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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-14-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: for us today. Got to give a shout out to
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  Speaker 2: our producer, Gordy Chiza is going to be here for
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  Speaker 2: an hour. John Wright. As the PGA Championship has begun,
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  Speaker 2: golf analyst and insider already some interesting things happening at
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  Speaker 2: the PGA Championship. If you're Garrett Hego and you're penalized
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  Speaker 2: two strokes for showing up one minute late to your
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  Speaker 2: tea time, you have become the most relatable golfer in
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  Speaker 2: the world. To me out, my favorite golfer on the planet,
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  Speaker 2: because that's the exact kind of thing that would happen
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  Speaker 2: to me. So we'll get into the PGA Tour PGA Championship.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Nevalta is also going to stop by. He has
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  Speaker 2: a new book out, Inspiring Stories of Soccer Greats for kids.
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  Speaker 2: It's that time of year that it's just fun to
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  Speaker 2: talk about this kind of stuff, and Chris Nevalta was
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  Speaker 2: kind of enough to hop on with us. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: was it all full year ago. He opped on with
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  Speaker 2: us for his last book, so he's jumping on again
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  Speaker 2: for the new one as well. James, when's the last
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  Speaker 2: time we talked with Chris Nevalta a while back? NBA
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  Speaker 2: playoffs continue. The Cleveland Cavaliers the Detroit Pistons still battling
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  Speaker 2: it out. Last night. You had an overtime win for Cleveland,
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  Speaker 2: so Donovan Mitchell and company march a little bit closer
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  Speaker 2: toward advancing over the team that had the East best record.
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  Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, the Detroit Pistons they like to
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  Speaker 2: be the cardiac kids. They like to scare their fans
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  Speaker 2: and all the people who support them. James Harden, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the same James Harden that seems to just hit roadblocks
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  Speaker 2: every time the games are important. James Harden had thirty
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  Speaker 2: points last night to lead all scorers in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me to lead his team in this game. Kate
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  Speaker 2: Cunningham had thirty nine, but was not enough as nobody
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  Speaker 2: else really pulled their weight for the Detroit Pistons, and
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  Speaker 2: Cleveland gets it done one seventeen to one thirteen to
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  Speaker 2: take a three to two series lead. In that one. Winners,
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  Speaker 2: of course, will advance to the Eastern Conference Finals. On
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  Speaker 2: the NHL side of things, the Colorado Avalanche, who were
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  Speaker 2: the best team in the league all year long, they
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  Speaker 2: closed it out with an overtime win of their own.
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  Speaker 2: Nate McKinnon tied it up very late and they got
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  Speaker 2: the game winner in overtime, four to three. Avalanche.
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  Speaker 1: Move on.
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  Speaker 2: The Minnesota Wild. Adrian Denny talked about this, the Minnesota Wild.
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  Speaker 2: They really kind of went all in this year to
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  Speaker 2: get Quinn Hughes. Matt Boldy had a great season, Caprisov
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  Speaker 2: had a great season. And I keep saying this with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of different teams, but stories like that of
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  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Wild really highlight just how difficult it is
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  Speaker 2: to march your way into a conference final.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Colorado will now await the winner of the Anaheim and
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  Speaker 2: Las Vegas series. But the Wild didn't do anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The Wild played some pretty good really all season long,
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  Speaker 2: but even in these playoffs, and they just you just
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  Speaker 2: sometimes run up against teams that are better, You run
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  Speaker 2: up against teams that are deeper, You run up against
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  Speaker 2: teams that have years and years of frustration built up.
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  Speaker 2: And when you get heroics from Nate McKinnon with whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is, sixty seconds left in a game. It's just
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard to overcome that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Brett Koulak scored the game winner for the Colorado Avalanche,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna sit here and pretend for you
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  Speaker 2: that I'm like the biggest Brett Koulak fan in the world,
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  Speaker 2: but learning the story after the fact that Kulak has
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  Speaker 2: played in twenty one overtime playoff games and he has
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  Speaker 2: never recorded a point previous to last night's game winning goals.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. When you've been there that long for
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  Speaker 2: that much, you're that experience in those exact scenarios and
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  Speaker 2: took you twenty twenty one games before you finally got
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  Speaker 2: your first career point and it wasn't just an assist.
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  Speaker 2: It was the game winning goal against a really good
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota Wild team. That's cool for Colorado, who again, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many times I'm gonna have to say it.
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  Speaker 2: They have been the best team in the NHL all
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  Speaker 2: season long, and I think that the Cup is there
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  Speaker 2: is to lose. Carolina is going to try to have
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  Speaker 2: something to say about it. Whoever emerges Anahei or Vegas
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  Speaker 2: is going to have a tough test in the Western
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  Speaker 2: Conference Final. And for the Avalanche, you know, they've had
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  Speaker 2: not injuries, but they have been getting beat up a
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  Speaker 2: little bit in this series in these playoffs really, so
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  Speaker 2: the rest versus rust thing that people talk about, I
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  Speaker 2: think that Colorado's going to benefit from a couple extra
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  Speaker 2: days rest by closing out their series early. Why am
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  Speaker 2: I talking about the NHL Playoffs, Well, because they're the
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  Speaker 2: coolest thing going on right now in the world of sports.
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  Speaker 2: In they're a place where we expect our Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 2: to be kind of perennially moving forward, right And I
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  Speaker 2: don't typically want to lead a show with a building
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  Speaker 2: announcement for the construction announcement, but I think it it
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  Speaker 2: bears a real conversation about what the Smith Entertainment Group,
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  Speaker 2: what the ownership of the Utah Jazz and the Utah
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth are doing right now with the infrastructure, with the
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  Speaker 2: reputation of this as a sports market, of our state
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  Speaker 2: as a sports market, with the sort of investment and
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  Speaker 2: the buy in that they are displaying. And I know
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  Speaker 2: that there are a lot of folks out there, and
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  Speaker 2: you might be among them, that think that there's a
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  Speaker 2: certain nefarious element to anyone who is a billionaire and
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  Speaker 2: you don't like the fact that, you know, the Smith
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  Speaker 2: Entertainment Group and that Ryan Smith wants state funds and
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  Speaker 2: taxpayer incentives and money to be, you know, subsidizing the
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  Speaker 2: projects that he is going to profit off of and
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  Speaker 2: that his business partners are going to profit off of.
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  Speaker 2: I understand your thoughts on that. I understand that sentiment,
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  Speaker 2: I really do. It is one of those whether you
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  Speaker 2: call it fortunate or unfortunate, I think depends on which
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  Speaker 2: side of the coin you're on, whether you're the consumer
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  Speaker 2: or you're the builder, the businessman, the owner. It's just
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  Speaker 2: the American way. And maybe that's reductive, and maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: me being, you know, kind of an apologist for the
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  Speaker 2: darker side of capitalism. But I think the point for
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  Speaker 2: me is that it's not unique to Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 2: It's not unique to Utah. And while you might not
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  Speaker 2: like an overture from a billionaire to hey, can can
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  Speaker 2: the tax base also give me some money to help
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  Speaker 2: this out because they're going to benefit from it. You
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  Speaker 2: don't have to like that, but I think you do
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  Speaker 2: have to like the level of investment and the level
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  Speaker 2: of creativity with some of these partnerships that Smith Entertainment
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  Speaker 2: Group is putting forward. The announcement came down kind of
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  Speaker 2: during our show yesterday, right after our show yesterday, that
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  Speaker 2: Smith Entertainment Group and Inner Mountain Health are doing a
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  Speaker 2: They're announcing a partnership. They're utilizing once again the sort
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  Speaker 2: of headquarters the home base of the Southtown Center down
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  Speaker 2: in Sandy, right off one hundred and sixth South. Which
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's another reason why I love this, because those
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  Speaker 2: are my old stomping grounds, that's where I grew up.
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  Speaker 2: Inner Mountain and Smith Entertainment Group are building a world
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  Speaker 2: class sports performance center and it's going to be down
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  Speaker 2: there in the same day parking lot as the Jazz
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  Speaker 2: Practice facility, the Mammoth Practice. It's the Southtown Mall getting
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  Speaker 2: a facelift now as depractice facility, the nutrition facility. The
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  Speaker 2: home of two professional sports franchises and now a world
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  Speaker 2: class sports performance medical facility that can only help the
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  Speaker 2: reputation of both of these franchises. And I'm not talking
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  Speaker 2: about for fans. Right you're going to see this, You're
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  Speaker 2: probably gonna go to the open house. Maybe they'll have
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  Speaker 2: kind of a like a toash sort of thing where
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  Speaker 2: there's skills camps and speed camps and things like that
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  Speaker 2: where the sports performance people make themselves available for a fee,
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  Speaker 2: of course, to help your high school kid, your middle
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  Speaker 2: school kid or whatever. So maybe there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: some level of community engagement here, But realistically the benefit
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  Speaker 2: for this is that everyone in the NHL and eventually
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  Speaker 2: people in the NBA are going to be like, Man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Chicago and I don't have anything like this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in LA and ours isn't as nice as this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in New York City and the commute to my
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  Speaker 2: sports performance center is a nightmare. This one is a
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  Speaker 2: glittering jewel with beautiful views of the Wasatch Range. I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking up at the South Burder, the snowbird end of
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  Speaker 2: the little Cottonwood Canyon. I'm looking up at that through
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  Speaker 2: these windows while I'm getting my rehab, while I'm sitting
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  Speaker 2: in the cold tub. I mean, it's just Ryan Smith
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  Speaker 2: and company are leveraging the beauty of our state, the
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  Speaker 2: friendliness of politics in our state, toward this type of
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  Speaker 2: business expansion. And they are creating a partnership with Inner
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  Speaker 2: Mountain Health, which he companies are a nightmare. But this
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  Speaker 2: partnership is going to help make Utah Jazz Utah Mammoth,
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  Speaker 2: and eventually the baseball team will probably have an opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: even though that'll be a different ownership group, to also
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  Speaker 2: utilize this type of stuff. They are making Utah into
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  Speaker 2: a world class professional sports market. I cannot overstate how
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  Speaker 2: significant that is for the growth of our city, the
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  Speaker 2: growth of our community, the economic opportunities that can come
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  Speaker 2: with it. And I mean, the numbers don't always pencil
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  Speaker 2: out the way that professional sports franchises want them to
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  Speaker 2: in terms of like job creation and influx of capital
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  Speaker 2: into a certain market. But the idea that Sandy, Utah
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  Speaker 2: is going to have some world cla sports performance facilities
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  Speaker 2: physically attached to an NBA and NHL practice facility, putting
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  Speaker 2: it all right down there, is going to mean that
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  Speaker 2: your property value. If you're living in Pepperwood right now,
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  Speaker 2: you're about to have some NBA and NHL neighbors. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if you're down there by the Willow Creek Country Club,
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  Speaker 2: if you're out there on South Mountain, these players and
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  Speaker 2: their families and these coaches and these general managers and
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  Speaker 2: all these people the south end of the Salt Lake
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  Speaker 2: Valley because of some of this is going to get
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit, just a little bit fancy, just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit all right. Southtown all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: is going to get a couple of high end stores
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  Speaker 2: that haven't been in a place like that for a while,
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  Speaker 2: because now you've got a base that can afford to
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  Speaker 2: shop there. There's still going to be NBA players that
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  Speaker 2: fly in, they do their workouts, they're here for the interviews,
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  Speaker 2: and they might not like the idea of playing in
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, right. They might know the reputation, they
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  Speaker 2: might know the lack of ethnic diversity, they might have
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  Speaker 2: some feelings about the strong Republican base of our home state, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But there's not going to be any professional athlete NBA,
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  Speaker 2: NHL or otherwise that goes to Sandy that goes and
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  Speaker 2: sees this facility and says, I don't want to work here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want this to be my day to day.
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  Speaker 2: And what that is is that's Ryan Smith and the
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  Speaker 2: Smith Entertainment Group, and by extension in the Mountain Health.
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  Speaker 2: They are they're maxing the potential of these franchises when
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  Speaker 2: you can't. They're controlling what they can control. The controllables
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  Speaker 2: of changing the reputation of an entire state or an
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  Speaker 2: entire city. They're pretty limited, even if you're a billionaire.
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  Speaker 2: But guess what, Silicon Valley isn't the coolest place to
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  Speaker 2: live in in the not even in the Bay Area.
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  Speaker 2: The Google campus, the Facebook campus, all of these mega
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  Speaker 2: companies that created destinations for the world's most genius coders
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  Speaker 2: and workers. That was investment from the companies. That was
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  Speaker 2: an environment created deliberately to lower in the best talent.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that they're different and the rules of
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  Speaker 2: talent acquisition are different, and their salary caps and things
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  Speaker 2: like that, but man, this is a big deal. And
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  Speaker 2: again it's it's a sports performance facility that you and
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  Speaker 2: your family may never actually utilize. You may never Actually
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  Speaker 2: you'll drive past it and you'll be like, oh, look, yep,
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  Speaker 2: there's the Jazz logo. There's the Mammoth logo, there's the
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  Speaker 2: Inner Mountain logo. You know, that's a really cool place.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of guys are flying in from all over
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  Speaker 2: the country to get their knees surgery done right here,
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  Speaker 2: to do their rehab right here, to get some high
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  Speaker 2: altitude training and the run on the underwater treadmill with
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  Speaker 2: the oxygen mask on. We have all of that right here.
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  Speaker 2: Criticism is always open and welcome for people who are
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  Speaker 2: in the power structure of business and sport. But this
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  Speaker 2: is a continual reinvestment in the community and in the
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure around these teams that are in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: ways community assets. So even if there's not a ton
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  Speaker 2: of access or a ton of availability for you and
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  Speaker 2: me to the actual sports performance sports medicine center, man,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to make it a lot more likely that
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  Speaker 2: Dwayne Wade and Ryan Smith can fly guys in, even
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  Speaker 2: free agents. Dare I say it, fly guys in and
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  Speaker 2: say hey, look at this man, look what we got.
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  Speaker 2: And while you're getting your knee work done, your kids
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  Speaker 2: can go skate on one of the rinks over there.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a really, really neat thing that's happening, and
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  Speaker 2: it's further evidence that the sports campus down there in
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  Speaker 2: Sandy is going to end up emerging as one of
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  Speaker 2: the best overall professional facilities in the four major sports.
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  Speaker 2: The press release talks about it being a health and
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  Speaker 2: wellness epicenter of the campus, fully integrated medical care, performance innovation,
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  Speaker 2: all in one seamless ecosystem, and this is where I'm
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  Speaker 2: encouraged that I think there actually is going to be
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  Speaker 2: community outreach. There is going to be access. Athletes of
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  Speaker 2: all levels will have access to AI enabled performance insights
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  Speaker 2: and sophisticated movement analysis that connects bio mechanics and assesses
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  Speaker 2: injury risk, guiding training, recovery, and return to play protocols.
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  Speaker 2: If you're at the University of Utah right now, you
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  Speaker 2: have your own University of Utah Health system, You're a
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  Speaker 2: competitor for Inner Mountain Health. But you better be keeping
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  Speaker 2: one eye on exactly what they're putting in there, and
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  Speaker 2: you better match it. Right. This is going to be
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  Speaker 2: fantastic for the reputation of this league, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: is already benefiting off of a much more in the moment.
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  Speaker 2: This is not going to be open till twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Scroll down your Twitter feed right now. Look where one
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  Speaker 2: of the top two picks in the NBA draft is
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  Speaker 2: reportedly telling people where does he want to be? Aj
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  Speaker 2: debonsa multiple reports saying there he wants to stay in Utah.
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  Speaker 2: He's interested in staying in Utah, guys, even if he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't actually end up staying in Utah, which I've come
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  Speaker 2: to acknowledge is probably not as likely as I wish
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  Speaker 2: it was. Planting the seed across a young generation of
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  Speaker 2: NBA athlete, especially black NBA athletes, that this is a
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  Speaker 2: place that I would like to be. That's a complete novelty.
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  Speaker 2: That is brand new. The conversation around Salt Lake City
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  Speaker 2: and around the Utah Jazz has been everything but that now.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of guys have said after the fact, after they
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  Speaker 2: get to know Utah, after they spend time in this community, oh, man,
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  Speaker 2: I love it there. They buy homes here, they stay here,
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  Speaker 2: they golf here, they raise families here. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: those guys are pleasantly surprised. Right, maybe it's less of
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  Speaker 2: a surprise. I'm sure it's a double edged sword for
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  Speaker 2: all of us who are like, no, it's crowded enough,
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  Speaker 2: Please don't bring more people here. But the cool factor
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  Speaker 2: associated with having a top draft pick say no, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of want to be here. I want to be there.
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  Speaker 2: And then these announcements anyone who bothers to google and
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  Speaker 2: to look into well what are they building there? And
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  Speaker 2: seeing what they are literally and figuratively building here, it
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  Speaker 2: changes the future for professional sports at the very least,
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  Speaker 2: and really for sports in general. Right, if the NHL
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  Speaker 2: did not see what Ryan and Ashley Smith were doing
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  Speaker 2: with the Utah Mammoth and how they embraced if they
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  Speaker 2: came in as new owners of the Mammoth, and they
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  Speaker 2: could have, by the way, they could have brought them
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  Speaker 2: up from Arizona and done what the Portland owner is
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  Speaker 2: doing right now. And I'm just like, Yeah, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: nickel and dime everything. We're gonna you know that scene
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  Speaker 2: from Moneyball where David Justice is mad that he has
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  Speaker 2: to pay for soda in the locker room, We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do that. If that was the conversation, if that was
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  Speaker 2: the narrative coming out of the early early days of
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  Speaker 2: NHL Hockey landing in the state of Utah, guess what
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  Speaker 2: would not be happening The Winter Classic coming to Utah.
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  Speaker 2: No shot, No chance that you'd be celebrating in the
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  Speaker 2: second in the well, it'll be the third year. We
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  Speaker 2: got the announcement. In the second year, then you'd be
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  Speaker 2: celebrating in the third year of a franchise's existence, one
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  Speaker 2: of the premiere showcase events of that league. There's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: zero chance that if you were taking the Portland Trailblazer
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  Speaker 2: ownership approach of like, yeah, you know what, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: pinch my pennies as hard as I can. You're not
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  Speaker 2: getting rewarded by Gary Bettman in the NHL. The NBA
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  Speaker 2: is going to see this. The NHL is going to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: see this. I don't think Major League Baseball will care
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: because their flirtation is with a different ownership group. If
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I dared to dream, I'd say the NFL will see this.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: But they won't. They won't care. You Toe's too far
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: off their radar. James, Sometimes I feel like I'm shouting
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: into the void here. James Peterson is our producer, back
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: in our Broadway studios. Gorda Chias is also back in
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the Broadway studios. This is my last day on the road.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I'll be back in studio tomorrow. I look forward to that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: But this infrastructure being built and the I mean, you've
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: got an arena rebuilt, happening, You've got a number two pick,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You've got now a sports campus developing at your team
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: headquarters in Sandy? This is Is this the brightest still
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: plenty of uncertainty. Is this the brightest long term future
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: outlook that the Utah Jazz have had in the last
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: twenty five years.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I think, I mean, obviously it's all potential right now.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I think that you could make that argument. I I
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: don't want to really think of it that way yet,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: OC until we first know who the draft pick is
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: at number two or otherwise, and then see the team
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: actually play, because what once the once this group actually
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: plays and if they if they get off to a
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: really a really good start, I think at that point
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: it's fair to be like, oh, yeah, this this is
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: like the the brightest future outlook we've had in a
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: really long time. If if not ever up until this point,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I understand why you and maybe other
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: people are wanting to think that way or are thinking
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: that way, but I just it's it's pretty empty until
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: we actually know who who, the what players are coming
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: in and most importantly this draft pick, and then how
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: they actually look on the floor, because right now it's
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: we just don't know. There's so many there's so many unknowns.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: They could we they could get Darren Peterson, they could
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: trade up for ag Debonca, The Wizards could take Darren Peterson.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: AJ falls in into the Jazz's hands at two, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: then this team could end up not looking like they
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: mesh very well. It feels unlikely at that point, but
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: then we're like, okay, well the future is very dismal
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: at that point. So I'm not ready to quite go
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: all the way there yet, but it feels like it's
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: trending in that direction.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate the the governor chip that you like
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to put on. The optimism, uh, the little storm cloud
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: of James Peterson, some.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Storm cloud realism whatever.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Here's here's a quote from Keante George and one that look,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it's an employee of the company, so he's but this
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: is what the aim is, and it's a really it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if realistic game is right. What I say,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: it's an aim that there's an actual, concrete commitment to. Now,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: whether you can ever achieve it is always going to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: be a question, but the effort is very certainly there.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Ryan and Ashley Smith continue to create the best player
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: experience in the NBA. The player experience thing is not
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: something that we should just like, oh yeah, that's a
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: quote from a guy who has to say that maybe
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to some extent.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Right, but he is a player though, Like I don't
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: know that we just I don't know it's right to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: completely dismiss it as he's an employee of the company,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Like this is a guy who is a player at
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: like he hasn't played other places. Maybe more maybe this
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: would maybe become more meaningful if Kevin Love said it, you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Know, sure, absolutely, like you have like an elder statesman,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a guy who's been around the league. But the perception,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: perception is reality, right, And these guys talk to each
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: other and they're all represented by the same like twelve agents, right,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So word travels fast, and there are players out there
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: in the league who are enfranchises right now, who have
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: not been tanking for the last four years, who are
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: probably driving to work every day being like, gosh, I'm
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: so sick of this dump of a place. I mean,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I was there in the Bay Area during the very
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: beginning of the Warriors dynasty when they were still playing
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: at Oracle Arena, and that place was a dump. Like
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: getting to that place sucked right now, players dealt with it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: They would go to like this hole in the wall
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Mexican spot in Alameda after games because you know, they
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: valued the anonymity of going to this particular restaurant and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: that was a team that was right on the brink
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of being incredible, like being truly great, and that was
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, right, and there was just there
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: was a certain level of just like, we need a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: new arena. Guys, you got their need. There's improvements that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: are drastically needed here. Now. Part of that was an
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: atmosphere that was being cultivated by Mark Jackson, and he
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: was not the most like popular guy in his own
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: locker room, so that could have could have been part
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: part of it. But just the unfortunate reality of professional
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: athletes is they're pretty finicky, right, They're like race horses.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You need to have a lot of conditions line up
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to make them feel there's nothing to complain about a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: lot of these individuals, not all of them, but a
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: lot of these individuals have been identified from early adolescents
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: as a big deal and coddled through whatever experience and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: been given maybe too much comforts and their demands met
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: too readily and all that kind of thing. And it
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't breed the best character and culture sometimes, but it
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: does breed a certain level of expectation in players that
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: even in the NBA is not always met, and they
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: will find something to be bothered by and be bothered
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: about even when they're making twenty to fifty million dollars
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: per year, which is the going right now for good
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: players in the NBA, because that's just the nature of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the beast. So to hear kon George or really anyone else.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It could be Lowry, It could be Jaron Jackson Junior.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: It probably mean a little bit more if it were him.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: It could be anybody to say they're trying to create
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the best player experience in the NBA, even if the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: perception in the building is guys, they are trying to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: do the best they can for us, which is what
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you've heard over and over and over from the Utah
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Mammoth players who know what the other side of the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: coin looks like. Right, those guys are blown away by
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the treatment they've been getting in Salt Lake City, from
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the fan base, from the ownership group, from management helping
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: find the right schools, find the right neighborhoods, find the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: right homes, all that type of stuff. Like, of course,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: professional franchises are supposed to and want to do these
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: things for their players and want their players to come
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: away feeling valued, feeling like, hey, they're really trying to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: make this a great experience for me in addition to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: compensating me absurd amounts of money. They really are trying
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to make this perfect for us, Ryan and Ashley Smith.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They're gonna fall short in a lot of these these adventures.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna come up shy of the goal
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: in a lot of these things. But the efforts being there,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and the conversation amongst players and amongst dignitaries and amongst
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: people around the leagues saying, hey man, there, it's pretty
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: incredible what they're doing here. That carries so much more
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: weight than even a full arena does. Because I'll tell
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you this, when you're competing as an athlete, a lot
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of things can go away right when it's competition time,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: when the goal is right there in front of you,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: when there's a team arrival that you hate, when there's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a guy on the other side you want to beat, whatever, like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that's the easy part. The competition night, the fight, the game,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the contest. That's the part that takes the least amount
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: for you to get excited for, the least amount for
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you to get up for, doesn't require a lot to
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: get the adrenaline pumping now. It helps when the arena
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: is full and the Utah Jazz have done a good
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: job of that, and you tell Mammoth fans have done
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a good job of that. The hard part is finding
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: the commitment when you're in game number fifty five of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: an eighty two game season, feeling like you still want
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to show up for work, you want to go to
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: shoot around, you want to practice when you're a game.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're seven weeks into your ten week
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: training camp, that's when it's hard, and that's when this
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: stuff matters. That's when your work environment, the people you
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: work with, the perception or the actual commitment of resources
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and care to your success, that's when that stuff matters.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And that is a heck of a lot more important
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways than game night for some
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of these players, because game night is when they're gonna
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: automatically be excited and show up. For the Utah Jazz
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: to be successful, for the Utah Mamma to be successful,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: they need to grow between the competitions. They need to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: grow between the seasons, and this level of investment in
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: their future, in the facilities, in the community around them.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: That's it's meaningful. It's deliberate, and I think it's going
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: to be a great success. Good job Smith Entertainment Group
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and by extension, Inner Mountain Healthcare, even though my general
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: disposition towards massive healthcare conglomerates is one of skepticism and distrust.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: But still thanks for the great facility at Southtown. We'll
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: see what Gordon Chiesa thinks about this. He's going to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: join us for the next hour here on the Sean
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: o'connells show. We're just getting started on a Thursday. It's
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred and nine.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Pace out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Let's not get crazy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Stay for his list of the day My list today.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Here's oc with basketball sab on Gordy Chiaysa on the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell show.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Lucky enough to welcome Gordon Chiasa again for the next
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: fifty five or so minutes here on the Shan O'Connell Show. Gordy,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: welcome things.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I am doing well, Sewan, Thank you.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Gordy, I just spent twenty five minutes ranting about how
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: impressed I am that the Smith Entertainment Group continues to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: reinvest back in its own professional sports products. The announcement
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: yesterday that Mountain Health and SEG we're partnering on a
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: sports performance facility that is going to be adjacent to,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: physically attached to the Utah Mammoth and Utah Jazz practice
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: facilities down at Southtown and Sandy. And look, I know
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that every team in every league tries to do right
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: by their players on some level, but it feels like
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: this deep investment, this extra concerted efforts by the Utah
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Jazz ownership group is being noticed around the league and
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: most importantly by players.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, very much, and so we'll see that as the
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: fruition of it when it's time for trades and freegency.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: You're right, the players do talk, especially in the off season,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: and most of them have the same agents as far
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: as they do as ten to fifteen agencies that the
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: players use as far as the representation, So it does matter.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: It's important to have world class facilities and then use
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: it as far as advantageously. Has a position themselves right
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: now to do that tend full, So it's impressive. I'm
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: glad for the players. I'm glad for the organization too.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: In the last couple of days since we last spoke,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the conversation continues to develop around the top picks in
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the upcoming NBA draft. AJ Devonsa's you know, not emphatic,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: but at least public desire to maybe remain in Utah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Less conversation around here, at least around whether or not
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson has any thoughts on the state on playing
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: for an organization like the Utah Jazz whatever. But there
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was reports out there that AJ has made it known
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: that he kind of wishes to stay in Utah. But
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: there was also a secondary report in there that he
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and his camp didn't want to play the game of
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: like trying to force his way into any certain spot. Now,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I'm trying not to get overly emotionally invested in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: outcome here, because I think that you have great players
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: at the top of this draft either way. But how
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: do NBA teams interpret, you know, that messaging. How are
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: especially the Washington Wizards going to handle like a all right, Well,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: this kid has said he wants to stay where his
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: family's at and his family moved to Utah pretty recently
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: with them, and like will they even take note of it?
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: No, not at all. Sometimes we have abnesia. That was
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: Ace Belly last year when he didn't want to come
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: to Utah, said his agent, and so suddenly he comes
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: to Utah and guess why he loves it. And so
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Aja's exact same way as far as I'm assuming the Wizards.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Remember now, the general manager of the Washington Wizards, Will Dawkins,
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: was fifteen years with the Olkahima City Thunder and he's
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: a Bostonian, which meaning Massachusetts, and so is AJ Debantser
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: from New England. So he's known his people for the
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: lass literally the last eight years or so with the
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: AJ's people, and so you can't let any of the
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: other noise. Remember now, also is that this is this
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: season of false information. Do you realize that, Sean, that
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: everybody is talking about certain things to create a noise level,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: and we have to decipher what is true and not
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: what it's not true. And that's all part of getting
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: the intel. The Jazz will spend a whole bunch of
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: time intel on Aj of de Bans and also on
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: the other picks, especially Darren Peterson and they'll make the
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: right pick, and so will the Washington Wizards, so it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Wizards one Jazz too. Then after that things fall into place.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: All these top flight prospects participating in the NBA scouting Combine,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And we talked about this the other day. You have
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: you watched any of the tape? You have you been
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: paying attention? Have you? Are you scouting these guys yourself
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: forty as they go through in front of go through
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: these workouts in front of the front offices of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: teams drafting in this upcoming draft.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very much, absolutely, yes, I do.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: I'm watching the combine, especially to pick up the organized games.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: The five on five however, is that the combine is
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: for the measurements and to exchange as far as medical
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: information to each team, and then an interview as far
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: as some of the players you might have talked to,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: and then those exact same players will fly to certain
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: cities for a second or third workout and interview also
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: with either ownership level or again if there's any questions
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: where they had in the Chicago pre draft camp, they'll
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: get it on their home turf as far as quote
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: in their building and so it's all. It's all the
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: gathering process of getting intel. And the most important thing
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: though is how the players played with with their college team,
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: also their European teams versus just playing five on five
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: in the in the combine. So it's it's important, but
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: not but I would judge. I judge people based on
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: what they do in the regular season. Also showing when
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: I was director of Pro Personnel for the Memphis Grizzlies,
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: I used to always try to watch guys I'm looking
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: at for road games. See you though it's road games,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: but that's when you really see people what they can
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: do as far as on the road and the hostile environment.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: So it's a process and they'll do the due diligence.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: And the most important thing, though is how you feel
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: about a player, how we how we performed with this team,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: usually under adverse condition, which.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Is good at the NFL scout and combine. Like, guys
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: can certainly grab attention by performing well in all those measurables,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: but also you can disqualify yourself in the eyes of teams,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: especially if you run slow, right, if you have a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: bad forty or your your short shuttle is incredibly bad.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Is there a test that NBA teams are not looking
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: at just to say, hey, how do you leap off
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the page or how impressive can you be? But like
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that is their red flag assessment as well.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: No, I mean again, the verticality and the standing jumps important,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: but usually is that it's based on effort too. I mean,
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: so the answer is no, it's not as cut and dry. Also,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: your point is absolutely well taken. Where don't talk yourself
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: out of player that you like or don't fall in
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: love with so and so because of his unbelievable length,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Because what happens a lot of times is that when Sean,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: here's the question to you, We're all watching these intense playoffs,
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Whi's been absolutely sensational. When's the last time you thought
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: that Jellen Brunson had short arms son?
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: What's the last time you know?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: What's funny is I remember when the Knicks took a
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: big swing to acquire Jalen Brunson and we're roundly criticized
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: for it. And I think I probably was among those
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: who were just like, this doesn't make any sense. Why
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: are they why do they care so much about getting
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: this guy in particular? And anyone who expressed that feels
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: pretty dumb now, oh very much.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: So Again this is this involves basketball, It involves team play,
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: it involves toughness, the nuance of playing, uh do you
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: shoot forward? Do you shoot backwards? As far as the
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: mental focus of it, and it's all part of it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: And again is that the the the teams that usually
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: win Sewan consistently, they get it right the majority of
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: the times. So last year in Jazz basketball, they got
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: it right absolutely on Ace Balley they got it right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: Also they got it right on Sensible and also on
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Philapowski and also count de George and a Collier, those
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: guys they got it right on. And Cody Williams is
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: still a working progress. And so the Jazz have hit
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: on them and now they got to try to do
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: this as far as a thing called winning and their
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: position to do that certainly right now as we speak.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: And so the better teams get it right. I just
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: described the thunder. And then there's certain guys shown that
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: you and I talked about for the last years.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Is that. Oh, by the way, they weren't invited to
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: the draft party. What's the reason.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: Why last night Max shrus was undrafted from the Paul
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: So you can't say he didn't play in the big leagues.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: I think it's called the Big East, all right. Max
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: Shrew's undrafted gets twenty points, six of eight from threes,
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: and he's making it hard on Kate Cunningham, who played
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: great also, but he made Kate at the end of
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: the game not be be slightly less effective in the
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: overtime for the Calves to win an absolutely incredible, intense game.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: The learning point about that is that there's guys also
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: will fall through the cracks in the draft. You mentioned
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: the other day we talked to guys in drafted. You
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: told me that Kurt Wanna, who's it was the MVP
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: of the Super Bowl, wasn't drafted. So it happens is
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: that people get it wrong and other players they get
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: so overlooked or over glamorized that that's why they're either
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: successful or not successful in the NBA professional sports.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: It's interesting, all right.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: We're gonna stay on clock here because we have Gordy
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: for the next Like I said, still forty five minutes,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: but so much to get to. We now have a
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: number on the increase in foul calls during these NBA playoffs.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Steve Kerr has re signed with the Warriors, Moury is
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: out with the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and of course
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: actual playoff games to discuss as well. We're just getting
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: started with Gordy, so stick around. It's the Shot o'connells
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• 43:01
  Speaker 1: YouTube of a Sean O'Connell show for the Murdoch Chevrolet
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Studio ESPN seven hundred and ninety two to one half N.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Gordy Cheese is
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: here with us as he is on Thursdays, talking all
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: things NBA basketball, and here in the hot lunch. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: want to ask Cordy the Steve Kerr extension in Golden State.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Does it make sense given where the franchise is at
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: with you know, a transitional period coming when Draymond and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Steph and the Elder Statesman either move on or retire.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it does make sense. Absolutely.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: He is a huge factor why they're winning, besides the
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: greatness of Steph Curry, and Steph has on his contract
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: two years left, and I think that that's part of it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: You know, they lost, We saw that the visual when
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: they lost in the when they lost it recently they
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: all hung they all hung hung together at half court
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: and had a hug and that was emotional.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: But he came.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: He's coming back. It's coming back to try to do
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: it over again. The team is absolutely they need uh,
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: they need better players. As far as they're aging. He's
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: the worst thing you could ever have. Have a high
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: payroll in aging players. That's the worst thnaire in any sport.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: And they do have that though right now. But at
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: the ownership level wants them to stay together. They're going
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: to try to tweak it some. They may be over
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: achieved the next two years, so he's going to be there.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: He'll lead them very similar to the great Popovich, where
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: at the end of his career they weren't competitive the Spurs.
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: Then he got wem Byamba and they're hoping to get
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: someone like that eventually in their draft future out they're
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: going to try to just remain quase competitive. So it
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: does make sense for them, and they probably felt also
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: that they Step I'm sure behind closed doors said to
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: them that I prefer to play with Steve Kerr than
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: someone else's to come in here, which I understand.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: So Kerr is still in in Philadelphia, Darryl Moury out
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: as president of basketball operations. They're going to keep their coach,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Nick Nurse on. What do you think of this move.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: Had to be done absolutely really Again, the Sixers overachieved
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: the way they played. They went forty five games last
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: year and Joel b was never there the whole season
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: because of injuries historically and also Paul George with the
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: twenty five game suspension, and so they overachieved and so
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: their their roster again it's till I call it. We
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: call it court tilt. Court tilt is when you have
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: you don't have either not enough scoring or not enough
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: defensive players, and you'd hope that the same player would
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: do both. That he's really strong on offense and also
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: equally adept on defense. However, that's very rare. Now he
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: ext those players to be two way performance and come
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: playoff time. But in the regular season it was a
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: court tilt. So they moved on from from the from
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: the general manager, and it's again the roster needs upheaval.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: The problem is that Joel Lumbiid. You love his talent,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: but he hasn't been there as far as being reliable,
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: and that sets them back as far as the franchise
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: and it's Max. He's great, and he's he's the he's
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: the face that they go forward right now. And also Edgecombe,
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: who's the third pick of the draft last year. But
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: you see with Edgecombe, this is a man's league, the NBA,
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: including the playoffs. So in the playoff basketball Edgecombe, who's
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: major young talent at age twenty years old, he can't
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: believe how physical the playoffs were and he struggled in
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: every in this series. And that's what happens to young players.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: They don't realize it until it goes on. So they
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: need to change there. With general manager, it's going to happen,
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: and I'm all for it.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: What's the most important trait that owners and teams are
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: looking for now with their front office guys, with general
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: manager's team presidents? You know that we've seen now in
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: college sports? How like, if you're firing an athletic director
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: from that you hired a few years back, his replacement
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: or her replacement might be someone who's totally different, who
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: has a completely different skill set, who is really good at,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, revenue generation now and athletics acumen
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: might be even an afterthought Obviously, the NBA hasn't gone
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: through the same level of changing up people as college
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: sports have, but there's always growth. So in a new
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: era of the NBA, what is the most important trait
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: for a GM to.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: Have to see the big picture on a daily basis?
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: Meaning this is that you hire the coach and empower him,
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: and that you have to work in synergy together where
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: you don't overpay dramatically on role players. And that's the
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: catcher I'm using dramatically in other words, where if a
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: guy makes eight million dollars, he plays the same whether
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: he makes twenty eight million. So you can't overpay on
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: those guys. A whole bunch of people like that because
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: then the roster when his playoff team in playoffs, a
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: thing happens to every team, organization, management, ownership level. You
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: either get exposure or you get exposed. Think about his words,
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: Sean exposure or exposed. And with the learning point about
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: that is that it starts on a roster construction. Did
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: you overpay on so and so for example, right now
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: it sounds weird, say seventy six ers Joeln beats at
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: ALLSTO when he's healthy, but he's not reliable so he
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: makes fifty five million dollars a year, and so the
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: backup Andre Drummond, who rebounds in games and hustles, makes
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: five million. So in the sixth point of view, they
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: get more bang for the buck at five million for
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: Andre Drumming they do with with MBID at fifty five million.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: And that'd be a classic example. Now, of course, you
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: don't know that when you give him the money, meaning Embid,
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: because he's a he's an All Star player and an
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: MVP winner, I get it, but he's unreliable. And so
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: what you've got to do is that in that off season,
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: in those dog days of early July, when everybody's giddy
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: about free agency and via trades, you've got to understand
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: about what is the player worth economically towards winning. Again,
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: the salary cap then is the first apron, then is
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: the second apron and is actually punitive. And so again
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: a thing called besides this, Sean, you've been an athlete,
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: is that chemistry in the locker room, on the team
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: bu on the airplane above sea level thirty five thousand
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: feet is absolutely critical.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Sean.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: These four teams, let these strict party, these teams in
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: the playoffs, do you think most of these teams have
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: good chemistry in the playoffs?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And you've got to have at least some level of
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: good chemistry to make it this far.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, correct answer is absolutely yes, have it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: In the NFL, the teams that go deep into playoff
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: consistently besides having great quarterback play, did you think they
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: have chemistry?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about this, Gordia. I mean, football is
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: probably the ultimate team game. Absolutely, We've seen it in
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: the NFL, even more in college football, where there's just
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: this incredible collection of individual talents that never amount to anything.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: You know, Texas A and M spent the most on
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a recruiting roster a few years back, didn't win anything
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: with it. And there's people close to those situations that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: was point toward lack of chemistry, lack of cohesiveness, bad communication,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: et cetera very much.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: You described there divas so a talented diva meaning where
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: he or she where there really are ultra talented as
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: far as their skills, but they.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: Don't uplift the group around them.
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: Because there's an element of resentment because of their personality.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: And again, what you want to try to do is
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: when you draft people is that you draft talent. That's
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: number one. There's nothing replaces talent. But again it's that
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: most talented player. Now often to get where it gets
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: a little bit gray area. Oh, by the way, the
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: guy's nineteen twenty years old, he's immature because of life experiences.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Yes he is, he's immature. I get it, okay, But
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: what's his values? Who's his people around him? Who's going
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: to guide him as far as some tough moments which
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: everybody goes through in any business, especially in sports, because
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: the wayans sports or by the way, the other guy's
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: are good. Also who you play against. Remember, everybody is
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: saying in this market about their draft picks. The other
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: twenty nine teams are saying the exact same thing about
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: their draft picks, how they're going to turn it around
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: or get better. And that's the beauty of it that
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: that you have to go and compete, and so general
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: managers and executive vice presidents they've got to be able
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: to get the right as far as the salary cap
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: and draft. Historically, the rogue the correct player. And the
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: last point about that is that is the star players
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: have to be able to what bring the group together.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: The star players and that's why it's so important. You've
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: seen that thunder with Shay Jillis Alexander after every time
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: he's he's on the camera as far as the player
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: of the game, all all these teams are around him,
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: and likewise, when it's someone else's termy player of the
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: game chased their churn.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: For the guy.
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: Nikobocca's also this year it wasn't like this, but it
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: is right now when those guys get on camera. That
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: when you when you're really a great player, you're really
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: happy for the teammates doing well. It's not about you.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: It's about even though your ultra talenty yourself and you
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: have some great performances, you're happy for your teammates who
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: become your flawmates during games about their success. That's called chemistry.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: There's nothing like it, and it's almost unexplainable until you
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: see in front of you how it is. It's uplifting
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: or it's what downtrodden.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Gordy. Before we take a break, how many times did
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: you see in your coaching career, in all your years
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: around the NBA, somebody kind of undevified themselves. Maybe a
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: really talented player that came in thinking wrong, talking wrong,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: acting wrong. But whether it was a coaching staff or
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: personal development or a veteran taking them under their wing,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: how many times did you see someone break out of
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: those bad diva habits.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: It happens.
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: So example, I didn't coach them, but my instincts tell
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: me that, like the Mammy heat right now, when those
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: guys go to say Tyler Herro type people, when they
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: get to the NBA, it's a swagger and then as
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: they mature, they get better at it as far as
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: their game. So he'd be a classic example of it
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: as far as developing yourself both on the court and
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: off the court with your personality and so it's all
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: part of being a teammate and it's an evolution of
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: a player as far as how here's the question is
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: always philosophically, how can I'm a player? I have tremendous talent.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: How can I showcase it? And when I showcase it,
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: can I add to the group and bring along other
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: teammates that might need my ultra talent abilities to help
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: them improve themselves? And when I do that, we win
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: as a group. And then I articulate that by my
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: actions and I praise them as a leader in any
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: a leader in the office or in any business or
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: on a team. Your job is a b the best
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: out of people that are invisible in other words, that
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: eleven twelfth man who practices very well, and so he's
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: in a playoff game.
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: He and he a rookie.
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: Like so last night a Dennis Jenkins, undrafted from Saint John's.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: He starts in the game, he gets eighteen points and
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: so now the coaching staff and the star player Kay Cunningham,
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: they should be praising Jenkins about his performance. And that's
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: when you're really a leader. And that's what makes the
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: beauty of sports Sewan. There's nothing like it in a
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: team sport, when everybody shares in the winning atmosphere.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: All Right, Gordy is still hanging out with us for
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: a little while. We haven't even we haven't gotten to
• 55:40
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• 56:20
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Gordy chias who's hanging out with us for
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a little while longer. He's talking some playoff basketball. Last night,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: just one game in the NBA playoffs, Cleveland wins in
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: overtime over Detroit, takes a three to two series lead.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: James Harden with a strong game thirty points, eight rebound,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: six assists. Kade Cunningham in the losing effort thirty nine points,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: seven rebounds, nine assists, but not enough support for the
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: All Star from Detroit, Gordy. What do we learn about
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: this series? In the overtime Game five.
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: That the Calves responded that they didn't win a road
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: game in any series till last night, and they did
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: on the road. So now Game six is in Cleveland
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: tomorrow Friday night on a Prime video. We learned from
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: that is that as a group they were ready to
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: play in overtime. So they were down fifteen points in
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: the first half, they fought back. Detroit also an excellent
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: team with the best record in Eastern Conference, they also
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: fought hard, and then in the overtime Donovan Mitchell who struggled,
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: Remember he scored forty three points the game before and
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: including thirty nine in the second in the second half
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: last last night, he struggled to start the game. But
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: at the fourth quarter and overtime he was Donovan Mitchell,
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: where he made so many clutch baskets, including that classic
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: gonna be short showing that classic step back side three
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: that really got them going.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: And then the balls stolen and Donald got the ball
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: on the run and laid it up right now. So
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: it was a really a total team effort. Donod Mitchell
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: finished right now with twenty one points and three assists,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: and I call him the huge must score up baskets
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: in the overtime battle. Max Shruz mentioned earlier a twenty
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: points sixth rate from threes, did a good job attempting
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: to guard Kay Cunningham, who's a bully scorer and highly skilled.
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: It was a really tremendous win. So now the Pistons
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: it's there, it's there. We'll say right now, Game six
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: on the road. Can they do what the haves have
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: done last night? And can he can he get a
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: Game seven in Detroit on Sunday? It should be fantastic.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: What does your gut tell you is gonna happen?
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be Game six Cavaliers. Since then
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: we're gonna see the Calves, the Calves going to the
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: garden to play against the Knickerbockers, and TV would want that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: Donvan Mitchell had never been out of the second round
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: in his career, never as good as don Mitchells and
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: Donovan Mitchell win the old time great playoff performance. He's
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: having like twenty seven point eight points per game for
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: his career in the playoffs, and that is hard to do.
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: Let's put it in context. Cal Malone average twenty five
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: point one points per game in the playoffs his career
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: with ten point two rebounds. Donovan's way beyond that. And
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: also in fantasy the Donovan he he's the main focal
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: point when he played for the Jazz Basketball in the
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: playoffs and now with the Cavaliers. So Donovan is really good.
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: I'm happy for him. I hope he gets to the
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: conference finals and he goes back to New York. As
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: far as trying to take on the Knickerbockers, it should
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: be a great series if that. If doesn't happen, but
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Sewan only second tomorrow night. Also the Timberwolves and the Spurs.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: Spurs up three to two, and again the games will
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: be in the Twin City tomorrow night. That's a doubleheader
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: on Prime Video and Anthony Edwards and that crew, they'll
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: be ready to try to what to try to tie
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, on the break of elimination at least at home though,
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  Speaker 2: can in Minnesota Timberwolves keep themselves alive in this one.
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  Speaker 6: Yes they can, but they need Julius Randall. He's been
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: struggling the whole series. He's only shooting thirty six point
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  Speaker 6: sixty percent from the field and twenty one percent from threes,
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  Speaker 6: and so they needed to be the second score. Anthony
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  Speaker 6: Edwards been sensational if the injury he came back, he's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: ready to roll. He's he got that swagger and he's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: absolutely very good and shown before he mentioned. You mentioned
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: to me earlier about the question was there anybody that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: I know or I've seen recently really mature some besides
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: Tyler Herro, I left out Anthony Edwards.
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  Speaker 5: That's him. The last example.
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  Speaker 6: The more I thought about it is that as far
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: as he comes into the league, young fella, it's all
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: about him. To his credit, now it's all about his team,
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  Speaker 6: even though he's a great, tremendous talent and he's the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: focal point of the group and they give him a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: lot of credit for doing it. Edwards plays well. They
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  Speaker 6: need Julius Randall. They need Jade McDaniels, who had a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: tremendous series against the Nuggets in the first round. He's struggling,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: only shooting thirty percent from threes. Let's add to this,
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  Speaker 6: do you realize everyone that in playoff basketball, defense does rule.
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  Speaker 5: So the Wolves are.
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  Speaker 6: Trying to get a tie series at three to three.
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  Speaker 6: They're shooting so far in this series forty percent from
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  Speaker 6: the field and thirty three percent from threes, and from
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: the foul line seventy two percent. Some of it's what
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: the lack of ball movement, and most of us though,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: is the defense by the Spurs led by Victor wen Biamber.
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  Speaker 6: So that so see Randall's struggling, and part of it
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  Speaker 6: because he most times he bullies people in the lane.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: He can't bully because when Byam is there ready to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: block his shut And that's the singles factor of what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: I always appreciate Rudy Gobert's willingness to put himself on
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  Speaker 2: the wrong end of a highlight because he's gonna give
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  Speaker 2: you effort no matter what. And well, sometimes when you
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: slow that stuff down, you know, he over commits to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: trying to get in front of somebody and then there's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: a spin move and he's left lost. Or you know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: we've seen to get posterized plenty of times because he's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: not gonna let you get to the basket without trying
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  Speaker 2: to put a hand up. And I respect that about Rudy.
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  Speaker 2: Victor wembin Yama has the ability to make a lot
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: of people look really silly. He's made Rudy Gobert look
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit silly a couple of times in this series.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: What is the key for somebody who's got the size
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: like Rudy does to defend Victor wembin Yama. But the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: young man is faster, right, yeah, very much. When you're
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: coaching Rudy Gobert, you have all the tools except the quickness.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: What is the key to closing that gap? It's like shots,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: we're committing to your movement, like give me, give me
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: the like pretend where practice and tell me how you
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: try to get him the body of Victor women Yama.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 6: The first thing is just like in the NFL, is
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: showing the cushion where you give a slight cushions we
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: call press up to the to U Victor wen beyonda
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  Speaker 6: and then go arm's length and your sole purpose right now,
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  Speaker 6: which is just try to stay in front of him.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: And then when he comes to a semi jump stock,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: that's when you put numbers on numbers. So first you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: play a cushion as far as your length and move
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: your feet to best your ability. When he either the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: shooting motion or he jump stops or instinctively, then go
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: numbers on numbers. We call a body on body, bone
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: on bone. And then less part about that is be
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: the second jumper. We call it stay up, stay down,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: Do not go for the first head and shoulder fake,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: stay in your stay, stay on the ground, and then
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: when he jumps, you jump.
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  Speaker 5: It's discipline.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Like any sport, the ability to have technique technique is everything.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: Whether your NFL cornerback or safety, whether your NFL alignment,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: you need technique and leverage, and basketball is exact same thing.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Moving your feet, leverage and technique helps you stay in
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: the league and not being foul trouble. You mentioned for
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: about the NBA call a lot more fouls one you're
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: more aggressive in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: I get it.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: What's happening is that the velocity of the game is
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: so much faster that the players, when they're in foul trouble,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: they're being physical with roughness versus being physical with physicality.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: You see, it's that fine imaginary line where if you
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: boast someone in the head, it's a foul. Or you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: push someone off with your hands, it's a foul and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: they're calling it and they should. And that's the why.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: The ability for teams to be physical without being rough,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: that's that that's incredible for players to do it. Speaking
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: of Rudy Gobert, he has played well for the TI Wolves,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: But the CounterPunch right now is Victim went BEYONMBA. Here's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: some quick stats of Wen beyonber this in this series,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: averaging twenty points per game, thirteen point per rebounds, four
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  Speaker 6: point four blocks, with outrageous shooting from the field fifty
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  Speaker 6: point seven percent, but sean for three point range twenty
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  Speaker 6: six point nine. He's seven for twenty six. So that
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  Speaker 6: tells me if I'm Win Beyond with his teammates, I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: want to get him more on the move instead of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: him just being outside. As far as taking that, let's
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: dare him to shoot a three point shot. If I'm
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: if I'm the Spurs and his teammates still in helping
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: those guys and Stephen Cassel, I'm saying to a to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: a Victor Wen Beyond, but we're gonna pass you.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta cut more.
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  Speaker 2: The official number is eleven percent, eleven percent increase in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: foul per game in these playoffs over the regular season.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: And I think you know, you can look at that
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  Speaker 2: and you can say, oh, why would you eleven percent more?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: But the game might be twenty five percent rougher or
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent more physical, and that would mean only
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: an eleven percent increase in fouls for actually letting the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: guys plays that how do you interpret that number? Eleven percent?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely Sean Well said, they're letting the guys play. Here's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: the worst feeling in the world either fan, teammate ownership level,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: and most of all showing our TV partners if you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: know what I mean, because they rule everything. Just think
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: of Victor m beyond but getting unbelievable two quick fouls
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: tomorrow night on two cheap calls. It sets back to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: the whole franchise. It sets back the mood of the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: game because suddenly he's on the bench for let'll say,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: nine minutes in the first half before entering back in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: the second quarter. And the game is not just yet,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: but it affects. It affects the flow of the game.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: That's why. So the refs understand that it's not They
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: don't tell them to do that, but they want to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: make sure that the star players, within reason, stay on
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: the court. Sean, you can call a foul on every
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: possession in most playoff games. Absolutely, you could, no doubt, Sean,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: you can call in the NFL. So ifvery won't correct me,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: you could call a holding holding on alignment on hour
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: was every play?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could? You could.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: You really wanted to write you could, because why it's discrepancy.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: It's interpretation. Most referees, I call them interpreters of chief
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: of what's going on. And that's how you The NBA
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: allows much more physicality. That's why when your favorite team
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: you say we're gonna be good next year, visualize will
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: a lot of guys be able to be physical within
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: the game rules?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: And now young young players can they be able to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: withstand the physicality of scoring through through a tenacity of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: the defense. There's nothing like it. The playoffs. The playoffs
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: are man's league. It's not for young fellas.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: It's for men.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Gordy, cheez it for another minute or two here, Gordion.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: It's a little anti climactic now, but Adam Silver rolled
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: out the league's anti tanking proposal, the three to two
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: one that was already reported on a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and like the initial reports got it right. Well, now
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: the league has acknowledged this is what we're going to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: try to do, and it seems like there's plenty of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: support for it. Is this going to be the official
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: NBA Draft lottery process moving forward?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: Yes, be voted on May twenty sixth by the Border Governance,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: which is the owners. So the answer is yes, they've
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: got to do something about it. And it's a two
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: year trial, the twenty seven draft through twenty nine, it
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: says me, two years, and they might tweak it again.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: But you can't have literally ten teams out of thirty
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: to one thirty league really not playing to win philosophically,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: you can't do that the integrity Again, am not being naive,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: I'm not absolutely not, but it's it's a bad product
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: for doing that right now. So let's see how this
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: plays out. I am all for it, Sean. You know
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: I mentioned all the time if I'm a player, I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: just want to play. I don't understand why if someone
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: says to me, we don't want you to play tonight, Really,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: why not?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: I want to play.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: I'm simplifying the narrative by saying this, But when you're
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: an athlete, you want and you're in your prime especially,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: you want to be able to perform to help your
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: team be successful.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: How big is it for the New York Micks to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: get oh g Annobi back.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: It's bog. He is a strained hamstring. He's playing tremendous.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: He's making me three point shot. He's a two way performer.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: They need him, absolutely, they need him. So for example,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: just say if if the Cavs do win, just from
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: the narrative, so suddenly they're playing and Obi against the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: against the Cavaliers and og and an Obi, well, dis simmon,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: right now, he'll be trying to right now, either body
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: up on Donovan Mitchell for a length factor where he's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: about six six sixty seven to try to slow him down,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: or body up on James Harden or try to beat
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: to the spot Evan Mobley when he has the size
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: the differential Muhammed at sixty seven and mobile basically six eleven.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: So so he he's a.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Versatile defender that gives them a pop offensively but the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: but but on the other side of the ball, he's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: really a terror that he understands how to play defense,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: and he's willing right now they need him.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: My list today, Sean is about assist. And I know
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: right now, Sean, you know this, but I'm making sure
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: that James Peterson, our colleague, knows this.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: What's an assist.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: An assist is a passer delivering the last pass leading
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: directly to a field goal. That's only if the scoring
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: player's basket is an immediate finished motion, So you pass
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: the ball the guy can take one bound. Some of
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: the time it was directly motion of getting it. The
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: list today is the all time Korea Playoff leaders and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: assist I cut it off at ten all time assists.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: Number ten Steve Nash one thousand and sixty one, Number nine,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: Larry Bird one thousand and sixty two, Number eight, Region
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: Rondo one thousand and one thirty six, Number seven, that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: Frenchman Tony Parker one thousand and one forty three, Number six,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: James Harden one thousand, two hundred and two, Number five,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: Chris Paul one thousand, two hundred and thirty three, Number four,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: Jason Kidd one thousand, two hundred and sixty three, Number
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: three John Stockton one thousand, eight hundred and thirty nine,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: which comes to ten point one assists per game his
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: career in the playoffs. Number two Lebron James of all
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: time two thousand and one sixty eight and the number
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: one passer of all time delivering the rock is Magic
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: Johnson two thousand, three hundred and forty six assists, which
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: comes to amazing twelve point three assists per game first career. Lastly,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: what about Nikolai Jokic. Our instincts tell us that he's
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: number thirty one right now all time. Think about he's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: seven foot guy. He's thirty one all time and a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: list as career playoff leaders. He could be someday in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: the top ten with Nikola Jokic. The way he passed
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: the ball for a big Thus, that's my left list
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: of the day. Sean, I call this. When you passed
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: the ball, you are you passed the ball in the game.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: You are passing the sugar. Sean and Sean, I know Sean,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: you love sugar. Sean, I know you.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Do love I love sugar way too much. Cordy, non
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: basketball question for you. We've been I've been obsessing about
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: the Soccer World Cup that's coming in less than a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: month now, and the ticket prices, the travel costs, the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: hotel costs, everything's been crazy, but seems like maybe it's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: bouncing back because of some fan resistance. Have you been
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: to a World Cup soccer game in your long and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: illustrious career of being a sports insider.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: No, I've not, but I've been to a game where
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: sky Pele played for Brazil back in nineteen seventy seven
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: at the meadow Lens. It was the most amazing thing,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: sean like these. Again, I'm not a soccer officiato, but
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: to the game with some friends of mine that were,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: you know, into soccer. It was happening, amazing. So I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: saw one of the greatest players of all time play
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: with these uh you know, ball tricks, amazing skill level.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: It was incredible, all right. Add to that sewing this
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: some research, you know. I remember, I'm crazy New York
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: and New Jersey eight. So a lot of my friends
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: are are soccer fans. They're going to go that. So
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: they adjusted that. Recently, it was one hundred of dollars
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: to go from New York City by bus to the Meadowlands.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: Now it's one oh five now, so showing they cut
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: off forty five hours as far as the rate of
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: doing it, and a regular day showing it would cost
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: twelve dollars and ninety cents to do that. So it
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: went from one went from twelve ninety to one fifty.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: Now a one oh five round trip. Now this is
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: one day. That's not the whole ticket, that's his round
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: trip that day.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: When you were able to watch Pele in person as
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: a non non soccer guy, did you did it look different?
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: You know, because we watch when you watch Michael Jordan
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: or Kobe Bryant and Lebron James play basketball, it looks
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit different than everyone else doing it. Was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: it like that when you watch Panti?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah? It was magical. The answer is yes, absolutely.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: I wasn't sure I was watching, but I knew that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: this guy was once in a lifetime and it was amazing.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: And you know, again, the fans, the nationalism of each
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: country is brings out just like the Olympics, Sean, it
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: brings out everything can match Olympics someday, Sean. In twenty
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: twenty eight in La when Victor wemb Beyond and that crew,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: the French guys versus the USA, possibly in the gold
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: medal game.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: What it might be like in.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Basketball, it's gonna be amazing. And when they come, when
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics come back to Salt Lake City and
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: we've got a couple of Utah Mammoth guys skating, yes,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Olympic hockey, it's gonna be awesome.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: Yes, Sean.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: Right now, you're in LA right now, and you're missed
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: here in Salt Lake City.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited to come back. This is not my
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: type of town, if you know what I mean.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, you don't like a Hollywood type people, you know.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I just it's fine, it's lovely, the weather's great. But uh,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: turns out I'm a mountain guy.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: You know, Yes you are. You're a mountain guy. And
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: uh also you're a jungle guy. And you're on playoff basketball.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: Sean. It's the Lord of the Jungle.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: That's I'm not good at basketball, but maybe I could
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: be good at playoff basketball. That's all. That's all I need, Gordy.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: Sean, it's absolutely possible. Lord of the Jungle. And I know, Sean,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: you'd love to uh roar and move on.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: That's Gordy Chias, our resident NBA insider joins us every
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: single week here on the Sean O'Connell Show. We love
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: to have him enjoy these playoff games tomorrow night, Gordy,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: we'll talk soon. Thanks Sean, peace out great stuff. As
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: always from Gordon, we'll take a break. We move on
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: to golf. John Wright is going to join US golf
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Insider PGA Tour PGA Championship in its first round play
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: today and uh, you know what, I found a new
• 1:17:14
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  Speaker 2: The Edmonton Oilers obviously disappointing season for them. Connor McDavid
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  Speaker 2: played hurt in the playoffs. Leon Dryside was hurt for
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  Speaker 2: a good chunk of the season before the playoffs came back,
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  Speaker 2: but an early exit for Edmonton and they head in October,
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  Speaker 2: Edmonton extended their coach Chris Knoblock for three years. You
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  Speaker 2: got a three year extension after, of course, coaching his
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  Speaker 2: his first three seasons. The downside of giving somebody an
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  Speaker 2: extension mid season is that you might want to fire
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: them at the end of the season, and that's exactly
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: what the Edmonton Oilers did. After two Stanley Cup up
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: finals runs, they are now looking for their tenth coach
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: in the last fifteen years. Yikes. And of course they're
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: on the hook to pay coach nab Block for the
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  Speaker 2: three year extension that technically had not even kicked in yet.
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  Speaker 2: That's just how high the pressure is. October. Your team says,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, you've done some really really nice things
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  Speaker 2: for you these last couple of seasons. You got us
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  Speaker 2: all the way to the brink of a championship, but
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: not over the hump. Well, not good enough anymore, guys.
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  Speaker 2: It's May six and a half months ago. This man
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: was giving or was given an extension on his contract.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Conor McDavid once again the league in goal scoring. Leon
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Drysidel continues to be an elite level sidekick, but bad defense,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: bad goaltending, and the organization decided, you know what, we
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: think it's your fault, coach, no block. Chris Nablock is
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: out after a pair of Stanley Cup final appearances and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: a three year extension that does not actually officially begin
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: for two more months. He has been five. That's tough
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: to swallow. This is it's kind of like, I mean
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: about the exact same thing, because the Toronto Raptors didn't
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: they fired the same coach who won Coach of the Year.
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  Speaker 2: But the organization, of course doesn't doesn't decide who the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: coach of the year is. In the NBA, the oilers
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  Speaker 2: telling someone, yeah, we like you, We're going to extend you,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: and then fire you before the extension even kicks in.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how much of this, I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 2: certain amount of desperation felt right now with Connor McDavid's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: contract running out, and a lot of people wondering, and
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  Speaker 2: even maybe him sort of casually expressing or subtly expressing
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  Speaker 2: that you know, you got to start this now. We
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  Speaker 2: got to get better quickly. We got to have things
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  Speaker 2: happen in the right way sooner than later in Edmonton,
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  Speaker 2: or I'm going to be out of here. Conor McDavid,
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  Speaker 2: Leon Drivesidel just plugged a good goaltender in there and
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  Speaker 2: see what happens. But Chris Nablock won't be the one
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  Speaker 2: to do it because he got fired the same year
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  Speaker 2: that he was given a contract extension. And that, ladies
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  Speaker 2: and gentlemen, is a rare stroke of genius in professional sports,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: and by genius, I mean stupidity. Other big news and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: NFL contract, the Miami Dolphins are giving Devin H Chain
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: the third highest running back pay in the league. Four year,
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  Speaker 2: sixty four million dollar extension thirty two million dollars guaranteed
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  Speaker 2: sixteen million dollar average annual value. If you don't like
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  Speaker 2: to do the math yourself. With bonuses and incentives, he
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  Speaker 2: could push this to sixty eight million dollars, but a
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  Speaker 2: Chain for the Dolphins is now the third highest paid
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: running back in the league, behind only Saquon Barkley and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. He is an absolute, blazing fast individual and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: they have decided The Miami Dolphins have decided to bolster
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: the offensive line in front of him, So we'll see
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: how much it translates to more rushing production from the Dolphins. Overall,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: e Chain though cashing in on a big time extension,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: making him one of the highest paid players in the
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  Speaker 2: league at his position. Also in the football world, you
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  Speaker 2: never like to see this, but it is part and
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  Speaker 2: parcel to the way of things now in the land
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: of college football. Kingston Parks, the brother of Money Parks,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: free star commit, longtime commit to the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 2: has decommitted and has opened up his recruitment again. You
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: get the you get the statement on Instagram, you get
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: the With that being said, and Kingston Parks is reopening
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: his recruitment after being committed to the University of Utah. Uh,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: we thought in a solid consistent manner for kind of
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: a long time, So good luck to him. Class of
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven wide receiver. No immediate effect necessarily on
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: this roster, but you never like to see people decommitting
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: for those of you who wonder if he had a
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  Speaker 2: cool nickname like his brother K one. That's what he
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  Speaker 2: war number one. They called him K one Kingston k
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  Speaker 2: one parks. Not as cool as money parks, but still
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: pretty cool. Sad to see it. Good luck to him,
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  Speaker 2: coming up. This is going to be for a blessed
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: few weeks, a very soccer heavy show. Chris Navalta joined
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  Speaker 2: us when he released his last book. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: new one out and author inspiring stories of soccer greats.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the new children's book from Chris Nevlta
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  Speaker 2: through the Soccer Lens. Next on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one ff, you were
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  Speaker 1: Our Shan O'Connell show. It's your source for the best
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  Speaker 1: of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two to one, alf Am.
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  Speaker 7: Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Christ Navalta, author of several great sports books.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: We had him on when he released Basketball Stars, Stories
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: and Skills from the NBA and WNBA's best Players, and
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: now joining us to talk about the next project, inspiring
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  Speaker 2: stories of soccer greats. Chris Navalta, Chris, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: How are you good?
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  Speaker 5: John, glad to be here.
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  Speaker 3: I have to say that when I was with you
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: last time I signed off, I think I said go Utes.
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  Speaker 3: And my high school teammate in football who attended the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: University of BYU lives here and heard that and didn't
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: So just wanted to give a shout out to my
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: old teammate justin theville.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, this is the Utah station. So
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: you chose the right team to root for as you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: were signing off and go utes. I understand though, why
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: someone who went to BYU might not have loved it
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: quite as much. All Right, So I asked you this
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: last time when we were getting into the basketball book,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: but why why tell these stories? Why decide to take
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: on a big soccer project like this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you mentioned the World Cups coming up, so
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: I thought the timing was perfect, and you know, with
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: the success of Basketball Stars, I thought like, this is
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: a I think we have something going here.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's really important to tell these stories.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Of these superstar players who we see as superheroes on ESPN,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: and similar to Basketball Stars, you know, the stories behind
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: inspiring stories of soccer greats. Wanted to pull a curtain
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: behind some of these athletes and show that, you know,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: before they were Superman or Wonder Woman, these were the
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: struggles that they went through growing up when they were
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: let's just say Clark Kent or Diana Prince. So that's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: almost the same premise, but now we're talking about soccer greats.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned in the preface on the book that the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four World Cup was kind of the beginning
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: of your own soccer interest in fandom, and obviously you know,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: we've got another North American World Cup coming up, which
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: does make the timing on this book release makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: But also you know, it's the premier sporting event really
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: in the world. It's the number one sport spectator sport
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: in the world. It's not the number one spectator sport
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: in the United States, but together with Canada and Mexico,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: we get to host the world's biggest sports party. How
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: much interest does this have for you? Are you going
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: to make sure you get yourself to an Evana? What
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: are your plans?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so, being from the San Francisco area. We
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  Speaker 3: will have some games hosted at Levi Stadium. I'm eyeballing
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: that you're Paraguay versus Australian match, because I think that's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: going to be a tough one.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: But yeah, to your point, Sean, I you know, it
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: just brings out the best in all of us.
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  Speaker 3: I think back in nineteen ninety four when I first
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: started watching soccer and just seeing everybody come together and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: seeing all the camaraderie and really having a lot of
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: pride for your country, you know, regardless where you're from.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: I think it is a one big party, and you know,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes when we go to college games or
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: even in the pros, there's a lot of that, you know,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: bitterness and rivalry sometimes take it too far, but I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: think we we with soccer like it's an opportunity to really,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: you know, show how beautiful this game is and really
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: show how we are as real fans. And so I'm
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: looking forward to it, you know, So it's going to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: be an exciting few weeks.
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  Speaker 2: The first story in the book, if I'm not mistaken,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: is also a World Cup story about the nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine Women's World Cup, which really, I mean women's soccer
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: has grown. There's now a priving professional league and things
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: like that, and you go back to the iconic win
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: and the you know, the celebration, the Brandy Chas Stain
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: and Mia Hamm. These are the icons of women's soccer
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: in the United States and just you know, telling that
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: story must have been a fun little trip down memory lane.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, And it's not a mistake that that's
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: how I start the book with the nineteen ninety nine
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: US women's soccer team. I think because they not only
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: transcended women's soccer, but you can argue and say that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: they also transcended women's sports and how we watch it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, back then, you know, we we were watching
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: women's sports that the way we are now.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: And I go into the book saying how they basically
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: had to market themselves without help from US Soccer, and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: so they put in their own funding for travel and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: marketing and appearances. And then they and then I think,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: to their credit, they helped raise that awareness. And then
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're asking for these matches to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: be played in bigger stadiums, so Giant Stadium, Pasadena, so.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: And sure enough everybody came out and saw what they did.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: And I think there's still it's still a record for
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: a most watched women's soccer match when they played against
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: China in the final. So it was super important to
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  Speaker 3: lead with that because I think, even you know, oh,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: this is a soccer chapter, you could say that they
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: made their footprint on how we watch women's sports in general.
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  Speaker 2: So you go in the book from that kind of
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: iconic I think all of us remember it to you know,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: a much lesser known character, much lesser known story, and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: making that choice. What is that like? Because obviously, you know,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: you can play the hits, so to speak, you can
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: stick with the stuff that everyone knows and has a
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: connection to. But as an author, it's all up to you.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: It's your license to tell the stories that you want
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: to tell. How do you go from you know, a huge, iconic,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: memorable moment that everyone has a connection to, to then
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: you know UK blind soccer player.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and so that's the second chapter with David Clark,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: the highest goal scorer in English football history. But like
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: you just said, people don't know about him because he
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: actually played blind. And yeah, that's a great question because
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: I think a saw stat that said there are one
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty thousand professional soccer players in the world,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: male and female. And so the question is how do
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: I compartmentalize that into twelve chapters in this book? And
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: they all have their own story, right, So I think
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: my aim was to find players with stories that could
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: be relatable to everyday kids.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: So David Clark being blind.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Gigi Buffon, the most decorated goalkeeper in international soccer history,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: had anxiety. Marta, one of the greatest players female players
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: in Brazil, her own family didn't wanted to play soccer
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: because of how women's soccer was perceived in her country.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: And then we have MESSI who was just here playing
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Real Salt Lake.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: He suffered a stunt in his growth.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: And so I think when kids pick up this book,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: I think they may find the story that they can
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: actually relate to, whether it is inequality or social injustice,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: or physical or mental challenge.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: So that was my aim, was that finding stories that
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: were relatable.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Christa Walt is our guest here on the Shott of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Connle Show talking about out his new book coming out,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Inspiring Stories of Soccer Greats. So, basketball soccer, are you
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: are you planning on making a series kind of every
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: You're gonna go systematically through all the sports or at
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: least the ones you have connections to.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: I would love to is a short answer the thought
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: crist in my mind, I think, you know, I unfortunately
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: I missed the boat on the Winter Olympics last just
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: earlier this year. I would love to do something in
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: the Summer Olympics in a couple years, so I have
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: a little bit of time. But yeah, like I, you know,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: I'm a big baseball and American football fan, So that's
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: something that I would like to dive into as well,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: because there are there are plenty of these stories out there,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: just like when I highlighted them in Basketball Stars, And
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think people understand or appreciate just the work
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: they put themselves into to get to where they are.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: You know, it's out there for people to just do
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: a quick Google search, but I don't think they really
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: put that into perspective what they really had to go through.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I would I would love to keep this going.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Do you find when you're you know, you're trying to
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: interview people, when you're doing research, when you're fact finding
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: for these that there's a maybe a different tone or
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: a different level of willingness to participate because these are
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: children's books. I mean when we're talking about some of
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: these athletes, especially in soccer, these are the biggest stars
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: on the entire planet. And you know, even if you
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: know MESSI if if you were like a schoolmate of Messy,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: people are going to be asking you for interviews. They're
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: going to be talking to you, They're going to be
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: wondering what Messy is about. And I imagine people there's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: some fatigue on telling these stories and answering these questions.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: But do you find that because it's a children's book project,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: that you get some decent engagement.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, And because my audience or children,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: I actually find a little bit of joy in that,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: because you know, the way the way I get int
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: my process of writing is I imagine somebody asking me
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: how good was MESSI when he was in his prime?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: How good was how good is Christian Pulisich who's currently
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: on the men's US soccer team. Those types of questions,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: And then I kind of imagine myself kind of sitting
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: by the fire and telling these stories, these old tales
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: of players, but not just their achievements, but just you know,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: everything that they went through. So I don't get tired
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: of it because I think that it helps give a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty degree view of who they are,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: not just as players, as people. And yeah, I'm happy
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: to continue doing that in terms of like talking to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: the athletes. Yeah, sometimes there was a player I'll keep
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: them nameless where I wanted to interview him for the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: Basketball Stars book and he politely declined because I think
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: I just gave him an idea for him to write
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  Speaker 3: his own children's book.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the kind of feedb I've been getting, and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: you know, much respect because it's their story, right, and
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: if they want to do that, that's that's I have
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: no problem with that.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I kind of have a problem with that.
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  Speaker 4: That's not cool.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, don'se still somebody else's idea. Did you with
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: these stories that you put in this most recent book,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: were these all stories that you that you knew off hand?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Or did you learn about a lot of this like
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: on the way?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I learned a lot of this along the way.
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  Speaker 3: One example is I have a chapter about the twenty
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen Leicester City football club who overcame insurmountable odds
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  Speaker 3: to win the Premier League. Like you know, they were
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: on the verge of being relegated to the lower tier
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: league just a season prior, and then they go into
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: the following year at five thousand and one odds to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: win the whole thing, and so to kind of put
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: that into perspective, before the NBA season started this year,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: the Jazz were one thousand to one odds, So Leicester
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: City had five times steeper odds to win and somehow
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: they did it. And so that was actually one of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: my more favorite projects to research because they were literally
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: a team like Jamie Vardi was the leading scorer but
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: there were really no real superstars on that team, and
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: they just all came together and then before you knew
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: it before and when it was too late, like they'd
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: already won the whole thing. So yeah, that was an example.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: But there were a lot of things I found out
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: about these players during these research that helped me grow
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: a much bigger appreciation for them.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Christoph Aalta for another couple of minutes here on the
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show, talking about his new book, Inspiring Stories
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: of Soccer Greats. Where can people find it? Where's this
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: thing going to be available?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they can easily find it on Amazon.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: It debuted at number two among the new releases back
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: in April. But it's also available at local bookstores. So
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: that's always something that I want to preaches, like support
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: your local bookstores and find a copy there.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's all available on Amazon.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: Chris.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you've collected these stories. I like I
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: like the format you put this thing in. I like
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: the way that you kind of you give us the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: you play the hits, but then you give us something
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: that maybe we didn't know much about. Give me an
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: anecdote if you don't mind without spoiling too much in
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: the book. That was maybe the most rewarding part of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: the process of writing this book.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, like each chapter has a fun
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: fact and sometimes it's not even soccer related, with us
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: saying well being too descriptive, like sometimes in his early days,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: Messi's pregame meal was not necessarily the healthiest of foods.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: So this is another example of me highlighting things that
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: kids may be able to relate to. That doesn't necessarily
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: mean you can continue gorging on pizza, hot dogs, burgers
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: for the rest of your athletic career, but it does
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: show that you know these Again, these players are human too,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: so you know that's just one example, and then there
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: are other fun factoids of each of these players, two
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: in each chapter.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I look forward to figuring out what the next
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: project is going to be. And obviously, if you're listening
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: right now and you're looking for a great children's book,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Inspiring Stories of Soccer Greats from Chris Nevalta, you can
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: find it at your local bookstore, you can find it
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: at your big box bookstore, you can find it online.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Inspiring Stories of Soccer Greats is the name of the project.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Chris thanks so much for hopping on again today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having out again, Shan a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to a little inside baseball for
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: people here right now. I am we talked about this yesterday.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to to purchase tickets to the Winter Classic
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: for the Utah Mammoth. All right. It could not be
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: a worse process. Like good on the Smith Entertainment Group
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: for making sure that seat Geek was the ticket market
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: partner for the actual games that you've got right now,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: because this is a ticketmaster thing, uh, and you had
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: to you had to get into que at the exact
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: right time. You had to then pull up the map,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: which is the most inefficient and most ridiculous way to
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: have to do this, And unfortunately, the ticket prices are absorbitant,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: exorbitant and ridiculous. So you're also in a race with
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: all the other thousands of people in the queue that
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: are looking at the map at the exact same time.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: You're trying to get the best tickets available. You're trying
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: to maximize your view, your angle. There is no link
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: that you can click to say, hey, this is the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: view from my seat. And you know east. You want
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: to be on the east side of the stadium. You
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: want to be on the west side of the stadium.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: When's this going to be played? Is this going to
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: be a daytime game or an evening game? I mean,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: it is just it is bad, James. But I think
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: we're good. I think we found enough tickets to accommodate
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: the whole family. I'm going to throw up when I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: have to put in my credit card information because like
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: I said, the prices are outrageous. But here we are
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Winter Classic, Colorado Avalanche versus Utah Mammoth and it's a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: high demand event, as they mentioned it would be.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: So I mean just silver lining here. It's not the
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: it's not the price it would cost for you to
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: take your whole family to a World Cup game, at
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: least just slightly lower.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, a Team USA World Cup game would be
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: more expensive. Ah, a like Bosnia Herzegovina World Cup game
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: would be cheaper than this, which is just the way
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: things are. You know, you got to pay. You got
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: to pay the price to live in paradise, as they
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: like to say.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: We were talking about this though, with like the prices
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: of the World Cup, I am willing to pay more
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: for a big time sports event once in a you know,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: once in a lifetime or once in it once every
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: you know, decade kind of event like the Winter Classic
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: if it's in my backyard, because I'm just paying for
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: the price of the ticket and obviously you got concessions
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: and whatnot once you're at the game. So yeah, that
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: I would I would pay the prices for Winter Classic
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: if that was the price to go to that kind
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: of World Cup game. That's you know, obviously not in
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: the market. I think about it a lot longer.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Crazy, but yeah, this is this is what happens when
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: you make promises to your nephews.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: All right, since how it goes, Yeah, you're we're going,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: oh crap, now, that's how much it costs.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Also, also, no, I don't want ticket insurance. Okay, I'm
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: not swallen for that sixty dollars per ticket on ticket insurance.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Get out of here just to get your money back.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: You have to pay to get your money back.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, great, you can pay to get your money back
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: covered illness or injury if you're required to work and
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: you can't get out of it, if you're involved in
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: a traffic accident, if your tickets are stolen, or if
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: you have a mechanical breakdown or a weather emergency, knock
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: it off.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, So would would the extreme fog hypothetical we threw
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: it on yesterday's show with that qualify as a weather emergency?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Probably not, that's that probably probably doesn't count. But who knows.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: I excuse me, a ticket master, there's there's a thick
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: layer of fog here. I got to the game, Okay,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: I just can't see anything that does that. Does my
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: insurance cover that?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Also, how am I supposed to know which end zone
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: is the attack and which end zone is That's a
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: good point.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: Come on, guys, NHL really needs to I thought all
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: the sports leagues and most of the concerts, most of
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: the big concert venues, I thought they all changed to
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: seat geek. I was surprised to hear you and others
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: that have had a chance to get in the queue
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: here earlier say that it's a ticketmaster thing. That's a
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: seat geek. Seems to be the much better platform right now.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well, if you hear me gagging and throwing up,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: it's because I'm about to push the place order button
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: and that's a that's an expensive date. Ladies and gentlemen, So.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: You got you got your sister and her kids coming
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: to town or.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Is it sister, brother in law? Two boys?
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, So that's and then and then you taken
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: you taking your wife.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: To the game.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: I might be off the hook because I don't know
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: that my wife's gonna want to sit outside on New
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Year's Eve, but my brother is gonna want to go.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: My dad if his grandkids are gonna be there, it's
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: gonna want to go. I think I think my oldest
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: daughter will want to go. And at this ticket price,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: she's the only one how I would give that option
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: because she'll actually remember it.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: So you just pay right now? You did you just
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: did you pay for all that? Or is it just
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: or is it just your your sister?
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm uh, I just purchased eight tickets to yah.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: That's right said.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Eight's the highest, it's the maximum. And my intention, by
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: the way, is not to resell these things. It's to
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: just it's to go. It's go. That's the heavy lift.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: Better win. Let's just say that. Okay, we do the
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: Avs who are probably gonna win the Stanley Cup. You
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: you can't come here and win the Winter Classic, not
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: on our turf.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: All right, well, there we go, Order number three, two
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: dash something. Have a day. Everyone lots left to get to.
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  Speaker 2: fifty two seconds away from going up three to one
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• 1:51:49
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• 1:52:05
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  Speaker 2: this year. They advanced last night, closing out the Minnesota Wild.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: You know, you've got guys on that Utah excuse me,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: on that Colorado Avalanche team that have been chasing this opportunity,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: this moment for their entire career. And even as I
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: spent the last segment talking about hockey tickets and the
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: painful process of buying Winter Classic tickets, man that there
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: is a there's a certain amount of hope, excitement, anticipation,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: but also like sober realization that for a team like
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: the Utah, like the Minnesota Wild, a team like the
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• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: cup in the past, but a different group and guys
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: with big time playoff experien in the past, like the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: Colorado Avalanche that are looking at this and saying, this
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: is our best opportunity potentially to win a Cup. Certain
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: guys on that roster, this could be their only opportunity,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: only realistic opportunity to win a Stanley Cup. And you
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: have to make it work. You have to push forward
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: when you've got the pieces in place, and if you don't,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: the windows snaps shut on you. Well, for the Minnesota Wild,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: I think you know you're going to get your comparisons
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: and other teams in your division in the West pretty frequently.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: For this Utah Mammoth squad, You're not gonna get a
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: lot of comparisons to the Edmonton Oilers who just fired
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: their coach for obvious reasons, because that's a team that
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: is almost solely driven by star level, like superstar level talent,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: best player in the league talent, Right, this is going
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: to be for the Utah Mammoth a little bit more
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: of a collaborative effort. I see some similarities with their
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: roster as they build like Cooley, Gunther, Keller, Schmaltz, whatever.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: I see some.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Similarities to the Minnesota Wild roster and in Minnesota Wild.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: We're playing some really, really good hockey, and what did
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: they run up against? They ran up against the best
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: team in the Stanley Cup playoffs, and almost by no
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: fault of their own, they're gone. They're they're going home.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: They're they're sitting down, they're done. They didn't have the size,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: they didn't have the physicality. Does to sound familiar to you,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Wild, despite monstrous, huge years from a couple
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: of their most important players Matt Boldie gold medalists, right,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: caprizof Hughes, who they they made a big commitment on
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: to obtain, still not quite enough. That's this, that's the
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: sober realization I'm talking about, like it all has to
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: come together. You have to get a little bit lucky.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: And I think the as the bumps and bruises pile
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: up for the Colorado Avalanche, it's lucky, but it's fortuitous
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: for them. It's really good timing for them. Then now
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: they get a couple and Vegas tries to figure some
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: things out and see who advance is there? Colorado? You
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: got guys skating too the dressing room in the middle
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: of in the middle of Stanley Cup playoff time, something serious.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Your best players are taking pucks off the face. The
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: bumps and bruises are the Colorado Avalanche, and I think,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: honestly that's the only thing that can keep them away
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: from hoisting the cup this year. But that's just my
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: inexpert opinion. Let's take one last break. I will give
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: away a round of golf to Mountain Dell with a
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: trivia question. If you were listening to Gordy Chiasa when
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: he was on today, you're going to be in good
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: shape because that's where the tree question answer is going
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  Speaker 2: to come from. Sean O'Connell show, wrapping up next on
• 1:56:05
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  Speaker 1: He's not Sean O'Connell show. You were home of the
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  Speaker 2: A f M. All right before I give you a
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Festival of Teas round of golf at Mountain Dell. A
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: little breaking news update from Heather Dnag and other sources.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: The University of Georgia with another speeding problem. They just
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: got to transfer a safety named jamar Lee Riddle from
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: East Carolina. He played two seasons there. He is he's
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: been arrested for possession or suspicion of possession, and for
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: we're going one hundred miles an hour. It's time Georgia,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: University of Georgia, Georgia alumni, Georgia Boosters, it's time to
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: just give every player on your team an uberlink and
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: let them get rides everywhere they go. This is like
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: the thirteenth player at Georgia who's had a major traffic violation.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: This one he was pulled over and he also had
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: a giant bag of marijuana and some vapes containing THHC.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: So bigger problems there.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: In other news, OC Georgia will never get the leasing
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  Speaker 4: the free least car that anil deal that Utah got
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. That will never happen.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, which, by the way, all schools that have done
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: those things for the entire roster have discontinued them at
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: this point because of the insurance policy problems that come
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: with it. But the University of Georgia, like, I'm not
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: being facetious about that, that's not a joke. The best
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: thing to do is you just get a team Uber account, right,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: you give everybody on your roster the the code or
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: whatever the password and then they can just they can
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: just charge the Uber ride to the team account. It's
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: the right thing to do. Yes, it'll cost probably fifty
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: grand a year for Georgia's football budget. That's nothing, and
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: you won't have any of these stories anymore. Stop it,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: you psychos, one hundred miles an hour while you've got
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: a big old bag of weed in your car. It's
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: just not smart, mister Riddle anyway. All of tea Mountain
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 9: I'm well, just real quick. Mountain Dell that's where we're
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 9: sending our listeners today. What's your favorite hole at Mountain Dell?
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you a funny Mountain Dell story?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, you can.
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  Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with my favorite golf hole
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  Speaker 2: at Mountain Dell. I think I've told this story on
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: air before. So allegedly all of this is alleged. Of course,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: allegedly you cannot fish in the lake at Mountain Dell
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: or the reservoir at Mountain Dell because it is a watershed, right,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: no fishing allowed. Allegedly, A much younger version of somebody
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: you know well was unaware of this and wandered with
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: three friends across the golf course, allegedly right down to
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: the edge of the pond, the edge of the reservoir,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: picturesque beautiful sunsetting moose out there in the middle of
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: the chewing on some reeds, and started casting allegedly into
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: like a little tributary that flows in to the reservoir,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: and every single cast came back with just ravenous cutthroat trout, huge,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: the best fish you could ever find. Now, this person
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: allegedly knew that East Dell Reservoir, which is what they
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: were looking for, was catch and release anyway, so the
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: plan was always to catch and release. And this person
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: continued to catch and release for like an hour every
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: single cast, catching something awesome. And the three people who
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: allegedly accompanied this individual also were catching fish on nearly
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: every cast. It was the greatest fishing that ever happened.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Spence checkets and then sorry. And then a friendly golfer
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: called down from above and said, hey, uh, this is illegue.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Can't fish here. It's like a ten thousand dollars fine,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: this is a watershed. You kids got to get out
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: of here. And allegedly the high tailed that out of there.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: It sounds like it was worth it, quite frankly, honestly.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: It was allegedly the greatest thing ever, so pretty cool.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: I've never actually golfed Mountain.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 9: Deal And if you avoided the fine, I mean all
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 9: you walked away with allegedly is a lifetime of memories.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: And the friendships made along the way. Allegedly, Yeah, there
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: are very.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 9: Few experiences more enjoyable than like an epic fishing day
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 9: where everything is going right. We went to Henry's Lake
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 9: when I was I don't know, thirteen or fourteen. It
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 9: was just me and my dad, my uncle, and one day,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 9: for whatever reason, everything just hit perfectly and it was
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 9: the same thing, like you just throw the line in,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 9: you're gonna catch something. That's a choice experience in life.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 9: If you've never had that before, it's pretty cool. But
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 9: you've never golf Mountain Dell.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: Never golf Mountain Dell.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Okay, Well, so you don't have a favorite hole.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: I don't. Do you have a I have a favorite
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: fishing I have a favorite fishing hole at Mountain Dell.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 9: Well, as you know, there are two sides. Okay, You've
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 9: got canyon and then you've got lakeside. So there's a
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 9: healthy debate. And again I'm not telling you anything.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: You don't know.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 9: There's a healthy debate about which side you'd rather play.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of a canyon guy. I like the first
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 9: hole on canyon. Give me a whole four on the lake.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 9: Side because you have to drive drive it over this route.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 9: Can you give you what what was that four? On
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 9: lake side? Because you have to drive it over this ravine.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 9: So it's a little little challenging. I think overall, I do.
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  Speaker 5: Prefer the canyon side though, but again I'm not telling
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: you anything you don't know.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, obviously, how's the show? It was fine.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: I started the show today gushing about, you know, the
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: announcement that we got, Yeah, there's going to be this
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: world class sports performance facility built adjacent to the Utah
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: Mammoth and the Utah Jazz practice facilities, and just the
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: level of investment that is being put. Like, the experiment
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: might not work, maybe we never get a championship from
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: an SEG team, maybe it doesn't happen with or it
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen for the Utah Jazz. But the fact that
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: this much effort is being put into changing the perception
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: of being a professional athlete and I think most sincerely
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: a professional basketball player in the state of Utah. That's
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: a heavy lift. And I applaud that the Jazz and
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: their ownership are trying to do it and to some success. Right,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got a top flight draft pick that,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: even though he's a very unique situation, is expressire to
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: stay in Utah, and that's just something that never would
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: have happened five years ago, ten years ago, twenty years ago.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: So it's a weird and exciting time that may or
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: may not end in a championship for either of these franchises.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: But I applaud the efforts Bence for sure.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Ryan's been really intentional since the day
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 9: he took over to change the narrative and the perception
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 9: that NBA players have of our market.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: And you know, even if you look out what he
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 5: did for.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 9: Donovan, for Donovan Mitchell to try to get Donovan to
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 9: kind of change his stance about whether or not he
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 9: wanted to stay here now it didn't work, but Ryan
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 9: tried Okay number one, he brought Dwayne Wade on Okay
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 9: and a lot of people behind the scenes, because Donovan
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 9: has always been very vocal, like d Wade was his
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 9: hero and he plays a lot like him. He wanted
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 9: to model his game after Dwayne Wade. Bringing Dwayne Wade
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 9: on the ownership group that was not on accident. Okay,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 9: that was like a little bit of a love letter
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 9: to Donovan, even things that you started to notice in
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 9: the building, Like back in the day, you go to
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 9: a jazz game. At the end of the game, the
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 9: song they played was I Like It, I Love It,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 9: some country music jam that no NBA player has ever
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 9: listened to their entire life, and they started to change
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 9: the music, and the word was like Donovan would ask
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 9: them to play certain songs, hip hop songs pregame because
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 9: he liked warming up to them, and it changes around
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 9: the building. Like he has been pretty intentional from the
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 9: day he took over. And then the way he started
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 9: talking about race relations when that was kind of like
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 9: fever pitch in our country, and he pushedback from that
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 9: by a lot of.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 5: People locally that don't necessarily agree with certain stances.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 9: But I always viewed everything he was doing with the
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 9: goal in mind of like, we have to change the
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 9: way NBA players view saw Lake City. If we ever
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 9: want anybody to stay here, they can't have these preconceived
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 9: notions about who we are.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: We need to start catering to what they need.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 9: And to your point, best laid plans aside, they're all
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 9: there's always going to be a certain type of existence
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 9: here that might not be conducive for a twenty five
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 9: year old African American millionaire.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 5: We just have to be on about some of those things.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 9: But for the first time, Sean, in the history of
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 9: the Utah Jazz, in the history of this organization fifty years, Okay,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 9: this is starting to crystallize and come together in a
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 9: way where you can see something pretty exciting down the
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 9: line if certain things fall into place. First of all,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 9: they've never had lottery luck the way they just had it,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 9: So that's step number one. But the dynamic here that
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 9: makes this really unique and interesting and fascinating to follow
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 9: is two of the top three prospects in the NBA
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 9: Draft have ties here.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: That's never happened before.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 9: I mean, Monson and I used to joke on the
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 9: Old Show, like when Lebron was in Cleveland, you know,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 9: because Lebron born in Cleveland, that the only way for
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 9: Salt Lake City to ever win an NBA championship was
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 9: is to have like some random awesome basketball player born
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 9: here and want to want to come back and do
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 9: what Lebron did for Cleveland. We used to tell Britain
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 9: Britten Johnson, he and his wife get to work. Okay,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 9: we need a start having paybies that are awesome players
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 9: they want to play here. But what we've seen is
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 9: this random confluence of events that landed Ajdubonsa here to
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 9: play his last year of high school ball and of
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 9: course a year of college ball. And he is on
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 9: record saying he wants to play for the Utah Jazz.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 9: Now things change, okay, and definitely in this league. So
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 9: you know, who's to say that in because whoever the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 9: Jazz draft, they will have that player here for seven
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 9: full years.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: That's how the rookie scale works.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 9: And who's to say that preferences don't you know, wouldn't
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 9: change because what you want at nineteen you want something
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 9: different maybe at twenty four to twenty five. I mean,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 9: how even Lebron left Cleveland. And I've always believed people
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 9: overthought that. Okay, I'm quite sure for a kid that
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 9: was born in Akron, that didn't go to college and
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 9: played high school ball in Cleveland and then was drafted
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 9: by the Calves, I'm sure the first time he landed
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 9: in South Beach he was like, wait, what people live
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 9: like this?
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: Like everyone's like, oh, he wants to play with Duyne.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 9: No he doesn't. He's lived in Cleveland his whole life.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 9: He just experienced an entirely different world. So who's to
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 9: say that AJ or Cameron Boozer, whoever it is. You know,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 9: they're saying the right things. Now, things could change. I'm
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 9: not saying that it's a guarantee that AJ's here for
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 9: twelve thirteen years or Cameron or whatever.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: But the storylines are starting to change.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 9: And you do have to give Ryan and his group
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 9: credit for putting things in place to motivate players to
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 9: look at this place maybe differently than they ever have.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 5: It's very exciting.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: The Cante George quote of they give us the best
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: player experience in the league. That's what you have to
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: be going for as any team, even if you are
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: in Miami, even if you are in Boston or New York,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: you have to be aiming for that. Especially here in
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. You want your players bragging about their
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: work conditions. Because I made the point of earlier, it's
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: when it's it's time to play basketball on national television,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: when you're in a sold out arena. That's the easy part.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: That's the part that everyone can get up for. It's
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: the making sure that you want to show up to
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: shoot around, and you want to do the injury rehab,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: and you want to play hard in game fifty five
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: of eighty two, And that's what Having exemplary facilities, good
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: sports nutritionists, a performance center right next to your practice,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: all those things are going to matter for this Utah
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: Jazz organization. So I applaud the ownership's efforts in putting
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: it all in place. And now you know, if they
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: don't win it, it won't be for lack of trying,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: which is good enough for.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 5: Me, right, And you can only control your controllables.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 9: Not to use the biggest cliche out there, but you know,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 9: the things that you try to sell about our market,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 9: we have to be real about it aren't going to
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 9: resonate with a lot of young professional athletes, like great place.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 5: To raise a family. Okay, well a lot of these
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 5: guys know give a rip about that.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 9: Some do, but look, we couldn't even keep the white
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 9: guy that had kids and wanted to play video games
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 9: after you got home from from games, Hayward left. You know,
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 9: so you have to it's not likely, right, It's not
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 9: like only a certain type of folk are taken off.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, So yeah, you know you're not gonna be able.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 9: To sell a thriving underground hip hop scene in Salt Lake. Okay,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 9: you're not going to be able to sell thriving nightlife
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 9: like they have in other cities. That will never be
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 9: our deal. And anyone who says like, well, if you've
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 9: been to Gracias, I'm like, dude, shut up, Okay, like it.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 9: It doesn't compare uh to New York, Miami, Chicago, La Nile.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 5: It just never will.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 9: So if you're Ryan, what can I control? We're gonna
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 9: give these guys the best experience possible. I'm gonna go
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 9: out and find the best trainers, the best nutritionists. They
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 9: all have chefs that can show up and eat really
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 9: good food and be taken care of. And those are
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  Speaker 9: really the only things you can control, because otherwise, uh,
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  Speaker 9: if you stack our market up against other cities based
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  Speaker 9: off of what a lot of young millionaires actually want
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  Speaker 9: that are playing pro sports, will never be able to
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  Speaker 9: sell Salt Lake if you compare it in that way.
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  Speaker 9: So all you can do is do what Ryan in
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  Speaker 9: his group is doing, trying to give these guys the
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  Speaker 9: best experience possible when they're at work.
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  Speaker 2: I also was thanking Ryan Smith a while back for
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  Speaker 2: bringing the Winter Class tick here, and my stance changed
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  Speaker 2: on that now that I had to buy the Winter
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  Speaker 2: Classic tickets so I could take my nephew. Yikes, that
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  Speaker 2: was brutal.
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  Speaker 5: Well do you care for shock?
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  Speaker 4: Do you care sharing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I bought the best tickets available and they were
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  Speaker 2: on Row forty six and still the most expensive sports
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  Speaker 2: tickets I've ever bought in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 9: Well, and the secondary market, it's not gonna help it is.
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  Speaker 9: I've only been to one is in Boston. It's quite
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  Speaker 9: an experience. But yeah, you know the other thing that's
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  Speaker 9: starting to happen in our market, and it's just inevitable.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm going to talk a little bit about this
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  Speaker 9: today based off a piece in The Athletic The Delta
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  Speaker 9: Center is being renovated. Okay, the Huntsman Center is going
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  Speaker 9: to be renovated. I am quite sure that at some
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  Speaker 9: point we are going to hear a pretty aggressive plan
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  Speaker 9: for Rice ECLS. I don't know what it looks like
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  Speaker 9: because the land around Rice Eycls is basically the campus.
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  Speaker 9: There's just not a ton I mean, if you get
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  Speaker 9: creative to knock some things down or whatever, but the
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  Speaker 9: fact of the matter is, as a result of all
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  Speaker 9: of this, the consumer experience is going to continue to
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  Speaker 9: be more and more expensive, and you got to be careful.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to price out all your fans.
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  Speaker 5: It's a delicate dance.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive. Thanks for listening to the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show. I will do it again tomorrow. I'll
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  Speaker 2: be back in Salt Lake City and I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to that. ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWOEFM