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INTERVIEW: Rob Lowe Speaks On Sex Symbol Status, Wild NBA Stories, Fatherhood, Unstable Season 2 More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, the Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is the DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
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  Speaker 1: We ought to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
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  Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, indeed we have a Rob Alte welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, it's good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going, actor Rob Loow?
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  Speaker 2: I should say Unstable Season two is out August first
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  Speaker 2: on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: And how are you feeling today?
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  Speaker 4: Bro?
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  Speaker 3: Anytime?
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  Speaker 5: This is the only Breakfast Club I've ever been a
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  Speaker 5: part of. Really, yeah, you know, because I didn't get
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  Speaker 5: the movie.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get the movie.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't get the movie. So this is it.
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  Speaker 4: Did you try out for the movie?
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  Speaker 3: I tried out for it and they were like no, because.
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  Speaker 4: Back then it was like a whole crew, y'all. It
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  Speaker 4: was probably like eight or ninety y'all that was in everything.
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  Speaker 5: And and John Hughes never put me in anything John
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  Speaker 5: Hughes movie.
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  Speaker 4: I never thought about that. Yeah, I think eighty you
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  Speaker 4: think you and like Molly Ringwall never did.
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  Speaker 5: It took to the nineties for me to I finally
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  Speaker 5: worked with Molly. We did Stephen King's The Stand Together.
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  Speaker 5: But in the eighties, no, none of that man Rob.
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  Speaker 4: You were famous at a time when fame actually meant something,
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  Speaker 4: when there was a barrier of entry to be a celebrity,
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  Speaker 4: you actually had to have a talent or skill set.
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  Speaker 4: What was being famous in the eighties and nineties?
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  Speaker 5: Like I think if I if I could go back
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  Speaker 5: at a time machine and be young, single, famous, I
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  Speaker 5: would not change a thing. I think the eighties was
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  Speaker 5: the time it was, you know, pre cell phones, pre
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  Speaker 5: the internet. You know, there was like it was just
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  Speaker 5: it was. It was a magical time. And if it was,
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  Speaker 5: it was a very fun time without the complications of today.
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  Speaker 3: And and as you alluded to, it was hard to
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  Speaker 3: be famous.
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  Speaker 5: It was like anybody today can be famous overnight, which
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  Speaker 5: has its own gifts. There's nothing wrong with it, but
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  Speaker 5: you did have to really kind of work.
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  Speaker 4: If you had social media in the eighty the nineties,
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  Speaker 4: you think you'd have a career a you think you'd
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  Speaker 4: be alive.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be alive. And it wouldn't be the social media.
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  Speaker 3: It would kill me.
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  Speaker 5: It would be cheap drugs, better sleeping pills, all of it.
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  Speaker 1: How have you had a job for so long?
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  Speaker 2: Because there's there's a million and one actors, but you
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  Speaker 2: stayed consistent. How would you say that you stayed consistent
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  Speaker 2: for so long?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think part of it is I I don't
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  Speaker 5: have the same level of I don't want to say
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  Speaker 5: fear because it sounds like I'm judging other actors. But
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  Speaker 5: I'm very eager to jump into new genres. You know,
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  Speaker 5: in the nineties, I jumped into television and that was
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  Speaker 5: still a time when like if you had started in
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  Speaker 5: movies you didn't do that, that meant your career was over.
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  Speaker 5: And you know that ended up being the West Wing.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, uh, I.
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  Speaker 5: Take supporting parts, smaller parts when they're really good for me,
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  Speaker 5: like in Behind the Candle Ober with Steven Soderberg, and
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  Speaker 5: so I kind of I kind of try to do
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  Speaker 5: follow what we're the interesting stuff is without thinking about
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  Speaker 5: what does that say?
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  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 5: And then the other thing is I still want to
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  Speaker 5: learn and I'm curious, like I'm I'm I'm super curious
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  Speaker 5: to have new experiences.
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  Speaker 4: And you and your son created the show together, right,
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  Speaker 4: that's right? Did your son earnest stripes in his business?
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  Speaker 4: Did you do the little nepotism thing?
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  Speaker 5: I did the I did the as any dad would
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  Speaker 5: do nepotism thing of would you like to I'd love
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  Speaker 5: it if you would meet.
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  Speaker 3: With my son.
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  Speaker 5: And then and you know, it's like I was talking
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  Speaker 5: to Steven A yesterday about about Lebron Yeah, big Leakers fan,
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  Speaker 5: and I was just saying, look, that's what dad's do
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  Speaker 5: And but you know, then you got to put up
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  Speaker 5: the points more in my kid's place.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when he was a writer's is you got.
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  Speaker 5: To go get the get the coffee, schlept to get
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  Speaker 5: the lunches. You know, don't let anybody know who you are.
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  Speaker 5: And then you when you start writing, then you better
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  Speaker 5: sell something. And you know, because Hollywood and the NBA
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  Speaker 5: are not in the business of giving anybody a free
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  Speaker 5: ride at the end of the day. And so you
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  Speaker 5: get season two of you create a show.
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  Speaker 3: You you've done something.
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  Speaker 5: So I opened the door, but he's got to walk
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  Speaker 5: in it.
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  Speaker 4: Did you did you raise your son John out of
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  Speaker 4: fear or love? And the reason I asked that is
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  Speaker 4: because you know, you've been sober for thirty years. He's
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  Speaker 4: been sober for seven years. And I always say my
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  Speaker 4: dad raised me out of fear because he didn't want
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  Speaker 4: me to make the same mistakes that he made, but
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  Speaker 4: I still ended up making him. Sure, So did you
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  Speaker 4: make it? Did you raise your son out of fear
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  Speaker 4: of love?
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  Speaker 3: Both?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: The sobriety thing was like I knew really early because
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  Speaker 5: I have two sons. One Matthew is in a lawyer
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  Speaker 5: and like a businessman. He went into like I say,
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  Speaker 5: real life, you know, John Owen went into my phony
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  Speaker 5: baloney acting life.
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  Speaker 3: One son I knew.
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  Speaker 5: Was going to have a normal relationship with drugs and
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  Speaker 5: alcohol like his mommy. And the other son, I knew
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  Speaker 5: he's going.
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  Speaker 3: To be like his daddy.
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  Speaker 1: How did you know? How did you know that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Come on, man, you like, come on like you you
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  Speaker 5: you walk in on that, like the group of kids
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  Speaker 5: on the weekend, and you surprise them, and and you
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  Speaker 5: know there's one kid who's like the other kids are like,
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  Speaker 5: and you're like, yeah, he's the one. I mean, you
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  Speaker 5: know what, you just know? And so happily, because I
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  Speaker 5: have been there, I know there's only one way to
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  Speaker 5: make it happen. And the parents can't do shit, and so.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to let them do it.
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  Speaker 5: You can't do anything they won't that you can't. The
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  Speaker 5: parents can't do anything that you can't get You can't
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  Speaker 5: get sober for anybody other than you. I don't care
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  Speaker 5: what your girlfriend, your mom, the law, whatever the hell
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  Speaker 5: it is, doesn't make any difference.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be ready.
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  Speaker 5: So, by by the grace of God, and Johnny God
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  Speaker 5: bless him, got his senior year at college.
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  Speaker 3: He decided he'd.
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  Speaker 5: Had enough and he came to Dad and I said,
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  Speaker 5: I know what to do now. And so I got
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  Speaker 5: into the right people, and we're a member of one
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  Speaker 5: of the great clubs in the world. I think of
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  Speaker 5: people in recovery because, let's face it, people are out
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  Speaker 5: there partying and get on or fun. They're fun, they're funny,
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  Speaker 5: they're smart, they're the life of the party, they're interesting.
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  Speaker 5: So those people sober are the sickest.
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  Speaker 4: So do you wait for somebody to come for both?
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  Speaker 4: Do you wait for do you wait till they come
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  Speaker 4: to you and say something? Or do you got to
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  Speaker 4: put a live You got to keep them alive.
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  Speaker 5: Your job is keep them alive.
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  Speaker 3: Your job is like is like put the rails.
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  Speaker 5: On the on the the when you're bowling.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you put up.
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  Speaker 3: Those rails so you don't roll.
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  Speaker 5: Gotta Yeah, that's that's all you can do. And by
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  Speaker 5: the way, that's a lot. I mean, I think partic
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  Speaker 5: for young men. I think it's like get them to
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  Speaker 5: twenty one by hook or by crook, whatever you gotta do,
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  Speaker 5: try to help get them so they don't make some
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  Speaker 5: horrible decision or hurt themselves or somebody else. Just get
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  Speaker 5: them to twenty one. Their brain's calm down and then
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  Speaker 5: you can have a cogent conversation with them.
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  Speaker 1: Now you talked about Unstable.
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  Speaker 2: For people that haven't seen it, break down what Unstable
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  Speaker 2: is about.
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  Speaker 5: So my son, if you follow them on Johnny low Instagram,
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  Speaker 5: he makes a lot of fun of me. He trolls
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  Speaker 5: me like no other I mean, he just and it
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  Speaker 5: makes me laugh so hard. He's a funny, little funny
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  Speaker 5: boy man. And people really got into the stuff he
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  Speaker 5: was saying about me, and it became a thing like
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't do an interview without people talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: So Johnny, being a smart kid, was like, I think
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  Speaker 5: there people like this dynamic, maybe there's a show in it.
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  Speaker 5: And so we didn't want to play ourselves. So we
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  Speaker 5: had to figure out a show that had the thing
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  Speaker 5: that people like, which is our dynamic in a world
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  Speaker 5: that we created, and we came up with what's the
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  Speaker 5: math that equals what people are responding to, and that
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  Speaker 5: is a father who's in the public eye, slightly larger
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  Speaker 5: than life, perhaps a little untethered from reality because he's
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  Speaker 5: been doing this for so long.
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  Speaker 3: And then the son who is the only one who.
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  Speaker 5: Can speak real people talk to him.
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  Speaker 3: So I play a tech.
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  Speaker 5: Guru, unhinged genius, and John Owen is the son who's
• 8:04
  Speaker 5: trying to live outside that shadow.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of healing in this show too, though,
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  Speaker 4: because you see like the grieving over the loss of
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  Speaker 4: the wife and the mom. Who added that element and
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  Speaker 4: what part of y'all real life were y'all bringing into
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  Speaker 4: the show with.
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  Speaker 5: It's so we brought in in season one Victor Fresco,
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  Speaker 5: who's a very funny writer, producer who did the Santa
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  Speaker 5: Clarita diet and Better Off Ted, and he brought that
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  Speaker 5: in to help humanize my character. And now in season
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  Speaker 5: two we have Andrew Gerland, who did a show called
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  Speaker 5: Friends from College that I love, and it's always good
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  Speaker 5: I think to get a third set of eyes on
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  Speaker 5: an idea. And we've had really good collaborators who've helped,
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  Speaker 5: but that that was something that they added.
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  Speaker 1: Did you make yours an audition for his own role?
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  Speaker 3: I make an audition every day? He No, he was,
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  Speaker 3: and you listen.
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  Speaker 5: I was worried about it because you know, he's acted,
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  Speaker 5: he did, he's done some stuff on his own, but
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  Speaker 5: this was a huge.
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  Speaker 3: Leap for him.
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  Speaker 5: And in season two, you know, seeing the growth because
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  Speaker 5: we've had some comic.
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  Speaker 3: Killers on the show.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Lamur and Morris is who I love, he's
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  Speaker 5: and he's so good in it. We got Fred Armison
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  Speaker 5: who's on it, Iris Apatow so z. Johnny really hold
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  Speaker 5: his own with that group. This year is great.
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  Speaker 4: Did you and you still never get how together? No?
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  Speaker 3: God, no, I've been I've been sober thirty four years.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Now and you've been married
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  Speaker 4: twenty nine years too, right, thirty three thirty three? Wow?
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  Speaker 4: So you talk about being unstable at what level of
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  Speaker 4: the ability has being married with thirty three years provided you? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Man, it's it's saved my life, you know for sure.
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  Speaker 5: You know my wife Cheryl is you know, she's my
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  Speaker 5: my I don't even know how to describe it because
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  Speaker 5: she's always been my best friend. She is the smartest person,
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  Speaker 5: the most instinctive person I know and smartest but like
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  Speaker 5: the greatest instincts and my greatest supporter and a terrific mom.
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  Speaker 5: So if you know, anybody out there, if you're lucky
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  Speaker 5: enough to get that in your life, you're so far
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  Speaker 5: ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 4: What what what made you finally have the you know
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  Speaker 4: where with thoughts that you know what? I got to
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  Speaker 4: settle down because you were a Not only were you
• 10:20
  Speaker 4: a star in the eighties and nineties, you were considered
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  Speaker 4: what they call a heart throw sex symbol. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was a player. I was out there.
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  Speaker 4: You think he's sexy's just stayed out.
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  Speaker 1: Heart throw, call him a sex symbol.
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  Speaker 4: Heart throw.
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  Speaker 3: I'll take both, guys, He'll give it. I'm happy with both.
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  Speaker 4: He liked both.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not true. I said sex and I'm both.
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  Speaker 3: I'll take it. Come on, man, I'm a six year
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  Speaker 3: old man.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, which seems kind of way to know.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, I do you get
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  Speaker 4: a lot of robs.
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  Speaker 3: I was I was having I was doing a really
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  Speaker 3: good time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And and by the way, that's why I think when
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  Speaker 5: I was done, I was done. It's just it's no
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  Speaker 5: different than than than partying. It's like I didn't get cheated.
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  Speaker 5: I went on swinging. And so when I was.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: Done, literally.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm glad you got you.
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  Speaker 4: I got it.
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  Speaker 5: But but but so when I was done, I was done.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I have no illusions. I left it all
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  Speaker 5: in the whatever analogy you want to use, I left
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  Speaker 5: it all in the field.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: Did you have was your sex tape the first leak
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  Speaker 1: sex tape ever?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you invented the sector that was eighty eight or
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: he said you invented the sexta did celebrity sexty? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: But I was stupid enough to see.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the thing is, being first isn't always best because
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  Speaker 5: like nobody monetized it, like you know, made it.
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  Speaker 3: Made Kim k.
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  Speaker 5: But but it almost ruined me. But I mean it's
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  Speaker 5: a big difference.
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  Speaker 4: Why did it almost ruin you? Because you had an
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  Speaker 4: image double they dude.
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  Speaker 5: So if you were to go back and look at
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  Speaker 5: the nightly news from whatever that came.
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  Speaker 6: Out, Tom broke call, there's NBC news, right, doctor rob
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  Speaker 6: ral and the whole thing, they go and another news
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  Speaker 6: in Gman square.
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  Speaker 3: Democracy rose as a man stood.
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  Speaker 5: In front of a gentleman square was the second.
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  Speaker 3: Story on the news.
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  Speaker 1: How did the tape lead?
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  Speaker 2: Was your tape you were recording? Somebody broke into your
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  Speaker 2: house or something like? How did it leave?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: It got stolen? But you know, look, man, it's like
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  Speaker 5: it's one of those things that led me to where
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  Speaker 5: I am. You know, I have no regrets in my
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  Speaker 5: life and I and I've thought about it, man, I
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  Speaker 5: really really have. Is because I've always learned more from
• 12:36
  Speaker 5: the mistakes and the screw ups.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, that watch is so sick.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 4: You said it changed the trajectory of your life, though, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but in a bad way? You meet no, No, in
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  Speaker 4: a good way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's it started me thinking about what am
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  Speaker 5: I really doing here? Who am I hanging out with?
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  Speaker 5: And uh, you know, you're only as good as the
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  Speaker 5: company you keep. And then I looked around and met
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  Speaker 5: my wife Cheryl about a year after that, and it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't It wasn't like I had an overnight conversion on anything,
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  Speaker 5: but I realized that it's like, what do they say,
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  Speaker 5: it's time to put you know, it was time to
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  Speaker 5: it was trying to move on to a different, different,
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  Speaker 5: different life.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it made your stock rise up because
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of women got to see what
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  Speaker 4: she was working with.
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  Speaker 3: I hope. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean listen, I
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  Speaker 3: can't be the judge of that now.
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, you can't. Can Yeah, you got a ruler?
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  Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Is it true?
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  Speaker 1: During that time in the eighties, pat Riley also banned
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  Speaker 1: you from the.
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  Speaker 3: Would you why because of that?
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Come on?
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: I think you wanted Irvan messed up in that ship.
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: Michael Cooper with the Lakers all the time while.
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  Speaker 4: And you party party with them before.
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  Speaker 5: Those are my guy. I love that era so much.
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  Speaker 5: I love those men, so them so much, and you
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  Speaker 5: know it just I wonder if like I go to
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  Speaker 5: Lake Ams still but and I love all of it.
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  Speaker 5: It's I mean, come on, man, that was the fucking captain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the crazy thing that happened with else say
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  Speaker 2: your names. The craziest night.
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  Speaker 5: The craziest night was when it was during the Pistons
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  Speaker 5: the first Pistons Final in Detroit, and in those days
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  Speaker 5: that the schedule was like what two three two? I think,
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  Speaker 5: so you would you'd have these three games which were forever,
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: they were an eternity and you're in Detroit for like,
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: you know, a long time and you're out, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So I sent some friends up to somebody's broom and.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: What are the plays? Yeah, and an opposite team.
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  Speaker 5: No on our team, and Riley found out about it,
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  Speaker 5: and that's why he banned me. And then the other
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  Speaker 5: the other one that really that no one knew about
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  Speaker 5: is I took I took one of the one of
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  Speaker 5: my guys out.
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  Speaker 3: To mister Chows.
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  Speaker 5: And those are the days when I was doing my
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  Speaker 5: thing and I took something and he was, what's that
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  Speaker 5: I got?
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  Speaker 3: It's called a kaylude? So I want to try that.
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: He went, oh for thirty four Jesus right, I mean,
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: you look up the stats and I'm like, what.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: That's Did he play that night? And the next day he.
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: Played the next day?
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, the next day?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: What's wrong?
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Rabo?
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: True?
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: I read that you was coach Michael Jordan and Magic
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Cory.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't wear yeah, so uh I.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Magic used to have a amazing fundraise raiser. I want
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: to say it was for United Negro College fund. I
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: want to say. It was at the Forum every summer
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: and you had to show, like if you were in
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: the nb DA NBA, and you got the call from him.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: You showed, so every star you can imagine played and
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Arsenio coached one side and I coached the other. It
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: tells you exactly like what era it is, right, And
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: it was the first time that MJ and Magic played
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: together on the same team, and we scored.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: We like I did anything.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: They scored two hundred points and lost. Ray who they
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: play against the other team was Carl Malone, Clyde Drexler,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: those of the two I really remember. And I remember
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: that I called the time out towards the end of
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: the game just so I could be involved, and everybody
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: was laughing, and I look over at Michael and he
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: was like dead eyed, and everybody's laughing, and all of
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: a sudden, people realized that Michael wasn't laughing and they
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: looked at him. I goes, hey, man, we're gonna win
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: this motherfucker. And everybody's like, oh, oh okay.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: We didn't know that was how it was.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: And so then they everybody played defense and still lost.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: But you saw first I saw firsthand like Michael does play.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, super super cool.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: And it was also the first time he ever shot
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: free throws with his eyes closed, which I think he
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: went on to do once.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: At least NBA he did, he did.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: This is the first time he did it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: I want somebody to look up the over thirty four
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: shoot instead. I need to know who that was one
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: of these internets loose will figure it out. Was Hollywood
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: in the eighties really as evil as people made it
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: out to be?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Well in what sense? Tell me?
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Tell me when you like when you see all these
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: hard you see these documentaries now, and they got the
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: creepy music playing and everybody was on drum.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: It was it was way more. It was more innocent
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: because we didn't know what we didn't know. I mean,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: listen when I came up because of this, Dude, when
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I came up, my heroes were all on blow. I
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: don't want to name names of the actors, but again,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: you could do the math. They all lived on Mulholland,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: and they all were single, and they all were getting
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: after it every single night and winning Academy Awards and
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: then roll the Laker games, and dude, I just modeled
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: my life after the after heroes.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Cocaine was regular and it was pure.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: It's what you did if you were if you were
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: successful and smart and by the way, in the beginning,
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: they thought it was good for you. Really, yeah, nobody
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: knew it hadn't brought a generation.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: To its knees yet.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it hadn't.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: And so again we didn't know what we didn't We
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: didn't know. It's like it's like anything else that we
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: know about how we treat people in the workplace. You know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: today is a completely different time. I mean, Warner Brothers
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: gave you know, all of us underage kids booze on
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: the set of The Outsiders studio.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: It's just people didn't know. We didn't know any better,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: did that?
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Why you and Tom Cruse got in a fight, y'all drunk?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: We weren't drunk when we fought.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: We were we were training. We were doing like a
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: fight night before there was a fight night in the
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: hallway because we're just young dudes, testosterone.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Real fight in that slat box like fight fight.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: And we had full gear on, head gear, gloves.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: So you Tom Cruise, Matt, Dylan Patrick's wayde.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Matt didn't do any of the athletics, okay, non zero Matt.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: I love Matt, most unathletic movie star whoever lived.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Patrick's wady god bleft to day.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: He was he was a baller, he was super athletic.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Another one, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was me. Amelia
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: and Tom were the ones who trained all the time.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: And part of the training was boxing. And you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: if I got off a clean one once and that
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: was the end, I just then Tom just went wild.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: So he was mad you hit him.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: He's just competitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: It was great.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: But that's that's what it's like.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: If you guys were in college and screwing around with
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: your fellas in a frat or whatever, whatever that would
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: look like. Is what we did. Got you in the
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: hotel because we were eight, you know, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: year old kids, And.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Where were your parents, Like when the executives were feeding
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: y'all booths and stuff like, where were the parents of
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the guardians?
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Well that was at eighteen, you didn't have to have
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: a guardian. I turned eighteen on.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: The set of The Outsiders.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: It was the drinking age in some states back then.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Again we didn't know, we didn't know. And but Tommy,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: he was a kid. Tommy was fifteen and he was
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: just getting after it. Wow, pony boy, Tom Tommy, how okay?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, pony boy sounds crazy. That was his nickname.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah outside, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, pony was a
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: good nickname.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Would you ever make a movie about that era and
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: like really tell the truth?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I would?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: Well, I wrote a book about about it, and there's
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: a chapter or two, but there's more than a few
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: chapters called stories.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I only tell my friends. You can get it on Amazon.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: There's some good stuff in it there, but I've never
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: really I may do a documentary.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to some folks about doing a documentary.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Because I like what you said about you didn't know
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: what you just didn't know. That's right, and that's why
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's like even NOWADAYD. I don't think I
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: think Cancel Coach is over, but it's how do you
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: judge people for what they did?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Tell me what you think it's over?
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: I'm super curious because you sit right in the culture.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: If anybody would know, you would know you, guys, why
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: why do you think it's over?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Because everybody realized this is circular firing squad and nobody's perfect,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna end up taking either you're gonna get
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: shot and you end up taking out somebody that you
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: really care for. I don't think it's a circular firing squad.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: It's not sustainable.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I love that. I hope you're right.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got to give people grace.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: And I think everybody has some type of dirt or
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: something on them that you don't.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: You don't want it to fire back at you, for sure.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Right, it feels like it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Right, it feels like it's coming to an ad a
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I forgot what I even asked you.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I turned it around and asked you a question.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: You know what it is you do? Have you got
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: eighties dreamy eyes? Bro? You turn like this.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: I gave you the the Robert Redford half over exactly. Yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: it's just when you're kind of half over your shoulder exactly.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Old Bobby Redford invented that ship.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Who's Bobby Redford?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Robert Redford?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Oh? Should see me? Called hole making like Hollywood? Now?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Do I like it?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: It's funny because so we're here promoting the show. Right,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: My son is twenty eight? He so I remember that era.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: I mean I was already married and sober by twenty eight.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: But you know, my point being, he's a young actor
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: in New York City, just you know, it's the hit.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: The world is his oyster, and I look at what
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: how he sees the world visa via Hollywood and everyth
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: and how I see it. And you know, he's down
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: at the Bowery and he's got this one and that one.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: He's walking around, he's doing his thing, and all I
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: want to do is run the reservoir in Central Park,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: get some room service, and.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Go to bed. And because.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: So do.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I love Hollywood. I love working in Hollywood. I love
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: what happens when people come together to create. I love
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: the adrenaline of what is the next thing. I love
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: when people on the street stop and say, hey, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: can't wait for und stable or.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I've seen it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I love all of that. That never gets old. But
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: everything else around it been there, done that.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I just wonder what's missing because y'all came up in
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: a time and everybody was a fucking mess. But it
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: never seemed like that mess really leaked out to the public,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: unless like it was like an extreme, extreme situation. But
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: now it just seems like everybody's stuff is out there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's social media, it's self inflicted
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: in social media.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Well, Listen, if you went to a nightclub or whatever
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: and in the day and we're doing whatever you were doing,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and everybody saw it. Who theyre going to tell? They
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: tell somebody and they don't believe it or whatever. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: now we're a place where you photograph it or say
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: it's happening right now, and it's everybody knows everything. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: I think I think that's that's it. And also people
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: are also much more open. I mean, there's a time,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: you know, young young folks can't even fathom this where
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: you didn't even come in and do what I'm doing,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Like you didn't see Warren Batty, Like my I'm talking
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: about movie star icons right at the time, you didn't
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: see Warren Batty do any interviews for anything. It's like
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: beneath them, and and and then on and on and on.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: So again, like now.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: You've got if you're opening them, if you're doing Twister,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: you got them running around the country doing doing song
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: and dance numbers in every city to open up that movie.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: And that that didn't you know, it was way way
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: more private.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: But that's because it was it because y'all were proven
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: movie stars already. Though, So it's just like if we
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: noticed group of people are going to be in a movie.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: A'll Warren Baty started movie. I'm going to see it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: That's exactly. That's also part of it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: You're right, there's you know, there were three networks.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: On TV, so many other options.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Now you have so many, and everything's so segmented. So
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: whatever you're in do, there's a whole silo just for
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: you and and that and what you're into can be
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: as niche as niche niche niche can be, and you
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: can find your community. And in the old days, you
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: know that those niche entertainment needs went unfulfilled and so
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: all you had was broad entertainment.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Will there ever be any new movie stars ever again?
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Will there ever be a.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Not like there were?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Because the world's different, I mean not like there were.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: And I think I wonder it's the same musicians, it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: the same movies. It's funny athletes, though there are still
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: superstars like they used to be, even maybe more so today,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: But in movies and music, I feel like you're never
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: going to see the likes of the kind of stars
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: that were created when stars had to really earn their
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: way in.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I think the athletes might not be the same though,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: because the athletes of that era actually cared about winning
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: more than anything.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, don't get me started.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: You know. So it's like when you that's how you
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: become an icon due the reason you look at Jordan,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: when you look at Jordan's Magic or Brady is because
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: they actually won people.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Well they were they were as interested, if not more. Well,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: here's the thing I just I you go back.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: To to the Lakers.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: It's like, it's so hard for me to watch the
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: NBA now because I just know all those guys are
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: are bros. Well, they definitely are because they're talking about,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: hey do we want to play together here?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: And there?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine that conversation.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Going on between Charles Berkley and Magic or Patrick Ewing
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: and and no, they wanted.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: To murder each other out on the floor.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: So it's just a different Again, it's I'm not saying
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: it's better or worse, but.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: It's not the same.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: You consider bron a Laker.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Again, that's it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: No, he's got championships with multiple teams, but that doesn't
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: make him not a Laker. I'm talking about yeah, yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I say multiple multiple teams.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about stature. You would you want a statue
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: of bron in front of the Staples Center.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Sure, oh yeah, I mean he won a championship. He's he's,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: you know, the in the top three. I'm gonna in trouble.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Whoever played one, two or three?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you an all time lag.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Cridinal, he's not an all time Laker.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: He just doesn't.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: He's not because because he is. And I don't mean
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: this as a pejorative, but he's a little bit of
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: a mercenary.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: He goes as he should, He goes he wants to go,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: does he wants to do? Why wouldn't he? But that
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: culture didn't exist. I mean again, you would never remember
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: when Michael couldn't get past Cleveland.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that Cleveland?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You remember that?
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Remember that era?
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, so what if Michael had said, you know what,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go play Brad Dherty in Cleveland.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Brad Darty and Mark Price.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But Mike Price, those guys, but.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: They were remember they were killing him. So it's just
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: a different different time. Robert the go Yeah, I know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: all right, Rob, You guys guys are the sickest watches.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, thank you, it's just a little something.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Just a little nothing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Thank you. You're watching clean too, though.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yes it is absolutely I went my day, my day
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: one every.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Day, that's it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Every day.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It's every day, paddics every day. I'm not mad at you.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Come on, Ladies and Gentlemen.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Unstable Season two premieres August first on Netflix and Rob Loow.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you for joining us.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: This is great, guys.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: in the morning.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: The Breakfast Club.