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Heartbreaks and Ego Bruises · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with our radio. This is the almost famous podcast. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we're here again. So much to break down. I think
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Speaker 1: this episode, Ashley, is worth breaking down. We have to,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of our jobs. But the hot gass, as
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Speaker 1: they say around the world, uh, is really interesting this
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Speaker 1: week as well. So Ashley, you watched, you enjoyed wat
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Speaker 1: I did enjoy? You like this episode? Huh? Um? You know,
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Speaker 1: I think there was as there has been a little
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Speaker 1: bit of like dragging out certain situations, like maybe with Zach.
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Speaker 1: I thought we were going to get more tea from
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Speaker 1: the Zack situation. We did not, but there was there
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Speaker 1: was um scoop. Yeah, there was definitely like a lot
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Speaker 1: to ponder. I feel like I spent this whole episode pondering, Ashley.
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Speaker 1: I spent this whole episode trying to figure out what
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Speaker 1: the heck was going on. I mean I get the
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Speaker 1: general themes Zack something, but like we don't still know
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened in the fantasy suite that made Zack
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Speaker 1: go I saw a different person. I mean that's a
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Speaker 1: big statement. Is I fell in love with you on
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Speaker 1: the show and then I go to the fantasy suites,
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Speaker 1: and something happened in that room that made him go,
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Speaker 1: you aren't the same human I've known through this whole process.
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Speaker 1: It happened so clearly enough to him that he walks out,
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Speaker 1: I'm confused. I'm confused by his terminology. So he goes,
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Speaker 1: you weren't the bat like you were the Bachelorette Rachel,
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Speaker 1: not the Rachel that I got to know. So does
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Speaker 1: that mean like that? He thinks, like, what's the difference
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Speaker 1: between the Bachelorette Rachel and the Rachel that he knows,
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Speaker 1: because you think they've been on camera the entire time,
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Speaker 1: So wouldn't the terms be different. Wouldn't Bachelorette Rachel will
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Speaker 1: be the one with the cameras around, and then the
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Speaker 1: real Rachel'll be the one without cameras around, which he
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Speaker 1: might have fallen in love with the one with cameras around.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he said, he used the line. The only
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Speaker 1: reason I can say that, hey, this might we might
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Speaker 1: be onto something is he used the line of acting,
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Speaker 1: he said, I'm he said it's good acting, maybe, And
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Speaker 1: so I think he felt like he knew somebody on
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Speaker 1: the Bachelorette in front of cameras and they get behind
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Speaker 1: closed doors, and whatever happened in that eight to nine
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Speaker 1: hours behind closed doors made him go, you've been acting
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Speaker 1: this whole time. It was weird. But again, and I
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Speaker 1: feel like this might be a misstep. This whole season
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Speaker 1: is we don't really know, so assumptions have to be made.
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Speaker 1: We have to kind of read between the lines. And
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Speaker 1: I don't love that. I would rather a Claire Carley
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Speaker 1: situation where like, no, this is what you said, what
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Speaker 1: you did, this is why I'm leaving. Instead we're sitting
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Speaker 1: here going okay, at least the first part of the episode.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who's not side I'm on, But I
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Speaker 1: just don't know where I stand because I really don't
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Speaker 1: know what happened. Um, I think that is Zach is
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Speaker 1: being a gentleman and not really revealing what happened. I
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Speaker 1: think there's something happening. He's trying to be respectful. I
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Speaker 1: don't think I don't think it was sexual. Actually, um,
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Speaker 1: I don't even think it got there with them in
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Speaker 1: the fantasy suite. But again, assumptions. I think that he's
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Speaker 1: just kind of trying not to blame. I think you're
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Speaker 1: trying not to use exactly whether it's whether it's him
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Speaker 1: continuingly to use the word acting or like a front
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Speaker 1: to show blah, that could be it, Like maybe he
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Speaker 1: just felt like her personality was totally different. Um, if
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Speaker 1: there was a specific situation. Again, I just don't think
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Speaker 1: he's going to bring up either any of these things,
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Speaker 1: because I think he's being a gentleman. UM. But I
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Speaker 1: also between reading between the lines, because you were talking
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Speaker 1: about how like we have we have to do that.
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Speaker 1: I think our assumption on last week's podcast is definitely right.
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Speaker 1: I think she just wasn't that into um. And then
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Speaker 1: once she was in privacy in some place that was
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Speaker 1: supposed to be intimate, she was like, oh, I can't
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Speaker 1: hide this anymore. Like I'm a little bit gross out.
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Speaker 1: I got the ick. Um, I can't fake it with
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Speaker 1: this guy anymore. Okay, I mean that's fair, and I
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Speaker 1: do I don't think we're far off. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel. This is a weird
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Speaker 1: scenario because you're on national television. It is not only
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Speaker 1: a pursuit to find love, but it is also an
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Speaker 1: entertainment for the viewer, and from my perspective, it felt
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Speaker 1: even weirder to me. Actuley that Zach came out on
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Speaker 1: stage and it was kind of like, everything's good. I
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Speaker 1: made a mistake, he said, and you know, I'm sorry
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Speaker 1: if I confused you. I felt like that was told.
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Speaker 1: That conversation was like a total reiteration of what happened
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Speaker 1: when he left. But now she's good with it. But
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Speaker 1: now she's like, okay, cool, like let's hug and everything's good.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing well, Patty on the back, have
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Speaker 1: a good one. It just felt it felt like there
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Speaker 1: was so much missing. I don't know if I wanted
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Speaker 1: them to battle it out on stage and to argue
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Speaker 1: and to get into details. I mean, you know that's
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Speaker 1: up to the two of them, and we're here just
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Speaker 1: to watch. I guess, but I just felt I watched
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Speaker 1: it and said, I don't I didn't get anything new
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Speaker 1: out of their conversation last night. It was five minute
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Speaker 1: filler for me. When you know that I missed Kimba. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's what I mean. It was like a reiteration. So, okay,
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Speaker 1: Zach leaves at the top of the episode, right right away,
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Speaker 1: he's gone. Another person breaks Rachel's heart. Is there is
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Speaker 1: there's something and we've been able to talk to both
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Speaker 1: gabbing Rachel on this podcast. But I'm starting to feel
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Speaker 1: like we're missing something, because what do you mean breaking heart?
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Speaker 1: You think that she's broken hearted by Zach leaving? You
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Speaker 1: know she was going to eliminate him. Do you think
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Speaker 1: that she were an ego Bruce like differs a heartbreak
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Speaker 1: and an ego bruise ego? You know this isn't the
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Speaker 1: first time she's been broken up with by or somebody's
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Speaker 1: left by a guy that she's not into. Her ego
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Speaker 1: is in question. She said the line, I'm tired of
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Speaker 1: going through these moments. Right, She's the one that's typically
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Speaker 1: getting hurt here, or at least she's not having control here.
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Speaker 1: He's so cute. I think you can keep TD doing
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Speaker 1: it as long as he's not bothering you. I think
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Speaker 1: it's adorable. He's not bothering me, Okay, So either way
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Speaker 1: you want to frame it, he leaves uh and she
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Speaker 1: has no control over that. I just don't know what
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Speaker 1: we're missing, is the question I want to ask is
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Speaker 1: why are these guys maybe so hesitant? What are they
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Speaker 1: seeing that we're not. I mean, I I we've met
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Speaker 1: both of these bachelorettes we've been able to talk to them,
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Speaker 1: we've seen him throughout this season. I think they're both catches.
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Speaker 1: I think they both are um on not going. I
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Speaker 1: don't think this was Rachel's best episode, and we can
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Speaker 1: talk about that here in a bit. I think there
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Speaker 1: were some moments where I was like, but what are
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Speaker 1: these guys seeing that we're not because these feel like
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Speaker 1: to me and and actually tell me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: and they feel like there's sometimes coming out of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: like they feel like they're getting these relationships are ending,
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Speaker 1: and instead of the contestants being the ones surprised and hurt,
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Speaker 1: it's the leads being surprised and hurt. And that's a
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Speaker 1: weird dynamic to me. It is weird. We've had more.
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Speaker 1: I think there's been more heartbreak from the girls getting
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Speaker 1: broken up with than the guys this season. Um, do
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Speaker 1: I have a theory on this? Yeah? I mean, what's
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Speaker 1: your initial reaction to that? Because it's a theme this season,
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Speaker 1: if we like it or not. I think this is brutal.
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Speaker 1: I'm about to say, but you're sweet, and you say
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Speaker 1: we've met them, but like, we've met them for twenty
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Speaker 1: minutes on our podcast, and that we've seen a TV
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Speaker 1: version of them, so we don't really know them, and
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Speaker 1: we don't really know like their readiness for a relationship.
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Speaker 1: I just feel like, going off of this episode, I
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Speaker 1: really feel like we're I mean, Gabby, you know, Gabby's fine, Gabby.
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Speaker 1: I feel like she she's she's ready, right, She's mature,
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Speaker 1: she's older, she's ready. Um. Right after this episode, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I think Rachel might need to do some a little
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Speaker 1: bit more like growing up. I don't know, it's I
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Speaker 1: see myself a lot in her as a twenty six
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Speaker 1: year old. She's twenty six. When I started this whole show,
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Speaker 1: I was twenty six, and I think that I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of great experience in growing from the show,
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Speaker 1: and that might be what is going to happen for her.
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Speaker 1: Like she she may not be ready for the engagement now, um,
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Speaker 1: but like this show will help prepare her for the
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Speaker 1: future for that situation. That's fair too. I mean that's
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Speaker 1: not even like a massive diss on Rachel. It's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you gave this thing a shot at twenty six. But
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Speaker 1: this episode, and we'll talk about these things later, highlighted
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Speaker 1: a few areas that for a viewer and for Twitter,
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Speaker 1: especially um we were I guess I was a little
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Speaker 1: bit thrown off by and I would love to talk
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Speaker 1: to her and hear why she said and did the
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Speaker 1: things she did, because maybe she can help us make
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Speaker 1: sense of it. But this episode was not her best
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Speaker 1: uh moments, and it was not a great way of
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Speaker 1: handling um some some very serious conversations. Gabby's kind of
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Speaker 1: flying under the radar here. This episode was like not
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Speaker 1: a Gabby episode at all. In fact, her date with
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Speaker 1: Eric was what like four minutes at the end of
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Speaker 1: the episode, it was nothing. We had the home day
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Speaker 1: with a family day and that was it. It was
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Speaker 1: like maybe a collective like twenty minutes. I also just
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Speaker 1: want to say about the racial situation. I'm like the
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Speaker 1: last person to talk here because like I have dealt
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Speaker 1: with situations in real life and on this show so emotionally,
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Speaker 1: and like whenever I have like a serious conversation, like
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me not to cry. So I can't
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Speaker 1: fault her if like her go to is to be
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Speaker 1: like a little bit just like overly emotional, right, Like
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Speaker 1: that's fine, Like some of us deal with it like that,
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Speaker 1: but in this situation, I feel like it would have
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Speaker 1: really been helpful for her to be like, Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: really emotional right now. I need to take a break
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Speaker 1: from this and come back and think about it, because
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Speaker 1: then you can come back in my at least in
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Speaker 1: my body and kind of figure things out and come
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Speaker 1: back with a cooler, calmer head and not cry so much.
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Speaker 1: And just to be so thrown off as she was
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Speaker 1: in a couple of moments with even see and the
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Speaker 1: emotion isn't a thing that throws me off at all, Ash, Like,
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Speaker 1: I'm more emotional than most men. I know that, right.
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Speaker 1: I cry often. I cry over big things, I cry
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Speaker 1: over little things. I cried a lot during the show
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Speaker 1: over just moments that hit you differently or that reminds
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Speaker 1: you of something in the past or that concern you.
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Speaker 1: I cry. Uh. And so the crying and the emotion
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Speaker 1: I could. I'm cool, Like, I get it it, it's
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Speaker 1: meaning something to you. But do you think that sometimes
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Speaker 1: it hinders your communication skills? Because that's what I know
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Speaker 1: that Jared would argue with me, is like, sometimes like
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Speaker 1: I can't be clear about my what I'm feeling because
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Speaker 1: like in that moment, I'm so over like I worked out, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well that was that was the ending to that statement.
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Speaker 1: Was The thing that I'm confused by are the words
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Speaker 1: being used and the motivation behind those words where you know?
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Speaker 1: I think this episode especially, it was why are you trying?
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Speaker 1: Where are you trying to get with these guys? What
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Speaker 1: are you trying to tell them? What are you trying
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Speaker 1: to show them? You know, you're saying things that's making
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Speaker 1: them be put into a corner that I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they need to be put into, instead of having
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Speaker 1: an adult conversation where you're both just expressing where you're at,
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Speaker 1: what you feel, what you need, what you think. Now,
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Speaker 1: it becomes a blame game, and I think that is
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Speaker 1: a really odd communication style. Emotion cool with it. But
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Speaker 1: if you turn that emotion to be the driving force
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Speaker 1: behind the words that you're using, just so that you
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Speaker 1: can feel better or that you can cure these emotions
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Speaker 1: that are living inside of you, that's where it gets troublesome.
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Speaker 1: I would say it's it's a troublesome when you speak
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Speaker 1: from a place of simply reaction and emotion and not
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Speaker 1: some logic and thought and some idea of Hey, I
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Speaker 1: care about the person sitting across from me. Where am
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Speaker 1: I actually, what am I actually trying to say? Like
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Speaker 1: where am I trying to take this relationship? And this
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Speaker 1: episode felt like it was from starting with Zach. Really
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Speaker 1: in that conversation, I know it was done already. Nope,
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Speaker 1: you know she was cool with it. He was obviously
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Speaker 1: wanting to go into then the Avan scenario. It felt
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Speaker 1: like the driving force behind each conversation was I want
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Speaker 1: to make you feel bad and wrong for the way
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Speaker 1: you're feeling. Yeah, And it's like really yeah a little
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Speaker 1: A lot people hate say that I say the term
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Speaker 1: in the in the wrong way, but I mean I
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Speaker 1: that is gas lighting. Whatever. Isn't that the term right
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Speaker 1: that you were making? Flipping the feelings? I don't know whatever,
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Speaker 1: And let's not even use the word. She's definitely flipping
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Speaker 1: the situation a little bit. Um okay, but let's let's
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Speaker 1: set up the scene with with Avan for a minute,
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Speaker 1: so we meet the family. She's like so thrilled, so
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Speaker 1: excited about them meeting him. She's basically saying like he's Mr. Perfectly.
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Speaker 1: I can't find a flaw on this guy. And after
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Speaker 1: this episode, I feel like all of us has an
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Speaker 1: audience like we still can't find a flaw he's like,
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Speaker 1: I get and we get to know even more in
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Speaker 1: this episode, like we predicted last week and oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: what a what a guy, what a catch? And um okay,
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Speaker 1: So here's the situation. He meets the family. Everything's going
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Speaker 1: swimmingly until he's sitting down with those friends are siblings,
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Speaker 1: fends okay, and they're asking him about his readiness to propose,
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Speaker 1: and he kind of says, for the first time, he
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Speaker 1: wants to propose to her one day, but it may
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Speaker 1: not be like in a couple of days, and you know,
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Speaker 1: all of us at home are it's We're all like logically,
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Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, this is this makes sense, Like that's fine.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to feel ready to propose right now.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, where like we know this show,
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Speaker 1: we know that you're like a villain if you're not
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Speaker 1: ready to propose. And it is hilarious the difference between
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Speaker 1: last week seeing Jason break up with Gabby because or
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, who break up with who
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Speaker 1: in that situation but him, but Jason saying I'm not
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Speaker 1: ready to get engaged, Like there's no way to even
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Speaker 1: approach to the same situation because Jason looked awful. Last week.
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Speaker 1: We were like, I don't like Jason anymore. He was
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Speaker 1: leading her on, he was never being honest. And then
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Speaker 1: with Aven, it's it's totally different. Ben. Why do you
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Speaker 1: think that is besides the fact that they're like, obviously
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Speaker 1: like two different people with like one seems pretty cold
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Speaker 1: in communication style and then Even seems very warm in
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Speaker 1: this communication style. Well, I think there's a lot um,
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Speaker 1: I mean, of his, a lot of reasons why it's
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Speaker 1: different in just how we perceive it. The I mean,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, the one is, uh, the whole show,
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Speaker 1: Jesse Rachel production tried to make it look like Even
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Speaker 1: messed up here, right, and we did, and they failed.
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Speaker 1: They failed, They failed. I thought they really misread the situation. Uh,
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Speaker 1: and they made I don't know if they made him.
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Speaker 1: But Even then comes out and apologizes, which is such
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Speaker 1: a weird thing to do and not exactly um fitting
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Speaker 1: for the things that we saw. Maybe there is more
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but the reason that they wanted to
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Speaker 1: feel like Even wasn't the wrong because they claim. At
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Speaker 1: some point Avid said I'm ready for an engagement. His
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Speaker 1: response to that was, I am ready for an engagement
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Speaker 1: and I'm not ready to leave you, Rachel. I care
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Speaker 1: about you. I can't picture a life without you. I
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Speaker 1: just don't think this is the environment in which I
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Speaker 1: can propose to somebody. I want to see your house
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Speaker 1: in Florida. I want to see your life. I want
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Speaker 1: to start a family with you. I just don't want
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Speaker 1: to start that process here on this show. And so
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Speaker 1: we watch this logically. Like I've said every year, Ashley is,
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Speaker 1: I don't care if the show ends in an engagement.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I like the seasons when it doesn't, because
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Speaker 1: I know now where the people are at walking forward,
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Speaker 1: and we can celebrate them just being a couple. But
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Speaker 1: I really love it when they do get engaged, because
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Speaker 1: then I know you're ready. This is you've prepared, like
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Speaker 1: you've prepared for this for whatever reason, this show has
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Speaker 1: brought you two together, and you feel like you know
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Speaker 1: all the things you need to know to lead you
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Speaker 1: into an engagement. That's cool too. Both are cool and
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Speaker 1: aven I think was being so brutally honest with both
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Speaker 1: the family and the friends and Rachel that we watched
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Speaker 1: it and said, Rachel, what are you missing here? This
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Speaker 1: man is telling you that he cares about you. This
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Speaker 1: man is telling you he does not want to leave you.
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Speaker 1: This man is telling you that he is in it
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Speaker 1: for you, and yet you sit there and say, you
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Speaker 1: can't give me what I want. And he's saying, what
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Speaker 1: do you want then? And she says, I want somebody
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Speaker 1: to to care for me. And he's like, well, I
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Speaker 1: do I care for you. I want somebody ready for
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Speaker 1: an engagement. And he's like, I am ready for an engagement.
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Speaker 1: I didn't lie to you when I said that. What
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Speaker 1: I'm when I when I said that, it just I
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Speaker 1: never said here and now. And so we're watching this going.
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Speaker 1: Rachel's telling him he's wrong and that he's betrayed her
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Speaker 1: or whatever, and he's saying, how have I betrayed you?
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Speaker 1: And she says and he's like, no, I actually just
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Speaker 1: said that I care about you. I actually just said
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Speaker 1: I'm ready for you. I actually just said that that
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Speaker 1: I want to start a family with you. You're just
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Speaker 1: it's just not on the timeline that you desire, Rachel.
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Speaker 1: You're not maybe gonna get engaged at the end of
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Speaker 1: the show. And is that what you want? More than
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Speaker 1: what than a successful and healthy relationship? Maybe maybe that's
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Speaker 1: what she had to say is well, hey, here's the deal.
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Speaker 1: I know you care about me, I know we're great together,
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Speaker 1: but what I really want is for my engagement to
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Speaker 1: be on this show. And he's like, well, I can't
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Speaker 1: give you that, and then they had a disagreement. But
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Speaker 1: that could that could have happened, but that never got
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Speaker 1: brought up. It was more of like a you've betrayed me,
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Speaker 1: you've led me along, and he's like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it that way, but yet, and then
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Speaker 1: as to all stop because I've kind of ranted here. No, no,
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Speaker 1: I love it, and yet he still is the one
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Speaker 1: to apologize, and so I throw it back to you, Ashley.
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Speaker 1: Did you feel like he needed to apologize as often
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Speaker 1: and as much as he did for everything it feels
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Speaker 1: like he said? And did I never felt like? I
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Speaker 1: guess I never felt like he had needed to apologize.
18:39
Speaker 1: And I don't know what he was apologizing for other
18:42
Speaker 1: than maybe just not being more open and honest with
18:44
Speaker 1: her sooner that's why he was apologizing. I want to
18:49
Speaker 1: know whether or not the apology was something that he
18:54
Speaker 1: wanted to do or something that production encouraged him to
18:57
Speaker 1: do in order to look bad her on the live show,
19:03
Speaker 1: and I do think that they're perhaps no, no, no,
19:07
Speaker 1: I'm just then they misread it. Well that's what I mean,
19:11
Speaker 1: like where we like you said, you think that their
19:16
Speaker 1: thought was that the audience was going to be against
19:20
Speaker 1: him and upset for Rachel that she felt led on. Um,
19:26
Speaker 1: and that wasn't the that wasn't the case from the audience.
19:28
Speaker 1: I even did a pull less that on Instagram. I
19:31
Speaker 1: was like, what did I say, Um, we we like
19:34
Speaker 1: even more after this episode? Right? And yeah, of people
19:40
Speaker 1: say they didn't like even more after this episode? Well,
19:44
Speaker 1: I think then there was. I think that's exactly what
19:46
Speaker 1: they were trying to do because Jesse's wording even actually
19:49
Speaker 1: if you listen to it, was making even out to
19:53
Speaker 1: be the bad guy. Uh, it was making it was
19:57
Speaker 1: taking Rachel and being like, you know, you're so hurt. Uh,
20:01
Speaker 1: that was shocking, that was thrown off. Did you feel
20:03
Speaker 1: like that was a twist and a turn and so
20:06
Speaker 1: Jesse and and that's and I like Jesse. I think
20:08
Speaker 1: he's filled in. Well, um, I think he's a good
20:11
Speaker 1: host of this show. I don't I but I do
20:14
Speaker 1: feel like that was a moment where I was watching
20:16
Speaker 1: this episode, I was like, Jesse, You're you are not
20:18
Speaker 1: believable right now, Like the words that you're saying are
20:21
Speaker 1: not fitting what we just watched. You're trying to to
20:25
Speaker 1: twist us and frame this in the light that nobody
20:29
Speaker 1: here is seeing. And I haven't talked to one person
20:32
Speaker 1: to watch last night's episode. And I have a good
20:34
Speaker 1: solide group of from some past contestants and some some
20:37
Speaker 1: producer friends that say that last night's episode really favored Rachel.
20:44
Speaker 1: Everybody was like, I don't understand what was why she
20:48
Speaker 1: was so upset and why he was then apologizing, except
20:51
Speaker 1: for maybe the show wanted it that way. Even is
20:54
Speaker 1: too good of like a soul of a person for
20:59
Speaker 1: them to even be able to get away with choosing
21:02
Speaker 1: Rachel in the side because like he was shining in
21:05
Speaker 1: those moments, because like he couldn't mess up, because like
21:09
Speaker 1: he's too good to like actually mess up, because it
21:11
Speaker 1: wasn't an act or it wasn't like there was something
21:14
Speaker 1: fake about what he was saying like he was it
21:17
Speaker 1: was authentic that he really did want a future with her,
21:20
Speaker 1: just maybe not the ring on the finger. And the
21:23
Speaker 1: bottom line, the big issue here is that she just
21:28
Speaker 1: wanted a ring on her finger. To her, that was love.
21:32
Speaker 1: To him, that was not the declaration of love. Well
21:35
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then my final thing was, hey even apologized,
21:40
Speaker 1: even if the show wanted him to, he did it, right.
21:43
Speaker 1: We the show can tell you to do a thousand
21:45
Speaker 1: different things. You don't have to do it. He did it.
21:47
Speaker 1: And so for whatever reason he felt like it was
21:49
Speaker 1: necessary to apologize. And maybe again, and if so, then
21:54
Speaker 1: we're just talking without knowledge here. Maybe there was things
21:59
Speaker 1: happening behind in the scenes that he did feel like
22:01
Speaker 1: you need to apologize for. Maybe he did leader on.
22:03
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's some of that that we never watched
22:06
Speaker 1: that happened in the fantasy suite, because that's what was
22:08
Speaker 1: continue to be referenced. I don't think it was, because
22:10
Speaker 1: that was never really clearly brought up. But for whatever reason,
22:14
Speaker 1: he felt like, Hey, I need to apologize to this person.
22:18
Speaker 1: I did her unfairly. And so, like you said, I
22:22
Speaker 1: think even as a man of his word, I think
22:24
Speaker 1: from what we know and have seen, he's a good dude.
22:28
Speaker 1: So he felt like it was the right thing to do.
22:31
Speaker 1: And so I say, okay, cool, I just still I
22:34
Speaker 1: guess as a viewer, I'm going why did you, and
22:37
Speaker 1: now I'm here again making assumptions of why he felt
22:40
Speaker 1: like he had to. And I think that hurts Rachel
22:43
Speaker 1: more than it hurts Even because what we saw last
22:46
Speaker 1: night were like, even you have nothing to apologize for. Well,
22:50
Speaker 1: I think the simple answer is I just feel like
22:52
Speaker 1: he's too good, Like he's just like a good person
22:55
Speaker 1: who was like, oh my gosh, I hurt somebody's feelings,
22:57
Speaker 1: and when I hurt somebody's feelings, I apologize for that. Yeah,
23:00
Speaker 1: well that's fair. Um, I just it felt like Bachel
23:05
Speaker 1: Nation was very much as you said, it felt was
23:08
Speaker 1: on the side of even Um, this was just unfortunate.
23:13
Speaker 1: You guys weren't on the same page. That's fair. Maybe
23:16
Speaker 1: it needed in because you weren't on the same page
23:19
Speaker 1: and you didn't have the same interest. But this whole
23:22
Speaker 1: scenario last night, uh felt like he was made out
23:26
Speaker 1: to be a villain, or at least tried to at
23:29
Speaker 1: least have a villain a villain moment, and it was unnecessary,
23:33
Speaker 1: didn't fit, it didn't sit. I don't know anybody today
23:36
Speaker 1: waking up being like that even guy like he's just
23:39
Speaker 1: the worst. Ah that it just felt like the show
23:44
Speaker 1: misread it. And it felt like the whole scenario was awkward.
23:48
Speaker 1: But you think you think that it was different than
23:50
Speaker 1: Jason last week because because Even was saying that he
23:56
Speaker 1: was emotionally like ready to take this on, and like
24:00
Speaker 1: Ajason was saying that like he wasn't there yet. Yeah,
24:02
Speaker 1: I think the difference is Even was like, I still
24:04
Speaker 1: want to be here with you, Like I'm not asking
24:07
Speaker 1: to leave and I'm not breaking up with you. Actually,
24:09
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight to be here for you. Uh. And
24:12
Speaker 1: so Even was just saying, Hey, but if you're wanting
24:14
Speaker 1: a proposal at the end of this, I don't know
24:15
Speaker 1: if I'm the man to give it to you, but
24:18
Speaker 1: I do believe is I'm the man that can be
24:20
Speaker 1: alongside of you past this show where Jason was like,
24:23
Speaker 1: I'm just not ready, which he's pretty much saying, I'm
24:25
Speaker 1: just not that end of you. Like we're getting into
24:27
Speaker 1: the end here and I'm seeing this, I'm like, I
24:28
Speaker 1: don't even want to be with you at the end
24:30
Speaker 1: of this. We're Aven's like, please keep me here. Uh,
24:34
Speaker 1: just let you know. You know, we're a week or
24:36
Speaker 1: so away from the end of this, and this is
24:38
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now. What's funny is I thought
24:51
Speaker 1: they could have given even like a Bachelor edit. You know,
24:56
Speaker 1: I feel like the fantom right, the fandom would be
25:00
Speaker 1: out for him to be the Bachelor. But it wasn't
25:01
Speaker 1: even like they were going with that angle. Jessica hasn't
25:04
Speaker 1: watched one episode this season. She came in last night
25:07
Speaker 1: as he was on TV, and she goes, He's the
25:09
Speaker 1: next Bachelor, right, And I was like, God, She's like,
25:13
Speaker 1: he's he's like good looking, gorgeous and so sweet and
25:17
Speaker 1: he's being very kind and well like who else do
25:22
Speaker 1: they have? And I was like, actually, I'm I'm with you, Hunt,
25:24
Speaker 1: like this dude should be the next Bachelor. Like, I
25:27
Speaker 1: think it would be a huge win for the show.
25:30
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know who's making those decisions anymore,
25:32
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming it's going to be like Meatball or
25:34
Speaker 1: somebody will be chosen. What's happening now? This is just
25:39
Speaker 1: one craziness, all right, Ash walk us through, uh the
25:45
Speaker 1: Tino just because we're backing with the We're going to
25:47
Speaker 1: compare this with the Tino scenario, the Tino's hometown or
25:50
Speaker 1: I guess meeting of the parents. So with Tino, everything
25:55
Speaker 1: kind of just goes hunky dory. It's pretty great. Rachel's
25:59
Speaker 1: dad is an intimidating dude, but he's like, Rachel, I
26:03
Speaker 1: like you. He's like to, you know, we're work work, cool,
26:06
Speaker 1: let's do this. Um. There are only issue that they
26:09
Speaker 1: could bring up with Tino is the fact that, like
26:12
Speaker 1: when it comes to his construction job, he often can
26:15
Speaker 1: work on one building for years long term, long term,
26:20
Speaker 1: and that may not drive with her situation as a pilot.
26:25
Speaker 1: But if that's that's the only problem they have with him,
26:28
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, there's there's just no
26:34
Speaker 1: depth to this, But I don't know, there was like
26:37
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think that like her dad
26:41
Speaker 1: is hard on guys, and he just seemed to drive
26:44
Speaker 1: with him right away. So that was nice to see.
26:48
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know necessarily that there needs to
26:50
Speaker 1: be like any heaviness to it, as if there's like, um,
26:56
Speaker 1: just like a good vibe going on. I think that's
26:58
Speaker 1: a good first meeting ing. It was a good first meeting.
27:03
Speaker 1: I guess it all threw me off when when this
27:05
Speaker 1: whole thing gets very brought up about hometowns and the
27:09
Speaker 1: dad's asking him, you know, why were your was your
27:12
Speaker 1: family not supportive? All of rachel Ones is a supportive family.
27:17
Speaker 1: And Tino's responses, I don't really know what we talked
27:19
Speaker 1: about sports. Oh, that's right, But you know, that's what
27:23
Speaker 1: some guys have with their dads. That's just sometimes the
27:26
Speaker 1: depth of their relationship, which is like, obviously, I'm not
27:29
Speaker 1: encouraging that to be the only thing that you talked
27:32
Speaker 1: about with your dad, but I'm just saying that's the
27:33
Speaker 1: reality of the situation. Is a lot of guys don't
27:36
Speaker 1: get deep with other men. That's fair. But even on
27:40
Speaker 1: this environment, like you would think that you would talk
27:44
Speaker 1: about something. I mean, I guess what I'm confused by,
27:48
Speaker 1: actually is Tino's dad was so anti Rachel to her face,
27:52
Speaker 1: and so anti this environment that you would think that
27:56
Speaker 1: he would have. So it's something to Tina. If he
27:59
Speaker 1: feels so strongly to say it to Rachel, then why
28:01
Speaker 1: not say it to your son. Uh, That's what I'm
28:04
Speaker 1: confused by. I'm not even confused by Tino's dad. Tino's
28:08
Speaker 1: dad based on his social media activity, which, by the way, guys,
28:11
Speaker 1: if you're not not caught up, he basically comments on
28:15
Speaker 1: each episode and he like talks on Rachel with each episode,
28:19
Speaker 1: like last night he was complaining about like her crying
28:22
Speaker 1: so much or something like that. The guy just wants attention.
28:25
Speaker 1: This guy is just like he loves that he has
28:28
Speaker 1: a spotlight on him. That's the only reason why he'd
28:31
Speaker 1: be like so outspoken. I don't think that it's Rachel.
28:34
Speaker 1: I think he was going to create drama in any way.
28:37
Speaker 1: He is the new Barb. He is the Barbed version.
28:41
Speaker 1: But I also think, like I think Barbed in hindsight
28:47
Speaker 1: was being protective and maybe not like going after spotlight. Right,
28:51
Speaker 1: not everything, not everything Barb was saying was like, oh
28:56
Speaker 1: she no, because she loved remember how she loved Angel
29:00
Speaker 1: Hannah Ann. So it's like she did, like she just
29:03
Speaker 1: had opinions with this guy. He just wants to hate.
29:06
Speaker 1: He's just like an internet troll who got a little spotlight.
29:09
Speaker 1: You know, it's really awkward. Is he's ruining the show? Oh,
29:14
Speaker 1: he's spoiling it? Yeah, because to a certain extent, if
29:17
Speaker 1: I mean, Tino's the last one left and Tino's dad
29:21
Speaker 1: is hating on Rachel. So what does that tell us?
29:25
Speaker 1: That tells us that they're probably not together and bad
29:29
Speaker 1: family dynamic. It's so bad. This has made him a
29:33
Speaker 1: strange to his family, probably, But between the scenes in
29:36
Speaker 1: the next episode and what his dad continues to say, yeah,
29:40
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good for the two of them. No,
29:44
Speaker 1: this is not this is not going down a good path. Um,
29:48
Speaker 1: I just I yeah, I don't have much cut to
29:50
Speaker 1: comment on that because I think it's just very inappropriate.
29:53
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for parents and family to be
29:55
Speaker 1: invited into the show when hometowns happened. I think it's
29:58
Speaker 1: really inappropriate when parents um publicly do things that can
30:05
Speaker 1: possibly hurt their child as their child tries to navigate
30:08
Speaker 1: these waters. And I get very I get very frustrated
30:12
Speaker 1: with that because that's just the parents are overstepping their bounds. Um,
30:18
Speaker 1: I would say, and I'd say that Tino's dad's face,
30:21
Speaker 1: stay off of Facebook. You ain't getting any more popular
30:24
Speaker 1: because you're commenting your flame is about to go away.
30:28
Speaker 1: All right. So wait, let's before we wrap with Rachel,
30:33
Speaker 1: which was predominantly the junk of the episode, let's just
30:37
Speaker 1: let's talk about those scenes to the next episode, because
30:40
Speaker 1: we do only have one guy left for her. It's Tino,
30:43
Speaker 1: and we knew she like we really knew last week
30:46
Speaker 1: she was going to end up with Tina, which also
30:47
Speaker 1: like kind of makes me feel like the whole Aven
30:49
Speaker 1: thing was like a big, like over exaggeration, like she
30:53
Speaker 1: just didn't want him to leave because she said to him,
30:55
Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with you, and she said to Tino,
30:58
Speaker 1: I am in love with you. It was like so different.
31:01
Speaker 1: We knew that she was gonna pick Tina. Um. But anyway,
31:05
Speaker 1: so there's one guy left, and in the scenes we
31:07
Speaker 1: see that she says like, oh my god, Gabby, how
31:10
Speaker 1: exciting this is. We get to um get engaged today
31:13
Speaker 1: to the loves of our lives, like they're perfect men.
31:16
Speaker 1: We're getting engaged. Like yeah, Rachel is very very focused
31:19
Speaker 1: on the engagement. And then we see her and Tino
31:25
Speaker 1: in like big fight, and if I'm using my bachelor's senses,
31:31
Speaker 1: the fight looks like it may have occurred at a
31:33
Speaker 1: different time and place, just because they look a little different,
31:36
Speaker 1: you know, his hairs a little longer, So possibly they
31:41
Speaker 1: do get engaged. And then this fight is afterward a
31:45
Speaker 1: law of Becca and Ari or a Hannah and Jed,
31:51
Speaker 1: so we'll see, but we'd still get no previews of
31:55
Speaker 1: like a knee down or anything like that for either
31:59
Speaker 1: a the girls, we see Gabby. We only see Gabby
32:04
Speaker 1: at the altar, you know, in her dress, waiting for
32:09
Speaker 1: a man to approach. I thought we said, no we
32:11
Speaker 1: saw Rachel. We do we see Rachel alter situation. Maybe
32:17
Speaker 1: it's just because I keep thinking about Gabby's adorable like
32:20
Speaker 1: Mexican theme dress. Oh yeah, but Rachel was there? Okay, okay, okay, okay.
32:27
Speaker 1: Uh so basically seen the next episode. Do you take
32:30
Speaker 1: anything away that I missed? Uh? No, I think your
32:34
Speaker 1: spot on. I think we can assume that something happened.
32:38
Speaker 1: We should make a lot of sense for again, why
32:40
Speaker 1: Tino's dad is outspoken against Rachel. Um, we can assume
32:45
Speaker 1: that based on the facial expressions, uh, that Gabby is
32:49
Speaker 1: still very happy? Um? Can we? Gabby seemed very happy
32:54
Speaker 1: last night when she's yeah in the little square, the
32:58
Speaker 1: Yellow Square. Okay, that's like a whole other thing we
33:00
Speaker 1: should talk about last episode. Last night's episode, we saw
33:05
Speaker 1: the girl's facial expressions throughout almost the entire show. This
33:10
Speaker 1: little Yellow Bucks where we've got a live feed of
33:13
Speaker 1: them watching themselves. Now, it's fun in the certain in
33:19
Speaker 1: the sense that like we get to see like all
33:23
Speaker 1: the reactions, right, we get to see like how they
33:26
Speaker 1: are watching this bag. You're looking for all these um
33:30
Speaker 1: like body language signs that will give us teasers as
33:35
Speaker 1: to what's to come. But at the same time, it
33:38
Speaker 1: might be like a little that's fun to try to
33:41
Speaker 1: figure out somebod's facial expressions. You know. I do that
33:43
Speaker 1: here when they come on the show, and I like
33:44
Speaker 1: try to say the guy's name and see if they smile.
33:48
Speaker 1: But it's also like a little spoiling because we see
33:51
Speaker 1: the entire time that Rachel looks miserable. She didn't crack
33:55
Speaker 1: a smile. Okay, maybe she cracked a smile, but she
33:57
Speaker 1: cracked fake smiles. Whenever Rachel would smile, you knew it
34:03
Speaker 1: was like so for the cameras most for the most part,
34:08
Speaker 1: she's she watched that episode with a straight face, if
34:13
Speaker 1: not a frownie face. Like that is not a happy
34:17
Speaker 1: girl right now. That is not a girl who wants
34:19
Speaker 1: to like next week to happen, you know what I mean.
34:23
Speaker 1: You know, like when you have something that you dread
34:24
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, that day it's there,
34:26
Speaker 1: it's lingering, and I'm dreading it, like I'm counting, like
34:31
Speaker 1: I'm savoring every hour until we get to that day.
34:34
Speaker 1: I feel like that's how she feels about the finale.
34:37
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think Guarantino are together anymore, but
34:39
Speaker 1: we'll see. And then Ben Ben mentions that Gabby is
34:43
Speaker 1: smiling the entire time. I think Gabby is overall just
34:47
Speaker 1: a little bit more happy, go lucky in comparison to Rachel.
34:51
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say she looks her happiest. Yeah, I
34:57
Speaker 1: guess I read it as Gabby was trying I mean,
35:01
Speaker 1: in comparison, Yeah, I read it as Gabby was trying
35:04
Speaker 1: to be there for Rachel last night. If great, Gabby
35:06
Speaker 1: was very happy knowing what this episode looked like to Rachel,
35:10
Speaker 1: and she was just like, ah, this is so good
35:12
Speaker 1: for me, sorry, buddy, like sucks for you, like she said,
35:16
Speaker 1: she made the comment when I'm a good when you're
35:17
Speaker 1: a good friend, when you're actually friends with somebody, when
35:20
Speaker 1: they hurt, you hurt, and she already knows some sweet
35:23
Speaker 1: how this plays out. So I just I didn't. I mean,
35:27
Speaker 1: I think Gabby's fine. She seems very at peace, very confident.
35:31
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the end of the episode. Actually,
35:33
Speaker 1: if you haven't got a chance go watch the very
35:35
Speaker 1: end of the episode where Jesse signing off and the
35:37
Speaker 1: two bachelors are staying there. Tell me which one you
35:40
Speaker 1: if you didn't know anything about this season and you
35:42
Speaker 1: looked at that scene, like which one seems happy and
35:44
Speaker 1: which one doesn't. One seems like she's still happy she
35:48
Speaker 1: got the experience, and one seems that she was like,
35:52
Speaker 1: I wish she never did this. That's what I'm thinking.
35:55
Speaker 1: I think Gabby like she's also on Dancing with the Stars.
35:57
Speaker 1: She's still getting like cool opportunities. So is I don't
36:00
Speaker 1: know that she's I think she's just happy to be there,
36:03
Speaker 1: even if she's not happy in a relationship. That's just
36:05
Speaker 1: my interpretation of it. But I also just to pick
36:07
Speaker 1: up a little body language queue. When we went into
36:11
Speaker 1: the scene of Eric clarifying to Gabby that he wasn't
36:17
Speaker 1: also ready for an engagement, I saw Rachel put her
36:21
Speaker 1: hand on Gabby as if like I'm here for you
36:24
Speaker 1: for this now interesting. Yeah, okay, so let's get into
36:28
Speaker 1: Eric and Gabby. Yeah, let's take a quick break before that,
36:32
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be right back. So the Eric and
36:44
Speaker 1: Gabby situation, Ashley, how is this situation different than Avan
36:49
Speaker 1: and Rachel, because Eric pretty much does and says something
36:54
Speaker 1: very similar is I can't Well, first off, the whole
36:58
Speaker 1: date itself very sweet up until the moment where they're
37:01
Speaker 1: kissing and she's like I can't wait and blah blah blah,
37:03
Speaker 1: and then he says he says a line the music stops.
37:06
Speaker 1: It gets super awkward just watching on television where he's like, um,
37:11
Speaker 1: like I can't wait to just like be with you
37:13
Speaker 1: after this or something like he hinted at not proposing
37:17
Speaker 1: to her then and she date you in the real world, Yeah,
37:21
Speaker 1: date you in the real world, and she pulled back yeah,
37:24
Speaker 1: and was like, oh no, what me? But then but
37:32
Speaker 1: then it felt like there was like, um, a mutual
37:35
Speaker 1: understanding I don't know, for a while, but then it
37:37
Speaker 1: kind of ended abruptly and Gabby was upset. So I
37:44
Speaker 1: guess two questions for you, actually, what made this different
37:47
Speaker 1: than Aven? And why? What did it not feel as contentious?
37:51
Speaker 1: And then where do you think this goes? And what
37:53
Speaker 1: do you think we're actually watching? Okay, so I think
37:56
Speaker 1: it's probably different than even Once again, I do think
37:59
Speaker 1: that like a and has like a certain like warmth
38:02
Speaker 1: and wonderful communication style. I think we've seen the communication
38:07
Speaker 1: between Gabby and Eric not be always perfect before, so
38:11
Speaker 1: now here's like another moment. Then. I also think it's
38:16
Speaker 1: different because he's her final one. He was the one
38:20
Speaker 1: who made a big point last week about her not
38:23
Speaker 1: wanting to really do fantasy sweeps with the other guys,
38:26
Speaker 1: and now here he is as the final guy after
38:28
Speaker 1: exchanging I love us and like, okay, this is gonna
38:31
Speaker 1: be happily ever after with us two. Um oh yeah,
38:36
Speaker 1: Like I'm the last guy and I still don't really
38:39
Speaker 1: want to propose to you. So that's the that's the difference.
38:44
Speaker 1: I think she doesn't really have any other options on
38:47
Speaker 1: the table. But I also think it's the communication thing.
38:50
Speaker 1: It's just like, wait a second, what's another time that
38:53
Speaker 1: we have not seen eye to eye, another time that
38:56
Speaker 1: you haven't told me exactly how you feel. Yeah, well,
39:05
Speaker 1: the family, like we also we breathed over the family situation.
39:07
Speaker 1: The family liked him, what is I you know? Yeah,
39:11
Speaker 1: his family just seems super sweet and like they're going
39:14
Speaker 1: to be supportive either way. And Grandpa had already met him.
39:18
Speaker 1: I don't know that grand I mean, Grandpa says that
39:20
Speaker 1: he likes him. I don't think Grandpa is always sold. Yeah,
39:24
Speaker 1: I don't think Grandpa is totally sold. I think he
39:26
Speaker 1: was like Eric, Eric, the guy that I met, he's
39:28
Speaker 1: the final one. This this is also me assuming what's
39:31
Speaker 1: going on in Grandpa's mind whatever. I'm just assuming. But
39:34
Speaker 1: to me, the entire time, I have not been sold
39:37
Speaker 1: on Eric. For her, I have not been. We had
39:40
Speaker 1: that one moment at his house where I was like, oh,
39:44
Speaker 1: this is so emotional and bonding. But other than that,
39:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really feel it. I when
39:51
Speaker 1: it comes to Grandpa John, I think he is handling
39:53
Speaker 1: this situation just like any family member should. He's supportive,
39:58
Speaker 1: he's asking a good questions, he's making sure that he's
40:00
Speaker 1: seeing the situation for what it is. But he's also
40:03
Speaker 1: not stepping in the way of stuff that he doesn't
40:06
Speaker 1: know anything about, Like he's not stepping in the way
40:08
Speaker 1: of a process, or he's not stepping in the way
40:11
Speaker 1: of Gabby's feelings. He's listening and he's saying, Hey, I'm
40:14
Speaker 1: just happy that my Gabby, my ding bat is so like,
40:18
Speaker 1: is so good right now? You know this Eric guy,
40:22
Speaker 1: he's he if Gabby is into him and he's into her,
40:26
Speaker 1: then like my own personal opinions of what she should
40:29
Speaker 1: be dating doesn't really matter because it's making her happy.
40:34
Speaker 1: Grandpa John has handled from last season of this season
40:37
Speaker 1: the show perfectly. I mean, he's gone on dates and
40:41
Speaker 1: he's been funny and he's laughing, he's been himself. He's
40:43
Speaker 1: gone to hometowns and now to family visits and he
40:46
Speaker 1: he's still just you can tell he has wisdom under
40:50
Speaker 1: his belt. That's what comes with age. I think if
40:52
Speaker 1: you let it, and uh, I think he's shined. I
40:57
Speaker 1: don't think you'd ever get out of him if he
41:00
Speaker 1: wasn't into Eric or not. I don't think that. I don't.
41:03
Speaker 1: I think if he had like some big red flags, maybe,
41:05
Speaker 1: but just like his own personal preference based on what
41:07
Speaker 1: he knows in a very short period of time, I
41:09
Speaker 1: just don't think he seems like the type of guy
41:12
Speaker 1: that would be outspoken on stuff he does not know
41:14
Speaker 1: much about. You're that was so well put, Ben, so
41:18
Speaker 1: well put? How do you fail about Eric and Gabby?
41:21
Speaker 1: I keep saying that, like, I'm not sold on Eric,
41:23
Speaker 1: but I don't hear about What do you think about Eric? Yeah?
41:25
Speaker 1: I think I actually I'm a fan of it. Uh
41:28
Speaker 1: I think up until this point, I didn't know really
41:34
Speaker 1: Eric's feelings towards Gabby. I'm very interesting. I think I'll
41:39
Speaker 1: be able to tell you confidently obviously after next week.
41:42
Speaker 1: I just I want Eric and it comes to this
41:46
Speaker 1: relationship if he's really into Gabby, to show that he's
41:48
Speaker 1: really into Gabby, um, you know, to say it, to
41:53
Speaker 1: show it. It doesn't feel like any of the guys
41:56
Speaker 1: really in the final six are like intenly pursuing the
42:02
Speaker 1: bachelorette other than Tino. Tino seemed very confident and sold out.
42:06
Speaker 1: You know, you might like it or not, but he
42:08
Speaker 1: seems very confident that Rachel is the person for him.
42:12
Speaker 1: Nobody else on either side is like really that, like
42:16
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a day without you type emotion, uh,
42:21
Speaker 1: which usually we see we see tears with people getting
42:25
Speaker 1: broken up with We see tears in these final weeks
42:27
Speaker 1: because people are so like their hearts are breaking, because
42:31
Speaker 1: they're so in love. We're not seeing that. It just
42:34
Speaker 1: feels like all these people are out there, like I
42:36
Speaker 1: Love Island, just to kind of date and see if
42:38
Speaker 1: they end up at the end together, which again I'm
42:41
Speaker 1: okay with. I just want to know what we missed
42:45
Speaker 1: this season or what the bachelorettes missed or what the
42:47
Speaker 1: cast members missed were like, everybody's so okay not really
42:52
Speaker 1: diving into these relationships because yeah, like Eric, you can
42:56
Speaker 1: get we seemed great together, but we don't know much
42:57
Speaker 1: about how he feels yet. The only thing we know
42:59
Speaker 1: now is that he's not He's like once the date,
43:01
Speaker 1: he just cool too. But I just keep thinking with Eric,
43:07
Speaker 1: she keeps saying, I feel so honored to be loved
43:13
Speaker 1: by a man like Eric. Just repeats over and over again,
43:17
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I don't see like necessarily the
43:22
Speaker 1: character that you're talking about based on you know, on
43:24
Speaker 1: the show, not to say that it doesn't exist, just
43:26
Speaker 1: like I haven't really like seen why it's so incredible,
43:29
Speaker 1: Like I can kind of I would be okay with
43:33
Speaker 1: Rachel saying that about even that would make sense to me,
43:36
Speaker 1: but like, I don't haven't seen anything with with Eric.
43:41
Speaker 1: It's just you too, like he should be saying like
43:45
Speaker 1: I can't believe that a girl like Gabby would want
43:48
Speaker 1: to be with me. Yeah I'm so lucky. Um, yeah,
43:53
Speaker 1: I agree. It's also weird. Maybe I was just reading
43:57
Speaker 1: into it when she came to the door, he like
43:59
Speaker 1: tried to kiss her in the cheese. I don't know
44:01
Speaker 1: if you saw that, but that feels it feels like
44:05
Speaker 1: odd for somebody you're in love with. Is like when
44:06
Speaker 1: you haven't seen him in a few days and they
44:08
Speaker 1: show up to your door and you give a little
44:10
Speaker 1: kiss on the cheek. Yeah. I don't know, just a
44:13
Speaker 1: small note. Well leading into next week, Ashley, Uh, we've
44:19
Speaker 1: now have all the family visits completed. We had the
44:24
Speaker 1: episode last night where it's like semi live, semi filmed.
44:29
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if people and I
44:31
Speaker 1: don't know nowadays if people just really enjoy hating on
44:34
Speaker 1: the show, if that's why they watch it, or if
44:37
Speaker 1: like they really just didn't enjoy last night's episode. But
44:39
Speaker 1: it feels like for the last couple of weeks people
44:41
Speaker 1: are more negative towards the whole show and not just
44:45
Speaker 1: towards like the villain, which used to be the case.
44:48
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will change. I don't know
44:51
Speaker 1: where we go from here when it comes to the show,
44:53
Speaker 1: But it felt like last night's episode kind of missed
44:55
Speaker 1: or majorly missed on on a lot of the topics
44:59
Speaker 1: that were being done uh, and it just kind of
45:02
Speaker 1: felt like, again I I watched it, and I could
45:04
Speaker 1: be wrong, and I preferace this was saying that Jesse
45:08
Speaker 1: I think has done a great job. I felt like
45:10
Speaker 1: last night Jesse Palmer was was not believable. I didn't
45:14
Speaker 1: watch him and go, you are the unbiased console and
45:19
Speaker 1: host of this show who is helping clarify things that
45:23
Speaker 1: are unclarifiable to the viewer. I feel like last night
45:27
Speaker 1: he had an agenda that he was probably um given
45:30
Speaker 1: and he was trying to get us to complete that
45:32
Speaker 1: and to believe in this agenda, and I just don't
45:34
Speaker 1: think it worked, which made me go, I don't know.
45:37
Speaker 1: I As a result, about halfway through those little like
45:40
Speaker 1: live breakouts, I was like, I don't want to need
45:42
Speaker 1: to watch this, Like this is just this is bogus
45:44
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I will say that there are moments
45:49
Speaker 1: where I was like, that question definitely came from an earpiece. Yeah,
45:54
Speaker 1: it fell off. So we do look forward to next week.
45:58
Speaker 1: There's a lot to break down. I'm interested in what
46:01
Speaker 1: this whole Tina Rachel scenario looks like. I want them
46:05
Speaker 1: both happy. I'm still in the UH in the camp
46:10
Speaker 1: of both of them. I don't think this was Rachel's
46:13
Speaker 1: best episode. I don't think. I think we're really confused
46:18
Speaker 1: on why she handled the things she did the way
46:20
Speaker 1: she did. But I want them both walking out of
46:23
Speaker 1: this happy and so let's see if that leads last week.
46:25
Speaker 1: The only reason I would say I think they're both
46:27
Speaker 1: doing okay is because there's no way they would have
46:30
Speaker 1: a teaser that dramatic and that full of tears unless
46:33
Speaker 1: this ends with a happy ending or they're just you
46:36
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think that Rachel's happy based on
46:39
Speaker 1: her facial expressions. I can't do it. I can't do it,
46:43
Speaker 1: but you might be right about Gabby and I hope so.
46:45
Speaker 1: And then, what's up with this interactive fan experience that
46:47
Speaker 1: is going to change everything? What do you think that
46:50
Speaker 1: is interact? Oh my god, oh MG, it just popped
46:55
Speaker 1: in my head when you asked the question. I think
46:57
Speaker 1: that maybe they'll do a vote on who should be bad,
47:00
Speaker 1: perfect love it? I think they should. Why not? They
47:04
Speaker 1: should let's bring Bachelor Nation in. They'd have to have
47:07
Speaker 1: these guys contracted and all ready to go, and then
47:10
Speaker 1: they'd have to be like, Okay, of these four guys,
47:13
Speaker 1: who do you want to be the bachelor. That would
47:14
Speaker 1: be the best thing ever. That would be sick. Oh
47:17
Speaker 1: my god, let's go. Let's go. You heard it here
47:21
Speaker 1: first on the Almost Famous podcast. We believe that they
47:24
Speaker 1: are going to let us vote on who will be
47:26
Speaker 1: the next Bachelor, and that to us sounds like a
47:29
Speaker 1: great idea. Hey, Ashley, it's time for bachelor headlines. We
47:34
Speaker 1: have a lot of them today. Um so let's take
47:35
Speaker 1: a break and we come back. We're gonna break down
47:37
Speaker 1: all the things going on in Bachelor Nation. It's a lot.
47:51
Speaker 1: First headline is this Bachelor Nation's Nate, who was with
47:55
Speaker 1: at one point Michelle admits the way he broke up
47:58
Speaker 1: with Michelle Young was a and I quote dick move.
48:02
Speaker 1: This according to e Okay, So, Nate was on Nick's
48:07
Speaker 1: podcast last week, and he really spilled a lot of guts.
48:11
Speaker 1: I write a lot of the articles that recapped the
48:15
Speaker 1: podcast saw I'm a friend Nick and did not listen.
48:20
Speaker 1: But Nate said these are the big quotes that came
48:23
Speaker 1: out of it. Okay. He said his relationship with her
48:26
Speaker 1: was rough. There were a lot of ups and downs,
48:28
Speaker 1: a lot of arguments and fights and not really clicking,
48:30
Speaker 1: not really seeing eye to eye. There was a moment
48:34
Speaker 1: in January where like they almost basically broke up and
48:38
Speaker 1: they got through, and then there was a whole bunch
48:41
Speaker 1: of controversy speculation about what was going on when they
48:44
Speaker 1: attended Wango Tango, which was actually like with us, you know,
48:48
Speaker 1: it's an I heeart thing. Um. Basically they were not
48:52
Speaker 1: broken up at Windo Tango. That was a trip where
48:56
Speaker 1: they were going to celebrate her birthday. They're going to
48:59
Speaker 1: go the con, sir, but things are really rocky, and
49:01
Speaker 1: he even admits he's like, you go and watch press
49:04
Speaker 1: interviews of us at like the concert, I am not
49:10
Speaker 1: really present, Like you can just tell I'm not present
49:13
Speaker 1: because things are really awkward. So they were having really
49:16
Speaker 1: deep conversations about like their compatibility at this point, and
49:23
Speaker 1: they end up breaking up finally, or he kind of
49:26
Speaker 1: breaks up with her over a phone call. And this
49:31
Speaker 1: is Afterway and Go Tango. The phone call was about
49:34
Speaker 1: them going to c m A Fest in Nashville the
49:40
Speaker 1: following week, and they're like at both at airports and
49:44
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out their schedule and she says, Hey,
49:49
Speaker 1: if we're not doing c m A Fest this next week,
49:52
Speaker 1: we have to give them a reason why. And then
49:55
Speaker 1: he goes, I just blurted out we're not doing c
49:58
Speaker 1: m as because I can't be with you anymore. He goes, so, yeah,
50:03
Speaker 1: I broke up with her over the phone, which is
50:06
Speaker 1: a dick move. Uh yeah. So he also continues to
50:12
Speaker 1: talk about how like she says she said to us
50:16
Speaker 1: and she said to Caitlin on her podcast that she
50:18
Speaker 1: was blindsided by the split the split. But he goes,
50:21
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could feel blindsided, um, when
50:25
Speaker 1: like there were just so many conversations about her incompatibility,
50:29
Speaker 1: how he almost broke up so many times. But she
50:32
Speaker 1: keep But he then says, like, you can't tell somebody
50:34
Speaker 1: how to feel. So that's how she felt. I can't
50:36
Speaker 1: take that away from her. But I know that the
50:39
Speaker 1: reality of it is that this wasn't our first time
50:43
Speaker 1: talking about the breakup. Cool wow, hard and heavy stuff.
50:49
Speaker 1: Heavy stuff, I mean the phone. I don't know. I've
50:51
Speaker 1: broken up with somebody over the phone before. I've been
50:53
Speaker 1: broken up with over the phone before. Yeah, I don't know.
50:58
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a good move, it's not the
51:00
Speaker 1: best move. But breaking up in general is just so
51:03
Speaker 1: weird and hard and difficult that if you can even
51:06
Speaker 1: get to the point of doing it, I'm like, all right, now,
51:08
Speaker 1: there's better ways to do it than others. So, uh,
51:11
Speaker 1: he did spill his beans. If you want to hear
51:12
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you can listen to Nick's podcast. Next
51:16
Speaker 1: headline is this This one is. Um has made a
51:19
Speaker 1: lot of headlines this week, and I know, uh yeah,
51:25
Speaker 1: it's it feels like it did not become as prevalent
51:30
Speaker 1: of a story as it would have a year ago.
51:33
Speaker 1: And I don't know why, but here's the headline. The
51:37
Speaker 1: Bachelor at Start, Eric, who is still with Gavy, apologized
51:41
Speaker 1: for black face photo from high school yearbook. This according
51:43
Speaker 1: to Deadline. Yeah, so in the high school yearbook, he's
51:46
Speaker 1: twenty nine. So do the math of his you know,
51:49
Speaker 1: a decade ago. Basically that there was a picture of
51:53
Speaker 1: him dressed up. I think it's a gym. I think
51:55
Speaker 1: it's a Jimmy Hendrix costume or something, and the quote
52:01
Speaker 1: next to it is it was well, there's like really
52:03
Speaker 1: no context. It looks like it was like, obviously obviously
52:07
Speaker 1: it was a costume. Um, but he goes. So it
52:11
Speaker 1: started circulating on the internet. People were like, this is
52:14
Speaker 1: this is Eric from The Bachelor in his yearbook a
52:17
Speaker 1: decade ago. Um, So he apologized. He went on Instagram
52:22
Speaker 1: and said, I wholeheartedly apologize for the insensitive photo of
52:26
Speaker 1: me in black face from my high school yearbook that
52:28
Speaker 1: has been circulating. What I thought at the time was,
52:32
Speaker 1: um yeah, representation of my love for Jimmy Jimmy Hendricks.
52:35
Speaker 1: It was nothing but ignorance. I was naive to the
52:40
Speaker 1: I was naive to the hurtful implications of my actions
52:44
Speaker 1: to the black community and those closest to me, and
52:47
Speaker 1: I will forever regret my offensive and damaging behavior. I
52:50
Speaker 1: am deeply ashamed by my actions and understand that my
52:54
Speaker 1: apology is only the first step in taking accountability. Uh
53:00
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me, outside of all this, that a
53:03
Speaker 1: yearbook would put it in the year I mean, this
53:05
Speaker 1: isn't just a photo. This is something like there was
53:07
Speaker 1: editors and there was a school approval where this picture
53:10
Speaker 1: was posted in the yearbook. Um you know which. My
53:16
Speaker 1: maces make us ask more questions, But that's the headline.
53:20
Speaker 1: He has apologized again. If I wouldn't be on those
53:24
Speaker 1: Bachelor like scoop pages, I would have never known this
53:28
Speaker 1: was happening. This is. I don't know if that's a
53:30
Speaker 1: telling fact of where the Bachelor's that today or if
53:32
Speaker 1: it's just the way things are, but it is a
53:35
Speaker 1: big deal. It's I think what you're saying her, if
53:39
Speaker 1: I reading between the lines, is we had this huge controversy,
53:46
Speaker 1: huge with Rachel and Matt, you know, with her and
53:50
Speaker 1: a plant you know, and at a plantation in address,
53:54
Speaker 1: and then this doesn't make huge headlines. This doesn't rock
53:58
Speaker 1: interesting to me, Like why the question be why anyways? Uh?
54:03
Speaker 1: New Dancing with the Stars competitor Gabby Bachelor at Gabby
54:07
Speaker 1: reflects on her Bachelor experience as Rachelson's love from afar
54:13
Speaker 1: this according to people, so obviously she's very excited um
54:19
Speaker 1: about being on Dancing with the Star. She says it's
54:20
Speaker 1: gonna be different in a good way. She says she
54:22
Speaker 1: feels she feels lucky enough to have this momentum. I
54:28
Speaker 1: think I grew so much over the past two seasons
54:30
Speaker 1: that now I really get to challenge myself in a
54:32
Speaker 1: different way. I think there's gonna be a lot of
54:35
Speaker 1: actual vulnerability that comes to this position because nobody knows
54:39
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Um, plus you have to perform live
54:43
Speaker 1: so She says she feels like she's had good building
54:46
Speaker 1: blocks for this. It's gonna be interesting to watch Gabby
54:50
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars. We will be watching. It's
54:53
Speaker 1: gonna be streaming this year and streaming only. Alfonso Roberto
54:56
Speaker 1: joins Tire Banks as a host the cast. This looks
55:00
Speaker 1: pretty good to me, surprising because um, you know, it
55:04
Speaker 1: is streaming. I thought they would have a little drop off.
55:06
Speaker 1: But this is a pretty good group of people compared
55:08
Speaker 1: to what they've been able to get in the past.
55:09
Speaker 1: And we'll be rooting on Gabby. Uh from at least
55:12
Speaker 1: the comfort of my couch. Jared and I were saying
55:15
Speaker 1: that yesterday, we were like, wow, this cast is really
55:17
Speaker 1: great for the switchover exactly. Well, big headline this week
55:22
Speaker 1: is Bachelor at season twelve alum James McCoy Taylor arrested
55:26
Speaker 1: for du yeah d w I and carrying a weapon.
55:32
Speaker 1: This according to US Weekly, Actually, what's happening here? Somewhere
55:37
Speaker 1: in here two he was with an eighteen year old girl,
55:39
Speaker 1: I believe, right exactly. Um, well, James Sailor has a
55:43
Speaker 1: whole bunch of tweets if you want to read his
55:47
Speaker 1: response to the arrest. But right, now we are just
55:50
Speaker 1: going to respond. Um, we are just going to tell
55:53
Speaker 1: you the facts that we have from us weekly. Um. So, yes,
55:58
Speaker 1: he was arrested at the College Point police station. That's
56:04
Speaker 1: because he was in a college area. He was actually
56:07
Speaker 1: supposedly driving a girl back to her dorm, an eighteen
56:12
Speaker 1: year old back to her dorm um when he was
56:16
Speaker 1: pulled over for a drunk driving and then while the
56:20
Speaker 1: car was being searched, our weapon was found in the car.
56:25
Speaker 1: Uh he I believe. He says that it was his
56:29
Speaker 1: his dad's UM. But yeah, So he was released on bond,
56:35
Speaker 1: and he has been held under two separate um accounts.
56:39
Speaker 1: One was a two thousand dollar fine for his d
56:42
Speaker 1: w I and then there's a four thousand dollar bond
56:46
Speaker 1: for his possession up the firearm. And yeah, that's all
56:51
Speaker 1: we can really share right now. Yeah, I'm reading his
56:55
Speaker 1: tweets as we speak, like I there, yeah, yeah, I
57:03
Speaker 1: mean yeah there. You can read him for what you want. Um.
57:08
Speaker 1: He says that he thinks the girl was of age,
57:10
Speaker 1: I mean eighteen, Like I do believe like she's of age.
57:13
Speaker 1: It just looks like pretty bad to be I mean,
57:17
Speaker 1: she's not off drinking age, but of like conceexual consent
57:20
Speaker 1: and we don't want to even that's I'm just again,
57:23
Speaker 1: we don't know what they were doing together in the car.
57:27
Speaker 1: He was with an eightier mural driving her back to
57:29
Speaker 1: the dorm. That's all we know. Um, it's just is
57:33
Speaker 1: a bad look. This is a bad look. Yeah. I
57:35
Speaker 1: mean he's trying well, but he's drunk driving and that's
57:42
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He's just trying to get everybody. Like he said,
57:45
Speaker 1: people are gonna hate. I'm sure they are, but he's
57:47
Speaker 1: trying to just convince people of another story. You can
57:51
Speaker 1: read it. But as far as we know, he got
57:55
Speaker 1: a d w I, he was arrested, he did p
57:57
Speaker 1: by his truck. He did admit that at least. Uh.
58:00
Speaker 1: And that's how the headlines we got for your Day.
58:02
Speaker 1: So Ashley, We'll be back next week breaking down the
58:06
Speaker 1: final finale of this season. It's final finale. It's gonna
58:11
Speaker 1: be three hours. Um. People are talking about the three
58:16
Speaker 1: hours and how they can possibly do three hours after
58:19
Speaker 1: we see that both girls only have one guy left. Yeah,
58:23
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's going to be something, but it
58:26
Speaker 1: is gonna be airing next week. We are going to
58:28
Speaker 1: be watching, We're gonna be reading on both bachelorettes until
58:31
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