomorrow.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It's tonight. And we'll be announcing the Ron Burton Award.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: So as soon as that's announced at the premiere, we'll
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: have that on Patriots.com and Patriots Social. So that's always
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a great award. It's it's it's a prestigious award for
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: this organization. It's the person who did the most in
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the community or made the most impact in the community
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the prior year.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: So.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: We'll see who that is. Players that get it are,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know, they really value getting that award. So it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: a big deal.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: What else? What other news do we have? Patriots will
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: be traveling tomorrow to Cleveland. This is a busy day today.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, we should mention that, right? I mean, Elliot
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: Wolfe is going to meet with the media, you know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: 145.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: Are we going to take that live? The end of
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: our show.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Alex.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You don't know.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: So we can effort that, you know, maybe.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Why don't we take 145? Why don't we take Elliot
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Wolfe live when he does that?
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Sounds good.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: And then after practice, Ryan Cowden is going to speak
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: to the media. You know, we'll have access. This will
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: be our last full practice that we get to watch,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: although I will not because I'm going to Felderman Mass, but.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That's a separate.
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: I'll fill you in.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: He was pretty upset about it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: He was like, I can't believe I got to miss.
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: I want the record to show that the only one
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: who hasn't missed a camp practice is this guy right here.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: Score one for me.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: This would be my second. Well, I'll see a little
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: of this one. But I did miss a walkthrough early
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: in camp. And among the players scheduled to meet today
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: is Christian Gonzalez.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: He's one of the, I don't know, four or five players.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Which we should just mention, if people haven't heard, he
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was back at practice.
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: Back at practice yesterday.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Full participant, too.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Not just back out there. He was full go. Individual periods, 7-on-7, 11-on-11.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: So what does that mean? It means he's healthy. That's
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: all we know.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That's all we know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Well, it's him, Douglas Raritan. John Saunders Jr., the training
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: camp interception machine, and GVR, as we're calling him, Greg
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Van Roten.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: I like how.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: You have to think about that as you say his name.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: I thought Van Roten looked pretty good for a guy
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: that probably has been sitting on his couch and waiting
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: for a call the last couple of weeks. I thought
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: yesterday was the first time we got to see him
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: play in all three spots inside.
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: Getting him up to speed quick.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Rotating with the ones.
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, some one-on-one snaps at center that I thought went
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: pretty well. So I was, you know, positive takeaway from him,
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: which they need him. They need him to be a
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: serviceable backup, and at least yesterday I thought that he
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: passed the first initial.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Why the late practice today?
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: Just to get ready for a late game?
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: For the premiere.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: You don't want the players, because the players all have
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: to be here tonight, so you don't want them here at,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: you know, Oh, 7 o'clock in the morning to 10
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: o'clock at night.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: So they came in a little later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: That would be my guess. You know, I shouldn't say
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: that with authority. That would be my guess.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: That would be my guess.
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: That seems like a good guess.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: Back in my day, we had double sessions.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're here in the morning, in the night,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: it doesn't matter.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Mike Vrabel said, you know, 10 straight days of double
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: sessions is probably the best way to prepare a football team.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: Good.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Anything else before we open it up?
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: I will say, Fred, you mentioned the rivalries uniforms, which
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: another eight came out. But Patriots is that the Patriots
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: announced they will be wearing their rivalries against the Bills
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: here at home this year.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: December 6th, I believe.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: Huge game.
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: I have a gripe about this. Why aren't the Bills
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: also wearing their rivalry jerseys? Because the Bills have the
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: iced out white rivalry jerseys. And we obviously wear the blue.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: So it works. I actually think it would look pretty sick.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to wear your rivalries at home so
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: people can march into the pro shop and buy them?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: They're here, though.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Why don't they wear their rivalries at the same time
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: rather than just the Patriots?
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: I want the Bills to wear the iced-out rivalries against
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: the Patriots, the Storm Blue, and we have a rivalry game,
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: and it's rivalry on both sides.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. I think the idea is you wear
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: them at home.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: I don't like it. Because the Rams and the 49ers
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: are wearing them against each other.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, are they? Yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: Oh, so they can do it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Well, they're both West Coast.
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: Or it's Rams, Seahawks, one of those. One of the
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: NFC West teams are wearing them against each other.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: It's weird because I don't know what the protocol is for, like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: what color scheme you're supposed to go with.
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: So some of them are blackout. Some of them are whiteout.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: You don't know for sure if they go against each other, like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: if they would work.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: But don't you think the Bills and the Patriots don't?
• 26:15
  Speaker 14: I do.
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: But, like, didn't the Dolphins kind of have a whiteout
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: last year?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: No, they did blackout, didn't they?
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: I don't remember.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so December 6th is when the Patriots are wearing
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: their rivalries.
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: Barth very offended by the Jaguars.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Which I believe are the best.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I haven't seen the new rivalries. Any good? Any
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: good ones?
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll speak for myself. I like the Bears
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: and the Packers. They did something a little bit historical
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: connecting to their past. The other ones didn't really move
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: my needle as much. But, you know, Colts had blackout again.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Or the other ones.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Jags kind of stuck with their color combination. Nothing too exciting.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars have leopard print on their pants.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's bad.
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: And Barth was not into it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: It looks sexy in a bad way. It's like leopard
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: print on their pants.
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: They look like a..
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: 50 year old housewife.
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: It is.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: But I was like, I was looking at it and
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I was like staring at him like, is that like.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: He made it out to be like they were wearing
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: like cheetah pants. And I was like, and I looked
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: at it and it's like, it's pretty subtle.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: It is subtle.
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: But once you notice it, I couldn't look away.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I was like, is that like a Animal print.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: All right. Okay.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: I'll see these when they wear them in the games.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: 855-PASS-500 is the hotline. Phones are stacked, so let's go
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to Nate in Connecticut. Nate, we can hear you. All right, good.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: How are you guys doing today? Good.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: All right, good to hear, good to hear. So I
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: already called in on Catch-22 and gave my thoughts on
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the booty trade. Obviously, I don't like losing a player, but...
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I think this is the kind of thing that had
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to happen in the crowd.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: According to these guys, we also gained a player and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a very valuable one.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Stud.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: But shifting the focus to a different player.
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: I'll wear that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 16: I've been hearing some stuff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: That Trevion Henderson is a little banged up. I think
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like a lower ankle or leg injury. What do you
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: guys know about that?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know what I know about that, but
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: let me tell you something. This really pissed me off.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Certain people in the media tweeting out that there might
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: be something wrong with the practice field, and that's why
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: he slipped. Yesterday's weather, I was driving in, there was
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: fog everywhere. Everything was wet. So it wasn't like they
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: over-watered it. Everything was wet. It was really low fog,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you know, like you're driving around and you're on waves
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and you get the fog warnings. That was all morning.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised that the field was wet.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And nothing to do with they're not keeping the fields right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: And that was the insinuation from certain people.
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying that they did anything wrong at all.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: People insinuated that. I didn't.
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: We were all like, this is not.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I was scared.
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: Drake did a handoff.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it's scary.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: But it was an issue with the field yesterday. They're
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: on the offensive. It was wet.
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: That was a good way to put it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: I've seen the field wet many times. I don't think
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: it's a coincidence that they're not practicing on that field today.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they haven't practiced on that field yet so far.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They've used that field plenty up to this point.
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: I think not since minicamp.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Correct. As Ramondre Stevenson said yesterday.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: They let the Eagles use it, though. It was out
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of the ordinary moist yesterday because of all the fog.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Was it or wasn't it? I wasn't.
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: I didn't drive it in fog, but I believe you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: I'm not trying to make a thing out of it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: I'm just telling you what I saw.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know if I'm fog. I'm just going by
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: what I saw at practice. Guys were having a hard time.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: It was soaking wet.
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: To the point where I thought maybe they gave them
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: the wrong cleats or something like that because guys were just...
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: They had to move. They were doing one-on-ones. I was
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: watching it down on the far end, and they had
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: to move multiple times because guys coming off the ball
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: were falling flat on their face.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've watched practices on the upper practice fields
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: actually in the rain. and not seeing guys slipping and
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: falling like that. I don't know if it was an
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: issue with their cleats. Maybe they had the wrong cleats on.
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: That's what I was thinking.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: There was a difference between the upper fields and lower fields,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: and they didn't adjust for that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: But there was an issue with the footing yesterday. Well,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I could see, because it didn't rain. It was just...
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: It was just fog and it was just moist.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: And there were chunks of turf coming out.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Your car is soaking wet. Morning dew. I can see
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: them coming out with a certain cleat because, oh, it's
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: not raining. But the field was wet.
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: There was an issue.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it was, but my guess is that, again,
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: this is another one. I'm not trying to speak from authority,
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: but the practices you guys said are on the upper
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: fields again today. Yeah.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: So..
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: My guess is that had something.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: To do with it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: It was like, okay, enough grass talk for me.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: Well, just to respond to this question, though. But Travion Henderson, yeah,
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: go ahead.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Chris Price had, according to a league source, Travion is
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: getting some precautionary tests done on his right ankle, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: is walking and moving fine, described as a lower ankle
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: issue he sustained after slipping on the turf during practice
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: on Monday. So it doesn't sound like it's anything major.
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, lower ankle, fine. High ankle, not good. So if
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: it's the lower ankle, usually those are minor issues.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of Trevion, I was seeing on ESPN,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: or might have been NFL Network, they had their fantasy
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: rankings of all the players by position. And Trevion was
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: ranked one slot higher than Ramondre.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: These fantasy people, man.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: The fantasy crowd loves them. No, they do.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: But they live in a bubble, it seems like. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: it's even, like, relating to, like, the Keishon booty of
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: it all. It's like the people who have been at
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: every single training practice will tell you, exactly how Keyshawn
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Booty has done, what he has been, and we'll also
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: tell you how much Travion Henderson has done, which, same
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: thing as last year, right?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: They don't watch the games. They just look at stats. Oh,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: we had some explosives.
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: It's all about Ramondre.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I would not draft Travion Henderson before Ramondre.
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: The Travion Henderson... Like it's almost becoming like almost unfair
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: to him because the fantasy people prop him up so
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: much as this like Jameer Gibbs, you know, type of
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: fantasy back that like everybody just thinks that he's going
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: to have like 1600 yards. And it's like we keep
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: telling you that this is a platoon and that he's
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: probably the second fiddle in the platoon and not the
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: lead back in the platoon. And like these fantasy people
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: just like don't want to hear it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: And with Henderson, I would stay with the stuff that
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: we talked about last year. And I think he's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: little on the smaller side. I don't think he makes
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: a lot of people miss. I think he invites contact.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: That's the way he runs. He runs with some power
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: for a smaller guy. And I think when that's the case,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: you want to make sure you keep his touches in check.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think you want to you know, run him
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: 350 times between the tackles and wear him down.
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: I don't think his body's built for that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: It's at Ohio State, too, with Quintan Junkins coming in.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: You know, and they were missing Lane Larrison and Jan
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Miller yesterday at practice, so you're down to four running
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: backs going into this last game, which I don't expect
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: to see.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: And then he slipped on the field and left practice.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: So now, you know, I don't want to see Ramondre
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: on Thursday night, so are we talking about Haskins.
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: And Haskins about to get 25 carries in this game?
• 33:14
  Speaker 17: Right, right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Good luck, kid.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Don't drop it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Herm's in D.C. What's up, Herm?
• 33:20
  Speaker 18: Can't wait.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: What's going on, gentlemen?
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: Hi.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Hi.
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: Um, so two quick questions and then I'm going to
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: shut up and let you guys do your thing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 19: So my first question is actually about the wrong.
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: Defense, right?
• 33:34
  Speaker 15: And, um, my question is, are we sure that we're
• 33:38
  Speaker 15: not going to miss Tonga? Um, I think, um, might've
• 33:43
  Speaker 15: been either Fred or Paul didn't seem too concerned about it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Um, not have him talking anymore. So that's my first question.
• 33:51
  Speaker 19: And my second question slash comment is initially when I
• 33:56
  Speaker 19: saw that the, um, we trade, I was going down.
• 34:00
  Speaker 19: I don't think, I mean, I was, I'm fine with
• 34:02
  Speaker 19: him getting traded. Don't love it, but I thought the
• 34:04
  Speaker 19: return was a little meager, but listen to you guys,
• 34:08
  Speaker 19: especially to Evan at the beginning. So I guess I'm
• 34:10
  Speaker 19: starting to come around a little bit. Um, I'll guess
• 34:13
  Speaker 19: the only, my only gripe will be maybe they could
• 34:17
  Speaker 19: have addressed, uh, trade for like an edge guy versus
• 34:22
  Speaker 19: looks like it's another safety because I don't know nothing
• 34:24
  Speaker 19: about General Reid but those are two things I have
• 34:27
  Speaker 19: for you guys today. I love the show.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm excited to listen.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Herm, I would imagine if there was an edge of
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: almost equal value to Reid, I think they would have
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: gone the edge way but I don't think there was
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: one out there being offered.
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that would be my guess is they took the
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: best player that was being offered. But I do think
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: that you felt Tonga and not necessarily Tonga, but that
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: type of player. I still have my reservations about whether
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: Corey Durden is really a nose tackle. I still don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: know if that's really his best position, the best usage
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: of Corey Durden and that other group of Farmer and Gregory.
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: Those guys haven't really popped to me. I don't feel
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: like they..
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I forget who it was. I don't know if it
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: was Vrabel. But somebody referred to our defense as a
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: base 3-4.
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: When they're in pure base, they are a 3-4. But
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: they play so much nickel that they play a lot
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: of 4 down front.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Most teams... Yeah. Play more nickel than not.
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: They they're they're in like a base in like a
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: true nickel. The majority of the time, like 70 percent
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: of the time. So in nickel, they play four down
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: fronts with four down defensive linemen. But if they put
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: base defense on the field, who is the nose? Durden.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: They, they're going Draymond Jones, Millen Williams, Durden, Barmore, Elijah Ponder,
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: whoever the other guy is. So that, that's a question mark.
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: And I think the Eagles kind of exposed it to
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: the Colts exposed it a little bit. And then the
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: Eagles like really opened up that can of worms. in
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: the joint practices last week so uh i don't know
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: if it necessarily had to be tonga but like somebody
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: in that same body type same kind of player just have.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: A change up a little bit to be able to
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: throw some size and just to put your foot down
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and say okay you're not going to run on us
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: anymore like we're going to go heavy we're going to
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: stop you from running on us go to the air.
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: Feels like they're going to be a boomer.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Bus run defense huh i heard you i don't know
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: where like Millen Williams and Barmore and those guys are
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: going to make plays on the other side of the
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. But then like when they're not making
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage,
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: you worry that it's going, you know, gash the other direction.
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: So we'll see.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Emails are pouring in at podcast at Patriots dot com.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: George says, hopefully this isn't the case, but what would
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: they make? What if they made this trade? Because Woodson
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: is a little more banged up than we know. I
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: think I heard Coach said yesterday that he wasn't practicing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: It's possible.
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, he was out there.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: He had his jersey on. I don't know what that means, Paul.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not concerned about him at all. Seeing him just
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: around is a good sign. But it would be a
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: major blow.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Rabel earlier in camp said when you see guys out
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: at practice, that's generally an indication that they're closer to returning.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: That was the first practice that he's missed, and we
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: see him out there. Not only out there, but he's
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: in uniform. He wasn't in pads. And he's doing his
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: rehab right there in front of all the media. Again,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Mike's right. We can't rule it out because we don't
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: know exactly what the deal is. But I'm not overly,
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think this has anything to do with Craig Woodson.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I think it has something to do.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: With Del Pettis and Mike Brown, as Evan talked about earlier,
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: and those kinds of guys.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Well, the theme of the week is depth. And this
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: seems like. you know, you hope so. You know, you
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: hope so.
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: And the head coach says they have no depth and
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: that's going to be the theme.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I just, I just don't want to see a Dell
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Pettis and this new guy, Jalen, like Spider-Man memeing each other.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: And like, yeah, we're both kind of like, eh, fine
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: box safeties. Like, you know, that then to me, it's
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: just kind of.
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: I don't know if I think he's better than Dell Pettis.
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: Cause I don't really think much of Dell Pettis on defense.
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: I think this guy can play defense. I don't, Dell
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: Pettis to me is, A special teams player.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Matt and Callie, Jalen Reed seems to be a player
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Texans fans like. I was wondering why do we have
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: another safety when we could have gotten an edge from
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: them on their deep depth.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: I think that they, unlike safety, they do have some
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: young players at the edge position that they're willing to
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: invest in and maybe try to get them to play.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Whereas at safety, I don't think you have really anybody
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: with potential.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: You kind of know what Del Pettis is.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Is he going to suddenly make a leap and be
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: a defensive player?
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: That's maybe a stretch.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Jack and Ann Abba, Fred makes a fair point. Why
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: can't the Patriots have two similar receivers on the field
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: at the same time? Does this question suggest that perhaps
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Booty was going to express dissatisfaction in the locker room
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: with his reduced role? Did the Patriots trade Booty to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: preserve equanimity in the locker room?
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: I think that was a factor.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe. I think it was.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe.
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: I think that's a factor. I think they've been really
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: cognizant of culture in the locker room since Frabel got here,
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: and they want to make sure that 100% everybody is
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: pulling on the rope in the same direction. And I'm
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: not saying that he wasn't, because I think he was
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: a great sport about it all summer long based off
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: of everything that we heard from the coaches, but that
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: there was a possibility that it could get contentious down
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: the line if he's standing there on the sidelines every Sunday.
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: And so I think that that was a factor.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: And just to get back to the thing, Fred, that
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: you led with about the personnel groupings, and you're right,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: like you can have, you can use different receivers and
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: different personnel packages, but we keep saying, why can't we
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: have two?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It's three.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: So now you want.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: To get rid of that slot option if you want
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: to have Dobbs, Brown, and Booty on the field together.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: And that's okay. You can do whatever you want. There's
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: a lot of different teams that do it a lot
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: of different ways. I'm not telling you you couldn't do that,
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: but it's not just removing one guy from the offense.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: And I feel, maybe I'm wrong about this, we'll see,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: but I feel like Brown and Dobbs are better players
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: than Booty.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: I think those are better options. I think they're Both
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: of them are more talented and more versatile.
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: Certainly more productive.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's inarguable.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Nick in Ohio brings up a decent point. First of all,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: thought you had a great season. Second, do we think
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that Kayshaun and Drake had great chemistry and that elevated
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: each other because of it? I don't believe Stroud is
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: as accurate as May, and I wonder if it will
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: cause Kayshaun to have a slight decline because of that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I still think. He's a really good wide receiver, but
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I believe Drake elevated Hootie's play. I guess that's just
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: a wait-and-see scenario.
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: I think that's what you hope, though, right? And not
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: even just from Brown and Dobbs, but... Is Drake may
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: at the point where he's just going to elevate receivers
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: all the time. So like, he's going to make it
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: for everybody last year. He's going to make Matt Collins
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: look better than he is. And he's going to make
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: Kyle Williams look better than he is. So like in
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: that sense, it's just Kayshaun booty out in Kyle Williams.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I wonder how Kayshaun booty feels.
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: I don't, I don't even think of it as chemistry.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: I just think that their skill sets match up really well.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: I think Drake throws a great deep ball. And he's
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: willing to throw it up. And I think Keishon Booty's
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: one skill that is inarguable is that he's got good
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: hands and he can catch the ball down the field
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: tight quarters.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Ben, in California, let me rub my crystal booty. I mean, ball.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of cloudy overthinking, but ball knowing going
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: on and denial coping. Yes, I see it now. January,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: divisional round, Texans at Patriots. There's snow and freezing rain.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It's messy.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Booty makes the clutch play that knocks us out of
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. We all sob our way through the parking
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: lots in bone-chilling winds. Not even a piping hot bowl
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of legal seafood clam chowder can warm our souls. Will
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: this come back to bite us? That is the pointed
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: question I'd ask Wolf if I was Kraft.
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: How the hell do you know? That is my only
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: criticism of the trade. I don't love the fact that
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: they traded him to a contender in the AFC. That
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: scenario that he played out, that's in the realm of
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: possibility that he has a big playoff game against the Patriots.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: You say it all the time.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: I can't predict the future. I don't know what's going
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: to happen.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: That's absolutely in the realm of possibility, but... But I
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: do believe that was the best price though. Like if
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: that was the best trade on the table, then most
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: people would say you do it anyway.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: I do believe Drake may is like the piece of
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: this that I couldn't do without. Like all of this,
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: like the chemistry with boot, like I don't think it
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: was the part about booty.
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: I think it's Drake may.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Cause there's a similar connection that he had with digs
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: and Hollins and Douglas. Like the efficiency numbers were through
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: the roof last year. throwing to everybody except for Kyle Williams.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: And the only difference there, and this is not a
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: shot at Kyle Williams, I think he was 10 for 21.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Considering he was a spot player and only had 21
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: targets all year, and most of those were bombs, that's
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: not a bad percentage. Like, he had, like, three touchdowns
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: on those 21 targets. And two of them, at least
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: I could think of, like, the Giants and the— Ravens
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: were huge downfield throws. The other one was a shorter
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: throw that he caught and ran against Tampa.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: But this is about Drake May.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Now, what I would worry about from the Patriots' side
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: of this, Evan and I had a little talk about
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: this this morning. Mike, you were a little late getting
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: into this. I didn't even see you this morning. I
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: don't know how realistic it is to expect Drake May
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: to complete 70-plus percent of his passes, throwing it as
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: far downfield as he you know, quite frequently did.
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: Led the league in ADOT, right? Did I use that right?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You did. ADOT.
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: Good job. He did that off the air, too. I
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: was like, whoa.
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: He's got the ADOT down.
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Ball, ball, no.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: So, but in all seriousness, doesn't there, like, kind of
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: a regression to the mean? Like, and I know what's
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: going to happen. It's going to be, everybody's going to
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: lose their ever-loving minds because Booty's not here anymore, and
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: that's why it's happening. But it was unrealistic that, to
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: expect booty to catch every one of those one handed
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: contested passes this year.
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: If he stayed right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Like I'm not telling you that he wouldn't have, cause
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: I'm not telling you he's not a good player. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: do think he's a good player, but there was like
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: three or four of those catches don't happen next year.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: And his numbers look entirely different. And they weren't just
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: routine plays. That one-handed catch against.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: Houston was remarkable.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: There would be nothing that Keishon Booty did wrong to
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: not catch that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: Isn't that the biggest fear about the season as a whole? Yeah. 72% completion,
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: that's not going to happen again, especially against better teams.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: Again, when you're throwing it that far downfield, it's probably
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: not going to happen again.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: Now, if you adjust and you start taking the profits,
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: and that's why you maintain your high completion percentage, that's different.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: And maybe a little more opportunity for Kyle Williams now.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Maybe this helps his growth. This is a player that
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: you want long-term. You don't want him buried behind Keyshawn
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Booty through this season. And I think that they bring similar...
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: potential to the offense. It's going to look different. I mean,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Kyle Williams might run by a guy where his booty
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: might catch it. I'll tell you.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: One thing, Kyle Williams, if, if things don't work out
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: for him here, it won't be for a lack of
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the team trying to get things to work out. I
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: agree with that. Yeah.
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: No, a lot of Kyle Williams support, but I'm on
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: the coaching staff.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, it's the flags.
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: He's got a trick and he's very good at it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: You know, it's, and that's, Can you just continue to
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: unlock them with more opportunity?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Sean Mack and PA just want to say to the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: so-called fans, what kind of return were we expecting for Booty?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I think the Patriots will settle for a backup safety
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in seventh round pick if there was some, again, the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: wording here.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: Why think that? Yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Why would they settle for that if there was a
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: better offer out there?
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, I kind of agree with Sean there. People
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: are talking about edge rushers and, you know, higher. I
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: saw one local writer or media guy said he thought
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: they should have gotten a second round pick for him. Like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: do you honestly think if anybody was offering something like that,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: they took a backup safety in a future seventh?
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That 2008 7th round is projected to be really good.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: I also think it's going to be New Orleans' pick.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: Which, I'm making a better pick than it would have
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: been if it was Houston.
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: Maybe it'll be Julian Edelman.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Top of the seventh round.
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: Well, that's good.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: We're not waiting until the.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: End of the day.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: Brady was the sixth round pick. This is only one
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: round late.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: The 2034th round is supposed to be way up there.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Let's get it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: It's the 2028 seventh round pick, too, so it's really
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: like an eighth round pick.
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: It's really like an eighth round, yeah. I do agree
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: with the emailer, though. The market spoke on Keishon Booty.
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: He's been available for trade for two years, but also
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: in this offseason, probably months. And nobody was..
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Teams don't know what I know. That's the problem. You
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: might be right.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: I've been telling them, but they're not watching the show, obviously.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: But the value is what people are willing to give
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: you for them. And the value spoke. This is not...
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: I think they held on to him as long as
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: they did because they felt like there was more value there.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: But unfortunately, no one gave it to him.
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: It's different when it's your draft pick. He rose from
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: the ashes here. He developed... From a guy that was
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: in the doghouse his rookie year to a guy that
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: was a productive player on a team.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: The other 31 teams don't care about where Keishon Booty's
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: journey has taken him.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Well, they're probably still working off his college scouting report.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: That's it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Were the fans out with the pitchforks after he didn't
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: get his foot in bounds that first game a couple
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: years ago?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Was everybody mad at him?
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: I feel like more mad at people for not playing him.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It was more that he was questioning it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: I think they were more mad at Bill.
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: Bill.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: For not for making that a critical mistake yeah i.
• 48:12
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• 48:14
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  Speaker 13: Just was asking, I think, Marcus about John Saunders.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:11
  Speaker 13: He seems to find the ball, and you've talked a
• 51:14
  Speaker 13: lot about the importance of turnovers and finding the ball.
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  Speaker 13: What have you seen from John, and how do you
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  Speaker 13: guys compete put it up on the board who's got
• 51:23
  Speaker 13: the most turnovers in camp like what does.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: That look like no john definitely has the most turnovers
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: this camp he's been balling out of control he has
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: a very like quiet confidence to him he doesn't talk
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: a lot um i've been trying to work on his
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: celebrations he does a little basketball thing which is pretty
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: cool but he doesn't say anything he doesn't have any
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: emotion when he catches interceptions uh but even in the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: preseason games he's been balling out uh so it's been
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: really good to see him because obviously you know a
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: guy like him who was i think he was on
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: the practice squad last year here and you know, fighting
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: for a roster spot, taking advantage of every opportunity that
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: he's getting. No, it's been really good to see. I
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: always say taking the ball away is something that you really–
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: you can coach. Some guys have it, but it's something that–
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: let me take that back. It's something that you really
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: can't coach. You know what I mean? Like certain guys
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: have it. You can, you know, get a key here
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: and there by film stay and stuff like that, but
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the amount that he's been able to get, that's something
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: that you really can't coach. He's a ball hog.
• 52:15
  Speaker 23: I didn't see him until he got out there. Having
• 52:19
  Speaker 23: Gonzo back at practice, how uplifting is that?
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: No, it's good. Our locker's next to each other and I,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: you know, just kind of briefly see him in the
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: locker room. I asked him, how's he doing? And, you know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: he was like, I'm going to that. I was like, okay, yeah,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: that's pretty good. No, I mean, it's always special to
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: have one of the better corners in this league to
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: have him out here with us. And obviously as we
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: start to ramp up, get into the season for him
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: to be able to go out there and then start
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: practicing fully, it was pretty cool. So excited about him
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: and being able to be healthy and be out there
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: and playing with us.
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Being his locker mate, do you see any frustration from
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: him over the state of his contract negotiations?
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: No, I don't see it. I think he's honestly handling
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: it as best as I can imagine anybody in his
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: situation is handling it. He's still, you know, obviously having
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: regular conversations in the locker room. Obviously, he's spent a
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: lot of time in the training room trying to get
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: back healthy. But, no, honestly, I've been seeing him be
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: his normal self. We all know Gonzo's not the biggest talker. So,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: you know, as we're having conversations, we're talking, but he's
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: not like in the locker room pouting or not being himself.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? So I think he's handling
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: it very well.
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: When it comes to John, what is it about his
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: skill set that puts him not only in position to
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: get all these turnovers, but actually to finish them?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Is it an intangible thing?
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: Is it like a traits thing?
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just think that he's very like, I
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: would say like, you know, you have certain guys that
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: they just kind of panic when the ball gets in
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: the air or when a certain situation. He's a good communicator.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: But I think he doesn't panic when the ball's in
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: the air. You know what I mean? I think he just–
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: he does a good job when the ball's in the air.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: He zeroes in on the ball and he catches every interception.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: He's caught, you know, interceptions in the post. He's caught them,
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: you know, in zone coverage and getting pass breakups in man. So, no,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's very– I mean, I'm almost saying it's
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: very unassuming. You know what I mean? Because, you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: when you see John, he's tall, whatever it may be,
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: but he has great hands. He has, you know, good
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: ball skills. So, no, I've been really impressed with him because–
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Like I say, he's very quiet, you know what I mean?
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: So you wouldn't see a guy like, oh, I didn't
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: know too much about him before I got here, but
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: I'm like, man, he's got like five, six interceptions, caught
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: one today. So, no, I'm proud of him for sure.
• 54:20
  Speaker 24: As someone who's been around the league for so long
• 54:23
  Speaker 24: and dealt with your contract situations, how much, if at all,
• 54:26
  Speaker 24: does that come up with Christian, given you guys are
• 54:29
  Speaker 24: next to each other in the locker room?
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think when I first got here,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: like in the spring, we were just kind of having conversations. Obviously,
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: didn't really know or don't really know how things go
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: you know just using myself for example um my contract
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: situation had got handled like right before like our conditioning
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: test so he's in a whole new territory of obviously
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: going into the season and obviously you know when you
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: got contracts probably of this magnitude you know they kind
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: of take a little bit of time um so it's
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: just kind of like there's not really too much advice
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: you can give a guy you know i mean you
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: could just if he wants to talk about it you
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: know i'm there for him to have conversations but Noah's
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: kind of one of those deals where, you know, him
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: and his representation and the team, they're handling it their way.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: But like I said before, I think he's been handling
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: it just as good as anybody could. You know what
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I mean? Like, this is a life-changing situation for him.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? I get it. You know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: it's ball and all this other stuff, but it's life-changing.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: I can only imagine there's probably some emotions and things
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: like that, but I think he's being a pro, you know,
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: he's being a pro about it. He's, he's still being
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: team first. Um, there's a lot of different situations going
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: on around the league and everybody has the right to
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: deal with their situation the way they want to. And
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's like a, Oh, he's wrong for
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: doing it this way, or he's right for doing it
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: this way is really just individually depending on the player
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: and the team and their representation. So, um, and I've
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: seen it all the different situations. I just think for him, um,
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: It just speaks to who he is and his character,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: just the simple fact that he wants to be out
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: there and practice and be with the team, regardless if
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: it goes down or not. I think that's pretty– just
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, I think that's pretty cool. It's pretty neat.
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: Kevin, obviously you've had more turnovers this summer in training camp,
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: or is that something that you can just click during
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: the regular season for you?
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, I definitely want to get more turnovers.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: I think– you know, I want to get a turnover
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: every day, honestly. But I will say I've had training
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: camps where I've gotten a lot of turnovers and then
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: getting to the season I had one interception. Then, like,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: last year in Chicago, I may have had– I think
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: I had two interceptions. And it was both during the
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: joint practices. And then I led the league in picks.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: So I feel like it's one of those deals for me.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: I'm just always focused on the process. It's not necessarily
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: more about the result, especially now coming into, like, a
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: new scheme a little bit. This defense is very particular
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: depending on situations, third down, different stuff like that. So me, honestly,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: trying to see what I can get away with sometimes.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, as you get to the game,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: situations are a little bit different. The quarterback's clock's a
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: little bit more sped up. A lot of plays are sacks.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: They're more happening. So it's a little bit different. But, no,
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, to your point, I definitely want to get interceptions.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: I want to get turnovers. But at the end of
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: the day, I'd rather get them in games than get
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: all my interceptions in practice. But, no, I mean, definitely
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: something I want to do. But at the end of
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: the day, I'm still confident in my abilities. And knowing
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: this defense, I'll be able to pick my spots and
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: get my turnovers during the season.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Kevin, obviously you weren't with the team last year.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: So, as someone coming in from the outside, what's been
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: your impression of the way this organization has tried to
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: pick itself up and move on from losing to Super Bowl?
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if they were– I haven't sensed, like,
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: the whole pick themselves up situation. I don't think anybody's,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: at least since I've been here, feeling sad or that
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: they lost. Obviously, it's disappointing, but I've always been under
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: the belief that at the end of the day, like,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: no matter– what success you had the previous year, like
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: you got to start all over. You know what I mean?
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Like you got to build a foundation back up. You
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: don't really create or keep any momentum from the previous year.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: It's a whole new locker room. It's new guys on
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: the team. We got to build our own culture, our
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: own chemistry. And so we're still in the foundation building process.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like I think that's been
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: the special part about it, that we're just more focused
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: on this team today. And I understand that. there's always
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: going to be that comparison from last year and like, oh,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: you won this year. So the expectation is automatically here
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: that you got to win a Super Bowl guaranteed. It's
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: like the expectations need to be tapered, just in my opinion.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: It's not just because of what's been going on during
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: training camp. I just kind of understand that it's very
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: challenging to be able to get back there. And so
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: I think if anybody is leaning on the fact that
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: we was there last year, that means we should get there. No,
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: that's not how it works. Like we got to continue
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: to put in the work and not worry about what
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: happened last year. Just focus on now, focus on the day.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: And I think that's when we've been more focused on versus,
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: you know, this team from last year and how they
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: played and the type of group that they had. And
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: we're not trying to recreate that magic or nothing like that.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: This is a whole new situation with new guys, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: we're going to have to win a different way than
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: probably they won last year. So I think that's what
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: we've been more focused on.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Mike had said that the Stars may not play Thursday.
• 59:06
  Speaker 23: Are you okay with that as a starter, just what
• 59:09
  Speaker 23: you get out of it?
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Practices? Yeah, I'm okay with whatever the head coach wants
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: to do. I mean, I've had training camps where I
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: played in every preseason game. I've had some where I
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: played in two, played in one. I've had some where
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I played with none with Mike. So, you know, every
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: year is different. You know what I mean? Like if
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: coach choose to play us for a whole half, then
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: I'm with it. You know what I mean? Like you
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: kind of have to pair in that way. As a veteran,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: you know, sometimes you want to kind of go in
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: there and get a little contact, you know what I mean?
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: But I'd rather save my body, you know what I mean? Like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's really, I mean, I'm a player,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? At the end of the day,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: if it's green grass and it's white lines out there,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: let's go out there and ball, you know what I mean? Like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: I don't care if it's three players or if it's.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: 30 plays. I'm going to go out and try to
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: play my hardest. But at the end of the day,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: that's just what pros are. You know what I mean?
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: You get no preseason, so what? Go out there. You're
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: still expected to make every tackle, make every play. That's
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: just kind of the game that we signed up for,
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: and we're going to be judged accordingly. So, nah, like
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: I said, however the coach feels about, you know, us
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: playing every game, that's kind of where I'm at with
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: it as well.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 18: Yeah, of course.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: It's Legal Seafood's Fresh Take of the Week. Da-na, da-na, da-na.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 10: Mmm, yummy.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Mmm.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: That was pretty good.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: I don't even know how to respond to that.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: But I'm going to give you a fresh take anyway.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Here it comes.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: You know, for our pals at Legal Seafoods.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: I just got a feeling, and this is one, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: I just want to state up front, this is not
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: any inside information. I'm just going off of what I'm seeing.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: I think Christian Gonzalez is close. The signing is close.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: He comes back to practice on Monday. He's pretty much
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: a full participant, so we know he's healthy, right, because
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: he was out there doing 11-on-11 stuff. He's scheduled to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: talk later today. We're going to hear from Elliot Wolfe
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: and Ryan Cowden. Fred, what did you call yourself earlier?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: A Rube?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a Rube.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: Call me a Rube. I'm going to fall for this one.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: I think Gonzalez is close.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: That's certainly a fresh take.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: It's a good take.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: It's certainly fresh.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: It could be so fresh in maybe 44 minutes.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: That's a lobster roll and clam chowder take right there.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I'll take it.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: Fingers crossed.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I'll take your word for it.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: It'd be great to cross that off the list right
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: now and get into the season, you know, regular season,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: not have to think about Gonzalez booty. Uh, we're still
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: working on K back. It's a little bit, but those
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: three questions have at least been answered.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: All the, all the business would be done and we
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: can just focus on the Seattle Seahawks and football.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: So I know you guys are up in the press
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: box during the game. I'm working during the, but you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: had a shit. Did you get any feedback from the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: press core on, The clam chowder. Oh, it's a rave reviews.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: And they finally realized that they weren't eating legal seafood
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: up until this year.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: Well, we got a little gift, too, from our friends.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: At Legal Seafoods.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: Which I already used.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Literally, we got it Saturday night, and we went right
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: to Legal Seafoods the next day.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: Oh, sorry, Paul was in the Bob's Disco Furniture studio.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: So he didn't get it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: Stacey's handing out gift cards to everybody at Legal Seafoods.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: Santa Stacey came around.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: And not just like six bucks, like $ 50 gift cards.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Stacey's.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: So, uh, great.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. It's the same. We weren't sure.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: It doesn't really matter that I wasn't there. I wouldn't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: have gotten one anyway.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: We never weren't sure.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: We're like, I don't know.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: We saw him going around and even when he came up,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: there were like a couple left, but we got in and, uh, yeah, we,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: the next day went to legal seafood, had a wonderful lunch, uh,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: as always.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: So it was great.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: But also a great display for it. I'd say the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: clam chowder. Now we've, And lobster bisque.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: You remind me of Elaine Bennis every time you say,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: I had the bisque.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did have the bisque.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: I'm going to work it into the lineup this year,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: I think. You know, halftime chowder. So if I gain
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: a few LBs, that's why.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: But it'll be worth it.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: As soon as Stacey came around with our gift, I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: texted Jess right away. And she was like, I'll look
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: at the menu.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: So that was very nice.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Legals. Yeah, thank you. All right. Let's get
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: back to it here on Patriots Unfiltered, 855-PASS-500. And the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: email is podcast at patriots.com. Just a reminder, at 1345,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: we'll be doing live Elliot Wolfe. Military time.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: I think it's, I don't know. 1345 is how you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: just called it.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow at 0840. Speaking of the military, Matthew at Fort
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Leonard Wood in Missouri. I don't usually call or email in,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: but I did call a few weeks ago during one
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: of the training camp shows. I was on hold for
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: 30 minutes. Then Fred just ended the show without clearing
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: the phone lines. Figured I'd email this time. I graduated
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: from Air Force basic training about a month ago.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: Oh, congrats.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Basic training was the first time I had missed an
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: episode of the show in 10 years. I'm still working
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: on getting caught up. I have two quick comments, then
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: a request. First, I'm excited for A.J. Brown, and I'm
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: optimistic that he's going to take this offense to another level.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: This happened while at training, so I had to wait
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: for my parents to send me a letter to confirm
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: the trade went through. Second, I need to give Fred
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: his flowers. You'll never guess what brand of washer-dryer they
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: had at training and at my tech school. Yep, both
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: the Air Force and Army trust Speed Queen. As soon
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: as I saw that, I just had to let Fred know.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 10: You know, you know.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: But that makes sense to me.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: And you're doing mass.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Reliable.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: You need something reliable.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: That doesn't break down. Yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: That makes total sense to me.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Lastly, my request. How can I get one of those T-shirts?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Do I need to send a game for Paul and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: stump the grump? Or does being a loyal listener for
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: a decade suffice? Thanks for everything you do. And I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: look forward to another great seat. Let's get the man
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: a T-shirt, Alex. His email, Matthew. So you can ask
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: for his size and address and we'll get you a t-shirt, Matthew.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: So that was a good email because you mentioned Speed Queen.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: Sorry for leaving you on hold.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: Forever.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Spee and Fresno. Have we heard from him in a while?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 9: Keyshawn Booty Trade is now official, by the way.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 9: So we don't have to say reportedly a hundred times.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Do you think there's any false confidence stemming from a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl run on the heels of a soft schedule,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: or is confidence in this team justified by the roster
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: moves and progress in the Vrabel era thus far?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 10: Confidence? It's important to have when you're on.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Sorry, what are we doing, Reed? Listen, Bridgestone Tires.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: I think it's justified.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: All right, let's do it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: It's important to have confidence when you're on the road
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: with Bridgestone Tires on your car, truck, SUV, or minivan
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: you're riding on tires you can trust. Bridgestone Tires are
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: engineered to give you peace of mind so you can
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: focus on enjoying the journey. So whether you're on your
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: morning commute, a cross-country road trip, or a relaxing Sunday drive,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: Bridgestone Tires will be with you wherever life's roads may lead. Bridgestone,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: solutions for your journey, available now at Sullivan Tire.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Definitely a professional segue there.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: Well, I couldn't help it.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: Chris is thrilled.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: Do you ever notice every time Mike says tire, he
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: says it like he's in the NASCAR business?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Tires. Tires. Tires. He also has, over time, I'm sure...
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: you know, incorporated a lot of a Canadian accent. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: You know, you do. You have some.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: Are you a Hendrix Motorsports guy?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: What's that, eh?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: So you're like a chameleon. I love it. I speak Canadian.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I tend to do that, too. If I'm around somebody
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: that talks a certain way, I start to.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, eh?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 10: No, I spent some time in Canada. They definitely like
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 10: the A's.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: TJ's definitely getting a little drawl.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: You know, who was it?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: Was it Gabe Ackes? Gabe Ackes was talking. He's talking
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: about the organization.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: I was like. K-Back has got a little Canadian in.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Him, I guess.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: House.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: The Oregon House.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 9: Illinois, maybe.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never heard it. All right. Let's
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: get back to the hotline. Anthony is in Seattle. What's up, Anthony?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Hey, Fred, Paul, Evan, Deuce. How are my guys doing?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: What's up? We're doing good.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Good, good.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, today I'm Anthony in San Francisco.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 20: Oh, all right.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: Hey, we were there.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try not to get injured while I'm
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: out here.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 17: Good.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 14: Hey, um..
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to call in just real quick. There's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: another Anthony who's been emailing in really frequently, and I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: figure you guys probably know it's not me because I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: always make it a point to say Anthony in Seattle.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: But I was listening to Catch-22 last week, and Evan,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: you know, he goes, oh, I got an email from
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Anthony in Seattle, and I'm thinking, oh, maybe it's one
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: of my old ones that didn't get read. But no,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: it was somebody else, and they were praising Barth for
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: his punter hang time.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: Uh, takes.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: And so, uh, Hey, as much as I love Alex Barth, um,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I don't particularly care about the punch.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Or hang time. I would agree.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 10: Love bar.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Um, Hey, uh, speaking of Alex, though, another Alex, I just, I, she, uh,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: so when I was at the, um, joint practice, my
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: wife and I was there on, uh, on Wednesday and, uh,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: She came out and found us, and wow, she just
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: was so gracious with her time. She talked with us for,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I'd say, like 45 minutes. I was surprised. I kept
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: waiting for the Christian, all right, guys, but never came.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: There was no signs of her needing to move on
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: to the next thing. I mean, she was really awesome,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: and I just wanted to give her some public praise
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: and thanks for that. The last thing is I never
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: got my PU shirt, so still looking for that.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh, uh-oh. Did you take a picture with Alex?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I did, I did.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: All right, send it in. We'll put it in the newsletter. Nice.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I'll send it to you guys, and I'll email it
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: to the show right now.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Anthony, we couldn't get out there. She tried to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: get us out there, too, and we were busy doing
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: our wrap-ups and our ratings.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: And our videos and stuff.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we were actually on the air, and now that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: Alex doesn't come on the air anymore, I don't know
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: where she is. She obviously had 45 minutes.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: She's had a lot of different stories and community-related things.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: And Michael.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: Got one up on Aunt Michael. The girl's been turning
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: out content left.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 10: And right, so yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: Great stories from Cam.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 9: We were talking about on Catch-22, we were talking about
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: positions where they have depth and don't have depth, obviously
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: going off of Rabel's comments the other day. And I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: jokingly brought up Punter because they now have three. If
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: you count Baron Morton, they have three punters. And so
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: I was trying to like give Barth like time to,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: you know, flex his punter muscles. And he goes with
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: Baron Morton, totally serious. Could have been better.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: So I was on Sunday, right? So Alex was on
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: the Sports Hub Sunday with Andy Hart. So Andy had
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: asked me.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: Sunday kickoff.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: You know, if I had minded, you know, doing a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: quick phone hit. So, you know, I go on and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: we were, you know, laughing about Baron Morton. And I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: kind of indicated that the original thing, you know, stuff
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: that we talked about the postgame show didn't really pass
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: my sniff test. And then I was like, you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure Barth has the hang times for Morton's punts.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: He rattled him off.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: He rattled him off. And I was like, you need help.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: You absolutely need help.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: He said that it could have been better. And I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: was like, come on.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: That's how we ended. I go, yeah, we got to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: work on that plus 50 punting, Alex.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: And then he said that Vrabel said the same thing.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 9: I was like, yeah, Vrabel was busting balls. He obviously
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: knows he put the kid in a tough spot.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Poor Barthy.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: That Sunday kickoff this year, though, is at Barth and Andy.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: They do a Sunday kickoff show on the sports sub
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: that's the pre-pre-game show.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: It's like four in the morning?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: No, it's usually eight. I think it's eight to ten.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: Eight to ten, and then the pre-game show starts.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: They're going to try to get you on that, too?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: No, I'm on the real pre-game show.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: No, I'm on the pre-pre-game show.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're on pre-pre.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: And he rotates the call-in.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: How many pre-game shows do they have?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 10: Pre, the pre-pre.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: No, it is the flagship station. Why don't they just
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: have one show?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 9: They have Sunday kickoff with Alex Barth and Andy Hart.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: They have to fill the whole day.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: I know, but just rotate, just bring in, okay, we're
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: going to bring in now the new host.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: It's funny, like, the whole incestuousness of, like, our group,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: it continues. Like, you and Andy were together forever, and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: I did a bunch of stuff with Fitzy.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 10: Then we kind of swapped partners. Now, Evan, now Barth's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 10: going with Andy.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: It's always, this is weird. We're doing the post-game show.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 9: I think Don Darrow and Joe Murray are still doing that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: That's a tough listen.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 9: Uh, I think. I don't know for sure because Barth
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: comes to the games and he covers the games for them.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: But yeah, he does Sunday kickoff and he said it today.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: I guess that's now official that it's going to be
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: him and Andy.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: That Dundary is a little pitbull.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: I feel like Andy's going to..
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: He just latches on to something. He doesn't let go.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 10: Do you think Andy's going to needle Barth a little
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: bit on that show?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: Maybe a little bit.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you what he doesn't latch on to is
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: reality in any way.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Eric in Rochester, New York. I like Booty
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: as much as the next guy, but I don't fully
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: understand why so many fans are this upset over the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Booty trade, beside the fact that he is one W-A-R.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: They actually, some, I guess, wide receiver. Come on, guys. Proofread.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Over his career in New England, he has less than
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: 80 catches and 1,200 yards total. I get he came
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: up with some big plays. But can't that production be
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: filled by somebody else? During his three games he missed
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: last year, it's not exactly like the team's offensive production
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: went down.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: If Romeo Dobbs doesn't, at the very minimum, double that production,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: I'd be very surprised.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 10: Last time you saw, a lot of fans saw Booty.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: He was making great catches in the playoffs and contributing
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: to that playoff run.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 10: But just take it from us. If you're sitting out
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 10: there watching A.J.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: Brown and Romeo Dobbs in this offense now, you're kind
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: of like, yeah, Keishon Booty.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it, though, not to beat a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: dead horse, but A.J. Brown aside, if it's a big time,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: a big play needed in a big game, I don't
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: think there's anyone else who was currently on this team
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I'd want to throw it to other than Booty.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Well, I think Romeo Dobbs is developing the trust. The
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: last couple of weeks.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: That includes Hollins. Anyone that was on the team.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: I just felt like last year when they threw the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: ball to all the receivers, all the receivers caught it.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: Except for Kyle Williams.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: But I qualified that in a big play needed in
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: a big game. Crunch time. Yeah.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, he had a big, you know, he had
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: the big one in Houston.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: He had a good catch against Seattle.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: 33 passes.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: Like the big one in Houston. True.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 9: Pop Douglas also caught a fourth down play on Houston.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: Which I've pointed out many times, and I'll do it
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: again in about two hours.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 9: Kyle Williams caught the one in Baltimore, which is one
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: of the best plays of the season.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Everybody has caught some passes. But the efficiency numbers. Do
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: you agree with me?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: No, I don't.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: I'm saying the efficiency numbers for Drake May last year
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: were through the roof, regardless of who he targeted. I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: didn't feel any better when he threw the ball to
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: Booty than I did when he threw it to Diggs.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: You're in the huddle with last year's wide receiver lineup.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Diggs is hurt. Who are you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: going to fourth quarter? You need that touchdown.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: Last year?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: Booty would have been two.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: That's what he was. He was the second receiver last year.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. No, you said right now. But
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: now they have a different cast.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: So now I think in that situation, because I don't
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: know what Dobbs would do in that situation. I think
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Great playoff game against Chicago. I think he still might
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: be two. In crunch time, you've got to have it.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: I think Dobbs is a better player. I think Brown's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: a better player. And this might be a projection, but
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: I think Douglas is a better player now. Maybe he
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: wasn't last year. They were the same last year. I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: think Douglas has made a leap forward.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that. I mean, I just think it's
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: too sporadic from booty that you can't count on it. Like,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: you know, it's nice to chuck it up there. But
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: these are I mean, what is.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Always what else?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: Like for him to have a higher volume, he had
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: to develop more routes on his more branches on the tree,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: so to speak. Like he had one really good specialty,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: has one really good specialty. I feel the same way
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: about Kyle Williams. Like I know Kyle Williams can run
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: a go route. I don't know if he can run
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: anything else. And I think that's the big question with him.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: It was the same question with booty. Like, how do
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: you go from 33 catches to 60 is by diversifying
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: your repertoire, you know, having other routes, all three levels,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: you know, things like that. So far, at least booty's
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: only shown that he is really good at one thing.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: That's a good thing to be good at though.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Allen, Wisconsin, I don't think you need to worry about
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Booty catching a touchdown on us in the playoffs. He
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: might be a good player, but Stroud is still throwing
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: the ball.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: I hope Gonzo and Davis would know what he can
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: do and prevent that. I'm curious, Paul, taking out that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: you knew it was the right move, how did you
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: feel about Drew going to the Buffalo Bills?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: Oh, that was like someone gave him the first-round pick.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: I didn't have any issues with that at all. I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: think you go where you get the best... Now, you
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: can make an argument for this one. If you weren't
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: going to get anything for him, then you can find
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: someone to give you a seventh-round pick and a sixth-round pick.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: But that's Evan's point about Houston. I'm not a big
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: believer in that kind of a fear factor. I feel
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: like I would keep the guy if I really thought
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: he was going to be the difference between me advancing
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: or not.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Chucky in Wisconsin. What's up, Chucky? Chucky.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 17: Hey, guys, how are you doing?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 17: Hey, Fred, great news. One of my family members just
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 17: got a job at Speed Queen.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. So where are their corporate headquarters?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 17: I don't know about corporate, but they're in Ripon, Wisconsin.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 10: They have a friends and family discount, maybe?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 17: Might be 800 to 1,000 employees there.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 20: Nice.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: They do great work.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 17: Yeah, last great American company.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so..
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 17: Hey guys, uh, just my two cents on this whole, uh,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 17: patient booty trade, right? Uh, first totally respecting what Keishon
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 17: did for the team and that catch in the playoffs
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 17: and the snow was one of the more amazing football
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 17: plays I've seen in my life. Um, also respecting AJ
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 17: Brown and whoa, what a phenomenal athlete. And as a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 17: second tier Packers fan, um, I got to watch Romeo
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 17: Dobbs quite a bit last year. I wanted him to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 17: walk home from Chicago after the onside kick mistake. But
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 17: if we look back at the value of the trade yesterday,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 17: I guess my question is, if Kayshaun Booty was really
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 17: the number two option last year, up for debate, why
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 17: didn't the Patriots give him more snaps, more packages, And frankly,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 17: why would you have to go out and look for
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 17: Romeo Dobbs and A.J. Brown if this guy really was somebody,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 17: let's say, on the level of a second- or third-round pick,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 17: thinking of Matthew Judon and our most recent Patriots experience?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 17: So I'm just curious what you.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Guys think about that. Well, you lost Diggs, too, so
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: you had to replace that production.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, and I think he did have— Mike, if you're
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: looking it up, I think he did have the second-most
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: snaps ever.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said over 60%.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 9: I think he might have had the most. I think
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: it was him, Hollins, Diggs. Because Diggs, remember, was not
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: a full-time player, really.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: So the question to ask, and I was about to
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: start before we went back to the, you know, we
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: can talk about how he's the guy you feel best about. Well,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: Drake May only threw it to him 40-something times.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Chucky.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 7: So why was that?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: And a lot of those games early, they didn't throw
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: the ball a lot.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: But I keep saying the same thing. It's because he
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 9: has one trick. Like, what else are you going to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: throw him?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly. No, I understand. But in some of those early games,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: I think they threw the ball, like, under 30 times.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: Okay, but why did they throw the ball 60-something times
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: to Matt Collins and only 40-something times to..
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Boone?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 9: Because how many more times are you going to throw
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: him a go ball down the sideline?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 9: Whenever we had the conversations of how to increase... booties
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: but volume and get him the ball more it all
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 9: it always came back to with me is what other
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: routes on the route tree is he good enough at
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 9: to run that he can get targets out in those
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: routes slants in cuts crossing routes you know whatever but
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 9: like it was always a fate it was always a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 9: go or a back shoulder or something like that can
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 9: only throw so many of those like you're not going
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: to throw him 10 of those.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: Kind of a niche player he's good he's good at
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: that niche yeah And I like Booty. This is going
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: to sound like now that he's gone, that we're trashing him.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: And I don't think we are. But I understand that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: they looked at it and said, we need to be
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: better than that.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Matt Collins played 632 offensive snaps, 68%. Booty was second, 578,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: just behind him, 67. And Diggs was 566. Just 12
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: snaps behind Booty.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: So those guys all had roughly the same amount of snaps...
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: Yet Diggs was targeted a hundred times. Hollins was, I
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: think 67 and booty was 46 ish, 45.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: 46, 46 targets, 33 catches.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: If only I could harness this for good. Why is that?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: Like my question would be to Drake may like, why
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: do you, why did you feel like that needed to
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: be broken down like that? And I think Evan's got it. Like,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: He's not the guy that runs open all the time.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: He does kind of one thing really, really well, and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: it was a very valuable thing. He had six touchdowns
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: last year. It was a very valuable part of the offense.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: 17 yards a catch.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: I think that they feel like they can be better
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: than that.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: Or at least they can replicate that skill set with
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: Kyle Williams, which I think is..
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: You hope.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: I mean, he dropped to the guy in the third round.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: You hope that he can just catch 30 passes.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: But I'm looking at it as Dobbs is going to
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: more than double that production. And then you're going to
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: have the niche guy in Kyle Williams who can probably
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: catch three or four bombs for touchdowns.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: During the course of the season, like he did last year.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: You know, I mean, maybe it won't be six for
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: 17 yards a catch or 16 and change, whatever it was,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: but he might be able to give you that sort of,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: you know, once in a while, I look at Kyle
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: Williams as a guy who every game they're going to
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: send deep at least once or twice. And then maybe
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: every third game he catches one, you know, it's there.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: They might just run them deep and he might just be,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: you know, for the love of the game routes. And,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: you know, he's opening up stuff for everybody else.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 9: I think that's the biggest thing to, you know, to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 9: Fred's question at the beginning of the show, like, why
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 9: can't you have all three of these guys together and,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: those clear out routes are important. Like if you don't
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: have people that are clearing out defenders and stretching the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: field vertically, like that, that's, that's how you get the
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: guys who you really want to throw the ball to that,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: that gets those guys open. So, you know, having guys
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: like Kyle Williams, having even pop from the slot, like
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: those guys are running a lot of those types of
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: routes that are just kind of clearing space for the,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: where they really intend to throw the ball. And I
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: think that's a big part of it, too. But I
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: would like to think that Kyle Williams could replicate the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: production that Keyshawn Booty had last year. And if he can't,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 9: then that's not a great third-round pick. A guy that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: was drafted in the third round should be able to
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: give you four or five bombs a season.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Sabah in North Carolina, what's up? Hey, guys.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 25: Sorry I hung up earlier by accident. I kind of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 25: hugged my phone in it.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: It's all right.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 25: I'm sorry about that. Hey, I want to know how
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 25: to get on the T-shirt list. I'm wearing my I
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 25: Love Drake May T-shirt. I got my birthday last week.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 25: What's the T-shirt list? Like, I've been hearing some people
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 25: get T-shirts.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 16: Do I qualify for that?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Well, you've got to, like, have some amazing take or,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, something like that. You have to earn it.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: Okay, let me see if I can earn it now.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 25: They shouldn't have got rid of Booty or Diggs. I mean,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 25: I know it wasn't high volume, but the quality of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 25: what they did, they were like the glue to put
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 25: all the pieces together. Every time you needed a really
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 25: big place, Booty and Diggs seemed to come through, and
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 25: I'm mad that they got rid of both. Why couldn't
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 25: they instead get rid of wrong choice William? I don't
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 25: like him. I mean, and he's younger, and maybe somebody
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 25: would give us more for him than Booty. So did
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 25: you see if I said Booty? Did you notice I
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 25: said us?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 15: I said us.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 25: So I'm upset. Like, Drake May is a young quarterback,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 25: and he needs all the help he can get to
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 25: really stay successful like he's been. Why mess up all
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 25: the mojo? I don't understand.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 16: And why keep Williams?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 25: I don't even like Williams that much.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: You know me. Well, they like Williams.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 16: Maybe that's good.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they like his speed, and they like what they
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: think he can do eventually.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 9: They like his contract.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: They think Brown is better than Diggs, and they think
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: Dobbs is better than Booty. That's the short answer to this.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 9: And they like Williams' contract.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 25: Okay, Booty will not be as good with that guy
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 25: from Texans going to him. I can guarantee you that
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 25: right now.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: You heard it here first.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: This is how this is going to unfold, so I
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: can never be proven wrong.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: All right, Sabah. Your T-shirt is going to go to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: review by the judges, and you will hear from us shortly.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you for calling.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 9: Thanks for your consideration.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: I just, I want to, I want to make a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: preemptive strike. So somehow Nico Collins is one of the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: best 10 receivers in football with that stiff throwing the ball.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: So when Keishon booty continues to be sort of this,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: like a complimentary kind of piece to the offense, can
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: we not blame it on CJ Stroud?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: Can we do that? Like it doesn't hurt Nico Collins.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Is he a long ball threat?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: He's an everything threat. He's one of the better receivers.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: At minimum, he's a top 20 receiver.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Top 10.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: I think he's top 10.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: He's a monster.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: But I'll even submit maybe he's only top 20.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 9: Did he play in the playoff game, Paul?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 10: I forget.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: I think you know the answer to that. I think
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: you know the answer to that.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 9: I think C.J. Stroud bounces back a little bit this year.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: He had two horrific playoff games. That's not indicative of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: his entire career. And prior to that, in the playoffs,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: he had actually played reasonably well. Maybe he's broken. The
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: offense has been broken. The coordination has been broken. The
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: line has been broken. Maybe you're too with Nick Haley.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think he was, I'm not sure if
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: he was totally ready for it last year. And I
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 9: think that might've played a role in why Stroud backslided
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: a little bit, but the line has been their biggest issue.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: Like their offensive line has been kind of in shambles.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 9: And then I've never seen anything like what Trent Brown
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 9: did to them in that playoff game. And that bothered me.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: And it still bothers me. Like you go through pregame warmups.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: And, And then you say not, and then you tap
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: out right before the start of the game and make
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: them completely put the line in a blender to figure
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: out how to get through a playoff game, no less.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: And then CJ Stroud's under constant siege and has the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: worst game of his career.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 9: And we all think he stinks.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: No, I mean, he certainly stunk in those two playoff games.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: I'll say two. It wasn't just that he was just
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: as bad in Pittsburgh.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was. Richard in Attleboro, will legal seafood only
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: be available during games? Would love to grab a lobster
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: roll on my grocery trips to Patriot Place. Yeah, only
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: during games. Just go to a legal seafood restaurant. They're
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: all over the place. Besides that, just want to give
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: a shout out to the social media team this year.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: They've been phenomenal compared to previous years as well as
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: all of training camp videos and coverage.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: Good job.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Shout out to the admin.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 10: Good job, admin.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Little listener on listener crime. You know I
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: love that, right?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: I do love it.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Jay in Minnesota. We all know that Christian in L.A.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: is the villain of all the listeners. I would say
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: that he's overdoing the role, and it's stale now. My
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: least favorite caller now is Herman D.C. He always has
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: to start with, What's up, fellas? I have two quick
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: questions for you, and they are never quick. It's always
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: this weird merry-go-round of gobbledygook, and it annoys the ever-living
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: hell out of me. I will have to say he
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: does spark good conversations with the question most of the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: time when he finally gets to it. So there you go.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: A little.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Couched with a compliment.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: Is it time for a rebuttal?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: It might be. On the phone is Christian in L.A.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Christian, I know you called one
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: of the morning shows yesterday morning or this morning.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: Cheating on us.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't call the show this morning.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: I heard you. I heard you.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: It seriously wasn't me.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 16: I was going to call Catch-22, but I didn't call.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 16: I mean, whoever it was, if they said something that
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 16: sounds like me..
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it was someone that sounded just like you,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: and they had just as bad a call, so it
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: had to be you.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 16: Well, I'll try not to have as bad a call,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 16: or not to be the quote-unquote stale villain.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: First of all, guys, you know what? I would love.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: To sponsor a blind..
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 16: Chowder taste test that I will pay for you guys
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 16: each to name your three favorite chowders in New England,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 16: and let's have a blind.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Taste test and see how it stacks up.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 16: Of course, legal seafood should win, and I think they will,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 16: but let's have the blind taste test.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: I like that. I'd like to see you guys do that.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 16: That's a lot of plans.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It's a little tough. I don't
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: want to... We can't give other places... You know, legal
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: seafood pays for their place in the sun. We can't
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: be sharing that with others.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: Plus, nothing competes with legal seafood.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: I don't even know where you would have other competition from.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: There isn't any competition. There's no competition. I think Christian
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Nolley's trying to prove a point here.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: Although, Christian, when I went to L.A., I noticed they
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: put bacon in the clam chowder.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, they do that here somewhere, in some places.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: That was new for me.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 9: When you go to L.A., they don't have good seafood,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: so that's okay.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 18: The other thing we do here in L.A.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 16: That a lot of people don't do, I even thought
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 16: about starting a truck someplace, is we put bacon around
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 16: the hot dog.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Bacon-wrapped hot dog.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 16: If you've never had a bacon-wrapped.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: Hot dog, forget about it.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 16: Your life will change once you do it.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: Now, what do you put on that, Christian?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 16: You know, I put on those red grilled onions.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: That they have in New York City.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 16: And here's the thing they do here in L.A., They
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 16: sprinkle some mayo and some chili lime on it.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: I don't want mayo on my hot dog.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: On a hot dog?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 16: I've not had..
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 9: Welcome to L.A.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 10: Where are you going?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Is this like Carney's or what do you got?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 9: You going to Pink's?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 16: This is the L.A.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Street Dog.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, just L.A. Street Dog. Right next to the street tacos.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 9: I've been to Pink's a couple of times and that's
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 9: like the bathroom time after that is like... You better
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 9: be near a restroom after you..
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks, Christian.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: I'm intrigued by that bacon-wrapped hot dog though with the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: red onions.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: That sounds good. Why are you going to always chastise me?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: There's only one way to eat a hot dog. The
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: long way? You can't get it this way. It's with
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: sauerkraut and brown mustard. That's how you eat a hot dog.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 9: That's Jewish deli. Get your sauerkraut, brown mustard.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 7: I don't really like sauerkraut.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: On a hot dog? Have you had it? I have
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: had it. On a hot dog? Yes. And you don't
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: like it?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: It's not my favorite.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Reuben?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 9: It's not my favorite either.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: I don't like Reuben's.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: You don't like Reuben's?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: What's the matter with you?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 9: What's the matter with you?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: I don't really like sauerkraut.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 9: Do you like Rachel's?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 7: What's Rachel's?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: It's a female Reuben.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 9: It's a turkey Reuben.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know if I've ever partaken.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: No, listen. Hot dogs, ground mustard, and sauerkraut. That's it.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: None of bacon wrap and peppers and this and that.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: You put peppers on sausage.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: I agree. Sausage and pepper is one of the sausage, pepper, onions.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 10: And mayo on a hot dog?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 7: I don't like mayo on a hot dog. Joe asked
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: me that on the broadcast a couple years ago. I
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: was like, grossed out by it.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't do it myself, but I'm sure if I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: tried it, it would be delicious.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 9: I don't like to give New York a lot of compliments,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 9: but Grey's Papaya is the real deal in New York.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 9: Their hot dogs are much better than any of the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 9: ones I had in L.A. Sorry, Christian. I do like Pink's, though.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 9: Pink's was good.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: I used to walk there.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 9: That's more like it's got a bunch of stuff on it.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: It's not like chili and cheese.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Like Paul said, if you have to put all that
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: stuff on it, it probably isn't that good. Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: It's a hot dog.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: I do like, yeah, a hot dog is kind of
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: not that good on its own.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I used to eat hot dogs raw.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: I was going to say, Fred loves hot dogs.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: It's bologna. It's bologna.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and bologna's kind of gross.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, it is.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 9: Fred loves the hot dogs.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: I do like, I like a good hot dog. I
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: like a good hot dog. A grilled hot dog.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 10: Every now and then.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: But I, you know, mustard, onion.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: Costco hot dogs are good too.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: That's like always time.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 10: It's a buck fifty.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 9: If you want a hot dog here, there's a place
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 9: called Casey's in Natick. And it's like a little, like,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 9: you go in, and it's just a lunch counter. And
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 9: it's almost like a train car type of situation. And
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 9: there's about 14 or 15 stools in there.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 9: And you can stand if you want to, and there's
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 9: a window also. And then they got hot dogs, and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 9: they got burgers.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: This place is delightful, Ev.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Too delightful.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 9: My dad grew up in Framingham.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: Is Simcoe's and Mattapan still around?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 9: I don't know about that one, but Casey's in Natick
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 9: is the place to go for hot dogs around here.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Spencer's in D.C. Where do you go for hot dogs? Spencer.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: Hi.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Hi. Hi.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 20: Thanks for taking my call. I wanted to thank you
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 20: guys again for the T-shirt you guys sent a couple
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 20: months back. I called Spencer from Penn State. It was
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 20: a great gift for my dad's birthday.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: From Brookline. He's been a longtime Pats fan. Oh, good.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: The PSW in progress. It really meant a lot.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Nice. Okay.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 10: So Matt does send some of the shirts out.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, finally, we got one that
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 7: they actually sent.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: It to us.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 20: So I got a hypothetical for you guys. What do
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 20: you think is more likely? Efton Chisholm has a 1,000-yard
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 20: season or... the Patriots make it all the way to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 20: the AFC championship. And it's in the sin city, Las
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 20: Vegas and Drake may on the game winning touchdown drive.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 20: He runs it in, but Max Cosby, he's still pissed.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 20: He didn't get traded to Baltimore and he hits him late.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: He breaks his arm.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 20: And now you got to start Tommy DeVito in the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 20: super bowl. And you're thinking, man, if only there was
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 20: someone in Las Vegas who can leave with the team
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 20: and already knows the Josh McDaniels playbook. So the teams, it's.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: This big victory.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 20: Until they look up at the TV and someone has
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 20: sold a major owner's stake of the Raiders and Tom
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 20: Brady walks in and says, I'm back and wins one
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 20: more Super Bowl with the Patriots against the New York Giants.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Easy.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Easy.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Easy. I know Paul would say B.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: That was well done, Spencer.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: That was well done. Thanks, Spencer.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 9: I'm glad that Robert Spillane said that about Tom Brady.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: I'm glad.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 10: He was sad for him. I felt bad for him.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: I understand that Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel are going
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 9: to take the high road and all that. It's a
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 9: crappy comment.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Paul was right. Here we go. Gandalf in the Shire.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: First off, I wish Booty well and hope he thrives
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: in Houston. However, I'm not concerned with Stroud throwing to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: his third or fourth wide receiver in the playoffs against
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. It's more likely that the trade will come
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: back to haunt the Texans. I can see Stroud picking
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: up right where he left off, throwing another interception right
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: to our boy Reed to seal the game.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, there is a chance that Booty is the
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: third or fourth receiver at best. Now, I don't know
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: exactly where..
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Where's Tank? Where's Tank ready to go, right?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: I don't know where Tank... If Tank is ready to
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: come back, then he's unquestionably, like, fourth. But I'm not
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: sure about Jalen Knoll either.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 25: Yeah.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: But you see how he fits in well.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 10: I mean, he gives you an outside guy with..
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but he could also be the set..
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 9: It could be him and Nico.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: He could be the two, and he has already proven
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: that you do not have to flood him with targets
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: to get production out of him.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 11: So..
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: I probably think more of C.J. Stroud than virtually anybody now.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: Now his value couldn't be any lower.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: I hear you, though, Paul.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: I loved him after those first couple playoffs where he
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: just showed so much toughness.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: He's not as bad as he played in the playoffs.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 9: His rookie year was really good. I mean, it was
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: every bit as good as Drake May and Jaden Daniels'
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: breakout years.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: I wonder what the Cayley offense looks like, like how
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: much of it's McVay, how much of it is, does
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: he have any New England influence?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 9: It tried to be like a melting pot. And I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 9: think that that kind of, they were, had one foot
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: in one door and one foot in the other. And
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 9: I think that you got to kind of commit to
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 9: a system. Like they were trying to run a lot
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: of McVay stuff, but then their drop back game was
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: very McDaniels. And like that marriage was kind of.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: And they could not run the ball at all.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: Muhammad from Philly. What's up?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for taking my call guys. Um, I got
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: two questions for you.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 26: Uh, Jalen Reed, he was a six round pick last year.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 26: I just wanted to get a little bit of feedback on,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 26: is that the quality player he is?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: Or is it just cause, uh, uh, you know.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 26: Players like Nick M and warrior on the stage like
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 26: that he had last year kind of boosted his stock.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: So how would you guys grade them?
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 26: And then the second question is for 2027, are we
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 26: done drafting receivers or, you know, AJ is not a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 26: spring chicken anymore. Uh, you know, after next year.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: So are we looking, you know, we're going to be
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: back in that hole.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 26: Looking for a wide receiver one moving forward.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Let's see what happens this year. Muhammad, you've been to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: the Victor cafe in Philly.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Great place.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: It is good. All right. Thanks Muhammad.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: I think there'll be back in the wide receiver market.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of their guys, as Mike has
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: been pointing out throughout the off season, Douglas Hollins, these
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: guys are in the last year of their deals. Yeah,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: I think they'll probably be in the market for a
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: wide receiver.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 9: But I don't think at the top of the depth chart.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 9: I think they get two years out of this Brown
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 9: and Dobbs duo. But, yeah, for guys to fill out
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: and maybe have ceilings that could be number one receivers.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Andrew in Vermont taking issue with Evan. I like that.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: First of all, he says, a big fan. Show has
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: gotten better with time, especially the addition of Mike, Evan,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: and Alex. Sorry, Paul and Fred. Love you both, too.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Mostly it's a shot at Andy and Eric. That said,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: I felt compelled to email because of Evans' reversal on
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: a long-standing off-season take. Several times, fans have called in
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: asking about Hollins as a tight end. Evans has mocked
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: these callers on both PU and Cash 22, explaining that
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Hollins is too small a body and not good enough
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: blocker to be a tight end.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 9: So true.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, except this morning on Cash 22, when discussing
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: the tight end depth, I was shocked. To hear Evans
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: suggest that the Patriots will probably have to run four
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: wide receiver plays with Hollins as a stand-in tight end.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Shame on you, Evan, for stealing this take from the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: callers and passing it off as your own. Okay.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: Can't believe you did that.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 9: Is there truth to that?
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: You don't recall saying that?
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 9: Shame on you. Don't like that language.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: Shame on you.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's like, do better.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: No, be better.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 7: My personal favorite.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: But does he have a point?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 9: I said that if Henry got hurt, instead of relying
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 9: too much on the young guys in Raritan and the rookies,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 9: I could see them becoming more four-wide receiver heavy and
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: that they could use Hollins and some of those blocking responsibilities.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 7: I would just say that.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: They're both right.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: He's not a tight end.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: He would take over some of those responsibilities because you
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: don't have a tight end. If you ask him to
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: line up in line and block like a traditional tight end,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: he can't, he's not big enough to do that. I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: think he can be a good blocking wide receiver and
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: take on tight end qualities. I know that sounds like
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: I'm qualifying it, but like, I think people think Because
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: they're so thin at tight end, he's a tight end now, not.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: A wide receiver.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: I think he's a wide receiver who can be like
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: a tight end. But he's 220-some-odd pounds?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a big difference between picking off DBs
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: and lining up against a defensive end.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 9: And I wasn't even really talking about them doing it
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 9: in run situations either. I was more talking like... on
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 9: third down, if there's no Hunter Henry, then instead of
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 9: having 11 personnel with three receivers and Hunter Henry, maybe
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 9: they just go 10 and they have four wide receivers
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 9: and Hollins is kind of running Henry's routes.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: We saw a little of that at practice one of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 6: those days, Mike, that you and I were sitting in
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: the VIP area.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I wasn't even talking about him. Like, like, blocking
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 9: people in the run game and stuff like that. I
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 9: was talking about it as a passing formation.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: But that's what the conversation is when people ask, can
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: he be a tight end? Like, that's what a tight
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: end does. You block on early downs, and you've got
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: to have your hand in everything, you know?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: And I think with him, I think that because he's
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: so versatile, he can allow you maybe to save a run.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: You don't have tight ends.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: You have, like, basically two guys that you feel okay
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: about in Henry and Raritan. We're trying to learn a
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: little bit about Tanner Arkin. We don't know exactly what
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: that is and what that's going to look like. So
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: you can save a roster spot and then use Hollins
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: in a variety of different ways, not the least of
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: which is a deep threat, too, which I think people
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: forget about.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: And that's why Josh loves him. All the things we
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: list off that that guy can do. He's not a superstar,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: but he's fine being the number four or five receiver,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: doing what you need, running straight down the field a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: full sprint and not knowing he's not going to get
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: the ball. That's why he's valuable.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Matt in Virginia just wanted to chime in to give
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: you all another talking point for the Henderson vs. Stevenson thing.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: Even Madden thinks Henderson is better and has him rated
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: 82 OVR as the primary starter for the team with
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: Mondray only at 78. I'm not sure why this is
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: the prevailing opinion around football in general, but like you all,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: I also watch football and believe Madre is still a
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: better overall back than Henderson is today.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 9: There's one thing that Madden loves, and it's speed.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Speed.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: Can you answer that? And I don't play Madden.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah. I, you know, I know it's evolved in like
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 9: bar to the finger wags me and says, it's like,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 9: not like this anymore. When I, when we were kids
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 9: growing up, Bethel Johnson, might as well have been Randy
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 9: Moss in Madden because he was a 99 speed. And
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: so you could just put them on the field at
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 9: wide receiver and he'd run by everybody because he was
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 9: the fastest guy in the game. And that's the, why
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: Henderson has a higher rating than Ramond is because he's
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 9: faster press conference.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: I think this is also kind of jarring to me
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: that they had so much, that he's had such a
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: good camp, that Ramondre Stevenson.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 10: This is all coming on the heels of Ramondre.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 9: I guess Elliott is already there.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: That's what Ace is trying to tell us. But I
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 7: don't hear it.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: We've got Elliott? Yeah. We can't hear it.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 14: He showed tremendous growth and progress as a person and
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 14: a player, and excited for him and his opportunity. But
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 14: this was about the Patriots and doing what's best for
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 14: our organization.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 13: How would you describe where things stand with Christian Gonzalez
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 13: and the talks?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 18: Yeah, nothing new to report on Christian. Want him here.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: He's an elite player.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 14: Been on record saying that before, and we're continuing to
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 14: work with his representation to find a resolution that works
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 14: for everyone.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 12: Do you view week one as sort of an internal
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 12: deadline when it comes to his potential extension.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 19: Or would you guys be open to continuing that throughout
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 19: the season?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 18: We're just kind of taking it a day at a
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 18: time right now. We haven't set a deadline.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: Situation a complicating factor in that at all?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 18: Probably not familiar with the Joey Porter situation.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 8: Joey Porter for the Steelers also seeking a big contract.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 9: I know Devon Witherspoon was someone that people..
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I know.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 14: I mean, every situation's different. We're just focusing on our
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 14: situation here.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 27: Do you have clarity on exactly what they're asking for
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 27: and where the gaps are right now?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 14: We're not going to get into any details in the
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 14: negotiation right now. Just know that we're working and We'll
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 14: go from there. Are you going to.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 10: Answer no question?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 27: I'm not asking you to tell me what the details are,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 27: but do you know where their stance is and where
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 27: you guys are so we can have a view maybe
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 27: on the outside as to what separation there is so
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 27: we can pass.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: That on to the fans?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 27: Are you confident that a deal will get done with Christian?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 14: I'm confident that we're continuing to work on it, and
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 14: we're positive that we're making momentum.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: I understand that there are seven receivers. Why did Keyshawn
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: have to be kind of the odd man?
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 14: I guess he was the odd man out, but there
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 14: were some different conversations that we had with different teams
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 14: throughout the league.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 18: Again, the opportunity to.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 14: Acquire Jalen Reed for a player that Houston wanted is
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 14: something that we decided to pull the trigger on.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 18: We feel really good about our receiver group.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 14: We have guys that can play in multiple positions.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 18: They all really complement each other well.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 14: Obviously, when we acquired Romeo and A.J., you know, something
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 14: had to give because we have, you know, guys that
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 14: can play in the slot, guys can play Z block.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 18: Play special teams.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 14: So there's just a lot of different elements and we
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 14: feel really good about the guys that we have in
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 14: the room.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: What did you make of Mike saying the other night
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 6: that the roster wasn't very deep?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: He mentioned speaking to you about it. So I just
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: wonder how that all went.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 14: I mean, you know, every, every season is different. We've
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 14: acquired in quite a, Had some injuries here over the
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 14: course of the last couple of weeks that obviously thinned
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 14: things out. We were pretty lucky, knock on wood, last
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 14: year with some of the injury things that we had.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 14: Every year is different. Every position is different. We're deeper
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 14: at some positions than we were last year. We're shallower
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 14: at others. This time of year is a great opportunity
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 14: for the scouts and for us to work the phones,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 14: talking about different trades.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 18: Obviously, you acquired a safety yesterday.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 14: Which helped increase the depth in that room, and just
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 14: have opportunities to make the roster deeper in the areas
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 14: that we feel like we need to.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 28: Would you just say that the roster being thin is
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 28: a result of poor drafts in the past, or is
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 28: it a combination of things?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 18: I think it's probably a combination of things.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 14: Obviously, other than Drake and Marcellus and Del Pettis, the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 14: 2024 draft obviously didn't– you know, net the results that
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 14: we were hoping for there. And, you know, those things
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 14: all kind of pile together and, you know, create situations
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 14: where we're needing to upgrade from outside the building.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 24: Going back to the Keishon trade, you mentioned wanting to
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 24: draft Jalen. You had drafted eight players before he came
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 24: off the board. So I'm curious, what about the timing
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 24: of this deal? May this have to happen now where
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 24: Jalen in the seventh round pick was better than Keishon,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 24: maybe even for a couple of months, if you waited
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 24: to deal him before the trade deadline?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, again, we have a deep receiver room.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 14: I think that's really what it came down to. And
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 14: as you look to the game day roster, there's maybe
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 14: some situations where the opportunities for certain players wouldn't be there,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 14: and we felt like this was the right time.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: To do it.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 20: Was there any concern about helping out a conference rival,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 20: potential opponent, a team you played in the playoffs last year?
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 14: No, there was no concern about that, and I don't
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 14: think there was any concern for them to send us
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 14: a safety that we think can play.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 13: Yesterday at practice we saw Travion leave a little early
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 13: after slipping. What level of concern is there, if any,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 13: that that is a situation that is very serious?
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 14: Yeah, we're working through that situation now, and he's probably
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 14: not going to be out there at practice today, but
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 14: we'll see how that goes.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 24: You mentioned A.J.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: Brown and Rubio Dobbs are in, kind of Stefan Diggs,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 8: and now Keyshawn Booty out. Last year you guys were
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 8: number two in points. Drake Mays, runner-up for MVP. So
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: was it the playoffs that, um, you decided, uh, that
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 8: you guys need an upgraded receiver? Just where, where did
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 8: you decide that you need.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: An upgrade there?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 18: Uh, it was kind of ongoing.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 14: Um, you know, just felt like, again, in free agency,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 14: there's only so many young talented players that are out there.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 14: So Romeo was a guy that we identified early on
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 14: in the process that we wanted to acquire and we
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 14: were able to, and then obviously when a, when a
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 14: talent like AJ Brown becomes available, um, as long as
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 14: we had to wait for that in the offseason and
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 14: start those conversations when we started them.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 18: It was just an elite.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 14: Player that we're excited to be able to acquire. It's
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 14: always about improving the roster. You asked the question about depth.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 14: Some of the depth pieces, like we have guys that
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 14: are good enough to be on the 53, but we'll
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 14: be looking to upgrade. and you know it's all about
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 14: trying to get better each.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 29: Day christian is there any concern at all that if
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 29: he doesn't have a new contract for the season you'll
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 29: get something less than the full version of christian whether
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 29: he's protecting himself or mentally he's just not fully there
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 29: is there any concern on the team's end that if
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 29: he doesn't have a deal, he might be a different
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 29: type of player.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 14: No, he's a tremendous competitor. He wants to be the
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 14: best at his position, so there's no concerns like that.
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  Speaker 23: You said you're making momentum with those negotiations.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 14: Again, I'm not going to get into the negotiations here today.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 14: We are working with Christian's representative to try to get
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 14: something done, and that's what we're doing.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: There was a.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 28: Point before that Cajun had requested a trade-out. Did the
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 28: timing of this trade, you said it was the receiver,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 28: but did it also have to do with Keishon possibly
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 28: wanting to get out before the season started to be
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 28: with a new team rather than waiting for the deadline?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: No, it didn't.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 14: Obviously, getting a player, for us getting Jalen in now,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 14: he gets an opportunity to work with the defensive coaches.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 14: Safety is obviously a tough position to learn, get with
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 14: the special teams coaches. He's played some PP in the past,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 14: so that's something that he can start to learn our
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 14: cadence and our system there. The same probably goes true
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 14: for Keishon, but Um, no, that, that didn't really factor in. Um,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 14: Kayshaun was a, was a very professional throughout the whole
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 14: off season and did a nice job for us.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 18: And he had a good camp as you guys all saw.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 12: You guys have dealt with a series of injuries with
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 12: your backup offensive linemen.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: What is your level of concern with the group behind
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: your starters right now?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 14: Well, I think, uh, you know, we signed Greg Van Roten, um,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 14: which obviously, you know, showed some level of, uh, you know,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 14: admittance of need for that position. And, and Greg started
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 14: a lot of games, uh, in his career. Um, have
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 14: some background with Greg. We signed Greg when I was
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 14: in Green Bay in 2012. We signed him during training
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 14: camp for the first time and he ended up making
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 14: the team. So, you know, that kind of goes to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 14: show what kind of intelligence and ability that he has.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 14: And I think he showed that again yesterday when, you know,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 14: he took two snaps at center, then two snaps at
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 14: left guard and two snaps at right guard in the
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 14: same period in his first practice.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 18: With the team, really.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 14: So, you know, We have some rookie tackles that we like,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 14: and James Hudson and some of these guys that are
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 14: battling on the second team.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 18: So, yeah, we're excited about the group.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 14: And does that mean if there's an opportunity to supplement
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 14: that group, that we'll take it?
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 11: When it comes to Jalen Reed's role in year one,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 11: do you see him as being primarily a special team
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 11: or in-depth player, or do you think he could maybe
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 11: contribute in the slot or somewhere in the defensive backfield?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, we'll have to see.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 14: That'll kind of be up to him at this point,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 14: coming in, learning the system. He's supposed to be really smart,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 14: so we'll see if our reports on that are true.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 14: But talking to him this morning, he's really eager and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 14: excited to be here and has pledged to be more
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 14: violent on special teams.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 23: What have you taken from Christian being out there throughout
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 23: camp practicing with his teammates?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 18: Christian Gonzalez.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 14: He's been great. He came back yesterday and looked like
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 14: he hadn't missed a beat. He had some productive one-on-one reps,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 14: and then he was making plays in the red zone.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 18: Again, he's a competitor. He's talented.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: He's elite.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 24: Again, hopefully we can get something done there. You guys
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 24: have offered to make Christian the highest paid corner ever.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 24: Is that still true a month later?
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 29: Obviously, there's a lot of planning ahead when you look
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 29: at a deal like the one potentially for Christian here.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 29: A year from now, Drake will be eligible to sign
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 29: a new contract. How much does planning for a new
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 29: deal for Drake impact how you consider a new deal
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 29: for Christian now?
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 14: You know, it's about a cash budget and things like that,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 14: so we're very aware of the timing of these things,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 14: and we're cognizant of having a plan for that and
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 14: working with the Jonathan and Robert, thankful for their support.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 14: They're open and willing for us to be able to
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 14: sign these great players.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you. All right, that's Elliot Wolfe. Interesting. Paul, I
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be discouraged if I were you on your legal
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: seafood fresh take.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: I would say so far, my fresh take is..
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: Didn't take until the end of the show before it
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: got proven wrong for now, but I agree with you.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: I think there's at least some optimism.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: No, they're talking. Momentum.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: Momentum.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: If they were at a complete stalemate and they weren't talking,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: I don't even think he would have come out to
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: the podium. But the fact that he says we're working
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: with his representation, I think there's just a couple things
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: that are probably, there's hang-ups, and they're probably trying to
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: get through those. So I wouldn't be too discouraged, Paul.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's as close as I thought it was.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: I'll just say that. All right.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: Well, you thought it was done, so I guess it wasn't.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: I have to be honest.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: I thought him going back to prep, when Mike Vrabel yesterday,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: before we went out to practice, said that he was
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: hopeful that he would be at practice this week, I
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: thought that.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: Was kind of like, here we go.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: Christian's pretty happy with where everything is. He's ready to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: come back to practice. This is pretty much done. It's
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: a done deal.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's what it is.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: But I'm less confident in that take than I was
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: before Elliott spoke.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because now Christian's going to have to get up
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: and do the same dance, and Ryan Cowan's going to
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: have to get up and do the same dance, and
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: maybe shortly thereafter in the next coming days, then it's
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 5: all going to change. So I just stay where I'm at.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: I hope it gets done before the week leading into Seattle.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess the general... momentum and we're working with
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 9: the representation and we know where each other's sides are at.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 9: And like, those are some.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: Positive phrases, but also a lot of buzzwords.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 14: Oh yeah.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 9: I'm also reading a lot into some positivity, hoping that
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 9: it is what it sounds like. But I still come
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 9: back to like, if they were worlds apart, I just
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 9: don't know if he'd be practicing. Like, I feel like
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 9: that's his only leverage is to hold out a practice.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 9: And so if they were, and he hasn't been practicing
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 9: to be fair, but you know, if it, if they
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 9: were worlds apart, I don't think he would have practiced
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 9: at all this summer. And the fact that he has
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 9: been practicing at least a little bit, I think tells
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 9: you that there's, it's not like it hasn't gone bad yet.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 9: You know, I still felt like that.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: I felt like that from minute one when he got
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: out there, but like at a certain point, it's like, okay, well,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: Let's get it done.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Put yourself in the shoes of Elliot Wolfe. Let's just
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: say it's one thing that's really holding this up. But
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: both sides are really determined to get their way. He
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: can't come out and say, yeah, we're really close. He's
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: got to come out like, yeah, we're just negotiating. Because
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to give the other side an idea
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: that we're about to cave. So it could be anything.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: I'm just a little concerned that you have it. There
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: is something that both sides are very adamant about. Yeah. So, yeah,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, we're willing to pay you X amount of
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: dollars over X amount of years and have X amount
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: of it guaranteed. But there's an element that one side
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: wants that the other side is not willing to give.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: So you're not a starter.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Well, if it's just one thing, I think you might be.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: I think if you get the general framework, but then
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: there's some details about when and, you know, then I
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: think you you'll get it done.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 10: I mean, I feel like. It's just when the money
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 10: comes in.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: Like, they probably have a number, but it's like how
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: much comes in this year, how much is guaranteed.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 10: You know, those are the..
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: I'm feeling like guarantees are an issue.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 9: I feel like that's the money thing there, Deuce. It's like,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 9: is it year four and five that he's getting the bag,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 9: or is it year six and seven that he's getting
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 9: the bag? And, like, when does that money, you know,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 9: actually hit the bank account? You know, and that's... That
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 9: can be difficult with these types of contracts because not
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 9: every team will just give it to you up front.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 9: A lot of teams make you earn it on an escalator,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 9: and you have to earn it throughout the life.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: Of the contract. Well, even the Witherspoon deal is kind
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: of structured in such a way.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 9: Well, Witherspoon got the bag, though. He got two for
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 9: 59 right out of the chute, which is like that's
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: the real money. That's the number that we're really talking
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 9: about here. And I don't know if the Patriots are
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 9: at two for 59.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: But, you know, like when it first comes out, oh,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: he's getting $ 100 million guaranteed. And he will if he plays.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: He will get that.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 9: Or guaranteed for injury.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: Which is why my definition of the word guarantee is
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: vastly different than a lot of people who cover football
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 6: for a living.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: My guarantee is no matter what happens, if he gets
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: cut tomorrow, he gets that number.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 9: And that's the two for 59 number.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: 59 he got.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: 59.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: Which was a big jump over what McDuffie got, 50.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: So that, I mean, to Evan's point, he kind of
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: got the bag. That's a pretty good sizable.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of us would.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 6: No, but I mean, 9 million more guaranteed than the
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: next closest guy, I think is a reasonably significant gap.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 9: And the framework of when it gets paid. Like, it's
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 9: not like he's waiting until. the fifth and sixth year
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 9: of the contract is he got a raise this year
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 9: from Seattle to get real market value money in the
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 9: fourth year of his rookie contract. So that's always the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 9: big one. Cause teams are like, well, we have team control.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 9: Like we have the fourth year, the fifth year option,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 9: the franchise tag. Like why are we going to concede
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 9: the money up front? And the player obviously wants the
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 9: money up front. Just give me my money.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: Dolly Parton died.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? She wasn't doing too well.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: 80 years old.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: Music legend.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 9: Don't like that.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: R.I.P.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: One of the greats.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 9: She was at Thanksgiving or something last year.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 9: Still brought it.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're up. Thank you for making us abreast
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: of that news.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 10: Well, we've been talking about booty all day, so I
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 10: figured we'd round it out.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: Still is a Belichick line. We were abreast of that.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: It was after the Janet Jackson thing in the Super Bowl.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was on Letterman.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: You know that smile that he used to have when
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: he was really happy with himself, which is pretty much always.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 9: That's such a Bill joke.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: We were abreast of that.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: Hey! And then everyone just fell out of their chairs.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: And then they wrote op-ed pieces about how wonderfully creative
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: he was.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: All right. That's going to be it for this edition
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. You already had Catch-22. If you missed it,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: you can catch it on the rebound. Okay. So, tomorrow, nothing. Nothing.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Team is traveling to Cleveland. On Thursday, pre- and post-game show. 645.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: The award-winning pre- and post-game show with Jack Webb and
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: Troy Brown.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 7: What was that?
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: I have to say. I gave it an award.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 9: I'm not even blowing smoke.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 6: Do you still hear the insistence of the disrespect?
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: The pre- and post-game show with Jack Webb and Troy Brown.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 9: I thought it was really good.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 7: I'm the show. I allow Mike to be on with me.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: And you credit two newcomers, two noobs.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 10: They dramatically changed it and made it.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: I figured you'd pick up on that.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: It's like the third time you've done it.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: All right, but it is... We had fun on the
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: post-game show. We always have.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: I always have fun when you come down with your donut.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: Have you talked about Kindle Vildor yet, though?
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 9: That was good.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: I liked it. All right, so... Thursday, pre- and post-game show. Tomorrow, nothing. Nothing.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: You have the show. You still do.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 7: Tomorrow's nothing.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: I'm in in-season mode already. No show tomorrow. All right.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next Tuesday. Hey, this is Deuce.
• 2:00:02
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