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Dean Dwyer: ‘Manifesting,’ Self-Worship, And Worldly Philosophies · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey friends, welcome to the podcast world view matters. I want to talk about manifesting today
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  So if you don't know what that is manifesting is the so-called
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  ability to
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  Cosmically attract success in life through positive self-talk visualization symbolic action and
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  The more you listen to celebrities these days the more you realize that they really are in bondage to some very strange ideas
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  The practice of manifesting is not a new idea, but its popularity continues as it's so-called practitioners continue to proclaim
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  It's efficacy in their lives celebrities like Opa Oprah Winfrey Jim Carey lady Gaga
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  Drake and many others claim to have success about this Ariana Grande has a song about it
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  We're gonna talk about that with our great pastor friend Dean Dwyer from Australia. That's next
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  Welcome to world view matters discussing controversial issues
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  discerning current events
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  Defending biblical Christianity
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  No topic off limits and now here's your host David Fiorazo
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  Okay, so I want to point you to Harbinger's Daily one of our show sponsors and Dean is one of the contributors there
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  He's got some great articles and this one today is called the secret of
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  Manifestation is a cultism and the worship of
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  self
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  My goodness do we need to talk about this today
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  Dean Dwyer good to connect with you again brother
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  Could I from the land and on the David good to see you again brother. Yeah, good to see you too
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  You know, it's always good to have you on and it's great the technology allows us to do this because we're on different different times different continents
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  That's right. I can say good morning to you. You can say good afternoon to me
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  That's right, but okay, brother. So great great article an important topic. I'm so glad you decided to write on this before we dive in though
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  I want to give our viewers and our listeners our audience is growing praise God
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  I want to introduce them to you if they haven't seen you on this podcast before
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  But also give them an opportunity to pray for you and your wife would you please just condense what both of you are going through so we can pray effectively
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  Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the opportunity my wife is currently
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  basing her 11th day in hospital at the moment. She had a scheduled operation to
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  Have what's called a collectime, which is the removal of the bowel tissue
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  She had a very serious
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  inflammatory bowel condition called ulcerative colitis so for any of your viewers and listeners who live with that condition
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  They know it can be exceptionally painful and before they
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  Invented this surgery to deal with ulcerative colitis in having the collectime
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  It had a mortality rate of 30 to 40 percent. So it was a condition which did lead to a very slow and painful death
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  So we appreciate God's wisdom giving that to doctors surgeons et cetera
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  So she's recovering recovering will be it slowly and so we're keen to welcome her home again
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  But it will be a lengthy recovery and then for me
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  Unfortunately, she'll just get home and then I'll go into hospital
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  I'll have my third and final spinal surgery and that's as a result of
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  Just minding my own business on a motorcycle back in November 2023
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  And I got pummeled by a vehicle from behind so ended up with some
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  Spinal fractures a couple of spinal operations and now this will just be the third and final to remove that metal
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  Which had been stabilizing everything. So looking forward to getting all of that behind us getting back to the focus of the ministry
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  Because the times are urgent and we really need to be standing up and speaking out because there's darkness
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  That which is really enveloping the world at the moment
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  Amen, brother. So friends there's an opportunity remember to prefer pastor Dean and it's Elsa, right
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  Correct. Well done. She'll be so pleased you pronounced it now, right?
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  Well shout out to Elsa and get home from the hospital soon recover quickly and you too
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  God protect you and has have his hand all over you when you go in for that surgery brother
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  So before we get to the article on this manifestation you wrote another article that's more recent
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  And it's it's kind of transitions in a way to what we're going to talk about
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  the use of sorcery and
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  The spirituality and the world war of one that period would you care to talk a little bit about that before we jump into manifestation
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  Yeah, thank you. Thanks to Harbinger's daily that article is just up very recently
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  So when we look at sorcery that's the Greek word farm a chaos
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  So we often automatically just go straight to thinking about drugs when we think about farm a care
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  But it also introduces things like spiritualism use of mediums
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  Which craft things like that. So we look for times in history where they've been coupled and very interestingly
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  I came across the fact that spiritualism did boom
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  Before during and after world war one. So that article touches on that and
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  unfortunately when people were looking for hope during that very violent and
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  socially
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  Social social difficulties during that time what they did
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  Where they didn't turn to a Bible they didn't turn to Jesus
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  Unfortunately, they turned to the use of mediums. They turned to say answers
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  And unfortunately they introduced such deception and demonic deception into their life that
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  These people might have thought that they were
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  Finding hope and finding peace, but unfortunately it was a false peace through the use of spiritualism
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  So this is this just goes to prove that mankind will search using their own ways and means to try and find salvation and to try and find hope
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  All the while rejecting the hope which is within the Bible. Amen. So brother
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  It's interesting. I had another stat here from a survey about Christians in America and in 2007
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  Pew research found that 78% of U.S. adults
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  identified now keyword identified as Christian and today it's 62%
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  now when you say identify you have to understand that a majority of
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  professing
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  Christians do not have a biblical worldview. They might identify as Christian
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  But they don't understand the Bible and it's teaching especially on some of these issues
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  They're going to talk about today. So Dean
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  Walk us into this starting with the fact that Harbinger has decided to pick
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  A photo of Oprah on an iPhone with the secret
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  under that
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  That's I found that to be very provocative which is great. So
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  Why did you decide to write about this topic of manifesting?
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  I think sometimes Australians need to apologize to the world for giving them some very strange ideas
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  And this is actually one of them because the secret which was a film and follow up book was actually done by an Australian author by the name of ronda burn
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  And so this talk off at the time it boomed and it still is very popular. She still
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  Manages a publication company. She still promotes these ideas. There's various
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  YouTube videos which are dedicated to her ideas as well. So
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  Even though the secret isn't spoken about openly it is still very very popular
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  And what came from that obviously is the concept of manifestation
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  Coupled with its cousin which is the law of attraction and then we start to get into
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  The virtue of vibrational frequency as well. So we'll just walk it back to
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  Manifestation you mentioned in the opening what that is and so
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  For people who might struggle to really conceptualize what that means then we turn to the great philosophers of the day
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  Now I say that very tongue in cheek because if you wanted to understand some very deep concepts in history
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  You would turn to the philosophers and so nowadays we don't turn to philosophers
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  It seems that people have their philosophical ideas within the concept of songwriting
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  So I say very tongue in cheek when I say we're going to turn to the great philosopher ariana grande
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  because
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  She explains what manifesting is in her song about Pete Davidson
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  And this was a song where she wrote about how she believes she manifested him into her life
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  So these are the lyrics
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  I mentioned in the article that it was a mediocre song and that's my Christian grace coming through David. Ah
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  It's
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  She she says I thought you into my life
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  Look at my mind no better place or a time look how they align
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  Universe must have my back fell from the sky into my lap
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  So the opening words of that verse give you a really good understanding of what they believe happens
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  I thought you into my life
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  So in manifesting what these people do whether it's pop stars or celebrities
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  What they do is they think that through the power of their mind they can create a desired reality
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  Yep, so for a lot of these practitioners a lot of the adherence to the concept of manifestation
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  They believe that we can co-create with the universe
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  So it elevates mankind to the position of create war and this is why it is so very spiritually dangerous
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  What's interesting is um this also aligns with this idea of the universe as the all-powerful thing
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  Or instead of God you remove God the one true God
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  And what do you have so they've got to rely on something and the way you worded it here in the article is
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  Aligning
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  personal energy with that of the universe
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  Thoughts and energy and you what you speak
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  And so what I want to ask you Dean Dwyer is what makes manifesting or manifestation
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  different from
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  Let's just say word faith or the prosperity gospel speaking
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  Health and wealth and into my life or into existence from a so-called air quote Christian
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  Perspective what what makes manifesting different from that
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  Well, it's interesting you raised that because manifesting has found itself
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  Has found its way into the church now as we know we often Christianize things from culture and one of the great
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  Deceptions in the church at the moment is the matter of syncretism
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  We've got a very syncretistic church in the world at the moment where unfortunately we've absorbed a lot of things of culture
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  Into the church. We've Christianized them in order to sanitize them from their secular cultural context
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  And we pretend they are Christian and this has actually happened in terms of
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  manifestation or new thought because when you look at the word of faith movement in particular
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  There was a fellow by the name of Phineas Quimby and he was into new thought in the early 1800s now
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  Phineas Quimby his teachings were actually picked up by a Christian by the name of EW Kenyan
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  He incorporated those ideas into Christianity
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  Then you have a fellow by the name of Kenneth Hagen
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  He
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  Popularized those teachings of Kenyan and from Kenneth Hagen we get the likes of Kenneth Copeland's we get Joel Osteen
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  We get Creflo Dollar Joyce Meyer people like that
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  So in effect
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  Manifestation has found its way into the church. It's just not called manifestation
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  It's called the word of faith movement and that is why it's spiritually dangerous
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  Wow, you know, it's funny. That's the second time syncretism has come up today
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  and
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  Quimby and
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  EW Kenyan and these names it's really interesting because last week
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  We were blessed to have Melissa Doherty on the program and she's got a new book called Happy Lies
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  And talk about herself obsessed culture, but she goes back and talks about this new thought
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  A movement and the positive thought pot there's possibility thinking woven in their positive thinking and then there's
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  Manifestation there's visualization. I mean Joel Osteen talks about that a lot visualize
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  You're blessing from God and they try to Christianize when they talk about visualize they try to Christianize anyway. I'm bad
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  Accent there, but so you you say this goes back to the 1800s this law of attraction
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  Or manifestation tell us a little bit more about that
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  Yeah, so
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  Incidentally Melissa Doherty and Dorian virtue do very good work in relation to
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  Manifestation and revealing the dangers behind it. So I would encourage people if they want to learn more about it
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  Because I think people have a lot of family members and friends who are involved in this maybe not so overtly
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  But they're probably incorporating things into their own lives which are
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  Almost coupled with manifestation and some of these techniques
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  So check out those ladies Melissa Doherty and Dorian virtue because they really lift the lid on that particularly as ex new ages
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  They've come out of a lot of these practices. So they really know the dangers of them. So
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  People can look at that
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  Manifestation has a long long history in fact, you know
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  We could say we go back to the 1800s, but in effect we could go back to ancient Egypt because
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  This is really where it all began and it began with a lot of the himetic writers
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  Which incorporate a lot of those ideas into their writings and this carries forward
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  Into history, but it really became popularized
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  By a fellow by the name of Napoleon Hill and he wrote a book called Think and Grow Rich and that was 1937
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  And that actually remains the best seller to this day. So it was and remains a very popular book, but
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  What you'll notice in the practice of Manifestation and when people talk about it the emphasis is always on power and wealth
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  Yes, and this is what it is so attractive to the celebrity cult
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  Because this is exactly what they want they want power and wealth because that keeps them at the top of what I call this spiritual
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  Ponzi scheme which is where they just continue to attract followers
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  Because these people who follow these celebrities they believe that they can get to the the top of this Ponzi scheme
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  If they follow the same methodology that the celebrity cultists do
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  And at the moment they're all promoting
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  Manifestation. So this is why it's trickle down into mainstream culture because people see celebrities doing it
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  And then they think well this must work for everybody
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  So I will incorporate this into my life now. This isn't helped because
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  Of the fact that it does appear to work in the lives of some people and we'll get to why that is some people
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  Some people Sabrina Carpenter
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  Big Manifesta in fact her song espresso again
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  Medioca song shouldn't be on any Christian's playlist
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  But her song espresso she says that was written as a manifestation technique because she
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  Didn't have anyone romantically interested in in her at that time in her life do a leapar very big manifesto as well
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  When she headlined glasston berry she came out and said that she manifested that moment even manifesting the size of the crowd at
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  100,000
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  so
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  these people
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  Continue to talk openly about it. In fact, it's talked so often that Cambridge had manifesting as their 2024 word of the year
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  Because it was searched and talked about so much so wow
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  Oh, Dean, we have to pause right there, but I tell you you got me you drew me in I read the book think in girl rich in the
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  1980s. I was into that movement. I was following Norman Vincent peel and some of these
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  Possibility thinkers and and the Tony Robbins and vents of the new age people. Oh my goodness
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  Thankfully god pulled me out of that
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  But we've got to take a brief pause. We'll be right back on worldview matters
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  So friends the book I was talking about
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  By Napoleon Hill don't don't read it, but it came out almost over a hundred years ago
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  The the idea based on the idea whatever the mind of man can conceive and believe
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  It meaning your mind visualize you can achieve
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  That's not a godly or biblical idea, but yes, it has crept into churches
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  We hear pro athletes even college athletes talking about manifesting and that they're all into this too
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  Because all about visualization at power
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  Money and let me just go to a passage that Pastor Dean Dwyer gave me before we got in the podcast
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  That's first Timothy chapter six starting in verse six
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  But godliness actually is a means of great gain
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  When accompanied by contentment
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  For we have brought nothing into the world
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  So we cannot take anything out of it either if we have food and covering with these we shall be content
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  But those who want to get rich
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  fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin
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  And destruction for the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil and some
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  By longing for it have wandered away from the faith
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  And pierced themselves with many griefs
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  Dean Dwyer your thoughts
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  Amen and what's important to understand in manifestation is that the practice what the practice does is it replaces faith in god
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  With faith in self
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  And it replaces salvation with self-empowerment. This is the danger of it
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  Essentially as I said before the break
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  It seems to work for these celebrities and they keep talking about it
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  Because they're relying on the demonic realm to seize those things which they want
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  Radifying the desires of the flesh. So there is a real power behind it
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  But it's not the power of god
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  So if it's not the power of god if it's not in the light then it has to be in the darkness because there's no spiritual neutrality in the unseen realm
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  So what I believe is that they are circumventing the will and the ways of God
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  And they are turning to the demonic realm in order to seize
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  Fame wealth power to bring into their life to gratify the desires of their flesh
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  It's a real power that as I said it's a very very spiritually dangerous power
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  So no Christian should be involved in manifestation whatsoever
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  You mentioned Rhonda burn at the beginning of the podcast and the secret and she was inspired to write her book when everything in her life was falling apart
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  you say and
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  I guess she suggested she read a book in 1910 or 1910 book I should say
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  Called the science of getting rich. Anyway
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  Would you share you know with them? Maybe you share one or two bullet points and I'll let you respond
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  These are bullet points from the book. It is the desire of God
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  That you get rich. That's one idea another idea is the universe
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  Desires you to have everything you want to have
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  And isn't this a perversion of Psalm 37 for
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  Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart
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  It's not making God a genie in the bottle is it it's it's saying if we put him first if our heart is aligned with him
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  His heart and his will and then our desires will or yeah our desires will be what he wants for us
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  So the desires of our heart will be according to his words. So go ahead and talk more about this
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  Yeah, amen. It was bizarre. I mean ronda at the time was going through a period of intense grief
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  And then I think it was her daughter had suggested that she read this book from Wallace Wattles the science of getting rich now
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  If I was struggling with the loss of a loved one and someone handed me a book
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  Which talks about the science of getting rich? I think I'd be deeply offended because that is not the type of material
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  You need at that particular time
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  But notwithstanding that that's what came from it
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  But as you say david Psalm 37 for
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  People often misappropriate this verse because it says and he shall give you the desires of your heart
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  You remember that a lot of their sorcery and Galatians 5 20 talks about the use of sorcery that is a work of the flesh
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  And so being a work of the flesh then
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  People look to gratify their own desires
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  But the idea behind that verse in Psalm 37 for in particular is that when we truly
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  Rejoice or delight in the eternal things of God in the eternal plan of God then our desires are going to parallel his
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  And then we will never go unfulfilled that's what it's talking about
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  But unfortunately people try to use that verse
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  All of the time to say well look God has to give me all of the desires that I have in my mind
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  But again if you're thinking like that and coming back to manifestation
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  It's circumvents the work and the will and the ways of God
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  Yes, and it looks to other means to try and fulfill those desires of the flesh
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  And as I said what do people often turn to in order to gratify the desires of the flesh?
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  They want money fame
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  wealth etc
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  Self self self I hear a lot of self in this what I want
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  But that want to go back to your article when you talk about mind over matter
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  We hear we most of us have heard that expression in all of our lives in different ways mind over matter
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  But this is essentially what people are trying to do they're trying to manifest something in the natural
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  This starts with a thought or a visualization or a desire
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  In their harder mind and you say this approach claims that our thoughts are omnipotent and have the power to shape the external world
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  And where do these ideas spring from a cultism
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  Talk a little bit about that Dean
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  Yeah, that's exactly right interestingly before we talk about that
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  I know that many of us don't like to go back to the COVID period but during the lockdowns
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  Searches about manifesting spike 600% during the lockdown period
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  So we're excited because we saw a spike in terms of Bible sales during that time
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  Yeah, but little did we know and this is only just starting to come out now
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  That manifesting searches had spiked 600% during that time because what was happening is that we were getting
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  Media driven fear politically driven fear
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  Cast into the minds and hearts of mankind and so this was a reality that they didn't want to accept because they were told the world was ending
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  Your loved ones are going to die. This is going to wipe out a good portion of the population. So that fear
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  came into the hearts and minds of people and so they looked for hope and again as we reference back to
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  spiritualism rising in World War One
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  The connection is that we see some great parallels there that when people sense the world is falling apart
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  They will look for hope now
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  They didn't look for hope within the Bible. They didn't look for hope within who we call the blessed hope which is Jesus
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  And this was the great problem that we experienced and we experienced now because the parallels we see is that at both times
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  World War One lockdown period the church retreated from the public square when it should have advanced
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  Bible in hand and said to people
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  This is where you find the hope within these pages and within the Lord Jesus Christ
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  So you can see some parallels there that at each time the church retreats from the public square
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  It also draws back the hope and there's going to be a spiritual vacuum which fills that and as we saw World War One
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  And as we saw now today the spiritual vacuum which fills that is
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  spiritualism manifestation law of attraction, but all comes back to occultism
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  Uh
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  And as I said that's the problem is that it relies on the
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  So that's where it links back to uh occultism
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  But it also relies as I said earlier on the law of attraction
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  Which is that you can use certain vibrational energies to attract certain things in your life
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  Because a lot of people talk about your vibrational energy and you've got to change that
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  So you're matching the vibrational energy of those things that you'd like to attract in your life
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  Whether that be cars, cash, uh friends, etc
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  So it becomes very very dangerous, but it had made me think back to in fact
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  When we're looking at the concept of vibrational energy used within the context of manifestation
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  Made me think back to the beach boys and I just wonder whether they had it right
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  You know when they're seeing good vibrations maybe they were trying to attract things into their life
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  That's funny because I I'm smiling because I had a roommate but in the in the early 2000s
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  Um or late 1990s that uh he was a Christian you know I was talking
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  Well, hey the good vibes talking about good vibes right and but so these ideas right it's not biblical
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  You know, but anyway um the article friends again is at Harbinger's Daily and you can look at Dean Dwyer's page there
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  The secret of manifestation is occultism and the worship of
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  Self great article great topic brother uh good wake up call for the church because a lot of people around us
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  We hear these words in Christian circles and these ideas and we've got to be strong to say um is that biblical
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  Where is that supported in the Bible we've always go back to the word of God
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  Brother, thank you so much for your time. Just your final thoughts in 30 seconds
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  Yeah, amen. I mean you say it well and you say it often that we need to get back to biblical Christianity
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  Because as I said we have a lot of syncretism within the church
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  We've accepted cultural standards into the church that do not belong there
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  And so coupled with manifestation comes in pride because pride wants to take things that God may not have ordained for our life
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  And so we turn back to you know proverbs three five and six trust in the Lord with all your heart lean not in your own
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  Understanding in all your ways acknowledge him and he shall direct your parts. That's what it's all about
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  Brother, thank you friends pray for a pastor dean and ailsah see again soon
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  Friends God bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that matter