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Jordan Walker Wins HR Derby, Lars Nootbaar needs to stay? Deadline Approach, All-Star Game review · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hello Baseball fans, Cardinals fans, all alike. I'm Kyle Gibson.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Lance Lynn is with me today. If you are new
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: to the Cardinal Territory podcast, then today is going to
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: be just like Monday. If you're not new, then you're
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: wondering where Jim is. We are not wondering where Jim is.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: He took an All Star break.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't.
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  Speaker 1: So we are here today wrapping up the MLB All
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Star Break with a little bit of talk. Before we
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: get going, and before Lance comes in and adds his
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  Speaker 1: we are Thursday, after the All Star Game, after the
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  Speaker 1: home run derby Jordan Walker's a home run derby Champ.
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  Speaker 1: I think in general, All Star Break was pretty smooth.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I really wasn't sure what was going on
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the All Star Game with all
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  Speaker 1: of the production at times. But of that production, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think? What was your favorite part. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to the home run derby in a second, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: interested to hear what you thought if you saw some
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  Speaker 1: of that extra production that they did in Philly surrounding
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  Speaker 1: July fourth and the two to fifty universary of the
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  Speaker 1: of the Country.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think, you know, I think they did a
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  Speaker 3: good job. I think anytime, All Star Week's always a
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  Speaker 3: fun week. You know, we got a chance to play
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  Speaker 3: in one. The show that you're trying to put on
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  Speaker 3: for the fans and everything that you're trying to accomplish
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  Speaker 3: is a bit hectic, but you know, MLB is doing
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  Speaker 3: their their job to make sure that they do. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they give the fans what they want and then they
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  Speaker 3: also push, you know, what they want to want or
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  Speaker 3: what they want to push during the All Star weeks too,
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's part of the part of the gig, and you
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  Speaker 3: try to enjoy it. I think all in all it
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  Speaker 3: was you know, there was a little maybe too many
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  Speaker 3: strikeouts in the game, but as a picture you like
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  Speaker 3: to see pictures dominate.
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  Speaker 2: But all in all, I think it was a good week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think my kids and I were sitting down
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  Speaker 1: and we're watching the kind of production piece late in
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  Speaker 1: the game when everybody rode their bikes out on the field,
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: right and at the beginning, I'm like, what is going
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  Speaker 1: on here?
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  Speaker 2: What do we do it? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: And then one of my I think it was Mills,
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  Speaker 1: he goes, oh, it's kind of like the sandlot hunh
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  Speaker 1: and all the fireworks and run your I was like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you nailed that was awesome, really cool. I can only
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: imagine a feeling of one of those kids riding your
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  Speaker 1: bike out on onto citizens bag, which never gets done,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, and nobody ever gets to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they understood the cool factor of what they
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  Speaker 1: were going to do. And then they get a stop
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  Speaker 1: off at position and have a three or four minute
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  Speaker 1: check with an MLB All Star getting autographed, take some selfies.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that part was really awesome. Consistent fireworks for
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: two or three straight minutes. Just I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: a pretty pretty cool touch on top of everything to
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  Speaker 1: the home run derby, well, to your strikeouts for sure,
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  Speaker 1: pictures dominated, But I think you're gonna end up with
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of that when everybody's trying to be
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  Speaker 1: the All Star Game MVP and hit that homer right
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  Speaker 1: you got and who ended up winning the MVP the
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  Speaker 1: guy that hit two runs single in the first hit
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  Speaker 1: you know. But but they build an ending off Sanchez,
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  Speaker 1: which really hasn't happened all year, and he ends up
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  Speaker 1: getting the MVP, Cody Volager. But Jordan Walker. I wish
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  Speaker 1: Jim was here today. Jim didn't want Jordan to do this.
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  Speaker 1: He was all against it. Jordan Walker goes out there
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  Speaker 1: and puts on his show all the all the home
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  Speaker 1: run derby people did. Side note seventy seven home runs
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  Speaker 1: for me, fifty four for you. Also to the side note,
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: I have to apologize to Murakami. I called him a
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  Speaker 1: right handed hitter and he's a lefty. You had four
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  Speaker 1: lefties on your squad. I messed up, just a last
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  Speaker 1: knowledge on my part, so I apologize for that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he's a rookie. You don't knowing he was in
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: the league when you were in the league.
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  Speaker 1: What'd you think of that format? And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how much you gotta watch, but what'd you think of
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  Speaker 1: that new format with swings and not no longer time.
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  Speaker 3: I like to swing format, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 3: because I think you need to be more precise instead
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  Speaker 3: of just ripping off as many swings and a time
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  Speaker 3: that you have. So I think, all in all, for
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  Speaker 3: the health of the player, for the you know, if
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  Speaker 3: you have a purpose for each swing. I like that
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  Speaker 3: where they can be more precise on their swings and
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  Speaker 3: they don't get tired and don't risk the injury. So
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  Speaker 3: all in all, I think I like the new format
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  Speaker 3: better than anything else. So and then they put on
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  Speaker 3: a show too, so it worked out well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, our friend Wilson Contreras was not worried about
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  Speaker 1: a sore back. That guy was taking a little manma
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  Speaker 1: hacks all night long. I think you have four over
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  Speaker 1: four to seventy five, and the only guy that hit
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  Speaker 1: it farther was Junior Cameron Arow for ninety one. But Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: I think that format, like you said, plays into some
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  Speaker 1: of the show at all, and plays into the majestic
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  Speaker 1: of watching the ball fly and seeing these guys hit
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  Speaker 1: into the upper deck in the bank. Wilson and Cameron Arow,
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  Speaker 1: they let it fly for as many swings as they have,
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  Speaker 1: whereas I think Schwarber and Walker, those guys, you could
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  Speaker 1: see them kind of putting a swing to hit four
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  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty instead of that longer distance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you're looking at two guys that I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think in the in the games that Wilson and
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  Speaker 3: they play in real life too, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of see that they just put a little extra
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  Speaker 2: juice on it. So uh yeah, you're looking at the
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  Speaker 2: Walker and Schwarps.
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  Speaker 3: They're having they're more hey, I'm here to you know,
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  Speaker 3: not kill myself, where the other two are hating a
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  Speaker 3: long drive contest instead of trying to hit fairways.
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  Speaker 2: So uh but I mean that's the beauty of it.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have different ways to go about it, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, some guys are trying to you know, screw
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  Speaker 3: themselves in the ground by swinging as hard as you
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  Speaker 3: can and you spinding on it. So but that's the
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  Speaker 3: that's the fun of it. Hey man, Let's see how
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  Speaker 3: hard I can swing off far I can hit it.
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  Speaker 3: If that's what you're there to do, then that's what
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  Speaker 3: you're there to do. I think Schwarbur's trying to get
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  Speaker 3: as many hormones as he could and his swings. That's
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  Speaker 3: a different just a totally different ballgame.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: Riley O'Brien throws up zero. Jordan Walker obviously showed out
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  Speaker 1: in the home run derby of I heard didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a hit, But I'm not sure if Avon thinks of
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  Speaker 1: it this way or many players do. But I thought,
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  Speaker 1: for me and my All Star game, coming in after
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  Speaker 1: show Hey and you, was pretty cool kind of being
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  Speaker 1: that third guy. Avon Shorter starts as the d H.
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  Speaker 1: Harper hits for him, and he pinched hits for Harper
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  Speaker 1: late in the game. Pretty cool to be in that
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  Speaker 1: trio of players. But didn't get a hit. But obviously
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: was there all three of those guys represented Saint Louis
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  Speaker 1: well in your two All Star games? Was that something
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  Speaker 1: you were thinking about the team, Think about your family.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, but what is there any
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  Speaker 1: thought process behind there, like, man, I really want to
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  Speaker 1: play a little bit here for the name on the
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  Speaker 1: front and do what I came for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you just want to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: you well, the the main thing is you want to
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  Speaker 3: make sure.
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  Speaker 2: That you fit right.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, hey, I belong here, so I need to
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  Speaker 3: go out there and get a hit or you know,
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  Speaker 3: you want to go put up a zero when you're pitching,
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  Speaker 3: so that that that goes along with it. And then
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  Speaker 3: you know, for those guys when you come up, I
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  Speaker 3: think when I like when when I was young, my
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: first one with the Cardinals, I didn't really understand it,
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  Speaker 3: and then when I went to the one in twenty one,
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  Speaker 3: you kind of understood it a little bit more. So
• 8:25
  Speaker 3: those guys are are young, and they're in they're in
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  Speaker 3: their time in the big league, so I think older,
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: when they older, they get they'll understand what they did.
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  Speaker 3: They represent the team and stuff like that. And all
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: those guys are are representing the team great they do
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  Speaker 3: on and off the field. As we know, we know
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  Speaker 3: all of them as teammates. You know they're good dudes too,
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, you try to think of as both ways.
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  Speaker 3: And then you also as a player, you're like, man,
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  Speaker 3: I got to show everybody that I belong here, so
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  Speaker 3: I need to get a hit, so kind of or
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: like I said, get your outs when you go out there.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a it's definitely a little little crazy feeling
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  Speaker 3: when you're when you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: It all right.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: So the All Star Game has passed, there's still a
• 9:05
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  Speaker 1: on the hook every now and then. But one thing
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  Speaker 1: that even though the All Stars passed, my family, we're
• 9:18
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• 10:33
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• 11:23
  Speaker 1: the All Star Game, you mentioned pitching dominated it. I
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: kind of look back at some of the other scores.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Normally the scores the total runs were in between six
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: to eight, six to nine runs, so a few less.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: It looked like it was going to be, you know,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit higher run total with that first inning,
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: but all the pitchers kind of you know, settled in.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: You think that's good for the All Star Game. I
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: don't mind it. Like you said, we're pictures, but I
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: don't want people to panic and freak out because there
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: were a bunch of strikeouts and it was a low
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: scoring game either.
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: I think it comes in ways.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're going to have All Star games that
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: are going to go like this, and you have All
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: Star games where you like, you look up and it's
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  Speaker 3: eight to six or something like that. So I think
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: all in all, you see a lot of our pitchings
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  Speaker 3: that are probably the best it's ever been in the
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  Speaker 3: in the league league wide, with how much nasty guys
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: stuff has as you saw in the game. So I
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, I mean, you got your best
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: pitchers out there. They usually are gonna, you know, have
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  Speaker 3: more success than hitters that are, hey, i'm gonna get
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: one at bat. I'm just gonna try to let it fly.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: I hit a home run, like you said, So I
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  Speaker 3: think it's part of it. They're trying to take the
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: guy deep and then there guys trying to strike him out.
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  Speaker 3: So usually when you're trying to hit home runs, you're
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: gonna strike out more times than.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get a hit.
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: I've noticed in in my life and watching guys that
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: try to hit home runs. Every swing they take, they
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: tend to strike out more. So I think that's just
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: what you're seeing. And fans want home runs. They want
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: home runs, and they want big swings, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's just part of the game.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of it, I think we have a
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: lot of what seemed to be a lot of first
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: year All Stars on the pitching side, and the hitting side,
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  Speaker 1: which tends to lead a little bit to less familiarity,
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  Speaker 1: leans to the picture side, gives them a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of an advantage there. Last question on the All Star Game.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where you stand on this, but
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: when it comes to fan voting, do you think the
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: voting process for the All Star Game should be switched
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit or do you think it's fine
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  Speaker 1: how it is and this is purely a fans game
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  Speaker 1: and that's how we're going to leave it.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: It's always tough because here's the it's a fans game
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: and they should have a vote of some sort. But
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: people don't realize how much these All Star nods and
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: stuff can hurt or help a player, and arbitration cations
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, So you're putting a lot of
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: things in the hands of fans that could cost the
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: guys money and or or make them more money, to
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: be honest, So it's a weird, weird thing. I think
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  Speaker 3: there definitely should be a fan vote, but I think
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  Speaker 3: there also should be some feel with how how they
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: vote and what they vote on, so you know certain
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: you know guys don't get left off a roster that
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: you know fully deserve it over just a bigger market
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: player just because they had a lot more fans that voted.
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  Speaker 3: So there definitely could be some adjustment just to make
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: sure that there's guys that don't get left out in
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: small markets in pre RM and stuff like that, because
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: you know that's a that's a good way for them
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: to get noticed nationally for at the Allstar Game. But
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: also you know they're going to need those things, especially
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: if they deserve it to be on All Star when
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: they go into their.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Their cases and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: So you always will wonder, right, I remember I got
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: left off the team one year and there's, hey, you
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: don't want to get you don't want to go to
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: arbitration with a two time All Star, is what I
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: was told while I was left off a team. So
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: it's like Hey, well that sucks, you know, but so
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: that's the things you can kind of worry about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I really enjoy and I think the
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: the good part of the fan voting is for the starters.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I think if you give them I was just talking
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: actually with my kids about this because because Hayden or
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: somebody asked me about, you know, who picks the All Stars,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: And I think it'd be really interesting to see what
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: the fans thought if you gave them all Right, guys,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: here is your nine AL outfielders, here is your eight
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: AL in fielders, and so on.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: The pitchers are kind of interesting because they're just for
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: the most part, you know league and and you know,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: coaches and players appointed. But I think it'd be interesting
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: to see if you did that type of a runoff.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So then your All Stars were known, and then the
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: fans got to pick who started. Because I think there's
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: a lot on the line. And Vladimir or Junior is
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: a great player, right. Uh, he didn't end up going
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: to the game. He struggled this year, but he's got
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: the whole country of Canada voting for him to be
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: an ulcer. So I understand there's a little bit of
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: give and take. He has deserved all the recognition in
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: the world by all means. But I think it'd be
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: interesting to see if the fans were more so in
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: vote in charge of only voting for the starters instead
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: of the starters and those who made the game.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say no, So that'd be interesting way
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: to do it. So it's like you make sure the
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: guys get in by their numbers, and then the fans
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: vote on who starts the game and in what in
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: what position.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, we're gonna take quick break. We'll be right
• 16:39
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Cardinal Territory. I'm Kyle Gibson.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: He's Lance Lynn. We got a little bit of Cardinal
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: talk here to finish up the show for today. Lance,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Here's what the next thirteen games look like for the Cardinals.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Three against Arizona, three against the Angels, three against Cincinnati.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: All right, I think we like to see those nine games.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Definitely go to carlinals Way, it's gonna be huge. Four
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: against the Cubs right at right after that, that leads
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: up to the All Star to the trade deadline.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: My question for you is how many of those thirteen
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: games do the Cardinals need to win to force the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: hand of the front office to keep them from trading
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: we'll say three or four or more players.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I would say ten.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: They gonna win ten out of thirteen. I want to
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: say nine, but it's gotta be. It's gotta be ten.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: You gotta it's gotta be like a a number where
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, there there, we can't we can't break
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it up. You know what I'm saying. I don't know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: but that's my my. If they go five hundred dish
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: during that that stretch, I think that they they stayed
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: the course of what they've been planning to do all season,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: all off season when they built this team.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So for for reference here they go ten and three,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and we'll just say they go ten and two and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: two against the Cubs, because obviously if they go three
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to one against the Cubs that makes a big difference
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in the wildcart. But we'll just say they go ten
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: and three. That puts them at sixty and forty eight.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: They would be one of I don't know at that point,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: one of five maybe six teams in the NL with
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: sixty wins, and it would be it'd be a big deal,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: right three, and I would squarely put them I don't
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: think ten and three catches the Phillies and I don't think.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I think ten and three catches the Cubs per se,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: but they'll pass the Marlins at that point and pretty
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: squarely in that third wild Cart and I kind of agree.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I think ten and three forces the hand. I think
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: nine and four, eight and five the front office, they're
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: probably not. I don't think they catch the Marlins at
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that unless the Marlins, you know, really struggle here in
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a second have to start, which if I remember, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: we talked about the schedule, the Marlins have a tough
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: schedule coming up, including the Phillies and including maybe Milwaukee.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: So okay, maybe maybe that is definitely a possibility. But
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I think that I can probably right. I think there's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: probably two to three players going regardless. Would you agree
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: with that?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So here's yeah, And if you like the way that
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: you said the teams, you think about this, they're going
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: to be third in their division at the deadline pretty much.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: There'll be six ish on the on the win total
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: in the National League, So you're like last one in.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: You have to kind of make sure you do what
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: you need to do if it fits right. You're not
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: just selling them to get a high a prospect. You're
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: you're selling them to get a Okay, I need to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: get the things that I need to be relevant now
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: but definitely relevant next year. So you know, I don't
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not for it just adding three prospects just because
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: you can. So that's gonna be the hard part for
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: for him, and he's got, you know, decisions he's gonna
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: have to make. But anybody that's on expiring contract I
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: think is going to get dealt. That's what That's what
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I think is going to happen. And I think you're
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: and I think that's what three guys for sure? We
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: got three?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Would you say, may Stanek and Jojo are the three
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that are un expiring? Yeah? Sorry, yeah, yeah, what's is
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: in one year to do? You read's? Right?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean he's he's on the IL right now.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You have a couple more. But I mean, I think
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: my question would be is I think this looks like
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit kind of how they approach the Aeronado
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: trade situation where they were going to trade anybody else
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: until they traded Aeronado going into twenty twenty four or
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: excuse me, twenty twenty five, So they kind of had decided, Okay,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: if we can't trade him, we're holding I My fear
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is that Newt bar is going to be a guy
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that is very sought after, and I think he probably
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: gets you the best return for pieces for the future.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Especially if you go like Newt and Jojo. I think
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that gets you a really good return that's going to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: help you.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Do you can you go what you what do you
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: go after in that return? What what do you have
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: to get in that return to trade him? Do trade Newt?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm biased to this. I'm going for pitching always.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: You have to get the guys see as a top
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: three starter, like a literally a Warner or two in
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the future.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think I did. Yeah, but that guy's in
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: high A or double it. Nobody's going to give you
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that guy that's in triple A right now unless they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: just pitching. They can't hold on to it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So I always, you got to get one.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I don't need. I don't need four guys in high eight.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I need a top five prospect from a team.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I want to be on the side of a trade
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that includes a position player and a pitcher. I want
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to be on the side that's getting the picture. That's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: just personally, I mean That's just kind of how I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: look at it, so maybe a little biased, but I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think though that new is the domino that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Would have right and center fielder. Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Sure, But I think my problem I have a new
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: right now is that I think Newt is the domino
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that throws off the rest of the year. If you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: trade two or three guys and one of them is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: large new Bar, I don't think the rest of the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: year goes well. If you trade two or three guys
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and Lars new Bar is still on your team, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: think you still have a pretty good chance just from
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: leadership and personality standpoint. And I also think if you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: really are set on trading Newt, then I think the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: offseason is as good of a time to do that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: as any time, because now you have twenty nine teams
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: who still think they're in it. Newt is gonna fit
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: on how many of these playoff thirteen teams that are
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: going to be trading for teams training for players. You know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: he's gonna fit in just a couple of them, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I think you're limiting yourself. Lars becomes a much probably
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a more valuable piece in December, you know, or whenever
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: they figure out the CBA right, So I would hold
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Newt and I don't ever like to say relievers are expendable,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: because they're really not. Ryan Stank's been really good, by
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the way Ryan Stanek is. He's gonna be spought after,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: hard throwing, righty, nasty stuff, and over his last thirty games,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: he's got three and he's sold.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Them all really well. He's a no doubt yet.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a no doubtor in my opinion, to trade
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: and be And I say this in the nicest way possible.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: He's gone, he's older, this and that, but he is
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: the younger guys in the minor leagues. You got to
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: see what a couple of those guys can do at
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the big bigue level in the second half to make
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: sure that you know what you have for next year too.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: So they're in a weird spot. Some of these bullpen
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: arms can go. So you can bring up maybe a
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: triple A starter and let them throw multiple innings out
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of the bullpen to get their feet wet. And you're
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: going to need some extra starts down the stretch too
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: because of just innings that are going to pile up
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: on all these guys. So I think that there's you know,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: like you said, they're not you know, you're not replaceable,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: but they are in a sense of you have young
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: arms that you need to see what they can do.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And that's what you saw Swanson come up and do
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: that last year out of the bullpen after Helsley left.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: So you don't know what you got until you give
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: them a chance. And if you're not going to go
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: all the way in, you might as well give those
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: guys a chance next year so you don't have to
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: spend money on pieces next offseason. Into the Lars comment
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent agree with you, Lars Is and people.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people know this, but we do.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Lars is the dude in the clubhouse. He's awesome. Everybody
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: loves him. He he keeps the team together, he keeps
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: him going, he's funny, he does a lot of positives
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: in that clubhouse.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm for.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna be good next year, you need large
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: new bar on your team. So I'm for extending large
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: new bar and making large new large the guy to
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: help take this team into the end of what you're
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: going because I think that that's who he is as
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: a group. Any complete all three Offield positions, and he
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: is your leader. So he's gonna be free agent after
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: next year, like give they you know what his arbitration
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: number is probably gonna be next year in the ballpark,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and then you know what you need to give him
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: in free agency, and you know, whatever that number is,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: it's going to be right around twenty ish and see
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: if he takes it. And that's where we're at. I
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: think he's a guy that has to stay.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's an interesting case for both ar and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: free agency because of his unfortunate injury history, and I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: think if he loves Saint Louis, which I think all
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: science point to him enjoying it here, I think you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: have a real chance to sign a player who has
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: had some injury history, but when on the field has
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: been very good for you. I think you're right, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: extension makes a whole lot of sense, and I think
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a situation where the team and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the player are gonna be pretty excited about it him.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: My last question for you has to do a little
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: bit with the trade here, and I feel a little
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: bit like Jim Hayes as I asked this question. So
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I hope that you understand that I Am not trying
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to ask a question like Jim Hayes, But do you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: think there is a chance that a player outside of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: those five Stanley O'Brien, Jojo May, and Newt do you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: think there's a high possibility that a player comes out
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: in the dark the woodwork here and him sees a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: chance to maybe get a little bit better deal by
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: trading one of those other players that it's going to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: probably catch Cardinals fans by surprise.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of I wouldn't be surprised.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you some names here, and I don't.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Once again, we know these guys, so I I hate
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: even bringing this up, all right, but you got guys
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like Herrera, Burly. I think Polante is going to be
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: asked about. I think libertoor is going to be asked about.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's gonna be asked about. You know, maybe
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: except for Walker because everybody knows his price on me
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: too high. But those are kind of those guys that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I look at and be like, what, I.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Don't think the.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Off Yeah, I don't think Herrera goes anywhere. I don't Polante.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: When you said his name, I was like, that's a
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: that's a that one could happen.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I think. I don't know why.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I think that, Well, he's got what one more year?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Arm is he in that situation too? So him and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Newt are in the same ballpark of where they're getting at.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: So they're at their highest value, you because of the
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the year and a half of control or whatever. So yeah,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I think that there is there could definitely be somebody
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: that's traded that people are not calling for to be traded. Yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: And I got a couple other thoughts too that they
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: could do, but you know that's for another day.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can go another day. I'm checking here on
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: polone because I think that is Let's see, he started
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the year, now he's got a couple more years of control.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: He started the year was super two where it was
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Easton per two.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: But he was a Super two, so he's gonna have
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: four and at the end of the year, so he'll
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: have two more years of control.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I still wet.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: With the new CBA kicks in and let's say the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: service time to free agency goes from six to five,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: what happens to all these guys.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I think some of it's gonna have to be Grand
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Paul been It'll be interesting to see how they approach that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: This is all the stuff that you know, fans and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: media don't necessarily need an in or look at, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it happens, right, They're going to get an inner look
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: at this and think that this is a great deal
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: for players, are a great deal for the owners. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: there's so much inner workings all of this, and this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is why it's gonna take a lot of time if
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: big things like that happen. But yeah, i'd be.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: That changed.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Andre Ponte. A free agency goes from six to five
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and now he's got one more year control.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Big deal be interesting.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And you know only the CBA talks coming up in
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: in November. I think we're gonna have some fun with
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that unless something crazy happened the next few weeks. But
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Lance appreciate your brother. Uh next week, you guys are
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: gonna to see Jim again, So tune in if you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: want to see Jim. Uh No, sorry, but he's gonna
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: be back. But hey, h'all watch him if you watched it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: This is a big cardlo territory. You'll have a good
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: weekend and let's go cards