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Girl, 14, Raped, Found in Camp Pendleton Marine Barracks · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: How does a little girl just fourteen years old end
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Speaker 2: up at Kemp Pendleton, that's a marine base in California,
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Speaker 2: in the barracks being raped? What see? I thought that
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Speaker 2: the commanding officers would make you spit, shine your shoes,
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Speaker 2: and make your bed perfectly where a dime would bounce
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Speaker 2: when they dropped on top of the bed sheets. They
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Speaker 2: didn't notice a fourteen year old girl allegedly getting raped
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Speaker 2: in the barracks at Camp Pendleton. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 2: at Fox Nation in series XEM one eleven. Right now,
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Speaker 2: I am so mad I could chew a nail and half.
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Speaker 2: I just want to get my hands on whoever allegedly
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Speaker 2: did this thing. But first of all, let's get to
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Speaker 2: the facts. Take a listen to the little girls aunt.
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Speaker 3: My name is Cassander Perez.
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Speaker 4: Please share this as a warning to the public to
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Speaker 4: not jeopardize the ongoing investigation. I will not be releasing
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Speaker 4: the name of the victim. However, I will be releasing
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Speaker 4: details to the public so he'll prevent harm and hopefully
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Speaker 4: fine others willing to share their story. My niece is
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Speaker 4: under the age of eighteen and has learning disabilities. On
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Speaker 4: June tenth, she went missing and on June twenty seventh,
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Speaker 4: she was found on Camp Pendleton.
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Speaker 2: She was found on Camp Pendleton, but that's not exactly
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Speaker 2: what happened. Take a listen now to our friends at GMA.
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Speaker 5: This case began on June thirteenth, when the San Diego
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Speaker 5: County Sheriff's Office says a woman reported her fourteen year
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Speaker 5: old granddaughter missing. The Sheriff's office as military police found
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Speaker 5: that teenager at Camp Pendleton two weeks after she disappeared
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Speaker 5: and returned her back to her family. A woman in
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Speaker 5: a TikTok video, now claiming she's the girls aunt, says
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Speaker 5: that her fourteen year old niece was raped on the
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Speaker 5: military basis.
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Speaker 6: The investigators believe a fourteen year old girl who was
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Speaker 6: found at Camp Pendleton may have been a victim of
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Speaker 6: human trafficking. The girl's family reported her missing last month
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Speaker 6: out of San Diego. Then weeks later, military police found
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Speaker 6: her at Camp Pendleton. Officers arrested a marine who is
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Speaker 6: now being investigated by human trafficking authorities. The girl's family
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Speaker 6: claims that she has learning disabilities and was sold to
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Speaker 6: a marine for that.
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Speaker 2: Last report was from Melvin Robert our friends over at
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Speaker 2: Fox eleven. A fourteen year old little girl sold for sex.
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Speaker 2: That's bad enough right there, but at a US military base.
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Speaker 2: And the question is not only did superior officers not
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Speaker 2: what notice or do anything about it? The fellow marines
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Speaker 2: did nothing when they see a little girl there in
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Speaker 2: the barracks. Nobody knew she was having sex with a marine.
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Speaker 2: And FYI, it's impossible under our jurisprudence to have quote
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Speaker 2: sex with a fourteen year old girl. Because a child
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Speaker 2: cannot consent to sex, that makes it rape. That's why
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Speaker 2: we have statutory rape. Like a child can't walk into
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Speaker 2: the Lamborghini outlet and buy a car, you can't buy
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Speaker 2: a home, you can't buy tobacco or booze because you
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Speaker 2: are not old enough to make that decision. Talk about
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Speaker 2: not old enough to make a decision. Now, my twins
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Speaker 2: probably would not want this out there, but they still
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Speaker 2: have their picture taken with Santa Claus whether they want
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Speaker 2: to or not. This little girl has been raped at
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Speaker 2: a marine barracks here in the US. Again, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. And as distasteful as this is,
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Speaker 2: as I would tell my jurys if we turn away,
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Speaker 2: we're condoning it. We have to look at the facts
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Speaker 2: and understand what happened. Joining me an all star panel
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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. But
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Speaker 2: first I'm going to go to not only a colleague,
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Speaker 2: but who might consider to be a friend. Fox News contributor,
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Speaker 2: a former marine, author of Unbroken Bonds of Battle, Joey Jones. Joey,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for let me join in on this.
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Speaker 2: Well, you may not feel that way by the time
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Speaker 2: we're done.
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Speaker 7: That's okay, Joey.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I are friends. But I got to
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Speaker 2: put to you a hard question. You're a former marine,
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Speaker 2: and I believe a former marine is the marine always
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Speaker 2: a marine at heart, Like I will always consider myself
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Speaker 2: to be a prosecutor, to be a lawyer, no matter
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Speaker 2: what happens. So let me ask you, when you first
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Speaker 2: heard about allegations a fourteen year old little girl had
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Speaker 2: been raped repeatedly in the barracks, what did you think?
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Speaker 7: Well, first, I reacted as the dad of a four
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Speaker 7: year old daughter, not only a marine. So my first
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Speaker 7: thought is is that were my daughter, they wouldn't have
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Speaker 7: a chance to send in the court. You know, that's
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Speaker 7: that's just the action of a fither and and so
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Speaker 7: that's kind of where I am with it. With the
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Speaker 7: individual that's being detained and not even arrested yet that
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Speaker 7: brings questions of its own. The other part of maybe
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Speaker 7: you've seen information, I haven't. I haven't seen anything indicating
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Speaker 7: for how long the girl was there or who other
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Speaker 7: than the marine that was holding her hostage essentially knew
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Speaker 7: about it. So if I apply the fact I have,
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Speaker 7: which is that when the duty officer and the barracks
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Speaker 7: found out she was there, they brought her into the
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Speaker 7: duty hut and called PMI Military Police, who then called NCIS,
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Speaker 7: then that makes sense to me, makes sense to mely,
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Speaker 7: you know, in my mind, if I'm developing this scenario,
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Speaker 7: not any other facts. He snuck her in that night,
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Speaker 7: and the duty officer and checking the rounds either heard
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Speaker 7: noises or or heard a marine say hey, there's something
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Speaker 7: going on over there, went and check found the girl.
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Speaker 7: And that's to me, that's how I've seen scenarios like
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Speaker 7: this play out. What I can tell you is you
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Speaker 7: got to think about the fact Camp Hilton is the
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Speaker 7: largest base in the Marine Corps both by land and numbers.
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Speaker 7: There's more marines there than anywhere, and civilians, Navy, other services.
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Speaker 7: There's just a bunch of people there. The reason why
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Speaker 7: we're able to put thousands of marines into a barracks
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Speaker 7: and not have hundreds of people guarding it is that
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Speaker 7: we are trained and lived by code, and we have honor,
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Speaker 7: and we have and we have an expectation to do
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Speaker 7: the right thing, and buying large hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 7: marines every year do the right thing. And this is
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Speaker 7: in no way a defense of this specific marine or
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Speaker 7: even the Marine Corps. It's to say I can't sit
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Speaker 7: here and say that this girl was there for days
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Speaker 7: and that everybody knew about it and nobody spoke up,
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Speaker 7: because I've not seen facts that say that. What I
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Speaker 7: see here is that I know what it's like to
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Speaker 7: sneak a girlfriend into the barracks. It's not exceptionally difficult
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Speaker 7: to do. I've done it myself, but had anyone who
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Speaker 7: was in charge that night seeing me do it, I
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Speaker 7: would have been in a world of hurt. And so
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Speaker 7: the idea that this was lacks of daysical. I don't
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Speaker 7: see any evident supporting that unless you just don't understand
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Speaker 7: or having experienced how barrets are with five six, seven,
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Speaker 7: eight different entrances and exits. You're obligated to come in
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Speaker 7: in front of the duty, let the duty know that
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Speaker 7: you're coming in and out. And we have roving watches
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Speaker 7: depending on the barracks and the unit that walk up
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Speaker 7: and down the hallways to make sure nothing's going on.
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Speaker 7: The Opportunity to sneak past those is pretty prevalent. But
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Speaker 7: again it goes back to if everyone in the building
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Speaker 7: is living by a code of honor, then either you
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Speaker 7: get caught or you don't try to do it well.
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Speaker 7: Somebody sees you do it and tells on you. And
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Speaker 7: from what I know, I don't know someone didn't see
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Speaker 7: him do it and tell on him. I just don't
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Speaker 7: see facts in front of me that suggests otherwise.
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Speaker 2: You know what, Joey, I hope you're right and what
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Speaker 2: you're saying sounds more plausible because I want to believe.
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Speaker 2: My father was a VET. He fought in the World War.
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Speaker 2: He gave up a chance to rise out of poverty
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Speaker 2: with a basketball scholarship. He gave that up to fight.
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Speaker 2: So I want you to be right, very very much.
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Speaker 2: I want only the perp that allegedly raped this girl
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Speaker 2: to be responsible. I don't want to know that anyone
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Speaker 2: knew it was going on and failed to report it.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to believe that until I hear differently, and
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you told me what you just told me.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we're trying to figure out what really happened to
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Speaker 2: this fourteen year old girl. Now leaked is a I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure what you would call this a log book
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Speaker 2: looking right at it is the purported Barracks log book,
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Speaker 2: and it says a thirteen year old female miner is
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Speaker 2: found in rooms that is at nine to fifteen. That's
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Speaker 2: nine to fifteen in the morning. Then there's a late
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Speaker 2: entry of nine ten that says no positive ID available.
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Speaker 2: So we're trying to verify this log book at what
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Speaker 2: we know. But now I want to take Elissader Moore
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Speaker 2: of the girls aunt.
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Speaker 4: She was found in the barracks by military police. She
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Speaker 4: had been sold to a soldier for sex. The military
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Speaker 4: is trying to cover it up. They're trying to cover
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Speaker 4: it up and place majority of the blame on her. However,
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Speaker 4: the reality is the whole facility allowed this to happen.
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Speaker 3: The security looked her in.
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Speaker 4: The face and allowed this man to bring a miner
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Speaker 4: onto base, where he then proceeded to have sex with her.
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Speaker 4: Two to her age, she could not have given this consent.
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Speaker 2: I to go straight out to Joshua Ridder, famed criminal
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Speaker 2: defense attorney, former La County Deputy district attorney, partner at
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Speaker 2: El dab Ridder trial lawyers. Joshua, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. Explain why this cannot be under the law
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Speaker 2: consensual sex. If that's their defense, they might as well
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Speaker 2: go ahead plead guilty.
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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me. You're absolutely right,
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Speaker 8: there is no defense to this if she's under age.
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Speaker 8: The consent is only attributed to someone who is not
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Speaker 8: a minor, and so a minor no matter how convincing
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Speaker 8: she may have been, no matter how willing she may
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Speaker 8: have been, no matter how much you may have cooperated
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Speaker 8: with the whole thing. And I'm not saying any of
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Speaker 8: that occurred, but I'm saying, if that is an argument
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Speaker 8: that anyone is trying to make, that's not going to
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Speaker 8: go anywhere in a court of law, because if you're
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Speaker 8: a minor, you simply cannot give consent, and the audio
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Speaker 8: that we heard right then is absolutely right. If you're underage,
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Speaker 8: you cannot give consent, and it is therefore per se rate.
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Speaker 8: And so it's going to be one of the things
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Speaker 8: that's going to be really revealing about all of this
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Speaker 8: is any kind of knowledge of her age. And that's
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Speaker 8: really difficult. And i'll put that in quote argument to
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Speaker 8: make when you're talking about a fourteen year old, this
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Speaker 8: isn't even close. When we're talking about the age of
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Speaker 8: consent is eighteen years old. A fourteen year old is
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Speaker 8: four years below that. But it's to the point where
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Speaker 8: we start to add even further allegations for the age,
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Speaker 8: which increase the exposure meaning prison time that somebody is
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Speaker 8: looking at when we're talking about the rape of underage individuals.
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Speaker 8: At the lower in age, the more kind of prison time,
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Speaker 8: and the more serious the law looks at it.
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Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, I only wish the defendant we'll
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Speaker 2: try to say, hey, I thought she was eighteen, because
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Speaker 2: that is the oldest defense known to man when it
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Speaker 2: comes to statutory rape. Hey, she said she was eighteen,
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Speaker 2: She had a fake ID, she whatever fill in the blank.
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Speaker 2: Cheryl Mulcom joining me, a founder and director of the
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Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute and now star of a hit podcast,
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Speaker 2: Zone seven. You can find her at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,
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Speaker 2: I only wish that say, Hey, she says she was eighteen.
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Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, you and I have a friend in
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Speaker 9: common that looks for child predators online. And the way
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Speaker 9: that she does her training and gains her intel so
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Speaker 9: that she appears to be a twelve year old girl.
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Speaker 9: She sits in lunch rooms of middle schools and just listens.
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Speaker 9: So I'm going to tell you you won't have to
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Speaker 9: do anything but talk to her for about two minutes.
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Speaker 9: And you know she's not eighteen. Even if you think
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Speaker 9: she has a look about her that looks older, she's not.
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Speaker 9: And I want to reiterate it is your job to
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Speaker 9: know her actual as, not what she says. And if
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Speaker 9: you bought her, chances are you know, because you bought
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Speaker 9: what you wanted, you specifically bought someone underage. So at
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Speaker 9: this point it doesn't matter if you put on lingerie
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Speaker 9: lit some candles and put on berry white. You raped her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds me of doctor Angie Arnold joining us,
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Speaker 2: renowned a psychiatrist out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction at Angela
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Speaker 2: Arnold MD dot com. My first child sex trafficking case,
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Speaker 2: the first one I had. We looked and looked and
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Speaker 2: looked for the girl. She also was fourteen years old.
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Speaker 2: And I would go out, I mean every day, and
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Speaker 2: it was cold. I think I had the thinnest coat
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Speaker 2: there was in the courthouse. We would go out every day,
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Speaker 2: going up and down what was then a hotbed prostitution
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Speaker 2: and vice with Stuart Avenue. Every day. Well, I got
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Speaker 2: a call that they found on the girl. They took
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Speaker 2: me to a flophouse. I went in. There are a
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Speaker 2: bunch of prostitutes in there, maybe five or six prostitutes.
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Speaker 2: I looked at everyone and I came back out, like,
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Speaker 2: what happened? Did she leave? She's not in there. That's
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Speaker 2: her in the white boots. I went back in. This
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Speaker 2: girl looked like a thirty five year old woman. She
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Speaker 2: was fourteen. In fact, she had just turned fourteen. She
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Speaker 2: had a weave in her hair like nobody's business. You
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Speaker 2: remember how Julia Roberts was dressed up to be a hooker.
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Speaker 2: That's how this girl was dressed up, just like that.
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Speaker 2: The fake eyelashes, the heavy makeup. I looked at her,
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Speaker 2: I could not believe that was the child. When she
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Speaker 2: got all that off of her and put on her
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Speaker 2: regular clothes, she looked younger than my little girl, Lucy.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was so the argument I thought she
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Speaker 2: was eighteen is total bs.
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Speaker 10: Well, also, Nancy, how many rules did this guy break
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Speaker 10: to bring somebody in to a barracks situation? I mean,
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Speaker 10: he's breaking rules all over the place. So at the
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Speaker 10: end of the day, he's going to say that he
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Speaker 10: doesn't know how.
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Speaker 7: Old this little girl is.
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Speaker 10: Let's start with all the other rules he's broken.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: I'm the other issue here is the onus. The burden
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Speaker 2: is on the adult to know his true age. You
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Speaker 2: can't just say, hey, I thought she was eighteen. Hey, guys,
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Speaker 2: joining me right now. From crime online dot Com the
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Alexis Treschuk. Alexis, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I want to explore what Joey Jones said. Joey Jones,
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Speaker 2: Fox News contributor, former marine and author of Unbroken Bonds
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Speaker 2: of Battle on Amazon. Alexis the reason many people are
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Speaker 2: arguing she had been in the barracks for a period
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Speaker 2: of time is that she had been missing from her
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Speaker 2: grandmother's home for a period of time. But Joey may
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Speaker 2: actually have a really valid point. She may have been
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Speaker 2: in the barracks, maybe overnight or for a much less
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Speaker 2: a period of time than she had been missing. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how do I know she wasn't kidnapped and then sold
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Speaker 2: to this marine and she had just gotten it. I
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Speaker 2: don't know that. What do we know about the period
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Speaker 2: of time that she was in the barracks or do
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Speaker 2: we know?
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Speaker 11: We don't know how long she was there. We just
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Speaker 11: know that she was found there. The military police located
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Speaker 11: her there. But that is that true? And her aunt
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Speaker 11: sort of gave a clue. She said, we don't want
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Speaker 11: to identify anybody, and we don't want to talk about
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Speaker 11: people responsible. So is that the marine's name or do
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Speaker 11: they know the person who sold as they claim her
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Speaker 11: niece the child to them because the nieces she has
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Speaker 11: a learning disability, But it doesn't say that she doesn't
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Speaker 11: communicate or anything like that. So she could very clearly
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Speaker 11: say she went missing on June ninth, and so she
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Speaker 11: was gone for almost three weeks.
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Speaker 2: Well twenty one day. She was found on June twenty eight.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so they had. She could have said I was here,
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Speaker 11: this person had taken me and then he sold me
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Speaker 11: to this person. So we don't know, but we do
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Speaker 11: know that this is what her aunt believes have happened,
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Speaker 11: and she is saying and in fact is being investigated
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Speaker 11: by human trafficking authority. So this is not just the
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Speaker 11: aunt spinning a tail. There's an actual investigation into this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's joining me right now. Allie Neil, co founder
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Speaker 2: and executive director of Revved Up Kids, which is an
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Speaker 2: organization I really respect. You can find them online fighting
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Speaker 2: to protect children from sex abuse and exploitation, and you
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Speaker 2: can find it revved Upkids dot org. Allie, it's great
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Speaker 2: to talk to you again. My concern here, well, I've
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Speaker 2: got so many concerns. As a prosecutor. You don't have
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Speaker 2: to prove how long she was in the barracks. It
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Speaker 2: could have been she could have been there ten minutes.
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Speaker 2: If she was raped is the only concern? Was she
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Speaker 2: sex assaulted in any way? Number one by the alleged purp,
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Speaker 2: who I might add, has been released, and if so,
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Speaker 2: did that occur in a military setting there at Camp Pendleton,
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Speaker 2: Now that would be more of a civil liability, who
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Speaker 2: else and knew about it, Who should have known about it,
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Speaker 2: Who did not follow protocol and find this girl earlier,
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Speaker 2: or who allowed her in. That's a whole another can
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Speaker 2: of worms. What I'm trying to figure out is was
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Speaker 2: she raped by this marine? And you got to think
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Speaker 2: about it, Allie. He can't claim, oh, I took her
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Speaker 2: there to protect her from the trafficker, because if that
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Speaker 2: were sure, he would have taken her to the police,
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Speaker 2: or to her home or somewhere else. There's no good
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Speaker 2: reason he would take a fourteen year old girl into
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Speaker 2: barracks full of men. No, no good reason. My concern
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Speaker 2: is this girl not only is just fourteen years old,
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Speaker 2: she has some type of a learning or mental disability.
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Speaker 2: How can she communicate what happened to her?
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Speaker 12: So I have been speculating on this for days since
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Speaker 12: this story broke, and I am I'm just going to
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Speaker 12: let you guys hear all my speculation and then we I.
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Speaker 2: Don't like speculation because I cannot introduce that into core.
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Speaker 2: If you have an educated theory, I'd like to hear that.
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Speaker 12: Okay, all right, I'll say educated theory based on what
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Speaker 12: I know about human trafficking. So let's posit that, yes,
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Speaker 12: this was a human trafficking case. Children and teens with
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Speaker 12: any sort of intellectual developmental disabilities are three times higher risk.
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Speaker 2: Okay, could you slow down? What did you just say?
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Speaker 7: Oh? Sorry?
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Speaker 12: I said, children who have intellectual disabilities, who have developmental
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Speaker 12: disabilities based three times higher risk of sexual abuse and
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Speaker 12: exploitation than children who are typical children. So we know that,
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Speaker 12: we know that they are easier to manipulate. My I
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Speaker 12: won't say speculations, but if I were writing the front
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Speaker 12: end of this story, I would suspect that this is
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Speaker 12: a girl who spends time online on social media.
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Speaker 2: Even though she's disabled. Do you think she can go online?
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Speaker 12: Yeah? Okay, I believe that she likely has some sort
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Speaker 12: of we haven't had that defined. So even if she
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Speaker 12: is mildly developmentally disabled, socially awkward, all of the things
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Speaker 12: that set a child up for low self esteem, she
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Speaker 12: goes online, she's interacting with people online. She encounters a trafficker,
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Speaker 12: because that's what they do. They fish all day, every
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Speaker 12: day online to try and find teenage girls that they
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Speaker 12: can and it.
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Speaker 2: Looks again, could you slow down because you just said
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Speaker 2: they fish all day online, and I just want you to, yes,
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Speaker 2: explain what you mean by that. And again, everybody on
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Speaker 2: this panel, did you just hear Ali and Neil describe
22:13
Speaker 2: traffickers fish? And that's what they do. They are on
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Speaker 2: their computer all day long trying to find a child victim.
22:26
Speaker 2: They go into sites like Fortnite or whatever game everybody's
22:31
Speaker 2: playing right now. They get onto Snapchat, they get into
22:36
Speaker 2: every platform social media platform you can think of. They
22:40
Speaker 2: pretend they're a child. They go, hey, do you play soccer?
22:43
Speaker 2: That could apply to a boy or a girl. What
22:45
Speaker 2: league are you in? Where do you play? What field?
22:48
Speaker 2: So they figure out where you are, They get your pit,
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Speaker 2: they get the kid's picture, and then they're off. Explain
22:54
Speaker 2: what you mean Ali by fishing? It's horrible.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, they do relationship, and especially with a child who
23:03
Speaker 12: has an intellectual disability of any kind, it is easier
23:07
Speaker 12: to more quickly build that relationship. Get that child to
23:11
Speaker 12: believe that this is their boyfriend, this is somebody who
23:15
Speaker 12: loves them. They either get that child to send a
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Speaker 12: sexual photo.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I just want to point something else out,
23:24
Speaker 2: and I can't believe doctor Angie Arnold, CHERRYL. McCollum been
23:27
Speaker 2: quiet this long. You must have somebody must have broken
23:30
Speaker 2: into their studio and gagged them, because do you know
23:33
Speaker 2: my daughter has and I can't reveal any names here
23:37
Speaker 2: how to crush? She had a crush on a boy
23:41
Speaker 2: the entire ninth grade. Do you know she never said
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Speaker 2: one word to him? Do you know how we practiced
23:49
Speaker 2: in the car about asking to borrow a pencil? We
23:53
Speaker 2: practice that for I know, two months, every day. Did
23:56
Speaker 2: you ask to borrow the pencil?
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Speaker 7: No?
23:58
Speaker 2: Finally, after two months she said, Mom, I found out
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Speaker 2: he's writing with a pen. I'm like, Lucy, it doesn't matter,
24:07
Speaker 2: just ask to borrow a pencil. Jina, She never asked.
24:12
Speaker 2: She never asked, never did. That's the level of sophistication,
24:17
Speaker 2: sexual sophistication. We're talking about my baby girl. This age
24:23
Speaker 2: would not asked to borrow a pencil.
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Speaker 7: Nancy.
24:26
Speaker 2: Can I jump in for this, Joey jumping in?
24:28
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is Joey, This is Joey jump in, man, Yeah, listen.
24:32
Speaker 7: One thing I want to point out one A lot
24:34
Speaker 7: of the information we have is coming from the aunt
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Speaker 7: of the victim, who in herself is also a victim
24:39
Speaker 7: the ant herself. I've been the victim of car wrecks
24:43
Speaker 7: and things, and the amount of emotion that takes over
24:46
Speaker 7: and the lack of response from police, the lack of
24:50
Speaker 7: answers from police, the lack of resolution immediately causes you
24:54
Speaker 7: to uh to want to get as much information out
24:57
Speaker 7: there as possible to see your side of the reason
25:01
Speaker 7: why I point that up is we're taking the term
25:03
Speaker 7: learning disability and we're treating it as though we know
25:06
Speaker 7: it's a mental disability. Those are two very different things.
25:08
Speaker 7: For example, my niece can't take a standardized test without
25:13
Speaker 7: extra time and help because she has severe anxiety in
25:15
Speaker 7: those situations. But she is cognitively very functional. As a
25:19
Speaker 7: matter of fact, she's clever and intuitive and smart and
25:21
Speaker 7: brilliant in so many other ways. And the reason why
25:23
Speaker 7: I point that out is not to downplay the idea
25:26
Speaker 7: of learning disability, but to say, if this young lady
25:29
Speaker 7: was completely, fully aware and in full of faculty of
25:33
Speaker 7: our capabilities, that doesn't make this any less egregious. It
25:37
Speaker 7: doesn't make it any worse, because ultimately what's happened is
25:42
Speaker 7: a grown man who is who has been asked by
25:44
Speaker 7: the United States military to carry himself with honor, has
25:48
Speaker 7: done the opposite in the almost worst of ways, and
25:52
Speaker 7: so like to hone in on the learning disability without
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Speaker 7: even knowing what that means, considering the information came from
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Speaker 7: the ant and not law enforcement officers or some sort
26:02
Speaker 7: of a doctor that's assessed the young lady. I don't
26:05
Speaker 7: know that that's the most important part of this, or
26:07
Speaker 7: a part we're speculating about when we don't know what
26:09
Speaker 7: it means. I think what's important here are two things. One,
26:13
Speaker 7: the young lady was found in Marine Corps barracks, and
26:15
Speaker 7: by all the information we have with sex trafficked and rates. Two,
26:20
Speaker 7: there's an underlying accusation from the end the Marine Corps
26:24
Speaker 7: or military is trying to cover it up. Everything I've
26:26
Speaker 7: read about it, I don't see that substantiated whatsoever. But
26:30
Speaker 7: that creates the narrative to where people start to second guest,
26:33
Speaker 7: can we even trust these people that are in our backyard?
26:35
Speaker 7: And I think that's worth discussing at some point in
26:37
Speaker 7: the conversation.
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Speaker 12: Hold on, I don't know that I read learning disability.
26:41
Speaker 12: I thought I read developmental disability, which to me is
26:44
Speaker 12: a different thing. That's an intellectual I.
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Speaker 7: Read learning disability. I agree with you about.
26:48
Speaker 2: Learning I've actually seen both. I've actually seen both Ritter,
26:53
Speaker 2: Josh Ritter, I hear your jobing inne Yeah.
26:56
Speaker 8: One thing that we haven't talked about, and I think
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Speaker 8: kind of fits in nicely to this part of a
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Speaker 8: discussion that we're having is one thing that really stood
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Speaker 8: out to me was the idea that the girl had
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Speaker 8: been missing for four days before her grandmother reported her.
27:09
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, that's what I was going to say, what.
27:12
Speaker 7: I was and then she did.
27:13
Speaker 8: The grandmother according to the grandmother that she had previously
27:16
Speaker 8: run away before. So I think that really gives us
27:19
Speaker 8: an insight to kind of go along with Ali's thoughts
27:22
Speaker 8: about was she a high risk child? Was she somebody
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Speaker 8: who is you know, like she pointed out, maybe perhaps
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Speaker 8: searching the internet, perhaps has some sort of learning, cognitive disability,
27:33
Speaker 8: whatever you want.
27:34
Speaker 7: To call it.
27:34
Speaker 8: But she was also a behavioral issue to the point
27:37
Speaker 8: that she had run away before. And it wasn't so
27:40
Speaker 8: alarming that the grandmother's not calling within hours of her
27:43
Speaker 8: being missing, but within days of her being missing, because
27:46
Speaker 8: she had run away so many times before that they
27:48
Speaker 8: were just expecting her to come back. So I thought
27:51
Speaker 8: that was that was something that really jumped out to
27:53
Speaker 8: me and gave I think a little bit of insight
27:56
Speaker 8: of who this young lady may have been, not to
27:59
Speaker 8: add any kind of excuse or defense to anything.
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Speaker 2: To me, it makes me feel worse for her. Correct
28:06
Speaker 2: because you've got a young girl with some type of
28:09
Speaker 2: a disability, we can't identify it.
28:25
Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Interesting how we're all coming from a different angle. Joey's
28:32
Speaker 2: coming from the angle as a dad and a former marine,
28:35
Speaker 2: Josh is a lawyer. We all have this different angle.
28:37
Speaker 2: Mawas is a mom. Why was she gone four days
28:40
Speaker 2: and nobody knows that she's missing? I mean, I know,
28:44
Speaker 2: or I think I know from my twins are at
28:46
Speaker 2: this exact moment. Who's jumping in? Who is it, Cheryl
28:48
Speaker 2: McCollum jump.
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Speaker 9: The number of adults that filled this child is staggering.
28:54
Speaker 9: The fact that anybody would give a perpetrator four day
28:57
Speaker 9: head start on whatever was happening to her. They knew
29:00
Speaker 9: she had whatever disability she may or may not have.
29:04
Speaker 9: They knew she was freaking fourteen and out. There was
29:07
Speaker 9: no money and no adult and no help. You've got
29:11
Speaker 9: a child that was found on a military base. This
29:15
Speaker 9: marine swore to protect this country that he won't protect
29:19
Speaker 9: a child. There's a bigger issue here when we look
29:23
Speaker 9: at the past. We've had Fort Hood a sergeant that
29:27
Speaker 9: was penping females on that base. We've had a reserve
29:31
Speaker 9: officer in North Carolina that was sex trafficking. We've had
29:34
Speaker 9: Fort Lee having a prostitution ring. This is not new
29:38
Speaker 9: to us when it comes to the military basis. And
29:41
Speaker 9: to me, you've got a perpetrator online, You've got a
29:44
Speaker 9: perpetrator that bought her. You've got somebody at a front
29:47
Speaker 9: gate that allowed her in Post nine to eleven, did
29:51
Speaker 9: not id her.
29:52
Speaker 3: We've got all.
29:53
Speaker 7: Kinds of problems that hell car, we don't know him.
29:58
Speaker 7: That gate, we don't know that. And you can't search
30:02
Speaker 7: every single car that comes on base when the person
30:04
Speaker 7: driving it has a military ID. If you want to
30:07
Speaker 7: get ready to pay millions and billions more in taxes,
30:10
Speaker 7: have higher security at these bases and ultimately treat the
30:13
Speaker 7: people that live on them like prisoners.
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Speaker 2: That goes to another point, Cheryl, I think he's right,
30:17
Speaker 2: and you're right. I mean, how many times, well every
30:21
Speaker 2: morning did I walk into the courthouse, flash my badge
30:24
Speaker 2: and walk around the metal detector every single morning. Why
30:30
Speaker 2: because most adas had assistant district attorneys. We're carrying a
30:34
Speaker 2: gun and no one thought you would what aunt, least
30:39
Speaker 2: you start shooting people the same way here. Somebody comes in,
30:43
Speaker 2: You've seen the person a million times, they show their
30:45
Speaker 2: military idea, You wave them in. How would you know
30:49
Speaker 2: to check their trunt or to check the back seat?
30:51
Speaker 2: Even guys. Take a listen to our cut to our
30:54
Speaker 2: friends at NBC seven.
30:56
Speaker 13: Somehow between the busy comings and goings at Camp Pendleton,
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Speaker 13: Sondra Perez says her underaged knees with a learning disability
31:04
Speaker 13: was found in the Marine Barris.
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Speaker 4: The security looked her in the face and allowed this
31:09
Speaker 4: man to bring a miner onto Base two. To her age,
31:15
Speaker 4: she could not have given this consent. Some of my
31:17
Speaker 4: family is scared, but I'm not.
31:19
Speaker 2: Why would she feel scared? Does she feel scared? And
31:22
Speaker 2: then you have the legal issue that probative or does
31:25
Speaker 2: it prove something issue of actual records? Take a listen
31:30
Speaker 2: to hour cut sea our friends at crime online dot com.
31:33
Speaker 14: The teens aunt claimed that the girl was sold to
31:35
Speaker 14: the marine for sex by someone she met online that
31:38
Speaker 14: has yet to be confirmed, and while the marine was questioned.
31:41
Speaker 14: He has been released. No charges have been filed yet.
31:45
Speaker 14: The New York Post has posted what looks like a
31:47
Speaker 14: duty log for the Marine Barracks. Some of the entries
31:50
Speaker 14: read as follows. Eight ten d n z O. D
31:54
Speaker 14: NZO means duty non commissioned officers. Barracks contractor works on
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Speaker 14: fixing launder rooms. Third deck washer zero eight forty d
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Speaker 14: NCO goes to battalion to replace old master key zero
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Speaker 14: nine fifteen. Thirteen year old female minor found in room
32:11
Speaker 14: zero nine sixteen. The barracks manager is notified if possible
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Speaker 14: underage female in room zero nine thirty PMO. The Provost
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Speaker 14: Marshall's office arrives to building zero nine forty five. DNCO
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Speaker 14: opens room. PMO escorts miners to duty hut. Zero nine
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Speaker 14: fifty one PMO enters duty hut to speak to minor.
32:33
Speaker 14: Zero nine fifty seven PMO steps off the deck. The
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Speaker 14: miner remains inside duty hut with DNCO nine ten late entry,
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Speaker 14: no positive idea available. Ten fifty three PMO steps off
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Speaker 14: the deck. Minor remains in duty hut with DNZO.
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Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, Joey Jones, what is a duty hut?
32:50
Speaker 7: Yeah? So I just want to lay out a couple
32:52
Speaker 7: of things here really quickly. That's the duty non commissioned officer,
32:56
Speaker 7: one person of a rank of E five or E
32:58
Speaker 7: six sometimes higher, is appointed by the hour for shifts,
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Speaker 7: but twenty four hours a day to be the person
33:05
Speaker 7: in charge of securing the Marines in the barracks, in
33:08
Speaker 7: other words, making sure they know what's happening in the barriers. Now,
33:11
Speaker 7: I want people to think about this for a minute.
33:13
Speaker 7: These barracks have eighteen to twenty four year olds that
33:17
Speaker 7: have put through boot camp and had a lot of
33:18
Speaker 7: faith and trusted in them in the Marine Corps especially.
33:22
Speaker 7: And when people start talking about, well, this is a
33:24
Speaker 7: huge problem in the military and we need to have
33:26
Speaker 7: a more secure barracks, well, listen. The difference between these
33:29
Speaker 7: eighteen to twenty four year olds and your kids that
33:31
Speaker 7: are eighteen to twenty four year old is that we
33:33
Speaker 7: entrust these eighteen to twenty four year olds with making
33:36
Speaker 7: the most important decisions at the lowest level. That is
33:39
Speaker 7: the only way we have ever won a war and
33:41
Speaker 7: the only way we ever will. So the gap in
33:43
Speaker 7: the military here is are we still doing that? Are
33:46
Speaker 7: we still creating the type of men and women out
33:49
Speaker 7: of these kids we send to boot camp that we need.
33:52
Speaker 7: That's a legitimate question. But to say that we need
33:55
Speaker 7: more security on military basis or in barracks is a misnomer,
33:59
Speaker 7: and it's from a place of inexperience and understand that,
34:02
Speaker 7: but it's certainly not the answer. We don't have maximum
34:05
Speaker 7: security at the barracks for a reason because if we
34:08
Speaker 7: can't trust those men and women in those barracks to
34:10
Speaker 7: do the most simple things that are decent and ethical
34:13
Speaker 7: and moral, then we can't trust them the fight of
34:15
Speaker 7: war and the entire premise of that place existing is
34:19
Speaker 7: no longer on the table. And so what's difficult for
34:23
Speaker 7: me to sit and listen to is pontificating on what
34:28
Speaker 7: security at the Marine Corps base is if you don't
34:31
Speaker 7: already understand it and the and the ethos behind it.
34:33
Speaker 7: What we can talk about is a severe lack in
34:36
Speaker 7: leadership across the board that is not creating eighteen to
34:38
Speaker 7: twenty year olds that wouldn't do something as atrocious as this,
34:42
Speaker 7: And that's I think a more important part of this.
34:44
Speaker 7: Also the family saying that there's a conspiracy to cover
34:47
Speaker 7: up Nancy. I don't know about you, I've never seen
34:49
Speaker 7: a conspiracy to cover up where the authority that would
34:52
Speaker 7: want to cover it up.
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Speaker 5: I e.
34:53
Speaker 7: The Marine Corps and by ten NCIS and local authorities.
34:57
Speaker 7: So I think there's a little bit of holes in
34:58
Speaker 7: that part of it too.
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Speaker 12: You mentioned earlier, Joey, that there are thousands of civilians
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Speaker 12: on this base as well. Who's to say one of
35:06
Speaker 12: them isn't the trafficker and had account with girl around
35:10
Speaker 12: to multiple people and this one marine was the last
35:13
Speaker 12: one to have her and he got caught.
35:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to point out that, first of all,
35:17
Speaker 2: you're right, we don't know when she got there. Did
35:21
Speaker 2: she get there the night before, did she get there
35:23
Speaker 2: an hour before? We don't know that. And both you
35:27
Speaker 2: I think that's Alie Neil speaking and Joey Jones are right.
35:32
Speaker 2: We don't know how long she had been there, so
35:35
Speaker 2: that we can't rely on the two week period. Who
35:38
Speaker 2: took her, how did she get there, how long had
35:40
Speaker 2: she been there? We do know she's there and someone
35:42
Speaker 2: reported her. Someone reported her to the duty officer because
35:46
Speaker 2: at nine sixteen the barracks manager is notified I'm a
35:50
Speaker 2: possible underage female in room. So somebody noticed it and
35:54
Speaker 2: somebody did say this is wrong, I'm reporting it. So
35:59
Speaker 2: where do we go from here? Take a US at
36:02
Speaker 2: our cut nine, the ant speaking out.
36:05
Speaker 4: We've just had an interview with someone referred to us
36:08
Speaker 4: by the military. In this meeting, we were told by
36:10
Speaker 4: the affiliated personnel that the military detective assigned to the
36:14
Speaker 4: case is trying to cover this up. As you can imagine,
36:18
Speaker 4: this is upsetting and absolutely unacceptable.
36:20
Speaker 3: I have the lead detective's name and.
36:23
Speaker 4: Phone number, and we'll be releasing it to the public
36:25
Speaker 4: pending confirmation from our attorney. Our hope in doing so
36:29
Speaker 4: is to both bring attention to my niece's case and
36:31
Speaker 4: to ensure that this does not go away upon release
36:34
Speaker 4: of more details.
36:35
Speaker 2: Again, we have no evidence that anyone is taking part
36:40
Speaker 2: in a cover up, and right now I'm more concerned
36:43
Speaker 2: about finding out was the girl raped. Take a US
36:47
Speaker 2: at our cut a our friends from crime Online.
36:50
Speaker 14: A fourteen year old girl was reported missing to the
36:52
Speaker 14: San Diego County Sheriff's Department four days after she disappeared
36:55
Speaker 14: from her Spring Valley home. The girl went missing on
36:58
Speaker 14: June ninth. Her grandmother called to least June thirteenth, a
37:01
Speaker 14: deputy with the Rancho San Diego Sheriff Station responded that
37:04
Speaker 14: same day, the girl's information was entered into multiple missing
37:07
Speaker 14: person databases. The San Diego Sheriff's Office says entering the
37:11
Speaker 14: information into databases let other law enforcement agencies know about
37:14
Speaker 14: her disappearance. Family protection detailed. Detectives continued working on the case,
37:19
Speaker 14: following up on potential leads. On June twenty eight, military
37:22
Speaker 14: police discovered the team at Camp Pimpleton and informed the
37:25
Speaker 14: Sheriff's Department and Moore and could be The team was
37:28
Speaker 14: discovered inside the barracks by military police, almost twenty days
37:32
Speaker 14: after she disappeared. So the question almost everyone's mind is
37:35
Speaker 14: how how did she get on base? How did she
37:38
Speaker 14: stay on base? How did no one see her or
37:41
Speaker 14: report her? Visitors to Camp Pimpleton, like all military bases,
37:45
Speaker 14: are stopped at the entrance. Visitors are required to show
37:48
Speaker 14: authorization to enter. Marines are allowed to bring visitors on
37:52
Speaker 14: base and even into the barracks until a certain hour.
37:54
Speaker 14: The time allot is different in each building. The barracks
37:57
Speaker 14: are a combination of common areas and individuals. Single Junior
38:01
Speaker 14: Marines are generally assigned to share a room with at
38:04
Speaker 14: least one other marine. Inside the rooms are most things
38:07
Speaker 14: you would find in an apartment or a dorm room.
38:09
Speaker 14: Two single beds, a small refrigerator, eating area, secretary desk, closet,
38:14
Speaker 14: and walllockers. The common areas have pool tables and TVs.
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Speaker 2: So it's not like what you saw in the movie
38:19
Speaker 2: Stripes with Bill Murray, where there's a lot of bunk beds.
38:25
Speaker 2: This sounds more like a dorm setting. And in a
38:28
Speaker 2: dorm setting where you've got two beds in each room,
38:31
Speaker 2: it would be easier to hide an unauthorized visitor. Alie O'Neil,
38:36
Speaker 2: co founder executive director of REVD up Kids. How do
38:40
Speaker 2: you help a child that has some sort of a
38:43
Speaker 2: disability relate what happened to them? How she got into
38:48
Speaker 2: Camp Pendleton? How long had she been there? Was she
38:51
Speaker 2: raped there? Because we know the guy that was arrested
38:54
Speaker 2: has been released, I'm certain.
38:56
Speaker 12: That they are doing forensic interviewing, and I know that
39:00
Speaker 12: doctor Andrew would probably say that if she was raped,
39:03
Speaker 12: if she was trafficked, if it was multiple perpetrators, we
39:06
Speaker 12: don't know any of this. It's going to take a
39:08
Speaker 12: lot of therapy to get her through this. And again
39:14
Speaker 12: I don't know that her learning disability is the crux
39:17
Speaker 12: of this. It's just another layer.
39:19
Speaker 7: There are a lot of very high.
39:21
Speaker 12: Functioning young girls who are lured by mastermind criminal traffickers online,
39:27
Speaker 12: so and in person.
39:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I'm just trying to figure out.
39:32
Speaker 2: Having dealt with child rape victims, and several of them
39:38
Speaker 2: did have disabilities, sometimes it's very difficult for them to
39:41
Speaker 2: explain verbally what happened to them. Alexis Tereschuk, Clime online
39:46
Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter. Where does the case stand right now?
39:49
Speaker 11: Well, the case is the marine has been released and
39:54
Speaker 11: there he had not been charged with a crime yet.
39:56
Speaker 11: But the girl, according to the ant, has told the
39:59
Speaker 11: ant she was raped. That is what the end is saying.
40:03
Speaker 11: So we are waiting to find out if they're going
40:05
Speaker 11: to be any charge as filed by the local police,
40:07
Speaker 11: if the military will take the action because it happened
40:10
Speaker 11: on their base and they have that jurisdiction.
40:13
Speaker 2: If you have information or think you have information, please
40:16
Speaker 2: dial the tip line six nine five three one two
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Speaker 2: four six eight repeat six nine five three one two
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Speaker 2: four six eight. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, Send